Covid: Under-30s offered alternative to Oxford-AstraZeneca jab
07/04/2021 | news | health | 2,348
A review finds a "plausible" link to rare blood clots, but says the jab remains beneficial for most.
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07/04/2021 19:45:26 21 13
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Safe and effective, it's safe and effective! Remember???
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07/04/2021 19:49:03 28 3
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Exactly.........it is just that. Asprin is more dangerous.
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 7 0
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and cheap
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07/04/2021 19:50:32 11 1
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Yes it is, no more risky than many other commonly used medicines which many of us take every day.
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CT
07/04/2021 20:21:21 1 2
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Yes, remember John Hummer feeding his 4 year old daughter a burger in trying to say that British Beef was safe.
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07/04/2021 19:47:19 42 37
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Shame on you BBC for making so much of the blood clots,. All drugs have side-effects, why focus on the AZ drug and not the side effects of the other covid vaccines?
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07/04/2021 19:49:08 36 12
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There’s no shame in presenting the whole picture. I bet your daily tabloid rag doesn’t do that.
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07/04/2021 19:49:53 13 2
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Asprin is more likely to give you dangerous side effects than this vaccine.
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07/04/2021 19:51:49 12 6
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Don't be silly. On the issue of vaccines, I think the BBC have reported in a fair, balanced and non fear mongering way.
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07/04/2021 19:49:51 11 1
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It is the regulators who are focusing on the az vaccine, the media are reporting what the regulators are doing.
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07/04/2021 20:00:37 11 12
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You must be joking. The BBC along with the entire U.K. establishment has been dragged kicking and screaming to this point.

We have endured relentless propaganda for weeks, lambasting other countries for their petty political game playing.

Now, weeks later we are finally forced to admit the truth. The UK was so blinded by the speed of its rollout to not bother asking the appropriate questions.
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07/04/2021 20:27:18 3 3
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In fairness its not the BBC that has been rubbishing it. They have just piggybacked the news story with their usual selective narrative. Most media outlets have done the same. I feel sorry for the people of Europe who have had their confidence in the vaccine ruined by their leaders.
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07/04/2021 20:29:05 7 0
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Grow up.

This has come from government and medicine regulators not the BBC. It’s literally on all other media too.

??
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07/04/2021 20:53:23 3 1
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Because maybe someone might benefit from having a think about things before they leap into a procedure that might harm them? Not everyone is super healthy.
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07/04/2021 20:56:03 1 1
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Duh!!!!! Because the others aren’t making World headlines and causing numerous Countries to stop giving it to certain if not all, parts of their population, that’s why!!!
And I say that as a big BBC critic and hater for it’s woke, lefty, snowflake agenda but on this occasion I can’t see that the criticism is justified.
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07/04/2021 20:57:00 1 0
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I don't know how much you want to live on Airstrip One but for now it would be good to support the truth.

That thing the BBC is supposed to do.
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07/04/2021 19:47:53 184 20
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Id still have it and im 23, the risks are still incredibly low when you think about it!
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07/04/2021 19:54:03 94 221
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When Boris the liar says it's safe you know the answer
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07/04/2021 19:59:23 18 30
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The risks to you from ending up in hospital with covid are miniscule and the chance of dying from covid at your age are virtually non existent if you have no other health issues. so why take the risk with an emergency use only vaccine with a 1 in 250000 chance?
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07/04/2021 20:04:54 17 14
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why do you think you need it at all your in the lowest risk group. Why not get natural immunity
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07/04/2021 20:08:43 7 24
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But I supposed that EU countries was playing politics according to brexiters. How come that the uk is following EU countries now
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07/04/2021 20:14:12 2 3
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Well said and well done!!
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07/04/2021 20:55:11 4 1
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The risks of COVID are also incredibly low
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07/04/2021 21:19:33 1 0
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Nearly as low as being affected by the virus.
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07/04/2021 19:47:55 22 13
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There now needs to be a level headed approach to the vaccine rollout. To date it has been a jingoistic exercise in petty one upmanship by the flag wavers. Now we should be calmly weighing up the risks vs benefits.
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07/04/2021 19:51:02 22 1
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Well according to the experts, i.e. no-one on HYS, the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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07/04/2021 19:48:26 6 1
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Why under 30 only?
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07/04/2021 19:51:52 12 1
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I think the reasoning is that the risk of clots seem to be similar in all age groups but the under 30's are at less risk of serious illness/death as a result of the virus itself. So the risk vs benefit is different.

Under 30's will be last in the queue for a vaccine so there should be a choice by then. If you are older/at more risk and AZ is all there is, better to get a jab sooner.
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 0 4
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Snowflakes
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07/04/2021 19:54:48 1 3
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Because it's dangerous

But those with the risk above 30 are more likely dead already
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07/04/2021 19:48:33 54 12
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Same odds as dying in a car crash... how many people wouldn’t get in a car if they knew that?
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07/04/2021 19:53:13 33 5
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less risk in fact
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07/04/2021 19:54:01 2 11
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And greater odds than dying from covid, so why take a vaccine you don't need?
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07/04/2021 19:55:21 1 0
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Going of car deaths it's lethal
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07/04/2021 19:58:32 0 0
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That is not what it said. It said risk is same, I.e minuscule in both. It did not say you die by driving 250 miles......
08/04/2021 18:04:08 0 0
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kind of depends what car you are driving - car smashed into me (way too fast too close) on the motorway, his was totally smashed up, mine was an old Volvo estate and suffered only minor damage. Stupid driver, poor quality car; smart driver, safer car - I could stop safely without rear-ending the vehicle that stopped in front of me - some things are a choice. Which vaccine you're offered isn't.
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07/04/2021 19:45:26 21 13
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Safe and effective, it's safe and effective! Remember???
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07/04/2021 19:49:03 28 3
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Exactly.........it is just that. Asprin is more dangerous.
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07/04/2021 21:06:21 2 0
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Anything can be dangerous to anyone and this vaccine is no exception, particularly to those who have certain medical conditions.
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07/04/2021 19:47:19 42 37
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Shame on you BBC for making so much of the blood clots,. All drugs have side-effects, why focus on the AZ drug and not the side effects of the other covid vaccines?
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07/04/2021 19:49:08 36 12
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There’s no shame in presenting the whole picture. I bet your daily tabloid rag doesn’t do that.
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07/04/2021 19:53:06 6 14
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Then present the whole picture on all the vaccines, otherwise it's not the whole picture is it. Or don't they teach you logic in your daily socialist rag?
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07/04/2021 19:45:26 21 13
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Safe and effective, it's safe and effective! Remember???
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 7 0
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and cheap
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 241 41
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"Should we be worried abour a one in a million risk?" - good question. Anyone who does worry needs to lock themselves away forever as there are far greater risks in life than that! Some studies there is a 2% risk of deep vein thrombosis from flying so if you are scared of the vaccine I suggest you dont get on a plane ever again.
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07/04/2021 19:52:07 116 167
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It's the people wetting their pants about coronavirus that are scared of everything
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07/04/2021 19:52:11 15 27
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Then why are you worried about a virus, that even less likely to kill you?
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07/04/2021 19:56:22 15 6
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It may be one in a million across the whole population. But it may affect certain subgroups at a significantly higher rate. The fact is we don't know.
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07/04/2021 19:54:44 13 5
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There are no serious studies that say that about DVT. A plane with 300 people on doesn’t cause 6 DVT cases.
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07/04/2021 20:41:37 6 2
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Since the risk is not one in a million you are asking the wrong question.

You are using the same stupid misrepresentation used by politicians.

There is a 1 in 50 million per year risk of a British person dying while climbing Everest. Because only a tiny number try.
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07/04/2021 21:10:32 5 0
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One in over 65 million risk and we killed all cows....
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07/04/2021 21:10:59 1 0
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So add all the risks togeather.. For az if there are alternatives with less risk.. Take those instead.
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07/04/2021 21:28:10 3 5
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So worrying about a virus that most of us would never have known we have had (if we didn't take a test) requires the whole country to be shut down, but a 1 in 500,000 chance of a blood clot is an acceptable risk? I think somewhere in the last year you lost your moral compass. I don't care about the vaccine or the risk (free choice), it's the double standards of your argument that annoys me
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07/04/2021 21:40:40 2 0
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It's very miss-leading to compare the 1 in a million overall risk of dyeing - since the numbers show the risk of serious harm for a young person taking AZ is actually ~1 in 91,000 and we don't even know what the risk factors are, for some people it's likely greater, particularly concerning if you're in your early 30s
LH
08/04/2021 00:21:54 0 0
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It's equivalent to the theory behind taking one's OWN bomb on a plane, as the probability of there being TWO bombs on the plane is INFINITESIMALLY small!!!
Pip
08/04/2021 08:21:00 2 0
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Yet we heavily criticised the EU for there concerns about AZ, and now all of a sudden, when the boots on the other foot, there are no concerns.

