Science cuts could see experts leave UK, warns Nobel laureate
31/03/2021 | news | science | 51
Nobel laureate Sir Paul Nurse also says science is crucial for dealing with climate change.
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01/04/2021 08:36:49 3 6
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This is why we need to cut taxes to the bone!!! To keep the boffins and businessmen fleeing to fiscally friendlier climes!!

And to cut taxes we must cut costs!!!

Close down the NHS!!! Abolish the welfare state!!!

No worky, no eaty!! That's my mantra!!!
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01/04/2021 08:58:17 6 0
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So if you become seriously ill in future can we just leave you to starve to death?
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01/04/2021 09:19:04 4 0
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Items 3 and 7 on the Putin Propaganda List of misinformation to undermine the UK.

A big smile on his face.
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01/04/2021 08:42:38 3 8
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"Science cuts could see experts leave UK"

Could. In other words another scare story
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01/04/2021 08:46:00 2 3
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I agree that some may do, and most will not. It is probably more interesting to ask how many would move into a different industry.

More likely is that less talented individuals may lose out on entering the industry. This could hamper research power but isn't as consequential as the best researchers all leaving.
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01/04/2021 08:56:31 6 0
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I suspect most of our science experts came from abroad in the first place. The UK simply does not prioritise science.
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SH
01/04/2021 10:08:22 5 0
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Scientists tend to be highly specialized and will go to where the work is.
The idea of being tied to ones nation is less important than having a good job and something interesting to work on.
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01/04/2021 08:43:52 14 0
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It does seem ridiculous to me that science is being scuppered by a shortfall of order £100 million already, yet huge government infrastructure and welfare initiatives get the go-ahead.

Investing an extra £100 million in science would likely turn a far higher return on investment - especially if the UK improves at harnessing the findings from our research.
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01/04/2021 08:55:20 10 6
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It probably depends who sponsors the Tory party - they get everything on a plate.
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01/04/2021 08:42:38 3 8
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"Science cuts could see experts leave UK"

Could. In other words another scare story
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01/04/2021 08:46:00 2 3
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I agree that some may do, and most will not. It is probably more interesting to ask how many would move into a different industry.

More likely is that less talented individuals may lose out on entering the industry. This could hamper research power but isn't as consequential as the best researchers all leaving.
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01/04/2021 08:46:19 12 3
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Er. I thought the pond-dwellers have had enough of experts.

So a massive success then for Brexit: punt all the innovators, scientists and generally wealth creating individuals across the channel so then can suffer from the perils of good food, interesting and varied culture, sunshine, professional respect and genuinely collaborative team work.

Pip Pip.
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01/04/2021 08:51:39 3 1
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Science has been in a terrible state in the UK for decades. Sure, it manages to tick along, barely. My question is: how can we cut something that's already down to the bare bones? Once a system functions as poorly as public-funded science in the UK, does it even make a difference if it's cut any further?
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01/04/2021 08:43:52 14 0
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It does seem ridiculous to me that science is being scuppered by a shortfall of order £100 million already, yet huge government infrastructure and welfare initiatives get the go-ahead.

Investing an extra £100 million in science would likely turn a far higher return on investment - especially if the UK improves at harnessing the findings from our research.
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01/04/2021 08:55:20 10 6
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It probably depends who sponsors the Tory party - they get everything on a plate.
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01/04/2021 09:38:55 1 3
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For someone who states they hate politics you do seem to mention it an awful lot.
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01/04/2021 08:42:38 3 8
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"Science cuts could see experts leave UK"

Could. In other words another scare story
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01/04/2021 08:56:31 6 0
bbc
I suspect most of our science experts came from abroad in the first place. The UK simply does not prioritise science.
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01/04/2021 08:36:49 3 6
bbc
This is why we need to cut taxes to the bone!!! To keep the boffins and businessmen fleeing to fiscally friendlier climes!!

And to cut taxes we must cut costs!!!

Close down the NHS!!! Abolish the welfare state!!!

