Unions criticise 'miserly' 50p rise in statutory sick pay
06/04/2021 | news | business | 924
SSP increases from £95.85 to £96.35 a week in April, but unions say it is too little to live on.
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06/04/2021 09:22:17 165 88
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If the unions are so upset, why don't they use their members subscriptions to top up members sick pay from their own funds?
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06/04/2021 09:28:38 106 70
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Yes, excellent idea. Many countries have mutual organisations into which members contribute monthly to cover illness. Why don’t unions actually do something positive and useful for once rather than moaning and complaining and expect others i.e.the taxpayer to provide everything.
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06/04/2021 09:30:09 21 31
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absolutely correct
It's always other peoples' money with them, usually mine.
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06/04/2021 09:46:40 27 9
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They've already paid their taxes. You're suggesting they pay twice for something the government should provide. Aren't you proud of the welfare State or is it only when it suits you?
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06/04/2021 09:59:09 6 13
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Spot on
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06/04/2021 10:02:57 1 1
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Perhaps they could use you!
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06/04/2021 10:05:26 9 4
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Why?

That's one of the reasons why we pay taxes to government - to provide a safety net when we're sick. Why should union subs be used?
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06/04/2021 10:05:48 10 4
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Why do the ultra rich keep getting richer. Oh yes of course, it's because the Cons look after the ultra rich who could easily pay more tax to help the poor. Instead the Con government ,under Cameron, dropped the ultra rich tax of 50p down to 40p making the ultra rich, with a Con stroke, even richer. And you wonder why we need unions.Con governments have only ever looked after the rich.
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06/04/2021 10:20:35 3 1
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They feel they're doing their bit by funding the Labour party instead, just like businesses fund the Tories. I'd ban them them both for doing so.
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06/04/2021 10:21:42 4 1
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Boots for breakfast, lunch and dinner eh?
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06/04/2021 10:33:15 4 3
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Stupid comment.
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06/04/2021 11:10:00 2 3
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That would mean cutting their own inflated salaries
As workers choose to pay Trades Union subscriptions, all of us can choose what to do with our own money.
If you were investing in a Pension Plan would you choose to have your money invested in a "Blue Chip" company like BP or BT who have highly unionised workforces? Or would you prefer a company with a non-union workforce like Deliveroo?
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06/04/2021 09:23:16 26 34
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£31 Billion to replace Trident with American nukes.

Precious little for nurses and statutory sick pay.

That's the Conservatives.
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06/04/2021 09:25:21 12 9
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31 billion? It will actually cost 100 billion plus
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06/04/2021 09:38:28 2 5
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Look at the downvotes.. why does this comment get voted down?
The tories are ripping us off daily but as soon as unions ask for extra money for those who need it, Britains electorate has a hissy fit and demonize the unions and sick people..
What have we become?!!
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06/04/2021 11:55:10 0 0
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The nurses will also be protected by our nukes.
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06/04/2021 09:23:50 108 70
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Unions - were a wonderful thing many, many years ago. Now totally obsolete - as witnessed by the 1000's who no longer wish to join one.....
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06/04/2021 09:26:49 81 58
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Not true. Many employers actually restrict workers joining unions.
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06/04/2021 09:28:26 26 13
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Or... as witnessed by the endless complaints, not least on HYS over the years, from people who haven't had a pay rise for ten years , have to work endless unpaid overtime and find themselves being disciplined if they happen to become sick. Yes, we certainly don't need unions now, do we? Plonker!

As for people not joining one - something to do with the press endlessly demonising them, perhaps.
And 6.5 million UK workers have CHOSEN to join a Trades Union. Why choose to join a Union? Is it a coincidence Trades Union members tend to be better paid and in more secure jobs?
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06/04/2021 10:12:01 14 9
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Many years go, the power of the unions brought this country to its knees. Their leaders didn't care about their members, only their own political clout. I know, I was brought out on strike in 1979. It was never made official, so the union didn't have to hand out strike pay. We had to depend on our savings to survive, which soon evaporated over time. Being a union member didn't do me any good.
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06/04/2021 10:14:53 9 6
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Have you seen the fees for unions now - if you get paid £300 per week why would you spend £5 of that per week on union subs? Most likely the union will do nothing for you except pay the chief execs huge pay/pensions and bonuses. Overpriced waste of time
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06/04/2021 10:49:10 2 9
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In my experience, the main reason people decide against joining one, is because their employers will start treating them worse, to make an example of them and stop others finding it worthwhile.
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06/04/2021 11:15:39 4 3
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That`s why everybody is working for a pittance these days, because Unions are in decline because of a ferocious attack by the Tories. If the Unions are weak, then so are the workers. Britain is becoming a cheap labour country, and going back to the Victorian age for working conditions.
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06/04/2021 12:30:03 1 0
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Don't be daft. Unions will always be necessary, but it doesn't mean they don't need to change. Employers and unions on the whole tend to reflect each other, be hostile and aggressive, expect the same in return, of course there are always exceptions...
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06/04/2021 12:47:48 1 0
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Being in a union is pointless for minimum wage. It costs around 2 hours of your working life just to pay the monthly fee.

Also pointless for people on zero hours, as the union can only help you when the employer acts illegally, not gives you less hours for whatever reason they like, which is legal.

And as both take up so many jobs now, you can see why so many people don't want to join unions.
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06/04/2021 12:56:00 2 0
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So you agree on zero hours contracts, funny how its working people offered zero contracts ,I bet management and tax dodging MP's would object strongly.
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06/04/2021 09:24:19 54 32
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Don't expect much sympathy from the sort of people who stigmatise anyone on benefits or furlough as a scrounger.
Got to agree with you there, Strawcat! The HYS of these comments section is like a Tory conference party where its a race to who can demonise the poor/disabled the first Removed
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06/04/2021 09:35:06 7 15
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Don't expect pragmatism from the sort of people who stigmatise anyone who stigmatises anyone.
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06/04/2021 11:27:03 9 6
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Unfortunately the rabid right wingers are taking the country right down the plughole with their stupidity. It`s I am all right Jack with that lot, which unfortunately seem to be an increasingly brainwashed public. How can so many people be so stupid to still think this Government is doing a good job with 126,000 dead from Covid.
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06/04/2021 18:48:17 0 1
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The benefits system in this country has not helped the poor get better wages just kept the wages low. We need well paid well trained for jobs for the whole population not benefits
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06/04/2021 09:24:22 12 16
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If they're isolating it will only be for sub-2 weeks, so I imagine they'll be fine with their savings plus this free hundy a week.
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06/04/2021 09:29:41 15 12
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I think youre woefully out of touch with the amount of savings people have. People who need to self isolate and cannot work will be in low skilled/low paying jobs who do not have the means to save.

Calling it a 'free hundy' is disgusting and shows the real lack of class consciousness this comment section has
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06/04/2021 09:33:27 1 5
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What savings? It's been government policy for over a decade to maintain record low interest rates to actively discourage saving, and get people to spend instead. Combine this with the "buy now, pay later" culture instilled by businesses (with government's blessing), and you have a recipe for disaster whenever earnings drop.
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06/04/2021 09:24:32 162 68
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Sick pay isn't something to live off.

It's a temporary payment to tide you over for short term illness.
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06/04/2021 09:32:11 91 72
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topped up by your rainy day savings
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06/04/2021 09:40:30 50 17
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£96 a week is not enough to tide anyone over. One of the biggest problems in this pandemic has been that many people simply cannot afford to self isolate and so don't get a test when they have symptoms and continue going to work
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06/04/2021 10:45:32 29 17
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SSP was designed for people to live off, why has it only gone up 0.50p, this Tory back door bad news, designed news for a passport to dodge the SSP increase.
Ask the Tories where is £7.4 billion in unclaimed benefits has gone?
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06/04/2021 11:12:20 1 5
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And does it tide anyone over ?

Deeeeeeep . . . .
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06/04/2021 12:13:21 6 2
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it doesn't cover your costs, so it incentivises you to keep going and infect others. Brilliant
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06/04/2021 12:17:59 4 5
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Spot the comments from the out of touch Tory Bot Propaganda Army!!

It is an unfortunate fact that the vast majority of working people are just 2 wages away from being in deep financial trouble.

To be on only £85,000 PA puts you in top 5% of UK earners; most people earn between £15,000 to £40,000, with most on around £20,000.

