Pub vaccine passports not British - Sir Keir Starmer
01/04/2021 | news | politics | 2,892
The Labour leader says it would be "wrong in principle" to ask landlords to police a new scheme.
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01/04/2021 09:35:32 15 14
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Not often I agree with Starmer...
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01/04/2021 09:46:42 9 7
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Me too, but he's just opposed to something the government is considering, it isn't policy.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 13 18
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If we really go down the vaccine passport route I'll happily continue to just not spend my money until such a scheme is removed.

If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated, then why should those of us who are unafraid of catching the virus and have not been vaccinated continue to be restricted? It's my life and my risk.

We can't live like this.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:42:37 5 1
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Further, all this latest news about the vaccine protecting children... how? Children are almost completely unaffected by the virus in the first place, with the exception of those who are already immune-compromised.

If they're worried about foreign strains entering the country, then the answer is to simply keep the borders restricted until the rest of the world has caught up with vaccination.
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01/04/2021 09:46:19 7 1
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That is not what Starmer is saying - no serious thinking person not dominated by selfish short-termism advocates dropping all precautions now
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01/04/2021 12:43:52 1 1
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Those with a social conscience and who are able to, have had the vaccine to protect themselves and their fellow man. Since it is not 100% effective they may still be vulnerable from those that have proven too selfish or too yitten to do the same.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 10 14
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"Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them, he said."

I think we know how that will work out.
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01/04/2021 09:57:02 3 2
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Agreed. He / they can bleat all they like, but it's impossible for Labour to oppose anything given the 80 seat majority the people gave Boris.
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01/04/2021 09:44:23 1 2
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Yes, Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them.
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01/04/2021 09:37:07 22 18
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I can see the smoke from here from the cogs turning in the brains of the “anyone but labour” people (who also don’t like the idea of a vaccine passport) trying to figure out a way in how they can still attack labour with this news.
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01/04/2021 09:37:26 16 16
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He's right. This idea is unworkable.
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01/04/2021 10:07:01 8 8
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He's wrong. This idea is workable.
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01/04/2021 10:09:22 1 2
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Johnson knows it too but he thinks that bluffing that it might will be enough to push youngsters into getting the jab. From what I'm hearing many won't take it. They do not have trust in it.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 13 18
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If we really go down the vaccine passport route I'll happily continue to just not spend my money until such a scheme is removed.

If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated, then why should those of us who are unafraid of catching the virus and have not been vaccinated continue to be restricted? It's my life and my risk.

We can't live like this.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:44:36 4 10
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What do you mean not all vulnerable have been vaccinated yet? Over 30 MILLION doses have been given out, how many vulnerable people do you think there are here?! More than 1 in 2?

Sorry, but there has to be a point where common sense must prevail, many people are vulnerable to the flu but it doesn't stop us being able to LIVE OUR LIVES if not everyone vulnerable has yet had their annual flu jab!!
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01/04/2021 09:47:47 4 7
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@Arcangel, let me reiterate that very clear point:

"If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated"

Year 6 SATS level English comprehension, please.

What's your alternative? We live at home forever? Never reopen. God forbid someone might get the flu! Of which more people die from in a usual year than the now current daily covid death rate.

Think, please!
And further, further, in reply.

The choice you're making is literally everyone stay at home vs just the vulnerable stay at home.

AKA bullshit.
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01/04/2021 09:54:16 3 4
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So can you even if you have been vaccinated life is full of risk if you dont want to take any stay in your house
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01/04/2021 09:46:02 0 0
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Also only 80% of those vaccinated will be safe.
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01/04/2021 09:40:48 31 25
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Starmer going on about Britishness, yes it is April 1st.
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01/04/2021 09:47:12 17 8
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He's talking about going to the pub. How British can you get?
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ben
01/04/2021 13:09:45 0 1
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How is he not British?
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01/04/2021 09:41:04 9 7
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He's probably right they're not. But neither are stopping outdoor pursuits, arresting people for meeting friends or family and denying people the right to travel.
Strange times indeed in lockdown-Boris's new version of East Germany.
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01/04/2021 09:41:49 17 16
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Starmer's right. Bit of a problem for Bojo. Better launch a diversion tactic like announcing a cycle lane to Mars or something.
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01/04/2021 09:42:33 4 5
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Something I finally agree with Kier Starmer on.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 13 18
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If we really go down the vaccine passport route I'll happily continue to just not spend my money until such a scheme is removed.

If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated, then why should those of us who are unafraid of catching the virus and have not been vaccinated continue to be restricted? It's my life and my risk.

We can't live like this.
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01/04/2021 09:42:37 5 1
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Further, all this latest news about the vaccine protecting children... how? Children are almost completely unaffected by the virus in the first place, with the exception of those who are already immune-compromised.

If they're worried about foreign strains entering the country, then the answer is to simply keep the borders restricted until the rest of the world has caught up with vaccination.
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01/04/2021 09:43:22 6 3
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I do npot care whether vaccine passports for domestic use are "British" (whatever then means?) or not - they are unenforceable & unworkable.

However many nice people would like them, the best customers for pubs & clubs would not give them the time of day.

For overseas travel they are inevitable however
Neither is taking the knee in an empty office ... apart from the press photographer, of course. Removed
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01/04/2021 10:01:52 16 21
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What?
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01/04/2021 10:06:31 13 2
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I think he was searching for his dignity.
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01/04/2021 10:34:21 3 6
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Idiotic comment!
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01/04/2021 10:42:14 7 0
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Half the people going for Starmer this morning were applauding the Red Wall MPs for saying the same thing last week.
Shows that everything they pretend to think is just to support support their ideology. Not to constrain any form of truth.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:44:08 13 11
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Pub passports are not British. That is correct.

And similarly the new blue UK passports will not be British either. They will be made in France.
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01/04/2021 10:07:28 6 3
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Time to move on now
01/04/2021 14:41:18 0 2
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And the "British" variant of the virus was most likely imported but not detected until it arrived in Kent due to the UK's stringent testing.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:44:36 4 10
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What do you mean not all vulnerable have been vaccinated yet? Over 30 MILLION doses have been given out, how many vulnerable people do you think there are here?! More than 1 in 2?

Sorry, but there has to be a point where common sense must prevail, many people are vulnerable to the flu but it doesn't stop us being able to LIVE OUR LIVES if not everyone vulnerable has yet had their annual flu jab!!
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01/04/2021 09:55:02 3 1
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Listening to the radio earlier and there were plenty of people phoning up who are shielding who haven't had a single dose yet.

The government uses the term "have been offered a vaccine" for a reason because those who can't travel to get one and have to miss out (i.e. the most vulnerable) are still unvaccinated and that's a glaring shortcoming
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01/04/2021 09:44:37 6 6
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There's so many issues with this idea.

