Covid: UK vaccine rollout 'breaking link' between infections and death
08/04/2021 | news | health | 1,071
A decline in cases has stalled but deaths have not followed the same pattern, scientists say.
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08/04/2021 08:58:53 29 8
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This is great news! So please, when you’re ready, can we have the next strategy for continuing the lockdown?
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08/04/2021 09:15:16 30 19
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It shows an encouraging direction of travel but it's not a green light for stupidity
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08/04/2021 08:59:55 5 4
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In Germany rates of this rare clotting was 31 in 2.7m with AZ.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are very similar, less than 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:04:22 4 12
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Rates in the UK are much higher due to using AZ in older people - something EU were not doing.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in the UK.
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08/04/2021 09:00:32 138 48
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This is critical. The lunatics demanding we go down to zero cases and stay locked down until 2022 and beyond need to comprehend that with the vulnerable vaccinated there is very little risk anymore. If covid was to sweep through our population we still would not get death rates like we saw in January, cases are not important anymore.
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08/04/2021 09:08:26 68 100
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we would be at risk and we will see rates like Jan if there was a new vaccine dodging variant, which will evolve faster the more people have the virus, so shut your yap, get your jab and then we will all be back to normal in the shortest possible time. Your approach risks a new peak
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08/04/2021 09:13:26 20 13
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That's not strictly true. No one really knows what will happen, which is why they are taking a cautious approach and have done different modelling showing the impact of a third wave
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08/04/2021 09:25:15 20 8
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But what you may still have if it runs rampant is the hospitals filling up with those requiring treatment to recover, thereby creating backlogs and potentially overrunning the healthcare system for all ailments.
The cases will rise as things reopen. Needs to be done bit at a time.
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08/04/2021 09:26:29 8 8
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No vaccine is 100% and there are tens of millions who haven't had one jab yet so I don't fully agree with you, however it's almost like opening lots of thing up on Monday was planned (to allow Covid to sweep through)..
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08/04/2021 09:31:31 30 8
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Patience is a virtue. A roadmap was set out and currently we are sticking to it. Goes to show how instant we want everything these days. We were in a viral pandemic and scientists got a vaccine out within a year of the first cases on our shores. That's an unbelievable achievement. These things used to take a decade! Yet the ignorant among us are getting impatient and throwing hissy fits still.
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08/04/2021 09:34:57 24 7
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No-one is demanding we stay locked down until 2022. Most understand that, even with death rates low, if transmission among the un-vaccinated remains high, the chance of a nasty new mutation is also high... thus impacting even the vaccinated. So follow the advice. This is not over.
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08/04/2021 09:39:14 11 1
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Says who?
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08/04/2021 09:50:50 11 6
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Tell that to the people suffering with long Covid.
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08/04/2021 09:54:00 6 2
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It's a mutating virus, what is so hard to understand about that?

Also it's suspected that even with the vaccine the virus can be spread by us.

The problem has always been that the virus mutates. Further vaccination will be required.
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08/04/2021 09:55:53 8 0
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Who is suggesting we aim for zero cases? Even Boris does not think that!
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08/04/2021 10:51:07 5 2
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Sounds like a straw man is being erected. Can you tell me who these 'lunatics' are? Preferably not just people who post on here or similar sites, someone with standing that lends their opinion weight.
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08/04/2021 10:55:29 3 1
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Do you understand anything about why variants appear and how they might change? I'd rather be a lunatic than a dolt.
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08/04/2021 11:11:58 0 0
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50,000 flu deaths in 2017/18 hardly even registered with the public. Some restrictions on foreign travel needs to be put in place, such as quarantine, until other countries have accelerated their own vax programs
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09/04/2021 09:12:04 0 0
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Or... maybe these lunatics have a better understanding of:
- virus mutation
- vaccine efficacy
- long-covid incidence and cost in terms of the economy and people's wellbeing.
- that some vulnerable can't be vaccinated
- that vaccine risk is negligible relative to the benefit.

Not to mention we are still not arguing for cases to be brought to zero.
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08/04/2021 09:00:45 28 3
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Excellent news, we need more news like this to help provide confidence that reopening society will not cause concern like before while vaccines weren’t yet available.
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08/04/2021 10:02:11 6 13
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But last night the link is 'strengthening', today it's 'breaking'. This is why people won't rely on govt assurances - we know they'll carry on blandly denying there's a problem, right up to the moment they're forced to admit that there is.
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08/04/2021 09:01:09 7 7
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Isn't this simply because the number of cycles in the PCR test was revised downwards in February? Of course you'd get these results then.
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08/04/2021 09:09:51 1 5
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makes the vaccine and lockdown look like they worked though!!
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08/04/2021 09:01:46 130 17
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Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
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08/04/2021 09:05:45 178 9
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The chances of blood clots in women taking the pill is between 3 to 9 per 10,000, far in excess of the AZ vaccine. There's no media furore about this.
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08/04/2021 09:06:38 6 14
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The blood clots experienced after the other vaccines have occurred less times than the AZ vaccine. In some countries, the incidence rate is actually relatively high and seems to be somewhat dependent on ethnicity.
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08/04/2021 09:08:53 16 5
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they have, its just not being reported, but look at the date from the side effects being recorded and Pfizer has had just as many of the same type
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08/04/2021 09:11:25 4 3
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Growing evidence of cause and effect in those particular cases.
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08/04/2021 09:20:12 16 3
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Vastly many more people have had the AZ jab, so a big sample to look at.
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08/04/2021 09:21:45 5 4
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What I mean by "less times" is that, as a percentage of administration, clotting occurs less with the other vaccines compared to the AZ vaccine.

The EU countries will continue to use it but for under-30s, alternatives will be offered because of their higher clotting risk.
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08/04/2021 09:24:10 3 5
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Same chance of blood clots if you are on the pill.
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08/04/2021 09:43:24 12 1
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Similar conditions due to low platelets (ITP ) have been seen after many vaccinations e.g Polio, flu, MMR and the other covid vaccinations https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ajh.26132
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08/04/2021 09:49:52 1 2
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You can look at data as part of the entire population or you can look at data for subsets of the population.

When the subset is Female <30yr old it stands out as abnormal. MAMIL's on the other hand are OK
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08/04/2021 09:55:44 2 10
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Clearly the science is saying the Astra vaccine is responsible. Read the news!
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08/04/2021 10:50:49 1 1
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they have been discussed, the other vaccines are not producing blood clots, the Pfizer Biontech produced 2 blood clot yellow card events in the UK.
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08/04/2021 10:51:31 3 0
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They will be - but for now the AZ vac has the highest usage (at least in the UK) and we have a very competent regulator.
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08/04/2021 10:53:20 2 1
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Pfizer have also reported blood clots, and about the same if not slightly more than AZ.
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08/04/2021 11:09:41 1 0
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I think other vaccines have also been implicated in blood clots but no further evidence is yet to hand. The risk is so low and there are warning signs and established treatments that very very few are a risk of death.
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08/04/2021 11:13:01 0 2
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Maybe for the same reason that 33 deaths in Norway after Pfizer's vaccine didn't result in a global suspension of that vaccine - it makes money, competes with AZ that is not for profit?
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08/04/2021 12:08:50 0 1
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the trouble with your statement is you used common sense
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08/04/2021 14:25:10 0 0
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Yes. A few people who received the Pfizer vaccine have also developed clots. The flu vaccine has very rare side effects. So it all needs to be put into perspective
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08/04/2021 17:09:57 0 0
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In trials there were clots in those testing the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at similar rates (the populations used for testing being mostly young and healthy). Once mass vaccinations started it was in the elderly first and mostly with the Pfizer vaccine. The AZ vaccine has been used more as younger age groups have been to be vaccinated so it looks like it is mostly the AZ vaccine, but may be both.
08/04/2021 19:21:12 0 0
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Pip
08/04/2021 22:04:12 0 0
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As AZ is the workhorse vaccine, it's only right that side effects from all other vaccines should be reported to allay any vaccine fears...........?
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08/04/2021 09:02:00 83 54
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"Covid: UK vaccine rollout 'breaking link' between infections and death"

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Isn't that rather the point of a vaccine ?

And yet we are still being locked up.
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08/04/2021 09:06:08 64 22
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Not everyone has been offers vaccine yet ??
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08/04/2021 09:11:45 26 12
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locked up? I bet you can go out the front door, go on , try it!
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08/04/2021 09:57:22 12 4
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Are you actually locked up - around here we can actually out. No armed police at the end of the road here either. Where are you, North Korea?
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08/04/2021 09:59:16 7 2
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“And yet we are still being locked up.”