No worky, no eaty!! That's my mantra!!!
9
01/04/2021 08:58:17 6 0
bbc
So if you become seriously ill in future can we just leave you to starve to death?
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01/04/2021 09:01:31 1 4
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I take responsibility for my own welfare and that of my family!!! I have private healthcare and adequate savings!!!

Why should I be forced to pay for those who will not provide for themselves?? I should not!!!
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01/04/2021 08:58:17 6 0
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So if you become seriously ill in future can we just leave you to starve to death?
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01/04/2021 09:01:31 1 4
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I take responsibility for my own welfare and that of my family!!! I have private healthcare and adequate savings!!!

Why should I be forced to pay for those who will not provide for themselves?? I should not!!!
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01/04/2021 09:31:49 3 0
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If you don't like the UK tax and government system other alternatives are available.......

Bermuda, Monaco, the Bahamas, Andorra and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) all sound like places you would be happier.
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01/04/2021 09:05:04 4 6
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There's only so much money, cut arts funding and spend it on science instead.
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01/04/2021 21:00:55 1 0
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Philistine.
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01/04/2021 09:09:12 2 13
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Money needs to be spent on proper science!! Science which improves are defence and security technology! New industrial products and chemicals!!! Science which creates wealth and keeps us safe!!

It should not be spent on pseudo scientific projects that stoke fear about climate change and are little more than lentil munching buffoonery!!

Support boffins not witch doctors!!
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01/04/2021 09:22:07 7 0
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"Proper Science"..... Maybe ask scientists what that is not Joe Public.
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01/04/2021 20:59:45 1 0
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Oh no, not another climate change denier.
Before you spout such piffle, do your research on reputable sources.
I suppose you also think the earth's flat.
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01/04/2021 09:17:47 18 1
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Scientists in all UK scientific areas are warning about the effects of funding cuts but you can expect the usual HYS buffoons who have no knowledge of science to come up with denial and vague waffle about what is and isn't proper science.
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01/04/2021 18:37:39 0 2
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or in other words to disagree with the Wise1 is not an option
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01/04/2021 18:48:53 0 1
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... just to add in case someone thumbs my comment up for the wrong reasons I was being facetious
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01/04/2021 08:36:49 3 6
bbc
This is why we need to cut taxes to the bone!!! To keep the boffins and businessmen fleeing to fiscally friendlier climes!!

And to cut taxes we must cut costs!!!

Close down the NHS!!! Abolish the welfare state!!!

No worky, no eaty!! That's my mantra!!!
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01/04/2021 09:19:04 4 0
bbc
Items 3 and 7 on the Putin Propaganda List of misinformation to undermine the UK.

A big smile on his face.
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01/04/2021 09:21:05 14 4
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With the UK now out of Europe, the funder may also have to find up to £2bn per year from its existing £8.5bn budget for British scientists to join research under the EU’s international Horizon programme. The move, which could imperil 18,000 research jobs, would reverse the past two years of science budget rises.

No votes in Science so Boris happy to slash funding.
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01/04/2021 09:09:12 2 13
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Money needs to be spent on proper science!! Science which improves are defence and security technology! New industrial products and chemicals!!! Science which creates wealth and keeps us safe!!

It should not be spent on pseudo scientific projects that stoke fear about climate change and are little more than lentil munching buffoonery!!

Support boffins not witch doctors!!
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01/04/2021 09:22:07 7 0
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"Proper Science"..... Maybe ask scientists what that is not Joe Public.
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01/04/2021 09:37:31 6 0
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Lots of science jobs (also other jobs) are on a fixed contract basis, especially in the computing sector. Doesn't pay the bills esp. with the crippling housing/rent inflation costs- no wonder folks look at working abroad.
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01/04/2021 08:55:20 10 6
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It probably depends who sponsors the Tory party - they get everything on a plate.
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01/04/2021 09:38:55 1 3
bbc
For someone who states they hate politics you do seem to mention it an awful lot.
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01/04/2021 09:01:31 1 4
bbc
I take responsibility for my own welfare and that of my family!!! I have private healthcare and adequate savings!!!

