Britain's electricity system 'greenest ever' over Easter
07/04/2021 | news | uk | 629
Sunny and windy weather led to a surge in renewable sources of energy, the operator says.
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07/04/2021 10:10:09 19 6
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I’d be more worried - and it would be more newsworthy - if we weren’t continually breaking “green energy” records as we go forwards.
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07/04/2021 11:08:52 7 1
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How else would you like the media to report progress?
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07/04/2021 10:10:40 41 15
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So, vast numbers of trees storing atmospheric carbon going back upto 90 years are cut down in the US, Canada and Russia. Chipped, shipped here to be burnt, releasing all that stored up carbon in one go! Then classified as Green!
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07/04/2021 10:17:32 11 1
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Hey do you mean Drax power
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07/04/2021 10:32:31 10 0
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Agree - 8% of the electricity produced in the UK in March came from the supposed zero carbon emissions of biomass. They are currently destroying swathes of English woodland for a fast buck, as Biomass are paying about £60/tonne
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07/04/2021 10:36:29 19 0
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Indeed, Drax burning chipped mature trees is a complete greenwash con trick. It should be illegal.
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07/04/2021 10:55:56 3 2
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Presumably because in another 90 years they can do it again but with coal/gas etc it is a one-off.
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:16:27 0 2
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My main concern with carbon offsetting via planting of trees is that if climate change is too significant, we could find those forests on fire, at which point most of the carbon is released.
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08/04/2021 10:42:03 0 0
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Don't forget the soil devastation and co2 consequences of that too.
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07/04/2021 10:10:53 122 12
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Good news
But can we also measure what we consume

And please can we ban the use of crypto currencies as they consume huge amounts of CO2 and produces nothing meaningful in return
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07/04/2021 10:21:06 91 12
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Crypto currencies that use huge amounts of computer power should definitely be made illegal.
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07/04/2021 10:25:17 12 4
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While I personally agree it's a waste, I'm not sure how you ban something which is just an algorithm running on your computer. How would you even enforce that? Whether you like crypto-currencies or not, eliminating them is a complete non-possibility for better or worse.
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07/04/2021 10:48:36 5 0
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I think you'll find that it's "cause to be emitted" not "consume" large amounts of CO2.
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07/04/2021 10:56:11 10 2
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Tesla investing $1.5billion in Bitcoins is the equivalent of adding 1.8 million ICE cars on to the roads.
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07/04/2021 11:07:06 4 0
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Consume CO2? I think you mean produce CO2.
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07/04/2021 11:07:12 2 6
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Argo Blockchain produce 'green' Bitcoin . They are on the LSE and are starting a green Bitcoin Pool .
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07/04/2021 11:13:25 16 1
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"And please can we ban the use of crypto currencies as they consume huge amounts of CO2 and produces nothing meaningful in return"

And please can we ban TikTok, Facebook and Instagram as they consume huge amounts of CO2 and produce nothing meaningful in return.
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07/04/2021 11:22:47 5 4
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moderating our diets would have an even more profound effect on CO2 emissions.
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08/04/2021 07:43:22 1 0
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Didn't you mean ban any new humans? far too many on the planet already. The amount of pollution they cause is shocking
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07/04/2021 10:11:00 131 15
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That is fantastic news! About time for a country surrounded by windy coastline.
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07/04/2021 10:15:13 50 133
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No thought for the migratory and feeding birds, or the cetaceans whose habit we are destroying?
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PCS
07/04/2021 11:09:25 2 7
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How fantastic? Surrounded by these gargantuan beasts but my leccy bills have went up! My income ain't! Meanwhile two names quoted are not of Anglo Saxon origin!
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07/04/2021 12:27:09 1 2
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"About time for a country surrounded by windy coastline"

People in the UK who live in seaside towns suffer from Flatulence or have a higher Fibre diet compared to those who live further inshore?
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jon
07/04/2021 10:11:27 32 19
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Congratulations to the government. The increasing proportion of renewables since 2010 has been outstanding.
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07/04/2021 10:15:10 29 39
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It was Labour who put in place the programme.
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07/04/2021 10:11:42 42 34
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Do you honestly think that we would have had all of the billions of pounds of private investment in our electricity generation & distribution if Comrade Corbyn had re-nationalised it all?

The unions would have run it into the ground with endless wages demands & strikes, just like the 1970s followed by power cuts & three day weeks
Tory troll. Most of the investment has come from the state! Removed
Completely irrelevant comment. Congratulations. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:23:44 9 3
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Yawn. Get over Corbyn.

He's no longer Labour leader.

Find something new to whinge about.

Yawn.
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07/04/2021 10:55:18 0 0
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Corbyn who?
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07/04/2021 11:01:21 4 6
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If Tory governments didn't keep grinding away at workers rights and increasing the rich-poor divide, we wouldn't need such miltant unions.

Put that in your pipe.
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07/04/2021 10:11:49 47 12
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Sounds like good progress; if we are to get other countries with large pollution problems to follow suit, we need to go further ourselves and promote the benefits of greener energy, so as to lead by example.
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07/04/2021 10:19:11 18 17
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So you believe it is only the UK doing this? It is not!
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07/04/2021 10:25:10 5 9
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Stop with the leading by example nonsense. Whatever Britain does itself on this issue is next to meaningless. Do you think India and China building roughly a new coal fired powerstation every couple of days is going to be affected by the UK "leading by example"?
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07/04/2021 10:49:30 3 4
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Yep 4.34% of Easter the renewables produced 80+% of the electricity.

But 70% of the time renewables couldnt produce 25% of the electricity demand.

Renewables could only reliably produce 10% of the demand based on Easter data.

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07/04/2021 10:56:53 2 0
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If we are to tie ourselves to expensive power sources, we need to impose duties on goods from the 'cheap and dirty' nation states or the 'cheap and dirty' simply out compete as we export the emissions to them.

Something like 1% for every % generated from coal, 0.5% for gas.
80% tariffs on Chinese goods
40% tariffs on German / Polish goods
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Jim
07/04/2021 11:14:37 1 0
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Germany needs to be forced to stop its use of the highly polluting brown coal.

Alas we reduced much of our emissions by offshoring manufacturing to places that can be selective in which green policies to follow and when. Ie cheat clean engine rules, put savings into the consumer desirable aspect, undercut your competition and force out of business. Then only clean up once others gone
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07/04/2021 10:13:11 13 25
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There is nothing 'green' about colossal industrial wind turbines. Just take a look at the current destruction of naturally CO2 storing peatland on Shetland to make way for scores of these environmentally unsound blights and all the infrastructure that comes with them.
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07/04/2021 10:17:43 12 4
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Have you got links to support your claim?
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07/04/2021 10:13:40 11 13
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You think the Chinese care?
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07/04/2021 10:16:52 11 6
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They’re greener by consumption than we are by miles
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07/04/2021 10:23:56 2 1
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They are world leaders in high voltage DC power lines to take wind and solar electricity from e.g the Gobi desert to their cities
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Ben
07/04/2021 10:13:46 73 16
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I look forward to the barrage (excuse the pun) of comments moaning about dodgy deals or 'green' not really being green. For me though, we're definitely moving in the right direction.
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07/04/2021 10:16:33 27 4
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Barrage. Good idea
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 4 3
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Labour put in place the programme and state investment so it's likely the contracts were clean (do you like my pun?).

