City drivers 'should think twice' before buying SUVs
07/04/2021 | news | business | 1,852
The boss of the RAC Foundation says drivers in urban areas should consider which car is most appropriate.
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07/04/2021 10:05:50 395 26
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The peer pressure to drive a Chelsea Tractor is too great for many of these consumers. If only they could learn how to drive and park them!
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07/04/2021 10:09:08 237 11
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Hehe. Good luck with that one. They always seem to be the worst drivers.
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07/04/2021 10:10:56 12 23
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Expensive cars park themselves.
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xlr
07/04/2021 10:16:43 32 1
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The last parking space left is always a strip between two big SUVs that only a motorbike could fit into.
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07/04/2021 10:17:50 39 2
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If only we could upload a photo. SUV driver not only hit a bollard in our Waitrose car park but managed to uproot it from the ground and all the adjacent paved pathway. He drew quite an audience, pointing out he was in a parent and child space but lacked a child, his eyesight was in question, he didn't know how to reverse park or know length of vehicle. Perhaps he'll shop elsewhere in future.
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07/04/2021 10:24:31 39 3
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So true only off roading they do is parking on the kerb
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07/04/2021 10:36:53 23 1
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Absolutely, living in the area it's very frustrating when people who have SUVs can't park or judge distances properly. If you can't drive it safely, get a car you can.
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07/04/2021 10:38:02 19 2
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Research shows that in families, the choice of car type (if not the specific make and model) is mainly down to the mother, who will decide on perceived safety for her children, and also what her peers drive. That's why SUVs are purchased, despite not being safer, and certainly not for the people outside the vehicle that are hit. That's where any anti-SUV marketing has to be targeted.
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07/04/2021 10:45:13 18 3
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Peer pressure only works on the weak
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07/04/2021 10:47:50 16 2
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Indeed

It's astonishing how much of a motivator "keeping up with the Joneses" is in many otherwise sensible people's buying decisions.

I generally try to openly rebel against that, which is a key reason I have always driven Fords and keep each one for as long as it stays reliable. My current 2009 Fiesta for my commute is still managing almost 50mpg and going strong.
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07/04/2021 10:41:19 20 2
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I have noticed that. The flashier the car, the worse the driving. Perhaps rather than wasting money on flash rubbish these people should spend a bit on IAM/RoSPA advanced lessons and a few track days!
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07/04/2021 11:09:54 10 3
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And the majority are PCP or lease hire as they can't afford to buy them outright. If you don't do off roading then you don't need one. Ridiculous vehicles.
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07/04/2021 11:12:42 4 2
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And they are always driven by a tiny blonde woman.
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07/04/2021 11:20:17 2 3
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They park themselves now and nearly drive themselves too
AMc
07/04/2021 12:35:40 2 0
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Sorry, 'Chelsea Tractor' is actually out of touch, most SUV's have the same size and emissions as other cars, and most are owned by regular families, taking the Nissan Qashqai as a prime example.

That said owning and driving a much larger Land Rover Discovery in the inner city is a bit silly, but most are owned by drug cartel dealers, so I'm not going to argue with them!!
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07/04/2021 10:06:28 16 15
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Punitive tax would help, as with tobacco.
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07/04/2021 10:07:48 11 3
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Do you mean 'road' tax, which is much more expensive if you have a big engined vehicle - which SUVs tend to be?
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07/04/2021 11:54:35 0 0
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Yes, all drivers should have the correct papers for the car they drive and the journey they are taking

Failure to comply and you are off the the ‘big house’ for a long stay, comrade!
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07/04/2021 10:06:56 376 34
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If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV….

They take up so much space, particularly when parking, Pollute much more and barely fit down some roads. Seriously what is the point of them in cities, and if your only response is “for my children” I’d say make the little porkies walk for a change, it’s not like they are far away from much in a city.
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07/04/2021 10:14:13 185 19
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SUVs have no more interior space than the equivalent estate or hatch, usually it is raised suspension/ride height and flared arches that differentiate them from their similar floor plan normal cars.
Man, I bet you're a right old raucous laugh at parties. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:15:41 36 3
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...make the little porkies walk... Brilliant :)
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xlr
07/04/2021 10:17:16 40 4
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The bigger the car the fatter the kids, usually.
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07/04/2021 10:29:01 26 3
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You don’t need one in the countryside either. The narrow lanes are too small for a huge SUV. Ever seen one an SUV driver trying to reverse one?
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07/04/2021 10:37:45 8 4
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Especially in stabby stabby London !
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DJ
07/04/2021 10:50:09 16 1
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Agree, and little need for them in my part of the Cotswolds either. Just fashion-driven, but oversized ugly boxes, usually with poor handling and fuel consumption.
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07/04/2021 10:51:29 4 14
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"If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV…."

Ever cross your mind that people who do just that may drive elsewhere at weekends? No? It is not your business what car anyone needs or wants.
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Jim
07/04/2021 11:23:38 2 3
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Unless of course you have one car in the family and use its size to haul family on weekends???
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LH
07/04/2021 11:55:53 0 3
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So, people who live in the city aren't allowed to go out of it!!??
AMc
07/04/2021 12:40:29 2 3
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Define 'City Centre'?
Define what size of car is acceptable or not for a family 2 Adults and 2.5 kids? many saloons have larger footprints than most SUVs
Define what is acceptable pollution - most city centres are congested with empty, very large highly polluting diesel buses.

Common sense must prevail not this silly reactive politics of misguided envy.
07/04/2021 13:00:46 2 1
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It's call freedom. And a Mondeo to superb is of a similar size when parked. This is called research before posting silly comments.
07/04/2021 13:13:18 1 2
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I would never buy an SUV but I believe strongly in people having the choice to do so if they want to and not be pressured by the dictates of others. Having said that it’s also vital that the cost of buying/running reflects their effect on the environment.
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07/04/2021 13:16:10 1 0
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Are you proposing that vehicles over a certain size are banned or is it just that you have an aversion about SUVs? Vans, pickups and camper vans are bigger and more polluting than most SUVs and crossovers, so should these be banned from residential areas? The same applies to luxury cars like S class Mercedes?
07/04/2021 13:29:22 1 0
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What about the shocking state of our roads pot holes everywhere
07/04/2021 14:57:03 2 0
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They dont all pollute more so why put them all in one witch hunted group....some are all electric and dont pollute at all....apart from manufacture and heavy toxic metals in the batteries but thats a different arguement....
07/04/2021 15:24:23 0 1
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Estate cars are longer; are they the next victim of the BBC anti car narrative?
There are lots of other lifestyle choices that take up land or drive CO2 emissions; owning horses, having period houses, using log burners.. or shopping at primark.
Are we to dictate what everyone can and can not do?
Ironically biggest waste of space on the roads where I live are the empty buses.
07/04/2021 16:59:46 0 0
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The chassis size is the same as many other "normal cars" in the range, they probably take up no more space on the road than many others. Their height and squareness of design just make then appear so.
08/04/2021 16:57:09 0 0
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My SUV actually pollutes less then the saloon car it replaced. But why let facts get in the way of your envy.
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07/04/2021 10:07:36 6 6
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Best ever bumper sticker on a classic mini

"Sell my mini? I'd rather shove wasps up my ****"
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07/04/2021 10:11:56 3 1
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Truly hilarious.................................
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07/04/2021 10:06:28 16 15
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Punitive tax would help, as with tobacco.
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07/04/2021 10:07:48 11 3
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Do you mean 'road' tax, which is much more expensive if you have a big engined vehicle - which SUVs tend to be?
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07/04/2021 10:09:44 4 3
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Yes but much higher than now.
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07/04/2021 10:15:17 2 1
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No it's not. The first year the hulk is highly taxed, then we all pay the same.
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07/04/2021 12:12:20 0 0
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No, because there is no such thing as Road Tax. However he may mean VEHICLE TAX!
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07/04/2021 10:08:07 10 9
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Alternatively, reduce the size of the speedbumps in the Waitrose car park. Then there would be no justification for buying a Chelsea tractor.
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07/04/2021 10:08:16 17 12
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I'd always assumed they were either poor drivers who felt safer being in a big car or were just very shallow and associated big with better
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07/04/2021 10:10:22 7 4
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Yep. Very very shallow.
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07/04/2021 10:08:23 18 3
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Hammersmith and Fulham resident here, and I can confirm that there are a tonne of SUVs on the roads. This is a wealthy borough, and any additional costs on the vehicles are like water of a duck's back for a lot of the residents. If the government want to change consumer habits then it can't just come from penal taxes. I'm not sure what the answer is besides electric cars becoming more practical.
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07/04/2021 10:10:07 19 13
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So really the taxes need to be massively punitive.