Firstly, why would any pub voluntarily limit their customer base? It seems ludicrous. Secondly, this is discriminatory to the younger generation, for whom the vaccine is not particularly essential for personally, since they may be prevented access due to the vaccine order. These young adults also faced the brunt of most of the restrictions.
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01/04/2021 09:48:09 5 3
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Yep - nice middle-class people dropping into a pub for a half pint after a brisk walk are not the principal source of a pub's profits - they piggy-back on the core customer base who keep that pub open, and few of them will accept this restriction
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01/04/2021 09:56:38 0 0
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spot on..
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01/04/2021 10:03:41 3 2
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What you talking about. The young faced the same restrictions as the rest of the population. Its true that due to their obscene sense of entitlement they feel harder done by. Also if they dont get vaccinated due to some sense of invulnerability, we will soon have new variants that avoid the vaccines and will all be back to square 1. So I think as much pressure for vaccination as poss is good.
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01/04/2021 09:45:28 69 42
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All my initial positivity about SKS being a credible alternative capable of providing a strong opposition are all but eroded. He lacks originality and seems content with criticising anything the Govt suggests. That may appease some die hard socialists but its not going to win any leverage with the middle ground...it's not good for the UK; we need a strong opposition to hold the Govt to account
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01/04/2021 09:58:36 36 27
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He doesn't appeal to this socialist. Labour need to get a leader, Starmer is not that person, he's weak tea, and we need more than he is capable of.
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01/04/2021 10:44:01 3 1
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It doesn't matter what Boris says. Even if it was the perfect, and only solution, to any problem, Starmer would say the opposite just to oppose Boris. Sturgeon would do something completely different, just to say "Hey! We're independent up here!"
Having said that, I can't see it being any different if it were Starmer in charge in lieu of Boris.
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01/04/2021 10:45:31 3 3
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He's basically a red version of William Hague - a vanilla placeholder while a recently stuffed party gets its stuff together and decides on a strategy that's a bit more grown up than identity politics and an unfathomable fetish for council houses.
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ben
01/04/2021 13:08:55 2 1
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Think you would oppose starmer whatever he said.

You are projecting your logic failure.
01/04/2021 14:16:32 2 0
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I assure, you Starmer is definitely not trying to appease any socialists.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 13 18
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If we really go down the vaccine passport route I'll happily continue to just not spend my money until such a scheme is removed.

If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated, then why should those of us who are unafraid of catching the virus and have not been vaccinated continue to be restricted? It's my life and my risk.

We can't live like this.
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01/04/2021 09:46:19 7 1
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That is not what Starmer is saying - no serious thinking person not dominated by selfish short-termism advocates dropping all precautions now
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01/04/2021 09:49:17 3 4
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Maybe your English comprehension isn't great either, but my point is in agreement with Starmer's!

What is wrong with people today, have you lot not had your coffee yet?
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01/04/2021 09:46:23 6 7
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The pub passport would have to be blue and you won't have the automatic right to stay for long in foreign bars.
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01/04/2021 09:46:26 6 10
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Passports for pubs, your better off objecting to the UK Election Integrity Bill, which basically means,

If you’re young, if you’re a person of colour, if you’re disabled, trans or you don’t have a fixed address, you’re much less likely to have valid photo ID and could therefore be shut off from voting.

No ID, no Vote, That's Tory Democracy for you.....
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01/04/2021 09:50:16 2 3
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You are off-topic my friend. And in any case Labour & c have never to my knowledge run any sort of electoral registration campaign - if they did they would get more voters. The fact they have not suggests this is not an issue like it is in the States
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01/04/2021 09:50:30 0 3
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No ID, no vote sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone who deserves to vote will be able to provide ID.
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01/04/2021 10:03:46 1 1
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and how it should be - if you cannot prove you have a right to vote then why should you be allowed to vote? You need proof of ID for a bank account, to get job, to prove your age in the pub, to use th library.... what is the problem here? everyone has a birth certificate.
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01/04/2021 10:18:12 0 1
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Sounds good to me tbh
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01/04/2021 09:35:32 15 14
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Not often I agree with Starmer...
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01/04/2021 09:46:42 9 7
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Me too, but he's just opposed to something the government is considering, it isn't policy.
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01/04/2021 09:52:50 7 3
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So when he opposes the government he is just being awkward, unpatriotic or opposing for the sake of opposing

But when he supports them he is spineless and is just tory lite.

The man can't win
02/04/2021 09:31:41 0 0
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He is opining on an option the government are exploring. It is a legitimate part of his role as leader of HM Opposition
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01/04/2021 09:46:42 6 5
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For once I agree with him. Totally unworkable and should not be the responsibility of bar staff to enforce. Any passport system will need to be updated ad infinitum as new strains emerge and new boosters are released, this is the future, the new normal, the new state control system....
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01/04/2021 09:40:48 31 25
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Starmer going on about Britishness, yes it is April 1st.
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01/04/2021 09:47:12 17 8
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He's talking about going to the pub. How British can you get?
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01/04/2021 09:52:11 9 9
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Well if Keir is suddenly all Britishness I'd like his opinion of the removal of the British flag from a certain school recently.
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01/04/2021 09:53:59 4 6
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Shame isn't it if that is the most British thing.

Love pub restaurants.
Drinking pubs are generally best avoided. Full of undesirables.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:47:47 4 7
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@Arcangel, let me reiterate that very clear point:

"If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated"

Year 6 SATS level English comprehension, please.

What's your alternative? We live at home forever? Never reopen. God forbid someone might get the flu! Of which more people die from in a usual year than the now current daily covid death rate.

Think, please!
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01/04/2021 09:57:09 3 3
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I wouldnt comment on my comprehension when you havent comprehended what I have said... not all of the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

Oh yes because when someone points out an issue then you have to throw the toys out of the pram saying then we should stay at home forever. > 6 year old maturity please.
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01/04/2021 09:44:37 6 6
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There's so many issues with this idea.

Firstly, why would any pub voluntarily limit their customer base? It seems ludicrous. Secondly, this is discriminatory to the younger generation, for whom the vaccine is not particularly essential for personally, since they may be prevented access due to the vaccine order. These young adults also faced the brunt of most of the restrictions.
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01/04/2021 09:48:09 5 3
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Yep - nice middle-class people dropping into a pub for a half pint after a brisk walk are not the principal source of a pub's profits - they piggy-back on the core customer base who keep that pub open, and few of them will accept this restriction
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01/04/2021 09:49:14 12 12
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Pubs can't be expected to police this sort of thing, and expecting responsible behaviour from amateur drunks is just silly.
Keep the pubs closed until it's safe to go out without a mask.
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01/04/2021 09:56:47 7 4
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Yep, it's a bit daft to think about opening any place where people gather in close proximity and abandon inhibitions until they are all vaccinated. Starmer should concentrate on other British values, to quote Churchill "when you are going through hell, keep going". We just need to keep our heads down and get through this, there are no shortcuts.
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01/04/2021 10:17:39 0 0
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That may never be the case though....keep pubs closed forever ?
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01/04/2021 09:46:19 7 1
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That is not what Starmer is saying - no serious thinking person not dominated by selfish short-termism advocates dropping all precautions now
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01/04/2021 09:49:17 3 4
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Maybe your English comprehension isn't great either, but my point is in agreement with Starmer's!

