Google Maps to start showing eco-friendly routes
31/03/2021 | news | business | 152
The driving app will highlight trips with lowest emissions based on factors such as traffic and slopes.
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31/03/2021 09:38:51 30 5
bbc
Lovely idea

But will it work like their active route changing for very busy routes does. Where everyone follows it and it ends up just as congested.

More people will take the eco route, creating tailbacks and more congestion and pollution than the original route...
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31/03/2021 14:31:39 7 2
bbc
Unfortunately, Google have no control over the number of cars on the road. If Route A is congested, guess what? You're not the only person sent down Route B, so that will quickly be congested too
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31/03/2021 09:56:44 9 6
bbc
They should do google maps for country trails, footpaths and bridleways.
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31/03/2021 10:25:42 13 1
bbc
Download the OS maps free phone app for your device. It's excellent.
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31/03/2021 21:33:21 0 0
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OS information is not up to date for public rights of way (footpaths, bridleways, restricted byways and byways open to all traffic) as it relies on local authorities providing information pursuant to legal orders which have changed the definitive map. The information could therefore be years out of date.

Also how do you suppose a Google car would get along a crossfield footpath?
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31/03/2021 09:57:51 21 5
bbc
Typically the quickest route is also the most economic. Sat nav devices have had this feature for a while and fastest = greenest from experience. Using road inclines isn't fool proof! Assuming most journeys are return journeys, what you lose in one direction you gain on the return.
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31/03/2021 10:52:48 6 7
bbc
The joy of satnavs, hands up those who have been a victim of satnav misdirection such as been asked to proceed through locked farm gates and across muddy fields.
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31/03/2021 11:11:18 3 1
bbc
Your statement is objectively false. The faster you drive, the more energy is lost to air resistance. I get around 3 miles per kWh at 70mph and more than 4 miles per kWh at 55mph. A shorter route on slower roads will use significantly less fuel.

Vehicles with regenerative braking (hybrids and EVs) are able to recover most of the energy spent going up hill on the way back down anyway.
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31/03/2021 19:47:44 0 0
bbc
"what you lose in one direction you gain on the return"

Not always - villages in a valley (typical in Devon & Cornwall) make you brake as you approach them causing even more fuel to be burned as you leave. Best way to save fuel is to travel at a steady speed. 56 mph following a HGV on motorways is ideal, you get help from the slipstream as well as travelling at a steady speed.
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31/03/2021 10:03:25 3 4
bbc
It would be useful too, if they could update their maps to show new roads/entrances to rural houses. On top of that, private pathways and public pathways/bridlepaths need to be better highlighted. Its irresponsible to send cars/walkers down looked routes over private land being used for agricultural purposes.
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31/03/2021 12:33:45 2 0
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Google maps is a database of lines, there is no guarantee that the route is permissive, legal or otherwise, that is up to the user. Unfortunately, many people following these routes appear unable to make those sorts of judgements.
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31/03/2021 10:05:17 4 18
bbc
Virtue signalling

The difference between the eco friendly route and the route you'd take anyway ? Ah well you've called it the eco friendly route, well done, done your bit for the planet
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31/03/2021 10:26:32 11 3
bbc
If you have nothing to add to a debate, simply insert the meaningless trendy catchphrase "virtue signalling".
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31/03/2021 11:15:19 8 1
bbc
You know that saving fuel also saves you money? My car costs me 2.4p per mile to drive because what you call 'virtue signalling' is actually significantly more efficient and some of us are intelligent enough to figure that out.
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31/03/2021 10:13:10 8 7
bbc
Google and Facebook have way too much power.

The UK needs to build a competitive global tech rival.

Otherwise we are doomed to slavery.
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31/03/2021 10:19:26 10 12
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You mean like the world-beating track and trace system we created to rival everyone else, that was not only late and ineffective but cost an obscene amount of money?
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31/03/2021 10:29:43 5 2
bbc
Well, go on then. There's nothing stopping you.
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31/03/2021 18:46:27 0 0
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They have no power over me. I choose not to use Facebook and I choose to use Google. My choice and I use the privacy settings.
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31/03/2021 10:16:14 11 12
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I always take the scenic route. I have no time for crappy little maps and apps. If you have a watch and can see the sun then go where the feeling takes you. Enough of this save the world nonsense.
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31/03/2021 10:13:10 8 7
bbc
Google and Facebook have way too much power.

The UK needs to build a competitive global tech rival.