SSP is paid for up to 28 weeks, which is particularly short-term!
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06/04/2021 12:29:08 3 1
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Some people are less fortunate and have to live off it.
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06/04/2021 12:34:41 4 1
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Are you sure. I caught Sepsis, spent 8 weeks in hospital and home, followed by a 3 week phased back to work period. Fortunatley I could afford this due to paid sick leave accrued due to time served. A collegue's husband was disabled, had the same, but little sick leave. He had to be back at worth within the week. It took him ages to recover and his work was limited. No one benefitted.
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06/04/2021 13:38:41 3 0
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My PIP award (which is not temporary) went up by 60p!
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06/04/2021 14:51:27 2 0
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We know that, tell us something we don't know. I would love to know how you could live off of £96 per week. For many people this wouldn't even cover the rent/mortgage or weekly shop, let alone Council tax, utilities etc.
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06/04/2021 09:23:16 26 34
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£31 Billion to replace Trident with American nukes.

Precious little for nurses and statutory sick pay.

That's the Conservatives.
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06/04/2021 09:25:21 12 9
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31 billion? It will actually cost 100 billion plus
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06/04/2021 09:26:01 12 11
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I just don't understand why we're not planting more money trees.
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06/04/2021 09:26:45 101 37
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Those with high paying jobs get furloughed but essential workers who have been sacrificed to keep us going are left with a laughable amount of compensation.

People who need SSP at this time will likely be in a low-paid job and NEED their wages to survive and they cannot do that with this package. If they cant survive on SSP then they will go into work and spread COVID. Simple.
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06/04/2021 09:37:46 85 65
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The low paid are eligible for a £500 paymen if they have to self isolate. Keep up with the facts and stop weaponising Covid for party political reasons.
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06/04/2021 09:46:01 0 9
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This must have happened already
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06/04/2021 12:16:57 13 0
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Then you get the out of touch who think you get £500 if you self-isolate. They don't care that 3/4 of applicants get nothing, let alone councils not having the money to give.
That's right wingers for you
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06/04/2021 09:26:46 146 61
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Maybe the unions could refund union dues to people who need help?
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06/04/2021 09:33:23 78 56
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Union "fat cats"

No hope and Bob hope
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06/04/2021 10:04:31 18 11
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Why should they?

People pay taxes to the government for a safety net if they fall ill - therefore, why should unions have to pay statutory sick pay?
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06/04/2021 10:14:54 12 3
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Perhaps all Employers who receive Tax Breaks because of SSP can give theirs to the Workforce when required, I get a Tax Break I employ 26 all are Union Members I do not need my Tax Break and it is donated towards the welfare of my workforce. It is derisory when you think Cummings got a wage rise of 180,000, Employers should also look after their workforce, Unions are needed against the bad ones!
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06/04/2021 12:01:58 4 0
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what about those not in a union.
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06/04/2021 12:54:44 7 1
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And people with National Trust membership can ask them to help out?
You really don't understand what you pay taxes for, do you?
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06/04/2021 17:54:18 0 0
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They do...
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06/04/2021 09:23:50 108 70
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Unions - were a wonderful thing many, many years ago. Now totally obsolete - as witnessed by the 1000's who no longer wish to join one.....
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06/04/2021 09:26:49 81 58
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Not true. Many employers actually restrict workers joining unions.
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06/04/2021 09:38:45 16 12
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They can't. It's illegal.
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06/04/2021 10:03:23 4 4
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Can you give some examples?
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06/04/2021 11:55:24 2 1
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That would be illegal. I'm sure the Unions would be screaming from the rooftops if that happened.
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06/04/2021 12:06:31 1 0
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Nobody can be stopped from joining a Union. However employers don't have to recognise a union in negotiations.
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06/04/2021 16:14:43 1 1
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No they don't. They can't. Why do you feel the need to promulgate lies without fact-checking?
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06/04/2021 09:27:33 23 20
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Unions always wanting something for nothing, it is not a benefit just a stop gap until you are well, no need to incentives sickness.
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06/04/2021 09:31:44 12 10
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No, but there is a need to incentivise self isolation, eejit.
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06/04/2021 09:37:06 5 4
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Nothing to do with giving "incentives" for sickness, it's about ensuring low-paid/temporary workers have enough money to cover bills while ill. Otherwise, they'll just keep working as long as they can stand up.

People should never be in financial fear or afraid of an employers reaction, to take needed time off recovering from an illness, particularly one that could be spread to others.
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06/04/2021 09:27:49 26 26
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Unions - otherwise known as the Business Prevention Society.
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06/04/2021 09:30:42 22 12
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Or perhaps the "holding greedy, incompetent management to account society."

No business can survive without a workforce. Many would do fine without all the endless "management" draining away resources.
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06/04/2021 09:23:50 108 70
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Unions - were a wonderful thing many, many years ago. Now totally obsolete - as witnessed by the 1000's who no longer wish to join one.....
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06/04/2021 09:28:26 26 13
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Or... as witnessed by the endless complaints, not least on HYS over the years, from people who haven't had a pay rise for ten years , have to work endless unpaid overtime and find themselves being disciplined if they happen to become sick. Yes, we certainly don't need unions now, do we? Plonker!

As for people not joining one - something to do with the press endlessly demonising them, perhaps.
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06/04/2021 09:55:19 16 17
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No, the likes of Red Robbo, Mick McGahey and Arthur Scargill did the job of demonising the unions in the eyes of the wider public. Many people wrongly credit the UK’s economic transformation from when we joined the EU. That is diabolical rubbish. We ceased being the sick man of Europe when the unions were stopped in their tracks by Mrs Thatcher and they no longer had the red carpet into No 10.
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06/04/2021 09:58:09 7 16
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If people don't like the terms they work under, they can always go elsewhere or start up in business themselves.
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06/04/2021 09:22:17 165 88
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If the unions are so upset, why don't they use their members subscriptions to top up members sick pay from their own funds?
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06/04/2021 09:28:38 106 70
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Yes, excellent idea. Many countries have mutual organisations into which members contribute monthly to cover illness. Why don’t unions actually do something positive and useful for once rather than moaning and complaining and expect others i.e.the taxpayer to provide everything.
"others i.e. the taxpayer"

Unions, i.e. groups of workers, are taxpayers.
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06/04/2021 09:34:40 38 17
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We have a mutual organisation into which members contribute. It's called the state. We pay taxes to ensure that people who are ill can still live with a measure of dignity.

That's what taxes are for; society. Not lining the pockets of party backers.
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06/04/2021 10:02:15 6 11
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In the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries, there were many small mutual building societies, burial clubs, and other financial schemes to provide things like this. Unfortunately they were superseded by corporate banks and insurance companies, and large politically motivated trade unions run by people like McCluskey.
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06/04/2021 10:04:15 11 1
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The Unions already pay towards the payment, they to are not exempt from Tax.
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06/04/2021 10:48:39 5 3
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"...Many countries have mutual organisations into which members contribute monthly to cover illness. "

They do in the UK, it's called n.ins contributions & income tax.
Maybe the unions should top up UK pensioners retirement pension - one of the lowest in W.Europe?
UK nurses got the cost of a gallon of fuel pw as a payrise while French nurses got an average of €183 pm?
Probably the union's fault?
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06/04/2021 11:51:38 3 0
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Why because they learnt the hard way under Thatcher. Once any dispute arose companies were able to sequerest any money the Unions had to offset their losses. This was bought in under Thatcher
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06/04/2021 12:54:01 2 0
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Unions do provide illness cover but unlike management they don't get tax relief or relief on national insurance.
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06/04/2021 09:28:42 20 20
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I'm sorry if I'm reading this wrong but 96 quid to ride you over for a couple of weeks seems ok to me.

It's hardly 'surviving' is it. It's only forna couple of weeks and if you're working anyway you'll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks.

Bit of sensationalist story about not much really and of course the Unions will jump on it....whilst collecting millions from said workers.
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06/04/2021 09:31:42 11 13
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I take it you don't pay for a mortgage, utilities, council tax etc
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06/04/2021 09:33:38 3 8
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'if youre working anyway youll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks'

A lot of low paid workers are living pay check to pay check. Ever thought that you use more heating/electric when at home? how do you pay for that? or childs costs?
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06/04/2021 09:38:18 1 9
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Yes, you're reading it wrong sickness isn't a choice, nobody should be financially disadvantaged because they are sick £96 is not enough to live on for 2 weeks especailly once you factor in child costs and bills, that's why furlough is 80% of peoples wages.
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06/04/2021 09:24:22 12 16
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If they're isolating it will only be for sub-2 weeks, so I imagine they'll be fine with their savings plus this free hundy a week.
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06/04/2021 09:29:41 15 12
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I think youre woefully out of touch with the amount of savings people have. People who need to self isolate and cannot work will be in low skilled/low paying jobs who do not have the means to save.