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Who’s locking you up?
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08/04/2021 11:11:38 2 0
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And you're still ignoring reality - whether deliberately or not.
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08/04/2021 11:17:24 2 2
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You're not locked up. Your privileged lifestyle has been temporarily and mildly restricted.
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08/04/2021 11:59:37 0 1
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They had to kill many herds of symptomless cattle to wipe out BSE in the UK a few years ago. A lockdown whilst awaiting herd immunity from a vaccination programme is a much better alternative.
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08/04/2021 09:03:13 145 39
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Can't wait to be vaccinated when it's my turn.
Just don't ask me for proof when I want to go about my daily business.
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08/04/2021 09:05:15 91 13
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My sentiments exactly. We have high take up and low vaccine hesitancy/antivaxx feeling here, why not try encouragement over coercion?
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08/04/2021 09:12:28 14 5
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Absolutely agree.
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Ann
08/04/2021 09:25:36 31 5
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Completely agree with your comment. Being against vaccine passport does not mean you are anti vaxxer which most people are assuming when you oppose the id.
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08/04/2021 09:27:05 28 6
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Likewise, I've had my first jab and booked in for the second- but in no way does that give me the right to demand proof from anyone that they have done likewise. No one have to produce papers to move around, socialise, conduct business or simply live within a modern secular democracy, a status I sincerely hope that the UK can maintain, despite the current threats to that happy state
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08/04/2021 09:31:00 15 22
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If you're going for the jab, why on earth are you complaining if folk want to see? Surely the fact you've had it means you'll have access to all areas as such? Fairly silly to say you won't be checked, because it will be a requirement!
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08/04/2021 10:08:23 4 1
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Agree
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08/04/2021 10:29:06 3 3
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If everyone was as public spirited as you it wouldnt be necessary. Unfortunately controls always have to be put in place for the selfish who dont care about others.
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08/04/2021 10:49:57 1 5
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Why not?
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08/04/2021 11:09:49 2 2
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Not your "daily business".
You have to provide proof that you're vaccinated only if you're involved in activities that can infect others.

I suppose you got bored staying inside and you need a mass hysteria to break your boredom.
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08/04/2021 13:01:26 0 0
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Exactly! We shouldn't need to provide any proof when it's all digitally recorded anyway
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Jo
08/04/2021 17:10:07 0 0
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Why ever not?
08/04/2021 19:22:20 0 0
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As long as your daily business does not affect my daily business.
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08/04/2021 09:03:20 246 47
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This should bbc headline, not halfway down the page! We are getting very bad at spreading GOOD news, favouring fear mongering instead.
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08/04/2021 09:10:04 63 12
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So therefore jab reassurance is incredibly important, which is what the main headline is about.
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08/04/2021 09:12:01 3 0
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It was major news when it was first noted weeks ago, this is the lag confirmation article as firmer data arrives
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08/04/2021 09:25:12 19 6
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Most news is bad news. The purpose of news is to inform the public. It is not 'scaremongering', you just scare easily. Don't shoot the messenger.
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08/04/2021 10:26:26 5 1
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Unfortunately fear and scaremongering is what drives news - you only have to look at the HYS and some people just want an excuse to shout at others. It is a shame that some even want the pandemic to be worse for some macabre political point scoring reasons.
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08/04/2021 11:04:37 4 1
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The headline is very good news, I can only infer that you haven't read or understood it. Or your desire to bash the BBC precludes such action.
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08/04/2021 11:07:42 3 4
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Since when has the BBC been in the business of spreading good news? They undermine Britain at every stage. WAKE UP BBC we are on to your negative agenda.
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08/04/2021 11:36:18 0 3
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The BBC website ranks articles as most read, by itself. Rather than some IT guy moving stuff all the time.

"favouring fear mongering instead." Thats how the news works. Hence the bongs and drums as the intro tune. It strikes the cave man part of your brain.
Plus, Brexit was nothing but.
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08/04/2021 11:56:54 2 3
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I agree with you, its high time the BBC wound their necks in, I,m tired with watching Hugh Pym and all the rest keep carping on about the same old thing. If you want to report crap tell us about how useless the EEU are about protecting their citizens not keep putting down our amazing achievments. BBC you are a disgrace!!
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08/04/2021 12:42:56 0 0
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It was at 7.00 am
VoR
09/04/2021 09:03:17 0 0
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What you call fear mongering turned out to be correct. And the good news has been spread too. It's just for long stretches of the pandemic, it was mismanaged, and hence the news was almost all bad.
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08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
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Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
or the potential for a new varriant! I doubt its a coincidence that the main varriants are South Africa Brazil and Uk, it was in these places they did most of the very first vaccine trials last year!! Removed
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08/04/2021 09:10:21 4 2
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Actually there is.
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08/04/2021 09:10:46 4 2
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Apparently there is "some" indication that transmission is at the very least lessened.
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08/04/2021 09:14:39 7 1
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Actually there is. But that aside the vaccine might stop you from getting I'll and taking up a hospital bed you selfish poltroon
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08/04/2021 09:18:39 5 0
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Plenty of evidence that the vaccine also reduced transmission. No confirmation though because it is almost impossible to prove directly.

Proving that the vaccine stops you ending up in ICU and reduces the chances of any symptoms is a lot easier.
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Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:07:27 5 19
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Nobody really cares what your choice is but you muppets voted a Tory Government in and if they pass this legislation then you will indeed have your own choice to make. Get it and get into venues or don't and stand on your hill proud.

That's Ok.

But you Brits voted Boris to lead you, and you reap what you sow.
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08/04/2021 09:07:50 10 1
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better turn off that screen you are staring at right now before it has any further impact on your dome.
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08/04/2021 09:07:54 10 2
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That's fine but the jab will also reduce the threat to others. Doesn't seem very holy to put others at risk
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08/04/2021 09:08:34 20 2
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Hogwash. There's no such thing as God. Religion is the biggest con throughout history. It's all about people having power over others. Fortunately the world is slowly waking up to this fact and it is obvious that the worst violence in the world is all because of religion.
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08/04/2021 09:09:03 6 2
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What's the point of making a comment like that?

You must know you'll get downvoted to oblivion. Rightly so, but you know that, don't you?
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08/04/2021 09:12:03 4 1
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Thoughts and prayers should get you through it alright. Knock yourself out...
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08/04/2021 09:13:06 5 0
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The sky fairy may be busy doing other stuff when its your turn to be infected, good luck with that strategy.
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08/04/2021 09:14:40 1 0
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And good luck to you.
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Tim
08/04/2021 09:15:28 5 0
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Not only may you injure yourself but you risk spreading the virus to others through your decision to ignore the science. Ten thousand deaths a week now being saved as compared with January, how stupid can you be.
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08/04/2021 09:17:16 3 0
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Had my first hearty laugh of the day reading this, thank you!
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08/04/2021 09:19:49 2 0
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Fool
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08/04/2021 09:19:52 1 0
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??
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08/04/2021 09:32:22 4 0
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I think you'll find millions of years of evolution gave you your immune system.

If you try reading more than one book on the subject...
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08/04/2021 10:20:31 2 0
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Take care - don't google for deaths attributed to act of god!
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08/04/2021 08:59:55 5 4
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In Germany rates of this rare clotting was 31 in 2.7m with AZ.

In Holland the rate was 5 in 400,000.

The rates above are very similar, less than 1 in 90000.

That’s why both countries stopped giving AZ to young people.
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08/04/2021 09:04:22 4 12
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Rates in the UK are much higher due to using AZ in older people - something EU were not doing.

Is 1 in 90000 a risk worth taking? Particularly when there are alternative vaccines and we are expected to reach herd immunity on Mon due to the numbers now vaccinated in the UK.
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08/04/2021 09:03:13 145 39
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Can't wait to be vaccinated when it's my turn.
Just don't ask me for proof when I want to go about my daily business.
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08/04/2021 09:05:15 91 13
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My sentiments exactly. We have high take up and low vaccine hesitancy/antivaxx feeling here, why not try encouragement over coercion?
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08/04/2021 09:19:26 18 13
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"antivax" is very much a Twitter myth, hyped up by unethical tabloid trash outlets like the BBC.

Only a very small number of people are anti-vax. Like anything online, a small number of people, posting all over the place can give a misleading impression.

We will easily meet the numbers required for herd immunity.