Double standards spring to mind...........?
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07/04/2021 19:49:27 380 47
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As an under-30 who’s had a jab, this doesn’t concern me. There are always gonna be risks but I’d rather a 1 in a million chance of getting a blood clot than not have a 90% effective vaccine being administered at large.
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07/04/2021 20:02:34 208 23
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Thank you for showing a sense of perspective
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07/04/2021 20:06:48 10 75
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EU countries were right all along about astrazeneca.
Thank God macron was honwst from day one. The uk press, brexiters and scientists that attacked those EU countries should apologise over and over.
The EU saved us. The Uk following now.
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07/04/2021 20:19:23 15 39
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Fortunately for us, the first wave of vaccination in the UK - NHS staff - used Pfizer doses. That's why the number of cases is still low.
But I seriously doubt they've counted them all. A week ago they were still in denial about any blood clot cases, now they're 79/19. What if we find out in a few weeks there were 10 times as many? Should we trust liars?..
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07/04/2021 20:17:32 12 0
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My son, 24yo, due to underlying issues, has had 1st jab and has no qualms about receiving 2nd. But will he still be offered a second AstraZeneca vaccine?
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07/04/2021 20:53:53 3 8
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90% effective? Effective from what? You do not seem to understand the difference between relative and absolute risk
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07/04/2021 20:58:21 2 10
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You realise you would be asymptotic to Covid-19 and/or have already had it?
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jki
07/04/2021 21:02:12 9 22
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for a disease that is not likely to harm you? Are you bonkers?
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jki
07/04/2021 21:03:59 3 16
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Better off taking none of them.....zero risk.
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07/04/2021 21:18:24 2 8
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Well as long as you’re ok then, no need to worry about anyone else.
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07/04/2021 21:40:24 2 4
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It's very miss-leading to compare the 1 in a million overall risk of dyeing - since the numbers show the risk of serious harm for a young person taking AZ is actually ~1 in 91,000 and we don't even know what the risk factors are, for some people it's likely greater, particularly concerning if you're in your early 30s
07/04/2021 21:47:49 2 3
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What is your chance of getting seriously ill with covid?
Minute yet you would have a jab that increase that risk of serious illness?
Madness!!
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07/04/2021 19:49:31 432 46
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Fair enough, spell out the risks, give people the option. However, the risks of getting a blood clot from the vaccine is about 1,000 times less than it is getting one from the contraceptive pill! Read the rare risks on any, even benign, medicine and it looks scary. Thing is, the huge majority of us take these medications and suffer no ill effects.
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07/04/2021 19:54:16 110 259
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You need to factor in the fact that those working have probably picked up natural immunity, which the survey failed to account for.

Why take a risk, when the risk, is perhaps not there?
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CT
07/04/2021 19:57:15 31 76
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After a year of no jabs/ little ventilation/ little masks, perhaps it is worth exercising a a cautious approach of waiting a few more months before having any jabs.

There is no need for this mass hysteria about 'missed overseas holidays'. Our health needs to come first.
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07/04/2021 20:00:51 30 9
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Yep. Pile ointment probably as bad.
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07/04/2021 20:02:09 29 47
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That's rubbish. Women take contraceptives daily. If the risk was 1000 higher, you'd have 19000 deaths daily in 20mil users.
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07/04/2021 20:04:59 29 147
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EU countries were right all along about astrazeneca.
Thank God macron was honwst from day one. The uk press, brexiters and scientists that attacked those EU countries should apologise over and over.
The EU save our young kids.
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07/04/2021 20:05:31 44 81
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The trouble is that too many people treated it as a flag waving exercise to claim how wonderful Britain was. They’ve gone a bit quiet now.
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07/04/2021 20:08:52 83 11
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So far the risk of blood clot of this type after the vaccine is 4 in a million........ the risk of it in the general population is 5 in a million.

I'm far from convinced that "risk" by any real defination is a valid concept here.
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07/04/2021 20:14:50 5 8
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Or just have another proven effective vaccine that has a lower degree of risk? ??
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07/04/2021 20:40:59 7 19
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We don’t have sufficient data after second jabs yet. If I was offered the AZ now, personally I’d be tempted to wait & see instead of having it in blind faith
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07/04/2021 20:41:33 9 12
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There's a significant difference. The contraceptive pill had completed all of its animal and clinical trials before being declared safe & given to humans en masse; the mRNA is being given en masse as a human trial. No-one can declare it 'safe' or 'unsafe' until the trials are completed, which is still several years away. So you cannot possibly know the 'risks' - these will only emerge in time.
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07/04/2021 20:48:24 6 0
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the type of blood clot you may get from the pill is totally different in everyway from the tiny risk from the vaccine. In the same way as breaking your leg skiing is different from breaking your finger by failing off a wall. No link whatsoever
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07/04/2021 20:49:00 3 24
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We know why we are getting told to take AZ. It's 3 quid. Pfizer 20 quid and Modena 25 quid (or the other way around). Economics trumps risk every time with this government.
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07/04/2021 21:00:34 1 5
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Not really the point. People use contraception because it offers a significant benefit with relatively little risk. The vaccine on the other hand offers very little benefit to the under 30's, hence the small risk of having a stroke / DVT etc. is not worth the smaller reward of being protected from Covid-19
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jki
07/04/2021 21:01:50 0 3
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and the risk of the disease is likely the same...ergo...why bother taking it
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07/04/2021 21:07:39 2 0
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So add risk from pill + age + other meds + genes and add a known az risk?
Odd also how ukgov suddenly discovered 30 cases overnight when EU etc mentioned it month back.
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07/04/2021 21:15:47 1 1
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And for those it does affect, their lives don’t matter? All of a sudden some sacrifices are acceptable?
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07/04/2021 19:47:19 42 37
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Shame on you BBC for making so much of the blood clots,. All drugs have side-effects, why focus on the AZ drug and not the side effects of the other covid vaccines?
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07/04/2021 19:49:53 13 2
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Asprin is more likely to give you dangerous side effects than this vaccine.
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07/04/2021 20:00:40 9 11
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No one is forced to take aspirin. This vaccine however is slowly being forced on people in a variety of ways. Want a job? Vaccine. Holiday? Vaccine. Pub? Vaccine. Then the peer pressure of everyone thinking you're crazy for having concerns. Now look at todays news and the concern was right all along.
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07/04/2021 19:49:58 6 24
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A dark day for the world. Faith in all vaccines including AZ are now seriously undermined.
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 10 2
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Not even slightly, all medicines have some risk, the vaccines are safer than most
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07/04/2021 19:53:29 4 0
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We've just experienced several months of a world without a vital vaccine. If you are looking for a solution without any risk/side effects you are looking for magic not medicine.
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07/04/2021 20:11:10 2 1
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What bollos!
Removed
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CT
07/04/2021 19:50:02 4 20
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The cat is out of the bag now.

As a healthy 50 year old, I am better off waiting until this become available to me.
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07/04/2021 20:11:33 4 1
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Fool!
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07/04/2021 19:50:12 174 16
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so if all the shot voices are to be believed- no more crossing the road, taking asprin, contraception or long journeys for any of us from now on! Did I miss anything..? Such a shame that the exceptional work of a few is being smeared by so many
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07/04/2021 20:22:49 25 66
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It's kinda strange people use these examples:

Crossing the road....if i see a road is clear, i will cross it
taking aspirin, contraception pills....how long have they been around?
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07/04/2021 20:46:18 8 0
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Yes, you missed something - staying safely at home, falling in your own bedroom and breaking a rib!
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07/04/2021 20:48:17 5 2
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I blame the education system. It seems to have allowed all kinds of people to demonstrate their ignorance of sciences, evidence and statistics.

