Climate change: Net zero targets are 'pie in the sky'
01/04/2021 | news | science | 472
Indian minister lashes out at plans to cut emissions dramatically over the next three decades.
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01/04/2021 10:02:58 3 4
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A large pie in the sky - that might actually work! Lower the temperature on the planet surface - or as we scientists call it "the ground". Just when we all thought the descent into catastrophe was underway and irreversible, along comes this Indian pie idea - there is yet hope!
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01/04/2021 10:03:20 1 2
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Cuckoo!
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01/04/2021 10:08:36 9 1
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So one of the countries with the most to lose says it will not change.

Time to think about the effect on the UK and plan to deal with the change as its obvious we alone cannot stop it.
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01/04/2021 12:53:21 2 2
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No-one can stop it alone and practically every country has the most to lose. Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you are under the impression the the UK is doing more to solve the problem than India. Maybe you should re-read and let in sink in that the average Brit consumes more than the average Indian. That's the big point this Indian minister was making.
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01/04/2021 18:51:16 0 0
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We need to become less reliant on India as at some stage they will implode. They have been draining their aquifers at an astounding rate, it cant last.
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01/04/2021 10:08:42 38 8
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"India, the world's fourth largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club."

And therein lies the real problem. While large countries are not willing to do their bit, the rest of us occasionally walking to the shops rather than taking the car aren't really making that much difference.
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01/04/2021 10:36:44 35 8
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Most Indians don't have cars but they do produce a lot of the goods you buy. "fourth largest emitter" yes, but what is the per capita? The carbon footprint of your average Indian is a fraction of that of "1st World" people.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:37:15 7 4
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Except that countries like India and China are leading the world charge in greening: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30778399/
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/10/1074552
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01/04/2021 11:02:07 12 0
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Emissions per capita in the UK are considerably worse than in India.
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01/04/2021 12:38:27 1 1
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So you have a car, use it regularly, presumably buy plenty of stuff from the shops (and have presumably consumed a vaccine considering your trolling name) and yet you complain about having to wait on Indians who on average consume far less, before you up your personal contribution to tackling the problem?
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Pip
01/04/2021 13:57:43 1 0
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Keeps the waistline down......?
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01/04/2021 10:13:10 71 6
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The whole problem with this zero net carbon thing is that it is all based on offsets. It requires the new planting of things like trees on a vast scale then for those areas to be permanently set aside.

Its a system incredibly vulnerable to fraud and tricks and deceit. A recipe for an illusion of progress on carbon that almost guarantees actual eventual failure.
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01/04/2021 10:33:37 3 42
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Bless.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:35:44 20 0
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You hit the nail on the head. Carbon offsetting is not the same as zero emission.
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01/04/2021 12:42:24 18 0
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We could fund solar farms in Rajasthan, which is a large enough desert area to power the whole of India, with pump storage in the Himalayas. Solar in Rajasthan would be less than $ 0.04 ( 4 cents) per Kwh.
That is what offsetting is about, large scale projects that stop coal powered stations from being built and if built make them uneconomic to run.
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01/04/2021 16:54:47 0 0
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' It requires the new planting of things like trees on a vast scale then for those areas to be permanently set aside. '

This sounds like a good idea to me! Reforesting can recreate whole ecosystems. If necessary they can be protected by a system of international inspection.

Of course, offsetting takes many forms. Please see the Climate Stewards site:

https://www.climatestewards.org/
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01/04/2021 18:02:27 0 1
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Indeed we should be net zero immediately and mandate actual zero by 2050. We need to stop trading with those countries that don't meet milestones to zero 2050.
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02/04/2021 04:17:01 2 0
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Quite correct.
Carbon trading and offsets are a confidence trick.
Making some people a lot of money though.
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02/04/2021 09:14:32 0 0
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Good point about offsets - were that the only solution, we might despair. I disagree with your 'all based on' claim. Technologies reducing or eliminating carbon include waste-to-energy generation, clean hydrogen production and biomanufacturing. These developing carbon-zero or carbon-negative technologies are being advanced by several companies and universities in the UK and elsewhere.
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02/04/2021 15:37:00 0 0
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The only sustainable solution is to reduce the worldwide human population to less then 4 billion people.

Sounds drastic, but in reality if every person on ther planet committed to NOT having more then 2 children it would be relatively easy to achieve.

Of course people simply will not do that, so we'll just end up burming our plant to a cinder one way or another.
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01/04/2021 10:14:13 19 8
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Typical! You had 200 years of empire and colonialism and now it's our turn at the forefront! Let's not learn from the past, just make the same mistakes again. Retribution feels soooo good, even if you do cut off your nose to spite your face!! Oh and while we're at it lets have lots of children and take over by sheer weight of numbers. Problem solved! Simples!!
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01/04/2021 17:35:58 1 7
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Denying electrification to the developing world is the goal of the green lunatics and is fundamentally racist.
And the deluded Malthusians ignore the reality that urbanisation is the key to population control and environmental protection.
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01/04/2021 10:18:53 4 6
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We would have done a far better job of helping the climate if we hadn’t had lockdown anywhere and not made a vaccine......... reducing the world population by 5 billion would only take it back to 1940s level !
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Rob
01/04/2021 11:01:32 2 1
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I take it then that you are quite prepared to see members of your own family die for the Earth’s benefit?
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01/04/2021 13:24:25 0 0
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Take care what you wish for, Covid is far from over yet...
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01/04/2021 10:20:19 14 12
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When I see the progress made in EU countries such as new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc. and I look at the UK and Boris saying we are world leading country in climate change just makes me laugh.
The UK needs to do more before it starts preaching to other countries
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01/04/2021 10:32:22 8 10
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Lets face it, the reason BoJo and the ERG wanted to leave the EU was to be able to keep their tax havens and to also bs about climate etc.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:57:59 6 2
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OTH, countries like Germany are importing Fossil fuel energy big time and are fixated on being anti Nuclear.

And btw, Wind and Solar will not fix Europe's Energy requirements. Read Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air by the late Cambridge Prof. MacKay.
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01/04/2021 11:03:11 1 5
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+ the UK just opened a new coal mine...
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01/04/2021 11:45:48 0 0
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When I see the farce of moving their parliament every month with a 10,000 CO2 footprint pa
When I see their anti competition laws which mean solar, smart materials & insulation are taxed at the same VAT rate as fossil fuel products
I know thee EU talk a good game but in reality are just useless on 'green' issues & a bunch of hypocrites
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01/04/2021 17:01:32 0 0
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Coal-fired power stations:
UK - 3
Germany - 40
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01/04/2021 10:20:50 5 7
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Maybe boycotting their products might help them change their ways if enough countries do it ..nothing gets the attention than lack of income
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01/04/2021 10:30:39 3 6
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Maybe the "first world" should address the problem it caused and now blames the 3rd Word.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:54:31 3 1
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LoL. Hey remember Brexit the stuff you keep going on about? If you "boycott their products" where are you going to export to mate?
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FH
01/04/2021 10:24:12 2 6
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Well the Indian minister is selfish.
use ECOSIA as your search engine. As you search the internet with ecosia, you plant tropical trees to stop climate change. help it get to 1000,000,000 trees ASAP. Puts its APP on your mobile or make it default on your computer.
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01/04/2021 10:29:06 2 1
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Wrong and correct. He simply stated facts, facts "first world" countries try to sweep under the carpet. Facts that expose hypocrisy.
Ecosia is good, I have been using it for years and I also use Qwant
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01/04/2021 10:30:45 2 1
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The actual amount of trees needed globally is about 1 trillion extra every ten years. That land must then remain permanently as forest.