We're are moving in the right direction but we can do better.
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07/04/2021 11:01:47 1 3
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Moving in the right direction, but 85 per cent of energy consumption is still fossil fuel based
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07/04/2021 15:51:47 0 1
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If you have unlimited budget living in a posh house with no income problems then green energy is great, especially if you are getting paid up to 48p KwH to produce it index linked for 25 years. For the rest of us struggling to pay ever increasing electricity bills its a veritable nightmare.
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07/04/2021 10:11:42 42 34
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Do you honestly think that we would have had all of the billions of pounds of private investment in our electricity generation & distribution if Comrade Corbyn had re-nationalised it all?

The unions would have run it into the ground with endless wages demands & strikes, just like the 1970s followed by power cuts & three day weeks
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Tory troll. Most of the investment has come from the state! Removed
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07/04/2021 10:16:25 3 7
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Putting your abuse aside for the moment, but which part of 'privatised utillities' don't you understand?

And if indeed the investment had come from 'the state' then you actually mean from 'Tory governments' (assuming that you also consider Messrs Blair & Brown to be 'Tories' too)
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07/04/2021 10:14:03 32 18
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Now, where are the foolish comments from the people who believe that unless wind turbines work 100% of the time we shouldn't have them at all? I give it about 5 mins...
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:27:49 11 10
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Why are you so obsessed with wind farms that other renewables can't be considered?
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07/04/2021 10:39:18 7 7
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Early part of March WindFarms across the whole of the UK couldnt even produce 0.5 GW of power yet 25+ GW of wind farms have been installed.

So care to suggest a practical alternatives to how we get power?
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07/04/2021 10:14:43 25 8
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A single day (or even a week!) is irrelevant.

Good news, but green energy generation over a full year is a more meaningful measure.
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07/04/2021 10:52:48 14 1
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Maybe,but at least this is heading in the right direction.
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07/04/2021 10:14:44 9 19
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Green energy is very expensive
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07/04/2021 10:31:04 3 2
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continuing to release CO2 at he rates we have been will be even expensiver.
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07/04/2021 10:33:23 3 1
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No - it really isn't.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/beis-electricity-generation-costs-2020

p25&26.

It's the cheapest way of generating electricity.
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07/04/2021 10:33:50 1 1
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Not true.
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07/04/2021 10:47:22 1 1
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The investment is high but the yield is relatively cheap and greener than all other renewables other than solar.
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07/04/2021 10:54:52 0 1
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It is getting cheaper all the time.

In 2013, the UK government estimated that an offshore windfarm opening in 2025 would generate electricity for £140/MWh.

By 2016, this was revised down by 24%, to £107/MWh.

The latest estimate puts the cost at just £57/MWh, another 47% reduction
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07/04/2021 10:14:46 4 2
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But what about gas consumption?
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07/04/2021 10:11:42 42 34
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Do you honestly think that we would have had all of the billions of pounds of private investment in our electricity generation & distribution if Comrade Corbyn had re-nationalised it all?

The unions would have run it into the ground with endless wages demands & strikes, just like the 1970s followed by power cuts & three day weeks
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Completely irrelevant comment. Congratulations. Removed
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jon
07/04/2021 10:11:27 32 19
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Congratulations to the government. The increasing proportion of renewables since 2010 has been outstanding.
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07/04/2021 10:15:10 29 39
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It was Labour who put in place the programme.
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jon
07/04/2021 10:17:48 12 8
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Putting in place is not the same as investing and rolling-out.
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08/04/2021 15:13:34 0 0
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It was actually the Lib Dems in the coalition that put in place most of the measures that we are reaping the benefits of now - despite having to fight the Tories all the way to get them agreed. Tories claiming the credit now are hypocrites.

Labour did start some of it but in a bit of a half hearted way.
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07/04/2021 10:11:00 131 15
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That is fantastic news! About time for a country surrounded by windy coastline.
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07/04/2021 10:15:13 50 133
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No thought for the migratory and feeding birds, or the cetaceans whose habit we are destroying?
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07/04/2021 10:21:57 60 5
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Wouldn't the warming caused by continuing to emit fossil CO2 be a bigger threat to them?
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07/04/2021 10:22:42 45 2
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I think it's still a better prospect over pollution and emissions from burning stuff, and likely better for wildlife as a whole.
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07/04/2021 10:44:38 41 7
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What peer reviewed evidence do you have for this? Note - Twitter, Facebook and The Daily Mail do not constitute peer reviewed data.
What an apt response from someone called Karen. Removed
Karen..... your name says it all Removed
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07/04/2021 10:56:06 6 9
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And your personal environmental footprint/impact is what?
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07/04/2021 11:01:13 10 1
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yeah
trawling destroys marine habitats way more effectively
we don't police those - even where there are limits
so why not start with that, first
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07/04/2021 11:02:23 5 2
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What the birds who will die due to climate change at some stage if we do nothing?
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07/04/2021 11:03:25 7 5
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Birds don't get killed by Wind Turbines. They do by your car.
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07/04/2021 11:06:02 1 1
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Not really. It's a drop in the ocean.
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07/04/2021 11:09:35 6 4
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How are we destroying their habitat? Do you more so than with oil spills and gas exploration? Or with pollution from fossil fuel power stations, or from continual climate change?
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07/04/2021 11:10:27 5 3
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No thought? The numbers impacted will be a lot lower than if we have significant global warming.
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07/04/2021 12:17:13 1 4
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There is always one that whines about it.
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07/04/2021 12:31:59 0 1
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@Karen.

You may be pleased to know that there is research into these issues. Surprisingly,, even partly painting a blade of a WT seems to reduce bird kills.

Dont know how they going to reduce insect kills on insect migration paths.
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07/04/2021 13:00:04 0 3
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Can't have it both ways.
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07/04/2021 13:07:37 3 2
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Pollution from FF powered generation causes far more bird deaths than wind turbines.
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07/04/2021 14:11:37 1 0
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Wind turbines with no blades are being developed. They use vortexes to vibrate and convert this to power. They have no moving parts so less maintenance, less death to birds and wildlife and a smaller footprint.
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08/04/2021 04:16:41 1 1
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Exactly Karen. But, we all tend to grasp what appears to be good news though.
Nobody talks about our eco friendly water companies that dump our waste into seas and rivers on our behalf.
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08/04/2021 06:33:09 0 1
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Isn't there a manager in Argos you should be hasseling about a broken Toaster?
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08/04/2021 09:13:46 0 0
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There are more bird deaths from birds striking large fossil fuel structures than wind turbines. As for cetaceans, you cannot be further from the truth. wind turbine bases, like oil rigs provide a wealth of marine habitats that allow fish & corals to thrive. Why do you think marine conservation bodies deliberately sink old ships to form artificial reefs? It doesn't take long to colonize them.
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08/04/2021 10:43:05 0 0
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The RSPB support wind farms as they pose less risk to birds than climate change does.
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RPH
08/04/2021 13:39:04 0 0
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Karen, that's 'habitat', not 'habit', so I'm guessing you ate not an environmental science expert? But, if you have any ideas, rather than regurgitating YouTube-based criticism, we are all listening....
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08/04/2021 13:46:09 0 0
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Lol. Keep up with the misinformation Karen. Maybe somebody who's not paid to will believe you eventually.
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08/04/2021 14:28:38 0 0
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Of course there is. And certainly better than coal and oil deaths. There is no perfect solution. The animal and human deaths that you and I are personally responsible for due to our past usage of power should be reduced now.
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07/04/2021 10:15:46 53 6
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While this is good news there should be a push to get the population to look at and reduce consumption
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07/04/2021 10:39:15 13 41
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Yes what about the days of food rationing and food stamps this would help to bring down ridiculous excess consumption and stock piling food for no reason. Cutting down the ridiculous amounts of meat people consume would be a great start
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07/04/2021 10:39:21 17 0
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Per capita energy consumption is decreasing over time. Electricity consumption is, however, destined to rise - because of energy substitution (think electric cars, trains, heating, industrial processes moving to electricity from gas etc.)

