Covid: Buses in England to return to pre-pandemic levels as lockdown eases, says industry group
08/04/2021 | news | uk | 378
Companies are expecting more people to travel as the lockdown eases further on Monday.
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08/04/2021 15:01:23 2 5
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Back of the net! Get in there! You beauty!
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08/04/2021 15:05:01 22 7
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Quite right too. We are not going to get the economy back on track with half measures.
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08/04/2021 15:33:06 11 41
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Can we get planes back to pre-pandemic levels too please. The sooner the better!!
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08/04/2021 15:42:37 3 3
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Why, with the rise in WFH the buses will be half empty, surely that means it will be a bit of a waste of resources and unnecessary CO2 emissions.
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08/04/2021 15:06:29 55 5
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Pity the many rural routes that have been closed over the years will not be reopening.
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08/04/2021 16:37:03 1 16
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Busses have been shopping covid around London for the past year!

About time they were REDUCED, not increased!
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08/04/2021 15:08:14 7 4
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Shame the fares are not returning to acceptable levels , used to be 10p in 1983 for under 16 how inflation has soared.
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08/04/2021 16:29:18 2 0
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1983? Since then, the costs of everything have increased hugely!

Of course, privatisation didn't help, but that provides competition and thus better and cheaper services and products as we were all assured.

Pity the opposite proved to be the case.
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08/04/2021 15:08:21 11 7
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A bus is something I catch only if I really have to, I deliberately bought a house near a train station for that reason.

Perhaps they can do something to make them a more attractive form of public transport rather than some form of medieval torture.
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Rob
08/04/2021 15:11:41 19 1
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I have lived on a bus route for 15 years, they are every 15 min from 7-7, I have used them once. For 2 of us to go to town 3 miles away it was cheaper to get a taxi. They used to be cheap but now are way more expensive than driving.
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08/04/2021 15:08:28 16 35
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Up-tick if you think we should scrap all restrictions today.
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08/04/2021 15:10:24 20 10
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Up-tick if you think the above is just seeking votes.
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08/04/2021 15:12:25 4 3
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We've got a plan laid out and it's working, so far.

Stick to the plan
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08/04/2021 15:21:07 1 4
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Yes, about a year too late....
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08/04/2021 15:08:28 16 35
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Up-tick if you think we should scrap all restrictions today.
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08/04/2021 15:10:24 20 10
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Up-tick if you think the above is just seeking votes.
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08/04/2021 15:11:04 53 7
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"Buses in England to return to pre-pandemic levels"
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So pretty much unusable for commuting outside of the big 3 cities.

I live in a town 11 miles north of the city of Chelmsford, Essex. I have to take 2 buses to get there. It takes 90 minutes on a good day, usually more than that. And due to timetabling of the first of those 2 buses, I can't get to the city centre before 08:30.
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08/04/2021 15:12:43 35 8
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I agree, waste of time in the main, buses, unless you live in any big city
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Bob
08/04/2021 15:21:23 3 11
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So presumably somewhere like Felsted. If you live in a rural area you can't expect a direct bus route to every town and city going. Not unless you want to pay £50 a go. Two buses might be a faff but hardly horrific.

It sounds like you want a taxi, not a bus. Or better yet, move.
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08/04/2021 16:07:00 3 0
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And if you have an oldies bus pass you can't use it till 9.30 anyway...
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08/04/2021 15:11:12 20 15
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OK as long as people continue to wear masks .....
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08/04/2021 15:20:21 13 41
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Riciculous nonsense. Mask wearing fetish is absurd
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08/04/2021 15:21:01 10 7
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Hopefully masks will be a thing of the past come 21 June - I can't wait to throw mine in the bin.
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08/04/2021 15:08:21 11 7
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A bus is something I catch only if I really have to, I deliberately bought a house near a train station for that reason.

Perhaps they can do something to make them a more attractive form of public transport rather than some form of medieval torture.
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Rob
08/04/2021 15:11:41 19 1
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I have lived on a bus route for 15 years, they are every 15 min from 7-7, I have used them once. For 2 of us to go to town 3 miles away it was cheaper to get a taxi. They used to be cheap but now are way more expensive than driving.
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08/04/2021 15:20:55 2 0
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A well integrated public transit system is key.
We could take a leaf out of Sweden's book.
Just out of town the bus effectively only ran on demand on a Sunday afternoon. You had to call the company and they'd send a bus at the time agreed on the time table. It saved running the bus empty.
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08/04/2021 16:41:49 2 0
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"They used to be cheap but",

privatization...

They are unaffordably expensive in order to repay 'investors', most of whom don't live in the UK and have offshore bank accounts...
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GH
08/04/2021 15:12:00 52 8
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Over priced and low quality.
You talking about the TV Licence fee? Removed
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08/04/2021 15:12:15 45 7
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Get the bus where?

I dont need to buy anything as I'm no allowed to do anything.

None of the independent pubs near me are opening on the 12th and I refuse to support a big chain brand who wants the good pubs to go bankrupt.
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08/04/2021 15:08:28 16 35
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Up-tick if you think we should scrap all restrictions today.
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08/04/2021 15:12:25 4 3
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We've got a plan laid out and it's working, so far.

Stick to the plan
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08/04/2021 15:20:06 6 7
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The plan is far too cautious; verging on guttless.
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08/04/2021 15:11:04 53 7
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"Buses in England to return to pre-pandemic levels"
--

So pretty much unusable for commuting outside of the big 3 cities.

I live in a town 11 miles north of the city of Chelmsford, Essex. I have to take 2 buses to get there. It takes 90 minutes on a good day, usually more than that. And due to timetabling of the first of those 2 buses, I can't get to the city centre before 08:30.
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08/04/2021 15:12:43 35 8
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I agree, waste of time in the main, buses, unless you live in any big city
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08/04/2021 15:17:46 10 1
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Unfortunately some of us don't have a choice.