In other words a better solution is needed to actually stop or slow climate change. A start would be a global switch to nuclear power.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:34:18 3 1
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India and China plant far more trees than we do in Western Europe.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

The Indian minister is not selfish: his comment relates to carbon offsetting.
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01/04/2021 10:27:03 8 8
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Thank you, Raj Kumar Singh, for telling it like it is. Such honesty and candor from a politician is a refreshing change.
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01/04/2021 18:18:37 0 0
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To be honest he's making it sound like developing nations will use fossil fuels to spite those developed nations who got there first, they're willing making the same dirty energy mistakes as we did to get back at us.
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01/04/2021 10:28:55 10 7
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Let climate change happen, it will bring our numbers down to a more manageable eco-impact level.
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01/04/2021 10:45:00 8 1
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By destroying the environment first!!

Not a great plan.
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Rob
01/04/2021 11:00:15 2 3
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I take it then you are quite prepared to see members of your own family die for the benefit of the Earth?
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01/04/2021 16:57:28 0 0
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Yep, let's party like it's 1999 baby!
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01/04/2021 18:12:58 0 0
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You won't survive it either.
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01/04/2021 10:29:04 22 0
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In a utopian world, countries would all act together early on (if it were possible) to prevent a disaster whether this be natural or man-made.

In the real world, countries / Governments will not do this and will only respond when many people are dying and it takes many times the effort and money to resolve the problem.
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01/04/2021 13:42:25 8 3
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It'll be too late then with methane releases from beneath melted ice in Siberia. A cubic metre of methane has 80 times the warming effect of a cubic metre of carbon dioxide.
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FH
01/04/2021 10:24:12 2 6
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Well the Indian minister is selfish.
use ECOSIA as your search engine. As you search the internet with ecosia, you plant tropical trees to stop climate change. help it get to 1000,000,000 trees ASAP. Puts its APP on your mobile or make it default on your computer.
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01/04/2021 10:29:06 2 1
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Wrong and correct. He simply stated facts, facts "first world" countries try to sweep under the carpet. Facts that expose hypocrisy.
Ecosia is good, I have been using it for years and I also use Qwant
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FH
01/04/2021 16:51:04 0 0
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just looked at Qwant. Ecosia is better. it plants tropical trees as you search. Try it. it is secure safe. The tree APP is less good as it does not show you how many trees are planted.
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TG
01/04/2021 10:29:43 1 8
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So long as nobody seriously investigates how much CO2 is produced by nature itself, we will never know how far anthropogenic production is, or isn't, a problem.

https://theconversation.com/climate-explained-why-carbon-dioxide-has-such-outsized-influence-on-earths-climate-123064
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01/04/2021 10:44:10 6 1
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We know nature's output accurately.
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01/04/2021 11:06:08 1 0
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What a load of +++++++++
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01/04/2021 11:18:51 0 0
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It is probably true that you will never know because you haven't taken the time and effort to educate yourself properly on the subject. Fortunately, there are numerous highly qualified people who have demonstrated unequivocally that anthropgenic production of CO2 is a highly significant problem
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01/04/2021 10:20:50 5 7
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Maybe boycotting their products might help them change their ways if enough countries do it ..nothing gets the attention than lack of income
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01/04/2021 10:30:39 3 6
bbc
Maybe the "first world" should address the problem it caused and now blames the 3rd Word.
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FH
01/04/2021 10:24:12 2 6
bbc
Well the Indian minister is selfish.
use ECOSIA as your search engine. As you search the internet with ecosia, you plant tropical trees to stop climate change. help it get to 1000,000,000 trees ASAP. Puts its APP on your mobile or make it default on your computer.
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01/04/2021 10:30:45 2 1
bbc
The actual amount of trees needed globally is about 1 trillion extra every ten years. That land must then remain permanently as forest.

In other words a better solution is needed to actually stop or slow climate change. A start would be a global switch to nuclear power.
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FH
01/04/2021 16:44:26 0 0
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Planting 1 trillion trees, 1000,000,000,000 tropical trees ASAP will help the problem a lot.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:32:18 14 5
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The irony is according NASA anyway that India and China lead the way n the greening of the earth: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

“China and India account for one-third of the greening, but contain only 9 percent of the planet’s land area covered in vegetation,"
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01/04/2021 11:49:08 3 2
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"The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais; “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”"

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
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01/04/2021 12:51:32 2 3
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Not strictly true, they are both building more coal power stations than the renewables. Ratio vs absolute.

Issue with the Indian sub continent power generation is that the soot will travel north to the Himalayas. Soot will cause the snow to melt faster, and hopefully if the research is concluded this year will explain why sub-freezing snow in melting at very high altitude.
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01/04/2021 10:20:19 14 12
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When I see the progress made in EU countries such as new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc. and I look at the UK and Boris saying we are world leading country in climate change just makes me laugh.
The UK needs to do more before it starts preaching to other countries
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01/04/2021 10:32:22 8 10
bbc
Lets face it, the reason BoJo and the ERG wanted to leave the EU was to be able to keep their tax havens and to also bs about climate etc.
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01/04/2021 10:13:10 71 6
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The whole problem with this zero net carbon thing is that it is all based on offsets. It requires the new planting of things like trees on a vast scale then for those areas to be permanently set aside.

Its a system incredibly vulnerable to fraud and tricks and deceit. A recipe for an illusion of progress on carbon that almost guarantees actual eventual failure.
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01/04/2021 10:33:37 3 42
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Bless.
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Pip
01/04/2021 13:54:32 7 0
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Looks like you're 'wong'...........?
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FH
01/04/2021 10:24:12 2 6
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Well the Indian minister is selfish.
use ECOSIA as your search engine. As you search the internet with ecosia, you plant tropical trees to stop climate change. help it get to 1000,000,000 trees ASAP. Puts its APP on your mobile or make it default on your computer.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:34:18 3 1
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India and China plant far more trees than we do in Western Europe.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

The Indian minister is not selfish: his comment relates to carbon offsetting.
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FH
01/04/2021 16:43:44 0 0
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His comments are a stupid thing to say
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01/04/2021 10:13:10 71 6
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The whole problem with this zero net carbon thing is that it is all based on offsets. It requires the new planting of things like trees on a vast scale then for those areas to be permanently set aside.

Its a system incredibly vulnerable to fraud and tricks and deceit. A recipe for an illusion of progress on carbon that almost guarantees actual eventual failure.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:35:44 20 0
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You hit the nail on the head. Carbon offsetting is not the same as zero emission.
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01/04/2021 12:33:47 2 7
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Zero emission is an even bigger pie in the sky, as who wants to stop breathing for a start, so better offsetting is the only way forward. But agreed the problem then is fraud and accounting only real offsetting.
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02/04/2021 11:04:25 2 0
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There's no such thing as zero emission because there are always emissions somewhere in the supply chain. Net zero means that someone somewhere has offset or used carbon trading. I followed a "net zero" taxi for miles in a traffic jam. It is greenwash. Carbon trading excuses developed nations from making real changes while preventing developing countries from growth.
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01/04/2021 10:08:42 38 8
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"India, the world's fourth largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club."

