Covid: More than enough vaccines for under-30s, says Hancock
08/04/2021 | news | uk | 3,741
The health secretary says the vaccine rollout remains on track to jab all adults by the end of July.
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08/04/2021 09:24:25 68 33
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I really hope Hancock doesn't pretend to cry on TV again. It's bad enough when premiership footballers do it. We don't need our politicians doing it too.
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08/04/2021 09:29:37 11 6
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You should check out his Parkour video for a good laugh
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08/04/2021 09:37:56 12 2
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08/04/2021 09:41:21 7 16
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He will be crying when the youth reject vaccination because it is safer to catch covid.
How are the government going to coerce (Bribe) the youth?
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08/04/2021 09:25:15 102 9
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Let's get the older generation, and the really vulnerable done. There a LOT of second doses coming due over the next few weeks.
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08/04/2021 09:32:41 18 70
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Fingers crossed but i'm not filled with confidence over the "lumpy supply" that they warned us of in April
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08/04/2021 10:50:09 1 2
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They have been done. Let's get the country opened up again. That's the best way to help our young people now.
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08/04/2021 11:04:24 1 3
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Do you think that all the older people don't have a problem with blood clotting then? What about those with heart conditions, autoimmune disease etc...? Things don't get any safer the older your get.
08/04/2021 11:48:34 0 5
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And not force the young to take a vaccine through coercive consent.
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08/04/2021 16:32:19 0 0
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"Done"? Sounds charming
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08/04/2021 09:25:30 11 9
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Well we are MUCH older than the 30s bracket and still haven’t been offered a jab so I can’t see how they will be able to give everyone a jab by July!
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08/04/2021 09:36:50 6 0
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The rollout is roughly 50% the way through the first phase (single dose) and it's taken roughly 3. Months. Work it out.
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08/04/2021 09:42:01 6 1
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Everyone 50 and over has been able to book a jab for about 3 weeks and this has been VERY well publicised. Either you are not that much older than your 30's or perhaps it is time to be proactive and book your slot rather than wait for others to contact you?
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08/04/2021 09:43:46 3 1
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because they have done 31 mil in 3 months, and have 21 mil more to give in another 3 months? They said adults by end of July.
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08/04/2021 10:03:46 1 0
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They have given 31.7 million 1st jabs & 5.7million 2nd at 6th April. The need is to complete 1st/2nd jabs for the first 32million priority groups and to provide 1st jabs for the remaining 21 million adults by end July. (53 million adults in UK).

This requires a run rate of around 12million a month - which is just about bang on the current supply estimate of 2.7m a week being briefed by ministers
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OMG you mean the under 30s who are not at risk from this disease have nothing to fear? Cause they can also get a vaccine for a disease they won't even know they have most likely... What a waste of tax payer's money and a gross infringement on everyone's liberty this has been. And there's only going to be more attempts on your freedoms because of it. Ridiculous overhyped nonsense for a sniffle. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:27:24 1 2
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Please stop
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08/04/2021 09:28:09 0 8
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You're on the wrong site for that type of talk. Most people on here are bootlicking sheep who blindly accept the predetermined narrative, regardless of science.
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08/04/2021 09:30:36 5 1
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Its not a sniffle - saying daft things like this is not really helpful. I assume you don't work in hospitals or you wouldn't say this. I work frontline and this type of thing really makes me think 'whats the point?'
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08/04/2021 09:26:03 9 11
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In Germany rates of rare clotting with AZ was 31 in 2.7m.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are remarkably similar, about 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries and others stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:26:43 5 10
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In the UK the incident rate of rare clotting is a lot lower because AZ has mostly been used in older people, unlike in the EU were it was used in a younger population.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in UK.
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08/04/2021 09:30:17 12 2
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
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08/04/2021 09:35:24 6 0
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But considering the age bracket and health conditions of those who have received the vaccine what would the expected rate of blood clots have been had they not received the vaccine?
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08/04/2021 09:26:04 4 5
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Vaccinate us then boi
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08/04/2021 09:29:07 2 4
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You’ll need chloroform and a straitjacket though
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08/04/2021 09:26:03 9 11
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In Germany rates of rare clotting with AZ was 31 in 2.7m.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are remarkably similar, about 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries and others stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:26:43 5 10
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In the UK the incident rate of rare clotting is a lot lower because AZ has mostly been used in older people, unlike in the EU were it was used in a younger population.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in UK.
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08/04/2021 09:30:06 2 7
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I'm under 50 and would prefer an alternative to AZ knowing what I know.
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08/04/2021 14:40:20 2 0
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You have a 1 in 240 lifetime risk of dying from a car accident, 1 in 20,000 per year. I bet you still use the roads.
OMG you mean the under 30s who are not at risk from this disease have nothing to fear? Cause they can also get a vaccine for a disease they won't even know they have most likely... What a waste of tax payer's money and a gross infringement on everyone's liberty this has been. And there's only going to be more attempts on your freedoms because of it. Ridiculous overhyped nonsense for a sniffle. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:27:24 1 2
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Please stop
OMG you mean the under 30s who are not at risk from this disease have nothing to fear? Cause they can also get a vaccine for a disease they won't even know they have most likely... What a waste of tax payer's money and a gross infringement on everyone's liberty this has been. And there's only going to be more attempts on your freedoms because of it. Ridiculous overhyped nonsense for a sniffle. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:28:09 0 8
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You're on the wrong site for that type of talk. Most people on here are bootlicking sheep who blindly accept the predetermined narrative, regardless of science.
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08/04/2021 09:28:25 11 8
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Do it and be done with.

We need to get back to normality.

Everyone dies one day. That's life.
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08/04/2021 09:31:07 4 7
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"Selfish"
"Your everyone is someone's 40 woodbines a day nan"
"Stay Safe"

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08/04/2021 09:34:36 0 1
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I am not quite ready yet

Ask me again in 20 years if I’m still here
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08/04/2021 09:28:35 581 147
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Let's be perfectly honest - some people will have an adverse reaction to any vaccine - sad that it results in death BUT we really MUST look at the numbers involved and more importantly stop the hysteria prompted by our own media and some foreign governments that the Oxford vaccine is a problem - it is saving lots of lives. BBC and others get real!!!!
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08/04/2021 09:34:33 289 145
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The BBC aren't stating that you shouldn't take the vaccine though, they have just reported what the government announced. I agreed with you up until you decided to take a random swipe at the BBC for no reason other than i'm guessing your agenda.
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08/04/2021 09:34:46 52 32
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Agreed ...TV media thrives on and promotes bad news...trashy journalism
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08/04/2021 09:38:06 23 85
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100% disagree. There are alternative vaccines that does not suffer this problem and UK is expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to number of people vaccinated.

Why risk it? So Boris and Co meet their vaccination targets?
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08/04/2021 09:49:38 22 10
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I am beginning to get a bit concerned about the BBC's 'the one show'. Hyping people up about holidays abroad, really bad one evening about three weeks ago, now their aura about the AZ vaccination.
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08/04/2021 09:49:52 30 19
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Its our own bloody government warning about this too you know. Its not some foreign government MSM conspiracy, some of you really need to take off your tinfoil hats.
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08/04/2021 09:51:21 25 2
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Agree.

Show me a vaccine or drug that has absolutely no side effects whatsoever and is 100% safe and I'll show you a vaccine/drug that is totally ineffective. ALL vaccines/drugs/medical procedures carry some risk.
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08/04/2021 09:50:52 5 22
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Lets be honest they have tried to hide any evidence of this for as long as possible.

We are now at herd immunity and therefore it should come down to choice, especially with the youth.
Anything else is an admission they are unsure about the effectiveness of the vaccine or attempts at control.
Either way statistically the youth are safer from covid - the TRUE facts are finally out there.
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08/04/2021 10:27:15 4 6
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@"sad that it results in death"

Unfortunate if it's you.

But don't create a false dichotomy. There isn't a binary choice of Covid or AZ vaccine.

Other vaccines are available that have had the same level of test/adminstration to the public and haven't shown equivalent levels of risk...plus better efficacy against covid.

I say this with a heavy heart, but the UK vaccine isn't the best available.
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08/04/2021 10:45:36 5 4
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But it does seem now the EEEEEEEEEEEYOU! wasn't quite so **wrong!!** and "anti_BRITISH!! in expressing caution after all
But heck, u-30s - your grandkids - what do they matter?
They should just roll their sleeves up and jolly well get on with it, without question. British Pluck, and all that.
And BBC is reporting what Lord Hancock is telling it, presumably under instructions from Il Duce himself
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08/04/2021 10:47:44 3 5
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I have an adverse reaction whenever I see Laura Kuenssberg on TV.
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08/04/2021 10:35:44 1 5
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No. There is no reliable evidence that the experimental vaccines are saving lives, because we have all been in lockdown.
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08/04/2021 10:54:06 1 5
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We are individuals. COVID doesn't kill people randomly like the plague. It takes out the extremely old, or unhealthy. I am not "the average 30-something" who smokes 50 a day, walks 10 minutes a week, drinks 3 pints a night, and weighs 15 stone. If the government has deemed an obese, smoking, sedentary 29 year old should not take this vaccine, why should I as a much healthier early 30-something?
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08/04/2021 10:55:26 3 1
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"Let's be perfectly honest - some people will have an adverse reaction to any vaccine"

Apparently there are no side effects whatsoever to the Pfizer jab ... maybe because it's much more expensive although I suspect that the media / politicians have an agenda judging by the daily attack on Astra Zeneca.
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08/04/2021 10:55:48 5 0
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Try reading the articles and reports mate. The countries in the 27 said not for over 65's until trials completed, the UK gambled, and thank god it worked. Yo are so writing with an agenda mate. The BBC has never advised against taking the oxford jab. Where is your comment about canada or the USA? Remind us when THEY approved the oxford jab? Silence? YEP. Brexiteer and anti-BBC aren't you
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08/04/2021 11:10:03 3 0
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The gov has effectively stated that the AZ vaccine has a problem AND has taken the unprecedented step of allowing the under 30s to choose a different vaccine because of it. These are facts, this is not hysteria or gloom-spreading. The risks are very low, but they exist and the gov had to face that.
08/04/2021 11:24:21 4 0
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Was with you till the gratuitous swipe at the BBC. This was not only a positive headline news item, but the article clearly *agrees* with you about vaccine risks and benefits. Get real, indeed.
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08/04/2021 09:28:37 56 15
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"But he said the committee, which advises the government on the vaccine rollout, had decided it felt more comfortable if the under-30 age group"

Why? If it's safe and such a low risk of blood clots why change it?