Still, perhaps you went to Eton or somewhere.
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07/04/2021 21:13:38 2 4
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Kind of ignores aspect of reducing risks by avoiding known risks.
I can't avoid driving, crossing the road etc
I can avoid smoking, known vaccine risks.. Especially if alternatives.
07/04/2021 23:47:54 0 2
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Plenty of people don't take aspirin and other medications. Do you normally take them for no reason?
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07/04/2021 19:45:26 21 13
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Safe and effective, it's safe and effective! Remember???
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07/04/2021 19:50:32 11 1
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Yes it is, no more risky than many other commonly used medicines which many of us take every day.
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07/04/2021 19:50:49 8 31
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Johnson signed up for the cheapest vaccine just to keep costs down
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07/04/2021 19:55:13 8 0
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Also bought millions of Pfizer jabs also, now where is your argument?
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07/04/2021 19:56:00 3 2
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Whilst Europe just ignored the vaccines and decided to let Covid do its work instead.
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07/04/2021 19:59:06 4 0
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the astrazeneca is supplied at cost..
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07/04/2021 20:00:24 3 0
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Also bought millions of Pfizer jabs. Now where is your argument?
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Nat
07/04/2021 20:01:11 5 0
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Seems to have gotten the death rate down pretty dramatically as well?
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07/04/2021 19:50:53 23 10
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Making a success of your life involves taking various risks along the way which is why we have a generation of failures coming through.. Compare this one in a million chance against the chances of going over the top in the trenches in WW1.
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07/04/2021 19:58:49 10 1
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Well, yeah, but I don't think anyone wants to return to trench warfare either!
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Meh
07/04/2021 20:13:42 3 1
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Well if you’re comparing the current younger generation with people who fought in a war over 100 years ago, then there’s quite a few ‘failure’ generations who came before us!
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07/04/2021 21:02:44 0 0
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Ironic that your fear of Covid highlights the lack of backbone this country has these days
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07/04/2021 19:47:55 22 13
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There now needs to be a level headed approach to the vaccine rollout. To date it has been a jingoistic exercise in petty one upmanship by the flag wavers. Now we should be calmly weighing up the risks vs benefits.
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07/04/2021 19:51:02 22 1
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Well according to the experts, i.e. no-one on HYS, the benefits far outweigh the risks.
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07/04/2021 19:51:20 73 7
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I'd hate to think that pharma companies charging huge amounts per jab have anything to do with propagating the information to increase their proportion of jabs purchased. They wouldn't would they.
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07/04/2021 20:15:50 36 110
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EU countries were right all along.
Honest people told us the truth since day one. Now the Uk is following. Time to apologise
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07/04/2021 20:27:12 4 7
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Total garbage.
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07/04/2021 19:51:29 286 34
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And yet the risk of blood clots from taking the contraceptive pill is 100's of times greater. But that doesn't seem to bother millions of young women. As with all medication, there is a small risk of possible side effects. Just saying ...
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07/04/2021 19:54:27 44 303
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You haven't researched this at all, have you? Back to school for you.
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07/04/2021 20:08:04 8 23
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It’s about the benefit those women get from taking the medication.

There is very minuscule benefit from young individuals taking a vaccine for this. Maybe it even increases risks given the decision that has been taken, I don’t know.
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07/04/2021 20:22:05 14 3
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Child birth is even greater.
Covid is not
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07/04/2021 20:38:00 22 2
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The point is it causes a potentially very serious and rare type of blood clot in the brain known as cerebral venous thrombosis. The benefit of the vaccine still outweighs the risk, but it is important to be aware of the specific symptoms CVST causes - headache, blurred vision, fainting and local paralysis & seek treatment. The reporting that it is "just a blood clot" is a dumbed down version.
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07/04/2021 20:38:21 12 11
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The level of ignorance of simple statistics is staggering. Especially yours.
I will explain it: Risk from AZ vaccine in young, healthy people is comparable with the risk of needing hospital admission. Risk from Pfizer vaccine is at least ten times lower.
Simple solution. AZ vaccine for over 30s, Pfizer for under 30s.
You know, like the experts said.
745
07/04/2021 21:09:59 5 5
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So pill plus az might be more risk?
If there are alternatives with less risk take those instead?
Also odd how ukgov seems to have discovered 30 cases overnight.. EU was on about risk for month.
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07/04/2021 21:08:24 5 10
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If 20-29 you're 30% more likely to be seriously ill at current Covid rates if you take the vaccine than if not. This is a fact. Birth control is irrelevant! Just because an individual chooses to take one risk does not mean internet trolls can force you to undergo another medical procedure that further increases said risk. This is not Orwell's 1984 as much as some would like it to be.
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07/04/2021 21:12:48 4 5
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Also infections will continue to decrease. If the rate drops to 1 per 10,000 this means you are nearly 3 times more likely to get seriously ill taking the vaccine than not 20-29. This is the total risk comparison inc all those aged 20-29 with underlying health conditions. In reality the risk of Covid for someone healthy in this age group is even less thus further increasing the relative risk.
08/04/2021 01:48:31 0 0
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But their is not election next year in France ...someone has to be Macrons fall guy and its us
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07/04/2021 19:51:29 248 23
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Since we have plenty of other options it makes sense to introduce this age factor.

But it's strange that the $3 AZ vaccine with simple storage requirements is getting all the media heat, while the $30 vaccine appears to be the first medical product in history that's completely risk free?
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07/04/2021 19:54:43 100 15
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A very good point.......
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07/04/2021 20:15:50 17 34
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You really think that these scientists haven’t looked at this too !? There really are non so blind as those that will not see...

You and your tribe see all this as some sort of smite on AZ and the U.K. and so want something to attack in return. More rational people see it for what it is, namely “our” vaccine is good and cheap but has higher risks. Risks that the U.K. was far too slow to identify.
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07/04/2021 20:45:33 10 15
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You think it's strange that the vaccine that has been demonstrated to have more risky side effects is getting more attention?

What would you prefer, ignoring the evidence?
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07/04/2021 21:39:14 17 3
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Ah but there was 23 deaths in elderly people in Norway, just after they got a Pfizer jab, the deaths were put down to the recipients, being frail. As mentioned in the British Medical Journal. It's just that there wasn't a lot of fuss made about it and other Countries didn't pause vaccination while waiting an investigations.

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n149
987
07/04/2021 21:42:29 10 2
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Follow the money.... springs to mind.
07/04/2021 21:46:40 1 1
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At the moment there aren’t plenty of other options, we have only just approved the third vaccine.
07/04/2021 22:21:28 9 1
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What's even weirder, I remember a story out of the US about a doctor who died after Pfizer--he had low platelets... Pretty much silence on that.
07/04/2021 22:33:12 2 1
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So conspiracies are fine if they're anti British pharmaceutical?

Remember last year when it would take a miracle to create a vaccine within a year to save the world? We had 4 miracles within a few weeks of eachother. So we had 4 medical products for the first time in history which are risk free at the same time.

Why so many contraceptive pill comparisons suddenly?
07/04/2021 23:19:05 3 1
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Big (read US big...) pharma wants its megaprofits...
08/04/2021 00:59:44 1 0
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It's a great brexiteer tool to hammer at the 27 with the cover up how great Brexit really is. Ask yourself what would be said had Oxford's jab failed and Paris's one suceeded
08/04/2021 01:49:50 0 2
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And whats the difference ? AZ is a British combined product and the rest are not and we cant have a leave country doing well
08/04/2021 17:28:53 0 0
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if you google it phizer has had more deaths i think this is about money
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07/04/2021 19:47:19 42 37
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Shame on you BBC for making so much of the blood clots,. All drugs have side-effects, why focus on the AZ drug and not the side effects of the other covid vaccines?
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07/04/2021 19:51:49 12 6
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Don't be silly. On the issue of vaccines, I think the BBC have reported in a fair, balanced and non fear mongering way.
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07/04/2021 19:48:26 6 1
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Why under 30 only?
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07/04/2021 19:51:52 12 1
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I think the reasoning is that the risk of clots seem to be similar in all age groups but the under 30's are at less risk of serious illness/death as a result of the virus itself. So the risk vs benefit is different.

Under 30's will be last in the queue for a vaccine so there should be a choice by then. If you are older/at more risk and AZ is all there is, better to get a jab sooner.
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07/04/2021 21:39:10 1 0
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I agree with you but heard another reason as well.
Healthy, younger people have a stronger immune response than older people after an AZ vaccination. The stronger immune response preticipates a DIC with low Thrombocytes and Coagulopathy eg Blood clots. That is why younger people are at higher risk than older people for blood clots after an AZ vaccination.
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07/04/2021 19:51:53 10 13
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I am very pleased that young people are now getting the jab, it helps to stop them from passing on the disease to everyone else.
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07/04/2021 19:53:36 11 6
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No it doesn’t
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07/04/2021 20:00:25 2 3
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Who cares if young and healthy (not fatties) catch it, the risk of dying is less than being hit by a meteorite.