And therein lies the real problem. While large countries are not willing to do their bit, the rest of us occasionally walking to the shops rather than taking the car aren't really making that much difference.
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01/04/2021 10:36:44 35 8
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Most Indians don't have cars but they do produce a lot of the goods you buy. "fourth largest emitter" yes, but what is the per capita? The carbon footprint of your average Indian is a fraction of that of "1st World" people.
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01/04/2021 15:42:59 5 0
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It's actually worse than that. India (or China) may emit the CO2, but if they're doing so in the process of making goods which they then sell to us in the West, shouldn't that CO2 debit go on our account, not theirs?
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02/04/2021 06:28:36 0 0
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Yes, currently....but in 20 years?
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02/04/2021 07:43:59 0 0
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Would I be wrong in thinking that nations closer to the equator have less need for the space heating needed in cooler climates? If I'm not wrong, then the per capita comparison ignores at least one significant factor.

I think Mr Singh is being upfront, though blindly following "the 1st world" that got so many things badly wrong seems unintelligent and narrow.
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02/04/2021 18:15:28 0 0
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Per capita is meaningless with regard to climate change (Previously Global warming!)- The total amount produced is all that matters. Some countries need energy and lots of it in order to provide for their people so should not be criticized. Anyway nothing we do will change things. Mother nature will decide.
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01/04/2021 10:08:42 38 8
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"India, the world's fourth largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club."

And therein lies the real problem. While large countries are not willing to do their bit, the rest of us occasionally walking to the shops rather than taking the car aren't really making that much difference.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:37:15 7 4
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Except that countries like India and China are leading the world charge in greening: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30778399/
https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/10/1074552
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01/04/2021 10:37:38 53 4
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"poor nations want to continue using fossil fuels and the rich countries "can't stop it""
A welcome bit of honesty which highlights the problem - conflict of interests
Until world leaders recognise climate change as a shared problem, & admit the problem outweighs national economic/political aims & issues, we won't have meaningful agreement on how to address climate change
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:43:33 34 3
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I agree the problem with this area is the lack of honesty. IMO carbon offsets are not solving the problem. Countries like China na d India are greening at a faster rate than anywhere else on earth.

The book by the ) Cambridge Regius Prof Mcakay, who passed away, Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air is an eye opener.

Countries like Germany don't help with the anti-Nuclear energy fixation.
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01/04/2021 10:57:06 2 3
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I mean, as long as well stick to our on targets and those who do not wish to aid the planet do not, we have a clear indicator of who is not playing ball and have a clear target ourselves for sanctions... They'll fall in line pretty damn quickly.
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Pip
01/04/2021 13:55:49 0 1
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Bye, bye world..........?
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02/04/2021 10:21:47 0 0
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sorry but rich countries certainly can help stop it if India suddenly found it could no0t sell anything outside its own borders you can be very certain they would do something about it. but in reality its just the rich few in India who want to keep on taking just like tories over here
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01/04/2021 10:08:36 9 1
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So one of the countries with the most to lose says it will not change.

Time to think about the effect on the UK and plan to deal with the change as its obvious we alone cannot stop it.
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01/04/2021 12:39:09 3 0
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Amy, almost all of India's "greening" is dues to an expansion of agriculture to feed its expanding population. India's "greening" is a sign of increasing CO2 because more people = more CO2. By your logic if we filled up the world with rice paddies to feed a population boom then global warming will cease?? Don't think so!
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Rob
01/04/2021 10:40:28 2 5
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Mr Singh was brave and honest to point to the elephant in the room; so much of the current thinking on climate change is not backed up by convincing evidence. And while the world’s major polluters are not signed up to a plan then our pathetic little attempts to “be green” here in the UK won’t make a blind bit of difference.
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01/04/2021 10:52:56 6 0
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"..current thinking on climate change is not backed up by convincing evidence."
Explain what you mean by this please.
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01/04/2021 10:55:58 2 1
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Pathetic attempts? What being the 4th ranking greenest country in the world? The fact you're saying here in the UK and you haven't even bothered to check your own countries global standing is laughable. Shame on you, DO BETTER.
How come we cant discuss the major topics of the day like that race report released by the government?
Though i have had my comments deleted about 20 times now i do wonder if the beeb will leave this comment up and tell me why we cant discuss
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:45:19 6 0
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Off topic - against house rules.

The issue here dishonesty about Green policies and Climate change.
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01/04/2021 10:53:33 6 1
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Made up name just like your made up concerns. It's not your prerogative to decide what is valid discussion points that will not instigate arguments, troll posting or radicalism seeping into the HYS section.

If your comments are removed, revise your understanding of the rules. This discussion is about the worlds political instructions set up to tackle the warming planet, leave race out of it.
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01/04/2021 10:37:38 53 4
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"poor nations want to continue using fossil fuels and the rich countries "can't stop it""
A welcome bit of honesty which highlights the problem - conflict of interests
Until world leaders recognise climate change as a shared problem, & admit the problem outweighs national economic/political aims & issues, we won't have meaningful agreement on how to address climate change
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:43:33 34 3
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I agree the problem with this area is the lack of honesty. IMO carbon offsets are not solving the problem. Countries like China na d India are greening at a faster rate than anywhere else on earth.

The book by the ) Cambridge Regius Prof Mcakay, who passed away, Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air is an eye opener.

Countries like Germany don't help with the anti-Nuclear energy fixation.
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01/04/2021 14:11:53 3 3
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Yes, Prof David McKay did wonderful work: http://withouthotair.com/

Love to see his work updated, as when I ran the number on Wind & Solar it results in TWh of storage that is needed to cope with the intermittency issues.

Sadly, the eco-zealots dismiss his work as heretical
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01/04/2021 14:26:31 1 8
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I cannot believe that people are prepared to leave our nuclear waste for generations over the next 20000 years to manage. Deeply immoral
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01/04/2021 18:07:55 4 1
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Yep. A common misconception upon many on this country and on this HYS is that China, India etc. Are not doing anything about Climate Change (which as you stated is clearly not the case), so therefore it is acceptable for us to not do anything either.

The way forwards at the moment is a Nuclear + Renewable sourced energy mix. Can't be too dependent on one or the other as they have their issues.
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02/04/2021 15:31:04 0 0
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unfortunately the scientific community is in such a bad place now it does not have the talent to look where the real solution to human need for energy lies nature has already provided the most efficient machinery known and universities are wasting their time attempting to blame co2 for a rise in average temperatures nobody would notice but for the squealing , time for some real work
How come we cant discuss the major topics of the day like that race report released by the government?
Though i have had my comments deleted about 20 times now i do wonder if the beeb will leave this comment up and tell me why we cant discuss
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:45:19 6 0
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Off topic - against house rules.