Calling it a 'free hundy' is disgusting and shows the real lack of class consciousness this comment section has
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06/04/2021 11:49:32 2 0
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If they haven't bothered to put aside a rainy-day fund why would they expect to dip into other people's pockets for money to tide them over?

Of course they can save - they can work longer hours or two jobs or learn to defer gratification. These people aren't disabled, they live in free-school, free-NHS UK where there is plenty of opportunity.
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06/04/2021 09:30:00 9 15
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Malingering pay is low because if you are truly sick you will literally not be doing anything except eating and sleeping

It should probably be abolished as it annoys everyone in payroll to death and companies mostly have acceptable company sick pay and the government pays 5% of it's workers to do nothing all the time too
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06/04/2021 09:34:58 4 7
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Fortunately you don’t need to pay rent/bills etc while you are ill. Oh wait..
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06/04/2021 09:41:59 0 1
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If your employer doesn’t continue to pay your wages while you are self isolating or off sick, and you earn just too much to qualify for tax credits, and you have no savings because you are just managing to pay your mortgage/rent, fuel bills, and feed your family, how can you survive on £96 a week? Stop heating your house? Have cold showers?Switch off the lights? Cancel your broadband?
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06/04/2021 09:48:13 0 1
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I work in payroll and yeah it's annoying to process but guess what, SSP is a safety net paid for by us. You can't abolish it just because it's a 'female dog' to process.
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06/04/2021 09:22:17 165 88
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If the unions are so upset, why don't they use their members subscriptions to top up members sick pay from their own funds?
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06/04/2021 09:30:09 21 31
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absolutely correct
It's always other peoples' money with them, usually mine.
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06/04/2021 09:46:20 14 2
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That is the problem right there, it isn't your money, as soon as you pay tax it ceases to be your money you're never getting it back so why complain, if people aren't looked after properly and have access to money they need to survive it then affects everybody either directly or indirectly, you need to see the bigger picture, the "it's my money" attitude is precisely why tax exists..to benefit all
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06/04/2021 09:27:49 26 26
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Unions - otherwise known as the Business Prevention Society.
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06/04/2021 09:30:42 22 12
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Or perhaps the "holding greedy, incompetent management to account society."

No business can survive without a workforce. Many would do fine without all the endless "management" draining away resources.
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06/04/2021 10:03:31 3 0
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Just like Red Robbo did all those years ago when he constantly held British Leyland to account and they produced rubbish. Most people who worked at their sites will tell you the fault did not lie with the management, but the unions who fought and eventually succeeded in grinding the company into the ground. The union bosses were fist thumping on their way out of the gates. Disgusting.
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06/04/2021 11:59:27 0 0
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Businesses can't survive without a workforce, true but in most organisations all the worker does is provide labour.

Management would have had the idea to start the business, obtain finance to start the business, form the organisation and ultimately take all of the risk.

The reality is that they don't drain the resources, just take what is due.
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06/04/2021 09:31:39 11 20
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Unions

who always accept the first corporate offer however "measly"
then advise workers to lump it

those Unions?
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06/04/2021 09:28:42 20 20
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I'm sorry if I'm reading this wrong but 96 quid to ride you over for a couple of weeks seems ok to me.

It's hardly 'surviving' is it. It's only forna couple of weeks and if you're working anyway you'll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks.

Bit of sensationalist story about not much really and of course the Unions will jump on it....whilst collecting millions from said workers.
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06/04/2021 09:31:42 11 13
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I take it you don't pay for a mortgage, utilities, council tax etc
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06/04/2021 09:39:16 9 3
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Yes. Pay for all of those. I have been ill in the recent past, paid my way.
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06/04/2021 12:04:55 1 0
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I pay all of those and don't expect that others should pay them for me. After all you didn't ask me when you took out your mortgage whether I was ok in paying it for you.
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06/04/2021 09:27:33 23 20
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Unions always wanting something for nothing, it is not a benefit just a stop gap until you are well, no need to incentives sickness.
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06/04/2021 09:31:44 12 10
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No, but there is a need to incentivise self isolation, eejit.
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06/04/2021 09:32:11 5 19
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Perhaps the people who were gloating about saving £1000 per month from WFH can contribute more instead of gloating about how much they have saved?

Do these people even think about what has happened over the last 12 months?

Maybe they need to look an ICU nurse in the eye and say "Hey look I'm swimming in money here.."
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06/04/2021 09:34:51 19 3
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ICU nurses are very well paid. And the article is about sick pay anyway
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06/04/2021 09:24:32 162 68
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Sick pay isn't something to live off.

It's a temporary payment to tide you over for short term illness.
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06/04/2021 09:32:11 91 72
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topped up by your rainy day savings
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06/04/2021 09:40:41 48 12
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There are many with no rainy day savings who live hand to mouth, only those on a decent income have the luxury of rainy day savings.
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06/04/2021 09:40:54 43 14
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What about the millions who don't have any rainy day savings?
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06/04/2021 11:09:25 20 5
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From your zero-hour job . . .
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06/04/2021 13:10:04 3 1
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You are a hardworking Russian troll
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06/04/2021 09:28:38 106 70
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Yes, excellent idea. Many countries have mutual organisations into which members contribute monthly to cover illness. Why don’t unions actually do something positive and useful for once rather than moaning and complaining and expect others i.e.the taxpayer to provide everything.
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06/04/2021 09:33:03 34 14
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"others i.e. the taxpayer"

Unions, i.e. groups of workers, are taxpayers.
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06/04/2021 09:33:21 40 29
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The unions couldn't be happier if we were all furloughed on 110% pay.
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06/04/2021 09:26:46 146 61
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Maybe the unions could refund union dues to people who need help?
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06/04/2021 09:33:23 78 56
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Union "fat cats"

No hope and Bob hope
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06/04/2021 10:10:27 11 1
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Please do not be so stupid and ignorant, the people are paying their dues to the Unions and the Unions already pay their dues back to the taxpayer in forms of Tax. I personally have 26 people employed they all can get SSP, I get a tax break because of this, surely that Tax break from Employers could go two pay Higher SSP. I do not need it and my employees are members of a Union.
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06/04/2021 13:10:17 5 1
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You are a hardworking Russian troll
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06/04/2021 09:24:22 12 16
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If they're isolating it will only be for sub-2 weeks, so I imagine they'll be fine with their savings plus this free hundy a week.
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06/04/2021 09:33:27 1 5
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What savings? It's been government policy for over a decade to maintain record low interest rates to actively discourage saving, and get people to spend instead. Combine this with the "buy now, pay later" culture instilled by businesses (with government's blessing), and you have a recipe for disaster whenever earnings drop.
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06/04/2021 11:50:59 2 0
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Rainy day savings are not related to interest rates, they are related to looking after yourself and standing on your own two feet, rather than numbly putting a flaccid hand out for freebies the whole time.
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06/04/2021 09:28:42 20 20
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I'm sorry if I'm reading this wrong but 96 quid to ride you over for a couple of weeks seems ok to me.

It's hardly 'surviving' is it. It's only forna couple of weeks and if you're working anyway you'll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks.

Bit of sensationalist story about not much really and of course the Unions will jump on it....whilst collecting millions from said workers.
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06/04/2021 09:33:38 3 8
bbc
'if youre working anyway youll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks'

A lot of low paid workers are living pay check to pay check. Ever thought that you use more heating/electric when at home? how do you pay for that? or childs costs?
174
06/04/2021 10:08:29 3 0
bbc
Yes, that's why you need to have some rainy day savings at least. As for children, thinking before you have them is certainly more than just a good idea!
31
06/04/2021 09:33:41 31 28
bbc
Left up to its usual tricks. Criticising everything and expecting more at other people's - taxpayer's - expense on sick pay. Same old same old - elsewhere on the same page Starker is apologising to the LBGT brigade, and Rachel Reed demanding crackdown n lobbyists. Don't recall them complaint when Blair, Mandelson and others traded off their Ministerial portfolios. So out of touch with voters views
32
06/04/2021 09:34:29 15 14
bbc
Unions are worthless unless your in the public sector. If you know your own employment rights, ditch them.
39
06/04/2021 09:36:12 17 12
bbc
What about when your employer wont give you your rights and you cant afford to leave the job or lawyer fees?
15
06/04/2021 09:28:38 106 70
bbc
Yes, excellent idea. Many countries have mutual organisations into which members contribute monthly to cover illness. Why don’t unions actually do something positive and useful for once rather than moaning and complaining and expect others i.e.the taxpayer to provide everything.
33
06/04/2021 09:34:40 38 17
bbc
We have a mutual organisation into which members contribute. It's called the state. We pay taxes to ensure that people who are ill can still live with a measure of dignity.