Personally, as I'm disabled and would not be able to drive, it has limited, or made difficult, my job opportunities throughout my life. Moving closer to work, an option banded about by those without a clue, is not an option due to lack of housing and increasing housing costs. Working from home also isn't an option for many people, including me.
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08/04/2021 15:13:20 7 12
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Oh how I hope this is true and I guess it will be because there will be more people for whom this is the only type of transport that can be afforded

We will reap a summer of non-C19 sickness that will bring misery to millions and may silently kill 1,000s as our under utilised immune systems can't cope with returning to normal

The unintended consequences disasters of futile lockdowns go on and on
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08/04/2021 15:34:10 1 0
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You do know that it takes a years to train an immune system, not months? Unless you're under 5...
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08/04/2021 15:14:11 4 20
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People who travel on buses are not that bright.

I remember seeing countless buses go past me during the first lockdown.

The upstairs were empty and everyone crammed into the bottom deck.
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 2 1
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The classic Maggie comment.
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08/04/2021 15:40:19 0 0
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That's really really interesting, my what a fascinating person you are.
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08/04/2021 16:10:13 1 0
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Be a bit silly going upstairs on a single decker!
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08/04/2021 16:43:06 0 0
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A lot of people cannot cope with the stairs, especially as the bus moves off while they are still trying to get to their seats (which it has to do to keep to time and not hold up other traffic unnecessarily).
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Rob
08/04/2021 15:14:13 17 8
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My busses have kept runing throughout, but I never use them. Too expensive and slow. Used by the old and the young, everybody else drives. They are 70-80% empty even in normal times.
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08/04/2021 15:22:57 8 1
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I used to live in a large town which did have a reasonably comprehensive bus network, except the standard of service was very average and it was not cheap.

End result was near-permanent rush hour because everyone just jumped in their cars (and you DID have one - because life without one was just too difficult).
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08/04/2021 17:04:14 0 0
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You mean everybody else blocks the roads and pollutes the entire world not just there little piece of the UK. Shameful, selfish and brainless.
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08/04/2021 15:15:56 79 13
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Living in a rural area we enjoy 2 buses per day, which are expensive and take well over an hour to reach the nearest town with appreciable shopping, a journey that takes 20 minutes by car.

Buses are OK if you are a townie.
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08/04/2021 15:48:34 26 36
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No one wants to use uses buses anymore - does anyone want to see more empty buses clogging up the streets?
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08/04/2021 15:50:55 7 2
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Politicians only care about the major population centres because that's where the votes are.

The rich Tory voters in the countryside don't use the busses and Rural Deprevation isn't a thing as far as Westminster us concerned.
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08/04/2021 16:25:59 5 0
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Yes, similar service where we live. Compounded by not being an economic proposition. Several bus companies have tried to run a service over the years but given up. The current one has been going for about 2 years, but whenever I see it it's all but empty. Sadly there are so many advantages for cars over busses in rural areas - destinations, time, cost, convenience, no evening service.
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VoR
08/04/2021 16:44:49 2 0
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I'd still welcome 2 expensive buses per day!
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08/04/2021 18:38:50 0 0
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ifpeople in your vilage had used them they would be more frequent. Rural dwellers are addicted to cars..... wont walk or cycle either in my experiene.
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08/04/2021 15:12:43 35 8
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I agree, waste of time in the main, buses, unless you live in any big city
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08/04/2021 15:17:46 10 1
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Unfortunately some of us don't have a choice.

Personally, as I'm disabled and would not be able to drive, it has limited, or made difficult, my job opportunities throughout my life. Moving closer to work, an option banded about by those without a clue, is not an option due to lack of housing and increasing housing costs. Working from home also isn't an option for many people, including me.
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08/04/2021 15:16:33 38 0
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Having just got off a practically empty bus, that used to be packed before all this panic, I find this claim very hard to believe.
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08/04/2021 15:18:58 9 21
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And if we can now all stop the face mask wearing fetish we can start appearing normal again....
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08/04/2021 15:24:39 7 2
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There is no normal while the border restrictions are still in place.

Despite what Boris claims normality starts when borders are open, testing has stopped and masks are all in the bin.
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08/04/2021 15:30:06 2 2
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Why are you so keen to go back to normal? It was a miserable existence for 99% of people.
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08/04/2021 15:55:42 0 1
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That dumb rhetoric just extended the endemic and the use of wearing masks for another 3 months
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08/04/2021 15:12:25 4 3
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We've got a plan laid out and it's working, so far.

Stick to the plan
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08/04/2021 15:20:06 6 7
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The plan is far too cautious; verging on guttless.
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08/04/2021 15:22:11 3 1
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Balls.

There will be no more restrIctions in 11 weeks, with a gradual reduction to then.

Whilst the rest of Europe is going down into another lockdown.
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08/04/2021 15:22:25 2 1
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There will be more compliance if the lockdown is eased slower and means we will not have to go into another.
You'd be the first to moan if we rushed out of lockdown to be put in one 3 months later.
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08/04/2021 15:11:12 20 15
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OK as long as people continue to wear masks .....
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08/04/2021 15:20:21 13 41
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Riciculous nonsense. Mask wearing fetish is absurd
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08/04/2021 16:12:42 2 3
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are you an alien trying really hard, but failing miserably, to fit in with earth culture? you really should have done more reasearch before landing on earth. Masks reduce transmission => less covid cases.
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ps
08/04/2021 16:28:29 2 1
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Are you educated?
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08/04/2021 15:20:44 9 8
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Good. No point in reopening the economy if people cannot get there.