I'm no anti vaxxer and will go and get mine when offered it but they don't instill confidence do they.
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08/04/2021 09:50:33 9 4
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The risk of blood clots seems to be higher in younger population. Still very low though.

So given that other vaccines are available, its a bit of a no-brainer to use AZ for the older population, at least until there is more evidence (it's still possible the blood clots are a coincidence and not related to the AZ vaccine)

Would you have more confidence if they didn't report this?
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08/04/2021 09:51:48 7 2
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Maybe a bit of over-caution, but they've decided that's the best course. I'll get my AZ jab whenever it's due.
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08/04/2021 10:08:37 14 1
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I think the real problem is most people have absolutely no experience of risk management processes in such circumstances. The sort of process that assesses clinical risk is way way different to the everyday risk assessment we undertake in every day life.
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08/04/2021 10:08:50 8 1
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Because there are alternatives and it is better to be safe than sorry rather than adopting a wait and see policy on a possible severe adverse reaction.
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08/04/2021 10:12:40 13 1
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But that's the point - it's all about maintaining confidence. "The risk is minimal but, if you have any doubts or worries, we have an alternative for you"

Meanwhile, for your benefit and for the benefit of society as a whole, please come forward to be vaccinated when called.
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08/04/2021 10:14:44 9 8
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It is because their risk of harm from Covid is so Tiny that the tiny risk from blood clots makes the vaccine more of a danger than them actually getting the disease
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08/04/2021 10:25:10 4 7
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Because it isn’t and the USA and the EU were right.
08/04/2021 11:48:26 2 1
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these people are scientists imagine in years to come they get asked,why did you not offer different vaccines to under 30 , the answer would be we didnt bother because it was just a small number of extra deaths, one is too many
08/04/2021 11:51:21 0 9
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Its not safe for under 30s. That is what the UK regulator said.

This is because the Covid is not really a risk to the under 30s.
08/04/2021 12:01:06 4 0
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Nothing anyone does is 'safe'.......

Going to the shops is not safe, you might have a car crash.
Not going to the shops is not safe, you might starve to death
Sitting in the sun is not safe, you might get skin cancer
Not sitting in the sun is not safe, you might get ricketts.

Truth is probably around women on the pill, but they cannot say that.
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08/04/2021 09:28:39 11 5
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So when will the over 40’s get theirs?...
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08/04/2021 09:54:17 4 1
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Book from midday if you are in Northern Ireland
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08/04/2021 09:29:17 288 29
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There are rare side effects in all drugs, including common things like paracetamol, the contraceptive pill and statins. Most people will regularly take some sort of pill which has a similar risk profile as the AstraZeneca jab. It's just with vaccines, these tiny risks are blown out of proportion in hysteria.
Don’t fancy taking anything that has the strong potential of killing me.

Why didn’t Johnson have this tested properly?

Oh that’s right he was trying to beat the EU.

Nutter.
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08/04/2021 10:34:50 2 3
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But they have all been fully trialled and we are aware of that.

do you know what increased side effects to flying within 2 weeks of having an AZ jab are? Is there an increased risk to clotting?

No you don't and nor do I.

It is an experimental vaccine and 31.5m are the experiment to date.

If the vaccine works then statistically and for the NHS there is no further reason to lockdown.
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08/04/2021 11:04:47 0 2
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The same hysteria that came from C-19?
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08/04/2021 11:19:45 1 0
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But there is a risk, a measurable risk and the GOV is duty bound to inform the people and offer an alternative. Unlike so many they just cannot take the view that it will be OK because the risks are very low, the AZ vaccine is good-old British (by jove!) and ignore the facts spouting guff about hysteria.
08/04/2021 11:43:53 1 3
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Yes but how many of the drugs you are talking about are experimental? If you're happy to be part of a mass clinical trial then knock yourself out. I'll wait until the trial ends in 2023 if it's all the same with you.
08/04/2021 11:53:18 1 0
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Recall the Thalidomide tragedy in my childhood. The more treatments/vaccines are monitored, and doctors listened to, the sooner science changes the drug, or its use or withdraws it. In the same way, study of Cot Death in the 1980s suggested babies who slept on their backs were less likely to die and "Back to Sleep" changed habits. Monitoring saves lives, despite tiny risks, mustn't be supressed.
08/04/2021 12:22:53 2 0
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Look at any medication and you'll get a list of side effects some severe. Anything from blood pressure, post cancer treatment to contraception and basic over the counter drugs. Who actually reads the leaflet that lists side effects? Nobody. People are happy to pop pills insist their doctor gives them something when they don't feel well. This preventative vaccine is no different just get it done.
08/04/2021 16:00:21 0 0
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Viagra was mostly a side effect
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08/04/2021 09:29:33 26 9
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I guess no vacation is 100 percent safe, and it better than getting covid.
It's also the only thing this government got right in the whole covid mess
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08/04/2021 09:31:46 18 62
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Yes, getting a vaccine is better than getting an asymptomatic virus that you don't even notice. Do you even listen to yourself before you say things?
08/04/2021 14:25:19 1 0
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I agree a vacation, or holiday, is better than getting covid
08/04/2021 17:30:49 1 0
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The NHS Got it right because they stopped the Government interfering
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08/04/2021 09:29:40 16 11
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I have full confidence in everything Mr Hancock says. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to slip back into my straitjacket before the nurses catch me again
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08/04/2021 09:29:41 14 14
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So does that mean the EU were right to stop vaccinating? Whilst many in the UK looked down their noses at them as scaremongerers
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08/04/2021 09:32:37 13 3
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No it doesn't mean that at all....the EMA themselves recommend AZ vaccine is still used for ALL age groups....PS EMA = EUROPEAN Medicines Agency....clue is in the name !!
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08/04/2021 09:38:54 2 0
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No...it has resulted in far more unnecessary deaths...look at the figures...
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08/04/2021 09:56:57 2 0
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No, it doesn't. It's a huge overreaction that condemns more people to die from covid.
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08/04/2021 09:29:42 11 12
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So cases have fallen dramatically ...because of the jab ...we're told.
BUT they said most of the elderly were isolating and the under 30's were responsible for spreading Covid - but they have not had the jab? So why have cases fallen? It does not equate!
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08/04/2021 09:39:33 1 3
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Nor does the fact that once over 50's are jabbed that statistically it is not safe to reopen society other than those who wish to remain shielding before being vaccinated.
Or do they not really know if the vaccine protects people yet, or how much you can still spread covid once vaccinated, remember there are 31 million so far in the trial.
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08/04/2021 09:53:32 3 2
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Who told you most of the elderly were isolating. The army of "they". In that case "they" also told you to keep your hand down and say nothing if you had nothing intelligent to add. Educate yourself about chains of transmission and for the sake of humanity please refrain from passing your genes on.
08/04/2021 13:24:26 0 0
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Orwellian Double-think
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08/04/2021 09:29:45 4 6
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Can we please keep EU/Brexit nonsense out of this thread.
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08/04/2021 09:39:03 2 7
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brexit nonsense affects everything.
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08/04/2021 09:29:56 4 3
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Interesting... It sounds that all over 30 have already been done. When did I miss mine?
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08/04/2021 09:32:34 0 4
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You missed it in March
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08/04/2021 09:29:57 5 5
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Let's have special vaccines for different sections of society. One for the under 30s. One for the over 30s. One for ethnic groups. One for the self employed. Why not? Every section of society apart from the first level of vulnerable society that was identified has complained about every aspect of the vaccine strategy. Now we pander to Twitter power. Leave them to fend for themselves.
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08/04/2021 09:30:00 3 4
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A fortnight ago now it was announced that household contacts of the severely immunosuppressed (who are less likely to get protection from the vaccine) would be put into group 6

A week ago the NHS sent a letter to all GPs and CCGs

Yet *still* I'm getting nowhere with trying to book a vaccine under this new prioritisation.

More bothered about headlines than facts on the ground, perhaps?
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08/04/2021 09:30:05 12 15
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First it was 2 weeks to ease pressure on the NHS. Here we are over a year later.

First it was top 10 vulnerable groups which would stop 99.9% of unnecessary deaths and here we are talking about stripping young people of a social life unless they take a vaccine which will mostly be unnecessary.
08/04/2021 11:41:03 1 1
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Are you being deliberately obtuse?

Did you not notice how the number of hospitalisations fluctuated directly in line with the varying degrees of lockdown? Can you not see that the more people we get vaccinated the fewer people there are in hospital?
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08/04/2021 09:26:43 5 10
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In the UK the incident rate of rare clotting is a lot lower because AZ has mostly been used in older people, unlike in the EU were it was used in a younger population.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in UK.
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08/04/2021 09:30:06 2 7
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I'm under 50 and would prefer an alternative to AZ knowing what I know.
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08/04/2021 09:26:03 9 11
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In Germany rates of rare clotting with AZ was 31 in 2.7m.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are remarkably similar, about 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries and others stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:30:17 12 2
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
What a mistake it is to compare a new novel 'DNA vaccine' to any of those conditions you've just described.