Bring it on.
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07/04/2021 10:08:30 188 48
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To be fair, driving an SUV does make you look like a wally.
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07/04/2021 11:30:06 42 89
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as opposed to having your knees in your mouth in your smart car.
AC
07/04/2021 15:58:26 1 1
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Sounds like Jealousy Darling..?
Our New Range Rover Autobiography shows Status/ Wealth as myself and my Darling Husband are..
.Health- Wealth -Happiness..
08/04/2021 07:19:53 0 0
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When I'm towing a bit over a ton with my little my little SUV it is clear why I have one. Else they are a bit pointless
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07/04/2021 10:08:40 136 11
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These people seem oblivious to what most people think of them.
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07/04/2021 10:17:30 64 99
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No. it's not a case of being oblivious, it's simply that we don't care.
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07/04/2021 10:54:12 17 3
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No. They are misguided. SUV drivers think other people think 'ooh, cool'. When what we actually think is 'ooh, selfish'.
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07/04/2021 10:08:53 3 4
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The only way to prevent this is by taxation. Given the choice between a medium sized car and a large car, safety-conscious drivers will always pick the large one, because the kinematics of crashes teaches us that the large car ploughs on while the small car takes the brunt of the damage.
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07/04/2021 10:14:57 2 4
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So - require a special licence (requiring 100,000 miles or 10 years driving without acquiring any traffic or parking convictions, or a current PSV or HGV qualification) to drive any vehicle weighing over 1 ton fully laden.
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07/04/2021 10:09:00 15 6
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Ridiculous the way in which the size, weight + engine capacity have grown in the last decade or so. SUVs are only required by a few mountain farmers and most of those would prefer a genuine 'Land Rover' type of utility vehicle. SUVs should be banned and taxed off the road. Every encouragement of electric vehicles is needed as well as an encouragement to use public rather than private transport.
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07/04/2021 10:43:33 5 4
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Public transport ? You are joking right - have you seen the state of our public transport the system. The only thing dirtier, is the people.
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07/04/2021 10:05:50 395 26
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The peer pressure to drive a Chelsea Tractor is too great for many of these consumers. If only they could learn how to drive and park them!
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07/04/2021 10:09:08 237 11
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Hehe. Good luck with that one. They always seem to be the worst drivers.
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07/04/2021 10:13:49 34 3
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I have two big craters in my tailgate where someone with bull bars got too close in the supermarket car park. They can't handle them.
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07/04/2021 11:29:53 0 2
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Probably part of the attraction of them. If I was a bad driver (let's imagine that I'm not, for this purpose), I'd like to be in a monster vehicle when I smash into something.
08/04/2021 07:38:11 1 0
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By far the worst drivers own Audi or BMW.
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07/04/2021 10:09:19 13 7
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Just increase tax and parking permit charges on SUVs until it really hurts.

Discount only for those registered more than 20 miles from an urban centre so that farmers etc are not unfairly disadvantaged.
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07/04/2021 10:27:26 3 1
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Farmers, etc? Who else would need them apart from farmers? Too many people on the school run already in the countryside clogging up narrow lanes with vehicles that are too big for the road network. Just because you live in the UK countryside it doesn’t mean you need an SUV.
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07/04/2021 10:09:23 67 2
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Surely it is not difficult to distinguish between big 4-wheel drives like Range Rovers and SUV look-alikes like Jules & C4 Cactuses. Unfortunately the big ones have become luxury staus symbols rather than utilitarian vehicles like the Landrover.
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07/04/2021 10:14:33 32 2
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Have you seen the cost of the new Landrover
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07/04/2021 10:25:47 7 7
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Possibly farmers might need a 4x4 to traverse muddy fields, maybe rescue vehicles. But absolutely nobody needs an SUV or 4x4.
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07/04/2021 11:04:25 0 2
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You CAN blame British Layland for this. Since they started it all with the Range Rover... and look where it got them!

Witout the RR, LR would have gone by now.
07/04/2021 17:52:35 1 0
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And that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
08/04/2021 17:14:23 0 0
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Whats the matter with wanting better? Of course those opposed to the better off in principle could always emigrate the socialist paradise that is North Korea...

Wanting bigger/better/faster/cheaper/more efficient is what drives... what's it called again Oh yes PROGRESS.
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07/04/2021 10:09:28 9 9
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Peer pressure is already doing this, electric is cool now. People like to be fashionable and this will dictate significant change.
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07/04/2021 10:55:10 1 0
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There are already electric SUVs which are still inefficient WRT energy consumption compared to normal sized vehicles. Same metal box, same issues despite a different power source.
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07/04/2021 10:09:28 236 12
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This is an example of where undesirable consumerism influences are effective: others are pressured into getting bigger and supposedly better vehicles they don’t need by making them think their life is incomplete until they’ve got one, and/or to keep up with others. The same applies for any other popular consumer product in society.
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07/04/2021 10:18:49 258 2
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£200 trainers are in the same bracket. Those who buy them never even break into a trot.
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xlr
07/04/2021 10:23:49 18 6
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The spare tyre mounted on the back of some... will most drivers need that? In city they're never far from garage (who'll also come to you), and if they break down on the motorway they should never try to change it themselves anyway.

Great idea if you live on a farm, the Welsh mountains or the Scottish Highlands. Otherwise, a huge lump of useless crap burning fuel... much like SUVs in general.
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07/04/2021 11:18:10 8 2
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Clever marketing- and it's the vacuous ones who fall for it.
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07/04/2021 11:41:27 5 0
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Well if the person is so easily and vainly driven, they deserved to get fleeced and be unhappy, because they never will be! More to life than the latest whatever it is!
07/04/2021 14:53:42 0 3
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People buy these things for their utility

They are modern estate cars, not cut down Range Rovers bought to show off as those who like to sneer might suggest

People want the extra space that you get with a raised floor where wheel arches impinge less. We all have more stuff, and children needing to be in booster seats until they are 21 etc which means more space is desirable for sensible reasons.
07/04/2021 17:38:15 2 0
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And, that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
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07/04/2021 10:07:48 11 3
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Do you mean 'road' tax, which is much more expensive if you have a big engined vehicle - which SUVs tend to be?
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07/04/2021 10:09:44 4 3
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Yes but much higher than now.
Removed
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07/04/2021 10:09:45 12 7
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Can't just be me that finds the majority of SUV's boring to look at and dull to drive?

Would rather have a car any day. Where have all the quirky ones gone?
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07/04/2021 10:09:48 17 8
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What i find interesting is the lack of balance. Nobody seems to object to the big mum vans, with 7 seats, yet these are often larger in terms of foot print, than a 7 seat SUVs, which apparently are the anti-Christ.

I have a 7 seat Range Rover, but wouldn't dream of taking it into London, or any major city for that matter.
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07/04/2021 10:19:55 2 4
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They don’t make a 7 seat RR.

A 7 seat Discovery yes, but not a RR.
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07/04/2021 10:22:05 2 0
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The issue is that MPVs are no longer the vehicle of choice for the school run. It's now all SUVs.
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07/04/2021 10:24:09 4 3
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Mum vans are being replaced by SUVs.

Why do you need a 7 seat SUV in the UK? You’re not going off road. And the country lanes aren’t wide enough for your vehicle. Every time you have to squeeze by another vehicle the verges and edges of the road are getting damaged.

It’s a status symbol. Not a necessity.
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07/04/2021 10:52:23 2 1
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Where's your evidence for this? Show us an MPV that is as big, heavy and inefficient as a Range Rover/Audi Q7/BMW X5.
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07/04/2021 11:01:31 0 1
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Why do have a seven seater? How many children is enough?
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07/04/2021 10:10:03 8 14
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we need an SUV to drive on Britains crumbling road system
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07/04/2021 10:11:48 6 1
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Why the roads are crumbling

You're the reason general Wade's road was closed
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07/04/2021 10:19:03 2 0
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Who is “we”???
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07/04/2021 10:20:57 1 0
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SUVs are so big that there isn’t any room to pass on country lanes, so more of the edges of the road are damaged with pot holes as cars squeeze by each other.