The issue here dishonesty about Green policies and Climate change.
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01/04/2021 10:50:31 2 6
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I fully understand but seeing how Auntie likes to open comments on some subjects and close comments on others it makes me wonder why iam paying this corporation my money. As a paying customer i want some answers and not have my comments blocked like iam a yelp customer saying bad things about a restaurant.
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:45:19 6 0
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Off topic - against house rules.

The issue here dishonesty about Green policies and Climate change.
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01/04/2021 10:50:31 2 6
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I fully understand but seeing how Auntie likes to open comments on some subjects and close comments on others it makes me wonder why iam paying this corporation my money. As a paying customer i want some answers and not have my comments blocked like iam a yelp customer saying bad things about a restaurant.
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01/04/2021 10:51:17 22 1
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Most people are only interested in one thing - themselves. They make make noises about the environment to increase their own apparent importance, but they won't do anything that impacts on them personally. Read today's article re people with Covid symptoms not self-isolating - just further confirmation.
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01/04/2021 12:24:10 13 1
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If over 25% of the planet have already decided they won't be playing in the game, "net zero" is like fantasy football.

Worthy though it is as an aspiration, it simply won't happen unless a big stick is used effectively.
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Rob
01/04/2021 10:40:28 2 5
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Mr Singh was brave and honest to point to the elephant in the room; so much of the current thinking on climate change is not backed up by convincing evidence. And while the world’s major polluters are not signed up to a plan then our pathetic little attempts to “be green” here in the UK won’t make a blind bit of difference.
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01/04/2021 10:52:56 6 0
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"..current thinking on climate change is not backed up by convincing evidence."
Explain what you mean by this please.
How come we cant discuss the major topics of the day like that race report released by the government?
Though i have had my comments deleted about 20 times now i do wonder if the beeb will leave this comment up and tell me why we cant discuss
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01/04/2021 10:53:33 6 1
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Made up name just like your made up concerns. It's not your prerogative to decide what is valid discussion points that will not instigate arguments, troll posting or radicalism seeping into the HYS section.

If your comments are removed, revise your understanding of the rules. This discussion is about the worlds political instructions set up to tackle the warming planet, leave race out of it.
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01/04/2021 10:20:50 5 7
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Maybe boycotting their products might help them change their ways if enough countries do it ..nothing gets the attention than lack of income
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:54:31 3 1
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LoL. Hey remember Brexit the stuff you keep going on about? If you "boycott their products" where are you going to export to mate?
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01/04/2021 10:55:48 1 4
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Profit before all things and to the bitter, ugly, painful end

... the Midas pandemic will do for us all
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01/04/2021 10:40:28 2 5
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Mr Singh was brave and honest to point to the elephant in the room; so much of the current thinking on climate change is not backed up by convincing evidence. And while the world’s major polluters are not signed up to a plan then our pathetic little attempts to “be green” here in the UK won’t make a blind bit of difference.
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01/04/2021 10:55:58 2 1
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Pathetic attempts? What being the 4th ranking greenest country in the world? The fact you're saying here in the UK and you haven't even bothered to check your own countries global standing is laughable. Shame on you, DO BETTER.
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01/04/2021 10:53:33 6 1
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Made up name just like your made up concerns. It's not your prerogative to decide what is valid discussion points that will not instigate arguments, troll posting or radicalism seeping into the HYS section.

If your comments are removed, revise your understanding of the rules. This discussion is about the worlds political instructions set up to tackle the warming planet, leave race out of it.
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01/04/2021 10:37:38 53 4
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"poor nations want to continue using fossil fuels and the rich countries "can't stop it""
A welcome bit of honesty which highlights the problem - conflict of interests
Until world leaders recognise climate change as a shared problem, & admit the problem outweighs national economic/political aims & issues, we won't have meaningful agreement on how to address climate change
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01/04/2021 10:57:06 2 3
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I mean, as long as well stick to our on targets and those who do not wish to aid the planet do not, we have a clear indicator of who is not playing ball and have a clear target ourselves for sanctions... They'll fall in line pretty damn quickly.
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When I see the progress made in EU countries such as new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc. and I look at the UK and Boris saying we are world leading country in climate change just makes me laugh.
The UK needs to do more before it starts preaching to other countries
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:57:59 6 2
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OTH, countries like Germany are importing Fossil fuel energy big time and are fixated on being anti Nuclear.

And btw, Wind and Solar will not fix Europe's Energy requirements. Read Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air by the late Cambridge Prof. MacKay.
How come we cant discuss the major topics of the day like that race report released by the government?
Though i have had my comments deleted about 20 times now i do wonder if the beeb will leave this comment up and tell me why we cant discuss
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TG
01/04/2021 10:29:43 1 8
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So long as nobody seriously investigates how much CO2 is produced by nature itself, we will never know how far anthropogenic production is, or isn't, a problem.

https://theconversation.com/climate-explained-why-carbon-dioxide-has-such-outsized-influence-on-earths-climate-123064
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01/04/2021 10:44:10 6 1
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We know nature's output accurately.
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01/04/2021 10:28:55 10 7
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Let climate change happen, it will bring our numbers down to a more manageable eco-impact level.
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01/04/2021 10:45:00 8 1
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By destroying the environment first!!

Not a great plan.
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01/04/2021 11:09:08 2 3
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It won't be destroyed, you underestimate nature. We can't go on doubling the world population every 50 years without there being even more disastrous consequences, a global nuclear war over the fight for ever dwindling resources to service an ever expanding population will be far more calamitous.
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01/04/2021 11:02:57 7 1
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You have your posts removed because you refuse to read the rules of the HYS section, it's really straight forward pal. Good luck getting your rebate on your mandatory license fee, frankly I'm glad you paid so our children had extra education during the lockdown.

Grow the hell up, sit down, shut up and get on with life.
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01/04/2021 10:28:55 10 7
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Let climate change happen, it will bring our numbers down to a more manageable eco-impact level.
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Rob
01/04/2021 11:00:15 2 3
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I take it then you are quite prepared to see members of your own family die for the benefit of the Earth?
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01/04/2021 11:10:49 2 1
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I'd rather see some of them die than all of them, that's the choice we face.
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01/04/2021 16:58:38 0 0
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They won't be around to see member so their own family die - any dying is many generations off in the future.
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01/04/2021 18:57:54 0 0
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When you see that the probable IPCC forecasts arent too bad then your alarmism is based on zero-science.

Add in the magnification of issues with GCM then your view becomes even more extreme.

Any issues can be mitigated, as long as the eco-zealots dont stop progress.
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01/04/2021 11:01:17 1 1
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The UK hosting that event just as the UK opened a new coal mine... You just can't make it up.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 1 0
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I think that plan has been shelved after the criticism. Though I can't see that they have ruled out quietly unshelving it after the summit
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01/04/2021 12:30:24 0 0
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Event being hosted in Scotland as part of the U.K, which hopes to pay more than lip service to climate change :-

file:///D:/Downloads/Corrected+-+Scotland+Energy+Statistics+Q4+2020+-+25+March+2021%20(2).pdf

from

https://www.gov.scot/publications/quarterly-energy-statistics-bulletins/

Coal mine in Cumbria at planning stage, not opened as you suggest, most of its production will go to Germany.
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01/04/2021 10:18:53 4 6
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We would have done a far better job of helping the climate if we hadn’t had lockdown anywhere and not made a vaccine......... reducing the world population by 5 billion would only take it back to 1940s level !
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01/04/2021 11:01:32 2 1
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I take it then that you are quite prepared to see members of your own family die for the Earth’s benefit?
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01/04/2021 10:08:42 38 8
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"India, the world's fourth largest emitter, doesn't seem keen to join the club."