That's what taxes are for; society. Not lining the pockets of party backers.
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06/04/2021 09:44:28 22 21
bbc
You seem to be missing the point the poster raised and that’s we all accept that as members we contribute into a State sponsored sickness scheme, but should you or any other such union leader as McCluskey deem that it is insufficient then the unions should step in and support their worker as surely it is one of the main reasons for their existence? Your last sentence is political nonsense!
24
06/04/2021 09:32:11 5 19
bbc
Perhaps the people who were gloating about saving £1000 per month from WFH can contribute more instead of gloating about how much they have saved?

Do these people even think about what has happened over the last 12 months?

Maybe they need to look an ICU nurse in the eye and say "Hey look I'm swimming in money here.."
34
06/04/2021 09:34:51 19 3
bbc
ICU nurses are very well paid. And the article is about sick pay anyway
18
06/04/2021 09:30:00 9 15
bbc
Malingering pay is low because if you are truly sick you will literally not be doing anything except eating and sleeping

It should probably be abolished as it annoys everyone in payroll to death and companies mostly have acceptable company sick pay and the government pays 5% of it's workers to do nothing all the time too
35
06/04/2021 09:34:58 4 7
bbc
Fortunately you don’t need to pay rent/bills etc while you are ill. Oh wait..
4
06/04/2021 09:24:19 54 32
bbc
Don't expect much sympathy from the sort of people who stigmatise anyone on benefits or furlough as a scrounger.
36
bbc
Got to agree with you there, Strawcat! The HYS of these comments section is like a Tory conference party where its a race to who can demonise the poor/disabled the first Removed
4
06/04/2021 09:24:19 54 32
bbc
Don't expect much sympathy from the sort of people who stigmatise anyone on benefits or furlough as a scrounger.
37
06/04/2021 09:35:06 7 15
bbc
Don't expect pragmatism from the sort of people who stigmatise anyone who stigmatises anyone.
38
06/04/2021 09:35:37 14 20
bbc
The Tories dont hide who they are, the clues are there for all to see!! 'We are all in it together' pay freeze for all public sectors and a tax break for the top earners!! ?? pandemic hits the country, contracts worth billions for their mates and cronies, NHS frontline staff who risked their lives to save us, get 1% pay rise! ?? get real people, the TORIES dont care about YOU just their own!!!!!!!
66
06/04/2021 09:43:23 9 5
bbc
On your own logic the Tories are supporting their own - the millions who voted for them and trounced Labour in December 2019. Most people in this country are Tories with a large or small "C". That's why Labour, the Lib Dems and every other minority party never get into power any more.
86
06/04/2021 09:48:18 1 1
bbc
So, logically, the best way to improve my lot in life is to become a Tory, right?
32
06/04/2021 09:34:29 15 14
bbc
Unions are worthless unless your in the public sector. If you know your own employment rights, ditch them.
39
06/04/2021 09:36:12 17 12
bbc
What about when your employer wont give you your rights and you cant afford to leave the job or lawyer fees?
114
06/04/2021 09:56:24 1 0
bbc
Ever tried getting Union legal support for anything other than an accident claim ? Unless there is some political gain for their set of skewed values then you won’t get help. Morally bankrupt
40
06/04/2021 09:36:27 11 15
bbc
It will buy half a bag of Kettle chips! Even worse, look at the £10 'Christmas Bonus' for OAPs - introduced in the 1970s and never increased. If it had been increased, it would now be £140. And the £300 for OAPs introduced in 2008 towards winter gas and electricity - reduced to £200 in 2011 - it should be £500, by now!! CPI figures do not reflect inflation costs for OAPs spending pattern.
81
06/04/2021 09:47:04 2 3
bbc
As a senior, We should all shut up and stop moaning - with the big pension rise to come along. No other section of society is considered, because we vote. Go on a cruise and there you will see seniors of every social class - or to an adults-only hotel - OAP spending pattern! The idea of the poor pensioner is outdated and embarrassing in the main. There may be pockets of poverty, but very tiny.
91
06/04/2021 09:49:43 2 5
bbc
Kettle chips aren't a necessity though.
41
06/04/2021 09:37:02 58 28
bbc
0.5% pay increase is at least 0.5% more than most workers have received this last year.
73
Ben
06/04/2021 09:45:46 41 23
bbc
0.5% is nothing really. A 0.5% pay rise wont cover the 4-5% increases in council tax.
205
06/04/2021 09:59:01 2 2
bbc
That makes it OK then. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas, you realise your fellow workers are not the enemy, right?
313
06/04/2021 11:19:42 3 0
bbc
4.5% more than I got.
12
06/04/2021 09:27:33 23 20
bbc
Unions always wanting something for nothing, it is not a benefit just a stop gap until you are well, no need to incentives sickness.
42
06/04/2021 09:37:06 5 4
bbc
Nothing to do with giving "incentives" for sickness, it's about ensuring low-paid/temporary workers have enough money to cover bills while ill. Otherwise, they'll just keep working as long as they can stand up.

People should never be in financial fear or afraid of an employers reaction, to take needed time off recovering from an illness, particularly one that could be spread to others.
43
06/04/2021 09:37:30 96 56
bbc
Unions are just a financial support to their own management and the Labour Party, they have no interest in the worker these days.
119
06/04/2021 09:57:46 54 45
bbc
Speak for yourself my union has helped me get a payrise and made sure I have unfettered international travel for work purposes. We need unions now more than ever.
Union member here. Like the majority of the 6.5 trades union members, I am not and never will be Labour Party supporter. I don't pay the political levy in my union subscription.
Workers join unions to collectively look after our interests in the workplace. If you believe it is for any other reason, you really should stop reading the Mail and Express.
347
06/04/2021 11:40:47 5 3
bbc
Chambers of commerce are just a financial support for their own management and the Conservative party. They have no interest in the businesses these days.
44
06/04/2021 09:37:32 57 11
bbc
I think the lady in the picture should put her phone and laptop away and get some rest and plenty of fluids.
9
06/04/2021 09:26:45 101 37
bbc
Those with high paying jobs get furloughed but essential workers who have been sacrificed to keep us going are left with a laughable amount of compensation.

People who need SSP at this time will likely be in a low-paid job and NEED their wages to survive and they cannot do that with this package. If they cant survive on SSP then they will go into work and spread COVID. Simple.
45
06/04/2021 09:37:46 85 65
bbc
The low paid are eligible for a £500 paymen if they have to self isolate. Keep up with the facts and stop weaponising Covid for party political reasons.
107
06/04/2021 09:54:54 10 3
bbc
?? ?? ??
150
06/04/2021 10:03:10 24 11
bbc
£500! That will go such a long way if your renting of a Tory landlord who want £600 a week, or if you have a family, keep up with the facta and stop weaponising Tory lies for party political reasons!
344
06/04/2021 11:39:42 17 2
bbc
The £500 is nearly impossible to qualify for. Try and keep up.
394
06/04/2021 12:02:11 14 0
bbc
In order to qualify for the £500 payment, people have to prove they're receiving Government top up credits. There are plenty of people who don't qualify for this as their wages are just above the threshold - so they can't claim the £500 and have only SSP to rely on.
424
06/04/2021 12:15:04 15 0
bbc
Mate - please check the facts. Councils pay the £500, and about 3/4 of applications are rejected. Check your facts
594
06/04/2021 14:19:59 5 0
bbc
Try getting that £500 not a snow ball in hells chance but you keep backing the tories and believing that everyone else is a scrounger, but when the toffs have their noses in the trough that’s what, payback. Millionaire pm Cameron flipped his house and now he’s what, clawing more than 10000 on UC and what about us paying £250000 to decorate, decorate, Boris’s two bedroom flat, what hypocrites.
600
06/04/2021 14:35:37 2 0
bbc
"The low paid are eligible for a £500 paymen if they have to self isolate. Keep up with the facts and stop weaponising Covid for party political reasons."