On top of that you have farmers driving inappropriate tractors with tank tracks in the UK, dumping half of their fields on country lanes and destroying the already poor tar and stone chip roads, it’s no wonder the roads are terrible.
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07/04/2021 10:56:52 0 0
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We drive on the left of the road, and on what's left of the road......
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07/04/2021 10:08:23 18 3
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Hammersmith and Fulham resident here, and I can confirm that there are a tonne of SUVs on the roads. This is a wealthy borough, and any additional costs on the vehicles are like water of a duck's back for a lot of the residents. If the government want to change consumer habits then it can't just come from penal taxes. I'm not sure what the answer is besides electric cars becoming more practical.
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07/04/2021 10:10:07 19 13
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So really the taxes need to be massively punitive.

Bring it on.
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07/04/2021 10:10:15 5 8
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We need to go much further, and ensure that most people in cities don't have private cars at all.
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07/04/2021 10:10:19 3 12
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What a ridiculous statement from Steve Gooding of the RAC Foundation. When anyone buys a car they look at many aspects and choose the one that in the main best suits their needs (and is within their budget). His he suggesting that you buy several cars - one for bobbing around town, one for your holidays around the country with the family and another for your work needs. Get real.
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07/04/2021 10:25:16 1 3
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I don’t believe having a vehicle is in your best interest. Use public transport and taxis/hire cars to suit your requirements ??????????????
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07/04/2021 10:08:16 17 12
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I'd always assumed they were either poor drivers who felt safer being in a big car or were just very shallow and associated big with better
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07/04/2021 10:10:22 7 4
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Yep. Very very shallow.
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07/04/2021 10:10:39 8 4
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The Lexus NX300 comes with the hybrid option.

Surely, Chelsea yummy mummies can drive in electric mode when they pick up Henry and Henrietta from their private preparatory school?
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07/04/2021 10:21:19 1 1
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Surely. Sharon in her Kia 4x4 doesn't when she drops Wayne and Waynetta off at our local county primary though.
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07/04/2021 10:10:39 101 12
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I guess most city dwellers who buy large SUVs don't think even once - about other road users or about the environment ...

... but as for electric SUVs being "environmentally friendly", large vehicles consume more resources to produce and more energy to run and also contribute more particulate emission from brakes and tyres than smaller ones.

Perhaps if road surfaces were better maintained ...
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07/04/2021 10:22:32 88 5
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You can add to your list that heavier vehicles do more damage to roads.
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07/04/2021 11:23:20 3 0
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Yes makes me laugh the latest 'e-racing', extreme
Huge EVs massive batteries, blasting round courses set in the natural environment
Being shipped all over the world to race in different countries & environments, from deserts to arctic tundra
Being advertised as a sport to support & promote reduction of our ecological footprint

wtPH!

Madness
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07/04/2021 10:10:53 208 11
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The only reason I can think for wanting an SUV in a city centre (if it's not for work purposes) is as some poor attempt for a status symbol.

And if I were the kind of person who needed a car as a status symbol, I doubt I'd have given my carbon footprint any though, and would be very unlikely to change.
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07/04/2021 10:23:55 20 130
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Potholes
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07/04/2021 10:29:40 6 12
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The additional height gives crucial extra visibility in traffic (until everyone has one) - seriously!
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07/04/2021 10:39:15 4 19
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You've clearly never driven around London where the combination of potholes and well meaning but poorly designed and maintained traffic calming measures ensure that the life expectancy of your exhaust and tyres are greatly enhanced if they are higher and wider.

I'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying I can see why people choose them.
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07/04/2021 10:52:55 9 1
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Feel sorry for anyone that picks a 'status symbol' car to prove they are 'somebody.' Someone who designs or builds their car...impressive. Simply handing over cash to buy a car you can't even drive or park properly just to show off...saddo.
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07/04/2021 10:51:51 3 0
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Cars are poor status symbols. Properly posh people are more likely to spend money on and be knowledgeable about their gardens and plants. Because they don't have to prove anything to anyone.
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07/04/2021 11:11:51 1 0
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I needed load space.

I could have bought a SUV or an estate car.

The estate car is bigger.

Not sure what this article is all about to be honest.
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07/04/2021 11:48:34 1 1
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Always owned by morons with more money than taste although most of them are on lease as no intelligent person would actually buy one
AMc
07/04/2021 12:48:21 1 2
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'Status symbol'!!??
What a Nissan Qashqai, Kia Stonic, Nissan Juke, Suzuki Ignis, Skoda Kamiq????

All of which are less polluting and have same or smaller wheel bases than most saloon cars.

God it's depressing the amount of reactive, ill thought out mob noise these stories create on HYS.
07/04/2021 14:58:03 0 0
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At some stage you get sucked into the driving height visibility arms race.

Vans are way up high, so are busses, then you try to drive a little car around and you can't see very well at all.

People who live in cities have the same needs as anyone else, where they need to carry 2 kids in child seats + all their stuff and yours + a dog maybe. That's just not possible in an old 1960s mini.
07/04/2021 17:38:48 0 0
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And that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
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07/04/2021 10:05:50 395 26
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The peer pressure to drive a Chelsea Tractor is too great for many of these consumers. If only they could learn how to drive and park them!
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07/04/2021 10:10:56 12 23
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Expensive cars park themselves.
07/04/2021 12:55:08 1 1
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No, they, don’t. ??
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07/04/2021 10:10:59 6 5
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If we only drove 'appropriate' vehicles, virtually every car out there would be a hatchback. There would many many more 2 seater Smartcar type vehicles too. Luckily we don't live in some Communist hell and can choose what to drive.

Saying that, SUVs are completely unnecessary, usually driven by people who think more metal = more protection when they crash.
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07/04/2021 10:18:32 1 2
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Another who struggles with comprehension skills and uses inappropriate words to show their ignorance.
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07/04/2021 11:16:49 0 0
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I saw a video of a series of popular cars being propelled into an immovable concrete and steel block at 85 mph. The only car in which the driver/crash-test-dummy would have survived was the Smart two-seater.
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07/04/2021 10:09:48 14 3
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I live in the country tho if i lived in London for example then why would i need any car with all that public transport , just hire one if needed to travel out of the city
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07/04/2021 10:11:29 25 13
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An SUV is really just a penis extension.

It's just showing off.
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07/04/2021 10:17:39 13 0
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A struggle if your female ??
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07/04/2021 10:36:04 1 0
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Women dont have penises... well most of them dont.
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07/04/2021 11:34:31 1 0
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That's why the Yummy Mummys love them!
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07/04/2021 10:11:30 9 13
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Not all SUVs are bad; some are quite compact e.g. Range Rover Evoque, and that can be had with a tiny 1.5 litre 3-cyl petrol engine/hybrid motor, emitting 44g CO2.

This demonising people by the puritanical green lobby has to stop?

Maybe we should be providing viable, cheap and clean public transport before endlessly vilifying people.
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07/04/2021 10:13:38 7 0
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Of course NOT buying a new car and keeping your old one on the road would be the greenest option.
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07/04/2021 10:23:01 0 0
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An Evoque compact!!!! Look at a Yaris, that is compact. The manufacturing carbon footprint of electric and hybrid cars is enormous. It's not just about emissions.
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07/04/2021 10:11:32 322 48
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Pointless vehicles. Not suitable for cities and an actual farmer wouldn't be seen dead in one.

Most buy these because they have the daft impression that it will keep little Tarquin and Jacintha safe, when in fact the plethora of these vehicles on city streets actually make children less safe.
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07/04/2021 10:23:20 53 140
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Potholes
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07/04/2021 10:26:47 34 30
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Spoken like a true townie.

Come to my village in winter and try to drive anywhere without a 4x4. Under investment in country roads and lack of gritting by councils mean that to these type of vehicle are essential in the countryside. Although I agree they are unnecessary in Chelsea et al.
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07/04/2021 10:49:03 6 8
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Oh dear someone's stereotyping (again james?) to try to fuel a class war on this issue.

It would be soooo much better if you focused on the negative impacts of the vehicles and not the people you perceive to be the scourge of society.
472
07/04/2021 10:55:33 9 36
bbc
A Ford Focus or a LR Defender. Which would you choose for your child in a crash?

Pretty sure the 4x4 will win.
500
07/04/2021 10:47:51 6 0
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As a farmer, the only modern vehicle worth buying is an Isuzu pick up. Even the Toyota Hilux has gone all soft and townie now!
838
07/04/2021 11:36:43 2 0
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It's an arms race. People think if I get hit by one of those monsters then my kids could get hurt...then they buy one of those! The elevated driving position is available in much smaller cars and I know that some drivers prefer that.
ANO
07/04/2021 13:20:08 2 0
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I'm an "actual farmer" and I drive one because it's practical, goes anywhere on/off road and in comfort. I have been known to drive it through London, so shoot me but they go through the same NCAP tests as any other modern car and if they weren't safe for the road, they wouldn't be there. What would save lives is if people actually obeyed the speed limit - particularly 20s & 30s.
07/04/2021 14:46:51 0 0
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They aren't pointless and they aren't aimed at farmers, so why pretend that they are? I've never seen an advert claiming they are for the farm?