What is wrong with people today, have you lot not had your coffee yet?
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01/04/2021 09:49:23 7 7
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There will be certain factions of the government who crave greater powers who will be clambering for "passports" which will be seen as a stepping stone to identity cards.

This creeping authoritarianism is deeply concerning.
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01/04/2021 10:04:31 0 4
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I cannot stand the modern Tories but this is a misrepresentation of their position. They would happily allow the hoi polloi infect each other if they could get away with it
02/04/2021 09:32:50 0 0
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Surely every adult carries some form of ID nowadays.
We are all on many different databases.
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01/04/2021 09:49:32 12 8
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He added that "this is really difficult and I'm not going to pretend there's a clear black and white, yes-no easy answer on this".
Not a lot of point trying to make out passports are not viable and offering no alternatives. Covid is with us for the foreseeable future , vaccinated or not we need to do whatever we can to reduce the spread.
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01/04/2021 10:00:59 7 5
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and how would a passport reduce COVID spread given even thevaccinated can still spred it? unless you support total exclusion from society for all the unvaccinated? in which case why not make them identify themselves somehow... lets say by ring a bell as the walk along or wearing a symbol on their arm for example
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01/04/2021 09:46:26 6 10
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Passports for pubs, your better off objecting to the UK Election Integrity Bill, which basically means,

If you’re young, if you’re a person of colour, if you’re disabled, trans or you don’t have a fixed address, you’re much less likely to have valid photo ID and could therefore be shut off from voting.

No ID, no Vote, That's Tory Democracy for you.....
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01/04/2021 09:50:16 2 3
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You are off-topic my friend. And in any case Labour & c have never to my knowledge run any sort of electoral registration campaign - if they did they would get more voters. The fact they have not suggests this is not an issue like it is in the States
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01/04/2021 09:54:33 2 0
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Do you homework my friend, Compulsory ID by 2023 elections, but don't worry your right to have a beer is safe, unlike your right to vote......

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9187/
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01/04/2021 09:46:26 6 10
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Passports for pubs, your better off objecting to the UK Election Integrity Bill, which basically means,

If you’re young, if you’re a person of colour, if you’re disabled, trans or you don’t have a fixed address, you’re much less likely to have valid photo ID and could therefore be shut off from voting.

No ID, no Vote, That's Tory Democracy for you.....
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01/04/2021 09:50:30 0 3
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No ID, no vote sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone who deserves to vote will be able to provide ID.
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01/04/2021 09:57:19 1 0
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Anyone who deserves to vote.....???

Your ignorance is startling, Maybe I don't think you don't deserve to vote would you find that acceptable.....???
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:50:57 8 6
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If "vaccine passports" were introduced now it would only be the over 50s who could visit pubs.

Imagine that?

"Sorry, your only 45, you can't come in, you're not old enough!"
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01/04/2021 09:57:32 11 2
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Bliss
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01/04/2021 10:02:43 1 1
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Yup, good old discrimination becoming national policy
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Bob
01/04/2021 10:04:51 1 0
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They're not being introduced now though and they've already said wouldn't exist until everyone's had the chance to be vaccinated. So a pointless comment.
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01/04/2021 10:06:58 1 0
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great
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01/04/2021 09:47:12 17 8
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He's talking about going to the pub. How British can you get?
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01/04/2021 09:52:11 9 9
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Well if Keir is suddenly all Britishness I'd like his opinion of the removal of the British flag from a certain school recently.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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And further, further, in reply.

The choice you're making is literally everyone stay at home vs just the vulnerable stay at home.

AKA bullshit.
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01/04/2021 09:46:42 9 7
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Me too, but he's just opposed to something the government is considering, it isn't policy.
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01/04/2021 09:52:50 7 3
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So when he opposes the government he is just being awkward, unpatriotic or opposing for the sake of opposing

But when he supports them he is spineless and is just tory lite.

The man can't win
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01/04/2021 10:01:12 2 2
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I didn't call him any of those things.

But looking at the electoral history of the UK over the last 42 years the only way he can take power is being 'tory lite'
01/04/2021 14:41:12 1 1
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The man is a populist fool with not one ounce of dignity or backbone. His latest 'defence' of Britishness fools nobody, not even his most ardent supporters such as flunkies like you hey Arc lol.
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01/04/2021 09:53:44 9 7
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But if anywhere was going to be so desperate to get back into pubs that they needed little vaccine passports to do it, you know it would be the UK.
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01/04/2021 09:47:12 17 8
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He's talking about going to the pub. How British can you get?
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01/04/2021 09:53:59 4 6
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Shame isn't it if that is the most British thing.

Love pub restaurants.
Drinking pubs are generally best avoided. Full of undesirables.
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01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
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BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:54:16 3 4
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So can you even if you have been vaccinated life is full of risk if you dont want to take any stay in your house
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01/04/2021 09:50:16 2 3
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You are off-topic my friend. And in any case Labour & c have never to my knowledge run any sort of electoral registration campaign - if they did they would get more voters. The fact they have not suggests this is not an issue like it is in the States
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01/04/2021 09:54:33 2 0
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Do you homework my friend, Compulsory ID by 2023 elections, but don't worry your right to have a beer is safe, unlike your right to vote......

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9187/
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01/04/2021 09:44:36 4 10
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What do you mean not all vulnerable have been vaccinated yet? Over 30 MILLION doses have been given out, how many vulnerable people do you think there are here?! More than 1 in 2?

Sorry, but there has to be a point where common sense must prevail, many people are vulnerable to the flu but it doesn't stop us being able to LIVE OUR LIVES if not everyone vulnerable has yet had their annual flu jab!!
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01/04/2021 09:55:02 3 1
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Listening to the radio earlier and there were plenty of people phoning up who are shielding who haven't had a single dose yet.

The government uses the term "have been offered a vaccine" for a reason because those who can't travel to get one and have to miss out (i.e. the most vulnerable) are still unvaccinated and that's a glaring shortcoming
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01/04/2021 09:57:08 3 5
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Well sorry for them, they're sat at home and will continue to whether the rest of us can go shopping or to the pub or not.

It's the same flawed logic: keep EVERYONE at home instead of just the FEW who would stay at home anyway, to protect said few.

It is stupidity. If you're vulnerable just shield until you get a vaccine, why should I wait for them to get a vaccine, they're not going to the pub!
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Bob
01/04/2021 09:55:53 9 8
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Boris has already said passports would never be a thing until everyone has been offered the vaccine. That's not until the end of July.

All restrictions are due to be lifted before that.

Yet more people getting worked up other nothing and Keir bandwagoning again.