Unfortunately Twitter idiots and the media are useful idiots for authoritarians.
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08/04/2021 10:50:27 0 6
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Maybe you've misunderstood the purpose of 'passports'?
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08/04/2021 10:58:36 5 0
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The government think encouragement and coercion are the same thing.
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08/04/2021 11:46:54 1 0
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Because is Permanent. . .
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09/04/2021 09:09:42 0 0
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Because many people are unable to tell the difference between science and fantasy, and hence have such warped viewpoints (thanks social media) that they are not open to encouragement over coercion. Why should others be put at risk for that?

Frankly, if vaccination was compulsory (apart from medical exemptions) in a decade we'd not think twice about it. It would just be the norm.
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08/04/2021 09:05:15 18 12
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Great to see that science saved the day as seemingly people understanding and following simple guidelines and common sense could not.
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08/04/2021 09:49:05 6 7
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Far less deaths would have occurred if people had understood and followed the guidelines. If only common sense was more common...............
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08/04/2021 09:05:43 51 7
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The value of vaccination cannot be over emphasised. This shows that the rollout is really having the desired effect and needs to continue to try to reduce cases. The reduction in cases will vastly reduce the risk of "home grown" mutations so the border controls become even more important because imported mutations may circumvent our vaccine shield.
Please, if your able, take the jab.
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08/04/2021 09:10:59 20 25
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You're.
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08/04/2021 09:09:27 1 13
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Nothing to do with seasonality then and testing less?
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08/04/2021 09:01:46 130 17
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Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
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08/04/2021 09:05:45 178 9
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The chances of blood clots in women taking the pill is between 3 to 9 per 10,000, far in excess of the AZ vaccine. There's no media furore about this.
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08/04/2021 09:13:44 20 10
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Media dont like good news, anything thats bad news is front page banner headline news and they rub they're hands with glee, especially BBC & Sky
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08/04/2021 10:32:03 1 0
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Not all blood clots are the same. The rate is not the worrying thing, but where in the body they are occurring. In the case of clots related to the vaccine the increased risk appears to be clots in veins draining blood from the brain. This has a far higher fatality rate (as you would imagine) than if clots occurred in the legs e.g. DVT which is also easier to treat and diagnose
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08/04/2021 11:02:11 1 0
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It has been highlighted on (e.g.) Channel 4 news, Newsnight etc but it isn't being used enough.
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08/04/2021 15:19:01 0 0
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"There's no media furore about this." True, but there was a furore about it many years ago when the link between the pill and the risk of clotting was published. Then it became an accepted risk - just like people accept the risk of DVT on long-haul flights (remember those?!).

Most people are poor at assessing relative risk. The media, which love a scare story, don't help.
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This comment sums up the total irrationality of the blood clot propaganda against the Astra-Zeneca vaccine.

0.0004% of people who had this vaccine had blood clots. But it has potentially saved many thousands of peoples of lives already

0.1% who fly as passengers suffer blood clots, but flying is considered safe

>0.03% of women who take the pill get blood clots too. But condoms are not as nice
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08/04/2021 09:02:00 83 54
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"Covid: UK vaccine rollout 'breaking link' between infections and death"

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Isn't that rather the point of a vaccine ?

And yet we are still being locked up.
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08/04/2021 09:06:08 64 22
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Not everyone has been offers vaccine yet ??
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08/04/2021 09:11:29 13 6
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All the vulnerable have and Zoe, which is the most up to date indicator, is showing that infections are now down to the levels they were in July and the latest R rate may be as low as 0.7.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/cases-plummet-back-to-july-levels
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08/04/2021 11:15:09 1 1
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Not everyone needs to be vaccinated before the population has protection, it's called herd immunity .
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08/04/2021 13:58:24 0 0
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Not everyone needs it.
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08/04/2021 09:06:19 80 19
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And that's why it's important for everyone, bar those with a medical condition that prohibits it, to get vaccinated. There are no excuses - race, creed, income are all irrelevant and should not be used as excuses.
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08/04/2021 09:22:52 40 85
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We don't vaccinate under 50's against flu, which is more potentially lethal than C19 to this group.
I fail to understand the clamour to jab the whole population for a disease with a 99.6 survival rate.
Yes I know what they're saying the reasons are.
Like most of the madness of this past year... I don't buy it.
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08/04/2021 11:23:36 1 0
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Absolutely, C. Lucas (who else?) was saying that vax passports are discriminatory 'cos some ethnic groups have low take up rates.

It is THEIR choice, driven by their own ignorance (or worse!)

We are part of the same society. We have a responsibility to protect others.

Ethnicity is NOT a license to put others at risk. We need to stop pretending that it is.
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Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
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08/04/2021 09:06:38 6 14
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The blood clots experienced after the other vaccines have occurred less times than the AZ vaccine. In some countries, the incidence rate is actually relatively high and seems to be somewhat dependent on ethnicity.
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08/04/2021 09:12:27 8 0
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When you say less times do you mean overall or as a percentage of the number of vaccines administered? And where can I find a table of comparisons?
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08/04/2021 09:06:55 12 26
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If johnson hadn't hung an union jack on the AZ vaccine then the reality of any xenobiotic that it will cause side effects could of been truthfully discussed but that didn't fit Tory PR
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08/04/2021 09:42:45 1 3
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It was developed in this country so why not hang a union flag on it.
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08/04/2021 11:24:43 0 0
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Living proof it’s political.
... and money, of course.
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08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
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Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
or the potential for a new varriant! I doubt its a coincidence that the main varriants are South Africa Brazil and Uk, it was in these places they did most of the very first vaccine trials last year!! Removed
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08/04/2021 09:21:13 1 0
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Meanwhile, back on planet Earth...
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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FF
08/04/2021 09:07:27 5 19
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Nobody really cares what your choice is but you muppets voted a Tory Government in and if they pass this legislation then you will indeed have your own choice to make. Get it and get into venues or don't and stand on your hill proud.

That's Ok.

But you Brits voted Boris to lead you, and you reap what you sow.
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08/04/2021 09:44:07 0 2
bbc
Go back to reading your guardian
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
25
08/04/2021 09:07:50 10 1
bbc
better turn off that screen you are staring at right now before it has any further impact on your dome.
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:07:54 10 2
bbc
That's fine but the jab will also reduce the threat to others. Doesn't seem very holy to put others at risk
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08/04/2021 09:08:04 1 17
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Where is the data on cases among vaccinated persons, ok they are not going to die, get long covid or be hospitalised most of time but we need to know how many of vaccinated are spreading virus - if any!

If we don’t know this we can’t end social distancing or mask wearing until all ,including children,vaccinated
123
08/04/2021 09:18:36 1 3
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Jeez get a grip. Why does everyone need a vaccine when it is clearly a select group who are vulnerable.
326
08/04/2021 09:57:52 1 0
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If we know..."they are not going to die, get long covid or be hospitalised most of time" then we can indeed start to bring restrictions to an end. The idea was to ease the burden on the NHS and prevent most deaths from COVID, not to ensure no one gets ill ever.
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08/04/2021 09:08:08 18 15
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Great news - But recent history has shown us that certain sections of the population will seize on any news of this kind and see an opportunity to completely discard the guidance/rules/regulations.
I'm no fan of lockdown, but if it ensures we can gradually ease back to some degree of normality I'm happy to comply for the greater good.
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08/04/2021 09:10:55 8 9
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If we're breaking the link as this article says the guidance etc isn't necessary anymore.
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08/04/2021 09:36:38 5 2
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Surprised to see the down votes, but you are quite right.

If there had been better compliance with the simple rules, the lock-downs might not have been necessary and we wouldn't have had the distinction of over 126,000 unpleasant deaths.
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08/04/2021 09:00:32 138 48
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This is critical. The lunatics demanding we go down to zero cases and stay locked down until 2022 and beyond need to comprehend that with the vulnerable vaccinated there is very little risk anymore. If covid was to sweep through our population we still would not get death rates like we saw in January, cases are not important anymore.
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08/04/2021 09:08:26 68 100
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we would be at risk and we will see rates like Jan if there was a new vaccine dodging variant, which will evolve faster the more people have the virus, so shut your yap, get your jab and then we will all be back to normal in the shortest possible time. Your approach risks a new peak
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08/04/2021 09:12:46 43 15
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@"we would be at risk and we will see rates like Jan if there was a new vaccine dodging variant"

Same with flu, or any other virus that appears on the scene

We'd better stay locked up for ever then, hadn't we... ya know, just incase another variant or virus pops up... you never know, precaution, precaution, precaution...