About one third who apply get it:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/56201754

Maybe if you "kept up with the facts" you'd realise no-one is weaponising it, they're just pointing out that something isn't working and could be done better.
46
06/04/2021 09:37:51 28 16
bbc
Why not get MPs, especially the PM who's been whining to friends about struggling on £150k p.a., to survive for 2 weeks on SSP & then ask them for their views on the viability of it?

Job done!
67
Ben
06/04/2021 09:44:15 13 5
bbc
Or go further and permanently pay them minimum wage.

Wonder how long it would be until it goes up dramatically...
204
06/04/2021 10:15:00 1 2
bbc
How about putting most union bosses first in the queue to survive on SSP as they almost all earn more than the PM? As an afterthought, ask Len McCluskey how much his main residence is worth paid for from union members subscriptions.
47
06/04/2021 09:38:08 78 60
bbc
Left wing unions (which they all are) will always whinge at anything a more right wing government will do, regardless. If Labour aren’t in power all decisions are wrong, regardless as to whether the country can afford it or not.
58
Rez
06/04/2021 09:41:30 45 26
bbc
Yep, came here to say just this. It's the same headline every single time.
144
06/04/2021 10:02:26 14 3
bbc
What's "left wing" about wanting decent statutory sick pay?
160
06/04/2021 10:05:00 3 7
bbc
Yes, they are part of the opposition when the Conservatives are in power. They have a political agenda.
Getting decent working conditions and pay is not a left wing thing. It should be the norm. The Government can always afford anything it wants to. It is a political choice on their part. The country was supposedly skint before Covid, so we had 10 years of austerity. Then they magically managed to find 250 billion to prop up Covid. Nobody should ever vote for this current Government. Removed
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06/04/2021 09:28:42 20 20
bbc
I'm sorry if I'm reading this wrong but 96 quid to ride you over for a couple of weeks seems ok to me.

It's hardly 'surviving' is it. It's only forna couple of weeks and if you're working anyway you'll have a bit to top you up for 2 weeks.

Bit of sensationalist story about not much really and of course the Unions will jump on it....whilst collecting millions from said workers.
48
06/04/2021 09:38:18 1 9
bbc
Yes, you're reading it wrong sickness isn't a choice, nobody should be financially disadvantaged because they are sick £96 is not enough to live on for 2 weeks especailly once you factor in child costs and bills, that's why furlough is 80% of peoples wages.
2
06/04/2021 09:23:16 26 34
bbc
£31 Billion to replace Trident with American nukes.

Precious little for nurses and statutory sick pay.

That's the Conservatives.
49
06/04/2021 09:38:28 2 5
bbc
Look at the downvotes.. why does this comment get voted down?
The tories are ripping us off daily but as soon as unions ask for extra money for those who need it, Britains electorate has a hissy fit and demonize the unions and sick people..
What have we become?!!
11
06/04/2021 09:26:49 81 58
bbc
Not true. Many employers actually restrict workers joining unions.
50
06/04/2021 09:38:45 16 12
bbc
They can't. It's illegal.
63
06/04/2021 09:42:18 15 6
bbc
Just because it's illegal, it doesn't mean that is doesn't happen. I've come across it a few times in my working life.
211
06/04/2021 10:16:59 7 5
bbc
As is doing favours for your mates when you're in government, but it doesn't stop it from going on.
348
06/04/2021 11:41:36 3 2
bbc
Ah yes, because nobody ever does anything that's illegal, do they.
22
06/04/2021 09:31:42 11 13
bbc
I take it you don't pay for a mortgage, utilities, council tax etc
51
06/04/2021 09:39:16 9 3
bbc
Yes. Pay for all of those. I have been ill in the recent past, paid my way.
64
06/04/2021 09:42:54 1 3
bbc
Good for you paying your way. Where's your evidence all the other 34 million of the UK's working population both earn enough and the money by to do the same?
52
06/04/2021 09:39:19 12 14
bbc
But if they got a proper increase, where would Sunack and Johnson get the money to pay extremely wealthy Tory supporters vast sums to do work for them?
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xlr
06/04/2021 09:48:24 3 2
bbc
Or vast sums to fail to do work, as the case usually is...
53
06/04/2021 09:39:35 35 34
bbc
Goodness me the Unions need to get a grip. Have they not noticed that there's been a pandemic. And that businesses are on the rocks. How utterly selfish, stupid and greedy can you get. We'd be much better off without unions. They do us no good whatsoever.
65
06/04/2021 09:43:14 26 19
bbc
The pandemic means that there has never been a more important time to support the workforce - which is what the unions are doing.
If you're ill, you still need to be paid.
This isn't Victorian Britain.
90
06/04/2021 09:49:37 10 3
bbc
Really? Your comment is a little bit like the
"What have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in The Life Of Brian.
But for unions there would be NO sick pay. Decent holidays, breaks, maternity & paternity leave, bereavement pay etc. See Amazon!
Yes there HAS been a pandemic, economic down turn but maybe if companies paid ALL the tax they should and governments didnt waste billions it would help!
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xlr
06/04/2021 09:51:06 8 5
bbc
I'm in a non-unionisted sector, science. I've been working 20 years and have a PhD and get just under £24k a year, down from a grand high £32k a year. I have no pension.

My dad was a steelworker, a heavily unionisted sector. He worked 40 years on £40k and retired on a private pension worth £220k.

But do tell me more of your interesting stories of how unions are useless...
143
06/04/2021 10:02:25 5 1
bbc
MPs managed to get a pay rise well above inflation though. They also got an extra £10,000 to help them work from home. Judging by the attendances in Parliament most of them seem to have been working at home for years. They may have been at their second or possibly third jobs of course.
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06/04/2021 10:05:53 1 1
bbc
simonk
or should i say simple Simon unions are no good read your history,and look at what union have won for members in the last hundred years
324
06/04/2021 11:24:04 1 0
bbc
Businesses are getting propped up by your Tory mates. You should be propping yourself up. I don`t get handouts like businesses do.
6
06/04/2021 09:24:32 162 68
bbc
Sick pay isn't something to live off.

It's a temporary payment to tide you over for short term illness.
54
06/04/2021 09:40:30 50 17
bbc
£96 a week is not enough to tide anyone over. One of the biggest problems in this pandemic has been that many people simply cannot afford to self isolate and so don't get a test when they have symptoms and continue going to work
490
06/04/2021 12:42:34 6 2
bbc
Bingo, how many people’s mortgage and bills would be covered by 96 quid a week if they had to take a month off sick....

I would guess nobodies
581
06/04/2021 14:07:09 0 2
bbc
save some though...why should i pay for the sicknote people
25
06/04/2021 09:32:11 91 72
bbc
topped up by your rainy day savings
55
06/04/2021 09:40:41 48 12
bbc
There are many with no rainy day savings who live hand to mouth, only those on a decent income have the luxury of rainy day savings.
582
06/04/2021 14:07:49 1 2
bbc
OR only those who work hard, get themselves educated, save a little do...and in general those that are responsible
662
06/04/2021 16:59:03 2 1
bbc
Many buy the latest phones, live on takeaways, smoke and drink etc. No wonder they have no savings
56
06/04/2021 09:40:50 17 19
bbc
We're financially knackered, kaput! The public purse is empty. What is one to expect? Most union leaders heads are squarely in their body space where the sun don't shine.
113
06/04/2021 09:56:08 9 3
bbc
Patel 2020 – Public Money –

£ 669 Rachel’s kitchen
£ 77,269.40 Beautiful Brows (run by Global Beauty products)
£ 5,415.90 Primark
£ 849.50 Sports direct
£ 864 Hair
£ 30,000 Global Beauty products
£ 2,022.64 electronics
£ 1,040.69 garden centre
£ 3,774.29 Pollyana Restaurant
£ 919.81 Entertainment
£ 3,952.76 Pollyana Restaurant again
£ 900 Oxford pub
£ 2,000 Diet consultant
146
06/04/2021 10:02:43 3 3
bbc
One might ask how many union officials have been furloughed? Come to that, how many unions have suspended collecting membership dues or provided bailout funds for furloughed workers?
274
06/04/2021 10:49:41 4 0
bbc
Phew! Thankfully though we've still got £2.6m for the PMs "Briefing Room", £9m for the PMs bunker under No.10, £200k so the PMs current girlfriend can have new wallpaper, £500k so the PM doesn't have to sack Patel for bullying & don't forget the £37bn on a failed T,T & T system that's made a lot of money for Tory cronies!