Prof David Mackay discussed this at length in his book 'Sustainable Energy - Without The Hot Air'. So we'll need more electricity in future despite reductions.
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07/04/2021 10:39:58 4 9
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Slashing the grant for electric vehicles has not helped. Prices have shot up in the last few weeks.
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Jim
07/04/2021 11:10:24 4 0
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Also to look at managing population growth.

It's all good if we cut developed societies individual emissions but vastly increase number of individuals who emit
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07/04/2021 11:17:58 2 1
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I've got a great idea - let's tell people not to put their central heating on... ever.

That'll be so good for the planet.
Tory troll. Most of the investment has come from the state! Removed
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07/04/2021 10:16:25 3 7
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Putting your abuse aside for the moment, but which part of 'privatised utillities' don't you understand?

And if indeed the investment had come from 'the state' then you actually mean from 'Tory governments' (assuming that you also consider Messrs Blair & Brown to be 'Tories' too)
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07/04/2021 10:26:46 6 7
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Typical isn't it that the BBC allow false claims but removes accurate ones. So much for democracy!

At least you recognise the truth of what I said about it being Labour who had put the money into the government investment which has been used by the private sector.
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07/04/2021 10:13:46 73 16
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I look forward to the barrage (excuse the pun) of comments moaning about dodgy deals or 'green' not really being green. For me though, we're definitely moving in the right direction.
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07/04/2021 10:16:33 27 4
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Barrage. Good idea
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07/04/2021 10:13:40 11 13
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You think the Chinese care?
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07/04/2021 10:16:52 11 6
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They’re greener by consumption than we are by miles
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:32:18 3 3
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Lol, no they aren't. A more blatant lie has yet to be told:

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions
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07/04/2021 10:27:22 2 0
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Ha, ha, ha....millions of factories belching out smoke 24/7 from mainly coal trundled over from Oz and you talk about `consumption`.Lol.
With belching out disingenous stats like that just to big up communist China....you need to apply to work for the BBC.
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07/04/2021 10:10:40 41 15
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So, vast numbers of trees storing atmospheric carbon going back upto 90 years are cut down in the US, Canada and Russia. Chipped, shipped here to be burnt, releasing all that stored up carbon in one go! Then classified as Green!
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07/04/2021 10:17:32 11 1
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Hey do you mean Drax power
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07/04/2021 10:25:17 10 0
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Yes. It started as a good idea to get rid of Forestry waste and moved on to mature trees to meet burgeoning demand.
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07/04/2021 11:21:46 1 1
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Yes I would prefer it that rather than burning imported wood they burned our plastic waste rather than that going into landfill or being exported to Countries where it ends up all over the place.
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07/04/2021 10:13:11 13 25
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There is nothing 'green' about colossal industrial wind turbines. Just take a look at the current destruction of naturally CO2 storing peatland on Shetland to make way for scores of these environmentally unsound blights and all the infrastructure that comes with them.
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07/04/2021 10:17:43 12 4
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Have you got links to support your claim?
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07/04/2021 10:24:16 3 3
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Of course she hasn't. She's just an angry Karen.
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07/04/2021 10:15:10 29 39
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It was Labour who put in place the programme.
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jon
07/04/2021 10:17:48 12 8
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Putting in place is not the same as investing and rolling-out.
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 8 6
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Of course it is.
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07/04/2021 10:11:49 47 12
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Sounds like good progress; if we are to get other countries with large pollution problems to follow suit, we need to go further ourselves and promote the benefits of greener energy, so as to lead by example.
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07/04/2021 10:19:11 18 17
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So you believe it is only the UK doing this? It is not!
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07/04/2021 10:51:56 5 1
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The OP never said it was, but it appears that, in this, we are up there with the leading green nations and setting a good example.
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07/04/2021 11:03:32 4 2
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You would be surprised how well we are doing at this though compared to other countries - people like you are to quick to run our country down.
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:13:30 1 1
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That's not what he said.
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07/04/2021 10:20:39 4 18
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Renewables? Brought to you by the oil and mining industry. Really what’s new here folks, the wool is being pulled over your eyes by the growing green billionaires.
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07/04/2021 10:26:05 7 1
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"Energy companies change their methods due to a greater need for renewables"

That's not a bad thing; if you don't want to pay them for your electricity, go ahead and try making your own.
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07/04/2021 10:10:53 122 12
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Good news
But can we also measure what we consume

And please can we ban the use of crypto currencies as they consume huge amounts of CO2 and produces nothing meaningful in return
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07/04/2021 10:21:06 91 12
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Crypto currencies that use huge amounts of computer power should definitely be made illegal.
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07/04/2021 10:15:13 50 133
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No thought for the migratory and feeding birds, or the cetaceans whose habit we are destroying?
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07/04/2021 10:21:57 60 5
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Wouldn't the warming caused by continuing to emit fossil CO2 be a bigger threat to them?
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07/04/2021 10:15:13 50 133
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No thought for the migratory and feeding birds, or the cetaceans whose habit we are destroying?
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07/04/2021 10:22:42 45 2
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I think it's still a better prospect over pollution and emissions from burning stuff, and likely better for wildlife as a whole.
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07/04/2021 10:11:42 42 34
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Do you honestly think that we would have had all of the billions of pounds of private investment in our electricity generation & distribution if Comrade Corbyn had re-nationalised it all?

The unions would have run it into the ground with endless wages demands & strikes, just like the 1970s followed by power cuts & three day weeks
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07/04/2021 10:23:44 9 3
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Yawn. Get over Corbyn.

He's no longer Labour leader.

Find something new to whinge about.

Yawn.
OK so how is Sir Keir Hindsight doing after his first year in offoce?

Behind in the leadership & Westminster polls by 10% each

Soon he will be back to where Comrade Corbyn was!

PMSL
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07/04/2021 10:13:40 11 13
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You think the Chinese care?
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07/04/2021 10:23:56 2 1
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They are world leaders in high voltage DC power lines to take wind and solar electricity from e.g the Gobi desert to their cities
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07/04/2021 10:17:43 12 4
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Have you got links to support your claim?
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07/04/2021 10:24:16 3 3
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Of course she hasn't. She's just an angry Karen.
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07/04/2021 10:25:08 1 7
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If the headline is ignored, the article advises that, under almost ideal conditions, we were able to record levels of 'green' energy.
'Generated' electricity doesn't include the fossil fuels used to keep conventional boilers hot, in case demand exceeds green production, necessary with unpredictable wind power. Turbines use energy to produce and require maintenance, not easy in remote areas.
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07/04/2021 10:17:32 11 1
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Hey do you mean Drax power
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07/04/2021 10:25:17 10 0
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Yes. It started as a good idea to get rid of Forestry waste and moved on to mature trees to meet burgeoning demand.
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07/04/2021 10:10:53 122 12
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Good news
But can we also measure what we consume

And please can we ban the use of crypto currencies as they consume huge amounts of CO2 and produces nothing meaningful in return
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07/04/2021 10:25:17 12 4
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While I personally agree it's a waste, I'm not sure how you ban something which is just an algorithm running on your computer. How would you even enforce that? Whether you like crypto-currencies or not, eliminating them is a complete non-possibility for better or worse.
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07/04/2021 10:42:11 4 5
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I doubt what you say is factual. I'm fairly sure for starters that hubs have been set up for the purpose.