After June 21st there will also be tidal waves of people returning to offices. The people on here banging the drum for permanent WFH on their terms are badly out of step with discussions happening elsewhere and what major employers are saying.
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08/04/2021 15:23:06 10 4
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I work for a major employer - WFH is here to stay.
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08/04/2021 15:24:09 5 1
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Wrong. Most major employers are moving to Agile working and now having a desk to employee ratio of .6 from .85. A 5 day per fortnight is also a popular agreement now.
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08/04/2021 15:28:51 3 0
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All those greedy companies can’t wait to cut expenses with lower over heads for offices.
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Rob
08/04/2021 15:11:41 19 1
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I have lived on a bus route for 15 years, they are every 15 min from 7-7, I have used them once. For 2 of us to go to town 3 miles away it was cheaper to get a taxi. They used to be cheap but now are way more expensive than driving.
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08/04/2021 15:20:55 2 0
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A well integrated public transit system is key.
We could take a leaf out of Sweden's book.
Just out of town the bus effectively only ran on demand on a Sunday afternoon. You had to call the company and they'd send a bus at the time agreed on the time table. It saved running the bus empty.
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08/04/2021 15:11:12 20 15
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OK as long as people continue to wear masks .....
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08/04/2021 15:21:01 10 7
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Hopefully masks will be a thing of the past come 21 June - I can't wait to throw mine in the bin.
Have observed a few of your conversation in these comments with the original poster. Removed
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08/04/2021 15:08:28 16 35
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Up-tick if you think we should scrap all restrictions today.
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08/04/2021 15:21:07 1 4
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Yes, about a year too late....
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08/04/2021 15:11:04 53 7
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"Buses in England to return to pre-pandemic levels"
--

So pretty much unusable for commuting outside of the big 3 cities.

I live in a town 11 miles north of the city of Chelmsford, Essex. I have to take 2 buses to get there. It takes 90 minutes on a good day, usually more than that. And due to timetabling of the first of those 2 buses, I can't get to the city centre before 08:30.
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Bob
08/04/2021 15:21:23 3 11
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So presumably somewhere like Felsted. If you live in a rural area you can't expect a direct bus route to every town and city going. Not unless you want to pay £50 a go. Two buses might be a faff but hardly horrific.

It sounds like you want a taxi, not a bus. Or better yet, move.
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08/04/2021 15:29:22 10 0
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You doughnut. That's such a classic simpleton reply: "durr just move", like it's that easy to just up-sticks and sell a house in this climate (or any for that matter). The point is that infrastructure beyond cities should be sensibly accommodate workers to commute externally, particularly as there is now a drive for environmentally friendly transport.
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08/04/2021 15:36:11 7 3
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Felsted? No.

Like I said a town. Not a rural area out in the sticks. A quite affluent one with a large and growing commuter population. We even have a rail station.

And like I said, the move option is banded about by people who don't have a clue, which it sounds like you don't.
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08/04/2021 15:40:55 9 1
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"Two buses might be a faff."

No, a faff is a minor inconvenience.

2 buses means if one bus is late for a connection or doesn't turn up at all, as frequently happens, you have to wait another hour or more for the next one. It also means you have to wait around for, often 30 minutes or more for connections due to the poor timetabling.

What do you think employers think of that?
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08/04/2021 15:21:28 25 3
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Back to being crap, late, expensive, infrequent and dirty in Rotherham then, assuming that is they even bother to turn up.
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08/04/2021 15:41:48 22 2
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Not just Rotherham, First Bus here in Somerset are hopelessly unreliable often don't turn up or are so late as to be ridiculous - having been a bus driver before the nationalisation of the industry I'm appalled at the chaos in place of what used to be a reliable functional bus service nationwide.
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08/04/2021 16:09:05 5 0
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Same here in rural Cheshire, Arriva should be rename NonArriva. Filthy busses spewing black smoke, constantly breaking down, 50-50 chance the bus won't turn up and don't get me started about Northern Rail!
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08/04/2021 16:48:35 0 0
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Add London to the list too.
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08/04/2021 15:20:06 6 7
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The plan is far too cautious; verging on guttless.
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08/04/2021 15:22:11 3 1
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Balls.

There will be no more restrIctions in 11 weeks, with a gradual reduction to then.

Whilst the rest of Europe is going down into another lockdown.
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08/04/2021 15:22:18 28 21
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Back to the low levels brought about by unnecessary Tory austerity cuts. And while we're talking about pre-pandemic buses, where, pray, is the £350m a week Bozo and the other liars behind the Quit campaign promised they would give to the NHS?
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08/04/2021 15:27:01 7 16
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lol. They have had way more than that. Great isnt it.??
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08/04/2021 15:27:46 6 1
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Worth noting austerity increased the national debt
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08/04/2021 16:27:18 4 6
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Where, pray, is education and the ability to understand written English? NOBODY promised they would give money to the NHS. The Leave campaign pointed out the cost of being in the EU (which depends how you calculate it anyway) and then added the suggestion of funding the NHS instead. No-one then or ever said "As soon as Leave win the referendum we will give the NHS £350M per week." No-one. Ever.
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08/04/2021 15:20:06 6 7
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The plan is far too cautious; verging on guttless.
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08/04/2021 15:22:25 2 1
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There will be more compliance if the lockdown is eased slower and means we will not have to go into another.
You'd be the first to moan if we rushed out of lockdown to be put in one 3 months later.
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08/04/2021 15:14:13 17 8
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My busses have kept runing throughout, but I never use them. Too expensive and slow. Used by the old and the young, everybody else drives. They are 70-80% empty even in normal times.
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08/04/2021 15:22:57 8 1
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I used to live in a large town which did have a reasonably comprehensive bus network, except the standard of service was very average and it was not cheap.

End result was near-permanent rush hour because everyone just jumped in their cars (and you DID have one - because life without one was just too difficult).
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08/04/2021 15:30:47 0 0
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Can’t wait for the permanent traffic
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08/04/2021 15:20:44 9 8
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Good. No point in reopening the economy if people cannot get there.

After June 21st there will also be tidal waves of people returning to offices. The people on here banging the drum for permanent WFH on their terms are badly out of step with discussions happening elsewhere and what major employers are saying.
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08/04/2021 15:23:06 10 4
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I work for a major employer - WFH is here to stay.
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08/04/2021 15:29:39 0 2
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Not on a permanent basis for all, it's not. Agile and flexible working is a thing, but just letting people work from home forever with zero justification absolutely isn't.