I don't know why it's so hard to understand they are really just raised up estate cars with a bit of bling. The problem is that in the past not many people could get an estate car, but PCP means more can. Estates were big and bad, SUVs are about the same.
07/04/2021 16:17:23 0 0
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Rich kids are in the cars, not walking London's scary dangerous streets with the poor masses, so no danger for them!
08/04/2021 06:14:47 0 0
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Are these also the same stupid people that also open which ever read passenger door is furthest from the pavement to get their child in and out of the car in the middle of the road by chance?
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07/04/2021 10:11:39 164 13
bbc
Big urban SUV ownership should be as socially acceptable as blowing off in a packed lift; nobody is banning it but maybe think twice...
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07/04/2021 10:20:54 35 12
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Sounds like you learnt your lesson.
07/04/2021 12:44:33 1 6
bbc
Ironic that your name is Rich when you’re clearly poor.

Peasants fart in lifts, classy people drive range rovers aggressively outside schools.

Toot toot, get out of my way poor people.
AMc
07/04/2021 12:49:35 3 1
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yeah but blowing off in a lift is sooooo satisfying to he who dealt it! :)
Jay
07/04/2021 14:19:35 1 0
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What's the problem? I am sure in this scenario everyone would be wearing a facemask and socially distanced? Guffing in a lift can get you a 10k fine now don't you know?
21
07/04/2021 10:10:03 8 14
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we need an SUV to drive on Britains crumbling road system
36
07/04/2021 10:11:48 6 1
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Why the roads are crumbling

You're the reason general Wade's road was closed
37
07/04/2021 10:12:03 7 10
bbc
Rather than attack Land Rover which employs 10,000's in the UK, perhaps look at some of the continental car manufacturers which lied about emissions...
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07/04/2021 10:19:15 0 2
bbc
VW/Audi account for a fraction of SUVs, but well done for making it about the EU.

Anyway, I thought German car manufacturers were the wonderful cavalry that were going to rescue you kippers?
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07/04/2021 10:12:16 129 20
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It is all about the status symbol, look at me, I am better than you, I now feel better about myself.

Suggests a severe personal insecurity. Like the mid life crisis family mans 2 seater.
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 76 8
bbc
I think it's also nervous drivers who feel safe and want to be able to shove other cars out of the way, which is why many of the school mums have them.
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07/04/2021 10:33:36 7 5
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I love driving decent sports cars on open winding roads but now it's been confirmed by someone on HYS that i have a severe personal insecurity issue I'll rectify this immediately by purchasing a Nissan Leaf.
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07/04/2021 10:56:28 1 2
bbc
NO

It's a mid-life opportunity vehicle, please see this documentary!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000ty91/top-gear-series-30-episode-4
07/04/2021 17:48:23 1 0
bbc
And, Lylabean, that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
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07/04/2021 10:12:24 1 4
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Bit late for this comment from the RAC Foundation. SUV purchasers have already considered their purchase and decided to buy them. Used to work with a guy who bought an SUV when living in suburbia. His reason? "If my kids are in a car that's involved in accident with an SUV I want them to have similar protection." VED rates should include vehicle dimensions and weight in the calculation process.
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07/04/2021 10:12:29 21 8
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Tax more heavily
But use tax revenue to reduce CO2 or to invest in electric charging points or similar infrastructure
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07/04/2021 10:27:47 7 2
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Sadly the SUV owners would see this as a good thing - look I can afford to pay more tax!
41
07/04/2021 10:12:36 5 4
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A small car is useless for me, as I struggle to get in and out.
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07/04/2021 10:18:05 0 0
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Depends on what you mean by small or big cars. My mother-in-law struggled to CLIMB into a Range Rover.
93
07/04/2021 10:18:10 1 0
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I'm 6'4 and comfortably drive a fiesta as my daily runabout.

How big are you?
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07/04/2021 10:19:40 1 0
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Just nonsense. There are smaller cars without low seating positions.
297
07/04/2021 10:29:25 1 0
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Exactly, a lot of people including my husband need the height of the seat to get in and out due to back, hip or knee problems
909
07/04/2021 11:47:36 0 0
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the Suzuki wagon r is the best car and small for that. Unfortunately they don't make them anymore.
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07/04/2021 10:12:40 3 5
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While I like the look of the SUVs I could never justify one... Saying that we need to be careful when talking about pollution . An SUV or any other large car that does few miles a year is overall less polluting than a small car hybrid/electric that is used a lot. Let's not end up in the same trap again. Using car less and only when need to is key..
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07/04/2021 10:18:31 1 1
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What about the carbon footprint of the SUV manufacture compared to a small car?
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07/04/2021 10:12:43 584 82
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Yes but the ‘yummy’ mummies have got to have their lorries to collect little Tarquin from the local school that’s ten yards away from their home.
Really this is about one-upmanship, someone on their street has a 4x4 so others have to get a bigger one. I frequently see these juggernauts in my area, usually frequented by one or, at most, two people. It’s UTTERLY ridiculous these entitled twerps.
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07/04/2021 10:13:58 199 464
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Politics of envy?
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07/04/2021 10:15:06 91 4
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It's not just yummy mummies. Plenty of agressively driven Kia 4x4s with grumpy working class mums delivering to the schools round my way.
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07/04/2021 10:34:48 9 42
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"from the local school that’s ten yards away from their home.
Really this is about one-upmanship, someone on their street has a 4x4 so others have to get a bigger one."

There's a school every 20 yards on these streets?

If you don't like the pollution and the unbelievable prevalence of schools where you live you could always move.....
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07/04/2021 10:37:35 20 30
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There's a lot of stereotyping in that post, got a chip on your shoulder for sure.
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07/04/2021 10:37:00 10 22
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Yep, you are free to give your insults freely, isn’t free speech a wonderful thing just like free choice, to buy what ever you choose with your own money.
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07/04/2021 10:48:32 8 16
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I understand the point being made. However, please don't mock 'names', particularly where children may be involved.
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07/04/2021 10:51:06 10 4
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Living and working in Saudi Arabia I find this UK definition of a "large" SUV funny, where the "standard" SUV here is 5.7L landcruiser and even that is dwarfed by several other US and Asian brands never even heard of in Europe. Here you really do see SUVs that could be classed as "lorries"
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07/04/2021 10:54:18 9 22
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If I want to take my son out with a group of friends, I need seven seats. You can’t have half a dozen people sat on each other’s laps in the back of a Fiesta any more.
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07/04/2021 10:54:37 13 0
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I think that is quite simply ridiculous, as a farmer of those four legged woolly animals they use to make Marks and Spencer cardigans out of, i just couldn't do without my Porsche Cayenne to toodle round those horrid muddy fields dear.
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07/04/2021 10:56:04 10 3
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Although the pavements of the council estates are littered with them too.
I think the attraction is they are allowed to park in disabled and mother & child parking spaces at supermarkets as well as those reserved for electric charging points.
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07/04/2021 11:11:35 5 0
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Totally agree, but it's just as likely to be Chardonnay not just Tarquin!
682
07/04/2021 11:16:15 4 1
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Oh how these spoilt brat buses show how effective advertising is. They brainwash you into thinking that it is more important to have one than anything else. A badge of honour to have one. Consumerism at its finest.
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07/04/2021 11:18:39 1 10
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OBVIOUSLEY ITS THE MUMS FAULT, UTTER RUBBISH.
Most SUV drivers are male, woman choose cars- 90% choose a small car and as you point out 95% of kids go to schools outside there catchment area, most SUV's are not 4x4 or AWD, think before you ban SUV's they bring in high rate car taxes they bring in high rate vat also this comment will mean good bye land rover jaguar.
THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK
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VoR
07/04/2021 11:28:53 4 0
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Some of these SUVs are more fuel efficient than standard saloons though, if you include the hybrids (let alone the fully electric).
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LH
07/04/2021 11:35:27 1 2
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What's more polluting: 50,000 Ford Focuses driven for 10,000 miles or 80 Ferraris driven for 3,000 miles??!!
872
07/04/2021 11:41:26 2 5
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Most the SUVs I commonly see around here are driven by smallish males but they aren't such a comfortable target for some....
954
07/04/2021 11:55:04 6 3
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Got deliberately bulldozed off my bike by one of those massive things at a junction, impatient driver (blonde woman) didn't stop. I can still see the horrified face of the kid in the back seat looking at me as it drove away. Draw your own conclusions.
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07/04/2021 10:12:49 6 6
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"It is right to question if suburban drivers need a car capable of ploughing over rivers, across fields and up steep hills just to pop to the shops."
----