It's scary out there... stay at home... forever....
You are an idiot. Stay in your house for the next 10 years if you like. But don't beg to have my freedoms removed to keep your fear at bay. Removed
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08/04/2021 09:51:26 3 16
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There is no evidence whatsoever that any of the so called variants are in anyway resistant to any vaccine .... so shut your yap you silly little scare-monger
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08/04/2021 09:43:38 1 4
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A new peak in what, specifically?
659
08/04/2021 11:14:33 3 3
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Dear Lord, that argument can apply to anything, lock yourself down if you are that terrified, let the rest of us actually live not simply exist.
870
08/04/2021 14:14:34 0 0
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Who are you to dictate to others? There are some people who are unable to take any kind of jab, due to medical reasons.
08/04/2021 20:35:33 0 0
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with so many people vaccinated, how on earth could there be a new peak?
if you want to hide behind your mask/sofa for the rest of your life, feel free.
I chose to live, with all the risks that come with it...........
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:08:34 20 2
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Hogwash. There's no such thing as God. Religion is the biggest con throughout history. It's all about people having power over others. Fortunately the world is slowly waking up to this fact and it is obvious that the worst violence in the world is all because of religion.
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08/04/2021 09:18:25 0 0
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Well said.
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08/04/2021 09:01:46 130 17
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Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
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08/04/2021 09:08:53 16 5
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they have, its just not being reported, but look at the date from the side effects being recorded and Pfizer has had just as many of the same type
565
08/04/2021 10:51:22 2 0
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Dullard quoting BS. Do you have any data to backup your assertion? I fear not.
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:09:03 6 2
bbc
What's the point of making a comment like that?

You must know you'll get downvoted to oblivion. Rightly so, but you know that, don't you?
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Tim
08/04/2021 09:09:10 356 26
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Back in January deaths were running at 1,300 a day, now its below 50 a day. A truly amazing result. Vaccination really works. Thank you to all at Oxford and Astra Zeneca and the other suppliers too.
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08/04/2021 09:16:41 58 382
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Or is it because the warmer weather is here? 2+2 isn't 7
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08/04/2021 09:23:49 64 33
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And our governments forward thinking.
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08/04/2021 09:32:14 73 18
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And no thanks to the UK idiots who made matters much worse than they need have been.

Shame on them.
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08/04/2021 09:42:47 12 2
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I wonder what the effect of the lockdown has been? That seems to be being dismissed and claims made that people have come out of lockdown exaggerated. That's not science.

Time will tell how successful the vaccination programme has been, but it is too early to be making ridiculous claims.

CV19 is a mutating virus and like flu will need new regular vaccine development.
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baz
08/04/2021 09:48:35 0 16
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So does catching COVID, so lets hear it for everyone that broke "the rules" and went out and caught covid, got better all by themselves and are now more immune than you would ever be with a vaccination. And lets not forget that apparently you couldn't have herd immunity to this disease to begin with or so they would have had you believe. Utter nonsense.
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08/04/2021 10:11:03 2 5
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We saw the same fall off last year without vaccines. We need to wait for the next wave come Autumn to see if the vaccine is really as effective as they would like us to believe.
5
08/04/2021 09:01:09 7 7
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Isn't this simply because the number of cycles in the PCR test was revised downwards in February? Of course you'd get these results then.
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08/04/2021 09:09:51 1 5
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makes the vaccine and lockdown look like they worked though!!
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08/04/2021 09:03:20 246 47
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This should bbc headline, not halfway down the page! We are getting very bad at spreading GOOD news, favouring fear mongering instead.
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08/04/2021 09:10:04 63 12
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So therefore jab reassurance is incredibly important, which is what the main headline is about.
525
08/04/2021 10:42:45 3 0
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Not if you're retired, or wealthy, etc. In fact the amount of people actually worried about job security is in the minority, most successful people have secure work, just the lower skilled, lower educated are worried. But everyone is affected by an effective vaccine. Everyone. Amazing what you can do when you have the ability tho think.
569
08/04/2021 10:52:48 6 3
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Let's face it the media don't do good news. It's like these days there is hardly a mention of cases and deaths now they are not newsworthy or scaremongering so on to the next possible doom.....the Astra Zenica vaccine and the miniscule chance that you might get a blood clot. Even the sister of a gentleman who has died has said it is more important to keep going.
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08/04/2021 09:10:14 46 12
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And once the whole adult population has been vaccinated, we should remove ALL restrictions at least within the UK.

The NHS will not be overwhelmed, and there will be probably be very few deaths from Covid - probably less than seasonal 'flu.

None of the social distancing/testing/Covid passports/mask wearing/other restrictions going forwards.
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08/04/2021 09:18:19 23 35
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Why would you want to go back to the old human-termite mound way of living? Lockdown was great.
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08/04/2021 09:29:53 9 8
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Eventually we should, but in a gradual way. At least until we know the long term effectiveness of the vaccine.

Better to have an extended period of relatively small restrictions than to have another lockdown later.
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08/04/2021 09:54:28 8 2
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99% agree with you.

We should lift all restrictions, apart from controls on international travel.
680
08/04/2021 11:18:51 1 1
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Eventually, yes. Not now and travel restrictions should probably be the last to go once your nirvana is reached.
756
08/04/2021 11:47:43 1 1
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Well done for pointing out the obvious.
802
08/04/2021 12:13:04 2 2
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For the sake of a few more months I can see no reason why we cannot stick with the distancing rules and masks indoors beyond June until all have had both jabs, so probably until Sept. Keep foreign travel under tight controls, until Europe caught up with us, then the same with the rest of the world. I feel foreign holidays to places with high Covid levels like France and Spain is too risky for now.
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08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
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Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
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08/04/2021 09:10:21 4 2
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Actually there is.
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08/04/2021 09:10:23 9 3
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If asked to get involved in a study do so. It clearly helps produce a bigger picture, to how things are going.
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08/04/2021 09:30:21 5 4
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Absolutely agree.

It was only through a study and an antibody test as part of it, that I found out I had been infected.

I can tell you, it came as a nasty shock.

I didn't have much in the way of symptoms, but it has left me with a long-term low-level cough.

What it did tell me was just how infectious this virus is and I will be taking precautions long after Covid-19 is forgotten.
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08/04/2021 09:10:31 8 9
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This is good news of course, if people get vaccinated and the vaccines do work and if people are cautious and follow the rules then hopefully we can look forward to a better year in 2022
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08/04/2021 09:17:45 1 4
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The flaw in all of this is the number of people in the UK who still think it's fun to ignore the (unenforced) "rules".

Add to this the idiotic counties like Brazil and Trump's USA that are the breeding grounds for new variants.

It's only a matter of time before new variants become resistant to the vaccines and the whole cycle starts again.
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08/04/2021 09:10:40 13 14
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Cue howls of derision from the covidiot brigade because despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they don't need vaccines or masks indeed hospital's weren't even swamped over winter as it's all been a big hoax to stop them having fun. And from getting haircuts.
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08/04/2021 09:17:18 7 2
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I enjoyed it. Far fewer people on the streets, nice and quiet, a better way of life. Having hair that looks like a bush is a small price to pay for those benefits. Oh and it might have slowed down Covid too but that's another story.
10
08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
bbc
Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
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08/04/2021 09:10:46 4 2
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Apparently there is "some" indication that transmission is at the very least lessened.
28
08/04/2021 09:08:08 18 15
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Great news - But recent history has shown us that certain sections of the population will seize on any news of this kind and see an opportunity to completely discard the guidance/rules/regulations.
I'm no fan of lockdown, but if it ensures we can gradually ease back to some degree of normality I'm happy to comply for the greater good.
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08/04/2021 09:10:55 8 9
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If we're breaking the link as this article says the guidance etc isn't necessary anymore.
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08/04/2021 09:17:17 5 1
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So if you are winning a race half way round a track that means you can stop and still win?
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08/04/2021 09:05:43 51 7
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The value of vaccination cannot be over emphasised. This shows that the rollout is really having the desired effect and needs to continue to try to reduce cases. The reduction in cases will vastly reduce the risk of "home grown" mutations so the border controls become even more important because imported mutations may circumvent our vaccine shield.
Please, if your able, take the jab.
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08/04/2021 09:10:59 20 25
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You're.
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08/04/2021 09:15:17 17 0
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Thanks, noticed after I posted but I knew you would be here to correct me. :)
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08/04/2021 09:25:41 15 6
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The capital Y that you suggest would be misplaced in the corrected sentence "Please, if You're. able, take the jab." Also the full stop that you introduce is surely a no no - it's normally there to end a sentence, clearly a single word does not constitute a sentence. All in all, FNCT, a rather poor effort on your part to critique afoctlan's original comment.
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08/04/2021 09:55:31 6 0
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You misspelled 'Pedantic'
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Me
08/04/2021 09:10:59 208 13
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It would help to also publish the risk of clotting from things we think nothing of doing.