DNA vaccines such as AZ have never been approved before now for general human use.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_vaccine

and

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/RNA_Vaccines_White_Paper_Moderna_050317_v8_4.pdf
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08/04/2021 09:30:22 6 10
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Hey, kids - we can't give this vaccine away now that the secret is out, but trust me on this.
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:32:10 5 2
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Just decline it then. Why the silly fuss you are making?
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08/04/2021 09:33:55 6 2
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Apart from the hundreds of thousands of vulnerable cancer patients, and those with severe autoimmune disease (rhumatoid arthritis, Behcets, Crohn's....it's a long list), for whom the vaccine is very likely to be much less effective. People like them are relying on enough others to be vaccinated.

Many of these are people with plenty of life left ahead of them, and they're currently stuffed
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08/04/2021 09:34:50 5 2
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Having the vaccine reduces transmission
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08/04/2021 09:36:01 7 1
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The threat isn't to the under 30's though. If all under 30's go unvaccinated that allows Covid to continue to spread and potentially mutate.

There is always a risk that the current vaccines could not combat a potential future mutation caused by its spread among the unvaccinated and we are back to square 1.
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08/04/2021 09:36:58 4 3
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You'll get down voted for that, but I'm fairly sure I've got more chance of being killed by bees at my age than Covid.

Personally don't really care about rare side effects..

I'm getting it because the writing is on the wall.. If I refuse, the state apparatus to coerce me to get it will be up and running soon. i.e "you will never see a sunny country or a pub/restaurant ever again, citizen"
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OMG you mean the under 30s who are not at risk from this disease have nothing to fear? Cause they can also get a vaccine for a disease they won't even know they have most likely... What a waste of tax payer's money and a gross infringement on everyone's liberty this has been. And there's only going to be more attempts on your freedoms because of it. Ridiculous overhyped nonsense for a sniffle. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:30:36 5 1
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Its not a sniffle - saying daft things like this is not really helpful. I assume you don't work in hospitals or you wouldn't say this. I work frontline and this type of thing really makes me think 'whats the point?'
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08/04/2021 09:32:58 3 0
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Makes me think its a shame covid didnt target stupid people. This would have over a long time ago if it did
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I'm under 50 and would like an alternative to AZ knowing what I know about it.
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08/04/2021 09:32:29 7 8
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Me too. Completely agree.
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08/04/2021 09:35:12 6 1
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And what do you "know" about it? Are you a doctor? Or a scientist? Or just someone who says they "know" something about anything they have read in the media?
I wonder,which are you, hmmm?
08/04/2021 12:43:56 1 0
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There are typically around 2 - 9 deaths from bee stings each year in the UK.

Does that also scare the pants off you? If not, why not?
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08/04/2021 09:28:25 11 8
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Do it and be done with.

We need to get back to normality.

Everyone dies one day. That's life.
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08/04/2021 09:31:07 4 7
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"Selfish"
"Your everyone is someone's 40 woodbines a day nan"
"Stay Safe"

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The safe vaccine being given to the young but the old most likely to get blood clots not. Forgive me but in many novels that has been associated with euthanasia, and harvesting of the elderly. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:38:03 0 0
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Novels! Not real life. What would you "harvest" from the elderly?
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
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No. But nor do we tell certain age groups to fly with different airlines.
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08/04/2021 09:40:36 16 74
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There's a big difference between flying with BA and flying in some old cessna...
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08/04/2021 09:36:57 36 103
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But how does the AZ vaccine react with all of those things you mention?
That is what we are only starting to discover isn't it........
This time next year imagine what we could all know about it.........
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08/04/2021 09:47:00 50 55
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Can we stop using this 1 in a million figure and comparing it to flying or the pill - that figure comes from the UK total at the moment because the vast majority of the AZ vaccines administered have been to older people. If you look at the data for younger people in the UK and Europe it's closer to 1 in 90,000
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Let's not forget lockdowns contribute to blood clots as well.
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Nor we asking for pill passports.
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08/04/2021 09:53:56 26 60
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They are not telling us how many cases of blood clots there are just 79 cases of CVST. How many cases of blood clots elsewhere in the body, undiscovered? 99,817 adverse reactions to AZ reported but the yellow card report does not say how many were blood clots. If they want people to have confidence then release the figures.
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You so miss the point of medical ethics it is astounding. Before giving people vaccines we should know exactly how they react in all the scenarios you mention.
We threw all medical ethics out of the window with this vaccine - imagine what else could be discovered down the line.
That is not anti vaccer - that is medical ethics.
The young should not be vaccinated until ALL trials are complete.
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08/04/2021 10:01:34 17 29
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3 deaths due to CVST from 1.6m vaccinated people aged under 30. 16 deaths from 25m aged >30. The death rate is slightly higher in the over 30s. So why have they chosen 30 as the cut off. Simply because they have enough non-AZ vac for this cohort. Scientific rationale NIL.
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08/04/2021 10:08:24 11 3
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No, we give them the freedom to make their own decisions.

Giving freedom to others is what decent people do.
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08/04/2021 10:08:54 10 0
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and this is listed as side effect, as it should with AZ, women at risk are offered different brands or advised against the pill. Always have been
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08/04/2021 10:21:19 7 7
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@"are far higher than the AZ jab"

But you're creating a false dichotomy

The choice isn't AZ or Covid.

There are other vaccines available that haven't shown the same level of risk.

Nearly all of Israel has been vaccinated with the pfizer vaccine, and no equivalent issues have been seen

Around half the vaccines in the UK have been pfizer, and no equivalent issues have been seen.
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08/04/2021 10:27:43 8 1
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But what counts is not the fact that the AZ side effects are milder than those of other medications, but that they are greater of the effects of the virus.
And this is exactly the case for people under 30 of age.
Do you get it now?
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08/04/2021 10:35:52 3 0
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It's all about perceived risk/benefit. We typically think a lot using our emotional part of the brain. It is hard to convince people that a pill for not getting pregnant is riskier than a jab for a disease that perhaps hasn't affected people around them much. Stats are great but unfortunately (or fortunately?) that's not how most people base their decisions
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08/04/2021 10:37:04 1 1
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Why not combine the two, take the pill and fly...
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Bob
08/04/2021 10:43:59 14 3
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You have totally misunderstood the issue.

20-somethings are very likely to catch the virus, they therefore can pass it on. So whilst they are unlikely to die from COVID, they can inflict it. So they need vaccination.

However, because they're unlikely to die, if there's a greater risk of dying from the vaccine than actual disease, then you look for an alternative.

Leave nationalism at the door.
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08/04/2021 10:44:58 3 10
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Smoking is a choice; taking the 'pill' is a choice; I do neither because i do not wish to risk my health for no reason (i.e. getting a nicotine hit, or because I'm horny and want to avoid getting pregnant). I'm early 30s and extremely healthy. COVID isn't going to do me in. I don't want to play "brain blood clot" roulette. 29 year olds are being told to not take the vaccine. Therefore I won't.
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08/04/2021 10:45:15 6 5
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Hancock is a fool. There is a far higher risk from long haul flying in economy than there is from this vaccine. Saying the two are equivalent is going to put more people off. He is meaning flying business class like he does.
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08/04/2021 10:47:51 2 0
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No, but we're not coercing women to do these things either. This is not an efficacy debate, it's an ethics debate.
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08/04/2021 10:52:20 5 5
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Get you vaccine but remember the following: You can STILL spread the VIRUS and get the VIRUS again. You have 15% chance of adverse effects. You have a certain chance of becoming sterile You must STILL wear a mask You must STILL social distance. You only get 6 months immunity. You have 0 manufacturers liability. Congratulations! You're immunised against a virus YOU had 99.8% chance of surviving.
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08/04/2021 09:31:44 4 3
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And then a week later, we'll hear there's a vaccine supply issue
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08/04/2021 09:29:33 26 9
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I guess no vacation is 100 percent safe, and it better than getting covid.
It's also the only thing this government got right in the whole covid mess
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08/04/2021 09:31:46 18 62
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Yes, getting a vaccine is better than getting an asymptomatic virus that you don't even notice. Do you even listen to yourself before you say things?
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08/04/2021 09:41:03 13 3
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Pot, kettle spring to mind
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08/04/2021 09:45:11 23 4
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"A virus that you don't even notice"

Presuming you're referring to under 30s but still a very high percentage will notice it, some will be impacted long term and all could pass it on to someone older and more vulnerable. Remember vaccines don't garentee 100% of recipients immunity.

Your point of view plastered all over this hys is moronic at best, dangerous at worst. Selfish, think about others
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08/04/2021 10:07:44 16 1
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Suggest 130,000 plus people noticed.
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08/04/2021 11:10:09 8 1
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Not quite so straightforward if you are one of the many that finish up in ICU or worse dead.
08/04/2021 11:57:13 3 4
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Too busy listening to the other brainwashed sheep around them. Who all think the farmer has their best interests at heart.
08/04/2021 13:06:30 5 2
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And what about those who you pass the virus on to while asymptomatic? Do you even listen to yourself before you say things?
08/04/2021 18:47:57 2 1
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Why no expert is confirming that after being vaccinated you still spread the virus ad much as person who wasn't vaccinated.
It was said many times but between the lines.
Big farm needs the profits!
No room for rational thinking.
Shipland baaa, baaa
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08/04/2021 09:31:46 68 4
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The vaccine program has already been a success, millions of the most vulnerable are doubled jabbed and the next layer have had one jab.

The job can be finished with a selection of vaccines (including AZ) as they become available.
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08/04/2021 10:52:55 26 60
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Hooray! And still we won't get our freedom back. So who cares?
08/04/2021 12:05:48 3 15
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Yehhh party time only 123k dead..we can now finish the rest of .
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08/04/2021 14:26:41 2 1
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Yes the vaccine 'program' may have been a success......let's hope the vaccines 'effectiveness' is a success.....only time will tell as people are allowed out. The only problem is that as we are coming into summer we will see much lower cases as was true during 2020 (without a vaccine) and come autumn time they'll be telling us all to get another round of vaccines.
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08/04/2021 09:29:17 288 29
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There are rare side effects in all drugs, including common things like paracetamol, the contraceptive pill and statins. Most people will regularly take some sort of pill which has a similar risk profile as the AstraZeneca jab. It's just with vaccines, these tiny risks are blown out of proportion in hysteria.
Don’t fancy taking anything that has the strong potential of killing me.