Sure, everyone went along with the virtue signalling in case the most elderly and chronically ill decided to pop down to Tesco’s instead of shielding, but until there’s a vaccine for ‘stupid’ isn’t it time to get back to life and tremble behind the sofa about climate change instead?
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07/04/2021 19:48:26 6 1
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Why under 30 only?
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 0 4
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Snowflakes
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Meh
07/04/2021 19:57:59 0 1
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You mean compared with all the frail older generations getting priority vaccines? Sounds pretty snowflakey to me ??
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07/04/2021 19:49:58 6 24
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A dark day for the world. Faith in all vaccines including AZ are now seriously undermined.
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 10 2
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Not even slightly, all medicines have some risk, the vaccines are safer than most
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 9 26
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What reputational damage has been done by this? This is a vaccine that has only been given EMERGENCY approval. Why are we pushing for the young and healthy to be given this? Why is it not enough for those who are truly vulnerable to receive it? Precautional principle in medicine says you never medicate someone who is not at risk. Rushing vaccines to all is an accident waiting to happen.
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07/04/2021 19:55:00 2 1
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The basic immunological principle underlying vaccination is herd immunity. You need at least 80% of those around you to be vaccinated to receive an adequate although imperfect level of protection.
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07/04/2021 19:55:35 2 4
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So says someone who knows nothing at all about the science behind the vaccines.
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07/04/2021 20:01:44 1 0
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Absolutely. No advise on how to build the best defence of a heavily autoimmune system. Instead cheap big Macs and more agrichemial use.
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07/04/2021 20:00:11 0 1
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Because if you only vaccinate the 5% that are extremely vulnerable there is a chance a variant could manifest in the other 95% that bypasses the vaccine.
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 241 41
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"Should we be worried abour a one in a million risk?" - good question. Anyone who does worry needs to lock themselves away forever as there are far greater risks in life than that! Some studies there is a 2% risk of deep vein thrombosis from flying so if you are scared of the vaccine I suggest you dont get on a plane ever again.
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07/04/2021 19:52:07 116 167
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It's the people wetting their pants about coronavirus that are scared of everything
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07/04/2021 20:37:27 11 16
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Spot on.
Such a weak society ??
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07/04/2021 21:17:45 7 4
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Tell that to my colleague, who caught covid in work and gave it to her parents who both died within 5 days of each other. Big man.
07/04/2021 22:17:44 2 1
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No, it's actually the other crew. Scared of vaccines, scared of masks, scared of 5 freakin G, scared of the 'evil Gubmint'...yadda yadda.
07/04/2021 23:48:44 1 0
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Pretty confident you'll find that the same people who are hyper critical about the vaccine side-effects tend to mostly be the same people who've spent a large chunk of the pandemic downplaying the severity of the virus.
08/04/2021 17:55:51 0 0
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nup, I cycled on a main road today, a risk I decided to take, not one made for me by someone else congratulating themselves on being happy to put others at risk, so no second az jab until the level is reached where those who are either too stupid or don't care enough about being alive have accepted it.
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"Should we be worried abour a one in a million risk?" - good question. Anyone who does worry needs to lock themselves away forever as there are far greater risks in life than that! Some studies there is a 2% risk of deep vein thrombosis from flying so if you are scared of the vaccine I suggest you dont get on a plane ever again.
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07/04/2021 19:52:11 15 27
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Then why are you worried about a virus, that even less likely to kill you?
07/04/2021 22:19:18 2 1
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Tell that to the 2 young men I know of who died from it in their 30's, and the 3 women ages between 25-49 who have lung or heart problems after it, affecting their whole lives now, perhaps forever.
08/04/2021 07:26:48 0 0
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It's not about it being less likely to kill you. People seem to forget that, it's not just death that is the risk from Covid-19, there's also the risk of long covid, which can be terrible to live with.
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07/04/2021 19:52:29 17 19
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It’s typical Bojo: claim everything is wonderful and world beating then get caught out by experts.
What?

The EMA AGREE with Boris Johnson and our regulator that the AZ vaccine’s very rare unconfirmed blood clot risk outweighs the negatives of NOT rolling it out.

You cannot be that in love with the EU to be this stupid?
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07/04/2021 19:57:31 4 3
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Boris the liar
Way past your bedtime...... Removed
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07/04/2021 20:00:55 1 2
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Bojo didn't make it.
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07/04/2021 20:02:58 2 1
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Despite the fact Boris Johnson didn’t say anything and both the EU & UK regulators agreed the vaccine positives outweigh the risk.
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07/04/2021 19:52:30 80 13
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1 in a thousand taking the contraceptive pill will develop a blood clot. So why the fuss for something where the odds are much greater?
Because the pill serves a purpose, all the vaccine does is potentially lessen symptoms for a mild virus. Removed
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07/04/2021 19:56:23 10 7
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Because those results have been confirmed over decades, not months. That's the reason for a fuss, they have no idea of the odds yet. Do they?
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07/04/2021 20:14:11 6 16
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The pill provides are much greater benefit for those women than a vaccine for COVID does
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07/04/2021 19:52:35 88 16
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All medications carry risks. Don't want it? Don't get it, simply as that really. As for me, fill me up.
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07/04/2021 19:57:28 33 66
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That's true, but there will come a time shortly when this experiment will be forced on all of us!
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07/04/2021 19:59:02 8 7
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and most have been examined over many, many years. Not months. You go fill yourself up on it and I hope you are ok in a few years, but you do not know do you? so stop acting the fool
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07/04/2021 19:47:49 12 12
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Unfortunately for them, they won't be getting the brilliant Great British AZ jab. Way better than that foreign crap.
Oh dear another true blue Brexitard.Just a few facts for you.AZ vaccine contains something like 480 different components that are sourced from18 different countries.Most of our vaccines have been produced in either Europe or India. AZ is an Anglo Swedish co with a frenchman as CEO Pascal Soriot.2 of the Oxford scientists are Irish THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A THREE LIONS VACCINE Removed
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07/04/2021 20:31:16 1 1
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It’s half Swedish. ??
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07/04/2021 19:49:27 140 11
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Can we have comparable stats for the other vaccines to draw proper comparison? Last time I saw statistics for the Pfizer jab, the (tiny) risk was only marginally better.
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07/04/2021 20:11:03 37 137
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But I supposed that EU countries were playing politics , with Oxord astrazeneca according to brexiters. How come that the uk is following EU countries now.
Brexiters cannot stand that Pfizer Biontech is top quality. Only because it is made In Germany EU - by a German Usa company by turkish Scientists.
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07/04/2021 20:14:32 12 0
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High risk of anaphylactic shock, that’s why doctors are on call with recovery facilities. Still a fantastic vaccine.
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07/04/2021 20:23:32 1 0
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Give a link, please?
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07/04/2021 20:36:25 11 1
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LOL. Both the EMA and MHRA conduct investigations and hold big press conferences but both decide to ignore similar data for the Pfizer vaccine, instead choosing to do a hatchet job on the AZ vaccine because big Pharma wants more profit.....

Meanwhile, back in the real world, scientists in multiple countries discover that not all vaccines are the same as each other and that AZ has some risks.
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07/04/2021 20:44:29 9 2
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But the stats for Pfizer show that it is also a more effective vaccine too.....no idea what the test stats for the Moderna one are but ifs it’s shown to be more effective and supposedly safer than the AZ one too, then I can see a situation where people are holding back when offered the AZ and waiting until they get the chance to have one of the other two!
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07/04/2021 20:50:30 5 12
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Yes.

Go and do some reading.

TL;DR

Pfizer vaccine risk at least one tenth that of AZ.
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08/04/2021 08:30:14 0 0
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Having comparable stats is probably more important.

Just where do the other Vaccines compare. I'd like to know how Russian Sputnik V or Chinese SinoVac compare against AZ or any of the myriad of other more expensive vaccines..............?
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07/04/2021 19:47:19 42 37
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Shame on you BBC for making so much of the blood clots,. All drugs have side-effects, why focus on the AZ drug and not the side effects of the other covid vaccines?
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07/04/2021 19:49:51 11 1
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It is the regulators who are focusing on the az vaccine, the media are reporting what the regulators are doing.
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07/04/2021 19:50:51 224 23
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If you read the instruction leaflet that comes with paracetamol, regarding the possible side effects, you probably would not take it if you were that way inclined.
There is risk in everything we do.
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07/04/2021 20:01:03 101 13
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Well said.
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07/04/2021 20:41:55 4 2
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How long has paracetamol been about though?
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07/04/2021 20:42:56 0 0
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But more risk to certain people with underlying conditions. The smugness on this HYS from 'healthy' people is staggering.
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07/04/2021 20:43:31 7 1
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It really is pointless trying to explain this to people.

Driving a car without a seatbelt needlessly increases the risk. Using a vaccine known to have adverse effects for a particular group needlessly increases the risk for that group.
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07/04/2021 21:39:03 1 0
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I seem to remember it includes "may cause headaches"
07/04/2021 21:51:47 1 2
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did you also knew that if you got seriously ill or died from taking the c jab your family could not sue the pharmaceutical company or the gov.
07/04/2021 21:56:28 1 3
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50 years of testing leads me to believe it's ok
07/04/2021 21:58:59 1 0
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According to the risk list on my Nexium, and all the lovely folk who gave me dire warnings on social media having read the packet themselves (but never took it) I should be a vegetable by now. Instead, I don't wake up with reflux every night - a bit like what it says it'll do.
07/04/2021 22:23:32 0 0
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Last year I had a nasty skin infection. The antibiotics had a specific label saying 'use with caution in over-50's, can cause liver damage up to several months after use.' My jaw hit the ground as I am over 50. I called the pharmacist and he reassured me and I took them in the end.
08/04/2021 08:12:35 1 0
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Yep,

Paracetamol was licensed decades ago and is now the NSAID of choice for many.