The FTSE 100 I worked for (I now work for a FTSE 250) hasn't allowed new starters to be on WFH contracts since 2013. And at my current company permanent WFH isn't permitted at all - agile within reason is the norm here.
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08/04/2021 15:58:18 1 0
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But WFH means WORKING, not being paid full salary for child minding! Time to put an end to this rip-off!
All those saying no more restrIctions now, and let us book our foreign holidays

Maybe you'd like to think about moving to Brazil, and live care free.
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 5 6
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish and blinkered attitude!!!!

Some of us are willing to accept a small risk to our health for the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry.
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08/04/2021 15:28:47 3 1
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Brazil does have lower "deaths per capita" rate so that would be great.

Shame its too difficult to travel at the moment
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08/04/2021 15:39:17 1 1
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Brazil will come to us, later this year, probably Autumn.

You bet one of their appalling new variants will get into the UK through a daisy chain of infections, eventually through a non-red list country or someone lying about their movements.

June 21st 2021 was described as our "parole date" on another forum I read. Not the end by a long shot and we'll be recalled to prison probably in September.
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08/04/2021 15:20:44 9 8
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Good. No point in reopening the economy if people cannot get there.

After June 21st there will also be tidal waves of people returning to offices. The people on here banging the drum for permanent WFH on their terms are badly out of step with discussions happening elsewhere and what major employers are saying.
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08/04/2021 15:24:09 5 1
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Wrong. Most major employers are moving to Agile working and now having a desk to employee ratio of .6 from .85. A 5 day per fortnight is also a popular agreement now.
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08/04/2021 15:27:13 0 5
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Which isn't the permanent WFH I alluded to. That's what I said will not happen, not "agile working" which is already very common and my employer already offers it.
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08/04/2021 15:18:58 9 21
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And if we can now all stop the face mask wearing fetish we can start appearing normal again....
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08/04/2021 15:24:39 7 2
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There is no normal while the border restrictions are still in place.

Despite what Boris claims normality starts when borders are open, testing has stopped and masks are all in the bin.
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08/04/2021 15:25:42 25 6
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I think the probability of going back to being stuck under someone's armpit whether it's by bus or train is not likely to happen, particularly with the virus still about & face coverings are likely to be about for some time to come even with the vaccination programme.
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08/04/2021 15:35:00 23 3
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You are waiting for the bus. The bus arrives but it's full. Do you

a). Get on anyway even though you will have to stand
b). Wait an hour for the next one.

Given these options I think most people will chose a. No one wants to travel that way but faced with travelling on a crowded bus or not getting where you want to go at all, most people will choose the crowded bus.
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08/04/2021 16:12:37 7 1
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I find that an occasional trip by bus or train is very useful in reminding me why I have to spend money running a car
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08/04/2021 20:36:30 0 0
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And explain to your inconsiderate manager at work that you are late and lose your job, many of us can't choose a or b.
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08/04/2021 15:25:53 17 5
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You wait all your life for a lockdown then two come along one after the other.
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08/04/2021 15:26:05 54 4
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As a non driver and waiting an extra 6 years for my senior citizens bus pass I can't wait to use it as I've recently retired on a basic pension. The seaside is calling me! And, by the way, I have been abiding by all the restrictions for over a year like most people.
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08/04/2021 15:28:21 52 1
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Good for you matey... Enjoy your retirement.??
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08/04/2021 15:55:43 9 1
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Hope you get to visit dozens of UK resorts this summer and enjoy every one...
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08/04/2021 16:18:36 4 1
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There are some really scenic bus routes in various parts of the country if you aren't in a hurry!
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 24 11
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Just when they thought it was safe, Tory county councils are going to have to cut rural bus services again. But I seem to remember Bozo saying he was going to expand rural bus services. Ah Bozo said, right as you were.
All those saying no more restrIctions now, and let us book our foreign holidays

Maybe you'd like to think about moving to Brazil, and live care free.
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 5 6
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish and blinkered attitude!!!!

Some of us are willing to accept a small risk to our health for the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry.
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08/04/2021 15:27:26 1 1
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Assume you’d happily pay more for the services of those industries for higher wages for those workers ?
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08/04/2021 15:28:33 1 4
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What on earth are you blabbering on about?

Do you even know?
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08/04/2021 15:31:36 1 1
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What a complete load of nonsense. Pull the other because people like you don't fool anyone.

What you advocate has very little to do with your "generosity" and "the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry".
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08/04/2021 15:26:29 5 10
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Not sure why everyone is complaining about the buses. Here in London the service is fantastic
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08/04/2021 15:30:17 16 3
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Because, believe it or not, most people in the UK don't live in London.
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08/04/2021 15:34:53 3 0
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Where I live in a village we have 2 buses an hour. They go around the villages between two towns, .The buses are very clean have sanitisers on all buses. They have kept going during the lockdown for the workers who couldn’t work from home. It is a private company with brilliant drivers.
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08/04/2021 15:35:40 4 1
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The rest of the UK pays for the infrastructure in London at the expense of investment anywhere else. London public transport is much cheaper and much more numerous and frequent than anywhere else in the UK. "A pound spent in Croydon is of far more value to the country than a pound spent in Strathclyde," Boris Johnson. (but only if you are from Croydon)
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08/04/2021 15:49:05 3 1
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Aha, the classic London "I'm all right Jack!"

And you wonder why the rest of the country hates Londoners with your attitude - which certainly isn't all Londoners, by any means!
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08/04/2021 15:22:18 28 21
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Back to the low levels brought about by unnecessary Tory austerity cuts. And while we're talking about pre-pandemic buses, where, pray, is the £350m a week Bozo and the other liars behind the Quit campaign promised they would give to the NHS?
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08/04/2021 15:27:01 7 16
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lol. They have had way more than that. Great isnt it.??
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08/04/2021 15:24:09 5 1
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Wrong. Most major employers are moving to Agile working and now having a desk to employee ratio of .6 from .85. A 5 day per fortnight is also a popular agreement now.
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08/04/2021 15:27:13 0 5
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Which isn't the permanent WFH I alluded to. That's what I said will not happen, not "agile working" which is already very common and my employer already offers it.
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08/04/2021 15:29:31 3 1
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So workers will be back to the offices in tidal waves , 2/3 days a week?
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 5 6
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish and blinkered attitude!!!!