Given the state of our urban roads & the rest of the environment just to get to the shops, that's going the right way to endorsing these vehicles.
45
07/04/2021 10:12:56 45 1
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The new Mini is 60% bigger than the old Mini.....I'd say more of a Maxi than a Mini.
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07/04/2021 10:23:05 36 12
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It's increase in size is mainly due to essential safety features like side impact protection. Driving the old Mini on a busy road or motorway would make you feel very unsafe nowadays.
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07/04/2021 10:42:43 1 4
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Mini Country-Man = Maxi Village-Idiot!
469
07/04/2021 10:54:54 3 1
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35 years on from my parents owning one of those wretched things, I still shudder when I hear the name. How envious I was of my uncles skoda.
647
07/04/2021 11:12:39 5 0
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The new mini countryman weighs in at 1.3 tonnes. The original mini was 0.5 tonnes.
So the mini has more than doubled in weight and although some of the increase in weight is due to the inclusion of safety features, most of the increase is due to a general growth in vehicle size
07/04/2021 12:41:29 2 0
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A quick check reveals that the current mini has the same wheelbase as the original (1970) Range Rover!
07/04/2021 19:26:20 1 0
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Thank you to the RAC Foundation for pointing out the utter futility of having so many big cars and SUV's with all the dangers of 'Climate Change' on our roads,it is totally irresponsible and a good Government would discourage it.
46
07/04/2021 10:13:15 5 6
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Link an SUV tax to the value of their home.

1% per annum on their £700k London home, perhaps.
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07/04/2021 10:18:24 5 0
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£700k in Chelsea and Fulham?

Do they live in a shed?
47
07/04/2021 10:13:37 3 13
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Yet again self appointed experts tell us how we should live.
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07/04/2021 10:16:43 2 0
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Oh the irony??????
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 1 0
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So how should YOU live ? Would you be proud to think of yourself as a polluter ?
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07/04/2021 10:11:30 9 13
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Not all SUVs are bad; some are quite compact e.g. Range Rover Evoque, and that can be had with a tiny 1.5 litre 3-cyl petrol engine/hybrid motor, emitting 44g CO2.

This demonising people by the puritanical green lobby has to stop?

Maybe we should be providing viable, cheap and clean public transport before endlessly vilifying people.
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07/04/2021 10:13:38 7 0
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Of course NOT buying a new car and keeping your old one on the road would be the greenest option.
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07/04/2021 10:28:48 0 0
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Nope, not true in all cases.

If your old car is a smoking old diesel with no AdBlu injection etc., it's very much worse to keep that on the road instead of a new hybrid petrol with a tiny fraction of the CO2 and none of the particulates/NOX etc.
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07/04/2021 10:13:43 2 3
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It's all very well to bleat on about going 'electric' but if you live in a city there are potentially very limited options for charging - especially if you don't have off-road parking available.
Anyway, according to the article the Lexus is the most likely large SUV to be owned, which is a self-charging hybrid - with lower emissions than many other 'family' cars.
Each to their own....
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07/04/2021 10:09:08 237 11
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Hehe. Good luck with that one. They always seem to be the worst drivers.
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07/04/2021 10:13:49 34 3
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I have two big craters in my tailgate where someone with bull bars got too close in the supermarket car park. They can't handle them.
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07/04/2021 10:12:43 584 82
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Yes but the ‘yummy’ mummies have got to have their lorries to collect little Tarquin from the local school that’s ten yards away from their home.
Really this is about one-upmanship, someone on their street has a 4x4 so others have to get a bigger one. I frequently see these juggernauts in my area, usually frequented by one or, at most, two people. It’s UTTERLY ridiculous these entitled twerps.
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07/04/2021 10:13:58 199 464
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Politics of envy?
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07/04/2021 10:16:10 115 16
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Nope, the politics of stupidity.
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07/04/2021 10:20:11 35 12
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What is that? Please explain clearly and concisely so people can understand.
Somehow though..........
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07/04/2021 10:25:56 37 4
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Maybe, but there's more than a little truth in it too
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07/04/2021 10:27:45 52 5
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More like politics of common sense?
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NSR
07/04/2021 10:28:17 90 17
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Looks like we found a Chelsea tractor owner...
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07/04/2021 10:28:19 68 15
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It does make me wonder when I see people driving their kids around in these things if they realise that it is their children's and grand children's future they are destroying..........oh hang on, they probably do..... just too selfish to care, the same kind of idiots who walk down the road drinking coffee (what's all that about?)
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07/04/2021 10:29:29 79 6
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If it was a Ferrari then maybe, but who on earth is jealous of a SUV...
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07/04/2021 10:44:41 19 8
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As opposed to the politics of privilege ? Yes, every time.
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07/04/2021 10:47:16 36 10
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Politics of selfish inconsiderate people. Driving a large SUV in an urban area is pretty much just advertising your selfishness and stupidity to all around you.
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07/04/2021 10:59:01 5 7
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The sort that Johnson encourages?
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07/04/2021 10:59:44 9 1
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no
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07/04/2021 11:05:34 8 0
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Not really, my wife and sister in law let a car out from a school some while ago only for it to turn into a close not 100m down the road
632
07/04/2021 11:10:36 7 2
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Politics of an even greater social and financial divide during austerity and the Pandemic.
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07/04/2021 11:14:43 3 2
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Politics of FACT
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SJ
07/04/2021 11:42:59 2 2
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Politics of environment.
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07/04/2021 11:43:12 2 2
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Sounds to me more like the Politics of Fact and Common sense.I personally could easily afford such a vehicle but it would be impractical.I pay £20 road tax for my town car so no envy from me
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07/04/2021 12:00:55 1 4
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I'm not sure there is actually such a thing as 'politics of envy'. It's really politics of jealousy, ie 'haves' determined to hang on to what they have.
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07/04/2021 10:14:05 170 15
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I've been saying this for years. How did owning an oversized, lumbering hulk become desirable, a thing of envy? Why was the tax regime based on engine emissions scrapped? It was a better system than its replacement. Drive a highly polluting bragmobile and pay for the privilege.
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07/04/2021 10:44:03 69 15
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Yes, but our governments never make the tax high enough to actually put off the well-heeled - because that would also mean companies like Jaguar Land Rover would lose revenue, and we can't have that can we? There's no imagination or desire for companies that feed consumer greed to redirect their products /and/ keep a healthy workforce.
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07/04/2021 10:57:38 1 4
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I'm sure you have.
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07/04/2021 10:59:27 2 2
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Two words... Range Rover.
07/04/2021 14:34:37 0 1
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You’re ignoring the plug in hybrids and fully electric vehicles who’s emissions are extremely low, so what’s you’re other reason?
07/04/2021 15:08:10 1 1
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Estate cars have always been desirable for families

They were unaffordable to most but now no one actually buys a car, they are just leased, suddenly people can. They choose to have these raised up estate cars for the same reasons that estates are useful + the added visibility improvement

Some may buy to brag but 4 a lot space is in demand with child seat laws and more stuff that we all have etc
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07/04/2021 10:06:56 376 34
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If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV….

They take up so much space, particularly when parking, Pollute much more and barely fit down some roads. Seriously what is the point of them in cities, and if your only response is “for my children” I’d say make the little porkies walk for a change, it’s not like they are far away from much in a city.
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07/04/2021 10:14:13 185 19
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SUVs have no more interior space than the equivalent estate or hatch, usually it is raised suspension/ride height and flared arches that differentiate them from their similar floor plan normal cars.
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DJ
07/04/2021 10:51:19 8 0
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Usually far less practical load ability than even a hatch-based estate like a Focus.
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07/04/2021 11:16:35 3 0
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And...? Unless you're intent on playing a game of badminton inside the vehicle, the 'extra space' is irrelevant. You'll find that most modern cars have more than adequate space inside, without their external dimensions taking up both sides of the road, and 1.5 parking spaces.
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Jim
07/04/2021 11:24:12 3 1
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Agreed, I'd rather a 5 series estate than X5 same can be said for any manufacturer really.
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Bob
07/04/2021 11:54:39 1 2
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Yes they do. And the article shows that.