You are in fact suggesting human beings should stupidly and at detriment to the environment carry on polluting!
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07/04/2021 11:37:29 5 2
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Govts can ban its use as a means of exchange in non criminal commerce
Saves environment - must be a plus
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07/04/2021 12:33:05 1 3
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He sees these as evil because they have been tainted by the free-market.??
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07/04/2021 13:51:20 3 0
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The government just declares that it is not a legal tender of any kind, then it can't be turned into real currency.
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07/04/2021 10:25:44 76 25
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I protested against a 'wind farm' that was constructed near where we live. We have plenty of wind already, thank you very much, without creating any more. And how much electricity must it take to turn those massive blades?
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07/04/2021 10:27:17 44 0
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there'll be many who won't get you, but very funny to me!
Cheers
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07/04/2021 10:28:27 1 20
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it takes no electricity "to turn those massive blades". That's what the wind is doing for us. Inside the turbine is a generator producing the electricity we crave...
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07/04/2021 10:44:53 11 0
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I lost big money on a wind farm. It appears I planted the wind to deep and too close together.
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07/04/2021 11:06:51 0 4
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Duck the abuse Swan. Goose my wind turbine! Turbine is the word mind. You will be saying like the BBC that Covid jabs give everyone blood clots.
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07/04/2021 11:43:24 1 5
bbc
Sounds like you produce enough "wind" on your own....
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08/04/2021 14:40:36 0 0
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The thing is, I saw a clip on FB where a guy actually thought that wind turbines were electrically powered and designed to blow away CO2.
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07/04/2021 10:20:39 4 18
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Renewables? Brought to you by the oil and mining industry. Really what’s new here folks, the wool is being pulled over your eyes by the growing green billionaires.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:26:05 7 1
bbc
"Energy companies change their methods due to a greater need for renewables"

That's not a bad thing; if you don't want to pay them for your electricity, go ahead and try making your own.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:29:06 10 2
bbc
"If it sounds too good to be true......"

Wind is free, the turbines and the power grid are not. Really, you're just a fool for believing what you hear instead of looking into it yourself.
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07/04/2021 10:30:13 1 0
bbc
Not sure when we were told that but wind power is the cheapest form of electricity now so it will be reducing the cost of bills compared to what they would be with no renewable energy. That doesn't mean the bill will go down overall as inflation and increasing costs of non renewable energy.
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07/04/2021 10:32:03 1 0
bbc
It is cheaper. That's why they shutdown the coal and gas burning pants first!! Think Mc Fly, think!
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 2 1
bbc
yup, same as we were lied to about "free energy for all" when nuclear came about.
The less we use, the more we pay. It has to be one of biggest legal cons of all time.
We should not be paying VAT for energy as its a necessity
We should be looking at population control
Banning disposable nappies & plastic bottles
But hey, it's a stick & stick approach in this country by hitting motorists
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07/04/2021 10:37:25 1 1
bbc
What made you think that solar and wind power is free? The existing equipment is expensive to manufacture, install and maintain, additionally it isn't very efficient.
Green power isn't cheaper, it's use is necessary to reduce carbon emissions.
We need to be investing in more efficient forms of green energy.
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07/04/2021 10:43:29 0 1
bbc
It was never touted to be cheaper. In fact in the short term quite the opposite. It was however, championed to be greener. It is. It's a start, there is much to do yet.
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07/04/2021 10:23:44 9 3
bbc
Yawn. Get over Corbyn.

He's no longer Labour leader.

Find something new to whinge about.

Yawn.
OK so how is Sir Keir Hindsight doing after his first year in offoce?

Behind in the leadership & Westminster polls by 10% each

Soon he will be back to where Comrade Corbyn was!

PMSL
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07/04/2021 10:16:25 3 7
bbc
Putting your abuse aside for the moment, but which part of 'privatised utillities' don't you understand?

And if indeed the investment had come from 'the state' then you actually mean from 'Tory governments' (assuming that you also consider Messrs Blair & Brown to be 'Tories' too)
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07/04/2021 10:26:46 6 7
bbc
Typical isn't it that the BBC allow false claims but removes accurate ones. So much for democracy!

At least you recognise the truth of what I said about it being Labour who had put the money into the government investment which has been used by the private sector.
I rather think that the BBC moderators removed your comment because of the childish abuse & insults rather than for your 'truth'

PMSL
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 6 3
bbc
So who has been in power for the last 11 years during this rapid rise in green generation investment?

And who has now lost FOUR general elections in a row during that period despite a 'radical green agenda'?
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07/04/2021 10:27:06 24 5
bbc
This is good news. There is a long way to go but greening the economy and the country will have great benefits for our children.
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07/04/2021 10:45:21 17 2
bbc
Tidal barrages will be more predictable than wind and solar, but won’t generate quick bucks for investors.
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07/04/2021 16:00:03 0 0
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Too many 'greens' live in cloud cuckoo land, forgetting consumers who struggle to pay ever increasing electricity bills as a result of green energy. It was sold to us as cheap....its far from it. When government pays 45p Kwh index linked for 25 years to some we lose on it, then on the increased price of consumer electricity. A giant con perpetrated by those having no idea of struggling consumers.
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07/04/2021 10:25:44 76 25
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I protested against a 'wind farm' that was constructed near where we live. We have plenty of wind already, thank you very much, without creating any more. And how much electricity must it take to turn those massive blades?
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07/04/2021 10:27:17 44 0
bbc
there'll be many who won't get you, but very funny to me!
Cheers
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:17:22 2 0
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To be honest, I missed that it was tongue in cheek until I read your reply!
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jon
07/04/2021 10:17:48 12 8
bbc
Putting in place is not the same as investing and rolling-out.
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 8 6
bbc
Of course it is.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:30:38 10 4
bbc
So as Labour "put in place" HS2, why is it the conservatives taking the flack for it?
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07/04/2021 11:23:05 1 3
bbc
Of course it isn't.
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 18 12
bbc
And under a Conservative government too.