The only reason for not ruling it out is any possibility of future waves as seen in Europe right now.
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01/04/2021 09:55:57 4 5
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I agree with Starmer which is highly unusual. Still if that's what it takes to get some Fuller's ESB on cask so be it.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:56:03 7 5
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How are pub landlords expected to police their clientele?

Are they to receive special training in how to detect a false vaccine passport?

And what will the consequences be on the pubs if they fail to spot a counterfeit?

This policy has simply not been thought through but I expect that the Home Secretary will crave these additional powers.
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Bob
01/04/2021 10:03:52 4 1
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It would be digital. Essentially the reverse of what we had last summer where customers checked in to venues with the app.

Here you would have venues checking you in. You would have a barcode, could be on the app or a physical document. The venue scans it, it verifies your vaccine status and your name. The venue can then check your identity with standard ID.
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01/04/2021 09:44:37 6 6
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There's so many issues with this idea.

Firstly, why would any pub voluntarily limit their customer base? It seems ludicrous. Secondly, this is discriminatory to the younger generation, for whom the vaccine is not particularly essential for personally, since they may be prevented access due to the vaccine order. These young adults also faced the brunt of most of the restrictions.
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01/04/2021 09:56:38 0 0
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spot on..
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01/04/2021 09:49:14 12 12
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Pubs can't be expected to police this sort of thing, and expecting responsible behaviour from amateur drunks is just silly.
Keep the pubs closed until it's safe to go out without a mask.
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01/04/2021 09:56:47 7 4
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Yep, it's a bit daft to think about opening any place where people gather in close proximity and abandon inhibitions until they are all vaccinated. Starmer should concentrate on other British values, to quote Churchill "when you are going through hell, keep going". We just need to keep our heads down and get through this, there are no shortcuts.
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Rob
01/04/2021 09:56:52 8 5
bbc
Looking after everyone's safety at the expense of a few selfish morons you mean? Not British at all.. though interestingly Sir Keir leads the party who wanted to introduce national ID cards...
3
01/04/2021 09:37:00 10 14
bbc
"Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them, he said."

I think we know how that will work out.
47
01/04/2021 09:57:02 3 2
bbc
Agreed. He / they can bleat all they like, but it's impossible for Labour to oppose anything given the 80 seat majority the people gave Boris.
01/04/2021 14:15:27 1 0
bbc
That "majority" was won on 43% of the vote, with the majority of the country voting for parties calling for another referendum on EU membership. Our system is a joke.
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01/04/2021 09:55:02 3 1
bbc
Listening to the radio earlier and there were plenty of people phoning up who are shielding who haven't had a single dose yet.

The government uses the term "have been offered a vaccine" for a reason because those who can't travel to get one and have to miss out (i.e. the most vulnerable) are still unvaccinated and that's a glaring shortcoming
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01/04/2021 09:57:08 3 5
bbc
Well sorry for them, they're sat at home and will continue to whether the rest of us can go shopping or to the pub or not.

It's the same flawed logic: keep EVERYONE at home instead of just the FEW who would stay at home anyway, to protect said few.

It is stupidity. If you're vulnerable just shield until you get a vaccine, why should I wait for them to get a vaccine, they're not going to the pub!
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01/04/2021 09:47:47 4 7
bbc
@Arcangel, let me reiterate that very clear point:

"If the vaccine is to protect the vulnerable and the vulnerable have been vaccinated"

Year 6 SATS level English comprehension, please.

What's your alternative? We live at home forever? Never reopen. God forbid someone might get the flu! Of which more people die from in a usual year than the now current daily covid death rate.

Think, please!
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01/04/2021 09:57:09 3 3
bbc
I wouldnt comment on my comprehension when you havent comprehended what I have said... not all of the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

Oh yes because when someone points out an issue then you have to throw the toys out of the pram saying then we should stay at home forever. > 6 year old maturity please.
63
01/04/2021 09:59:10 1 2
bbc
You still haven't comprehended what I've said. I didn't even state "the vulnerable have now been vaccinated", I gave what is called a scenario, i.e. "IF". "If the vulnerable have been vaccinated".

That scenario could be applied 2 months from now. But you, like I said, failed to comprehend the statement I made. And along with it, anyone skimming it is now reacting negatively to the OC.

Please.
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01/04/2021 09:57:11 3 3
bbc
For once I agree with Keir Starmer.

We don't want vaccine passports to carry out normal activities in the UK.

But I accept that we may need them for foreign travel.
51
01/04/2021 09:57:15 3 6
bbc
Labour policy is just argue everything so of course he's against it.
31
01/04/2021 09:50:30 0 3
bbc
No ID, no vote sounds like a good idea to me. Anyone who deserves to vote will be able to provide ID.
52
01/04/2021 09:57:19 1 0
bbc
Anyone who deserves to vote.....???

Your ignorance is startling, Maybe I don't think you don't deserve to vote would you find that acceptable.....???
128
01/04/2021 10:14:05 0 1
bbc
Yup, that's perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately for you, I already have several forms of ID, so I get to vote anyway.
53
01/04/2021 09:57:28 155 58
bbc
Yes, vaccine Passports are against British instincts in the same way taking off one's muddy shoes before entering someone-else's home is against British instincts. Much better to tread the mud all over your friends' carpets. Myself, I prefer the culture of respecting others and their property, by taking simple and sensible precautions that require little or no effort on my part.
99
01/04/2021 10:08:08 72 79
bbc
Should all contagious and transmissable diseases be included? HIV, STDs, MRSA and many many more that can pass from person to person without direct interaction just through poor hygene?
867
01/04/2021 13:06:18 2 7
bbc
Oh you and your “partner” are so virtuous. Well done you.
me
02/04/2021 11:28:23 0 0
bbc
Well said
02/04/2021 14:49:14 0 0
bbc
'simple and sensible precautions that require little or no effort'

It wouldn't be though would it because it would require everyone to keep on doing it permanently. One jab (or two) does not mean immunity. Every single public encounter requiring a passport and every interview would NOT be simple!
02/04/2021 18:12:25 0 0
bbc
but you're Paranoid.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:50:57 8 6
bbc
If "vaccine passports" were introduced now it would only be the over 50s who could visit pubs.

Imagine that?

"Sorry, your only 45, you can't come in, you're not old enough!"
54
01/04/2021 09:57:32 11 2
bbc
Bliss
55
01/04/2021 09:42:08 120 41
bbc
"The Labour leader told the Daily Telegraph it would be "wrong in principle" to ask landlords to check customers' Covid jab certificates."