Some of us are willing to accept a small risk to our health for the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry.
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08/04/2021 15:27:26 1 1
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Assume you’d happily pay more for the services of those industries for higher wages for those workers ?
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08/04/2021 15:22:18 28 21
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Back to the low levels brought about by unnecessary Tory austerity cuts. And while we're talking about pre-pandemic buses, where, pray, is the £350m a week Bozo and the other liars behind the Quit campaign promised they would give to the NHS?
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08/04/2021 15:27:46 6 1
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Worth noting austerity increased the national debt
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08/04/2021 15:26:05 54 4
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As a non driver and waiting an extra 6 years for my senior citizens bus pass I can't wait to use it as I've recently retired on a basic pension. The seaside is calling me! And, by the way, I have been abiding by all the restrictions for over a year like most people.
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08/04/2021 15:28:21 52 1
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Good for you matey... Enjoy your retirement.??
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 5 6
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish and blinkered attitude!!!!

Some of us are willing to accept a small risk to our health for the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry.
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08/04/2021 15:28:33 1 4
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What on earth are you blabbering on about?

Do you even know?
All those saying no more restrIctions now, and let us book our foreign holidays

Maybe you'd like to think about moving to Brazil, and live care free.
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08/04/2021 15:28:47 3 1
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Brazil does have lower "deaths per capita" rate so that would be great.

Shame its too difficult to travel at the moment
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08/04/2021 15:29:43 1 2
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4,000 deaths per day at current rate.
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08/04/2021 15:28:50 102 8
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Buses may work in London and big cities, but where I am they're unreliable, dirty and the routes make no sense. I live in a suburb (not way out in the sticks) yet can't get into town on one bus: I'd have to change buses. They're also expensive; it's actually cheaper to park my car for a full day than use a bus.

Make them clean, safe, convenient and affordable, and more people would use them.
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 15 75
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Actually they work very well in small towns too.

So that counts for most of the country
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Pip
08/04/2021 15:57:45 7 5
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As a pensioner, with a bus pass, living in South Devon, they work quite well, except in the more rural areas. And, it's far better having elderly folk on buses rather than driving cars, I'm sure you'll all agree.............?
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pTc
08/04/2021 16:01:48 6 3
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Exactly, from outside of my House to the Town - a Journey of 2 miles, Its £1.80, on a bus which is about 20 years old (I personally walk, but for older people with mobility issues a complete rip off)
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08/04/2021 16:07:16 9 4
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"Make them clean, safe, convenient and affordable, and more people would use them."

You could introduce a free, 24 hour door-to-door pick-up/drop-off service and still most Brits wouldn't use them. They see it as beneath their dignity.
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08/04/2021 16:14:13 19 4
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If the buses are dirty then the blame lies fairly and squarely with the public. Bus operators do not have staff whose job it is to make their vehicles dirty. Sadly, in the UK a lot of the public think that using public transport is reason enough to leave litter and rubbish everywhere and put there feet on adjoining seats. Many of the public are not fit to use buses and trains.
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08/04/2021 16:15:28 7 1
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Completely agree! Home to the town centre (population over 100k) is 10min drive, £2 for 2hrs parking. For a family of 4 it is a 25min bus journey costing £13.20!!! There isn't even a supermarket on the route...no wonder we all have cars here!
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08/04/2021 18:48:58 1 0
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start to use them more and they will become punctual, reliable, better....car addicts like you pollute and block the roads - get on a bus!
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08/04/2021 15:20:44 9 8
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Good. No point in reopening the economy if people cannot get there.

After June 21st there will also be tidal waves of people returning to offices. The people on here banging the drum for permanent WFH on their terms are badly out of step with discussions happening elsewhere and what major employers are saying.
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08/04/2021 15:28:51 3 0
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All those greedy companies can’t wait to cut expenses with lower over heads for offices.
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Bob
08/04/2021 15:21:23 3 11
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So presumably somewhere like Felsted. If you live in a rural area you can't expect a direct bus route to every town and city going. Not unless you want to pay £50 a go. Two buses might be a faff but hardly horrific.

It sounds like you want a taxi, not a bus. Or better yet, move.
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08/04/2021 15:29:22 10 0
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You doughnut. That's such a classic simpleton reply: "durr just move", like it's that easy to just up-sticks and sell a house in this climate (or any for that matter). The point is that infrastructure beyond cities should be sensibly accommodate workers to commute externally, particularly as there is now a drive for environmentally friendly transport.
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08/04/2021 15:27:13 0 5
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Which isn't the permanent WFH I alluded to. That's what I said will not happen, not "agile working" which is already very common and my employer already offers it.
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08/04/2021 15:29:31 3 1
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So workers will be back to the offices in tidal waves , 2/3 days a week?
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08/04/2021 15:23:06 10 4
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I work for a major employer - WFH is here to stay.
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08/04/2021 15:29:39 0 2
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Not on a permanent basis for all, it's not. Agile and flexible working is a thing, but just letting people work from home forever with zero justification absolutely isn't.

The FTSE 100 I worked for (I now work for a FTSE 250) hasn't allowed new starters to be on WFH contracts since 2013. And at my current company permanent WFH isn't permitted at all - agile within reason is the norm here.
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08/04/2021 15:28:47 3 1
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Brazil does have lower "deaths per capita" rate so that would be great.

Shame its too difficult to travel at the moment
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08/04/2021 15:29:43 1 2
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4,000 deaths per day at current rate.
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08/04/2021 15:18:58 9 21
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And if we can now all stop the face mask wearing fetish we can start appearing normal again....
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08/04/2021 15:30:06 2 2
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Why are you so keen to go back to normal? It was a miserable existence for 99% of people.
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08/04/2021 15:26:29 5 10
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Not sure why everyone is complaining about the buses. Here in London the service is fantastic
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08/04/2021 15:30:17 16 3
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Because, believe it or not, most people in the UK don't live in London.
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08/04/2021 15:22:57 8 1
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I used to live in a large town which did have a reasonably comprehensive bus network, except the standard of service was very average and it was not cheap.