And therein lies the real problem. While large countries are not willing to do their bit, the rest of us occasionally walking to the shops rather than taking the car aren't really making that much difference.
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Emissions per capita in the UK are considerably worse than in India.
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01/04/2021 16:48:28 4 3
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Climate change doesn't recognise "per capita", just total emissions.
Oh look i got banned does that mean i get a rebate on my TV license? Removed
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01/04/2021 11:02:57 7 1
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You have your posts removed because you refuse to read the rules of the HYS section, it's really straight forward pal. Good luck getting your rebate on your mandatory license fee, frankly I'm glad you paid so our children had extra education during the lockdown.

Grow the hell up, sit down, shut up and get on with life.
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01/04/2021 11:06:02 1 3
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So says the guy who wasted his time to comment. Its OK whiteknighting for the BBC gets you a rebate of about 50 pence.
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I enjoyed reading that comment
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01/04/2021 11:09:59 1 4
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Happy Aprils Fools iam actually the director general of the BBC
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01/04/2021 10:20:19 14 12
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When I see the progress made in EU countries such as new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc. and I look at the UK and Boris saying we are world leading country in climate change just makes me laugh.
The UK needs to do more before it starts preaching to other countries
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01/04/2021 11:03:11 1 5
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+ the UK just opened a new coal mine...
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01/04/2021 17:02:20 0 0
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Coking coal, not power generation coal - very different.
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01/04/2021 11:03:12 1 5
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Bjorn Lomberg made a recent presentation highlighting the latest full UN Climate Panel report which estimates the total cost of climate change. Unmitigated climate change will reduce each person’s income by between 0.2 and 2 per cent. Given that the UN expects each person on the planet to be much better off – 363 per cent as wealthy as today – climate might cause us to only be 356 per cent.
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01/04/2021 11:02:57 7 1
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You have your posts removed because you refuse to read the rules of the HYS section, it's really straight forward pal. Good luck getting your rebate on your mandatory license fee, frankly I'm glad you paid so our children had extra education during the lockdown.

Grow the hell up, sit down, shut up and get on with life.
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01/04/2021 11:06:02 1 3
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So says the guy who wasted his time to comment. Its OK whiteknighting for the BBC gets you a rebate of about 50 pence.
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TG
01/04/2021 10:29:43 1 8
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So long as nobody seriously investigates how much CO2 is produced by nature itself, we will never know how far anthropogenic production is, or isn't, a problem.

https://theconversation.com/climate-explained-why-carbon-dioxide-has-such-outsized-influence-on-earths-climate-123064
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01/04/2021 11:06:08 1 0
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What a load of +++++++++
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01/04/2021 11:08:38 0 1
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Another example of 'Pathocratic infection'
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01/04/2021 10:45:00 8 1
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By destroying the environment first!!

Not a great plan.
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01/04/2021 11:09:08 2 3
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It won't be destroyed, you underestimate nature. We can't go on doubling the world population every 50 years without there being even more disastrous consequences, a global nuclear war over the fight for ever dwindling resources to service an ever expanding population will be far more calamitous.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 0 8
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"Scientists say that in 10 years....."

Problem is that scientists have been making claims since the 70s and a lot haven't come true. People have stopped believing them.

E.g. 20 years ago they said "snow in the UK is now a thing of the past". Not "will be", notice, but "is". 20 years pass, the world gets allegedly warmer and still we have snow in winter, quite a lot in 2018 and again in 2020.

??
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01/04/2021 11:13:54 5 0
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I don't think there were many scientists pubishing papers claiming snow was a thing of the past 20 years ago. You also make one false assumption in judging science by past mistakes: the whole point about science is that it constantly progresses and improves itself, unlike politics.
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01/04/2021 11:17:06 4 3
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I'm getting tired of these 'less economically developed countries' moaning about the 'rich West'. Why don't they start by reducing their own corruption, educate themselves, rid themselves of superstitious and damaging social customs and organise themselves to make the most of their abundant resources instead of languishing in the dark ages and blaming everyone else? That might be a start.
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01/04/2021 11:20:00 3 0
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The fact that the world is getting warmer is well documented. Anyone who doesn't understand this at this point is wilfully ignorant. Why don't you point to the source where actual scientists said, "snow is a thing of the past"? Incidentally, UK snowfall has consistently reduced in recent years.
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01/04/2021 11:21:13 1 0
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It's certainly true that reliable white winters ARE a thing of the past in many regions. Climate science was in its infancy in the 70s, but climate models since then have been highly accurate. Cold *weather* still happens in a warming *climate*, as I had to point out ad nauseam during a recent cold snap. Especially when it's brought upon us by unusually warm air over the Arctic!
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01/04/2021 11:37:02 0 0
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Not sure anyone with a climate science training said snow 'is or will be' a thing of the past'. They might have said the probability of getting regular snowfall every winter will be very much reduced in a warmer world in 20 years time. As to your statement 'the world gets allegedly warmer' do have a look at and carefully digest:

https://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/
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01/04/2021 16:43:35 1 0
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Here's the article. UK climate scientists. Since then we've had 20 years more warming and Scotland had some of it's best ever ski conditions. And this isn't the only doomful prediction that hasn't come true.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150912124604/http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
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01/04/2021 11:01:17 1 1
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The UK hosting that event just as the UK opened a new coal mine... You just can't make it up.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 1 0
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I think that plan has been shelved after the criticism. Though I can't see that they have ruled out quietly unshelving it after the summit
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01/04/2021 11:02:57 7 1
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You have your posts removed because you refuse to read the rules of the HYS section, it's really straight forward pal. Good luck getting your rebate on your mandatory license fee, frankly I'm glad you paid so our children had extra education during the lockdown.

Grow the hell up, sit down, shut up and get on with life.
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01/04/2021 11:09:44 3 0
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I enjoyed reading that comment
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01/04/2021 11:02:57 7 1
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You have your posts removed because you refuse to read the rules of the HYS section, it's really straight forward pal. Good luck getting your rebate on your mandatory license fee, frankly I'm glad you paid so our children had extra education during the lockdown.

Grow the hell up, sit down, shut up and get on with life.
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01/04/2021 11:09:59 1 4
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Happy Aprils Fools iam actually the director general of the BBC
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Rob
01/04/2021 11:00:15 2 3
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I take it then you are quite prepared to see members of your own family die for the benefit of the Earth?
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01/04/2021 11:10:49 2 1
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I'd rather see some of them die than all of them, that's the choice we face.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:11:21 8 2
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A good overview of the various Energy options is provided in the late Cambridge Prof Mackay's book Sustainable Energy - Without the Hot Air. There are various back of the envelope calculations there ... you can see from them that we in the UK or Europe can't get all our energy from Solar and Wind (unless we import that from say the Sahara desert countries).
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01/04/2021 11:12:57 6 4
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I am very impressed with the reality check that Raj Singh gave the western leaders. The truth is that we have a much harder and deeper change to make than India. I'm totaly behind him on the fact we need to start now and we need targets for the next 5 years that will reduce our fossil fuel use in line for at least 2050 but more realistically 2035. I fear for children and grand children if we can't
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01/04/2021 18:12:38 0 0
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But places such as India have the benefit of hindsight and a much easier path into green energy as they don't currently stand on the shoulders of fossil fuels like developed nations do. But instead they willingly make the same mistakes we did, they're not so innocent here after-all.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 0 8
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"Scientists say that in 10 years....."