Why didn’t Johnson have this tested properly?

Oh that’s right he was trying to beat the EU.

Nutter.
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08/04/2021 09:40:47 14 4
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Calm down.
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08/04/2021 09:36:45 30 4
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Better lock your doors then, don't drive and sit in a corner with a blanket on your head...
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08/04/2021 09:44:18 24 5
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Because he was trying to save peoples lives.
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08/04/2021 09:49:02 12 3
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Johnson isn't a chemist, or anything to do with the development and roll-out process of the AZ vaccine, but then those who prefer to preach politics about everything aren't bright enough to notice that elephant in the room.
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08/04/2021 09:49:39 42 3
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If you think seven deaths out of ~20 million AZ vaccines given in the UK represents a "strong potential of killing" you then you're really not going to like hearing about the risks associated with being in a car, walking, taking paracetamol or just being over the age of 50 in general.
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08/04/2021 09:49:55 30 3
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Better stay in bed all your life then, but eventually you'll die there too. You do realise that Johnson isn't a scientist and had nothing to with the vaccine other that authorising the financing? Naff all to do with beating anybody; don't be so daft.
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08/04/2021 09:51:55 12 3
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The risk is one in 250k people. So to test this it would need to be given to a few million people.

Simpleton.
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08/04/2021 09:52:34 12 10
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Now, now Billy, showing your leftie colours there.
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08/04/2021 09:52:42 27 0
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There are many things that may kill a person, including their own stupidity. Fine if you want to remain in lockdown sin die to protect yourself then fine.
The vaccines have been tested but with any mass vaccination there will be people with rare conditions that are not included in the trials.
Also remember that Pfizer was the first UK approved vaccine, not AZ
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08/04/2021 09:53:04 31 1
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Are you in favour of banning peanut butter? For some people with nut allergies it 'has the strong potential of killing' them. Yet the companies who produce it know this and make it anyway. Plenty of things have side effects, some serious to a tiny minority. Once we know what they are, we take them into account and move on, as we're doing with AstraZeneca.
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08/04/2021 09:56:36 7 1
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What "strong potential" you have more chance of being hit by a bus.
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08/04/2021 09:56:38 1 1
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....nutter indeed.....but not Bunter mate.
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08/04/2021 09:58:33 13 2
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It was tested properly. Drug tests generally involve 20,000 to 40,000 volunteers. The blood clot risk if its proven, currently its still being investigated, so how would you expect to detect a rare side effect that is said to affect 4 in one million people in a sample of 20k-40k?

Covid is far more likely to kill you than the vaccine. Clearly you have no knowledge of risk assessment.
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08/04/2021 10:02:43 6 1
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Risk is all around. You risk your life putting trousers on, because of those rare trouser-related deaths that occur every year. And the risk increases when you put socks on too. So are you going to stop wearing trousers and socks on that basis?
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08/04/2021 10:13:34 1 1
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You tell it like it is Comrade...??
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08/04/2021 10:14:00 2 0
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You must be so thick it is unbelievable.
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08/04/2021 09:32:04 15 3
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No one knows for sure whether any of the vaccines are totally safe.

In the meantime we need to put our faith in the scientist.

We also, more worryingly, need to have faith that the politicians are telling us what the scientists are telling them.
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I don't think people were as doubting with Pasteur and Jenner and their breakthroughs - hooray for social media and the world no longer 'needing experts'!!
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:32:10 5 2
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Just decline it then. Why the silly fuss you are making?
08/04/2021 13:01:50 1 1
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I'd be perfectly happy with that as an option. But the COVID passports mean by making a private medical decision, my liberty then becomes permanently restricted. It's wildly immoral.
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08/04/2021 09:32:13 25 3
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The list of adverse effects in every over-the-counter medicine is enough to put you off. Jansen, Moderna, and all the other Covid vaccines coming down the line, may well throw up unexpected side effects because, as yet, they haven't been given to as many people as the Oxford/AstraZeneca one. The 'tweaked' booster coming in the autumn may also have further odd effects.
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08/04/2021 10:23:36 9 4
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Surely people have had heart attacks within a week of having a jab, why are the fear mongers not trying to link any medical condition with vaccines !!!
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08/04/2021 09:32:28 201 28
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It’s ironic and I feel a bit bad for AZ. They are selling this vaccine at cost and not making any profit yet they have lambasted, especially by the EU. I’m not disregarding issues with clots but does seem a bit unfair.
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Who has lambasted AZ? Nobody as far as I am aware! As for your comment about the EU, some countries including some non EU countries have been cautious that bit earlier than the UK has been which is another example of the UK arriving at the party late!
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08/04/2021 10:03:54 4 9
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It reminds me of smoking companies in the 60’s paying “scientists” to say smoking was healthy.
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08/04/2021 10:05:16 6 10
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Switzerland, Canada, Japan, Norway. None are in the EU. All stopped using AZ. Ask yourself why?
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08/04/2021 10:05:21 10 6
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Perhaps someone on the BBC and other media outlets is on the payroll of another Vaccine manufacturer who stands to make a big profit?. It's not beyond reasonable doubt you know. Those who control the information are in control of the result...
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08/04/2021 10:05:22 12 3
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It has and will result in organisations carefully considering how they work with the EU (for example, Novavax). Of course, it won't be reported here though.
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08/04/2021 10:13:21 23 9
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The EU are desperate The pandemic has show them to be worse than useless -actually downright dangerous.
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08/04/2021 11:14:01 4 3
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My goodness you're blinded by hatred. It wasn't the EU, it was countries within it and they were accompanied by plenty of other countries outside the EU. Somehow though, they're still at fault, even though it's looking increasingly likely that they were right to have concerns that needed investigating ?????
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08/04/2021 11:14:20 5 2
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Not "the EU". Some European countries.

The EU medicine agency repeatedly said that it's safe.

No doubt those European countries have their fair share of idiots too, and those idiots fixate onto the vaccine, just like our own fixate onto "leave".
08/04/2021 11:49:53 2 1
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Why would you feel bad for a multi national multi billion pound company? I'm sure they'll be fine...
08/04/2021 11:56:04 7 3
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EU again. Australia now joined the long list.any criticism of them. Doubt it.
08/04/2021 13:59:11 2 1
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AZ have brought it upon themselves though, they've bumbled this whole thing. Their mouth piece was constantly bragging about how they were in the lead, but then Pfizer and Moderna beat them to market, they messed up the dosages during trials and used this to give a false efficacy rating, and they didn't have a sufficient cohort of over 65s. It's not surprising trust is in short supply with them.
08/04/2021 15:04:35 0 2
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Doctors are not administring at cost they are making millions
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08/04/2021 15:41:08 0 0
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They said it was 100% safe and the BBC printed paged of fawning praise while people like me who outlined the trials were extremely limited and designed to give best case results & that an experimental vaccine could not be considered 100% safe was called a crazy anti vaxer.
This is tip of the iceberg, vaccine damage is notoriously underreported & we have no idea of the long term effects.
08/04/2021 17:08:16 0 0
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"especially by the EU"

The official EU medical agency have recommended its use. The EU has not lambasted it at all. Some sovereign nations within the EU have taken their own decision. Same as when the UK took some decisions on its own accord prior to the transition period ending Jan 2021, it was not the EU doing it.
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08/04/2021 09:30:45 9 18
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I'm under 50 and would like an alternative to AZ knowing what I know about it.
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08/04/2021 09:32:29 7 8
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Me too. Completely agree.
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08/04/2021 09:29:56 4 3
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Interesting... It sounds that all over 30 have already been done. When did I miss mine?
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08/04/2021 09:32:34 0 4
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You missed it in March
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08/04/2021 09:29:41 14 14
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So does that mean the EU were right to stop vaccinating? Whilst many in the UK looked down their noses at them as scaremongerers
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08/04/2021 09:32:37 13 3
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No it doesn't mean that at all....the EMA themselves recommend AZ vaccine is still used for ALL age groups....PS EMA = EUROPEAN Medicines Agency....clue is in the name !!
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08/04/2021 09:25:15 102 9
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Let's get the older generation, and the really vulnerable done. There a LOT of second doses coming due over the next few weeks.
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08/04/2021 09:32:41 18 70
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Fingers crossed but i'm not filled with confidence over the "lumpy supply" that they warned us of in April
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08/04/2021 09:36:22 7 3
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I agree, always a risk leaving the second dose to the last minute, you need everything to go absolutely to plan - there's no "wiggle room" left.
08/04/2021 15:44:06 0 0
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Read the article. Vaccination rates are back up after a slow period. Nearly half a million a day.
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08/04/2021 09:26:04 4 5
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Vaccinate us then boi
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08/04/2021 09:29:07 2 4
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You’ll need chloroform and a straitjacket though
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08/04/2021 10:40:01 3 1
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Sounds like the straightjacket should be mandatory PPE for you anyway.
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08/04/2021 09:24:25 68 33
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I really hope Hancock doesn't pretend to cry on TV again. It's bad enough when premiership footballers do it. We don't need our politicians doing it too.
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08/04/2021 09:29:37 11 6
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You should check out his Parkour video for a good laugh
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08/04/2021 09:30:36 5 1
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Its not a sniffle - saying daft things like this is not really helpful. I assume you don't work in hospitals or you wouldn't say this. I work frontline and this type of thing really makes me think 'whats the point?'
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Dom
08/04/2021 09:32:58 3 0
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Makes me think its a shame covid didnt target stupid people. This would have over a long time ago if it did
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08/04/2021 09:30:17 12 2
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
What a mistake it is to compare a new novel 'DNA vaccine' to any of those conditions you've just described.