You appear to be confused with 'crossover' vehicles that are SUV in looks but hatchback/saloon under the skin.
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07/04/2021 11:55:36 1 0
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And increased tipability.
07/04/2021 17:37:30 1 0
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And, Lylabean, that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
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07/04/2021 10:07:36 6 6
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Best ever bumper sticker on a classic mini

"Sell my mini? I'd rather shove wasps up my ****"
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07/04/2021 10:11:56 3 1
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Truly hilarious.................................
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07/04/2021 10:12:15 145 28
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The worst drivers, with the worst attitude towards mankind.
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07/04/2021 10:33:10 120 6
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Women have to get their children to school at the end of the road you know. What are you expecting them to walk ? lol
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07/04/2021 10:54:23 2 1
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Bit of a generalisation there. The same could (and is) said about Audi & BMW drivers being the worst and most inconsiderate drivers, and that isn't true for all either.

I agree that it is pointless having a huge 4x4 if you live in a city, but what about people like me who live in the Peak District?
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07/04/2021 10:57:12 3 2
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Nope, thats bus drivers.
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07/04/2021 11:00:06 2 4
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And of course you know all SUV drivers personally, don't you?
08/04/2021 08:29:12 0 0
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You're thinking of cabbies
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07/04/2021 10:14:30 7 3
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SUVirus
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07/04/2021 10:06:56 376 34
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If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV….

They take up so much space, particularly when parking, Pollute much more and barely fit down some roads. Seriously what is the point of them in cities, and if your only response is “for my children” I’d say make the little porkies walk for a change, it’s not like they are far away from much in a city.
Man, I bet you're a right old raucous laugh at parties. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:28:03 15 4
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Well the parties I go to tend not to discuss the benefits of SUVs in the cities but I guess my parties aren't as fun as yours are
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07/04/2021 10:14:49 17 6
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I don't think all SUVs should be tarred with the same brush. A 4 litre V8 BMW X5 or similar is a completely different beast to a 1.6 litre Nissan Qashqai or Renault Kadjar when it comes to emissions.
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07/04/2021 11:35:21 3 0
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That’s because the smaller ones are crossovers, slightly jacked up hatchbacks. It’s the full size trucks that are the issue. Fine in the US or Russia where the roads are huge, but here in little old Blighty, they’re ridiculous.

Wait till fuel really goes up, then you’ll see them disappear off the urban roads.
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07/04/2021 10:14:51 4 3
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In the wonderful film "Personal Services", the mean character uses a 4-letter acronym:

BCSD

Big car, small.......
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07/04/2021 10:21:39 0 0
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main character, not mean.
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07/04/2021 10:22:16 0 0
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Big car , superior .......
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07/04/2021 10:08:53 3 4
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The only way to prevent this is by taxation. Given the choice between a medium sized car and a large car, safety-conscious drivers will always pick the large one, because the kinematics of crashes teaches us that the large car ploughs on while the small car takes the brunt of the damage.
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07/04/2021 10:14:57 2 4
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So - require a special licence (requiring 100,000 miles or 10 years driving without acquiring any traffic or parking convictions, or a current PSV or HGV qualification) to drive any vehicle weighing over 1 ton fully laden.
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07/04/2021 10:12:43 584 82
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Yes but the ‘yummy’ mummies have got to have their lorries to collect little Tarquin from the local school that’s ten yards away from their home.
Really this is about one-upmanship, someone on their street has a 4x4 so others have to get a bigger one. I frequently see these juggernauts in my area, usually frequented by one or, at most, two people. It’s UTTERLY ridiculous these entitled twerps.
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07/04/2021 10:15:06 91 4
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It's not just yummy mummies. Plenty of agressively driven Kia 4x4s with grumpy working class mums delivering to the schools round my way.
Your right, the pikes can now afford second hand ones too. Removed
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07/04/2021 10:07:48 11 3
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Do you mean 'road' tax, which is much more expensive if you have a big engined vehicle - which SUVs tend to be?
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07/04/2021 10:15:17 2 1
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No it's not. The first year the hulk is highly taxed, then we all pay the same.
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07/04/2021 10:15:24 98 12
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Too many people buying something as a status symbol rather than a vehicle to get them from A to B.
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07/04/2021 10:26:18 24 63
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True, but don't forget that some people like well made objects over average quality. That could be mis-perceived by those on the outside looking in.
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07/04/2021 11:00:09 2 1
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It is an insecurity symbol. Proper posh people usually drive basic cars but spend a lot of time on their gardens!
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07/04/2021 11:17:38 0 2
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- most people who buy an SUV do so because they can. It may not truly fit any of their needs, but it fulfills their wants. So - much the same as everyone and everything then...
07/04/2021 17:50:32 4 0
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And that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing!
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07/04/2021 10:15:25 106 10
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Most SUV drivers haven’t a clue about the size or their vehicle. They struggle to park them and still don’t realise that there are indicators fitted to let other drivers and pedestrians know what they are “thinking” of doing.
If you don’t believe me watch what happens in any busy supermarket or shopping centre car park or watch then driving on a motorway.??
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07/04/2021 10:38:05 22 78
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More nonsense, modern cars have all round cameras so parking is a doddle
558
07/04/2021 11:02:57 8 0
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I thought indicators were there to tell everyone what you've done, not what you plan to do (joking...sort of!)
930
07/04/2021 11:51:31 0 2
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Don't these cars have automatic parking? My cheap new Citroen C4 parks itself, even tells me if the space is too small. Also slows down if I get too close to car in front, and stops me pulling out in front of another car. Maybe the owners just don't know how to play with all the SUV's gadgets?
07/04/2021 12:15:18 2 0
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They don't struggle to park them. They just use 2 spaces. If in the rare event they happen to get a ticket they just "pay the man" or get "Lou Pole" to get them of the charge.
08/04/2021 07:47:26 0 0
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Ah you're thinking of BMW and Audi drivers. They are the worst for not indicating.
08/04/2021 15:41:47 0 0
bbc
Most SUVs have no larger footprint than a typical family car. A Nissan Qashqai for example has an almost identical footprint to a Ford Focus, and a Lexus NX300 has a smaller footprint than a 5 series BMW. They are taller and boxier yes, but that doesn't translate to 'taking up more space' on the roads.
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07/04/2021 10:06:56 376 34
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If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV….

They take up so much space, particularly when parking, Pollute much more and barely fit down some roads. Seriously what is the point of them in cities, and if your only response is “for my children” I’d say make the little porkies walk for a change, it’s not like they are far away from much in a city.
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07/04/2021 10:15:41 36 3
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...make the little porkies walk... Brilliant :)
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07/04/2021 10:16:05 30 1
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It's clear that this report was anti-SUV from the outset but, in fairness, it does make the point that it should be "horses for courses". Where I live they're essential and the norm (rural Aberdeenshire) although I resist taking mine into the city.

Why? Because it has the turning circle of a supertanker (true AWD) and barely fits into parking spaces. Common sense really.
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07/04/2021 10:16:07 25 12
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Nobody in the UK needs an SUV. City or countryside.

They take up almost the whole width of most narrow country lanes.

They are a status symbol, not a necessity.

You don’t need an SUV to pick your kids up from school, you will almost never use it off-road except maybe in a muddy field at a farmers market.
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07/04/2021 10:22:13 20 12
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Says someone who by the sound of it has never lived in the countryside, has never had to deal with floods, snow, mud!
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Ed
07/04/2021 10:36:13 8 1
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I used to use mine daily pre covid.

I worked as a river keeper and my 4x4 was a necessity.
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07/04/2021 11:05:45 6 7
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Mind your own business. It is not for you to decide what vehicles people need. I am sick of know-all commentators who have no idea what they are talking about telling everyone else how to live their lives.
07/04/2021 12:17:10 4 4
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And of course it never snows where you live? Trust me, in the first 3 months of this year, I could have made a fortune pulling little roller skates out of snow drifts or getting them to the top of a hill.

Post your registration number, please, and I'll make sure I ignore you. Oh wait, you don't have a car do you?
07/04/2021 12:41:22 1 2
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Nobody needs a washing machine. You can clean your kids’ clothes adequately with a washboard and mangle. I wonder what you use?
08/04/2021 15:56:17 0 0
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Actually most SUVs you are likely to encounter don't have larger footprints than a typical family car. The body of a Nissan Qashqai for example (the best selling SUV in the UK) is actually 19mm narrower than that of a Ford Focus.
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07/04/2021 10:13:58 199 464
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Politics of envy?
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07/04/2021 10:16:10 115 16
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Nope, the politics of stupidity.
580
07/04/2021 11:05:11 4 8
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Nah, envy, pure and simple.
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07/04/2021 10:16:20 9 8
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Jaguar and Land Rover are doing more than most to combat pollution and commit to cleaner cars.