Why should I be forced to pay for those who will not provide for themselves?? I should not!!!
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01/04/2021 09:31:49 3 0
bbc
If you don't like the UK tax and government system other alternatives are available.......

Bermuda, Monaco, the Bahamas, Andorra and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) all sound like places you would be happier.
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01/04/2021 09:37:55 11 2
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https://scienceogram.org/in-depth/international-comparisons/#:~:text=The%20top%20public%20spender%20on,from%20Germany%20to%20the%20US.

UK has been at the bottom of spending on science for years. Perhaps Boris thought F Science as well as F Business as he is making big promises again which as usual fail to stand up to scrutiny

Still his sycophant followers will lap up whatever nonsense he spouts
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01/04/2021 09:42:04 12 3
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https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-08-03-brexit-uncertainty-and-migration-decisions-spark-brain-drain-concerns

Sadly the people who aren't leaving and don't understand why other skilled workers like scientists are leaving won't understand the warnings from experts like Sir Paul Nurse.

They prefer experts like Boris, Gove and Farage!
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SH
01/04/2021 10:21:43 8 1
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Science as subjects for academics generally doesn't appeal to the vast majority of students in the UK. I'm sure if we looked at who's employed in UK science a very large number are from overseas and in so far as that goes those academics are here to get involved in interesting stuff.
Too many think science in the UK is predominantly being done by home grown talent, but I'm not sure that it is.
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01/04/2021 18:58:20 0 0
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The three stooges.
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01/04/2021 08:42:38 3 8
bbc
"Science cuts could see experts leave UK"

Could. In other words another scare story
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SH
01/04/2021 10:08:22 5 0
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Scientists tend to be highly specialized and will go to where the work is.
The idea of being tied to ones nation is less important than having a good job and something interesting to work on.
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01/04/2021 09:42:04 12 3
bbc
https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-08-03-brexit-uncertainty-and-migration-decisions-spark-brain-drain-concerns

Sadly the people who aren't leaving and don't understand why other skilled workers like scientists are leaving won't understand the warnings from experts like Sir Paul Nurse.

They prefer experts like Boris, Gove and Farage!
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SH
01/04/2021 10:21:43 8 1
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Science as subjects for academics generally doesn't appeal to the vast majority of students in the UK. I'm sure if we looked at who's employed in UK science a very large number are from overseas and in so far as that goes those academics are here to get involved in interesting stuff.
Too many think science in the UK is predominantly being done by home grown talent, but I'm not sure that it is.
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01/04/2021 10:21:57 0 4
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That's good. At long last a use for all those rubber boats discarded in Dover harbour.
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01/04/2021 10:26:23 2 1
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I think you will find experts generally fly business class.......
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01/04/2021 13:47:42 0 1
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you are a Colin
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01/04/2021 10:21:57 0 4
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That's good. At long last a use for all those rubber boats discarded in Dover harbour.
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01/04/2021 10:26:23 2 1
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I think you will find experts generally fly business class.......
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01/04/2021 10:44:06 1 1
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As a rule: 'experts' do not get paid much in Britain...only enough to buy a paddle or two!
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01/04/2021 10:40:17 5 3
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It's the anniversary of 'Barnard Castle eyesight testing day'. However there was nothing myopic about Dom's attitude to UK science funding. Double it, treble it, whatever it takes. There will not be a prosperous UK without the best science facilities to attract the best from the world.