That will have the Guardian readers choking on their avocado toast and lattes this morning.
"In spite of" is the phrase you were struggling to find whilst you were spluttering into your Carling this morning. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:36:40 9 1
bbc
Well, seeing as they'd shut the coal mines last time round, and had failed to do anything in particular in respect of new nuclear, and gas prices are only going to trend upwards over time, and your average Tory donor can make £££'s out of renting their large land holdings to wind generators - what did you expect them to do? If there's money to be made and subsidies, you'll find a Tory.
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07/04/2021 10:52:34 2 4
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You will find it was Labour who put all the plans and investment into effect.
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07/04/2021 10:14:03 32 18
bbc
Now, where are the foolish comments from the people who believe that unless wind turbines work 100% of the time we shouldn't have them at all? I give it about 5 mins...
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:27:49 11 10
bbc
Why are you so obsessed with wind farms that other renewables can't be considered?
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07/04/2021 10:45:12 5 2
bbc
I'm not obsessed with wind farms at all, I just hate reading the nonsense from people who don't/won't concede that something is better than nothing.
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:20:25 0 0
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Read his post again because he isn't saying what you appear to think he is.
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07/04/2021 10:27:50 7 10
bbc
Renewables will not be able to cope when a) offices, shops, hospitality venues and factories are back to normal; b) more people have electric vehicles and c) people realise that air and ground source heat pumps don't provide enough heat for your home in the winter.
Oh yes - if we go all electric from renewables every road will be dug up to provide larger cables. Ask any electrician.
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07/04/2021 10:30:56 11 1
bbc
'Oh yes - if we go all electric from renewables every road will be dug up to provide larger cables. Ask any electrician.'

Why? Is renewably generated electricity fatter than non-renewably generated electricity?
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07/04/2021 10:35:09 4 1
bbc
have you seen the price to convert to heat pumps!
I looked at solar panels but at my age there's no point as I will be long dead before I cover the outlay in energy savings, so older people will just be punished for not doing it all, when it is just not economical, as I need the money to live on instead
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07/04/2021 10:28:22 12 9
bbc
Great news. Get ready for the paid by big oil trolls to come here and post some FUD...
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07/04/2021 10:34:42 11 12
bbc
Or just some sensible people who realise wind and solar are not guaranteed sources of energy.
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07/04/2021 10:35:05 5 7
bbc
So any person who has concerns over the intermittence issue of renewables is a troll?

Try some facts +25GW of Wind farms are installed & +11GW of solar have been installed.

Yet how often have they ever produce 36GW of energy?

Perhaps its you who is suffering from FUD
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07/04/2021 10:26:46 6 7
bbc
Typical isn't it that the BBC allow false claims but removes accurate ones. So much for democracy!

At least you recognise the truth of what I said about it being Labour who had put the money into the government investment which has been used by the private sector.
I rather think that the BBC moderators removed your comment because of the childish abuse & insults rather than for your 'truth'

PMSL
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:29:06 10 2
bbc
"If it sounds too good to be true......"

Wind is free, the turbines and the power grid are not. Really, you're just a fool for believing what you hear instead of looking into it yourself.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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07/04/2021 10:30:13 1 0
bbc
Not sure when we were told that but wind power is the cheapest form of electricity now so it will be reducing the cost of bills compared to what they would be with no renewable energy. That doesn't mean the bill will go down overall as inflation and increasing costs of non renewable energy.
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 8 6
bbc
Of course it is.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:30:38 10 4
bbc
So as Labour "put in place" HS2, why is it the conservatives taking the flack for it?
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07/04/2021 10:41:30 10 6
bbc
Because all Labour did on HS2 was commission an initial report. On wind generation, Labour put in place the subsidy, invested in incentives for development, wrote planning policy documents - in other words, made the paradigm shift that the Tories haven't yet managed to dismantle.
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07/04/2021 10:44:54 5 8
bbc
Wasting your time with me as I actually believe HS2 will add much needed rail capacity.
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07/04/2021 10:27:50 7 10
bbc
Renewables will not be able to cope when a) offices, shops, hospitality venues and factories are back to normal; b) more people have electric vehicles and c) people realise that air and ground source heat pumps don't provide enough heat for your home in the winter.
Oh yes - if we go all electric from renewables every road will be dug up to provide larger cables. Ask any electrician.
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07/04/2021 10:30:56 11 1
bbc
'Oh yes - if we go all electric from renewables every road will be dug up to provide larger cables. Ask any electrician.'

Why? Is renewably generated electricity fatter than non-renewably generated electricity?
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07/04/2021 10:14:44 9 19
bbc
Green energy is very expensive
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07/04/2021 10:31:04 3 2
bbc
continuing to release CO2 at he rates we have been will be even expensiver.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
56
07/04/2021 10:32:03 1 0
bbc
It is cheaper. That's why they shutdown the coal and gas burning pants first!! Think Mc Fly, think!
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07/04/2021 10:16:52 11 6
bbc
They’re greener by consumption than we are by miles
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:32:18 3 3
bbc
Lol, no they aren't. A more blatant lie has yet to be told:

https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/each-countrys-share-co2-emissions
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07/04/2021 13:46:17 0 0
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China is 13th in the world for emissions per capita. (South Africa is 12th.) They're top of the other ranking because of the size of their population.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 2 1
bbc
yup, same as we were lied to about "free energy for all" when nuclear came about.
The less we use, the more we pay. It has to be one of biggest legal cons of all time.
We should not be paying VAT for energy as its a necessity
We should be looking at population control
Banning disposable nappies & plastic bottles
But hey, it's a stick & stick approach in this country by hitting motorists
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07/04/2021 10:26:46 6 7
bbc
Typical isn't it that the BBC allow false claims but removes accurate ones. So much for democracy!

At least you recognise the truth of what I said about it being Labour who had put the money into the government investment which has been used by the private sector.
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 6 3
bbc
So who has been in power for the last 11 years during this rapid rise in green generation investment?

And who has now lost FOUR general elections in a row during that period despite a 'radical green agenda'?
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07/04/2021 15:50:07 2 2
bbc
Why can't you follow the rules of logical debate? You are now making a strawman argument. You made a claim, which was false, and I put you right pointing out that it was the Labour Government that had put in place the funding and plans. Please stay on topic instead of creating another!
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Ben
07/04/2021 10:13:46 73 16
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I look forward to the barrage (excuse the pun) of comments moaning about dodgy deals or 'green' not really being green. For me though, we're definitely moving in the right direction.
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07/04/2021 10:32:28 4 3
bbc
Labour put in place the programme and state investment so it's likely the contracts were clean (do you like my pun?).

We're are moving in the right direction but we can do better.
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07/04/2021 10:10:40 41 15
bbc
So, vast numbers of trees storing atmospheric carbon going back upto 90 years are cut down in the US, Canada and Russia. Chipped, shipped here to be burnt, releasing all that stored up carbon in one go! Then classified as Green!
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07/04/2021 10:32:31 10 0
bbc
Agree - 8% of the electricity produced in the UK in March came from the supposed zero carbon emissions of biomass. They are currently destroying swathes of English woodland for a fast buck, as Biomass are paying about £60/tonne
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07/04/2021 11:16:23 4 0
bbc
Agreed, but not all of that 8% is greenwashed wood chip. A small percentage comes from things like anaerobic digestion of food waste producing methane that then runs a generator whilst the digested waste (after 120 days) is sold to local farms as liquid fertiliser. Our local plant at Cassington generates 2.1MW https://www.agrivert.co.uk/where-we-operate/cassington-ad-facility
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07/04/2021 10:33:17 10 2
bbc
If buildings were more energy efficient they wouldn't need to use as much fuel to heat an area. Parliament buildings at Westminster have bad energy ratings, this is where our MPs have discussions on how to tackle climate change.
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07/04/2021 10:48:52 4 2
bbc
the green energy home efficiency schemes are currently broken
fitters flinch at using them
they want them to work
customers want them to work
government stalling and bureaucracy is killing enthusiasm
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07/04/2021 10:53:24 0 0
bbc
It's where most of the Co2 comes from
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07/04/2021 11:01:21 0 0
bbc
Yes, but at least they have hot air central heating .
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08/04/2021 14:53:18 0 0
bbc
There should be no grants for people to use others money to improve their houses - that's madness.