DNA vaccines such as AZ have never been approved before now for general human use.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_vaccine

and

https://www.modernatx.com/sites/default/files/RNA_Vaccines_White_Paper_Moderna_050317_v8_4.pdf
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pjl
08/04/2021 09:45:16 13 0
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AZ is not a DNA vaccine. Simple research would tell you that but you'd rather spread lies instead. Why is that?
08/04/2021 12:37:51 0 1
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"DNA vaccines such as AZ have never been approved before now for general human use"

1st time for everything, doesn't mean it's bad, severe sife effects are extremely low

Ok in your opinion it's a mistake
So do tell what the incidence of getting a clot from all those other thing compared to getting one from the AZ vax?
What else can you compare to?
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08/04/2021 09:33:36 5 4
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Since when did the 30-40's get offered theirs - I'm still waiting!
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08/04/2021 09:33:47 354 41
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You've got more chance getting a blood clot from a flight (0.1%), then getting a blood clot from the AZ vaccine (0.001%).
For healthy under 30s you have more chance of getting a blood clot from the AZ vaccine (0.001%) than you have from dying of covid (0%). Removed
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08/04/2021 10:04:03 38 5
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Actually the risk of dying from an AZ associated blood clot is said to be 0.000095%.

For info I've had my first dose of the AZ vaccine and will get the second. Any anti vexers out there want to give up their dose I'll take it!
08/04/2021 11:21:29 3 0
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Many people play the lottery each week truly expecting to win the jackpot to which the odds or minuscule. Many people have difficulty envisioning odds in a logical way.
08/04/2021 11:30:20 0 0
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Precisely why I don't fly.... think on...
08/04/2021 12:06:18 2 1
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You can choose whether you fly or not. Thus, as long as everyone gets a choice over which vaccine they can have. then it's not a problem. The Government now appear to have been forced into recognising this.
If you are aged abouve 50 (the group the uk has vaccinated)

The risk is higher in the under 50s (the group at least risk from coronavirus)

EU nations are rationing the jab like this

The uk is bulling ahead almost as planned

Guess the dreaded EU were correct all along.......
08/04/2021 13:11:05 0 0
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Whether you are likely to get a clot or not is very likely dependent upon your individual risk profile. For example, a familial history of clotting problems may make you more at risk
08/04/2021 14:49:15 3 2
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My chance of dying from Covid is next to zero. I'll pass on the vaccine
08/04/2021 14:55:05 3 2
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yes, and about the same chance of ending up in the hospital with Covid if you are under 30, so it should be all about choice really. The relentless hammering down of the need to take the vaccine no matter your age and health profile is really tiring and annoying, I wish it just stopped.
08/04/2021 20:21:12 0 0
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That doesn't surprise me, and the most dangerous thing most young people do is to get into a car.
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08/04/2021 09:33:50 17 15
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Great. Rejoice. Ignore the dismal Desmonds and Chip on the shoulder brigades. We're ahead of most countries in vaccinating.
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08/04/2021 09:43:21 8 7
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Sad comment - this isn't a footy match .
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08/04/2021 09:52:45 3 0
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We also plan to fly out to Europe in droves for our summer holidays apparently. Grand to bring back a mutant and send us scrambling to vaccinate everyone again.
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08/04/2021 10:26:15 1 0
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“We're ahead of most countries in vaccinating.”

—-

That’s OK for the UK as long as it can stay detached from the world.

The whole world needs to catch up with vaccination and that needs a big step-up in vaccine production.
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:33:55 6 2
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Apart from the hundreds of thousands of vulnerable cancer patients, and those with severe autoimmune disease (rhumatoid arthritis, Behcets, Crohn's....it's a long list), for whom the vaccine is very likely to be much less effective. People like them are relying on enough others to be vaccinated.

Many of these are people with plenty of life left ahead of them, and they're currently stuffed
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08/04/2021 09:28:35 581 147
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Let's be perfectly honest - some people will have an adverse reaction to any vaccine - sad that it results in death BUT we really MUST look at the numbers involved and more importantly stop the hysteria prompted by our own media and some foreign governments that the Oxford vaccine is a problem - it is saving lots of lives. BBC and others get real!!!!
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08/04/2021 09:34:33 289 145
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The BBC aren't stating that you shouldn't take the vaccine though, they have just reported what the government announced. I agreed with you up until you decided to take a random swipe at the BBC for no reason other than i'm guessing your agenda.
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08/04/2021 09:44:33 39 24
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No, but they are continuing to stoke the fires of something they shouldn't. The public interest is not being served here at all. The vanishingly small numbers of those affected tell you it's not somnething to worry about much at all.
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08/04/2021 09:48:54 6 41
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The BBC aren't saying anything, they are just reporting the views of their peers, don't worry if it goes wrong the BBC will say it was 'mislead'.
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08/04/2021 09:44:20 17 13
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Nobody really cares what you agree with - especially when you start talking about other people having an agenda. Pot kettle Black.
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08/04/2021 09:54:12 8 26
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Any reason for a ‘random swipe at the BBC’ is a good reason as far as I’m concerned.

They’ve hounded the government with their bourgeois left leaning negativity for years now, over Covid, and Brexit and deserve every swipe they get.
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08/04/2021 10:04:31 5 10
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No. But they are stirring discontent by putting a “have your say” with the article. It invites in people with different agendas.
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08/04/2021 11:11:30 0 3
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Maybe it's because you're responding to a BBC story, reported on a BBC website by a BBC reporter. Derrrrrrrrrr
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08/04/2021 11:12:37 5 0
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He did (and it will be a he) add the "BBC and others" but the motives are clear. Apparently the same news story run by the BBC can cause more hysteria than elsewhere. Possibly because it is the trusted source...they love it and hate it at the same time.
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08/04/2021 09:34:38 3 7
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Covid: More than enough vaccines for under-30s, says Hancock"

All I see is a skipping Easter Bunny ?? ??
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08/04/2021 09:37:55 5 1
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All I see in this post is someone greasy.
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:34:50 5 2
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Having the vaccine reduces transmission
08/04/2021 13:03:06 0 0
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Which doesn't matter because herd immunity is inevitable.
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08/04/2021 09:34:52 14 18
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I cant get away from the storm made by the press, more so this Gov on EU being petty about the Oxford jab when clearly something was up and the EU were being far more honest about it. I suspect Bojo & Co knew this & hid it, worse still framed it in an anti EU light. I have had it and would again and recognise the risk is small, but our Gov misled us all along, they knew it was an issue I think,
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08/04/2021 09:37:12 10 2
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It's not hidden and no one has been misled. AZ vaccine is very safe, safer than the OCP many young women choose to take.
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08/04/2021 09:47:54 1 0
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Pfizer has had the same problem but we don't hear about that. All vaccines have a risk . I know someone who had brain damage from the whooping cough vaccine years ago. The Dr's know about this problem and that is why you have to report any side effects that last more than a couple of days.
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08/04/2021 09:50:32 1 0
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Only problem with your argument Mike is that those in the EU - Macron, Merkel, were saying there were problems with the AZ vaccine long BEFORE there was any evidence to say it. Also, they were factually wrong about what the eventual issue was and finally, they massively over stated the problem, causing reluctance to take the vaccine in the EU and DIRECTLY costing the lives of EU citizens.
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08/04/2021 09:35:05 11 10
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Yet this same person denied the Police and other public-facing first responders any priority for the vaccine, just a few weeks ago..
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08/04/2021 09:50:11 4 0
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What's your point? That decision was based on medical advice, which remains the same. There is absolutely no change in the age-based priorities - all they're saying is that to reduce a miniscule risk still further, when the time comes for the under 30's to get their jabs, they should be given non-AZ doses where possible.
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08/04/2021 09:30:45 9 18
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I'm under 50 and would like an alternative to AZ knowing what I know about it.
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08/04/2021 09:35:12 6 1
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And what do you "know" about it? Are you a doctor? Or a scientist? Or just someone who says they "know" something about anything they have read in the media?
I wonder,which are you, hmmm?
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08/04/2021 09:39:13 1 5
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You seem to think the deaths from blood clotting are made up.

Catch a grip of yourself.
08/04/2021 11:40:32 0 0
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Which are you?
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08/04/2021 09:26:03 9 11
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In Germany rates of rare clotting with AZ was 31 in 2.7m.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are remarkably similar, about 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries and others stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:35:24 6 0
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But considering the age bracket and health conditions of those who have received the vaccine what would the expected rate of blood clots have been had they not received the vaccine?
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08/04/2021 09:35:25 11 10
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The young have sacrificed more than enough to enable protection of the vulnerable and elderly.

The very least Hancock can do is get the young vaccinated pronto.