For example the risk of having this clotting from the AZ vaccine is 1 in 250,00, or 0.0004%.

The risk of a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) from flying is 1 in 1,000, or 0.1%.

Yet we wouldn’t not fly due to the small risk of DVT, so please continue to have the vaccine.
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08/04/2021 09:14:32 32 47
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Of course you should continue to have the vaccine if you're over 30, but young people and particularly young females are more likely to get the rare cerebral blood clot that the AZ vaccine might cause.

That is why they are being offered an alternative.
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08/04/2021 09:15:28 9 12
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And the clot that the AZ vaccine might give and the clotting experienced in DVT are not the same. Different types.
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08/04/2021 09:15:03 5 33
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There are other risks involved with the vaccine not just the blood clots. You trust big pharma who pay out billions in fines for malpractice and then carry on. ??
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08/04/2021 09:22:30 22 6
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How many people will get blood clots by working from home and sitting all day instead of moving around offices etc.
256
08/04/2021 09:46:36 1 1
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Agreed.
325
08/04/2021 09:57:52 4 0
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For several years I commuted every 2 weeks between the USA/Latin America and the UK(thankfully business class). I was in my 40's but I was well aware that I was taking a risk but unfortunately it was a necessity if I wanted to continue to make serious money. People need to understand that life is not risk free and you have to make judgements on risks.
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08/04/2021 10:26:14 1 2
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This argument misses the point - Cerebrovascular thrombosis (the type of blood clot which may be linked to the vaccine) has much a much higher fatality rate than DVT which most commonly occurs in the leg. When you have multiple other vaccines (Pfizer, Moderna, Janssen etc.) available which have 0 increased risk of these clots, why wouldn't you offer them as an alternative?
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08/04/2021 10:45:21 0 3
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"For example the risk of having this clotting from the AZ vaccine is 1 in 250,00, or 0.0004%."

Can you explain where you get this information. Or is is from your dull brain?
545
08/04/2021 10:47:28 1 0
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And smoking and obesity and laziness and...

The experts are doing the right thing and, in an open society, we should be aware - but I can't help feeling that sharing information with ignorant people who can't process it is going to cause problems!
570
08/04/2021 10:52:50 2 0
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The other thing is that the actual virus causes clotting in many people... this is something cheerfully overlooked.

I had the AZ jab and have been fine. 1-2 days of annoying and slightly unpleasant side effects, but that's a tradeoff for avoiding the real virus.
676
08/04/2021 11:17:58 1 0
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Few people have any understanding of risk management, risk assessment and what the numbers really mean in the real world. But who needs this when you can read an internet blog written by a clueless idiot... Doctors, scientists, regulators what do they know?

Wake up folks, Covid kills and we've been in some form of lockdown for a year.
727
08/04/2021 11:37:14 0 0
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TBF (though I do it through gritted teeth), Matt Hancock did make this exact point this morning, specifically quoting the risk of DVT from flying.
847
08/04/2021 13:45:19 0 0
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Spot on
46
08/04/2021 09:11:15 15 9
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Many people don't realise that, absent the vaccine, the low death rate for e.g. 40 year olds hides a hospitalisation rate of up to 3%. See link below. Even 30 year olds have a 1.7% chance.

"Not Dying" of COVID isn't a given for the young - it takes medical effort.

COVID also often leads to long term morbidity.

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/covid-pandemic-mortality-risk-estimator
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08/04/2021 09:01:46 130 17
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Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
47
08/04/2021 09:11:25 4 3
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Growing evidence of cause and effect in those particular cases.
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08/04/2021 09:06:08 64 22
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Not everyone has been offers vaccine yet ??
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08/04/2021 09:11:29 13 6
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All the vulnerable have and Zoe, which is the most up to date indicator, is showing that infections are now down to the levels they were in July and the latest R rate may be as low as 0.7.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/cases-plummet-back-to-july-levels
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08/04/2021 09:19:05 7 15
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Young asthmatics haven't.
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08/04/2021 09:02:00 83 54
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"Covid: UK vaccine rollout 'breaking link' between infections and death"

-----

Isn't that rather the point of a vaccine ?

And yet we are still being locked up.
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08/04/2021 09:11:45 26 12
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locked up? I bet you can go out the front door, go on , try it!
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08/04/2021 09:48:16 10 5
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And do what exactly ?

Oh yes, work and the supermarket.

Thanks for that freedom.
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08/04/2021 09:03:20 246 47
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This should bbc headline, not halfway down the page! We are getting very bad at spreading GOOD news, favouring fear mongering instead.
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08/04/2021 09:12:01 3 0
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It was major news when it was first noted weeks ago, this is the lag confirmation article as firmer data arrives
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:12:03 4 1
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Thoughts and prayers should get you through it alright. Knock yourself out...
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08/04/2021 09:12:24 69 2
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This time last year the UK had recorded roughly the same level of covid deaths as Brazil...5k(ish). Fast forward a year and I think there is little argument that the benefits do outweigh the risks when it comes to vaccinations
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jon
08/04/2021 10:00:42 35 3
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Yes the rare deaths after Pfizer and Astra Zeneca vaccines are minuscule compared with the millions injected and the overall benefits. The UK must be close to achieving herd immunity.
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08/04/2021 11:09:21 0 0
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You're a master of understatement!
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08/04/2021 09:06:38 6 14
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The blood clots experienced after the other vaccines have occurred less times than the AZ vaccine. In some countries, the incidence rate is actually relatively high and seems to be somewhat dependent on ethnicity.
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08/04/2021 09:12:27 8 0
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When you say less times do you mean overall or as a percentage of the number of vaccines administered? And where can I find a table of comparisons?
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08/04/2021 09:03:13 145 39
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Can't wait to be vaccinated when it's my turn.
Just don't ask me for proof when I want to go about my daily business.
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08/04/2021 09:12:28 14 5
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Absolutely agree.
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08/04/2021 09:08:26 68 100
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we would be at risk and we will see rates like Jan if there was a new vaccine dodging variant, which will evolve faster the more people have the virus, so shut your yap, get your jab and then we will all be back to normal in the shortest possible time. Your approach risks a new peak
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08/04/2021 09:12:46 43 15
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@"we would be at risk and we will see rates like Jan if there was a new vaccine dodging variant"

Same with flu, or any other virus that appears on the scene

We'd better stay locked up for ever then, hadn't we... ya know, just incase another variant or virus pops up... you never know, precaution, precaution, precaution...

It's scary out there... stay at home... forever....
Yeah most of the authoritarian idiots you see on here, won't even voluntarily pay £10 for a flu jab each winter to save 20k lives. Yet they can't wait to get on Facebook and virtual signal like morons by posting their Covid vaccine card.

They'd also place the entire population under house arrest and introduced Nazi Germany style "papers" if half that number die of Covid 19.
Removed
888
08/04/2021 14:30:13 0 1
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Agreed! I think the scared people should be ok bcus apparently Flu has now been cured, doesn't exist anymore and nobody has had it this year PMSL one thing less for them to worry about
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08/04/2021 15:21:34 2 0
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Covid isn't flu. How many times do people have to be told this?
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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08/04/2021 09:13:06 5 0
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The sky fairy may be busy doing other stuff when its your turn to be infected, good luck with that strategy.
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08/04/2021 09:00:32 138 48
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This is critical. The lunatics demanding we go down to zero cases and stay locked down until 2022 and beyond need to comprehend that with the vulnerable vaccinated there is very little risk anymore. If covid was to sweep through our population we still would not get death rates like we saw in January, cases are not important anymore.
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08/04/2021 09:13:26 20 13
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That's not strictly true. No one really knows what will happen, which is why they are taking a cautious approach and have done different modelling showing the impact of a third wave
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08/04/2021 09:20:22 21 7
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Even the modelling from Warwick and Imperial, which is based on the absolute worse possible efficacy and assumed that R would be close to 1 now, when in fact it's now clear it's well below 1, still did not predict a huge resurgence in deaths even if all restrictions are removed and it already looks as though their assumptions have been too pessimistic as cases are falling faster than they thought.
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08/04/2021 09:05:45 178 9
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The chances of blood clots in women taking the pill is between 3 to 9 per 10,000, far in excess of the AZ vaccine. There's no media furore about this.
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08/04/2021 09:13:44 20 10
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Media dont like good news, anything thats bad news is front page banner headline news and they rub they're hands with glee, especially BBC & Sky
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08/04/2021 10:54:35 2 0
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Whereas media like the daily tabloids focus on bias confirmation for their narrow readership! The headline on this article (BIG letters at the top!) is extremely positive. maybe you just look for the downside?
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08/04/2021 09:13:58 1 7
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Vaccination is free, people do not value anything which is free. Perhaps there should be a change then there would be endless complaints but people would see getting vaccinated as a status symbol.
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08/04/2021 09:20:18 0 1
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Vaccines should be free but your premise is not wrong. Sadly.
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08/04/2021 09:22:54 0 2
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Of course if you put a flat fee on a vaccine then there would be cries of hurting the poor and the rich being unfairly advantaged.