Rather than attack our own manufacturers, how about taxing the German imported cars that flaunt the rules and emission readings?
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07/04/2021 10:16:26 4 2
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The people who buy SUV's are presumably only doing so because they can't afford a proper full fat 4x4 Range Rover type car.

Neither is remotely practical for urban use especially if you only have 'on road' parking.

Which hasn't stopped cities and towns being clogged up by these over sized status symbols and this latest plea will do nothing to change that.
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07/04/2021 10:05:50 395 26
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The peer pressure to drive a Chelsea Tractor is too great for many of these consumers. If only they could learn how to drive and park them!
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xlr
07/04/2021 10:16:43 32 1
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The last parking space left is always a strip between two big SUVs that only a motorbike could fit into.
47
07/04/2021 10:13:37 3 13
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Yet again self appointed experts tell us how we should live.
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07/04/2021 10:16:43 2 0
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Oh the irony??????
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 96 12
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cars are getting larger but car parking bays remain the same size , thats a real problem not the envy of the small car owner
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07/04/2021 10:41:10 100 6
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More importantly - Roads are not getting any larger & its impossible to pass these behemoth's even in a small car on many of our Victorian / turn of the century streets & country roads. Car tax should reflect weight & width of road used too. They were deigned as autobahn panzers not the uk network.
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Pip
07/04/2021 10:51:08 5 0
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Oh, I see, larger spaces for bigger cars. You should be removed..........?
08/04/2021 07:20:12 0 0
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Cars may be getting larger but should we be encouraging it? SUVs serve no practical purpose and do much harm - they are only a money making ploy for the car makers. Just tweak the tax system so they are unprofitable to build.
47
07/04/2021 10:13:37 3 13
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Yet again self appointed experts tell us how we should live.
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 1 0
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So how should YOU live ? Would you be proud to think of yourself as a polluter ?
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07/04/2021 10:12:16 129 20
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It is all about the status symbol, look at me, I am better than you, I now feel better about myself.

Suggests a severe personal insecurity. Like the mid life crisis family mans 2 seater.
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 76 8
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I think it's also nervous drivers who feel safe and want to be able to shove other cars out of the way, which is why many of the school mums have them.
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07/04/2021 10:16:48 3 3
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There is a good reason and a real reason for doing or buying anything.

Cars: good reasons - space, economy, entertainment system etc, REAL reason - vanity, school gate/front drive credibility etc.

As for so-called SUVs: they certainly nothing "sports" about most of them. They are just pretend SUV jacked-up saloon cars.
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SF
07/04/2021 10:17:06 2 3
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Disneyland does not allow cars, free transport is included in the entry fee.
Allow free transport on buses and tubes within the circle line and put the cost on the
rates.
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07/04/2021 10:30:52 0 0
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London = New Disneyland?

I know they have a lot of Mickey Mouse ideas down there but...
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07/04/2021 10:09:44 4 3
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Yes but much higher than now.
Removed
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07/04/2021 10:14:00 6 8
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What idiot needs such a big car? No-one really cares that you can afford one, stop being so shallow and grow up
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07/04/2021 10:18:55 2 2
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To put your family and other things into?
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07/04/2021 10:09:23 67 2
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Surely it is not difficult to distinguish between big 4-wheel drives like Range Rovers and SUV look-alikes like Jules & C4 Cactuses. Unfortunately the big ones have become luxury staus symbols rather than utilitarian vehicles like the Landrover.
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07/04/2021 10:14:33 32 2
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Have you seen the cost of the new Landrover
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07/04/2021 10:32:19 0 4
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No but I have seen the price of the new Land Rover (Defender).
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07/04/2021 10:34:36 13 3
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Dont worry new Land rovers are the least reliable cars on the road. But these dumb people will buy anything to show off at the school gate.
AC
07/04/2021 15:59:49 1 0
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If you have to 'Ask The Price then you cannot Afford It' !!!!
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07/04/2021 10:12:36 5 4
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A small car is useless for me, as I struggle to get in and out.
Removed
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07/04/2021 10:17:12 2 3
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Unless you change the tax treatment, you wont change the behaviours end of.
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07/04/2021 10:06:56 376 34
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If you live and work in the centre of a city then you don’t need an SUV….

They take up so much space, particularly when parking, Pollute much more and barely fit down some roads. Seriously what is the point of them in cities, and if your only response is “for my children” I’d say make the little porkies walk for a change, it’s not like they are far away from much in a city.
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xlr
07/04/2021 10:17:16 40 4
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The bigger the car the fatter the kids, usually.
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LH
07/04/2021 11:58:37 0 1
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... the smaller the pen-is!!!!
But, it's still mightier than the sword!!!!¡
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07/04/2021 10:17:18 62 17
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People that just suggest taxing these cars miss a huge point, and that is for those that actually require these vehicles, people who live in rural areas.. I remember not so long ago when 4x4s were taxed massively 'because who needs them', and when the snows came in rural areas the politicians were asking people with 4x4's if they could help get nurses to hospital!
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07/04/2021 10:24:40 78 11
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Many SUVs aren't even 4 wheel drive, they are just pointless status symbols
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07/04/2021 10:28:48 6 3
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So just ban vehicle ownership in cities and use public transport/taxis/bike/walk? For the odd occasion that a vehicle is needed then hire one from a neighbourhood scheme
247
07/04/2021 10:33:38 8 0
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How many SUV drivers live in remote homes with an unmade driveway?
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07/04/2021 10:46:17 4 8
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Yep, I often hear snide comments from some of my neighbours because I use a pick up truck - "who needs one of those in West London" etc
However, after a heavy frost or a rare fall of snow the mood changes - all of a sudden I'm their best mate being asked if they could beg the help of me & my useless/evil 4x4 to tow them up the steep & typically ungritted hill from our car park to the main road
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07/04/2021 10:55:48 6 1
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The best way to tax emissions is at the petrol pump. Yet this government has frozen fuel duties for a decade! Now these cars are often hybrid or electric, so that boat has sailed anyway (the hybrid's small electric motor still being fine for the 90% of use in cities these cars get, if the owner bothers to charge it). Cities need to be able to set local taxes on dirty fuels.
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DJ
07/04/2021 10:58:56 4 0
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No good without winter tyres. I hauled out many SUVs from the ditches of Buckinghamshire in the snows of 2010-2012.
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07/04/2021 11:37:59 2 0
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Most of these models were never intended to be used off-road, and are no more capable in bad conditions than any other vehicle. Real farmers wouldn't be seen dead in them. But they are just as unsuitable for narrow country lanes as for narrow city streets.
07/04/2021 17:53:29 0 0
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And their need, in urban situations is?
Pray, do tell us!
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07/04/2021 10:08:40 136 11
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These people seem oblivious to what most people think of them.
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07/04/2021 10:17:30 64 99
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No. it's not a case of being oblivious, it's simply that we don't care.
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07/04/2021 10:36:42 19 1
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Us grown ups know that.
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07/04/2021 10:39:58 23 4
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You do care and very desperately about it along with all aspects of your ego and projected image. So tell me about your childhood..........
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Pip
07/04/2021 10:49:07 18 1
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Oh, I think you do, or why bother commenting..........?
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07/04/2021 10:55:31 7 5
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Get a Tesla and we might think you are cool. But in your big SUV most people just think 'gammon'.
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07/04/2021 11:01:31 3 1
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hahaha.
sarcasm huh?
07/04/2021 17:40:46 0 1
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And that they act as a penis extension for many of the owners - just like the owners of BMWs etc, that can do over 150mph. It's a compensation thing - and quite pitiful, really...
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07/04/2021 10:17:36 4 6
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While i agree that SUV's are completely unsuitable for cities, i find it amusing how a lot of HR comments on here are judging and making assumptions about these people, making derogatory comments about ppl they dont know.

Like half of you wouldn't buy a nice SUV if you had the chance. The other half likely have a BMW X3 or RAV4 sitting on their drive right now.