What a kick in the teeth it would be if they had to put their lives on hold for longer.
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08/04/2021 09:52:12 1 1
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Well said
08/04/2021 18:03:42 0 0
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What exactly have they "sacrificed" ?
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08/04/2021 09:35:33 6 12
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no jab for me until all restrictions on lives and businesses are gone, and until domestic covid passports have been confined to thr dustbin of history.
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08/04/2021 09:40:29 6 4
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Fool!
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08/04/2021 09:35:42 323 21
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According to reliable reports from the USA, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are also linked with abnormally low platelet counts and thrombocytopenia from as far back as January:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/90917
This suggests that ALL vaccines carry a similar, miniscule risk. So why is AZ being singled out?
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08/04/2021 09:41:28 245 26
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AZ is not for profit. Pfizer and Moderna isn't.
Follow the money!
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08/04/2021 09:41:54 9 0
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That's what I want to know.
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08/04/2021 09:47:39 30 4
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Possibly because AZ aren't paying the right PR consultants? Can't help thinking that among the many Covid-related scandals likely to emerge a few years hence, there are going to be quite a few politicians around the world who will turn out to have received backhanders from Pfizer et al to dis the competition.
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08/04/2021 10:06:33 14 4
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The UK MHRA AND JCVI are going by the data. There is no conspiracy. AstraZeneca has probably been used on more younger people than Pfizer so rare adverse reactions in younger people have been picked up in numbers indicating it may not be random chance.
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08/04/2021 10:20:47 9 8
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Cos it’s British.
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08/04/2021 10:43:12 4 1
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It's the vaccine the UK has used the most.
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08/04/2021 10:38:52 1 24
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Because according to the government/Oxford records, over 400 people have died after taking it, and hundreds of thousands recorded as having adverse reactions. (Look it up!) The media (pure propaganda), of course, will not tell you this.
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08/04/2021 11:12:14 1 0
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True - but why are only younger people being identified as having a risk factor? Older people can be on the pill or have conditions that make their blood sticky and at risk from clots...
08/04/2021 11:20:51 3 0
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It looks like it may be true for all vaccines, they quote a number for the measles vaccination that is higher than any of the covid vaccines
08/04/2021 11:24:44 4 2
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Yes exactly. Why is this news suppressed by the media? Because huge profits are in Pfizer and Moderna vaccines and they have more active PR people to spread rumours about competitors.
08/04/2021 11:55:56 1 2
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I wish the BBC world be more proactive and compare and contrast the side effects of all the vaccines instead of trying to create a side sided view.
08/04/2021 13:13:58 0 1
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Great point. Let’s see if the Beeb can pick up on it as well. Seems they - BBC - are ignoring the ‘problems’ with the more expensive vaccinations . Or is it, the usual ‘bias’ - it’s British so it must be rubbish.
08/04/2021 13:27:38 1 1
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A friend of a friend who worked on the Oxford jab reckons it's a smear campaign by the rest of Big Pharma, because their expensive jabs are being undercut by the not-for-profit Oxford jab. Knowing the reputation of Big Pharma, I can believe it.
08/04/2021 13:44:15 1 1
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It was convenient for the EU to single out the AZ vaccine and say that they were pausing or restricting when in fact they didn't have that much of it anyway, so it was a useful diversionary tactic. And it was useful in France where people don't want to take a vaccine at all to say it was because of fears over the AZ.
08/04/2021 14:30:40 0 1
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"Reliable reports from the USA" - surely an oxymoron.
08/04/2021 14:57:59 0 1
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For a young person this risk is as minuscule as the one of ending up in hospital with Covid...I'll just leave that there.
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08/04/2021 09:35:45 9 10
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To all those under 30s who had parties and raves and mingled in large groups over Easter and other times, you still don't understand how dangerous Covid is and need to pay more attention!
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08/04/2021 09:35:47 6 2
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Is it a problem or is it not a problem ?
Statistical data would imply it is not really a problem.
So why is he making concessions and statements like this or are they still hedging their bets despite publicly saying something different ?
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08/04/2021 09:47:00 3 0
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Its called tail covering...just in case it all goes piriform.
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08/04/2021 10:21:05 0 0
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For vast majority it isn’t a problem - but if you are unlucky to get the very rare blood clots after the vaccine then it most definitely is a problem to you
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08/04/2021 09:30:46 6 6
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Lies, Damned Lies, Statistics.
Sound familiar ?
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08/04/2021 09:41:12 3 2
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Lies & Damned Lies - that's the rightwing govt.
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08/04/2021 09:39:45 2 2
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Liars, damned liars, tories
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08/04/2021 09:26:43 5 10
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In the UK the incident rate of rare clotting is a lot lower because AZ has mostly been used in older people, unlike in the EU were it was used in a younger population.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in UK.
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08/04/2021 09:30:58 9 9
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Well if Matt says it's true then ......... Oh Dear!
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08/04/2021 09:34:01 6 14
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Other than bribing under 30's via covid passports I can't think of another reason why any of them would risk a jab.
The statistics show they are safer from covid.
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08/04/2021 09:40:05 0 1
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You're spot on, they'll have to get one if they ever want to go on holiday again - but defo don't need it for COVID risk. But then it looks like there will be a need for a test on departure and arrival back home again even if you're vaccinated for the "new strain" hysteria. The tests are going to cost 420 notes each time, so will most likely price anyone under 30 out of holidays again anyway....
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:36:01 7 1
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The threat isn't to the under 30's though. If all under 30's go unvaccinated that allows Covid to continue to spread and potentially mutate.

There is always a risk that the current vaccines could not combat a potential future mutation caused by its spread among the unvaccinated and we are back to square 1.
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08/04/2021 09:36:08 8 8
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Perception is something the government has failed to factor into its approach throughout. As for the long haul flight analogy, well it maybe quite accurate but thing is people vulnerable to clots do not take long haul flights and many will not take the vaccine either not least because Hancock has been so wrong so often his word is treated with disdain by those who are vulnerable to this disease.
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08/04/2021 09:40:34 4 0
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people who take long haul flights don't know whether going to get clots or not. That's why they have special flight socks , they also use these socks when you have operations to stop you getting clots. You could get a clot anytime in life .
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08/04/2021 09:36:11 92 7
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Why are we really talking about the under 30s when it looks like they wont be vaccinated for several months yet. Information is getting more advanced each week. Lets keep the scientists doing the research and stop scaremongering until closer to when this group will be vaccinated. There are many millions people in the queue before this group
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08/04/2021 09:54:17 33 11
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Called planning ahead? If they didn't plan ahead, and it got to the day before and all this kicked off, people, likely including yourself, would be complaining as well.
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08/04/2021 11:06:27 0 1
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And the people in that queue could be susceptible to clotting also.
08/04/2021 11:50:18 3 2
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The risks of the vaccine are the generally the same across age groups.

What is different is the risk of Covid across the age groups. Young people have virtually no risk from Covid.

Hence, don't take a dodgy vaccine.
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08/04/2021 12:27:24 3 0
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Not exactly true, as some under 30s with certain conditions will be getting their jab before this date, or like myself, have already had it. Hence why we have this data for under 30s. Best to take action now to prevent possible thrombosis in those that are soon to be getting the jab. Imagine if they had this information, didn't release it, and people died. It would be a scandal.
08/04/2021 12:36:58 1 0
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In my area under 30s are being vaccinated as of yesterday !
08/04/2021 14:03:44 2 0
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Plenty of under 30's are being vaccinated as many are carers, including my daughter.
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08/04/2021 09:32:41 18 70
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Fingers crossed but i'm not filled with confidence over the "lumpy supply" that they warned us of in April
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08/04/2021 09:36:22 7 3
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I agree, always a risk leaving the second dose to the last minute, you need everything to go absolutely to plan - there's no "wiggle room" left.
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08/04/2021 09:44:26 6 4
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There's plenty of "wiggle room" by flexing the number of people getting first does in the next couple of months.

Things will have gone seriously wrong if there isn't enough supply to give second doses on time.
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08/04/2021 09:50:36 5 11
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Agree - my twelve weeks are up today and I can't get my second dose of Pfizer.
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08/04/2021 09:25:30 11 9
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Well we are MUCH older than the 30s bracket and still haven’t been offered a jab so I can’t see how they will be able to give everyone a jab by July!
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08/04/2021 09:36:50 6 0
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The rollout is roughly 50% the way through the first phase (single dose) and it's taken roughly 3. Months. Work it out.
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08/04/2021 09:36:53 148 12
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This is good news.
There are risks with all medications.
Pfizer is showing a tiny number of allergic reactions.
There are risks of blood clots from flying, pregnancy and even just staying in bed.
The risks from Covid are much higher including blood clots.

The regulators are looking at all the evidence and are being cautious.
The government is rolling out the vaccines as fast as they can.
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08/04/2021 09:40:29 74 9
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Well said.
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08/04/2021 10:41:23 3 15
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Yeah who cares if people are dying right? Some of us may day die but that is a sacrifice Boris is willing to make to one-up the EU.
08/04/2021 16:18:19 0 0
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Both Phizer and Moderna have shown issues re allergic reactions and have instigated investigations as the rates are actually higher than the AZ regarding clotting......
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08/04/2021 09:30:26 11 23
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But the under 30s don't need a vaccine. The virus poses no threat. The very rare side effect is actually enough for it to be reasonable to refuse the vaccine on health grounds. As per usual, the govt making a total horlicks of everything.
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08/04/2021 09:36:58 4 3
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You'll get down voted for that, but I'm fairly sure I've got more chance of being killed by bees at my age than Covid.

Personally don't really care about rare side effects..

I'm getting it because the writing is on the wall.. If I refuse, the state apparatus to coerce me to get it will be up and running soon. i.e "you will never see a sunny country or a pub/restaurant ever again, citizen"
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08/04/2021 09:37:05 7 10
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We've discovered the vaccine we told you was safe might kill you, but don't worry other vaccines are available. Unfortunately, we don't know for sure that these vaccines might not kill you as well.
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08/04/2021 09:42:46 7 0
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But we do know that Covid is much more likely to kill you...and your relatives....
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08/04/2021 09:37:10 249 53
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We are heading into difficult territory here.

Whether to have a vaccination or not is an individual decision.

For those who rely on government and NHS advice informed by expert review panels the choice is straightforward.

For those who are more inclined to the opinion of Mickey on Facebook it is more tricky.
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08/04/2021 09:41:51 183 19
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"For those who are more inclined to the opinion of Mickey on Facebook "
Sadly it seems there are plenty of those numpties as evidenced by HYS ...
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08/04/2021 09:56:31 29 33
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Oh yes, because government advice and the experts are completely reliable, aren't they?! They haven't changed their minds about how to handle the pandemic every few weeks, have they?!
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08/04/2021 09:59:00 20 13
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Just tell the under 30s that AZ contains botox and their friends, sisters mate, Tracy, will be doing the injections at a gin party. They'll be queueing down the street for it!
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08/04/2021 10:01:37 10 13
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"Whether to have a vaccination or not is an individual decision. "

Used to be, yes. Now you'll lose a lot of freedoms if you decline.
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08/04/2021 09:59:28 16 0
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It is indeed an individuals decision, there is no law in the UK that can force anyone to have a vaccination, I can't for the life of me understand why you actually think what you said is true !