End result was near-permanent rush hour because everyone just jumped in their cars (and you DID have one - because life without one was just too difficult).
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08/04/2021 15:30:47 0 0
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Can’t wait for the permanent traffic
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08/04/2021 15:14:11 4 20
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People who travel on buses are not that bright.

I remember seeing countless buses go past me during the first lockdown.

The upstairs were empty and everyone crammed into the bottom deck.
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 2 1
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The classic Maggie comment.
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08/04/2021 15:38:28 0 1
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It's a fact.
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08/04/2021 15:28:50 102 8
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Buses may work in London and big cities, but where I am they're unreliable, dirty and the routes make no sense. I live in a suburb (not way out in the sticks) yet can't get into town on one bus: I'd have to change buses. They're also expensive; it's actually cheaper to park my car for a full day than use a bus.

Make them clean, safe, convenient and affordable, and more people would use them.
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 15 75
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Actually they work very well in small towns too.

So that counts for most of the country
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08/04/2021 15:33:55 17 5
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Are you really Grant Shapps?
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08/04/2021 15:36:27 29 2
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Not true, travelling from one small town to the next the bus times are useless, you either have to be at work 2 hours early or 20 minutes late and then wait 90 mins for the bus home.
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08/04/2021 15:44:17 15 2
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Just because you say it doesn't make it true.
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08/04/2021 15:46:56 25 1
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Strange, I know several people where the last bus to or from their local 80k population town is at 6pm - not good for working or shopping late, or going anywhere after work.

But you say buses work in small towns, so who am I to argue?
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08/04/2021 16:15:27 3 0
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I am fortunate, have a bus stop on a busy route about 50yds from my house. But some people live well over half a mile from a minor bus stop that means several changes. Buses work well for some people, but not for others. And with more working from home and less shopping in physical shops, the whole bus thing really needs rethinking.
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08/04/2021 16:16:59 0 3
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UK buses. *shudder*

Where we lived (West Midlands), regular service was farmed out to a local outfit who turned up if you we lucky, and clocked off at 1630, utterly useless if you worked- and didn't drive.

That's before the 45mins-1hour each way to towns around 3 miles away.

I don't miss it and luckily now have clean, reliable public transport near me.
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08/04/2021 16:18:20 2 1
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yes every 3 to 4 hours when they turn up

or just 3 times a day
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08/04/2021 16:32:31 3 1
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What small town is that? Doesn't work well here.
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08/04/2021 16:59:15 0 3
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Ah yes, a very detailed and well-explained argument. You convinced me.
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08/04/2021 15:26:07 5 6
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Thank goodness everyone doesn't have your selfish and blinkered attitude!!!!

Some of us are willing to accept a small risk to our health for the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry.
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08/04/2021 15:31:36 1 1
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What a complete load of nonsense. Pull the other because people like you don't fool anyone.

What you advocate has very little to do with your "generosity" and "the benefit of millions of livelihoods in the travel and hospitality industry".
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08/04/2021 15:12:15 45 7
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Get the bus where?

I dont need to buy anything as I'm no allowed to do anything.

None of the independent pubs near me are opening on the 12th and I refuse to support a big chain brand who wants the good pubs to go bankrupt.
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08/04/2021 15:37:35 10 0
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Is that done online then?
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08/04/2021 16:30:17 0 0
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If you're going to use inane far right catchphrases, at least learn to spell them correctly.
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08/04/2021 15:32:23 3 5
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Half the high street looks like it will stay closed. Online shopping is here to stay.

Work from home will not suit everyone - but not many will go back to a full 5 day in the office week.

Lots more people now cycling. Locally electric scooters are available using smart phone. Cheaper and quicker than the bus.

The bus is the last gasp of the 20th century - now close to death!
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08/04/2021 15:42:59 1 0
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You do realise that you'll be paying the council tax that used to be paid by half the high street. You're probably right, but the man will get his tax no matter what. Besides in a argument between an electric scooter and a car, van, lorry or bus there's only going to be one winner.
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08/04/2021 15:21:01 10 7
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Hopefully masks will be a thing of the past come 21 June - I can't wait to throw mine in the bin.
Have observed a few of your conversation in these comments with the original poster. Removed
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08/04/2021 15:05:01 22 7
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Quite right too. We are not going to get the economy back on track with half measures.
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08/04/2021 15:33:06 11 41
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Can we get planes back to pre-pandemic levels too please. The sooner the better!!
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08/04/2021 15:38:17 10 4
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Shame we can't just forget plane travel. Bad for the planet and a sure way of bringing the latest exciting new virus variants into our home towns.
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08/04/2021 15:53:58 8 8
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Forget planes - should be banned. They brought Covid-19 into the UK, caused the spread of COVID-19 throughout the country and all the suffering and death that came with it. If jolly-uppers bring in new variants (E484K) it could undo all the good vaccination work done and in 10 weeks we could be facing an existentialist lockdown.
Idiot, are you immune to Covid, I doubt it. Removed
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 15 75
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Actually they work very well in small towns too.

So that counts for most of the country
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08/04/2021 15:33:55 17 5
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Are you really Grant Shapps?
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08/04/2021 15:13:20 7 12
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Oh how I hope this is true and I guess it will be because there will be more people for whom this is the only type of transport that can be afforded

We will reap a summer of non-C19 sickness that will bring misery to millions and may silently kill 1,000s as our under utilised immune systems can't cope with returning to normal

The unintended consequences disasters of futile lockdowns go on and on
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08/04/2021 15:34:10 1 0
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You do know that it takes a years to train an immune system, not months? Unless you're under 5...
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08/04/2021 15:26:29 5 10
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Not sure why everyone is complaining about the buses. Here in London the service is fantastic
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08/04/2021 15:34:53 3 0
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Where I live in a village we have 2 buses an hour. They go around the villages between two towns, .The buses are very clean have sanitisers on all buses. They have kept going during the lockdown for the workers who couldn’t work from home. It is a private company with brilliant drivers.
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08/04/2021 15:25:42 25 6
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I think the probability of going back to being stuck under someone's armpit whether it's by bus or train is not likely to happen, particularly with the virus still about & face coverings are likely to be about for some time to come even with the vaccination programme.
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08/04/2021 15:35:00 23 3
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You are waiting for the bus. The bus arrives but it's full. Do you

a). Get on anyway even though you will have to stand
b). Wait an hour for the next one.