Problem is that scientists have been making claims since the 70s and a lot haven't come true. People have stopped believing them.

E.g. 20 years ago they said "snow in the UK is now a thing of the past". Not "will be", notice, but "is". 20 years pass, the world gets allegedly warmer and still we have snow in winter, quite a lot in 2018 and again in 2020.

??
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01/04/2021 11:13:54 5 0
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I don't think there were many scientists pubishing papers claiming snow was a thing of the past 20 years ago. You also make one false assumption in judging science by past mistakes: the whole point about science is that it constantly progresses and improves itself, unlike politics.
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01/04/2021 12:47:16 0 0
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To your earlier comment, its like Climate Change the BBC only pushes an agenda despite the facts needing to be addressed by their clueless reporters.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 0 8
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"Scientists say that in 10 years....."

Problem is that scientists have been making claims since the 70s and a lot haven't come true. People have stopped believing them.

E.g. 20 years ago they said "snow in the UK is now a thing of the past". Not "will be", notice, but "is". 20 years pass, the world gets allegedly warmer and still we have snow in winter, quite a lot in 2018 and again in 2020.

??
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01/04/2021 11:17:06 4 3
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I'm getting tired of these 'less economically developed countries' moaning about the 'rich West'. Why don't they start by reducing their own corruption, educate themselves, rid themselves of superstitious and damaging social customs and organise themselves to make the most of their abundant resources instead of languishing in the dark ages and blaming everyone else? That might be a start.
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01/04/2021 11:22:35 0 0
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How is it consistent for a country such as the UK to be a 'world leader', while at the same time looking around at all of the less developed countries, complaining that they are behind where we are. That is just silly, and a bit pathetic.
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01/04/2021 11:36:02 0 0
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It might also be good if you went out and found out how some of these countries are doing far more in the sustainable energy and Climate change area than the UK. If you can't search for yourself I have posted various links in the comments to this article.
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 0 8
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"Scientists say that in 10 years....."

Problem is that scientists have been making claims since the 70s and a lot haven't come true. People have stopped believing them.

E.g. 20 years ago they said "snow in the UK is now a thing of the past". Not "will be", notice, but "is". 20 years pass, the world gets allegedly warmer and still we have snow in winter, quite a lot in 2018 and again in 2020.

??
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01/04/2021 11:20:00 3 0
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The fact that the world is getting warmer is well documented. Anyone who doesn't understand this at this point is wilfully ignorant. Why don't you point to the source where actual scientists said, "snow is a thing of the past"? Incidentally, UK snowfall has consistently reduced in recent years.
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01/04/2021 11:35:07 1 0
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yes you are probably right, but it's freezing outside today and I cant be bothered worrying about global warming when I live in a county that's cold most of the year.
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01/04/2021 11:20:25 2 4
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Btw nothing any of you will say will make any difference what so ever. Its all sound and fury signifying nothing.
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01/04/2021 11:33:44 1 1
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If only you spent this level of energy in educating yourself, you'd probably be a much better person.
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01/04/2021 11:21:07 2 0
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Greening and new alternatives for energy and lifestyle are the way ahead for countries wanting to maintain or increase living standards...Because the alternative is vastly more expensive and destructive....That is if we don’t blow ourselves up in the mean time....Climate change is real, human nature is fickle...
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01/04/2021 11:09:12 0 8
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"Scientists say that in 10 years....."

Problem is that scientists have been making claims since the 70s and a lot haven't come true. People have stopped believing them.

E.g. 20 years ago they said "snow in the UK is now a thing of the past". Not "will be", notice, but "is". 20 years pass, the world gets allegedly warmer and still we have snow in winter, quite a lot in 2018 and again in 2020.

??
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01/04/2021 11:21:13 1 0
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It's certainly true that reliable white winters ARE a thing of the past in many regions. Climate science was in its infancy in the 70s, but climate models since then have been highly accurate. Cold *weather* still happens in a warming *climate*, as I had to point out ad nauseam during a recent cold snap. Especially when it's brought upon us by unusually warm air over the Arctic!
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01/04/2021 11:17:06 4 3
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I'm getting tired of these 'less economically developed countries' moaning about the 'rich West'. Why don't they start by reducing their own corruption, educate themselves, rid themselves of superstitious and damaging social customs and organise themselves to make the most of their abundant resources instead of languishing in the dark ages and blaming everyone else? That might be a start.
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01/04/2021 11:22:35 0 0
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How is it consistent for a country such as the UK to be a 'world leader', while at the same time looking around at all of the less developed countries, complaining that they are behind where we are. That is just silly, and a bit pathetic.
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01/04/2021 11:23:02 3 2
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Countries can develop without recapitualting the mistakes of the West and going through a heavy polluting phase. The technology exists now, they can move away from coal. I don't see what's stopping them except their own attitudes.
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01/04/2021 11:28:14 1 2
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And what is stopping you from finding out what countries like India and China are doing? Take a look at this UN report https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/10/1074552. Take a look at this NASA https://terra.nasa.gov/news/modis-shows-earth-is-greener
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01/04/2021 11:24:38 43 3
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You only have to take a look at the deplorable states some of our public parks have been left in in recent days to see the bulk of those living in developed nations haven't the faintest desire to halt pollution, nor tackle climate change. The younger generation would sooner party than protest: I'll bet some of those out leaving their rubbish behind were out in XR demos in 2019!