I've been vaccinated & would recommend everyone gets vaccinated, like it or not it is indeed down to each individual to choose whether they get vaccinated or not & no one can force anyone to be vaccinated.
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08/04/2021 10:04:10 12 13
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What about expert medical advice from Switzerland, Norway, Canada, Japan, Germany, etc? All banned AstraZeneca for under 50's.
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08/04/2021 10:40:48 17 14
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So, you really do trust the government and their 'expert' panels. Wow.
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08/04/2021 11:02:34 0 0
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So the medical profession should get more directly involved by way of GP advice etc...
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08/04/2021 11:17:39 4 4
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NO...NO. You do not do this. Do not pander to this propaganda that the state knows all and the individual knows nothing. Groupthink is the biggest danger facing us today, not this virus. Do not juts simply succumb to it. It is not illegal or stupid for individuals to form their own opinions.
08/04/2021 11:32:05 0 2
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"Whether to have a vaccination or not is an individual decision."

Apparently not.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-56669397
08/04/2021 11:46:40 2 5
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Agree with this.

What is all the more worrying is that the Government is trying coercion to get young people to take the jab.

"If you take the jab, you can go to a cinema, pub, nightclub etc with your friends., just have this vax passport..."

That is the most terrible UK policy ever in peace time.
08/04/2021 12:14:29 3 0
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You are quite right. If you’ve been in hospital and are lying in a bed for most of the day then you are almost certain to be given those injections in your abdomen. Those injections are given to prevent blood clots - not just for the fun of it. If there wasn’t a need then they wouldn’t give them because they are quite expensive.
08/04/2021 12:56:38 2 2
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haha...if you follow the advice of proven liars then I'd say you're the one in a tricky position.
08/04/2021 13:23:42 1 0
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What about the MHRA yellow card reporting scheme.. is that for Mickey? It doesnt appear to be something you care for.
08/04/2021 14:50:42 0 1
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What about the professional doctors and consultants who raise concern? there's plenty out there, it's not hard to find, you just won't see it in MSM
08/04/2021 15:02:48 0 1
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This isn't a choice any more if you want a little sign on your phone you will have the jab and do as your told.
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08/04/2021 09:34:52 14 18
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I cant get away from the storm made by the press, more so this Gov on EU being petty about the Oxford jab when clearly something was up and the EU were being far more honest about it. I suspect Bojo & Co knew this & hid it, worse still framed it in an anti EU light. I have had it and would again and recognise the risk is small, but our Gov misled us all along, they knew it was an issue I think,
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08/04/2021 09:37:12 10 2
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It's not hidden and no one has been misled. AZ vaccine is very safe, safer than the OCP many young women choose to take.
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08/04/2021 09:31:25 748 105
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
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08/04/2021 09:37:15 139 408
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No. But nor do we tell certain age groups to fly with different airlines.
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08/04/2021 09:48:44 96 10
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Sorry I don't see the relevance
"But nor do we tell certain age groups to fly with different airlines."

Flying with a different airline has no bearing on blood clot risk.
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08/04/2021 09:58:20 21 0
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Putting your sensible head on, would you agree that we should mitigate risk in our lives, if it’s possible?
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08/04/2021 10:29:42 0 0
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We would if it was beneficial.
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08/04/2021 10:41:58 7 1
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That analogy simply doesn't make sense. Flying is the risk factor, not the airline.
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08/04/2021 09:37:37 468 106
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Why is it that it is only the az jabs being hounded by media, is because it is cheaper and developed in uk with a declared message of sharing at much cheaper rates globally, and big pharma and us based companies jabs are not? US companies destroyed the UK concorde jet just as effectively. Just wish bbc did not report this with such ill concealed glee.
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08/04/2021 09:58:01 16 46
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US pharma rules the world for a reason, my friend, Dolly's vaccine is the perfect example of the American Dream.

And US companies didn't destroy Concorde, it was simply not economically viable.
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08/04/2021 09:58:40 19 17
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But this is precisely why people no longer believe any assurances by govts, isn't it? We know they can't be relied on - that they'll carry on blandly denying there is a problem, right up to the moment they're forced to admit that there is.
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08/04/2021 09:54:10 34 50
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Simple fact is none of the other vaccines being used have had any reports of them causing blood clots...

So why on earth would the media or the BBC "hound" the other vaccines when there has been not a shred of scientific evidence linking them to blood clots !!!

The fact that you made such a ludicrous comment beggars belief...
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08/04/2021 10:00:41 17 53
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No, others have done their own research.

Why are you so upset others might want to do their own calcs?

Johnson gambled with our lives
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08/04/2021 10:10:41 51 11
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Follow the money - big pharma worried about profits.
Well done AZ.
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08/04/2021 10:17:32 18 10
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No, Concorde, whilst an excellent piece of engineering, just wasn't fuel efficient. A Boeing 747 carried four times the passengers twice as far as the Concorde for the same amount of fuel. There are far, far, more people on modest incomes than there are jet-setting millionaires.
A combination of mathematics and increasing concern for the environment were the final nails in its coffin.
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08/04/2021 10:20:07 23 17
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Quick put your tin hat on johhny foreigner is after you
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08/04/2021 10:01:11 23 36
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Big pharma is most likely behind it, supported bu the neo liberal EU. So pleased that we left.
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08/04/2021 10:42:37 8 1
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Hounding ? It's called reporting. What do you want ? Patriotic opinion op-eds all day long ?
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08/04/2021 10:52:54 2 9
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If you ignore the nationalism, and also don't just go for bargain basement price..

... objectively the evidence is growing towards pfizer and moderna being both safer *and* more effective.

19 deaths from clots looking increasingly likely to be caused by the vaccine. How much is a life worth...

Not just direct deaths, but pfizer has better efficacy, so better community benefit as well.
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08/04/2021 11:00:40 3 2
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It's based on the data and science. There is *currently* no clot link to the other vaccines. It's not a conspiracy.
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08/04/2021 11:16:52 3 0
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How do you know that this article was written with "glee"? Nonsense!
The BBC have simply reported that the GOV have changed their vaccination rules because the AZ vaccine has a measurably higher risk for certain people.
The BBC will similarly report if an other vaccine has the same issues (sorry, in your parlance, the BBC will also "hound" another other vaccine issue with the same "glee").
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08/04/2021 11:18:17 2 1
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I would say it is because there have been a few mis-steps along the way. First up the confusion over the trial data combining to data sets to arrive at a notional success figure. Trials only on certain cohorts excluding the old to who the vaccine was to be give. Next up too much grandstanding from the UK regarding certifying for use before others. Etc etc
08/04/2021 11:19:55 4 0
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"The UK's Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said there was no proof the vaccine had caused the clots but the link was getting firmer, while the European Medicines Agency (EMA) have said the benefits of the jab outweighed the risks."

Is this hounding? They are reporting what these agencies have said using their words...
08/04/2021 11:29:11 1 2
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God what drivel. The BBC may as well move into Downing St - it’s now just a Govt mouthpiece.
08/04/2021 11:30:27 3 0
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Reporting fact in a well balance way with stats that make me think jab is safer for us oldies but a lesser benefit / risk to younger people. No hounding here, apart from people with an agenda like you.
08/04/2021 11:48:22 0 5
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The BBC are attacking AZ because it was invented by British scientists. None of te staff at the BBC studied science. They chose 'media studies' and are jealous.
08/04/2021 11:51:17 1 0
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Just reporting Govt facts. No doubt you have an agenda. BBC Shouldn't report news you don't want to hear.
08/04/2021 12:02:24 1 0
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Probably because it was rubbish in the first place...
08/04/2021 12:17:17 0 2
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Ill concealed glee! Couldn't have put it better.
What an odd comment

The British made vaccine is the only one linked to often fatal blood clots

These are most common in the younger age groups that the uk has not yet begun to vaccinate

Eu nations sensibly ration its use

And members of the alt right like owls think its anti UK bias

Did you also vote for Brexit?

Now be honest........
08/04/2021 12:30:43 1 1
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Political pressure to release early?
08/04/2021 13:00:19 2 0
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Yes there is little doubt the anti AZ propaganda is driven by the avarice of those making money out of the other vaccines. AZ set a dangerous precedent to their billions. Can't have that happen again.
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08/04/2021 09:34:38 3 7
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Covid: More than enough vaccines for under-30s, says Hancock"

All I see is a skipping Easter Bunny ?? ??
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08/04/2021 09:37:55 5 1
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All I see in this post is someone greasy.
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08/04/2021 09:24:25 68 33
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I really hope Hancock doesn't pretend to cry on TV again. It's bad enough when premiership footballers do it. We don't need our politicians doing it too.
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08/04/2021 09:37:56 12 2
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08/04/2021 09:28:25 11 8
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Do it and be done with.

We need to get back to normality.

Everyone dies one day. That's life.
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08/04/2021 09:34:36 0 1
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I am not quite ready yet

Ask me again in 20 years if I’m still here
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08/04/2021 09:28:35 581 147
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Let's be perfectly honest - some people will have an adverse reaction to any vaccine - sad that it results in death BUT we really MUST look at the numbers involved and more importantly stop the hysteria prompted by our own media and some foreign governments that the Oxford vaccine is a problem - it is saving lots of lives. BBC and others get real!!!!
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08/04/2021 09:34:46 52 32
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Agreed ...TV media thrives on and promotes bad news...trashy journalism
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08/04/2021 09:28:37 56 15
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"But he said the committee, which advises the government on the vaccine rollout, had decided it felt more comfortable if the under-30 age group"

Why? If it's safe and such a low risk of blood clots why change it?