While I disagree with the "vaccine passports" (at least on a domestic level) I would point out that landlords/Bar Staff already have a duty to check that their customers are of a legal age to purchase/consume alcohol,
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MVS
01/04/2021 10:00:04 126 25
bbc
But they only have to check a very few dubious customers, not every single one of them!
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01/04/2021 10:09:41 1 2
bbc
True, but in most cases that’s not necessary

If they are not sure someone is old enough they always check because if they don’t they know they will be caught. Council licence enforcement uses “mystery shoppers”, or mystery drinkers if you will
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01/04/2021 12:22:37 4 5
bbc
You're comparing apples and pears here. They only ask for ID if they look under 25. With a Covid certificate EVERYONE would have to be checked including those who have been vaccinated. If 80% of the population are vaccinated and hospitalisations/deaths are low you can see how annoying this would become and what a totally unnecessary it is.
939
01/04/2021 13:18:00 2 0
bbc
No young person will be able to afford going to the pub after the year's to come of unemployment, taxation, inflation and other economic detoriation.
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D
01/04/2021 13:19:05 0 1
bbc
Only the ones who look under 18. What does an unvaccinated person look like?
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01/04/2021 13:23:54 1 0
bbc
So the forged vaccine passports will become a big industry.
01/04/2021 14:45:23 0 1
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You can see... Mostly, who are under age or near 18 years old as so you check their age. You cannot see who has had a vaccine by looking at them so you would need to ask everyone. It is not workable.
01/04/2021 17:16:04 0 1
bbc
That is the odd one or two who look underage. Not every single customer. You wait long enough at the bar as it is, You might never get served. Not forgetting you can buy these passports on the dark net.
02/04/2021 13:11:09 0 1
bbc
That is a Law, Vaccine passports are not lawful as at the present!
02/04/2021 18:55:04 0 1
bbc
Those up to about 25 who look younger may be asked; hardly the majority of customers.
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01/04/2021 09:43:18 5 9
bbc
This from the Lefties who wanted to introduce an ID card.
Standard hypocrisy from Starmless
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01/04/2021 09:40:48 31 25
bbc
Starmer going on about Britishness, yes it is April 1st.
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01/04/2021 09:44:16 9 9
bbc
I see the crowdfunding to buy a spine for Kier Starmer is gathering pace.
01/04/2021 14:18:09 0 0
bbc
This is pandering to the right-wing rag readers, it's exactly what Starmer has done all along, he remains as spineless as ever.
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01/04/2021 09:37:00 10 14
bbc
"Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them, he said."

I think we know how that will work out.
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01/04/2021 09:44:23 1 2
bbc
Yes, Labour would look at any government proposals before deciding whether to oppose them.
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01/04/2021 10:10:48 0 1
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Before deciding to oppose them you mean?
60
01/04/2021 09:44:59 7 7
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It wouild appear that the UK is a nation of p-heads.
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01/04/2021 10:06:43 2 1
bbc
Persecution
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01/04/2021 10:28:32 1 0
bbc
Porsche ads?
794
01/04/2021 12:57:50 0 0
bbc
Petrol heads?
Pin heads?
What can you mean?
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01/04/2021 09:45:28 69 42
bbc
All my initial positivity about SKS being a credible alternative capable of providing a strong opposition are all but eroded. He lacks originality and seems content with criticising anything the Govt suggests. That may appease some die hard socialists but its not going to win any leverage with the middle ground...it's not good for the UK; we need a strong opposition to hold the Govt to account
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01/04/2021 09:58:36 36 27
bbc
He doesn't appeal to this socialist. Labour need to get a leader, Starmer is not that person, he's weak tea, and we need more than he is capable of.
334
01/04/2021 11:09:02 2 1
bbc
How about...a man of steel....like Joe Stalin?
378
01/04/2021 11:19:07 3 1
bbc
If Labour is too clearly Socialist, they will not be elected. When they lurch to the left, as under Michael Foot and Jeremy Corbyn, they lose heavily. Labour has to take the middle ground in order to attract working class voters. Socialism in this country is a dead end.
02/04/2021 09:20:37 0 1
bbc
Here we go again. The far left keeping the Tories in power.
02/04/2021 12:28:15 1 2
bbc
He wouldn't be my choice but his brain and ideas are far much more sensible than Johnson's ever will be .Anyone who opposes this current incompetent extreme right wing government needs to support him even if he is not their cuppa tea .People who are brilliant like John Smith only come along once in a lifetime
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MVS
01/04/2021 09:58:57 4 2
bbc
Did nobody actually monitor the (un)success of the contact app in pubs last summer? Practically this idea of a check on vaccine passports for pubs, restaurants or anywhere else in the UK is utterly unworkable.
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01/04/2021 09:57:09 3 3
bbc
I wouldnt comment on my comprehension when you havent comprehended what I have said... not all of the vulnerable have been vaccinated.

Oh yes because when someone points out an issue then you have to throw the toys out of the pram saying then we should stay at home forever. > 6 year old maturity please.
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01/04/2021 09:59:10 1 2
bbc
You still haven't comprehended what I've said. I didn't even state "the vulnerable have now been vaccinated", I gave what is called a scenario, i.e. "IF". "If the vulnerable have been vaccinated".

That scenario could be applied 2 months from now. But you, like I said, failed to comprehend the statement I made. And along with it, anyone skimming it is now reacting negatively to the OC.

Please.
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01/04/2021 10:08:07 2 2
bbc
I have, you're just wrong.

Why can't you comprehend what i've said to your original point. Not all the vulnerable have been vaccinated so your plan of "all the vulnerable have been vaccinated so lets just open up because I'm safe" doesnt work because all aren't vaccinated and even if they were only 62% or so are actually protected.
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01/04/2021 09:59:21 5 4
bbc
So you can go in a pub without a passport in May and without a vaccine but then in August when most people who want a vaccine will have had one you won't be able to without a passport just about sums up this useless government's logic
55
01/04/2021 09:42:08 120 41
bbc
"The Labour leader told the Daily Telegraph it would be "wrong in principle" to ask landlords to check customers' Covid jab certificates."

While I disagree with the "vaccine passports" (at least on a domestic level) I would point out that landlords/Bar Staff already have a duty to check that their customers are of a legal age to purchase/consume alcohol,
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MVS
01/04/2021 10:00:04 126 25
bbc
But they only have to check a very few dubious customers, not every single one of them!
290
01/04/2021 10:57:42 7 9
bbc
Here's a thing:
Customer: Two pint sof lager please?
Landlord: Certainly, can I see your passport please?
Option 1 - Customer: Sorry I don't have one.
Landlord: No passport no drink. I'm sorry sir.
Option 2 - Customer: Yes here it is.
Landlord: Here you go that'll be £x.xx sir. Thank you.

Hmmm. Huge problem. How on earth are they going to work it? All that work and paper work. Get a life!
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01/04/2021 11:07:04 2 1
bbc
All I am saying is that while the "principle" of vaccine passports is not a good one, the practicalities of doing so are possible as pubs already do (or are supposed to do) some checks already, and if it allowed them to start trading again earlier. Also if you had to have had both jabs (+ the two weeks) to get the passport then there would not be that many customers yet.
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LH
01/04/2021 12:52:28 0 1
bbc
Only need to check the Over 50s!!
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LH
01/04/2021 12:54:55 0 3
bbc
Yu only have to check ONCE they have been vaccinated, not EVERY time they enter the pub, or EVERY time they go to the bar!!!!!!
56
01/04/2021 09:43:18 5 9
bbc
This from the Lefties who wanted to introduce an ID card.
Standard hypocrisy from Starmless
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baz
01/04/2021 10:00:49 2 2
bbc
It would never happen.