Funny how there's always money for useless things!??
25
06/04/2021 09:32:11 91 72
bbc
topped up by your rainy day savings
57
06/04/2021 09:40:54 43 14
bbc
What about the millions who don't have any rainy day savings?
213
06/04/2021 10:17:43 31 37
bbc
Time they started to save for them. In the days before easy credit, people used to do that, there was no other option. Now some people believe the state should be their "rainy day" saviour; if they're willing to pay the state more to do that, why can they not just save for themselves anyway, then they'll also avoid having to fill in annoying forms.
246
06/04/2021 10:33:40 34 39
bbc
They could give up the Sky TV subscription?
584
06/04/2021 14:08:16 0 1
bbc
time you did...you think i should spending my savings and tax on you?
47
06/04/2021 09:38:08 78 60
bbc
Left wing unions (which they all are) will always whinge at anything a more right wing government will do, regardless. If Labour aren’t in power all decisions are wrong, regardless as to whether the country can afford it or not.
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Rez
06/04/2021 09:41:30 45 26
bbc
Yep, came here to say just this. It's the same headline every single time.
59
06/04/2021 09:30:13 39 19
bbc
Many companies are miserly towards their staff
95
06/04/2021 09:51:22 38 35
bbc
Unless of course you work for the BBC then it's a licence fee payer's bonanza.
103
06/04/2021 09:52:39 3 2
bbc
Can you name any or is that just an ignorant assumption
208
06/04/2021 10:00:12 4 0
bbc
I work for a private company and my pay was increased by ~3% this year along with everyone in the organisation, include shop-floor workers. FTSE-50 company.
850
07/04/2021 08:56:44 0 0
bbc
It's called Capitalism: aint rocket science
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06/04/2021 09:41:35 10 7
bbc
I'd like to see a massive increase in sick pay, public sector pay, higher pensions for all. But, we can only pay what we can afford. Now we're out of the EU, the temptation to tread water & do OK has gone, we have to make it in the world. We have a competitive advantage in life sciences (genome sequencing etc), AI & Fintech. We need money to invest in science & tech - that should be the priority
79
06/04/2021 09:46:56 10 4
bbc
Fair point but I wonder whether our MPs will be so frugal when it comes to awarding themselves a pay rise.
18
06/04/2021 09:30:00 9 15
bbc
Malingering pay is low because if you are truly sick you will literally not be doing anything except eating and sleeping

It should probably be abolished as it annoys everyone in payroll to death and companies mostly have acceptable company sick pay and the government pays 5% of it's workers to do nothing all the time too
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06/04/2021 09:41:59 0 1
bbc
If your employer doesn’t continue to pay your wages while you are self isolating or off sick, and you earn just too much to qualify for tax credits, and you have no savings because you are just managing to pay your mortgage/rent, fuel bills, and feed your family, how can you survive on £96 a week? Stop heating your house? Have cold showers?Switch off the lights? Cancel your broadband?
376
06/04/2021 11:56:23 1 0
bbc
The answer is to take some personal responsibility and ensure you have some rainy-day savings, not stand dumbly with your hand out for freebies the whole time.
62
06/04/2021 09:41:59 14 13
bbc
No point saving at 0% interest but if you get ill you get an almost useless £96.35 a week
Anyone can get ill at anytime
You wonder why Covid suffers went to work and spread it?
This is why
Tories building a society scared of everything to better exploit them
83
06/04/2021 09:47:36 5 6
bbc
To be fair though, it was 80 quid when the last Labour government left power. They had plenty of time to address this when in power.
356
06/04/2021 11:44:25 1 0
bbc
There's always a point in saving, regardless of the interest rate.
50
06/04/2021 09:38:45 16 12
bbc
They can't. It's illegal.
63
06/04/2021 09:42:18 15 6
bbc
Just because it's illegal, it doesn't mean that is doesn't happen. I've come across it a few times in my working life.
51
06/04/2021 09:39:16 9 3
bbc
Yes. Pay for all of those. I have been ill in the recent past, paid my way.
64
06/04/2021 09:42:54 1 3
bbc
Good for you paying your way. Where's your evidence all the other 34 million of the UK's working population both earn enough and the money by to do the same?
89
06/04/2021 09:48:51 4 2
bbc
I don't have any evidence. That's up to them to provide for them and their families. Personal responsibility isn't replaced by government....as much as people seem to think.

Family, friends and being sensible will get you through 99% of lifes stumbling blocks.
53
06/04/2021 09:39:35 35 34
bbc
Goodness me the Unions need to get a grip. Have they not noticed that there's been a pandemic. And that businesses are on the rocks. How utterly selfish, stupid and greedy can you get. We'd be much better off without unions. They do us no good whatsoever.
65
06/04/2021 09:43:14 26 19
bbc
The pandemic means that there has never been a more important time to support the workforce - which is what the unions are doing.
If you're ill, you still need to be paid.
This isn't Victorian Britain.
175
06/04/2021 10:08:42 3 3
bbc
There is a balance to be stuck between workers' rights and the need for businesses to make profits and invest. The TUC hierarchy are themselves Victorian in their anti-capitalist, class warfare outlook, hence their support for Corbyn.
38
06/04/2021 09:35:37 14 20
bbc
The Tories dont hide who they are, the clues are there for all to see!! 'We are all in it together' pay freeze for all public sectors and a tax break for the top earners!! ?? pandemic hits the country, contracts worth billions for their mates and cronies, NHS frontline staff who risked their lives to save us, get 1% pay rise! ?? get real people, the TORIES dont care about YOU just their own!!!!!!!
66
06/04/2021 09:43:23 9 5
bbc
On your own logic the Tories are supporting their own - the millions who voted for them and trounced Labour in December 2019. Most people in this country are Tories with a large or small "C". That's why Labour, the Lib Dems and every other minority party never get into power any more.
191
06/04/2021 10:12:06 0 1
bbc
Hilarious!! ??????
46
06/04/2021 09:37:51 28 16
bbc
Why not get MPs, especially the PM who's been whining to friends about struggling on £150k p.a., to survive for 2 weeks on SSP & then ask them for their views on the viability of it?

Job done!
67
Ben
06/04/2021 09:44:15 13 5
bbc
Or go further and permanently pay them minimum wage.

Wonder how long it would be until it goes up dramatically...
279
06/04/2021 10:56:22 1 4
bbc
Why would hard working highly educated successful people get minimum wage? That's for the very young and the hard of thinking.
33
06/04/2021 09:34:40 38 17
bbc
We have a mutual organisation into which members contribute. It's called the state. We pay taxes to ensure that people who are ill can still live with a measure of dignity.

That's what taxes are for; society. Not lining the pockets of party backers.
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06/04/2021 09:44:28 22 21
bbc
You seem to be missing the point the poster raised and that’s we all accept that as members we contribute into a State sponsored sickness scheme, but should you or any other such union leader as McCluskey deem that it is insufficient then the unions should step in and support their worker as surely it is one of the main reasons for their existence? Your last sentence is political nonsense!
69
06/04/2021 09:44:47 20 19
bbc
Oh dear the left are out in force with this one.

BBC must be loving this one. Creating division....left v right....black vs white....Male vs female.

In the real world, most people are fine with things. Need to do a Simpsons movie and place a dome over London and let the rest of us carry on calmly.
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06/04/2021 09:52:53 8 7
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Only needs to be over North London, with a smaller one over Brighton.
129
06/04/2021 09:59:32 3 0
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oh dear
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06/04/2021 09:59:52 6 4
bbc
What's "left" about a decent level of statutory sick pay?

Is it "left" to also want a decent pension (UK's is one of the lowest in the developed world)?