Its toxicity profile means that it would never get near licensing under current frameworks though.
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07/04/2021 19:53:03 14 24
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So cutting corners testing doesn't work

Time for the truth
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07/04/2021 19:59:11 2 1
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The truth is it's less likely to give you side effects than asprin.
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07/04/2021 19:49:08 36 12
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There’s no shame in presenting the whole picture. I bet your daily tabloid rag doesn’t do that.
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07/04/2021 19:53:06 6 14
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Then present the whole picture on all the vaccines, otherwise it's not the whole picture is it. Or don't they teach you logic in your daily socialist rag?
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07/04/2021 21:24:47 2 0
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If you want the whole picture, then use the internet to cross reference reporting from a variety of credible sources that report on facts. Also look at how other countries report on the same story too. Use translation software for articles if need be. Then you'll have a broader understanding of the issues and be better placed to form your own opinion.
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07/04/2021 19:48:33 54 12
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Same odds as dying in a car crash... how many people wouldn’t get in a car if they knew that?
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07/04/2021 19:53:13 33 5
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less risk in fact
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07/04/2021 20:49:26 0 1
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I wish people would stop with these silly comparison that make no sense if you suffer from medical conditions that prevent you from taking the vaccines.
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07/04/2021 19:53:20 13 24
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No one under 50 needs this unlicensed vaccine medicine anyway so I don't see the problem.
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07/04/2021 19:56:50 6 2
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You wouldn't
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07/04/2021 19:57:33 1 2
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Some really good comments early on but it appears the children have awoken
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07/04/2021 19:49:58 6 24
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A dark day for the world. Faith in all vaccines including AZ are now seriously undermined.
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07/04/2021 19:53:29 4 0
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We've just experienced several months of a world without a vital vaccine. If you are looking for a solution without any risk/side effects you are looking for magic not medicine.
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07/04/2021 19:53:31 118 15
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More women have had blood clot from being on the hormonal contraceptive pill. Are they stopping that for women under 30 as well. Doubt it.
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07/04/2021 20:07:16 67 48
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Nobody is threatening women with social pariah status if they don't take the pill. Can't say the same about covid vaccines and the impending passport / Chinese style social credit score system we all now have to look forward to.
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07/04/2021 20:10:58 6 0
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Well there are stringent questions asked before the combined pill is given out due to what you described above. Migraine sufferers aren’t/shouldn’t be offered the combined pill at all. Those that are anemic also are not recommended to take the combined pill and use alternatives. So caution is needed.
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07/04/2021 20:22:56 4 1
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How many women have you put on the pill?
07/04/2021 23:50:55 1 0
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Plenty of women are not prescribed the pill. You talk as if people are regularly taking medications even when they get severe side effects.
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07/04/2021 19:53:34 3 13
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So what advice is being given to someone who is 31, has a recent history of blood clots and has had the first dose of the AZ vaccine? I will be personally calling Number 10 if they don’t come up with an answer pronto!
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07/04/2021 19:56:25 2 1
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Probably should have taken advice before todays news TBH
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07/04/2021 19:58:23 1 0
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Why not call you GP instead, like a proper grown up.
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07/04/2021 19:51:53 10 13
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I am very pleased that young people are now getting the jab, it helps to stop them from passing on the disease to everyone else.
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07/04/2021 19:53:36 11 6
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No it doesn’t
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07/04/2021 20:10:44 2 0
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Keep up - there is growing evidence that the vaccine helps reduce the spread.
Safe as houses folks roll up. roll, up. for the experimental vaccine it's been approved for emergency use only, of course it's safe Boris and his parade of medical puppets say so. You may never get covid, but with this poison you may die from blood clots, and its free, and cheap. . . Roll up, roll up. C'mon all you scared people come get it, you will be ok. . honest. Removed
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07/04/2021 19:55:14 6 0
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This site should be for adults only. Not you
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07/04/2021 19:57:39 2 0
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Way past your bedtime......
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07/04/2021 19:59:53 1 2
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I'm happy to roll up as a healthy 37 year old. Because I have checked the odds and I have a 1 in 5000 chance of dying of covid, and a 1 in 1,000,000 chance of dying from this potential vaccine side effect. I'd say it's a no brainer but clearly not that's an overstatement...!
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07/04/2021 20:02:12 1 0
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Like Moderna’s mRNA-1273, designed by January 13, 2020. This was just two days after the genetic sequence had been made public, the design took all of one weekend, done by a company that has NEVER developed any other approved drug since it was formed in 2010, using the mRNA "technique", a technique NEVER approved for human use anywhere in the world, only used in small trials on cancer patients.
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07/04/2021 19:53:53 8 4
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In both cheeks, please.
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07/04/2021 19:48:33 54 12
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Same odds as dying in a car crash... how many people wouldn’t get in a car if they knew that?
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07/04/2021 19:54:01 2 11
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And greater odds than dying from covid, so why take a vaccine you don't need?
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Id still have it and im 23, the risks are still incredibly low when you think about it!
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07/04/2021 19:54:03 94 221
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When Boris the liar says it's safe you know the answer
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07/04/2021 20:07:33 12 0
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It's safe then Panda....he doesn't test it you know
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07/04/2021 20:12:22 6 3
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I’m afraid the vaccine has nothing to do with Boris.

But why let facts get in the way of you prejudice. Myself, I think keir is a posho trying to appeal to the working classes, like Tony B Liar, the property magnate......
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07/04/2021 20:23:14 4 0
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What has this to do with Boris?
He has nothing to do with the evaluation of medicines.
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07/04/2021 21:13:46 1 2
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I no longer believe anything that comes from his mouth. I will have the vaccine in 2023 when it is no longer classed as a medical trial. And no doubt they will have sorted out all of the issues.
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07/04/2021 21:24:56 1 0
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I assume that you won't be having a covid jab then?
07/04/2021 22:25:20 0 0
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Give it a rest!
07/04/2021 23:22:40 0 0
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When someone makes a blatantly political post, you know the answer is the opposite to what they claim it is.
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07/04/2021 19:54:10 40 26
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The only reason the under 30s will have something different, is because this age group are the ones that take everything literally.They won’t see that the risk is rare they will just fixate on the 1 in million risk and refuse to use it! If offered another jab they may have it. All meds have risks as do most operations, but the fatal risks are rare. Shame people don’t use common sense to see this
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07/04/2021 19:59:25 15 21
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I think it is common sense to take a possible blood clot in the brain literally. I wonder if you have had both jabs already? Thought so.
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07/04/2021 20:00:15 9 7
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Statistically those between 30 and 50 barely need a jab let alone anyone under 30 and certainly teenagers don't need it. Some much hysteria and fear surrounding C19 thanks to GOV's and media, its worked on the Boomers, now they turn attention to the young and will basically bully them into a jab, its no wonder their mental health is as flacky as their education and job prospects.
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07/04/2021 20:01:12 9 0
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Jewel 141 - would you like to back up your comments about under 30s, or just rely on sweeping generalisations?
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07/04/2021 20:05:07 11 3
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To be fair if you were offered a choice of two vaccines, one with a small risk and one with no risk of clots you'd probably play it safe too. Your comment is just another excuse to attack the younger generation who have sacrificed so much in this pandemic.
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07/04/2021 20:27:16 10 0
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“The only reason the under 30s will have something different, is because this age group are the ones that take everything literally”

What a stupid generalisation.
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07/04/2021 20:50:47 2 0
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One in 10 million?? The Telegraph reported today that there had been 79 'event's with 19 deaths. So far.
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07/04/2021 20:55:30 2 0
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Shame people use "common sense" and not actual sense.

The actual government scientist said that the risks of the AZ vaccine and of severe illness was roughly comparable in the under 30s. The risks from the Pfizer vaccine is roughly one tenth.

So, would you rather not reduce your specific risk at all or reduce it by 90%?

Come one, I need an answer.
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07/04/2021 19:49:31 432 46
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Fair enough, spell out the risks, give people the option. However, the risks of getting a blood clot from the vaccine is about 1,000 times less than it is getting one from the contraceptive pill! Read the rare risks on any, even benign, medicine and it looks scary. Thing is, the huge majority of us take these medications and suffer no ill effects.
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07/04/2021 19:54:16 110 259
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You need to factor in the fact that those working have probably picked up natural immunity, which the survey failed to account for.

Why take a risk, when the risk, is perhaps not there?
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07/04/2021 20:09:30 38 20
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A fair point for younger people. If there is a very low risk of becoming seriously ill then maybe the vaccine isn't needed.
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07/04/2021 20:21:06 27 8
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Natural immunity is uncertain, the vaccine provides significantly more reliable protection.
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07/04/2021 20:23:07 19 12
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Right, and it’s now easy to take a test for T-cell immunity or antibodies.