Do you want money from a paying customer, or are you going to tell them to jog-on?
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01/04/2021 09:49:32 12 8
bbc
He added that "this is really difficult and I'm not going to pretend there's a clear black and white, yes-no easy answer on this".
Not a lot of point trying to make out passports are not viable and offering no alternatives. Covid is with us for the foreseeable future , vaccinated or not we need to do whatever we can to reduce the spread.
68
01/04/2021 10:00:59 7 5
bbc
and how would a passport reduce COVID spread given even thevaccinated can still spred it? unless you support total exclusion from society for all the unvaccinated? in which case why not make them identify themselves somehow... lets say by ring a bell as the walk along or wearing a symbol on their arm for example
308
01/04/2021 11:00:05 0 0
bbc
You're missing the point somewhat. Yes vaccinated, or not, we can still spread it. But by being vaccinated, it reduces the effect/symptoms it has on us.
02/04/2021 09:44:51 0 0
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There is no getting away from the fact that the more folk who are vaccinated the better. We can achieve vaccine herd immunity without vaccinating the few who really cannot be vaccinated. Surely a nasty disease is something we can all unite against?
6
01/04/2021 09:39:13 32 8
bbc
BECAUSE YOU CAN STILL INFECT THE VULNERABLE!!! And not all of them have been vaccinated yet

It's been a year, can you still not figure this out
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01/04/2021 09:46:02 0 0
bbc
Also only 80% of those vaccinated will be safe.
87
01/04/2021 10:05:52 2 1
bbc
Yeah we should live in caves for the rest of our lives, be fearful of something that isn't going to kill us!

Some people are unlucky, that's life. It could be any of us one day, but until that day why should we be forced to waste our lives away for literally no reason??
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01/04/2021 09:47:58 18 18
bbc
Far Left getting all excited about something that hasn't happened yet.
Sir Sneer not only has hindsight but now has foresight.
Never mind, his views are irrelevent.
73
01/04/2021 10:02:06 12 22
bbc
Seems to have you rattled. Maybe it's because he has more gravitas and credibility than Bojo.
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baz
01/04/2021 10:02:37 2 4
bbc
What's your definition of "far left" and who do you think it applies to?
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01/04/2021 10:06:36 0 1
bbc
More relevant than posts on HYS I'd say (including mine)

But he is pushing on an open door - there is no chance the Tories will impose these vaccine certifications domestically - and if they tried that attempt would fail.

For overseas travel to most places you weant to go they are likely to prove essential
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241
01/04/2021 10:45:03 1 1
bbc
Far left? Labour are centre left. The only far left party in the UK are the socialist/communist party. And only far rights were UKIP, BREXIT party or BNP but most of those have just been absorbed by the tories
01/04/2021 14:21:01 0 0
bbc
We don't have a far left in this country. We do have a far right. God if any of you actually saw a real far left government in action you would see how foolish you've been for crying wolf over Labour.
35
01/04/2021 09:52:50 7 3
bbc
So when he opposes the government he is just being awkward, unpatriotic or opposing for the sake of opposing

But when he supports them he is spineless and is just tory lite.

The man can't win
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01/04/2021 10:01:12 2 2
bbc
I didn't call him any of those things.

But looking at the electoral history of the UK over the last 42 years the only way he can take power is being 'tory lite'
Neither is taking the knee in an empty office ... apart from the press photographer, of course. Removed
72
01/04/2021 10:01:52 16 21
bbc
What?
379
01/04/2021 10:53:58 0 1
bbc
Did you miss the pathetic publicity stunt then arc? Starmer in a seemingly empty office taking the knee, empty gesture from an empy man!
70
01/04/2021 09:47:58 18 18
bbc
Far Left getting all excited about something that hasn't happened yet.
Sir Sneer not only has hindsight but now has foresight.
Never mind, his views are irrelevent.
73
01/04/2021 10:02:06 12 22
bbc
Seems to have you rattled. Maybe it's because he has more gravitas and credibility than Bojo.
301
01/04/2021 10:47:10 0 0
bbc
Meanwhile, back on Planet Earth.
70
01/04/2021 09:47:58 18 18
bbc
Far Left getting all excited about something that hasn't happened yet.
Sir Sneer not only has hindsight but now has foresight.
Never mind, his views are irrelevent.
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baz
01/04/2021 10:02:37 2 4
bbc
What's your definition of "far left" and who do you think it applies to?
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:50:57 8 6
bbc
If "vaccine passports" were introduced now it would only be the over 50s who could visit pubs.

Imagine that?

"Sorry, your only 45, you can't come in, you're not old enough!"
75
01/04/2021 10:02:43 1 1
bbc
Yup, good old discrimination becoming national policy
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01/04/2021 09:44:37 6 6
bbc
There's so many issues with this idea.

Firstly, why would any pub voluntarily limit their customer base? It seems ludicrous. Secondly, this is discriminatory to the younger generation, for whom the vaccine is not particularly essential for personally, since they may be prevented access due to the vaccine order. These young adults also faced the brunt of most of the restrictions.
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01/04/2021 10:03:41 3 2
bbc
What you talking about. The young faced the same restrictions as the rest of the population. Its true that due to their obscene sense of entitlement they feel harder done by. Also if they dont get vaccinated due to some sense of invulnerability, we will soon have new variants that avoid the vaccines and will all be back to square 1. So I think as much pressure for vaccination as poss is good.
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01/04/2021 09:46:26 6 10
bbc
Passports for pubs, your better off objecting to the UK Election Integrity Bill, which basically means,

If you’re young, if you’re a person of colour, if you’re disabled, trans or you don’t have a fixed address, you’re much less likely to have valid photo ID and could therefore be shut off from voting.

No ID, no Vote, That's Tory Democracy for you.....
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01/04/2021 10:03:46 1 1
bbc
and how it should be - if you cannot prove you have a right to vote then why should you be allowed to vote? You need proof of ID for a bank account, to get job, to prove your age in the pub, to use th library.... what is the problem here? everyone has a birth certificate.
120
01/04/2021 10:12:20 1 0
bbc
How it should be? keep falling for the Tory lies, over a quarter of the population will be dispossessed from voting.

Democracy, a system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state.

Just hand over your rights blindly, and get everything you deserve....
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:56:03 7 5
bbc
How are pub landlords expected to police their clientele?

Are they to receive special training in how to detect a false vaccine passport?

And what will the consequences be on the pubs if they fail to spot a counterfeit?

This policy has simply not been thought through but I expect that the Home Secretary will crave these additional powers.
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Bob
01/04/2021 10:03:52 4 1
bbc
It would be digital. Essentially the reverse of what we had last summer where customers checked in to venues with the app.