Humanity is doomed
'Humanity is doomed' ... it certainly looks that way. The human race just can not grow up, mobilise itself and get off its backside. Look around the world: wars, corrupt governments and corrupt police, education that prioritises dark age beliefs over science, religious nutjobbery, ... the list just goes on. Removed
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Mup
01/04/2021 12:14:22 5 14
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The younger generation didn't get fat and rich by abusing earth of its natural resources and environmental future.
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01/04/2021 11:27:02 11 7
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India has the benefit of being able to learn from the wests mistakes, and to use the technology developed during the learning curve...instead they seem intent on outbreeding China.
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01/04/2021 11:31:18 5 10
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Perhaps you should find out what Green programs are in place in India and China instead of vomiting prejudice? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/what-india-can-teach-the-world-about-sustainability/
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01/04/2021 11:27:22 1 1
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climate change is not like c19 that they develop vacine for, it a real problems in fact climate change enhance diseases etc, those animals in suit just assemble in a meeting and do nothing rather than talk upon talk while they know the real problems still they do nothing hypocrites, a company told me In Europe for me to get a job offer there I must own a car, this problem lies in the rich.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:29:03 1 1
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The same happens in the UK. There are many jobs that you can't get without owning a car.
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01/04/2021 11:23:02 3 2
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Countries can develop without recapitualting the mistakes of the West and going through a heavy polluting phase. The technology exists now, they can move away from coal. I don't see what's stopping them except their own attitudes.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:28:14 1 2
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And what is stopping you from finding out what countries like India and China are doing? Take a look at this UN report https://news.un.org/en/story/2020/10/1074552. Take a look at this NASA https://terra.nasa.gov/news/modis-shows-earth-is-greener
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01/04/2021 11:27:22 1 1
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climate change is not like c19 that they develop vacine for, it a real problems in fact climate change enhance diseases etc, those animals in suit just assemble in a meeting and do nothing rather than talk upon talk while they know the real problems still they do nothing hypocrites, a company told me In Europe for me to get a job offer there I must own a car, this problem lies in the rich.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:29:03 1 1
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The same happens in the UK. There are many jobs that you can't get without owning a car.
Just give out your comments stop replying to mine, I am talking about what is happening in were I am, if you have the same problems there state it as an opinion, not replying to some ones opinion I mean mind your business. Removed
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01/04/2021 11:24:38 43 3
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You only have to take a look at the deplorable states some of our public parks have been left in in recent days to see the bulk of those living in developed nations haven't the faintest desire to halt pollution, nor tackle climate change. The younger generation would sooner party than protest: I'll bet some of those out leaving their rubbish behind were out in XR demos in 2019!

Humanity is doomed
'Humanity is doomed' ... it certainly looks that way. The human race just can not grow up, mobilise itself and get off its backside. Look around the world: wars, corrupt governments and corrupt police, education that prioritises dark age beliefs over science, religious nutjobbery, ... the list just goes on. Removed
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MVP
01/04/2021 11:30:25 3 3
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It is the "rich" countries that cumulatively have done the damage here and it is unfair of them to blame the "poor" countries that have copied them.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:32:58 2 1
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And this article doesn't talk about the major climate change, greening and sustainable energy programs in India/China. A trivial web search will expose one to it.
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01/04/2021 11:33:32 2 1
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I don't think it's about blame, rather it's about progress: other countries should learn from our mistakes not simply copy them. Who is more foolish: the fool or the one who follows him?
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01/04/2021 12:45:33 1 0
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Yet again you fail to acknowledge the benefits of the rich have brought to the world. btw: are you responsible for you grandfathers actions? like you suggest that the rest of us are? In which case did he participate in the wars & killing? By your argument then you are just as guilty of killing
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01/04/2021 11:27:02 11 7
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India has the benefit of being able to learn from the wests mistakes, and to use the technology developed during the learning curve...instead they seem intent on outbreeding China.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:31:18 5 10
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Perhaps you should find out what Green programs are in place in India and China instead of vomiting prejudice? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/what-india-can-teach-the-world-about-sustainability/
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01/04/2021 11:38:59 4 2
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Nothing is going to help as long as the population on Earth keeps increasing, we now have 100s of millions of people living in places that are becoming unable to sustain human life; Screaming racism at everything isn't going to help them.
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MVP
01/04/2021 11:30:25 3 3
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It is the "rich" countries that cumulatively have done the damage here and it is unfair of them to blame the "poor" countries that have copied them.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:32:58 2 1
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And this article doesn't talk about the major climate change, greening and sustainable energy programs in India/China. A trivial web search will expose one to it.
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01/04/2021 18:16:07 0 1
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Many of those trees have already died and China only planted them for logging purposes. A trivial web search will expose one to it.
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01/04/2021 11:33:17 2 1
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We could not even retain our 2016 zero carbon homes target. We should have cast iron annual targets that must be met or exceeded.
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MVP
01/04/2021 11:30:25 3 3
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It is the "rich" countries that cumulatively have done the damage here and it is unfair of them to blame the "poor" countries that have copied them.
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01/04/2021 11:33:32 2 1
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I don't think it's about blame, rather it's about progress: other countries should learn from our mistakes not simply copy them. Who is more foolish: the fool or the one who follows him?
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:38:49 1 0
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And actually when you do a quick search you realise we should be learning from them too.
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01/04/2021 11:20:25 2 4
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Btw nothing any of you will say will make any difference what so ever. Its all sound and fury signifying nothing.
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01/04/2021 11:33:44 1 1
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If only you spent this level of energy in educating yourself, you'd probably be a much better person.
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TG
01/04/2021 10:29:43 1 8
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So long as nobody seriously investigates how much CO2 is produced by nature itself, we will never know how far anthropogenic production is, or isn't, a problem.

https://theconversation.com/climate-explained-why-carbon-dioxide-has-such-outsized-influence-on-earths-climate-123064
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01/04/2021 11:18:51 0 0
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It is probably true that you will never know because you haven't taken the time and effort to educate yourself properly on the subject. Fortunately, there are numerous highly qualified people who have demonstrated unequivocally that anthropgenic production of CO2 is a highly significant problem
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01/04/2021 11:20:00 3 0
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The fact that the world is getting warmer is well documented. Anyone who doesn't understand this at this point is wilfully ignorant. Why don't you point to the source where actual scientists said, "snow is a thing of the past"? Incidentally, UK snowfall has consistently reduced in recent years.
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01/04/2021 11:35:07 1 0
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yes you are probably right, but it's freezing outside today and I cant be bothered worrying about global warming when I live in a county that's cold most of the year.
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01/04/2021 11:17:06 4 3
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I'm getting tired of these 'less economically developed countries' moaning about the 'rich West'. Why don't they start by reducing their own corruption, educate themselves, rid themselves of superstitious and damaging social customs and organise themselves to make the most of their abundant resources instead of languishing in the dark ages and blaming everyone else? That might be a start.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:36:02 0 0
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It might also be good if you went out and found out how some of these countries are doing far more in the sustainable energy and Climate change area than the UK. If you can't search for yourself I have posted various links in the comments to this article.
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01/04/2021 11:36:35 27 6
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best contribution to stop climate change is zero human population growth. however politically unacceptable to even think this.
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01/04/2021 12:48:52 5 12
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And how would that work? Would it be African populations you mainly want to stop growing or would you wind down the UK's population so that overpopulation elsewhere can be migrated?
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01/04/2021 15:33:14 7 0
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The best way to drive down the number of births per woman is to educate girls. That's why the birth rate has dropped so dramatically in the west & places like Japan & South Korea.
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01/04/2021 11:38:15 47 12
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As usual it boils down to too many people on the planet! And the UN and every politician don't want to address this giant elephant in the room!

Unfortunately sticking your head in the sand won't make the problem go away, but it seems this is exactly what out glorious leaders seem to be doing.