Given these options I think most people will chose a. No one wants to travel that way but faced with travelling on a crowded bus or not getting where you want to go at all, most people will choose the crowded bus.
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08/04/2021 15:35:29 6 3
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Northern Ireland buses are being set on fire due to incendiary DUP rhetoric and their militant wing using children as young as 12 to do so.
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08/04/2021 16:31:04 2 1
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That was happening in the 1960s and 1970s, and the buses than and now are nothing to do with politics or religion in NI.
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08/04/2021 15:35:40 20 8
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Not sure what all this talk about buses only work in cities business is.

I grew up in a town with a population under 100k.

Used the bus all the time, frequent, up to midnight, could get a cheap bus pass.

People will always be lazy and prefer the car option. Sod the environment.

Plus, there's an element of snobbery.
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08/04/2021 16:38:06 4 1
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K.. Where l am (coast affluent south) by bus to nearest city is about 1.5 hours (mere 18 miles), service limited times, ends about 6pm, cost £5.20 at least.
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Gaz
08/04/2021 17:02:14 2 0
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For me to get a bus, which never runs on time, into the city is a good 45 minutes plus. I can actually drive in park get my shopping and be back home instead of standing around waiting for the return bus. Cost, cheaper than the bus.
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08/04/2021 15:26:29 5 10
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Not sure why everyone is complaining about the buses. Here in London the service is fantastic
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08/04/2021 15:35:40 4 1
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The rest of the UK pays for the infrastructure in London at the expense of investment anywhere else. London public transport is much cheaper and much more numerous and frequent than anywhere else in the UK. "A pound spent in Croydon is of far more value to the country than a pound spent in Strathclyde," Boris Johnson. (but only if you are from Croydon)
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08/04/2021 15:35:50 17 3
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Buses stopped being fun when the open platforms were replaced by closing doors - brill chasing a "lost cause" making that final leap on board - but even more exciting the dismount at speed, hit the ground running.
During all that deal / no deal palaver could have snuck it in the Brexit small print:
Brits shall have restored unto them the right to jump on / off a moving bus.
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08/04/2021 15:37:27 7 2
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Billy Connolly tells a funny story about seeing an old lady dismount the back of a bus in mid air
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08/04/2021 15:38:43 2 2
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Not to mention manually operated train doors
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Bob
08/04/2021 15:21:23 3 11
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So presumably somewhere like Felsted. If you live in a rural area you can't expect a direct bus route to every town and city going. Not unless you want to pay £50 a go. Two buses might be a faff but hardly horrific.

It sounds like you want a taxi, not a bus. Or better yet, move.
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08/04/2021 15:36:11 7 3
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Felsted? No.

Like I said a town. Not a rural area out in the sticks. A quite affluent one with a large and growing commuter population. We even have a rail station.

And like I said, the move option is banded about by people who don't have a clue, which it sounds like you don't.
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 15 75
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Actually they work very well in small towns too.

So that counts for most of the country
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08/04/2021 15:36:27 29 2
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Not true, travelling from one small town to the next the bus times are useless, you either have to be at work 2 hours early or 20 minutes late and then wait 90 mins for the bus home.
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08/04/2021 15:37:01 5 10
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Well duh! Buses here only allow 20 passengers. Plus couples, people in same household/support bubble are not allowed to sit together.

I’m not going to on a bus until the masks are optional.

Why should I pay for wearing a mask whereas I don’t wear a mask whilst driving or a passenger in my parents’ (in my support bubble) car?
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08/04/2021 15:42:43 8 2
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You really don't get the whole mask thing, do you?

The point is to make it less likely you wil spread the virus to other people...

Or maybe you do get it, but just don't care about anyone outside your bubble!
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08/04/2021 15:35:50 17 3
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Buses stopped being fun when the open platforms were replaced by closing doors - brill chasing a "lost cause" making that final leap on board - but even more exciting the dismount at speed, hit the ground running.
During all that deal / no deal palaver could have snuck it in the Brexit small print:
Brits shall have restored unto them the right to jump on / off a moving bus.
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08/04/2021 15:37:27 7 2
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Billy Connolly tells a funny story about seeing an old lady dismount the back of a bus in mid air
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08/04/2021 15:37:35 10 0
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Is that done online then?
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08/04/2021 15:33:06 11 41
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Can we get planes back to pre-pandemic levels too please. The sooner the better!!
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08/04/2021 15:38:17 10 4
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Shame we can't just forget plane travel. Bad for the planet and a sure way of bringing the latest exciting new virus variants into our home towns.
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08/04/2021 15:43:09 4 1
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Good for the millions of livelihoods in the UK that depend on the travel and hospitality sector though....
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08/04/2021 15:38:26 3 3
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Pre pandemic buses mean no buses for us. They went bankrupt in the middle of the day a couple of years ago.??
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 2 1
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The classic Maggie comment.
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08/04/2021 15:38:28 0 1
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It's a fact.
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08/04/2021 15:35:50 17 3
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Buses stopped being fun when the open platforms were replaced by closing doors - brill chasing a "lost cause" making that final leap on board - but even more exciting the dismount at speed, hit the ground running.
During all that deal / no deal palaver could have snuck it in the Brexit small print:
Brits shall have restored unto them the right to jump on / off a moving bus.
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08/04/2021 15:38:43 2 2
bbc
Not to mention manually operated train doors
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08/04/2021 20:18:49 0 0
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They still had them till about a year ago in East Anglia, used to like the big comfy 1970's style seats in first class.
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08/04/2021 15:35:29 9 13
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Just used a couple of buses. (to get my second jab).

The problem with the BBC is that they are politically censored - see NI violence. Johnson dose not wish to understand that HE caused the violence by going ahead with brexit. Abandon Brexit or more will die.