Instead there should be a carbon tax with a clear 15-year ramp shown right from the start, plus a driver for landlords over the next ten years to have their rentals meeting a energy performance level "C". This will signal to all how they should act and when.
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07/04/2021 10:14:44 9 19
bbc
Green energy is very expensive
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07/04/2021 10:33:23 3 1
bbc
No - it really isn't.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/beis-electricity-generation-costs-2020

p25&26.

It's the cheapest way of generating electricity.
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07/04/2021 10:33:42 5 10
bbc
And what happens in winter when it's cloudy and a high pressure system is sat right over us ?

We freeze and use candles.
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07/04/2021 10:47:08 3 1
bbc
There are very few days were we don't get some wind somewhere. And solar power works even when it is cloudy. But we will fire up the gas stations when we are short of renewables which is still greener than having them running all the time.
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07/04/2021 11:29:52 1 0
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The elderly will suffer from hypothermia.
Industry will close & relocate
Businesses, will not be able to operate

Or we will be forced to go like Texas where variable tariff has resulted in pensioners being charged $16k for a couple of days of electricity.

aka not good.
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07/04/2021 10:14:44 9 19
bbc
Green energy is very expensive
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07/04/2021 10:33:50 1 1
bbc
Not true.
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 18 12
bbc
And under a Conservative government too.

That will have the Guardian readers choking on their avocado toast and lattes this morning.
"In spite of" is the phrase you were struggling to find whilst you were spluttering into your Carling this morning. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:34:04 6 8
bbc
Great Britain...the greenest it had ever been at lunchtime on Easter Bank Holiday Monday.....Sunny and windy weather, coupled with low demand for power, led to a surge in renewable sources of energy,

=So, in other words, during the Easter Monday, it was windy and cold but most brits were stuck in lockdown at home turning off electric devices eating cold sandwiches?

That was a miserable Easter?
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07/04/2021 10:28:22 12 9
bbc
Great news. Get ready for the paid by big oil trolls to come here and post some FUD...
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07/04/2021 10:34:42 11 12
bbc
Or just some sensible people who realise wind and solar are not guaranteed sources of energy.
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07/04/2021 10:41:17 4 1
bbc
Solar energy is pretty much guaranteed for the next billion years.
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07/04/2021 10:49:18 2 0
bbc
sensible people can go find another planet
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07/04/2021 10:28:22 12 9
bbc
Great news. Get ready for the paid by big oil trolls to come here and post some FUD...
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07/04/2021 10:35:05 5 7
bbc
So any person who has concerns over the intermittence issue of renewables is a troll?

Try some facts +25GW of Wind farms are installed & +11GW of solar have been installed.

Yet how often have they ever produce 36GW of energy?

Perhaps its you who is suffering from FUD
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07/04/2021 10:50:29 1 2
bbc
When wind and solar become cheap (and they are heading in that direction) it doesn't matter if they are not generating flat out all of the time. We can over-install capacity to fill most of the troughs in supply and the extra power generated in the peaks is almost free energy for use elsewhere like generating hydrogen or sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere.
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07/04/2021 10:50:49 0 4
bbc
I see the self proclaimed Liberal Democrat who doesn't believe in any of their policies turns up to give unscientific comments.

Perhaps you could support your claims with valid scientific evidence? Please don't link to your usual dodgy sites.
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07/04/2021 10:27:50 7 10
bbc
Renewables will not be able to cope when a) offices, shops, hospitality venues and factories are back to normal; b) more people have electric vehicles and c) people realise that air and ground source heat pumps don't provide enough heat for your home in the winter.
Oh yes - if we go all electric from renewables every road will be dug up to provide larger cables. Ask any electrician.
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07/04/2021 10:35:09 4 1
bbc
have you seen the price to convert to heat pumps!
I looked at solar panels but at my age there's no point as I will be long dead before I cover the outlay in energy savings, so older people will just be punished for not doing it all, when it is just not economical, as I need the money to live on instead
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07/04/2021 10:35:45 78 6
bbc
This is good news for the UK balance of payments, the planet and for local jobs. Whats there not to like.

Surely tidal needs investment, especially as the UK has some huge tidal ranges.

Next the UK needs to stop importing wood pellets from America ............ that get burnt in power stations
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07/04/2021 10:47:19 21 3
bbc
love tidal Tony
keep shouting fella
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07/04/2021 10:57:56 1 1
bbc
bad for local jobs, as factories run on cheap and dirty power overseas gets to make all the goods for the world and not us.
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07/04/2021 12:31:47 3 0
bbc
I've never understood why Tidal power isn't used more than it is?

It's relatively cheap to create and maintain and we're an island surrounded by some powerful tidal range areas
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07/04/2021 15:29:17 1 1
bbc
How about heat pumps from our seas instead of barrages or sea wind farms?
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07/04/2021 15:50:49 1 0
bbc
Ridiculous comment: Government pays up to 48pKWH index linked for 25 years to some renewable producers. One occasion increased day generation meant price negative at -1.9pkwh. No consumer gained. We lost by massive subsidy & ever increasing cost to consumers of wrongly described 'cheap' electricity. Gas boilers pundits forget a 24kw boiler could cost £29 a week to run on electricity 5 times gas!
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07/04/2021 10:10:40 41 15
bbc
So, vast numbers of trees storing atmospheric carbon going back upto 90 years are cut down in the US, Canada and Russia. Chipped, shipped here to be burnt, releasing all that stored up carbon in one go! Then classified as Green!
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07/04/2021 10:36:29 19 0
bbc
Indeed, Drax burning chipped mature trees is a complete greenwash con trick. It should be illegal.
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07/04/2021 10:17:43 12 4
bbc
Have you got links to support your claim?
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07/04/2021 10:27:27 18 12
bbc
And under a Conservative government too.

That will have the Guardian readers choking on their avocado toast and lattes this morning.
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07/04/2021 10:36:40 9 1
bbc
Well, seeing as they'd shut the coal mines last time round, and had failed to do anything in particular in respect of new nuclear, and gas prices are only going to trend upwards over time, and your average Tory donor can make £££'s out of renting their large land holdings to wind generators - what did you expect them to do? If there's money to be made and subsidies, you'll find a Tory.
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07/04/2021 10:36:44 6 7
bbc
Nuclear isn't "green" until the problem of being utterly unable to properly decommission it is solved. Current government policy is to put land beyond use *forever* and to use public funds to pay for maintenance of radioactive waste. Besides which it supports unlimited population (putting pressure on already beleaguered Nature and public finances) and suffers from insufficiently shared ownership.
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07/04/2021 10:49:11 3 0
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Yes, a shut down nuclear reactor the size of a couple of football pitches, where the risk of pitching a tent alongside and living in it would be less than smoking a single cigarette each day.
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07/04/2021 11:27:38 0 0
bbc
Generation 4 Nuclear power will use the vast majority of the high grade radioactive waste as fuel. The end quantity is really not that much.

Only the 1st generation of Nuclear power stations are decommissioned by ukGov money. Gen 2 and later pay into a fund for decommissioning from day 1 of generation.

You seem to be light on fact, heavy but with fiction & lies.
Suggest you research a bit more.
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07/04/2021 10:37:10 48 7
bbc
Excellent news!