I'd like to think that we'll find a way out of this but I'm becoming more sceptical by the day.
I've come around to the thinking that that it's actually quite rascist to point the finger at countries which still have high birth rates (generally African). May the elephant in the room is that this is a way to point the finger and avoid taking any personal responsibility? Removed
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01/04/2021 14:50:03 4 0
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It's too late to argue about population growth or reduction, the human race is already in "overshoot"
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01/04/2021 15:11:31 1 3
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Given that you think they are too many problem why not make a start of the solution. It's in your hands.
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01/04/2021 15:22:17 1 0
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Well we will all be infertile by the middle of the century so problem solved on that front, and large amount of resources are consumed by a small number of rich consumer driven economies
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01/04/2021 11:33:32 2 1
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I don't think it's about blame, rather it's about progress: other countries should learn from our mistakes not simply copy them. Who is more foolish: the fool or the one who follows him?
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:38:49 1 0
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And actually when you do a quick search you realise we should be learning from them too.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:31:18 5 10
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Perhaps you should find out what Green programs are in place in India and China instead of vomiting prejudice? https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/10/what-india-can-teach-the-world-about-sustainability/
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01/04/2021 11:38:59 4 2
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Nothing is going to help as long as the population on Earth keeps increasing, we now have 100s of millions of people living in places that are becoming unable to sustain human life; Screaming racism at everything isn't going to help them.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:47:36 2 4
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I did not say you are racist. But you have a prejudiced view. How do you expect people to react to your "they seem *intent* on ...". And then you ignore the fact there is far more sustainable energy activity and greening going on the countries that you seek to belittle.

Your cries of "no this is not racism" alert me to "The Lady doth protest too much"
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01/04/2021 11:39:09 15 2
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To argue that India or China should be allowed to emulate the mistakes of the West, but on a much bigger scale, when modern technology has advanced is simply not acceptable. Such an argument will not save the planet. If the environmental support systems collapse then India will never achieve its goals. It's currently chasing gold at the end of a rainbow.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:41:10 13 3
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To the discomfort of his fellow panellists, Mr Singh singled out developed countries where per capita emissions are much higher than in India.
"You have countries whose per capita emissions are four or five or 12 times the world average. The question is when are they going to come down?"
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01/04/2021 16:40:03 0 1
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I don't think the people in India or China care if you find it "simply not acceptable".
How do you propose to stop their people following the same path as we did ? By force ?
You will have to offer them some strong incentives to use only clean energy. that will be very difficult...
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01/04/2021 20:25:45 1 0
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That's what they argue for the cash, but it's not what they do. Cellphones came before copper wires and internet before a real postal service. We buy our technologies from them anyway. If India and China had easy gas to extract as in Texas, they'd be doing it. Don't worry, with any luck the planet will save us.
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01/04/2021 11:39:09 15 2
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To argue that India or China should be allowed to emulate the mistakes of the West, but on a much bigger scale, when modern technology has advanced is simply not acceptable. Such an argument will not save the planet. If the environmental support systems collapse then India will never achieve its goals. It's currently chasing gold at the end of a rainbow.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:41:10 13 3
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To the discomfort of his fellow panellists, Mr Singh singled out developed countries where per capita emissions are much higher than in India.
"You have countries whose per capita emissions are four or five or 12 times the world average. The question is when are they going to come down?"
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01/04/2021 12:45:29 5 1
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Exactly, let's get started bringing our consumption down below the world average and then we'll be in a much better position to argue they shouldn't do what we did.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:29:03 1 1
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The same happens in the UK. There are many jobs that you can't get without owning a car.
Just give out your comments stop replying to mine, I am talking about what is happening in were I am, if you have the same problems there state it as an opinion, not replying to some ones opinion I mean mind your business. Removed
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01/04/2021 11:50:25 1 0
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Friend, that’s not how freedom of speech works.
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01/04/2021 10:20:19 14 12
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When I see the progress made in EU countries such as new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc. and I look at the UK and Boris saying we are world leading country in climate change just makes me laugh.
The UK needs to do more before it starts preaching to other countries
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01/04/2021 11:45:48 0 0
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When I see the farce of moving their parliament every month with a 10,000 CO2 footprint pa
When I see their anti competition laws which mean solar, smart materials & insulation are taxed at the same VAT rate as fossil fuel products
I know thee EU talk a good game but in reality are just useless on 'green' issues & a bunch of hypocrites
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01/04/2021 12:37:35 1 1
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Yet in Europe you physically see these things happening - " new apartment blocks which must have charging car parking spaces (by law) for electric cars, organic roof isulation, solar panels on roofs, etc." but you do not see it happening in the UK.
European countries are not "talking a good game", they are physically doing it unlike the UK
90
01/04/2021 11:38:59 4 2
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Nothing is going to help as long as the population on Earth keeps increasing, we now have 100s of millions of people living in places that are becoming unable to sustain human life; Screaming racism at everything isn't going to help them.
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Amy
01/04/2021 11:47:36 2 4
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I did not say you are racist. But you have a prejudiced view. How do you expect people to react to your "they seem *intent* on ...". And then you ignore the fact there is far more sustainable energy activity and greening going on the countries that you seek to belittle.

Your cries of "no this is not racism" alert me to "The Lady doth protest too much"
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01/04/2021 12:16:10 2 1
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It is no use a country achieving a 'sustainable life-style' if they do not manage their human population.
A sustainable, ie within climate change boundaries, civilisation implies a maximum number of humans for THAT way of life. Go beyond that number and the way of life is no longer sustainable. Increase nos & you need to reduce the activities, until not even the basics can be provided to people.
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01/04/2021 11:03:11 1 5
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+ the UK just opened a new coal mine...
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01/04/2021 11:48:02 2 0
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Amy
01/04/2021 10:32:18 14 5
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The irony is according NASA anyway that India and China lead the way n the greening of the earth: https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/144540/china-and-india-lead-the-way-in-greening

“China and India account for one-third of the greening, but contain only 9 percent of the planet’s land area covered in vegetation,"
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01/04/2021 11:49:08 3 2
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"The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited, said co-author Dr. Philippe Ciais; “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”"

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
Just give out your comments stop replying to mine, I am talking about what is happening in were I am, if you have the same problems there state it as an opinion, not replying to some ones opinion I mean mind your business. Removed
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01/04/2021 11:50:25 1 0
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Friend, that’s not how freedom of speech works.
Talking about over earth over populated, those people saying this I know they have children too, and most people that give birth to so many children are mostly poor people from poor countries from Latin America, Africa, the worst part of it they can't even care for the children. Removed
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01/04/2021 12:01:13 1 0
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If the reports about global fertility being in ‘free fall’ are correct, the issue of ‘unsustainable population’ might be short lived.
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01/04/2021 12:40:16 1 0
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WHO forecasts a 50% chance that the world population will peak at 11 billion by 2100. So 1:2 chance that it will exceed the 11 billion (an extra 3 billion in 80 years).

Although education & family planning works the poor need to have the time to have the basic education. Subsistence famers need their children fetching water, tilling etc to survive. They need reliable energy as the 1st step!
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01/04/2021 11:55:25 7 0
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Best most in the developed nations could hope for & still retain quality of life would be to reduce our ecological footprints to around the world average of 2.75Gha

India have ecological footprint of 1.16GHa but are increasing rapidly as they develop

Planetary biological capacity 1.63GHa

Then there's nations like Luxembourg, 15.82GHa!

No matter what we do, fella above is right
259
01/04/2021 17:40:48 2 3
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Apart from his theory that atmospheric CO2 levels have ever driven Earth's climate. That bit is pseudoscience.
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01/04/2021 18:53:38 1 2
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Doesnt take into account any advancement.

But then again advancements seem to be stopped by the eco-zealots. No GM , No Nuclear, No intensive farming, ....