Otherwise we are doomed to slavery.
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31/03/2021 10:19:26 10 12
bbc
You mean like the world-beating track and trace system we created to rival everyone else, that was not only late and ineffective but cost an obscene amount of money?
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31/03/2021 11:11:30 3 2
bbc
The track and trace system which is basically a spreadsheet with numbers to call? lol
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31/03/2021 10:21:00 6 1
bbc
would help if they updated. frequently there is no streetview
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31/03/2021 10:25:11 10 5
bbc
Google maps cannot get its data correct.
Closed roads that are open, open roads that are closed!
It took Google 14 years to catch up with a hotel that had closed.
Their own pictures showed it derelict and burnt out. They still listed it as open.
Google needs to get its data up to date.
Removed
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31/03/2021 10:54:38 4 0
bbc
You're right. And if you are really lucky the wrong'uns can google map your property and find out which is the best way to steal your oil from the tank.
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31/03/2021 14:37:25 2 1
bbc
So how up-to-date are your paper maps, then?
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31/03/2021 09:56:44 9 6
bbc
They should do google maps for country trails, footpaths and bridleways.
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31/03/2021 10:25:42 13 1
bbc
Download the OS maps free phone app for your device. It's excellent.
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31/03/2021 10:32:27 3 3
bbc
what free OS app? I haven't found one yet that doesn't require payment of some sort. Yes the app is free, but then you have to pay for any maps/tiles you use.
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31/03/2021 10:05:17 4 18
bbc
Virtue signalling

The difference between the eco friendly route and the route you'd take anyway ? Ah well you've called it the eco friendly route, well done, done your bit for the planet
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31/03/2021 10:26:32 11 3
bbc
If you have nothing to add to a debate, simply insert the meaningless trendy catchphrase "virtue signalling".
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31/03/2021 11:00:29 2 9
bbc
"Virtue signalling" isn't a meaningless phrase. It's used incorrectly on this occasion, yes, but it isn't meaningless.
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31/03/2021 10:13:10 8 7
bbc
Google and Facebook have way too much power.

The UK needs to build a competitive global tech rival.

Otherwise we are doomed to slavery.
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31/03/2021 10:29:43 5 2
bbc
Well, go on then. There's nothing stopping you.
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31/03/2021 10:25:42 13 1
bbc
Download the OS maps free phone app for your device. It's excellent.
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31/03/2021 10:32:27 3 3
bbc
what free OS app? I haven't found one yet that doesn't require payment of some sort. Yes the app is free, but then you have to pay for any maps/tiles you use.
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31/03/2021 14:45:08 1 0
bbc
And, of course, Google would never sell your data, would they?

To quote Robert Anson Heinlein:

TANSTAAFL!