For years and years the oilheads were bleating that renewables were a waste of time & would never contribute significantly to our energy needs etc. They are and were wrong.
You appear not to grasp the essential weakness of the current system and the requirement for back-up from other forms of generation. So maybe you are an airhead if that is how you wish to carry out arguments. Removed
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07/04/2021 15:55:59 1 2
bbc
They do contribute, but at vastly increased cost. They quote how cheap this kit is, yet some get paid 48p kWh to produce Index linked25 years. Consumers get increased bills for what's become unaffordable. Being green should be called being blue. Many can't afford energy bills. Spot price dropped to -1.9pKwh through overproduction of renewables yet paying 45PKwh but consumers didn't get that price.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
bbc
I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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07/04/2021 10:37:25 1 1
bbc
What made you think that solar and wind power is free? The existing equipment is expensive to manufacture, install and maintain, additionally it isn't very efficient.
Green power isn't cheaper, it's use is necessary to reduce carbon emissions.
We need to be investing in more efficient forms of green energy.
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07/04/2021 10:11:49 47 12
bbc
Sounds like good progress; if we are to get other countries with large pollution problems to follow suit, we need to go further ourselves and promote the benefits of greener energy, so as to lead by example.
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07/04/2021 10:25:10 5 9
bbc
Stop with the leading by example nonsense. Whatever Britain does itself on this issue is next to meaningless. Do you think India and China building roughly a new coal fired powerstation every couple of days is going to be affected by the UK "leading by example"?
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 4 11
bbc
Blah, Blah, Blah. This is a global problem, the Far East, China, India etc don't give a green tree about global warming, or CO2 reduction. Were are making Zero impact on the demise of the world.
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07/04/2021 10:44:30 1 2
bbc
Even if you ignore the CO2 issue it is great news that wind and solar have become cost competitive with coal burning. Even if the countries you mention didn't care about global warming, they do care about sources of power which are cheap and still falling in cost.
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07/04/2021 10:46:41 0 0
bbc
historically we kicked started this
who is to say we cant take the lead again
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07/04/2021 10:16:52 11 6
bbc
They’re greener by consumption than we are by miles
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07/04/2021 10:27:22 2 0
bbc
Ha, ha, ha....millions of factories belching out smoke 24/7 from mainly coal trundled over from Oz and you talk about `consumption`.Lol.
With belching out disingenous stats like that just to big up communist China....you need to apply to work for the BBC.
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07/04/2021 10:25:44 76 25
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I protested against a 'wind farm' that was constructed near where we live. We have plenty of wind already, thank you very much, without creating any more. And how much electricity must it take to turn those massive blades?
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07/04/2021 10:28:27 1 20
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it takes no electricity "to turn those massive blades". That's what the wind is doing for us. Inside the turbine is a generator producing the electricity we crave...
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07/04/2021 10:55:34 14 0
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Whoosh......
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07/04/2021 11:24:17 5 0
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There's always one!
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07/04/2021 11:45:25 3 0
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Sigh!
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07/04/2021 13:11:16 4 2
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How much did it cost to have your sense of humour amputated?????
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07/04/2021 10:30:49 11 0
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No mention of that old `sustainable` Bio-Mass, BBC?
Or in real world terms..."Throwing trees in the oven!"
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07/04/2021 10:41:37 7 3
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I too have concerns over the burning of biomass. But that doesn't detract from the fantastically large proportion of power coming from wind and solar. If we keep heading in the right direction with those then the burning of biomass and gas will become the exception rather than the rule just like coal is today.
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07/04/2021 14:50:19 1 0
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Good to see that more people are seeing through the Biomass lie
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07/04/2021 17:35:02 0 0
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If ones reads past the headline to, say, paragraph 7 one would find a link to a whole (BBC, 2017) article about the biomass controversy. Is that a case of 'no mention' or 'no bothering to read'?
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08/04/2021 19:27:29 0 0
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If nobody uses the trees, they will just fall down, rot and create methane.
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07/04/2021 10:15:46 53 6
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While this is good news there should be a push to get the population to look at and reduce consumption
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07/04/2021 10:39:15 13 41
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Yes what about the days of food rationing and food stamps this would help to bring down ridiculous excess consumption and stock piling food for no reason. Cutting down the ridiculous amounts of meat people consume would be a great start
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:12:57 4 5
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I agree with the last bit, given that meat consumption is bad for the environment, bad for animal welfare, and (at the levels most consume it) bad for personal health, and thus bad for the economy.

Not sure food stamps are part of the solution though.

Most people I know that reduce meat intake don't go back to their old diet though, because they notice feeling better for it.
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07/04/2021 10:14:03 32 18
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Now, where are the foolish comments from the people who believe that unless wind turbines work 100% of the time we shouldn't have them at all? I give it about 5 mins...
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07/04/2021 10:39:18 7 7
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Early part of March WindFarms across the whole of the UK couldnt even produce 0.5 GW of power yet 25+ GW of wind farms have been installed.

So care to suggest a practical alternatives to how we get power?
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07/04/2021 10:47:52 4 5
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I will ask for your comment to be removed because your statistic is invented/fake. Since 2019, wind generators have become the UK's second largest source of electricity, providing 64 TWh that year; almost one fifth of the UK's total generation.
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08/04/2021 11:49:58 0 0
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store wind power on batteries - ask Elon Musk about it
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07/04/2021 10:15:46 53 6
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While this is good news there should be a push to get the population to look at and reduce consumption
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07/04/2021 10:39:21 17 0
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Per capita energy consumption is decreasing over time. Electricity consumption is, however, destined to rise - because of energy substitution (think electric cars, trains, heating, industrial processes moving to electricity from gas etc.)

Prof David Mackay discussed this at length in his book 'Sustainable Energy - Without The Hot Air'. So we'll need more electricity in future despite reductions.
Capitalism and greed has taken us to this.
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07/04/2021 10:15:46 53 6
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While this is good news there should be a push to get the population to look at and reduce consumption
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07/04/2021 10:39:58 4 9
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Slashing the grant for electric vehicles has not helped. Prices have shot up in the last few weeks.
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07/04/2021 10:57:07 9 4
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As has cutting the feed in tariffs and other grants to install solar PV, heat pumps and other green technology. The government sings a good green song, but it's actions are doing the opposite by removing help and the incentives.
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07/04/2021 17:03:08 3 0
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Slashing?

It's ,£500 reduction on cars over ,£30k
It's barley a dent in the cost
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KS
07/04/2021 10:32:44 35 3
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I see a windmill turning on the hill in the distance and love the fact it is non polluting way of gathering energy from the wind.
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07/04/2021 11:22:54 10 32
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If only if it was that simple.

You forget the millions of blades each year that cant be recycled & instead are being landfilled.

You forget that they destroy a lot of the endangered birds

You forget that the the storage requirements will make them more expensive than nuclear.
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07/04/2021 10:34:42 11 12
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Or just some sensible people who realise wind and solar are not guaranteed sources of energy.
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07/04/2021 10:41:17 4 1
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Solar energy is pretty much guaranteed for the next billion years.
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07/04/2021 10:50:54 3 0
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In space it's constant (almost, the Sun does fluctuate) but the Earth does this pesky titling on it's axis thing which results in higher latitudes receiving much weaker and less sunshine in winter plus we live in one of the cloudiest areas on Earth
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:30:38 10 4
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So as Labour "put in place" HS2, why is it the conservatives taking the flack for it?
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07/04/2021 10:41:30 10 6
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Because all Labour did on HS2 was commission an initial report. On wind generation, Labour put in place the subsidy, invested in incentives for development, wrote planning policy documents - in other words, made the paradigm shift that the Tories haven't yet managed to dismantle.
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OwO
07/04/2021 10:45:33 4 4
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And of the last 11 years of new investment, new initiatives etc? Nothing about their admitting to making up HS2 costs "on the back of a fag packet" before they started the project - a whole load more than an initial report.