Here you would have venues checking you in. You would have a barcode, could be on the app or a physical document. The venue scans it, it verifies your vaccine status and your name. The venue can then check your identity with standard ID.
79
01/04/2021 10:04:24 3 4
bbc
Cpt. Hindsight strikes again
All of these comments are going to get fed into the neural network hive mind and poop out a hearts and minds solution lol
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baz
01/04/2021 10:07:56 4 1
bbc
So far, every example I've been given of Starmer's "hindsight", I have found evidence of where he made the statement before the event occurred.

That's not hindsight.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:49:23 7 7
bbc
There will be certain factions of the government who crave greater powers who will be clambering for "passports" which will be seen as a stepping stone to identity cards.

This creeping authoritarianism is deeply concerning.
80
01/04/2021 10:04:31 0 4
bbc
I cannot stand the modern Tories but this is a misrepresentation of their position. They would happily allow the hoi polloi infect each other if they could get away with it
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01/04/2021 10:04:34 6 8
bbc
The caring, sharing Conservative party.
Always looking after the less well off.
Yes it's April Fools day for all those that voted for the Con party !
????????
135
01/04/2021 10:15:23 3 1
bbc
And yet more people vote for them than any other party...strange that...!
82
01/04/2021 10:04:40 213 38
bbc
On the other hand, failing to self isolate when told to do so then having hugely intrusive societal lockdowns is very British
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01/04/2021 10:23:58 112 37
bbc
Going to Greece for 2 months to get your villa ready for letting is very British, and you can still do that now.
164
01/04/2021 10:24:54 15 21
bbc
Starmer is such a buffoon.

One minute he's saying we should've locked down x months earlier than we did, now he's saying the complete opposite: an entirely pragmatic, far less drastic/minor measure "isn't British".

You cannot have it both ways, Capt. Hindsight.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:50:57 8 6
bbc
If "vaccine passports" were introduced now it would only be the over 50s who could visit pubs.

Imagine that?

"Sorry, your only 45, you can't come in, you're not old enough!"
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Bob
01/04/2021 10:04:51 1 0
bbc
They're not being introduced now though and they've already said wouldn't exist until everyone's had the chance to be vaccinated. So a pointless comment.
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01/04/2021 10:05:19 310 200
bbc
Does anyone care what Starmer says ?

He's irrelevant, as are the Labour Party.

11 Years on the side lines just goes to prove my point
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baz
01/04/2021 10:09:35 228 102
bbc
List all the good things that have happened in the last 11 years.
115
01/04/2021 10:11:47 67 42
bbc
yes, we immediately need to move to a right wing one party state who can introduce emergency laws as they wish.
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01/04/2021 10:17:49 66 41
bbc
Yup, sure as hell care a lot more than anything Boris comes out with especially as half the time that's usually a lie
168
01/04/2021 10:26:17 32 4
bbc
Maybe not him so much, but we do need to hear common sense from the opposition
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Gio
01/04/2021 10:27:31 70 8
bbc
The Tories were on the sidelines for 13 years from 1997 to 2010.
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01/04/2021 10:37:56 20 29
bbc
No
225
01/04/2021 10:41:58 45 4
bbc
You should read the article. I don't think there is anything there that any sane person could disagree with.
265
01/04/2021 10:50:13 10 2
bbc
Well, about as much as anyone cares what YOU say :)
462
01/04/2021 11:43:58 2 4
bbc
Totally agree about the fence sitter.
474
01/04/2021 11:48:20 7 2
bbc
All it proves is how easily the average British voter can be hoodwinked.
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01/04/2021 10:05:29 27 24
bbc
Maybe if you worked in a pub Sir Kier, you'd change a bit.
Much happier knowing that the people I serve are vaccinated and less likely to carry or pass to me.
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baz
01/04/2021 10:08:48 22 3
bbc
I've worked in a pub, and there's no way in hell that a landlord will tell a local regular paying customer to go away.
108
01/04/2021 10:10:13 2 5
bbc
vaccinated can carry and pass it on still and a more likely to be asypmtomatic so highly likely it will be the vaccinated that spread it without knowing.
111
01/04/2021 10:10:49 2 5
bbc
there's no evidence yet that having a vaccine stops you carrying and transmitting the virus, only that it prevents you having severe symptoms and being hospitalised or worse. What is the point of a passport in that case?
112
01/04/2021 10:11:04 3 2
bbc
There is a view that vaccinated people can still pass it on. Scientists are still analysing this.
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01/04/2021 10:24:58 2 2
bbc
"Maybe if you worked in a pub Sir Kier, you'd change a bit."

And if you'd worked on the door of the pub you work in, you'd change a bit too.

The person who's keeping you safe is not the Govt, it's the Doorman responsible for policing this policy and his/her life will be much more dangerous as a result.
284
01/04/2021 10:55:28 2 0
bbc
For heaven's sake, read the article!!
129
01/04/2021 10:14:14 2 1
bbc
Wouldn't be Starmer if he wasn't out of step with public opinion...maybe he should take the knee again...that went down well didn't it !
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01/04/2021 09:46:02 0 0
bbc
Also only 80% of those vaccinated will be safe.
87
01/04/2021 10:05:52 2 1
bbc
Yeah we should live in caves for the rest of our lives, be fearful of something that isn't going to kill us!

Some people are unlucky, that's life. It could be any of us one day, but until that day why should we be forced to waste our lives away for literally no reason??
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bbc
Bawbag Bonking Boris friends of the Russians.
Well I suppose having a Russian name like Boris !
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01/04/2021 10:08:43 1 1
bbc
By "Russians" I assume you mean the rulers of Russia....

One dissembling populist finding much in commmon with another - quelle surprise!

Though I do not beleive Johnson disposes of opponents by poison.....
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01/04/2021 10:11:12 0 0
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Boris actually originated in Bulgaria.

The name, not the PM of course.
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01/04/2021 10:06:31 138 98
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Straight from the mouth of the man of no importance
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01/04/2021 10:10:40 100 114
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So unimportant you feel the need to post this comment?

Unless the Tories are to enjoy unending hegemony it will be a Labour leader who runs UK Govt after some future election.......
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01/04/2021 10:13:08 16 6
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You could say that of every UK politician, all parties.
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JPK
01/04/2021 10:49:03 4 6
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Are you referring to his comment or your own?
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01/04/2021 10:54:37 7 10
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In a country where insanity rules, you would be right, but I am an optimist. Starmer is not alone in talking sense.
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01/04/2021 11:48:43 5 11
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Yet here you are yet again falling over yourself to post about Starmer, just like last time, the time before that etc. It's very funny.
Neither is taking the knee in an empty office ... apart from the press photographer, of course. Removed
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01/04/2021 10:06:31 13 2
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I think he was searching for his dignity.
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01/04/2021 10:11:21 11 1
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No one ever found their dignity on the floor.
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01/04/2021 09:47:58 18 18
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Far Left getting all excited about something that hasn't happened yet.
Sir Sneer not only has hindsight but now has foresight.
Never mind, his views are irrelevent.
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01/04/2021 10:06:36 0 1
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More relevant than posts on HYS I'd say (including mine)

But he is pushing on an open door - there is no chance the Tories will impose these vaccine certifications domestically - and if they tried that attempt would fail.