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!"
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31/03/2021 10:25:11 10 5
bbc
Google maps cannot get its data correct.
Closed roads that are open, open roads that are closed!
It took Google 14 years to catch up with a hotel that had closed.
Their own pictures showed it derelict and burnt out. They still listed it as open.
Google needs to get its data up to date.
Removed
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31/03/2021 10:44:12 2 1
bbc
Is it not expensive to download all the required data, while motoring, so surely a good up to date satnav would work just as well and be cheaper.
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31/03/2021 12:14:28 3 0
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No, it isn't expensive. The map data is small (unless you switch to satellite view). You can even download the map data before you travel (using your wifi connection) so the only data flow whilst on the journey is traffic updates - which is negligible.
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31/03/2021 18:49:54 0 0
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I have a volvo; the satnav is okay, Google is better, and I loaded an update but 2 year old estates still weren't available. Not a criticism. Technology can be great, but it's far from perfect.
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31/03/2021 10:52:11 15 7
bbc
Walking, Cycling and Public Transport, thats the green map you need Google, invoice in the post.
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31/03/2021 11:08:06 8 2
bbc
All of which they’ve done for years already!
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31/03/2021 13:16:09 2 1
bbc
Yeah, lets see.... I used to be able to walk to the bus stop and take a bus to work, then the council cancelled the bus - the 'alternative' took over 4 hours for the 25 miles, and the home bus left before I arrived.
The cycling is ok except in winter when you arrive cold, wet - or get run over on the dark dual carriageway.
EVs - the affordable ones - cant cope with 50 miles on a dual carriageway.
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31/03/2021 18:40:40 1 0
bbc
Google provide all those. Difficult to blame Google for messed, profiteering public transport system.
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31/03/2021 09:57:51 21 5
bbc
Typically the quickest route is also the most economic. Sat nav devices have had this feature for a while and fastest = greenest from experience. Using road inclines isn't fool proof! Assuming most journeys are return journeys, what you lose in one direction you gain on the return.
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31/03/2021 10:52:48 6 7
bbc
The joy of satnavs, hands up those who have been a victim of satnav misdirection such as been asked to proceed through locked farm gates and across muddy fields.
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31/03/2021 12:06:16 7 0
bbc
If I'm in a bad mood but know where I'm going I set the sat nav for the opposite direction from where I'm headed and shout extreme abuse at every instruction. Very satisfying and gets it out your system.
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31/03/2021 12:53:03 5 1
bbc
Going up M40 once, satnav took me off, round a roundabout back on in the opposite direction
10m down the road, took me off round the roundabout back in my original direction
10m up the road it tried to make me do the same & got really confused when I just ignored it
Kept telling me to turn round, knew it wrong so switched blooming thing off
Trust my own navigational skills, stuff the machine
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31/03/2021 14:42:14 7 0
bbc
All my cars have had this useful device called a windscreen - looking through it regularly can avoid many problems caused by over-reliance on technology
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31/03/2021 19:49:34 1 0
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Satnav is not supposed to replace common sense! It's an aid, like maps (remember those) and signposts (which are not 100% reliable either).
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31/03/2021 22:12:06 1 0
bbc
My sat nav once told me to go through a restriction where only buses could go when there was a police car the other side. Luckily I cam read Road signs so declined to follow it.
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31/03/2021 10:25:11 10 5
bbc
Google maps cannot get its data correct.
Closed roads that are open, open roads that are closed!
It took Google 14 years to catch up with a hotel that had closed.
Their own pictures showed it derelict and burnt out. They still listed it as open.
Google needs to get its data up to date.
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31/03/2021 10:54:38 4 0
bbc
You're right. And if you are really lucky the wrong'uns can google map your property and find out which is the best way to steal your oil from the tank.
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31/03/2021 10:26:32 11 3
bbc
If you have nothing to add to a debate, simply insert the meaningless trendy catchphrase "virtue signalling".
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31/03/2021 11:00:29 2 9
bbc
"Virtue signalling" isn't a meaningless phrase. It's used incorrectly on this occasion, yes, but it isn't meaningless.
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31/03/2021 12:05:43 10 2
bbc
Erm yes it is absolutely meaningless. It's a lazy term coined up to try to denigrate individuals/groups but without any evidence to support their argument. Instead, they throw around this label in the hopes that they sound smart but in reality it's just word salad.
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31/03/2021 11:03:02 9 0
bbc
The choice of different routes often have only a few minutes between them anyway, so this seems like a sensible idea.
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31/03/2021 11:06:46 3 6
bbc
Being an EV driver, I find I'm constantly wrestling with Google trying to take me the long way round on faster roads. Higher speeds are the biggest waste of fuel because air resistance increases at the square of velocity so driving at 55mph will use around 30% less energy than at 70mph. It would be ideal to see the overall estimated fuel consumption as well as the miles and time for each route.
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31/03/2021 11:15:08 14 13
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You are not alone in suffering 'EV Range Anxiety' which can lead to driving below optimal speeds thereby inconsiderately impeding the progress of drivers with proper engines.
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31/03/2021 12:01:06 4 1
bbc
Running st constant speed uses less energy than stopping and starting.

As an EV driver you should be aware of this as you have limited range.
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31/03/2021 13:10:40 3 2
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As an EV driver you shouldnt need google anyway, you cant venture more than walking distance from your home without a flat battery anyway.
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31/03/2021 17:39:31 1 0
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Who's a elitist pioneer then. oooh My cars electric give me a big pat on my ecowarrior back. Ignore the fact the components if my car have travelled once round the planet before assembly and then polluted a bit of the environment in some impoverished country mining the rare earth minerals at the same time.
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31/03/2021 20:49:08 0 0
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"estimated fuel consumption" varies with the wind speed and direction and also the road surface - I've found with my car that the smooth road surfaces typically used on trunk roads & motorways run at least 5mpg more economically than rough road surfaces (when cruising at constant speed), as well as being quieter & reducing particulate pollution from tyre wear.
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31/03/2021 10:52:11 15 7
bbc
Walking, Cycling and Public Transport, thats the green map you need Google, invoice in the post.
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31/03/2021 11:08:06 8 2
bbc
All of which they’ve done for years already!
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31/03/2021 17:19:48 2 0
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Not very well though, unless you don't mind cycling down a dual carriageway, and mixing with fast traffic. There isn't any intelligence at all to keep you on quieter lanes that are much more pleasant and safer to be on. Luckily there are quite a few apps that do though - I'd never use google maps to plan routes for much other than driving...
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31/03/2021 09:57:51 21 5
bbc
Typically the quickest route is also the most economic. Sat nav devices have had this feature for a while and fastest = greenest from experience. Using road inclines isn't fool proof! Assuming most journeys are return journeys, what you lose in one direction you gain on the return.
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31/03/2021 11:11:18 3 1
bbc
Your statement is objectively false. The faster you drive, the more energy is lost to air resistance. I get around 3 miles per kWh at 70mph and more than 4 miles per kWh at 55mph. A shorter route on slower roads will use significantly less fuel.