He will lie and lie in a vain effort to spread lies. He will place BBC stories about buses for the same reason. Don't let him con you.
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08/04/2021 15:51:08 8 2
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I am sorry but I cannot not comment. The violence in NI has no relevance to this thread and even if it did the violence is caused by the people who are violent - no one else.
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08/04/2021 15:51:38 3 2
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Your lies will not alter the truth.
All those saying no more restrIctions now, and let us book our foreign holidays

Maybe you'd like to think about moving to Brazil, and live care free.
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08/04/2021 15:39:17 1 1
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Brazil will come to us, later this year, probably Autumn.

You bet one of their appalling new variants will get into the UK through a daisy chain of infections, eventually through a non-red list country or someone lying about their movements.

June 21st 2021 was described as our "parole date" on another forum I read. Not the end by a long shot and we'll be recalled to prison probably in September.
Ah, normality returns to England in the form of bus runs.

Meanwhile, in NI, buses are being burnt by radicalized children, encouraged by despicable politicians, goaded on by extremist parents and paramilitaries (AKA terrorists)...

Like many, I support the PSNI leadership, reject the terrorists, and dismiss the nasty politicians and their divisive agenda.
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08/04/2021 16:06:25 3 0
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Please provide a link to a bus being burnt.
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08/04/2021 15:40:18 2 0
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Excellent news
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08/04/2021 15:14:11 4 20
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People who travel on buses are not that bright.

I remember seeing countless buses go past me during the first lockdown.

The upstairs were empty and everyone crammed into the bottom deck.
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08/04/2021 15:40:19 0 0
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That's really really interesting, my what a fascinating person you are.
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Bob
08/04/2021 15:21:23 3 11
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So presumably somewhere like Felsted. If you live in a rural area you can't expect a direct bus route to every town and city going. Not unless you want to pay £50 a go. Two buses might be a faff but hardly horrific.

It sounds like you want a taxi, not a bus. Or better yet, move.
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08/04/2021 15:40:55 9 1
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"Two buses might be a faff."

No, a faff is a minor inconvenience.

2 buses means if one bus is late for a connection or doesn't turn up at all, as frequently happens, you have to wait another hour or more for the next one. It also means you have to wait around for, often 30 minutes or more for connections due to the poor timetabling.

What do you think employers think of that?
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08/04/2021 15:41:20 6 1
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It's not the buses per se, it the passengers
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08/04/2021 15:41:24 2 3
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They will be empty. Just look at TfL. 70% below pre-pandemic levels.
Return to normal eh! Dirty smelly diesels driven in metronomic style for the great unwashed (literally) and an upper deck the preserve of loud and foul-mouthed clientele Removed
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08/04/2021 15:21:28 25 3
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Back to being crap, late, expensive, infrequent and dirty in Rotherham then, assuming that is they even bother to turn up.
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08/04/2021 15:41:48 22 2
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Not just Rotherham, First Bus here in Somerset are hopelessly unreliable often don't turn up or are so late as to be ridiculous - having been a bus driver before the nationalisation of the industry I'm appalled at the chaos in place of what used to be a reliable functional bus service nationwide.
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08/04/2021 15:48:32 4 0
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Whoops, I meant privatisation, of course!
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08/04/2021 17:02:23 2 0
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Actually, First Bus is privatised and bus services were nationalised in 1947 ... I doubt you were driving then. Bus services should do just that, provide a SERVICE, not profits for private shareholders like Arriva, First, Stagecoach, etc.
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08/04/2021 15:42:00 2 14
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We don't need buses in the same way we don't need trains. If lockdown ends the new normal will be much more home based with little social interaction. As for transport the private car is all we need.
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08/04/2021 15:44:31 0 5
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I've up voted you 3 times but it keeps disappearing.

Will keep trying
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08/04/2021 15:42:25 4 3
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But not pre austerity levels?. The violence elsewhere suggest that until its safe to do so there should be no buses at all
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08/04/2021 15:05:01 22 7
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Quite right too. We are not going to get the economy back on track with half measures.
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08/04/2021 15:42:37 3 3
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Why, with the rise in WFH the buses will be half empty, surely that means it will be a bit of a waste of resources and unnecessary CO2 emissions.
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08/04/2021 15:37:01 5 10
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Well duh! Buses here only allow 20 passengers. Plus couples, people in same household/support bubble are not allowed to sit together.

I’m not going to on a bus until the masks are optional.

Why should I pay for wearing a mask whereas I don’t wear a mask whilst driving or a passenger in my parents’ (in my support bubble) car?
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08/04/2021 15:42:43 8 2
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You really don't get the whole mask thing, do you?

The point is to make it less likely you wil spread the virus to other people...

Or maybe you do get it, but just don't care about anyone outside your bubble!
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08/04/2021 15:59:02 0 1
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Actually, I'm asthmatic so able to wear a mask for 20 mins max. I prefer to wearing a mask for that time as others think I am a covid denier.
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08/04/2021 15:32:23 3 5
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Half the high street looks like it will stay closed. Online shopping is here to stay.

Work from home will not suit everyone - but not many will go back to a full 5 day in the office week.

Lots more people now cycling. Locally electric scooters are available using smart phone. Cheaper and quicker than the bus.

The bus is the last gasp of the 20th century - now close to death!
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08/04/2021 15:42:59 1 0
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You do realise that you'll be paying the council tax that used to be paid by half the high street. You're probably right, but the man will get his tax no matter what. Besides in a argument between an electric scooter and a car, van, lorry or bus there's only going to be one winner.
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08/04/2021 15:38:17 10 4
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Shame we can't just forget plane travel. Bad for the planet and a sure way of bringing the latest exciting new virus variants into our home towns.
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08/04/2021 15:43:09 4 1
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Good for the millions of livelihoods in the UK that depend on the travel and hospitality sector though....
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08/04/2021 15:31:00 15 75
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Actually they work very well in small towns too.

So that counts for most of the country
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08/04/2021 15:44:17 15 2
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Just because you say it doesn't make it true.