I'm no anti vaxxer and will go and get mine when offered it but they don't instill confidence do they.
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The safe vaccine being given to the young but the old most likely to get blood clots not. Forgive me but in many novels that has been associated with euthanasia, and harvesting of the elderly. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:38:03 0 0
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Novels! Not real life. What would you "harvest" from the elderly?
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08/04/2021 09:28:35 581 147
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Let's be perfectly honest - some people will have an adverse reaction to any vaccine - sad that it results in death BUT we really MUST look at the numbers involved and more importantly stop the hysteria prompted by our own media and some foreign governments that the Oxford vaccine is a problem - it is saving lots of lives. BBC and others get real!!!!
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08/04/2021 09:38:06 23 85
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100% disagree. There are alternative vaccines that does not suffer this problem and UK is expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to number of people vaccinated.

Why risk it? So Boris and Co meet their vaccination targets?
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08/04/2021 09:44:02 22 49
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Ahhh they have really cocked this all up.

So they have focused on announcing how low the risk is for younger people and that we are due to hit herd immunity alongside introducing new risks... this will just put people off taking the AZ jab which will harm our efforts as people will think they are fine without it...

Couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery
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08/04/2021 09:44:15 70 6
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Actually, the other vaccines do suffer from this problem. It's just not publicised.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132
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08/04/2021 09:46:21 42 13
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With the odds given, I wouldn't even use the word 'risk'. It's being blown out of all proportion to the facts and the hysterical are loving it.
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08/04/2021 10:16:37 12 2
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But they do. Pfizer has had similar problems
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08/04/2021 10:43:23 2 4
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There’s more blood clots with the Pfizer jab but for some reason the EU ignore this
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08/04/2021 10:57:13 4 0
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But they do .you just are not told this
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08/04/2021 09:29:45 4 6
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Can we please keep EU/Brexit nonsense out of this thread.
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08/04/2021 09:39:03 2 7
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brexit nonsense affects everything.
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08/04/2021 13:47:39 0 0
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You need to stop your whining and bleating, and accept that Brexit is here to stay.
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08/04/2021 09:35:12 6 1
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And what do you "know" about it? Are you a doctor? Or a scientist? Or just someone who says they "know" something about anything they have read in the media?
I wonder,which are you, hmmm?
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08/04/2021 09:39:13 1 5
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You seem to think the deaths from blood clotting are made up.

Catch a grip of yourself.
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08/04/2021 09:43:02 6 1
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And deaths from covid are not made up?
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08/04/2021 10:38:00 1 1
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I wonder how you interpolated an opinion I do not have from my post.
Actually, proves my point rather we!l.
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08/04/2021 09:39:21 7 10
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Not sure why the under 30’s are being given this option because many in this age group have totally ignored the elevated requests to follow lockdown rules and consequently help spread the virus to older friends and relatives.
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08/04/2021 09:44:52 1 3
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No they haven't
08/04/2021 12:33:55 1 0
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to try to mitigate against the expected low take up, just like todays 'but it also stops long covid in young people' narrative following on from last weeks stick of passports for every activity...I would not be surprised to see under30s well below 50% take up and based on the risk vs benefit at that age we should respect that.
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08/04/2021 09:39:33 187 24
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It is a good job that the government put in pre-orders for so many different vaccines.

A very wise move indeed.
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08/04/2021 09:50:36 36 63
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If they had enough non-AZ vaccines to cover the under 40s then that would have been set as the cut off.
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08/04/2021 09:54:08 5 20
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Buy up all the stock at the expense of poorer nations? Yeah, beautiful.

Capitalism and greed, yay... not.
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08/04/2021 09:55:41 2 21
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Yeah, buy up all the stock at the expense of poorer countries? Beautiful.
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08/04/2021 10:21:45 7 9
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Good job ‘sit on the fence’ Starmer was not in charge.
08/04/2021 15:09:25 1 0
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I do agree, the government made very wise decisions in the vaccine roll out.

They have obtained enough doses to protect the nation and have done an excellent job (and I include the thousands on the front lines administering the jabs) getting the medication to the people.

Love them or hate them, the government did VERY well this time around
08/04/2021 16:42:28 0 1
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Probably the only one they have made.
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08/04/2021 09:39:56 16 11
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I'm sure most u30s will take any vaccine offered if it means they can participate in society again.

The risk of the vaccine is still well under the risk of driving, walking down the stairs...
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08/04/2021 09:43:25 8 10
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So are you suggesting only those who are "vaccinated" should be allowed to "participate in society"?
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08/04/2021 09:48:13 2 6
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“I'm sure most u30s will take any vaccine offered if it means they can participate in society again.”

It won’t mean that, and after this they will not touch it with a barge pole

The older victims wish they had not either
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08/04/2021 09:58:59 3 2
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That attitude is part of the problem with vaccine uptake. Coercion will never convince those in doubt that it was in their own best interest.
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08/04/2021 10:17:33 4 0
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So what you’re saying is they will be bullied into taking it because of alienation from society if they don’t!
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08/04/2021 09:39:57 8 7
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I want this to be true, but Door Matt has a big credibility problem.
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08/04/2021 09:36:53 148 12
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This is good news.
There are risks with all medications.
Pfizer is showing a tiny number of allergic reactions.
There are risks of blood clots from flying, pregnancy and even just staying in bed.
The risks from Covid are much higher including blood clots.

The regulators are looking at all the evidence and are being cautious.
The government is rolling out the vaccines as fast as they can.
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08/04/2021 09:40:29 74 9
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Well said.
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08/04/2021 09:35:33 6 12
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no jab for me until all restrictions on lives and businesses are gone, and until domestic covid passports have been confined to thr dustbin of history.
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Fool!
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08/04/2021 09:42:12 1 4
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Why's that? statistically covid poses little risk to me.
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08/04/2021 09:40:29 311 24
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'Prof Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, told BBC Radio 4's Today programme now was "not the time to waiver" and said people had to put their confidence in the system.'

I'll wager he said 'waver', not 'waiver'. Time was when one would have expected a BBC editor to know the difference but I guess a good grasp of English is no longer a prerequisite for being a journalist.
prerequisite for being a journalist. . .
Lying daily still counts.
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08/04/2021 09:57:20 21 0
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I'm sure the BBC use these HYS sections as a proof reading facility.
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08/04/2021 10:15:30 8 14
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If you want journalism with wit, style and good English try RT. Seriously.
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08/04/2021 10:47:59 36 9
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The grammatical and spelling errors, plus sentences consisting of fragments and comma splices, are beyond belief on BBC web page. I'm an ex-journalist so notice all of them. So much lazy reporting. Standards slipping everywhere.
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08/04/2021 11:09:41 16 7
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Thats what happens when you are more concerned with ticking D&I boxes than employing the best person for the job
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08/04/2021 11:12:51 3 4
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Probably worked for the dfail previously
08/04/2021 11:41:34 9 15
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Your only takeaway from this article is a very minor spelling error, consisting of a single letter?

Do you really spend your time scouring BBC articles to complain about the smallest things?
08/04/2021 12:28:54 7 2
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From Chambers Concise English dictionary.
"To waiver": to forgo; to defer; to postpone.
"To waver": to vacillate; to vary; to change.
So in the context of what Prof. Andrew Pollard is reported to have said, either verb is appropriate.
08/04/2021 12:58:13 1 2
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Nor is good journalism at the 'Beeb'.....
08/04/2021 13:06:44 1 1
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Careful, you'll upset the NUJ. The union for journalists who can't spell.
08/04/2021 13:10:43 0 3
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“Confidence in the system”?

In January 2020 I said the borders should close and international travel be stopped.

The system (aka WHO, UK Gov and media) said the virus didn’t transmit person to person and my posts were deleted for “waycism”.

Now we have millions dead globally, and I’ve been under house arrest for a year.

They can shove their system.
08/04/2021 13:29:48 2 0
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Hang on... this was on the radio, right? How do you distinguish the spoken "waver" and "waiver"?
08/04/2021 13:34:28 0 2
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Half the TV reporters can't speak properly anyway! You hear grarrrrrss instead of grass. Glarrrrrrrss instead of glass. Barrrrrrrrrth instead of bath. Speak properly man!
08/04/2021 14:14:06 3 0
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I love the BBC news banners, sometimes you can't make it up. Interview with a head teacher recently about school standards, banner underneath said 'Mr Jones, Principle' - lololol
08/04/2021 14:15:19 1 0
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difficult to say whether he said waiver or waver. They sound the same.
08/04/2021 20:04:14 0 0
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They're not using editors on the website. Couldn't be more obvious.
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08/04/2021 09:36:08 8 8
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Perception is something the government has failed to factor into its approach throughout. As for the long haul flight analogy, well it maybe quite accurate but thing is people vulnerable to clots do not take long haul flights and many will not take the vaccine either not least because Hancock has been so wrong so often his word is treated with disdain by those who are vulnerable to this disease.
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08/04/2021 09:40:34 4 0
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people who take long haul flights don't know whether going to get clots or not. That's why they have special flight socks , they also use these socks when you have operations to stop you getting clots. You could get a clot anytime in life .
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08/04/2021 09:31:25 748 105
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The chances of getting a blood clot from pregnancy, flying, the 'pill', smoking, obesity, certain types of cancer and a whole host of other aliments are far higher than the AZ jab
We're not telling women to stop taking the pill or people to stop flying are we?
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08/04/2021 09:40:36 16 74
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There's a big difference between flying with BA and flying in some old cessna...
To be fair many years ago i flew from Glasgow to Birmingham with BA. Upon walking to the plane imagine my surprise and Alarm when i seen a 100 seater turbo prop. Instinctively i quoted Billy Connolly - "Oh no, it's Buddy Holly airlines"

A wee bit too close to one of the Stewardesses and she overheard me, she wasn't impressed...
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08/04/2021 09:42:53 30 6
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Give me the old cessna any day. Customer service is bound to be better and flight might actually leave on time.
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08/04/2021 10:31:43 4 0
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Give me an old Cessna or Piper any day of the week:-)