If you only charged the rich you'd waste untold sums through income checks and the rich will leave for a vaccine haven leaving the UK with a bunch of poor people.

The answer, therefore, is to have no vaccine and everyone take their chances. As fair as nature intended
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08/04/2021 09:26:11 0 0
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Make it £20 per dose but free to anybody with a bad back.

The same people refusing at the moment would be queuing up for it.
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08/04/2021 10:56:34 0 1
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It's not free though is it? We will be paying back the cost for many years.
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08/04/2021 09:14:26 26 23
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Are the people scaremongering about dangerous mutations abroad the same ones who said society would collapse post-Brexit?
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08/04/2021 09:17:04 21 7
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No, but the people that think like you are the people that always bring Brexit into non-Brexit matters!
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08/04/2021 09:22:42 6 7
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Brexit is a disaster. That is why they’re so happy about covid to cover their tracks
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08/04/2021 10:25:15 3 1
bbc
So you think reporting on the horrible situation in Brazil that could easily spread to other countries is "scaremongering" then?
485
08/04/2021 10:30:22 0 5
bbc
You should look at what the UK variant is doing in the USA. It is hitting younger people hard.
693
08/04/2021 11:23:36 0 0
bbc
No.
45
Me
08/04/2021 09:10:59 208 13
bbc
It would help to also publish the risk of clotting from things we think nothing of doing.

For example the risk of having this clotting from the AZ vaccine is 1 in 250,00, or 0.0004%.

The risk of a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) from flying is 1 in 1,000, or 0.1%.

Yet we wouldn’t not fly due to the small risk of DVT, so please continue to have the vaccine.
61
08/04/2021 09:14:32 32 47
bbc
Of course you should continue to have the vaccine if you're over 30, but young people and particularly young females are more likely to get the rare cerebral blood clot that the AZ vaccine might cause.

That is why they are being offered an alternative.
153
08/04/2021 09:27:04 24 4
bbc
Young females should also stop taking the pill then.
280
08/04/2021 09:51:14 0 0
bbc
As yet there is no statistically significant difference in clot rates between males and females, the rarity of the clots means at present the sample size is too small to know.
538
08/04/2021 10:45:39 0 1
bbc
Brilliant analysis!
539
MrW
08/04/2021 10:46:16 0 0
bbc
Not sure why people are downvoting your comment.
Nothing you said is incorrect, disingenuous, specious or provocative.

Maybe down-voters thought you were implying under-30s don't need to have a vaccine. But you didn't say that explicitly, so I'm assuming you are in favour of all adults under-30s having the vaccine.
552
08/04/2021 10:49:40 0 3
bbc
No it's not! It's because the tiny risk from the AZ vac is possibly still greater than the even tinier risk of the youngest adults dying from CV.
598
08/04/2021 11:00:50 0 0
bbc
I wish the messaging would highlight that this is an Exceptionally rare blood clot! And the statement about "more likely" is spreading fear.
The risk is incredibly small but because it can be foreseen, the NHS has to do something about it.
833
08/04/2021 13:04:06 0 2
bbc
Things were too rushed, several different vaccines ad not enough trials to find this out before giving it out willy nilly. Sadly there will always be casualties of this BUT wait there's nobody to hold responsible if you are one of the unlucky ones.
868
08/04/2021 14:10:35 0 0
bbc
Young healthy women are no more at risk than many older people who have serious health issues, like existing blood clotting disorders.
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Jo
08/04/2021 17:08:57 0 0
bbc
Is a risk of .0004% really worth considering cahanging any course of action at all?
VoR
09/04/2021 09:05:31 0 0
bbc
I believe a major factor is actually the risk of contracting covid that needs to be weighed against the risk of vaccination. For these groups, the risk of covid death is lower, hence the risk from the vaccine is proportionately higher. However, if you also allow for long covid, it makes sense even for younger groups to have AZ rather than delay, in the absence of immediate alternatives.
10
08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
bbc
Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
62
08/04/2021 09:14:39 7 1
bbc
Actually there is. But that aside the vaccine might stop you from getting I'll and taking up a hospital bed you selfish poltroon
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
63
08/04/2021 09:14:40 1 0
bbc
And good luck to you.
9
08/04/2021 09:03:20 246 47
bbc
This should bbc headline, not halfway down the page! We are getting very bad at spreading GOOD news, favouring fear mongering instead.
Snowflake Removed
1
08/04/2021 08:58:53 29 8
bbc
This is great news! So please, when you’re ready, can we have the next strategy for continuing the lockdown?
65
08/04/2021 09:15:16 30 19
bbc
It shows an encouraging direction of travel but it's not a green light for stupidity
173
08/04/2021 09:30:14 10 10
bbc
Normal life is not stupidity
865
08/04/2021 14:06:26 2 1
bbc
Lockdown is the ultimate stupidity.
44
08/04/2021 09:10:59 20 25
bbc
You're.
66
08/04/2021 09:15:17 17 0
bbc
Thanks, noticed after I posted but I knew you would be here to correct me. :)
67
08/04/2021 09:15:19 3 7
bbc
Throughout the course of the pandemic there has only ever been two courses of action open to us: lockdowns and economic pain, or herd immunity.

The governments had opted for the former, and Joe Public for the latter.
493
08/04/2021 10:32:12 0 0
bbc
Government has a duty to protect the public. Pity so many of Joe Public are indifferent to the suffering of their neighbours. Fortunately the great majority of Joe Public could see the dangers of going for herd immunity without vaccines. Deaths were too high but they could have been much higher.
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
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Tim
08/04/2021 09:15:28 5 0
bbc
Not only may you injure yourself but you risk spreading the virus to others through your decision to ignore the science. Ten thousand deaths a week now being saved as compared with January, how stupid can you be.
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Me
08/04/2021 09:10:59 208 13
bbc
It would help to also publish the risk of clotting from things we think nothing of doing.

For example the risk of having this clotting from the AZ vaccine is 1 in 250,00, or 0.0004%.

The risk of a deep vein thrombosis (DVT) from flying is 1 in 1,000, or 0.1%.

Yet we wouldn’t not fly due to the small risk of DVT, so please continue to have the vaccine.
69
08/04/2021 09:15:28 9 12
bbc
And the clot that the AZ vaccine might give and the clotting experienced in DVT are not the same. Different types.
451
08/04/2021 10:22:24 0 0
bbc
Same outcomes.
869
08/04/2021 14:11:31 0 0
bbc
You have made a good point because it's those with low platelets who are most at risk and this happens with autoimmune disease....
70
08/04/2021 09:15:52 11 13
bbc
Deaths in England & Wales have been below the 5-year average for the last 3 weeks. We have 46% of the entire population vaccinated and, based on ONS data for ages16- 24 (unlikely to have a significant proportion vaccinated), 43% have antibodies probably from prior infection.
Why exactly are we still locked down? Are we still saving the NHS?
82
08/04/2021 09:18:29 10 3
bbc
because if we release all controls now there's a high enough infection rate and sufficient pool of non-immune hosts for infections and deaths to shoot up again
83
08/04/2021 09:18:31 3 0
bbc
Yep. Just wait a few weeks and you can do what you want. Patience not patients.
126
08/04/2021 09:23:32 0 0
bbc
Unfortunately, it still takes just one person to restart the whole cycle again.

From what I've seen on streets and national news, there are significant numbers of people who choose to ignore the warnings of the first round of infections.