Downvote me - i really don't care.
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07/04/2021 10:49:39 0 0
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Oh the irony.
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07/04/2021 10:17:37 198 7
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One of the reasons they are so popular is the high driving position. The problem is that it is the presence of so many SUVs on the road that makes this high driving position so popular. If you approach a roundabout in the inside lane of a dual carriageway, in a normal car, and an SUV is outside you, you cannot see anything. It becomes a self-fulfilling cycle.
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07/04/2021 11:02:27 129 13
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Exactly what I was going to say... SUVs unnecessarily restrict the view of other drivers. Yet another reason why they're dangerous.
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07/04/2021 11:39:40 1 3
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Good point but there are many higher vehicles - the "popemobile people carriers" (all glass and squarish) are just as high but get less attention than SUVs
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Bob
07/04/2021 12:00:40 6 11
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And if a van or lorry pulls up alongside you *really* can't see diddly. Shall we get rid of those too?
07/04/2021 15:00:45 1 5
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Finally, a sensible comment.

The problem in city centres is that you're not just competing with cars, but vans and busses as well. Driving around a city centre in an old fashioned mini must be anything from annoyingly difficult to terrifying.

You are stuck in an arms race for visibility.

SUVs are useful as family cars too, they are just raised up estate cars, that's how to think of them.
08/04/2021 12:51:06 0 0
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That's why I'm keen to get by them on my motorbike. They don't like that.........., I've noticed.
08/04/2021 17:00:34 0 0
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How about busses they restrict the view in similar circumstances even more so let's ban those first, then all trucks followed by vans. Truly an argument that has absolutely no logic whatsoever.
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07/04/2021 10:17:38 4 1
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Maybe there could be a car width aspect to road tax, as that's the primary issue I have with SUVs in London, where many of the roads, once you factor in on-street parking, are very narrow. Normal cars are fine, you can get past them, but the SUVs are a pain. Never mind most London drivers only use them for the school run and weekly shopping!
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07/04/2021 10:34:04 1 0
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Also a lot of drivers simply won't listen to the environmental argument, especially when the advertising for the crossover SUVs are often suggesting they are decent for the environment (maybe compared to a ten year old full SUV, but compared to a modern smaller car?).
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07/04/2021 10:11:29 25 13
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An SUV is really just a penis extension.

It's just showing off.
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07/04/2021 10:17:39 13 0
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A struggle if your female ??
183
07/04/2021 10:28:08 0 2
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Vagina extension? Wait, no, that wouldn't work.
422
07/04/2021 10:50:02 2 0
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Breast enhancement??????????????
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07/04/2021 10:17:41 2 1
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SUVs that are polluting are already very heavily taxed;I wouldn't own a car at all in city centre, but then again I wouldn't live in city centre either...

it isn't quite as simple as city centre "bans" or "tax"; for those who do regular long journeys (>300 miles so electric is out) for whole family need decent car and having separate (electric) car for short journeys and one not isn't sustainable
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07/04/2021 10:23:34 0 0
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Faster charing points are what's needed.

Most motoring safety advice is to take breaks after each 2 hour driving session. Assuming that's all done at 70 mph, the maximum distance safely travelled would be 140 miles. Stop, recharge both yourself and the battery and then on you go.

A lot safer than the marathon 7hr stints from London to the Scottish borders as well.
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07/04/2021 10:28:58 0 0
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It's less city-centre, than the miles and miles of surburban sprawl around the cities, especially London. Most people don't do regular 300 mile journeys, especially without breaks. A lot of people buy a car for 'what if' scenarios that don't come true, or imagine charging setups from a decade ago based on old Top Gear episodes.
1
07/04/2021 10:05:50 395 26
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The peer pressure to drive a Chelsea Tractor is too great for many of these consumers. If only they could learn how to drive and park them!
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07/04/2021 10:17:50 39 2
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If only we could upload a photo. SUV driver not only hit a bollard in our Waitrose car park but managed to uproot it from the ground and all the adjacent paved pathway. He drew quite an audience, pointing out he was in a parent and child space but lacked a child, his eyesight was in question, he didn't know how to reverse park or know length of vehicle. Perhaps he'll shop elsewhere in future.
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07/04/2021 10:50:10 5 10
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So based on your experience of ONE driver of ONE SUV you tar us all with the same brush - thanks!

On that basis, then,m drivers of small saloons all drive extremely fast regardless of conditions, never signal, pull out in front of oncoming traffic and park anywhere they like "just for a couple of minutes." Is that fair? I have seen examples of all that and more.
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LH
07/04/2021 11:47:12 1 0
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There are lots of SUVs at Lidl, too!
07/04/2021 16:49:21 0 0
bbc
Wholefoods I guess?
41
07/04/2021 10:12:36 5 4
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A small car is useless for me, as I struggle to get in and out.
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07/04/2021 10:18:05 0 0
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Depends on what you mean by small or big cars. My mother-in-law struggled to CLIMB into a Range Rover.
41
07/04/2021 10:12:36 5 4
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A small car is useless for me, as I struggle to get in and out.
93
07/04/2021 10:18:10 1 0
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I'm 6'4 and comfortably drive a fiesta as my daily runabout.

How big are you?
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07/04/2021 10:18:11 4 2
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City drivers 'should think twice' before buying SUVs
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The only thought that goes into buying one of these is which model to choose.
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07/04/2021 10:18:12 10 2
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The best thing to buy is an old London diesel Taxi...you get the extra bus-lanes to drive on to beat the traffic.
And they run on old chip fat + the fumes make passers-by hungry and smelly!
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07/04/2021 10:47:12 2 0
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Hansom Cab with Steptoe's Hercules worth considering - how much greener could you get? moves faster than Central London traffic - Hyde Park, Regents Park, Parliament Square refueling points everywhere - seen signs "It is offence to allow your dog to foul the pavement" - but nothing about horse.
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07/04/2021 10:18:20 39 7
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I think we need to muster a lot of counter peer-pressure to inoculate people from the glossy lure of the adverts. No it does not make you look cool or affluent, it makes you look like a selfish idiot with poor taste and a silly car
You can’t see us as we’re too elevated but you will feel our phlegm as we gob on you from on high. #spitatthepoor Removed
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07/04/2021 10:13:15 5 6
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Link an SUV tax to the value of their home.

1% per annum on their £700k London home, perhaps.
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07/04/2021 10:18:24 5 0
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£700k in Chelsea and Fulham?

Do they live in a shed?
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07/04/2021 10:12:40 3 5
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While I like the look of the SUVs I could never justify one... Saying that we need to be careful when talking about pollution . An SUV or any other large car that does few miles a year is overall less polluting than a small car hybrid/electric that is used a lot. Let's not end up in the same trap again. Using car less and only when need to is key..
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07/04/2021 10:18:31 1 1
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What about the carbon footprint of the SUV manufacture compared to a small car?
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07/04/2021 10:10:59 6 5
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If we only drove 'appropriate' vehicles, virtually every car out there would be a hatchback. There would many many more 2 seater Smartcar type vehicles too. Luckily we don't live in some Communist hell and can choose what to drive.

Saying that, SUVs are completely unnecessary, usually driven by people who think more metal = more protection when they crash.
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07/04/2021 10:18:32 1 2
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Another who struggles with comprehension skills and uses inappropriate words to show their ignorance.
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07/04/2021 10:09:28 236 12
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This is an example of where undesirable consumerism influences are effective: others are pressured into getting bigger and supposedly better vehicles they don’t need by making them think their life is incomplete until they’ve got one, and/or to keep up with others. The same applies for any other popular consumer product in society.
100
07/04/2021 10:18:49 258 2
bbc
£200 trainers are in the same bracket. Those who buy them never even break into a trot.
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07/04/2021 10:28:14 20 1
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Applies to airhead fashion generally.
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07/04/2021 10:38:18 12 1
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...and when they do, the soles part company with the uppers. You try to complain, and no-one listens...
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DJ
07/04/2021 10:55:33 9 2
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Reminds me of a trio of ‘ladies who train’ I saw easing out of an open-top Merc, as they gaily strolled to their top-class gym. They could have walked or jogged there in half the time.
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07/04/2021 10:50:20 7 2
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I get decades out of my £400 high quality English made shoes. Thinking of which, the over complex big SUVs are not very reliable and don't hold their value well because nobody wants an old one and all the problems they come with.
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07/04/2021 10:59:06 7 1
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And a newer better(?) mobile every 3 months or so!
07/04/2021 13:16:05 2 0
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In the same way that the least important thing a luxury watch does is tell the time, the least important thing a pair of Yeezy Boost 700s do is train...

(That's what your smartphone and £50-£70 Nikes/Asics are for)