Course it isn't. Stop being politically-divisive - something you've accused the BBC of.
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06/04/2021 09:36:45 5 6
bbc
Perhaps the unions can start supporting teachers who are suspended without good reason, too.
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06/04/2021 09:45:03 7 6
bbc
Like the unions at DVLA on strike today, it was reported on BBC Wales pages last week about the high community infections in the same area, people getting covid from parties and home hopping, maybe some of those worked at DVLA and took it there?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56602992
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06/04/2021 09:45:19 30 13
bbc
Clearly, the primary reason for the 50p weekly increase is symbolic. It is a government statement about the value of the recipient to society, in its view.
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06/04/2021 10:32:35 38 10
bbc
A bit like the NHS workers 1%. Great Scott, we simply can't afford that, we have still to pay for the Press Centre, Carrie's Renovations, the compensation for the Ferries, the Virtual Parliament, the 10K for MP's working from home, do they think we are made of money?
447
06/04/2021 12:22:20 5 1
bbc
if only they had slept with the PM, they'd have £100.000 of our taxes as a gift
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06/04/2021 09:37:02 58 28
bbc
0.5% pay increase is at least 0.5% more than most workers have received this last year.
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Ben
06/04/2021 09:45:46 41 23
bbc
0.5% is nothing really. A 0.5% pay rise wont cover the 4-5% increases in council tax.
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06/04/2021 10:42:02 2 1
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0.5% increase on all wages vs 4-5% increase on a much smaller council tax.
People should still be up if they shop around on utilities etc and keep their fixed costs low/limit the increase. Should still have more disposable income in their pocket each month...
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06/04/2021 12:46:35 2 0
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Yes, odd that. As a large employer the LA are having to put council tax up so much for council tax payers who all seem to be getting far smaller wage increases or indeed are earning less in real terms. So tell me, who is driving up inflation?
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06/04/2021 17:43:52 0 1
bbc
it will and nurses are getting 1%
788
06/04/2021 23:36:55 1 0
bbc
Why do some people imagine their lives should only get better every year? Never understood the delusion. Is that fantasy why so many apparently live it up all the time to the limit and more of their daily earnings? Instead of saving every penny they can as life is not a one way path ever better. Bet you also expect loads more free stuff, crazy pay rises for emotive groups, paid for by taxes too!
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06/04/2021 09:45:57 27 5
bbc
At least triple lock it like state pension benefits.
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06/04/2021 12:41:44 2 1
bbc
A very fair point, if they did the same with MW and have near parity between them it would make a lot of sense.
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06/04/2021 09:26:45 101 37
bbc
Those with high paying jobs get furloughed but essential workers who have been sacrificed to keep us going are left with a laughable amount of compensation.

People who need SSP at this time will likely be in a low-paid job and NEED their wages to survive and they cannot do that with this package. If they cant survive on SSP then they will go into work and spread COVID. Simple.
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06/04/2021 09:46:01 0 9
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This must have happened already
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06/04/2021 09:30:09 21 31
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absolutely correct
It's always other peoples' money with them, usually mine.
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06/04/2021 09:46:20 14 2
bbc
That is the problem right there, it isn't your money, as soon as you pay tax it ceases to be your money you're never getting it back so why complain, if people aren't looked after properly and have access to money they need to survive it then affects everybody either directly or indirectly, you need to see the bigger picture, the "it's my money" attitude is precisely why tax exists..to benefit all
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06/04/2021 09:22:17 165 88
bbc
If the unions are so upset, why don't they use their members subscriptions to top up members sick pay from their own funds?
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06/04/2021 09:46:40 27 9
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They've already paid their taxes. You're suggesting they pay twice for something the government should provide. Aren't you proud of the welfare State or is it only when it suits you?
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06/04/2021 17:16:51 0 0
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Many years ago a person I worked with always had 2weeks off sick each year. The reason was that her employer pay for 2 weeks per year, if you did not use it, it built up
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06/04/2021 09:23:50 108 70
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Unions - were a wonderful thing many, many years ago. Now totally obsolete - as witnessed by the 1000's who no longer wish to join one.....
And 6.5 million UK workers have CHOSEN to join a Trades Union. Why choose to join a Union? Is it a coincidence Trades Union members tend to be better paid and in more secure jobs?
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06/04/2021 10:05:31 6 3
bbc
Unless you are a grammar school teacher in Batley. See how the teaching unions stepped up there.
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06/04/2021 09:41:35 10 7
bbc
I'd like to see a massive increase in sick pay, public sector pay, higher pensions for all. But, we can only pay what we can afford. Now we're out of the EU, the temptation to tread water & do OK has gone, we have to make it in the world. We have a competitive advantage in life sciences (genome sequencing etc), AI & Fintech. We need money to invest in science & tech - that should be the priority
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06/04/2021 09:46:56 10 4
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Fair point but I wonder whether our MPs will be so frugal when it comes to awarding themselves a pay rise.
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06/04/2021 09:51:36 3 0
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Our MPs don't get to decide their pay, it's set by an independent body. Why? Because for decades they didn't given themselves a pay rise (govts of both colours) as it 'looked bad'. So, to keep up with rising costs, they had allowances on a nod & a wink leading to the expenses scandal in the nougties. Those allowances have now gone & pay rises are set independently of MPs
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06/04/2021 10:06:32 1 2
bbc
Oh dear, another 'know nothing' making themselves look a litle silly. MPs have not awarded themselves rises in years. Try to keep up!
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xlr
06/04/2021 09:47:01 77 5
bbc
If people can't afford to isolate, they won't.
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06/04/2021 12:17:56 26 3
bbc
Especially since so many will not get the £500 from the local council
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06/04/2021 09:36:27 11 15
bbc
It will buy half a bag of Kettle chips! Even worse, look at the £10 'Christmas Bonus' for OAPs - introduced in the 1970s and never increased. If it had been increased, it would now be £140. And the £300 for OAPs introduced in 2008 towards winter gas and electricity - reduced to £200 in 2011 - it should be £500, by now!! CPI figures do not reflect inflation costs for OAPs spending pattern.
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06/04/2021 09:47:04 2 3
bbc
As a senior, We should all shut up and stop moaning - with the big pension rise to come along. No other section of society is considered, because we vote. Go on a cruise and there you will see seniors of every social class - or to an adults-only hotel - OAP spending pattern! The idea of the poor pensioner is outdated and embarrassing in the main. There may be pockets of poverty, but very tiny.
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06/04/2021 09:55:45 1 2
bbc
So 2.5% of a very small amount is a big pension increase? How did you do your 'cruise' - in a rowing boat in your local park?
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DSA
06/04/2021 09:47:08 17 17
bbc
All we ever hear from the unions and the Labour party these days are criticism and "We want".

Never anything positive or helpful to say yet people still pay into and vote for them.

Maybe they use brainwashing to eliminate common sense?
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06/04/2021 09:57:17 11 3
bbc
>Maybe they use brainwashing to eliminate common sense?

The irony of this statement would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad
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06/04/2021 10:01:33 6 0
bbc
You don't want decent statutory sick pay if you're ill?

How odd.

Don't you work?
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06/04/2021 09:41:59 14 13
bbc
No point saving at 0% interest but if you get ill you get an almost useless £96.35 a week
Anyone can get ill at anytime
You wonder why Covid suffers went to work and spread it?
This is why
Tories building a society scared of everything to better exploit them
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06/04/2021 09:47:36 5 6
bbc
To be fair though, it was 80 quid when the last Labour government left power. They had plenty of time to address this when in power.
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06/04/2021 12:08:27 1 0
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Labour introduced NMW, tax credits for low-paid & Pension Credit to top up one of W.Europes lowest retirement pensions.
As soon as this bunch got power they tried (failed) to abolish tax credits & cut millions out of pension credit.
One of them suggested cutting £1ph off the NMW after the 09 crash, as they pumped billions into banks & allowed bosses to walk away millionairres.
They're disgusting
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GPL
06/04/2021 09:48:06 50 28
bbc
Unions object to... [insert absolutely any government proposal here].