Home grown talent? Do me a favour, have you seen the numbers for science technology and computing at A level?
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01/04/2021 10:26:23 2 1
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I think you will find experts generally fly business class.......
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01/04/2021 10:44:06 1 1
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As a rule: 'experts' do not get paid much in Britain...only enough to buy a paddle or two!
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01/04/2021 10:52:42 1 1
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Clearly you don't move in our circles.....
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01/04/2021 10:54:59 0 7
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Show me where all the science jobs are? There is very little demand in the job market for scientists in the UK and much that there is employs ready-made experts from overseas: employers don't wish to invest in new talent, they want people who can hit the ground running, hence they employ from the global market. Youngsters know science is a bad career move.
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01/04/2021 11:14:47 6 0
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Lots of research jobs, eg.: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/jobs/search

Though sadly fewer than there were. Uncertainties over EU grant proposals, the pandemic and an exodus of EU researchers have already shunk the field noticeably.
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01/04/2021 10:58:04 7 5
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Scientists should just donate to the Tory party. That's how it works in this country.
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SH
01/04/2021 11:05:49 9 0
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Well if this country wants to lead the world in battery development, pharmaceuticals, space technology, efficient power generation, technologies for the next transport revolution, cost effective alternatives to polymers, and other stuff then the country needs scientists and engineers. Otherwise we simply become a nation that follows in the footsteps of others... which we already do in most things
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01/04/2021 10:54:59 0 7
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Show me where all the science jobs are? There is very little demand in the job market for scientists in the UK and much that there is employs ready-made experts from overseas: employers don't wish to invest in new talent, they want people who can hit the ground running, hence they employ from the global market. Youngsters know science is a bad career move.
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01/04/2021 11:14:47 6 0
bbc
Lots of research jobs, eg.: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/jobs/search

Though sadly fewer than there were. Uncertainties over EU grant proposals, the pandemic and an exodus of EU researchers have already shunk the field noticeably.
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01/04/2021 14:54:20 0 1
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Vast majority of science jobs are in the Medical area (fantastic though that is), and very little in the other sciences (physical, chemical, engineering..)

The EU science funding is very burdensome on paperwork and social engineering.
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01/04/2021 10:44:06 1 1
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As a rule: 'experts' do not get paid much in Britain...only enough to buy a paddle or two!
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01/04/2021 10:52:42 1 1
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Clearly you don't move in our circles.....
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01/04/2021 11:29:49 3 1
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24 comments, 'nuff said. I'll try something else: What do we think Ms Markel's opinion would be on fission development and is Harry onboard with it?
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01/04/2021 12:00:35 2 1
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seems to me most of the money around the world is in the hands of people who either don't care about anything but them selves or people who don't know how their money could help save this planet. At least the EU can't impose taxes on the rich in the UK now. Cameron, BOJO ERG et all sorted that with Brexit.
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01/04/2021 15:43:23 3 0
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Eh, what do you mean "At least the EU can't impose taxes on the rich in the UK now."?
The EU could never impose any taxes on the UK unless the UK gov passed any changes into law. This is rewriting history and nonsense.
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01/04/2021 12:21:18 8 2
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How odd? I am sure that recently the government were loudly going on about turning the UK into a science and tech superpower and increasing the woeful UK science spend. Was this a lie?
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01/04/2021 12:40:49 6 0
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Have a guess.....
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01/04/2021 18:55:05 0 0
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Hmmmm...let me think.
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01/04/2021 12:31:29 11 0
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Sir Paul Nurse is someone who I believe we should listen to. His work in his field is outstanding

I would like to think that the Government will contact him and try to work with him (and other talent) to create a UK scientific powerhouse that will enable us to help ourselves and the wider humanity.

Criticism from Sir Paul is not necessarily a bad thing and can hopefully be used constructively.
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01/04/2021 12:21:18 8 2
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How odd? I am sure that recently the government were loudly going on about turning the UK into a science and tech superpower and increasing the woeful UK science spend. Was this a lie?
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01/04/2021 12:40:49 6 0
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Have a guess.....
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01/04/2021 13:35:08 6 2
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There are much better places to study, work and live.
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01/04/2021 10:21:57 0 4
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That's good. At long last a use for all those rubber boats discarded in Dover harbour.
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01/04/2021 13:47:42 0 1
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you are a Colin
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01/04/2021 11:14:47 6 0
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Lots of research jobs, eg.: https://www.imperial.ac.uk/jobs/search

Though sadly fewer than there were. Uncertainties over EU grant proposals, the pandemic and an exodus of EU researchers have already shunk the field noticeably.
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01/04/2021 14:54:20 0 1
bbc
Vast majority of science jobs are in the Medical area (fantastic though that is), and very little in the other sciences (physical, chemical, engineering..)