Sounds like you just want to give Labour an easy ride. Making the world greener is not a "party" issue, best not to treat it like it is.
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07/04/2021 18:19:38 0 0
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They've already cancelled the zero carbon homes requirement. We'd have had a million zero carbon homes by now if Osborne hadn't done that.
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07/04/2021 10:30:49 11 0
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No mention of that old `sustainable` Bio-Mass, BBC?
Or in real world terms..."Throwing trees in the oven!"
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07/04/2021 10:41:37 7 3
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I too have concerns over the burning of biomass. But that doesn't detract from the fantastically large proportion of power coming from wind and solar. If we keep heading in the right direction with those then the burning of biomass and gas will become the exception rather than the rule just like coal is today.
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07/04/2021 10:25:17 12 4
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While I personally agree it's a waste, I'm not sure how you ban something which is just an algorithm running on your computer. How would you even enforce that? Whether you like crypto-currencies or not, eliminating them is a complete non-possibility for better or worse.
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07/04/2021 10:42:11 4 5
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I doubt what you say is factual. I'm fairly sure for starters that hubs have been set up for the purpose.

You are in fact suggesting human beings should stupidly and at detriment to the environment carry on polluting!
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07/04/2021 10:42:21 3 3
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This is good news, However, This is in ideal situations. Wind is one of the worst forms of renewable. Lets ignore making roads just to transport the turbines. and ignore the steel, metals, rare earth metals, transportation of raw materials for just a second. All turbines work to a very tiny window. Below 8mph its got no power, after 28mph then its losing power. 28mph is most effective @ 1130W
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Boy
07/04/2021 10:44:05 1 0
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Cool Story
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07/04/2021 11:18:56 1 0
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Yep people forget the power is related to the winds cubed.
The proponents always think that the WT is creating its faceplate value.

https://energynumbers.info/uk-offshore-wind-capacity-factors
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07/04/2021 10:43:08 5 5
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Didn't the remoaners say that if we voted to leave the EU then the wind would stop blowing?

I'm sure they did!
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07/04/2021 11:04:47 0 2
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Grow up.
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07/04/2021 10:43:08 2 2
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We need to move towards bladeless vortex turbines. Suitable for land use, no blades no noise, lower CO2 impact, lower maintenance costs and not harmful to birds
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07/04/2021 10:46:30 3 0
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So we'll pull all the old ones down, dump it in landfill, mine some more raw materials then use energy to make some new ones, sounds like a winner to me.
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07/04/2021 10:49:49 0 1
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No we don’t, current ones work fine on land, are silent already, most efficient and therefore best for co2. Effect on birds trivial, ask the rspb, totally dwarfed by deaths due to collisions with vehicles, buildings and the billions killed by domestic cats.
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07/04/2021 11:15:02 1 0
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Thanks, I was unaware of this and it is certainly creative & does appear to have many advantages, espically for wild life.

But, it still suffers from the usual issue of lack of wind.

The company website for those who are intersted:
https://vortexbladeless.com/
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 6 8
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I thought electricity was going to come down in price because of all this "free" wind and sun. That's what we were told anyway.

It's just gone up, again.

So either I've been lied to/conned, or someone is getting richer from my increased bills and their lower costs.
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07/04/2021 10:43:29 0 1
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It was never touted to be cheaper. In fact in the short term quite the opposite. It was however, championed to be greener. It is. It's a start, there is much to do yet.
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07/04/2021 10:26:15 4 11
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Blah, Blah, Blah. This is a global problem, the Far East, China, India etc don't give a green tree about global warming, or CO2 reduction. Were are making Zero impact on the demise of the world.
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07/04/2021 10:44:30 1 2
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Even if you ignore the CO2 issue it is great news that wind and solar have become cost competitive with coal burning. Even if the countries you mention didn't care about global warming, they do care about sources of power which are cheap and still falling in cost.
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07/04/2021 11:09:14 1 2
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Coal is far cheaper - if it was not being heavily taxed to pay for vanity windmills
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07/04/2021 10:15:13 50 133
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No thought for the migratory and feeding birds, or the cetaceans whose habit we are destroying?
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07/04/2021 10:44:38 41 7
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What peer reviewed evidence do you have for this? Note - Twitter, Facebook and The Daily Mail do not constitute peer reviewed data.
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07/04/2021 11:02:01 8 10
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Sorry to contradict you but its far more likely that complaints would come from the direction of the Greens and the left wing tat that they read than the DM.

It is after all the Green party (amongst others) that stopped the Severn tidal barrage
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07/04/2021 10:44:42 5 2
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Typical BBC Fake News.
When the wind blows it generates some of our electricity
When the wind doesn't blow, 30% of the time, none of our electricity comes from wind and we rely on nuclear and fossil fuels.
It is a myth to claim we can generate electricity renewably using intermittent renewable methods of generation.
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07/04/2021 10:59:48 1 0
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We should look to tidal energy too then, as that's not intermittent.

One day though, hopefully we will have fusion energy, lots of research is currently being invested in it. Although it always seems to be 10 years away.....
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07/04/2021 11:02:57 3 0
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Yep 4.34% of Easter the renewables produced 80+% of the electricity.

But 70% of the time renewables couldnt produce 25% of the electricity demand.

Renewables could only reliably produce 10% of the demand based on Easter data. And thats using only the 4 days of Easter. On the 1st of april there was less than 0.7% of the time where renewables supplied 40% of demand.

renewables = unreliable
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07/04/2021 10:44:43 27 5
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wind and solar are great when the sun is shining and the wind blowing but until we come up with a decent energy storage scheme its just a money maker for some lucky folks. I'll be impressed with renewables when the older power stations are decommissioned and taken offline and we stop using biomass as fuel.
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Ben
07/04/2021 10:54:45 6 11
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biomass is a carbon neutral source of energy. Not sure why that needs to be stopped?
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07/04/2021 11:00:59 6 2
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There is not energy storage scheme or combination of schemes that can store TWh of power.

There needs to be at least 5 days of complete storage to cope with the wrong weather. So winter use peaks at 50GW, thats before the rush to EVs & the issue with ASHP that become less efficient in colder weather. Although the ASHP acting as coolers will mean summer demand will rocket in very hot weather
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07/04/2021 11:03:15 4 1
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Totally agree, energy storage is the key problem. In Jan / Feb we often get a high pressure over the UK - no wind and 100% clould = no wind or solar, and temps down to -20C in southern England.
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07/04/2021 12:25:33 4 2
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Schemes are allready being added:

Old car batteries with reduced power/weight ratios give years of extra use as static storage; See Tesla.

Windmill energy can be used to produce Hydrogen; See recent government scheme.

Solar energy stored in molten salts; perhaps not that useable in UK. Is in use in Spain.

...those who say it can't be done get overtaken by those who are doing it...