Having had the virus and one vaccination, it's going to be a very long time before I think "normal" life is safe, probably never.
60
08/04/2021 09:14:26 26 23
bbc
Are the people scaremongering about dangerous mutations abroad the same ones who said society would collapse post-Brexit?
71
08/04/2021 09:17:04 21 7
bbc
No, but the people that think like you are the people that always bring Brexit into non-Brexit matters!
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
72
08/04/2021 09:17:16 3 0
bbc
Had my first hearty laugh of the day reading this, thank you!
43
08/04/2021 09:10:55 8 9
bbc
If we're breaking the link as this article says the guidance etc isn't necessary anymore.
73
08/04/2021 09:17:17 5 1
bbc
So if you are winning a race half way round a track that means you can stop and still win?
41
08/04/2021 09:10:40 13 14
bbc
Cue howls of derision from the covidiot brigade because despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, they don't need vaccines or masks indeed hospital's weren't even swamped over winter as it's all been a big hoax to stop them having fun. And from getting haircuts.
74
08/04/2021 09:17:18 7 2
bbc
I enjoyed it. Far fewer people on the streets, nice and quiet, a better way of life. Having hair that looks like a bush is a small price to pay for those benefits. Oh and it might have slowed down Covid too but that's another story.
197
08/04/2021 09:34:37 0 1
bbc
Actually many people are enjoying lockdown. Taking the opportunity to learn new skills or develop new interests. Also realising they don't really need holidays, pubs and restaurants.
75
08/04/2021 09:17:31 23 7
bbc
I've heard a lot of people say "what is the point of a fit 30 year old taking the vaccine"?

Well, at that age you have a death rate of less than 0.1%. But nearly 1 in 50 of you will nonetheless end up in hospital, being treated.

Although NHS staff are incredible people, being in hospital really, really sucks. It's immensely depressing. Well worth a jab to avoid.
121
08/04/2021 09:23:08 4 0
bbc
If you are under 30 you are twice as likely to end up in ICU with covid as to suffer serious side effects, but both are low. About the same as the risk of developing DVT by going on a flight.
761
08/04/2021 11:49:44 2 0
bbc
My understanding is that moving forward we want to reduce the number of people catching CV19 so that it has less chance of mutating.

The direct health benefits of the vaccine to the under 40s seem to be increasingly marginal, though anything that can be done to minimise the effects are a positive
40
08/04/2021 09:10:31 8 9
bbc
This is good news of course, if people get vaccinated and the vaccines do work and if people are cautious and follow the rules then hopefully we can look forward to a better year in 2022
76
08/04/2021 09:17:45 1 4
bbc
The flaw in all of this is the number of people in the UK who still think it's fun to ignore the (unenforced) "rules".

Add to this the idiotic counties like Brazil and Trump's USA that are the breeding grounds for new variants.

It's only a matter of time before new variants become resistant to the vaccines and the whole cycle starts again.
116
08/04/2021 09:22:35 0 2
bbc
I think further lockdowns are inevitable and I think the Government does to thats why it has extended its lockdown powers.
479
08/04/2021 10:29:23 0 0
bbc
Well you know what they say, if you can't beat them join them.

Social distancing after and beyond 2021 doesn't sound like much fun to me, I'll probably start living my life again variant or not. Assuming we don't become a police state by then anyway.
77
08/04/2021 09:18:04 3 5
bbc
Can we cross reference the rates of flu and respiratory deaths of previous 25 years over this and last years and see that we are moving out of flu season into April so rates would have naturally dropped.. remember it takes two doses and quite a bit of time to reach full efficiency, even by the yet unproven projections. So claiming this is solely the vaccines at this stage I would say is fake news.
97
08/04/2021 09:20:18 2 0
bbc
I think they know the difference between covid and flu
37
08/04/2021 09:10:14 46 12
bbc
And once the whole adult population has been vaccinated, we should remove ALL restrictions at least within the UK.

The NHS will not be overwhelmed, and there will be probably be very few deaths from Covid - probably less than seasonal 'flu.

None of the social distancing/testing/Covid passports/mask wearing/other restrictions going forwards.
78
08/04/2021 09:18:19 23 35
bbc
Why would you want to go back to the old human-termite mound way of living? Lockdown was great.
129
08/04/2021 09:24:01 17 6
bbc
The you stay in doing nothing for the rest of your existence, the rest of us want to get back to living, not merely existing.
754
08/04/2021 11:46:25 0 1
bbc
I would agree that it has a very positive impact on the way my industry is working, but I would like to be able to do something other than stare at 4 walls when I'm not working.

And as for having to take holiday and stay in, it's been less than ideal.
864
08/04/2021 14:05:49 0 0
bbc
No one is forcing you to give it up.
30
08/04/2021 09:08:34 20 2
bbc
Hogwash. There's no such thing as God. Religion is the biggest con throughout history. It's all about people having power over others. Fortunately the world is slowly waking up to this fact and it is obvious that the worst violence in the world is all because of religion.
79
08/04/2021 09:18:25 0 0
bbc
Well said.
80
08/04/2021 09:18:26 13 6
bbc
On the news at ten last night, Fergus Walsh said something along the lines of the AZ/clot link being a case of where the headline is far more alarming than the actual content of the news.

A case of Carry on Scaremongering BBC?
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amb
08/04/2021 09:47:30 7 6
bbc
That could be applied to this whole covid overreaction
707
08/04/2021 11:28:08 0 0
bbc
That quote is EXACTLY the opposite. This is the problem here: shareing facts (as far as they're known) with people who can't understand or process them.
81
08/04/2021 09:18:29 3 5
bbc
Would have been a huge surprise if the vaccine hadn't reduced the number of deaths, or they'd stayed the same. So once again is this a newsworthy story or are the BBC just filling space and making a story up ?
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Tim
08/04/2021 09:20:48 2 0
bbc
Deaths per day have dropped from 1300 to under 50, thats news you clot.
70
08/04/2021 09:15:52 11 13
bbc
Deaths in England & Wales have been below the 5-year average for the last 3 weeks. We have 46% of the entire population vaccinated and, based on ONS data for ages16- 24 (unlikely to have a significant proportion vaccinated), 43% have antibodies probably from prior infection.
Why exactly are we still locked down? Are we still saving the NHS?
82
08/04/2021 09:18:29 10 3
bbc
because if we release all controls now there's a high enough infection rate and sufficient pool of non-immune hosts for infections and deaths to shoot up again
70
08/04/2021 09:15:52 11 13
bbc
Deaths in England & Wales have been below the 5-year average for the last 3 weeks. We have 46% of the entire population vaccinated and, based on ONS data for ages16- 24 (unlikely to have a significant proportion vaccinated), 43% have antibodies probably from prior infection.
Why exactly are we still locked down? Are we still saving the NHS?
83
08/04/2021 09:18:31 3 0
bbc
Yep. Just wait a few weeks and you can do what you want. Patience not patients.
84
08/04/2021 09:18:33 33 21
bbc
Who remembers a time when we were locked down to save the NHS?
Now we appear to be locked down to save every life and sod the cost
94
08/04/2021 09:20:09 3 14
bbc
It will cost us our society - welcome China or the US someone will have to save us
253
08/04/2021 09:45:48 7 6
bbc
3 weeks to flatten the curve.

This has been the longest 3 weeks of my entire life. It feels like over a year doesn't it?

Goalposts constantly shifting and the covid cultists question nothing, and drag us all down with them. Thanks for nothing.
327
08/04/2021 09:57:54 4 5
bbc
Locked down to help slow the spread and hopefully minimise the risk of new variants. The more cases there are, the more chance there is a new mutation. It's not rocket science! If we keep numbers low and the vaccines rolling out then we can start to relax. HOLD THE LINE!!
10
08/04/2021 09:03:41 7 17
bbc
Any news confirming that vaccination eliminates onward transmission?
Thought not.
85
08/04/2021 09:18:39 5 0
bbc
Plenty of evidence that the vaccine also reduced transmission. No confirmation though because it is almost impossible to prove directly.

Proving that the vaccine stops you ending up in ICU and reduces the chances of any symptoms is a lot easier.
86
08/04/2021 09:19:02 8 9
bbc
So why are we still being 'locked' up as some say? Because

1 - not every adult has been vaccinated
2 - vaccine supply may not be guaranteed
3 - transmissions had not been proven to be reduced via vaccinations
4 - more transmissions, even if no hospital needed, could lead to mutations

I'm sure this is not an exhaustive list but patience is required.

The Gov't are finally getting it right IMO.
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W 6
08/04/2021 09:22:21 2 4
bbc
1 - We don't need every adult vaccinated.
2 - See above, plus greater manufacturing capacity is coming to the UK very soon.
3 - Yes, it comprehensively has. See Israel for further details.
4 - "There may be a mutation" is a dynamic which could go on indefinitely.