It's what they always do. Why is it newsworthy?
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06/04/2021 09:51:59 36 34
bbc
If the government said "we'll give SSP to everyone at £1M a day" - the unions would want £1M plus £1
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06/04/2021 09:30:00 9 15
bbc
Malingering pay is low because if you are truly sick you will literally not be doing anything except eating and sleeping

It should probably be abolished as it annoys everyone in payroll to death and companies mostly have acceptable company sick pay and the government pays 5% of it's workers to do nothing all the time too
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Ben
06/04/2021 09:48:13 0 1
bbc
I work in payroll and yeah it's annoying to process but guess what, SSP is a safety net paid for by us. You can't abolish it just because it's a 'female dog' to process.
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06/04/2021 09:35:37 14 20
bbc
The Tories dont hide who they are, the clues are there for all to see!! 'We are all in it together' pay freeze for all public sectors and a tax break for the top earners!! ?? pandemic hits the country, contracts worth billions for their mates and cronies, NHS frontline staff who risked their lives to save us, get 1% pay rise! ?? get real people, the TORIES dont care about YOU just their own!!!!!!!
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06/04/2021 09:48:18 1 1
bbc
So, logically, the best way to improve my lot in life is to become a Tory, right?
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06/04/2021 10:12:27 0 1
bbc
Hilarious!!??????
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06/04/2021 11:54:12 2 0
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Yes - by becoming a Tory you'll learn to take personal responsibility rather than expecting the State or "society" to do it all for you. You'll learn the benefits of hard work and deferring gratification and you'll stand on your own two feet rather than expect never-ending handouts from other peoples pockets. You'll be free.
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06/04/2021 09:39:19 12 14
bbc
But if they got a proper increase, where would Sunack and Johnson get the money to pay extremely wealthy Tory supporters vast sums to do work for them?
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xlr
06/04/2021 09:48:24 3 2
bbc
Or vast sums to fail to do work, as the case usually is...
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06/04/2021 09:48:49 8 7
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A lot of comments saying £96 is fine to live on for a few weeks if you're sick.
It is not!
SSP doesnt mean you get any extra help. Universal credit might help after 5 weeks, housing benefit doesnt exist for short term illness.
The sick person would be expected to pay everything from this £96. What if they need a few prescriptions to help get better? Extra heating etc.
It's not enough! Not at all.
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OwO
06/04/2021 10:01:27 2 4
bbc
Maybe don't spend all your money every month and put some aside?

The state does not exist to fund your life.
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06/04/2021 09:42:54 1 3
bbc
Good for you paying your way. Where's your evidence all the other 34 million of the UK's working population both earn enough and the money by to do the same?
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06/04/2021 09:48:51 4 2
bbc
I don't have any evidence. That's up to them to provide for them and their families. Personal responsibility isn't replaced by government....as much as people seem to think.

Family, friends and being sensible will get you through 99% of lifes stumbling blocks.
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06/04/2021 09:39:35 35 34
bbc
Goodness me the Unions need to get a grip. Have they not noticed that there's been a pandemic. And that businesses are on the rocks. How utterly selfish, stupid and greedy can you get. We'd be much better off without unions. They do us no good whatsoever.
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06/04/2021 09:49:37 10 3
bbc
Really? Your comment is a little bit like the
"What have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in The Life Of Brian.
But for unions there would be NO sick pay. Decent holidays, breaks, maternity & paternity leave, bereavement pay etc. See Amazon!
Yes there HAS been a pandemic, economic down turn but maybe if companies paid ALL the tax they should and governments didnt waste billions it would help!
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06/04/2021 09:36:27 11 15
bbc
It will buy half a bag of Kettle chips! Even worse, look at the £10 'Christmas Bonus' for OAPs - introduced in the 1970s and never increased. If it had been increased, it would now be £140. And the £300 for OAPs introduced in 2008 towards winter gas and electricity - reduced to £200 in 2011 - it should be £500, by now!! CPI figures do not reflect inflation costs for OAPs spending pattern.
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06/04/2021 09:49:43 2 5
bbc
Kettle chips aren't a necessity though.
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06/04/2021 09:49:54 11 10
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£96.35 statutory sick pay is more than enough

Well done Boris. Useless unions. Happy Easter
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06/04/2021 09:55:22 2 2
bbc
Enjoy your private pension while you can, the older you get the more costly it is, been there ,done that, got the Tshirt!
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06/04/2021 10:09:12 2 1
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another dim wit union are useless look at this we would have none of this with out union
it was unions which fought for and won a minimum wage, maternity and paternity rights, pension provision, holiday and sickness entitlements. These union victories have benefited every single British person.
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06/04/2021 09:52:44 2 0
bbc
Yes more than enough if you starve all week and don’t pay any bills

£96 is what Johnson spends on a slap up lunch for one.
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06/04/2021 09:50:47 35 8
bbc
The BBC fail to mention that in most of those countries with higher sick pay you pay greater contributions towards it. In some you still pay while out of work from the sick pay you have, as well as medical insurance.
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06/04/2021 12:15:30 18 9
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Where? There is 400 characters in a HYS post and you didnt use any of them for citations or examples.

You say the BBC "Fail to mention" then you fail to give any evidence. Perhaps you would like to actually rise to your OWN standard?

Can I have the countries? Perhaps an example of HOW they contribute towards their own sick pay?
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06/04/2021 09:39:35 35 34
bbc
Goodness me the Unions need to get a grip. Have they not noticed that there's been a pandemic. And that businesses are on the rocks. How utterly selfish, stupid and greedy can you get. We'd be much better off without unions. They do us no good whatsoever.
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xlr
06/04/2021 09:51:06 8 5
bbc
I'm in a non-unionisted sector, science. I've been working 20 years and have a PhD and get just under £24k a year, down from a grand high £32k a year. I have no pension.

My dad was a steelworker, a heavily unionisted sector. He worked 40 years on £40k and retired on a private pension worth £220k.

But do tell me more of your interesting stories of how unions are useless...
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06/04/2021 10:52:00 0 1
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You'd think with a PhD you'd have enough analytical skills to change sectors and get more pay?
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06/04/2021 09:30:13 39 19
bbc
Many companies are miserly towards their staff
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06/04/2021 09:51:22 38 35
bbc
Unless of course you work for the BBC then it's a licence fee payer's bonanza.
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06/04/2021 10:00:24 5 3
bbc
Envy.
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06/04/2021 10:11:16 4 4
bbc
If they decide that you have what they call 'talent', like Gary Lineker, you are quids in. I suspect that many behind-the-scenes BBC workers are not well paid.
443
06/04/2021 12:20:52 2 0
bbc
Brass Eye - what about the truth?
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06/04/2021 18:42:20 0 0
bbc
Yes I think everyone should be paid the £1.75 million that Lineker sucks out of the taxpayer for 1 hours work a week and he should be made to live on the old age pension taxed to death of course!
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06/04/2021 09:51:34 78 31
bbc
Len McCluskey, Unite general secretary, could have said

"I got my members to buy me a £700,000 house and it's not realistic to expect them to buy me another one with only 50p a week extra"

Len McCluskey. A greedy greedy hypocrite of a man.
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06/04/2021 11:42:17 27 10
bbc
That doesn't mean that the union itself doesn't do anything useful for its members.
I'm no fan of McCluskey but he was elected to lead a Union which 1.4m people chose to join.

If people say Unions are irrelevant, what does that say about the relevance of political parties?
The total number of people who chose to be members of Labour (496,000), Conservative (180,000), SNP (225,00) and LibDems (121,000) is less than the membership of Unite.
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06/04/2021 09:46:56 10 4
bbc
Fair point but I wonder whether our MPs will be so frugal when it comes to awarding themselves a pay rise.
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06/04/2021 09:51:36 3 0
bbc
Our MPs don't get to decide their pay, it's set by an independent body. Why? Because for decades they didn't given themselves a pay rise (govts of both colours) as it 'looked bad'. So, to keep up with rising costs, they had allowances on a nod & a wink leading to the expenses scandal in the nougties. Those allowances have now gone & pay rises are set independently of MPs
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06/04/2021 09:51:44 8 7
bbc
Typical Union response. Just where is the money gonna come from ? As always they demand vast resources which can only come from tax payers.it is now routine for them to attack each and every proposal regardless of merits . Unions perpetually demonstrate the utmost bad faith. The vast treasure chest of taxpayer revenue,if it ever existed,is empty. Union clowns need to join the real world
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GPL
06/04/2021 09:48:06 50 28
bbc
Unions object to... [insert absolutely any government proposal here].

It's what they always do. Why is it newsworthy?
99
06/04/2021 09:51:59 36 34
bbc
If the government said "we'll give SSP to everyone at £1M a day" - the unions would want £1M plus £1
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06/04/2021 09:52:26 5 5
bbc
The we should be given and the we are entitled bunch of lefties and losers who destroy everything they touch. They are ALWAYS saying pay more, give us more, spend on this or that they they NEVER say where the money is going to come from, They have a magic money tree to pay for everything.
Ah yes the "destroyers" of the country.
The UNISON nurses delivering jabs to get the country up and running.
The Police Federation keeping us safe.
The NFU members keeping us fed.
The GMB workers in the car plants and other manufacturing.
The UNITE members maintaining the electricity/gas/water supplies to your house.
The USDAW workers in Supermarkets.
NASUWT teaching your children......
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06/04/2021 10:40:35 1 0
bbc
That's profoundly ironic given that the Tories are borrowing a billion a day.