The govt should be spending money on testing for immunity so that people don’t have to take vaccines unnecessarily rather than wasting literally £bns on rapid Ag tests which miss 50% of positives anyway.
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07/04/2021 20:25:00 17 8
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Immunity doesn't last, and your not immune to variants.
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07/04/2021 20:57:40 2 4
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Precisely. There is a vast difference between people dying 'of' Covid and those dying 'with' Covid (along with the more likely cause of their death). In China, 10.5% of people with cardiovascular disease died when infected with Covid, while 0.5% of people with no major comorbidities died of it. There were billions of unsymptomatic or barely ill Chinese...for most of us, there's negligible risk.
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Good point, well made
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07/04/2021 21:08:22 1 1
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Hope you don’t get a headache, have you seen risk of taking paracetamol. & How many of those are taken every day?
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07/04/2021 21:21:40 1 0
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'Natural immunity', ????
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1 in a thousand taking the contraceptive pill will develop a blood clot. So why the fuss for something where the odds are much greater?
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Because the pill serves a purpose, all the vaccine does is potentially lessen symptoms for a mild virus. Removed
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07/04/2021 20:08:11 29 8
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Because the pill...

What an absolutely moronic statement to make. Utterly contemptible. Millions of people around the world have died from this ‘mild virus’ and many more will. Not to mention the as yet unknown long term affects from long COVID.

Move to Brazil and fly a flag for Jair Bolsonaro. You sound like you have a lot in common.
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07/04/2021 20:08:57 15 3
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There are alternatives to the pill which do not involve risk to other people. I'd suggest the relatives of those who've passed away from this "mild" virus might disagree with you.

Everything carries risk - look at smoking - all those thousands with lung cancer from something considered safe at one time? People still smoke? The long term effects of vaping are unknown?
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07/04/2021 20:09:50 16 3
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I've known - personally - two people to die from this "mild virus."
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07/04/2021 20:17:09 11 5
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Not only that. It may stop you passing it on to your parents and grandparents as well... what’s that worth?
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07/04/2021 20:33:19 14 4
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"All the vaccine does is potentially lessen symptoms for a mild virus" ..... unless, I suppose, you are one of the 125,000 who have died from this mild virus.

Ah, but they aren't you so they don't count in your selfish little world.
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07/04/2021 20:40:40 9 1
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Jeez, what pills have you been popping ?!?! Clueless
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07/04/2021 20:58:40 3 2
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Tell that to the millions that have died. Oh - I forgot - you can't, because they died. I'm sure their families will be very comforted by you decreeing it a mild virus.
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07/04/2021 19:51:29 286 34
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And yet the risk of blood clots from taking the contraceptive pill is 100's of times greater. But that doesn't seem to bother millions of young women. As with all medication, there is a small risk of possible side effects. Just saying ...
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07/04/2021 19:54:27 44 303
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You haven't researched this at all, have you? Back to school for you.
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07/04/2021 20:06:26 66 3
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You are totally wrong. You haven't.
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07/04/2021 20:27:08 26 0
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It's common knowledge that taking the Pill increases the chances of blood clots. NHS website even mentions this, the FDA -> drospirenone increased the risk of blood clots and heart attacks, especially for women under 35. from (6 in 10,000) to (10 in 10,000). IOW: Taking the Pill your nearly twice as likely to develop a blood clot.
07/04/2021 22:16:18 2 1
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No, they are absolutely correct. 1 in 1000 have clots from the Pill, and yes, sometimes the same kind of blood clot. This platelet changes can also sometimes be seen in a strange converse reaction to a certain blood thinning medication as well.
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There is a 20% increased risk of breast cancer though.
Scary if you read the research, especially the recent Danish study.
Unnecessary when alternative contracepare available.

The Covid jab is extremely safe in comparison
07/04/2021 22:30:39 2 1
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You are undermining my case for freedom of speech ...
get your facts right and/or present a logical case for 'back to school', or shut up and sit down ....
07/04/2021 23:10:02 0 3
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You haven't read the article, have you?
Back to believing anything on social media which works to strengthen your confirmation bias for you...
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07/04/2021 19:51:29 248 23
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Since we have plenty of other options it makes sense to introduce this age factor.

But it's strange that the $3 AZ vaccine with simple storage requirements is getting all the media heat, while the $30 vaccine appears to be the first medical product in history that's completely risk free?
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07/04/2021 19:54:43 100 15
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A very good point.......
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07/04/2021 20:46:08 5 14
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Nope. it's a really dumb one.
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07/04/2021 19:48:26 6 1
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Why under 30 only?
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07/04/2021 19:54:48 1 3
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Because it's dangerous

But those with the risk above 30 are more likely dead already
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07/04/2021 19:54:53 4 23
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Firstly, we are the last to be vaccinated, and even if we do get it, the vaccine could kill us! Any wonder young people feel they are getting a raw deal?
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07/04/2021 20:03:24 1 1
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So if you was offered a life changing operation with a rare chance of you not waking up ( we are all warned of this before we are put under) you would refuse it? Good. Someone else can use that money to better their life and you can suffer
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07/04/2021 20:06:00 1 0
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Something at some point is going to kill you. Raw deal! You haven't been on the planet long enough to know what a raw deal look like. Get over it, stop whining. I do hate children who whine & snivel
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 9 26
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What reputational damage has been done by this? This is a vaccine that has only been given EMERGENCY approval. Why are we pushing for the young and healthy to be given this? Why is it not enough for those who are truly vulnerable to receive it? Precautional principle in medicine says you never medicate someone who is not at risk. Rushing vaccines to all is an accident waiting to happen.
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07/04/2021 19:55:00 2 1
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The basic immunological principle underlying vaccination is herd immunity. You need at least 80% of those around you to be vaccinated to receive an adequate although imperfect level of protection.
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07/04/2021 19:55:10 21 18
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We all suffer from clots. They’re called the government.
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07/04/2021 19:58:13 11 2
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Edges so sharp I cut myself scrolling past ??
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07/04/2021 20:00:55 1 0
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Think after this evening Channel 4 News have a studio full of them as well!
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07/04/2021 20:03:31 2 2
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Yes blood clots are terrible for the individuals concerned, but the clots you mentioned are responsible for 140,000 + deaths
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07/04/2021 19:50:49 8 31
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Johnson signed up for the cheapest vaccine just to keep costs down
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07/04/2021 19:55:13 8 0
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Also bought millions of Pfizer jabs also, now where is your argument?
Safe as houses folks roll up. roll, up. for the experimental vaccine it's been approved for emergency use only, of course it's safe Boris and his parade of medical puppets say so. You may never get covid, but with this poison you may die from blood clots, and its free, and cheap. . . Roll up, roll up. C'mon all you scared people come get it, you will be ok. . honest. Removed
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07/04/2021 19:55:14 6 0
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This site should be for adults only. Not you
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07/04/2021 19:52:29 17 19
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It’s typical Bojo: claim everything is wonderful and world beating then get caught out by experts.
What?

The EMA AGREE with Boris Johnson and our regulator that the AZ vaccine’s very rare unconfirmed blood clot risk outweighs the negatives of NOT rolling it out.

You cannot be that in love with the EU to be this stupid?
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07/04/2021 20:03:30 5 0
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I live in the EU and if anyone is having any doubts feel free to post their AZ vaccine to me!
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07/04/2021 19:48:33 54 12
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Same odds as dying in a car crash... how many people wouldn’t get in a car if they knew that?
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07/04/2021 19:55:21 1 0
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Going of car deaths it's lethal
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 9 26
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What reputational damage has been done by this? This is a vaccine that has only been given EMERGENCY approval. Why are we pushing for the young and healthy to be given this? Why is it not enough for those who are truly vulnerable to receive it? Precautional principle in medicine says you never medicate someone who is not at risk. Rushing vaccines to all is an accident waiting to happen.
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07/04/2021 19:55:35 2 4
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So says someone who knows nothing at all about the science behind the vaccines.
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07/04/2021 19:59:13 3 1
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You don’t either
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07/04/2021 19:50:49 8 31
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Johnson signed up for the cheapest vaccine just to keep costs down
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07/04/2021 19:56:00 3 2
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Whilst Europe just ignored the vaccines and decided to let Covid do its work instead.
07/04/2021 22:17:04 0 0
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Nonsense.
Many EU countries have had tougher lockdown rules than us to try to halt Covid.
The EU as a block have manufactured many more Covid vaccines than us, they've exported 40m doses too, when we've exported zilch. There's a shortage of vaccines in the EU, which is why non western vaccines are now being sought.