The pace is of the roadmap is absolutely glacial.
135
08/04/2021 09:24:35 0 1
bbc
Virologists could have explained this months ago but govt wouldn’t let them - potential population for virus about 7 billion (-children) so circulating virus mutations still very likely.
We are creating temporary pool of safety 50 million strong hoping boosters designed before lockdown causing variants reach us
145
08/04/2021 09:25:59 1 0
bbc
By your logic, we will be locked up forever.......ridiculous.
146
08/04/2021 09:26:11 1 1
bbc
1. You don't have to be vaccinated to be immune. ONS data suggests 30% to 40% have antibodies from infection.
2. So we lockdown until everyone is vaccinated?
3. Incorrect. PHE and Scottish study shows this. Even SAGE models are including a 60% effect.
4. Mutations can even at low prevalence. You cannot lockdown on the basis of ifs and maybes.
48
08/04/2021 09:11:29 13 6
bbc
All the vulnerable have and Zoe, which is the most up to date indicator, is showing that infections are now down to the levels they were in July and the latest R rate may be as low as 0.7.
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/cases-plummet-back-to-july-levels
87
08/04/2021 09:19:05 7 15
bbc
Young asthmatics haven't.
111
08/04/2021 09:21:43 15 3
bbc
Those considered to have severe asthma have.
88
MVP
08/04/2021 09:19:14 9 10
bbc
This is all good news, but the lockdown needs to be ended now.

It seems that the government is still smarting from the errors that were made last year when they were too cavalier.
15
W 6
08/04/2021 09:05:15 91 13
bbc
My sentiments exactly. We have high take up and low vaccine hesitancy/antivaxx feeling here, why not try encouragement over coercion?
89
08/04/2021 09:19:26 18 13
bbc
"antivax" is very much a Twitter myth, hyped up by unethical tabloid trash outlets like the BBC.

Only a very small number of people are anti-vax. Like anything online, a small number of people, posting all over the place can give a misleading impression.

We will easily meet the numbers required for herd immunity.

Unfortunately Twitter idiots and the media are useful idiots for authoritarians.
503
08/04/2021 10:34:11 5 1
bbc
Only a small number are ideologically committed to opposing vaccinations but they are without scruples when it comes to misrepresenting the science and putting negative spins on problems so slight that with other kinds of medical treatment you would ignore them. And these misrepresentations then worry larger numbers of people till significant 'hesitancy' develops. Anti-vaxxers are a blight.
90
08/04/2021 09:19:27 14 9
bbc
Maybe not jabs

Nice narrative but check out Sweden - only 12% vaccinated

4,000-5,000 cases a day

Single figure deaths daily on average

You can only die once

As soon as the genuinely susceptible have died - the numbers tumble

Maybe it's just vaccinating the vulnerable that matters - of course that what they've said all along and with only 0.5% of cases fatal it doesn't take much
113
08/04/2021 09:22:07 13 3
bbc
You should compare the size of the country and population density between the two,
133
08/04/2021 09:24:27 4 1
bbc
Sweden's population is less than a sixth of ours. 5000 cases a day for them would equate to 30,000 a day for us. That's us at our january/february level.

It's also not just deaths - it's long term morbidity.
134
08/04/2021 09:24:27 1 4
bbc
Totally agree
257
08/04/2021 09:46:58 0 0
bbc
Check out Swedish demographics, largely ethnically homogeneous, close cultural ties, protestant sense of duty and a very low population density. Do we also need to go into their funded and sparingly used health service? How about an observation into the general health of its people due to a Eugenics movement that lasted nearly 75 years? Or that their government is arguably National Socialist..
712
08/04/2021 11:32:12 0 0
bbc
Population of Sweden less than 1/6th that of the UK and, on average, they live much further apart. Completely meaningless comparison.
91
SP
08/04/2021 09:19:31 105 8
bbc
We need more positive news about vaccines like this

Please stop negative news on vaccine just because its affecting 1 in million

Astra Zeneca truly don't deserve this kind of bad treatment after pioneering the research in vaccines before every other and selling it for no profit for wider benefit of the world

Inspite of this Oxford vaccine still saving and going to save many lives
109
08/04/2021 09:21:26 14 82
bbc
Morning Boris, your up early..
595
08/04/2021 10:59:18 4 0
bbc
Investigative research must continue. Just because AZ are producing for no profit, doesn't mean they should not be held to the same high standards that al bio-pharm's are.

I would take the AZ vaccine if offered.
623
08/04/2021 11:07:51 2 0
bbc
It's only 'negative news' to those who can't understand or process it.
654
08/04/2021 11:13:28 3 0
bbc
We need the news even if you don't like it. You are suggesting propaganda not news. Try moving to Russia or China where news may be suppressed.
914
08/04/2021 15:30:44 1 0
bbc
AZ seems to be getting a bad rap from the media and the Europeans in particular (but, hey, where's Macron's cred now?). It's almost as if Pfizer were using some dirty social media strategy... but stop; there are enough conspiracy theories floating around already! Still, AZ hasn't helped itself with some poor media tactics.

Still, I'm an AZ vaxfan - it's in my arm and I feel all the better for it.
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
92
08/04/2021 09:19:49 2 0
bbc
Fool
Science only goes so far and then comes God. I trust my God more than science. No inoculations for me. God has given me my beautiful dome of self defence , the immune system. Why should I overstretch it? I will "take my chances". I have gone a year without it probably I have already antibodies and hence immune.Respect our freedoms. Our choices and our liberty to decide about our life. God's gift
93
08/04/2021 09:19:52 1 0
bbc
??
84
08/04/2021 09:18:33 33 21
bbc
Who remembers a time when we were locked down to save the NHS?
Now we appear to be locked down to save every life and sod the cost
94
08/04/2021 09:20:09 3 14
bbc
It will cost us our society - welcome China or the US someone will have to save us
871
08/04/2021 14:15:02 1 1
bbc
Neither of them will save anyone. China is the cause of all this, lockdown being even worse than the virus, which is still, potentially an lab refugee. As for the US, it has an existential threat to its own existence. Civilizations fall, and looking at the state of Science and Universities in the west, China could well be pushing at an open door to be the next Hegemon.
6
08/04/2021 09:01:46 130 17
bbc
Happy to be corrected but these rare blood clots happened before COVID 19 in the general population throughout the world.

How is it possible that only people who have been given the AZ vaccine have experienced them?

Surely people who have had the other vaccines have had them as well. Why aren't those figures being discussed?
95
08/04/2021 09:20:12 16 3
bbc
Vastly many more people have had the AZ jab, so a big sample to look at.
59
08/04/2021 09:13:58 1 7
bbc
Vaccination is free, people do not value anything which is free. Perhaps there should be a change then there would be endless complaints but people would see getting vaccinated as a status symbol.
96
08/04/2021 09:20:18 0 1
bbc
Vaccines should be free but your premise is not wrong. Sadly.
77
08/04/2021 09:18:04 3 5
bbc
Can we cross reference the rates of flu and respiratory deaths of previous 25 years over this and last years and see that we are moving out of flu season into April so rates would have naturally dropped.. remember it takes two doses and quite a bit of time to reach full efficiency, even by the yet unproven projections. So claiming this is solely the vaccines at this stage I would say is fake news.
97
08/04/2021 09:20:18 2 0
bbc
I think they know the difference between covid and flu
125
08/04/2021 09:23:29 0 1
bbc
Covid is a mutation of the flu, discovered in 2019. Hence the name ??
260
08/04/2021 09:47:24 1 1
bbc
Well, what is the difference? Because from where I'm sitting they seem eerily similar symptom wise.

Was it not just a tad coincidental that flu had practically been non-existent last winter? How do you explain this?
57
08/04/2021 09:13:26 20 13
bbc
That's not strictly true. No one really knows what will happen, which is why they are taking a cautious approach and have done different modelling showing the impact of a third wave
98
08/04/2021 09:20:22 21 7
bbc
Even the modelling from Warwick and Imperial, which is based on the absolute worse possible efficacy and assumed that R would be close to 1 now, when in fact it's now clear it's well below 1, still did not predict a huge resurgence in deaths even if all restrictions are removed and it already looks as though their assumptions have been too pessimistic as cases are falling faster than they thought.
611
08/04/2021 11:03:47 5 5
bbc
But cases aren't falling now - fortunately hospitalisations and deaths are. This good news will only continue if resistant starins are kept out (travel) and new ones (mutations) minimised through vaccination of the whole poulation.
81
08/04/2021 09:18:29 3 5
bbc
Would have been a huge surprise if the vaccine hadn't reduced the number of deaths, or they'd stayed the same. So once again is this a newsworthy story or are the BBC just filling space and making a story up ?
99
Tim
08/04/2021 09:20:48 2 0
bbc
Deaths per day have dropped from 1300 to under 50, thats news you clot.
264
08/04/2021 09:47:59 0 0
bbc
....and you didn't realise that is an obvious and expected result of a vaccination programme so hardly a surprise you dimwit ?
100
08/04/2021 09:21:02 8 8
bbc
You can vaccinate against virus', but you can't vaccinate against stupid and selfish.