The EU science funding is very burdensome on paperwork and social engineering.
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01/04/2021 12:00:35 2 1
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seems to me most of the money around the world is in the hands of people who either don't care about anything but them selves or people who don't know how their money could help save this planet. At least the EU can't impose taxes on the rich in the UK now. Cameron, BOJO ERG et all sorted that with Brexit.
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01/04/2021 15:43:23 3 0
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Eh, what do you mean "At least the EU can't impose taxes on the rich in the UK now."?
The EU could never impose any taxes on the UK unless the UK gov passed any changes into law. This is rewriting history and nonsense.
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01/04/2021 18:21:59 0 1
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Not really. The science was important for the climate change issue up until COP#1
(Berlin 1995). Since then climate change is an economic issue and a matter of politics,
both national and international.
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01/04/2021 09:17:47 18 1
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Scientists in all UK scientific areas are warning about the effects of funding cuts but you can expect the usual HYS buffoons who have no knowledge of science to come up with denial and vague waffle about what is and isn't proper science.
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01/04/2021 18:37:39 0 2
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or in other words to disagree with the Wise1 is not an option
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02/04/2021 16:24:35 0 0
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I'm a scientist and I completely agree with him.

UK science funding drives our economy. We have one of the highest rates of innovation start-up business in the world, we have one of the best higher education systems and we are leading the way on important issues like cancer and alzheimers research.

Unsupported opinions are irrelevent, but a good argument with supporting evidence is welcome....
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01/04/2021 09:17:47 18 1
bbc
Scientists in all UK scientific areas are warning about the effects of funding cuts but you can expect the usual HYS buffoons who have no knowledge of science to come up with denial and vague waffle about what is and isn't proper science.
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01/04/2021 18:48:53 0 1
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... just to add in case someone thumbs my comment up for the wrong reasons I was being facetious
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01/04/2021 12:21:18 8 2
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How odd? I am sure that recently the government were loudly going on about turning the UK into a science and tech superpower and increasing the woeful UK science spend. Was this a lie?
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01/04/2021 18:55:05 0 0
bbc
Hmmmm...let me think.
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01/04/2021 09:42:04 12 3
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https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-08-03-brexit-uncertainty-and-migration-decisions-spark-brain-drain-concerns

Sadly the people who aren't leaving and don't understand why other skilled workers like scientists are leaving won't understand the warnings from experts like Sir Paul Nurse.

They prefer experts like Boris, Gove and Farage!
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01/04/2021 18:58:20 0 0
bbc
The three stooges.
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01/04/2021 09:09:12 2 13
bbc
Money needs to be spent on proper science!! Science which improves are defence and security technology! New industrial products and chemicals!!! Science which creates wealth and keeps us safe!!

It should not be spent on pseudo scientific projects that stoke fear about climate change and are little more than lentil munching buffoonery!!

Support boffins not witch doctors!!
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01/04/2021 20:59:45 1 0
bbc
Oh no, not another climate change denier.
Before you spout such piffle, do your research on reputable sources.
I suppose you also think the earth's flat.
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01/04/2021 09:05:04 4 6
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There's only so much money, cut arts funding and spend it on science instead.
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01/04/2021 21:00:55 1 0
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Philistine.
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Bob
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Removed
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01/04/2021 18:37:39 0 2
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or in other words to disagree with the Wise1 is not an option
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02/04/2021 16:24:35 0 0
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I'm a scientist and I completely agree with him.

UK science funding drives our economy. We have one of the highest rates of innovation start-up business in the world, we have one of the best higher education systems and we are leading the way on important issues like cancer and alzheimers research.

Unsupported opinions are irrelevent, but a good argument with supporting evidence is welcome....
This HYS has been open for two days, and yet, it has only attracted 49 comments.

Perhaps Michael Gove was right - the people of this country have had enough of experts...