Its not the EU, but individual nations that decide how to administer vaccines
Safe as houses folks roll up. roll, up. for the experimental vaccine it's been approved for emergency use only, of course it's safe Boris and his parade of medical puppets say so. You may never get covid, but with this poison you may die from blood clots, and its free, and cheap. . . Roll up, roll up. C'mon all you scared people come get it, you will be ok. . honest. Removed
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07/04/2021 19:56:07 5 10
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I’m not a vaccine denier. But it is concerning that so many countries have limited or straight out banned this vaccine yet we were told previously that any doubts around the vaccine were ridiculous..
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07/04/2021 19:56:10 11 19
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Oh, we are suddenly concerned for the health and wellbeing of the under 30s. Would this be the same group of people who have had their lives, careers, livelihoods, aspirations, social lives and self esteem crushed in an attempt to keep the elderly and permanently baffled members of society alive for a few more weeks?
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07/04/2021 20:00:27 1 2
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The selfish have spoken. If you ever reach old age I hope you are ignored and treated with contempt. You are part of what this country a heaving vile cess pit
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07/04/2021 20:00:59 2 1
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What a horrid person you sound!! Sadly the some of the youth of today come across as rude and selfish with comments like this! Maybe the few that aren’t like this would love to keep their Nan and grandad protected! Shame they can’t be protected from people like you!
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07/04/2021 20:02:00 2 0
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Or is it the same group who have wilfully ignored the guidelines and helped spread the disease further because they thought the rules didn't apply to them because it was an old persons disease and that parties and raves were more important?
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07/04/2021 20:03:44 3 2
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Fine, don't get the jab, catch the virus & kill your granny. The whole country has had its life put on hold. Just get on with it & stop snivelling
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07/04/2021 20:38:15 1 0
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In 2020 a virus arrived & pushed a tiny percent of very old, very sick people over the edge of their already inevitable demise. Sad, but remarkably common. And for this, We accepted house arrest, unemployment, cancelled Xmas, creeping around 2 metres away from everybody else whilst having a sanitary towel strapped to our faces just to shop for food, Now we are told to have experimental Vaccines.
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07/04/2021 19:56:14 92 11
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The chance of any one of us dying in a road collision in the next 12 months is approx ' 1:32,000.
Most people don't worry about that, we just get on with life.
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07/04/2021 20:01:01 22 27
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We do. Road deaths have been drastically reduced over the last 2 decades due to good safety features and regulations and management of risk. This is the same. If you can come up with a vaccine that reduces that risk to zero then I'm sure you would make a mint.
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07/04/2021 20:07:24 10 1
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You're using statistics wrong. Some people don't drive. Others don't drink and drive. Chances are not equal for everyone. Same as dying of Covid-19 chances are not equal for everyone under 60 - it's usually the morbidly obese that succumb.
When presented with a choice, you should value risk and reward based on your own profile, not just apply the national average.
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07/04/2021 20:46:19 1 1
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Pointless analogy if you already suffer a pre-existing blood clotting disorder though.
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07/04/2021 21:29:13 0 1
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Is that actually true of today, given that so many of us will probably still spend much of the next 12 months at home? No plans for my office to reopen until much later this year unfortunately, if at all, I’ve barely used my car this past year and imagine it won’t get the same use in the near future either.
07/04/2021 21:57:44 0 0
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Your sums don't add up?

That would mean over 2,200 deaths per year, the figures range from 230 to 250 fatalities per year.
07/04/2021 22:10:31 1 0
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Seat belts? Same mentality objected to them as now object to vaccines
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07/04/2021 19:56:19 213 30
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So you have more chance of dying by driving 250 miles.

I think this vaccine bashing really has to stop.

That’s the issue doing real harm around Europe especially.
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07/04/2021 19:58:19 72 35
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Agree. Ungrateful people!! There are counties that can’t get any vaccines and would love the chance to have one. Maybe they should not take the vaccine and stay in permanently. Do us all a favour so we don’t have to share the streets with these types of people no more
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07/04/2021 20:10:41 3 9
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Completely rubbish statistics. If the average car millage per year is 10,000 miles, that means that for Mr average driver they have a 1 in 40 chance of being killed in a car crash every year, or 1 in 4 every ten years.

I think not.
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07/04/2021 21:20:42 3 8
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That must be roughly the distance from London to Barnard Castle
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07/04/2021 21:38:36 0 0
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Well said
07/04/2021 23:44:20 0 1
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It is not "bashing" it is called science, you know, that thing that got you to live on average a bit beyond your 20s?
LH
08/04/2021 00:24:28 1 0
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What about driving 250 miles to GET the vaccine!!!!
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 241 41
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"Should we be worried abour a one in a million risk?" - good question. Anyone who does worry needs to lock themselves away forever as there are far greater risks in life than that! Some studies there is a 2% risk of deep vein thrombosis from flying so if you are scared of the vaccine I suggest you dont get on a plane ever again.
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07/04/2021 19:56:22 15 6
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It may be one in a million across the whole population. But it may affect certain subgroups at a significantly higher rate. The fact is we don't know.
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07/04/2021 20:11:10 23 6
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You are right.
Those that drive are more likely to be involved in a RTC.
Those that drink are more likely to die of liver problems.
Those that are unhealthy are more likely die of obesity related diseases.

Far greater than 1 in a million chance

If people are scared of COVID and the vacs then stay indoors. It is their choice, selfish to think others should continue to protect them anymore
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07/04/2021 20:40:57 3 1
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Yes. People with autoimmune disease, blood clotting problems etc...who have low platelets and antibodies. There are quite a few of them too!
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07/04/2021 19:52:30 80 13
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1 in a thousand taking the contraceptive pill will develop a blood clot. So why the fuss for something where the odds are much greater?
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07/04/2021 19:56:23 10 7
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Because those results have been confirmed over decades, not months. That's the reason for a fuss, they have no idea of the odds yet. Do they?
07/04/2021 23:37:00 0 0
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But the risk is so small, they’re not quite sure how small it is!
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07/04/2021 19:53:34 3 13
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So what advice is being given to someone who is 31, has a recent history of blood clots and has had the first dose of the AZ vaccine? I will be personally calling Number 10 if they don’t come up with an answer pronto!
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07/04/2021 19:56:25 2 1
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Probably should have taken advice before todays news TBH
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07/04/2021 20:00:54 0 1
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I’m sure that the advice was to get the vaccine. Hence why they have had it. Is it too much to ask to be kind to someone who might be scared?
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07/04/2021 19:56:31 3 5
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Why was the information about potential benefits vs. harms by age group, not displayed beforehand?

Now this information has been made available, I'd imagine many under 30s will simply not bother to have a vaccine when offered.

The long term effects knowing this government will put most of the country back into lockdown yo-yo.
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07/04/2021 19:49:13 241 41
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"Should we be worried abour a one in a million risk?" - good question. Anyone who does worry needs to lock themselves away forever as there are far greater risks in life than that! Some studies there is a 2% risk of deep vein thrombosis from flying so if you are scared of the vaccine I suggest you dont get on a plane ever again.
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07/04/2021 19:54:44 13 5
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There are no serious studies that say that about DVT. A plane with 300 people on doesn’t cause 6 DVT cases.
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07/04/2021 20:14:26 5 3
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Every Qantas flight to Australia will mention DVT in their safety video. I got DVT when came back from Oz a few years ago, cleared it self up caused no harm.
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07/04/2021 19:53:20 13 24
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No one under 50 needs this unlicensed vaccine medicine anyway so I don't see the problem.
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07/04/2021 19:56:50 6 2
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You wouldn't
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07/04/2021 20:04:59 2 3
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Because my brain hasn't been washed.
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07/04/2021 19:49:31 432 46
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Fair enough, spell out the risks, give people the option. However, the risks of getting a blood clot from the vaccine is about 1,000 times less than it is getting one from the contraceptive pill! Read the rare risks on any, even benign, medicine and it looks scary. Thing is, the huge majority of us take these medications and suffer no ill effects.
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07/04/2021 19:57:15 31 76
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After a year of no jabs/ little ventilation/ little masks, perhaps it is worth exercising a a cautious approach of waiting a few more months before having any jabs.