For overseas travel to most places you weant to go they are likely to prove essential
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01/04/2021 10:06:42 5 4
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Not British, steady on old boy we are almost into the Soverenty Nettle Bed... You will be upsetting the Blue Passports..
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01/04/2021 10:12:03 2 1
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Woops the Hornets are out and about...
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01/04/2021 09:50:57 8 6
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If "vaccine passports" were introduced now it would only be the over 50s who could visit pubs.

Imagine that?

"Sorry, your only 45, you can't come in, you're not old enough!"
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01/04/2021 10:06:58 1 0
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great
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01/04/2021 09:37:26 16 16
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He's right. This idea is unworkable.
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01/04/2021 10:07:01 8 8
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He's wrong. This idea is workable.
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01/04/2021 10:12:42 1 1
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You are a dreamer at best.
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MVP
01/04/2021 09:44:08 13 11
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Pub passports are not British. That is correct.

And similarly the new blue UK passports will not be British either. They will be made in France.
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01/04/2021 10:07:28 6 3
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Time to move on now
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01/04/2021 10:04:24 3 4
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Cpt. Hindsight strikes again
All of these comments are going to get fed into the neural network hive mind and poop out a hearts and minds solution lol
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baz
01/04/2021 10:07:56 4 1
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So far, every example I've been given of Starmer's "hindsight", I have found evidence of where he made the statement before the event occurred.

That's not hindsight.
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01/04/2021 10:08:01 3 4
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What gets me really frustrated is this is the logic of some people when it comes to vulnerable people vs those not vulnerable:

Some people are allergic to the sun, should people who are allergic to the sun stay indoors most of the time for their safety? Yes, good idea.
Those who are not allergic to the sun and do not affect those who are allergic to the sun, should they be made to stay in too? NO
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01/04/2021 09:59:10 1 2
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You still haven't comprehended what I've said. I didn't even state "the vulnerable have now been vaccinated", I gave what is called a scenario, i.e. "IF". "If the vulnerable have been vaccinated".

That scenario could be applied 2 months from now. But you, like I said, failed to comprehend the statement I made. And along with it, anyone skimming it is now reacting negatively to the OC.

Please.
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01/04/2021 10:08:07 2 2
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I have, you're just wrong.

Why can't you comprehend what i've said to your original point. Not all the vulnerable have been vaccinated so your plan of "all the vulnerable have been vaccinated so lets just open up because I'm safe" doesnt work because all aren't vaccinated and even if they were only 62% or so are actually protected.
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01/04/2021 10:12:31 1 3
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OK, imagine this wild idea, the date is now September 2021, and the scenario has changed (wow, incredible concept, right?!)

IF THE VULNERABLE HAVE BEEN VACCINATED.

IF. THE FUTURE. DIFFERENT SCENARIO. NOT TODAY. NOT YESTERDAY. THE FUTURE. DIFFERENT SITUATION.

So after we have another 30 million vaccinations then what?

I'm out, this is quite frankly an unbelievably ridiculous conversation.
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01/04/2021 10:27:23 1 2
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Additionally, I just thought I'd leave these here so you can understand the matter in more depth.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/if
https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/if

Thank you too, for ruining the original comment by your misinterpretation and causing everyone else to assume an incorrect meaning, it's much appreciated.
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01/04/2021 09:57:28 155 58
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Yes, vaccine Passports are against British instincts in the same way taking off one's muddy shoes before entering someone-else's home is against British instincts. Much better to tread the mud all over your friends' carpets. Myself, I prefer the culture of respecting others and their property, by taking simple and sensible precautions that require little or no effort on my part.
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01/04/2021 10:08:08 72 79
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Should all contagious and transmissable diseases be included? HIV, STDs, MRSA and many many more that can pass from person to person without direct interaction just through poor hygene?
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01/04/2021 10:13:07 27 2
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It easier to avoid the diseases you mention when out shopping.
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01/04/2021 10:39:06 35 9
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Two of the 3 diseases you mention need human contact. So all in all a totally inane comment.
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01/04/2021 10:44:57 23 3
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My apologies you need direct contact for all 3 diseases you have mentioned. So again a totally pointless comment.
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01/04/2021 12:41:28 17 1
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Be sensible, you are not going to catch HIV or an STD by breathing whilst in a pub. You could catch this dangerous and easily spread disease.
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LH
01/04/2021 12:55:56 10 0
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HIV, may I add, is NOT preventable by wearing a mask!!
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01/04/2021 13:05:36 8 0
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All are already recorded on your medical record and are the type of thing preventing you from donating blood...

so we sort of already have one in a very specific situation
01/04/2021 14:20:47 4 0
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STD. Unless the acronym is wrong, direct interaction of some sort seems necessary. ;)
01/04/2021 14:48:12 3 1
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Absolutely! Parents didn't get you the MMR jab, get lost! Measles is back because of them. Also, parents who haven't sorted out the chicken pox jab, home school, don't scar my children. Think it through before you establish a precedent and principle people just because you have to wait two months for a pint.
02/04/2021 12:06:03 1 0
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Absolutely yes.
02/04/2021 12:37:33 0 0
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Nope. Just Covid. That’s the one that’s out of control and is a risk to the everyone on the planet. It’s been on the news quite a lot.
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01/04/2021 10:08:23 15 6
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I don't mind having a piece of paper but I object to the increasing amount of digital surveillance in ever more aspects of our lives. I know that my biometric facial data is already on a database somewhere because I have a passport and it worries me who has access to it and how it is used. None of this is very transparent. Will we still have GDPR rights going forward?
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01/04/2021 10:14:22 13 3
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This is of course one of the most important reasons why we need an occassional change of Government.
The longer the Tories (or any other single party) rule, the more danger of this being put in place.

On GDPR - this is a bit of a nightmare & does not really do the job intended. It needs simplification & enforcement
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01/04/2021 10:16:08 4 1
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"Will we still have GDPR rights going forward?"

No the Govt was very clear during the Brexit negotiation that it wanted to change GDPR laws as part of "taking back control".

It hasn't said what these changes will be but they'll be better because we have "taken back control".

So companies have to prepare for new legislation without knowing what it will be - sound familiar in Brexit Britain?
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01/04/2021 11:26:07 5 0
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That’s nothing compared to the vast amount of personal data freely given by people to American corporations such as Google, Amazon and Facebook.
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01/04/2021 12:26:32 3 0
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What are you doing that makes you think that anyone is remotely interested in surveilling you?
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01/04/2021 13:14:11 0 0
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I'm not really bothered what info on me is held as long as its secure and most importantly accurate!! Had a nightmare with NHS last year cause some idiot had written the wrong medical condition on my admittance record and they wouldn't remove it!!