There is no need for this mass hysteria about 'missed overseas holidays'. Our health needs to come first.
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07/04/2021 20:25:24 17 28
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Absolutely. It made sense to vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable even though the long-term safety of the vaccines is unknown. It makes no sense and is v risky to vaccinate young, healthy people until the vaccines have completed their experimental phase in 2023.
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07/04/2021 20:44:34 7 5
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A few more months? The suicide rate will be through the roof. People are fed up of waiting and are already ignoring most of the rules. The quicker we can open up legitimate safe venues the less opportunity their will be for underground venues.
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07/04/2021 20:00:16 0 0
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Post of the day!
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07/04/2021 19:57:27 36 8
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More people will die in road traffic accidents than from AZ jab. Yet no one says its unsafe to drive
how do you know that? prat Removed
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07/04/2021 20:40:17 4 0
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It's well undertook that it''s not safe to drive, hence seat belts, airbags crumple-zones and in competitive driving helmets and harnesses. Not to mention traffic lights, zebra crossings, pelican crossings, crash barriers etc etc. It's definitely unsafe to drive ask Marc Bolan, James Dean or Princess Di.
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07/04/2021 20:47:49 8 1
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More under 30s will die in traffic accidents than from covid
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07/04/2021 20:52:25 2 2
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Daft analogy.
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07/04/2021 19:52:35 88 16
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All medications carry risks. Don't want it? Don't get it, simply as that really. As for me, fill me up.
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07/04/2021 19:57:28 33 66
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That's true, but there will come a time shortly when this experiment will be forced on all of us!
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07/04/2021 20:39:16 8 5
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It's not an experiment it's bloody life you obviously don't want to have a life... You want the science to lock us down forever
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07/04/2021 21:20:58 1 4
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Its a social responsibility as a Good Brit to get a jab: its not about you, its for the greater good.
07/04/2021 22:30:01 1 0
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Cannot see it happening, hopefully enough will do it in the younger cohort to keep the monsters in SAGE happy and then the hysterics will stop. Just hope that there is nothing nasty in it that will have long term effects because I am a lone voice in my family and friends circle.
08/04/2021 01:00:50 0 0
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conspiracy nut
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07/04/2021 19:52:29 17 19
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It’s typical Bojo: claim everything is wonderful and world beating then get caught out by experts.
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07/04/2021 19:57:31 4 3
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Boris the liar
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RG
07/04/2021 19:53:20 13 24
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No one under 50 needs this unlicensed vaccine medicine anyway so I don't see the problem.
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07/04/2021 19:57:33 1 2
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Some really good comments early on but it appears the children have awoken
Safe as houses folks roll up. roll, up. for the experimental vaccine it's been approved for emergency use only, of course it's safe Boris and his parade of medical puppets say so. You may never get covid, but with this poison you may die from blood clots, and its free, and cheap. . . Roll up, roll up. C'mon all you scared people come get it, you will be ok. . honest. Removed
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07/04/2021 19:57:39 2 0
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Way past your bedtime......
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07/04/2021 19:51:54 0 4
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Snowflakes
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Meh
07/04/2021 19:57:59 0 1
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You mean compared with all the frail older generations getting priority vaccines? Sounds pretty snowflakey to me ??
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07/04/2021 19:58:11 55 11
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As usual, the comments on this HYS prove the risk of chronic stupidity is very high in little britain.
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07/04/2021 20:01:27 27 12
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Good job you're here to maintain standards.
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07/04/2021 21:29:53 3 2
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Any particular comments, or just those you don't like or agree with?
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07/04/2021 19:55:10 21 18
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We all suffer from clots. They’re called the government.
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07/04/2021 19:58:13 11 2
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Edges so sharp I cut myself scrolling past ??
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07/04/2021 19:58:16 7 8
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Who could possibly have predicted that a vaccine whose development has been rushed, and which hasn't been thoroughly tested, might have unforeseen side effects?
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07/04/2021 19:56:19 213 30
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So you have more chance of dying by driving 250 miles.

I think this vaccine bashing really has to stop.

That’s the issue doing real harm around Europe especially.
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07/04/2021 19:58:19 72 35
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Agree. Ungrateful people!! There are counties that can’t get any vaccines and would love the chance to have one. Maybe they should not take the vaccine and stay in permanently. Do us all a favour so we don’t have to share the streets with these types of people no more
07/04/2021 22:22:45 3 0
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If I passed you in the street how would you know whether I had taken a jab or not? I think it is you that needs to stay in (or find some kind of utopia where only vaccined people live) because I don't care whether you are anyone else has been jabbed, fear is a terrible thing and will bring a whole swathe of the population down if you let it.
08/04/2021 01:51:19 0 0
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Well we will be on holiday and back to work whilst they are still in lock down
08/04/2021 17:56:31 0 0
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send them our overstocks of az.....
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07/04/2021 19:53:34 3 13
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So what advice is being given to someone who is 31, has a recent history of blood clots and has had the first dose of the AZ vaccine? I will be personally calling Number 10 if they don’t come up with an answer pronto!
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07/04/2021 19:58:23 1 0
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Why not call you GP instead, like a proper grown up.
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07/04/2021 19:58:27 30 4
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With a risk of clots deaths at 1 per 2.5 million jabs you could vaccinate the whole population of the EU (448 million) and on current expected risk expect to see about 179 deaths from clots in total. About a quarter of the current daily death toll in the unvaccinated population in the EU or the same as the daily total in France currently.

Its about understanding risk. Nothing more.
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07/04/2021 20:05:28 9 18
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Stats are over the last few months, where will they be in a few years? People like you want things to go well and believe the government, however it wasn't that long ago when the government and it's scientists insisted cigarettes were safe along with asbestos. You believe what you want but I guarantee this will all end in tears
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07/04/2021 20:55:55 2 0
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It's about understanding that not all people are the same. Some have medical conditions that put them at risk of the jab, like blood clotting issues.
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07/04/2021 19:48:33 54 12
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Same odds as dying in a car crash... how many people wouldn’t get in a car if they knew that?
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07/04/2021 19:58:32 0 0
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That is not what it said. It said risk is same, I.e minuscule in both. It did not say you die by driving 250 miles......
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07/04/2021 19:58:42 25 6
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Late 20's and would be more than happy to have the AZ vaccine. Risks are miniscule. The sooner we get herd community and can go back to leading normal lives the better!
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07/04/2021 21:37:58 3 3
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Herd community? That’s a new one.
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07/04/2021 19:58:46 22 4
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Is anyone really shocked by this. All vaccines were developed at speed and with calculated risks taken in order to achieve.

It’s no surprise that over time there we’re going to be issues like this.

Ultimately it’s a trade off and the stats show that it was the right decision to approve and administer.
08/04/2021 07:54:53 3 0
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No healthy person under the age of 60 needs this vaccine though.
We are setting a precedent for pushing unnecessary treatments upon our population.
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07/04/2021 19:50:53 23 10
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Making a success of your life involves taking various risks along the way which is why we have a generation of failures coming through.. Compare this one in a million chance against the chances of going over the top in the trenches in WW1.
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07/04/2021 19:58:49 10 1
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Well, yeah, but I don't think anyone wants to return to trench warfare either!
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07/04/2021 19:52:35 88 16
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All medications carry risks. Don't want it? Don't get it, simply as that really. As for me, fill me up.
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07/04/2021 19:59:02 8 7
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and most have been examined over many, many years. Not months. You go fill yourself up on it and I hope you are ok in a few years, but you do not know do you? so stop acting the fool
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07/04/2021 19:59:04 0 0
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07/04/2021 19:50:49 8 31
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Johnson signed up for the cheapest vaccine just to keep costs down
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07/04/2021 19:59:06 4 0
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the astrazeneca is supplied at cost..
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07/04/2021 19:53:03 14 24
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So cutting corners testing doesn't work

Time for the truth
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07/04/2021 19:59:11 2 1
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The truth is it's less likely to give you side effects than asprin.
07/04/2021 21:44:26 0 0
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Yet aspirin was tested for longer and is used by more

Believe what you like
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07/04/2021 19:55:35 2 4
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So says someone who knows nothing at all about the science behind the vaccines.
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07/04/2021 19:59:13 3 1
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You don’t either
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07/04/2021 20:01:28 0 1
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No I don't, that's why I'm not commenting. But I do know that no-one who does no anything won't be posting on HYS.
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07/04/2021 19:47:53 184 20
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Id still have it and im 23, the risks are still incredibly low when you think about it!
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07/04/2021 19:59:23 18 30
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The risks to you from ending up in hospital with covid are miniscule and the chance of dying from covid at your age are virtually non existent if you have no other health issues. so why take the risk with an emergency use only vaccine with a 1 in 250000 chance?
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07/04/2021 20:05:42 24 13
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Perhaps because it’s not just about you and protecting you. It’s about society and protecting all of us. You might be fine and not even know you have it. But then you might also pass it on or mutate it without knowing and kill someone. Why take the risk....there’s why.
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07/04/2021 20:05:59 15 16
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This is the argument and completely correct.

The risk/reward of this particular vaccine (or any other?) for younger individuals is clearly not really worth.

Don’t be blinded by COVID deaths. If you really are young and healthy, statistically, you have pretty much nothing to fear.

Hopefully it doesn’t deter those older individuals where the benefit of vaccination with AZ are still huge.
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07/04/2021 20:06:59 19 7
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Because the risk comes about from a carrier who is not displaying symptoms, passing it on to others - the vulnerable.
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07/04/2021 20:08:26 5 0
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Until you do?
07/04/2021 22:49:35 0 0
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1. Chances of long covid and hospitalisation from covid are much higher than 1 in 250000 you quote
2. Chances of covid death in healthy under 30's is still appreciable (79 deaths in the no pre-existing condition 20-39 bracket in England against about 10 million cases)
3. chances of you getting covid are higher without the vaccine as it is shown to supress symptoms, therefore you are helping others