Vehicles with regenerative braking (hybrids and EVs) are able to recover most of the energy spent going up hill on the way back down anyway.
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31/03/2021 10:19:26 10 12
bbc
You mean like the world-beating track and trace system we created to rival everyone else, that was not only late and ineffective but cost an obscene amount of money?
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31/03/2021 11:11:30 3 2
bbc
The track and trace system which is basically a spreadsheet with numbers to call? lol
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31/03/2021 11:06:46 3 6
bbc
Being an EV driver, I find I'm constantly wrestling with Google trying to take me the long way round on faster roads. Higher speeds are the biggest waste of fuel because air resistance increases at the square of velocity so driving at 55mph will use around 30% less energy than at 70mph. It would be ideal to see the overall estimated fuel consumption as well as the miles and time for each route.
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31/03/2021 11:15:08 14 13
bbc
You are not alone in suffering 'EV Range Anxiety' which can lead to driving below optimal speeds thereby inconsiderately impeding the progress of drivers with proper engines.
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31/03/2021 11:27:08 4 6
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I enjoy slowing other drivers down and actually sticking to the speed limits. If drivers then drive up my backside, I go slower than the speed limit...lol
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31/03/2021 10:05:17 4 18
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Virtue signalling

The difference between the eco friendly route and the route you'd take anyway ? Ah well you've called it the eco friendly route, well done, done your bit for the planet
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31/03/2021 11:15:19 8 1
bbc
You know that saving fuel also saves you money? My car costs me 2.4p per mile to drive because what you call 'virtue signalling' is actually significantly more efficient and some of us are intelligent enough to figure that out.
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31/03/2021 11:20:04 8 1
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Anyone spot the oxymoron?
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31/03/2021 11:15:08 14 13
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You are not alone in suffering 'EV Range Anxiety' which can lead to driving below optimal speeds thereby inconsiderately impeding the progress of drivers with proper engines.
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31/03/2021 11:27:08 4 6
bbc
I enjoy slowing other drivers down and actually sticking to the speed limits. If drivers then drive up my backside, I go slower than the speed limit...lol
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31/03/2021 11:43:23 8 1
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Its always a pleasure to safely overtake drivers who deliberately drive unecessarily slowly to impede others (an offence) which by no means implies overtaking drivers either 'tailgate' or exceed the speed limit.
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31/03/2021 11:33:32 5 10
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All routes start and end back at "home": the net positive/negative slope over the return journey will be....yep, zero.

If everyone uses these "eco routes" wont they become clogged up and "un-eco"?

Google etc already know when and where (nearly) everybody goes and what they do there, so now they are going to tell us how to get there as well.
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31/03/2021 15:08:27 0 0
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Flawed logic. If there was a big mountain range between points A and B, for example, it could be more eco-frienldly to take a slightly longer route round it. As for the clogging up argument - people don't all take the same route at the same time, and it would also take into account traffic anyway so it could be more eco friendly to go over the mountain anyway.
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31/03/2021 11:37:53 2 12
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What a complete waste of time. I will never use this.
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31/03/2021 11:59:09 18 2
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And posting that comment wasn't?
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31/03/2021 14:23:47 0 0
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It's the 2021 Vice Signaling Championships! A fairly feeble early attempt, but thanks for trying your best. Just to annoy you, you get a medal just for taking part
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31/03/2021 11:26:19 6 3
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About time! If I ask for directions to Galway City, the default route (it is all motorway driving) is about 70 miles longer and only saves me about 2 minutes on the next quickest, I can get around it by selecting the 'avoid tolls' option which then shows me the shortest route (15 miles shorter again) and only adds 14 minutes to the overall journey. Lower emissions & cost for extra 14 minutes!
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31/03/2021 11:58:49 8 1
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Fuel consumption and pollution are lowered by stop starts. Most cars running at a constant motorway speed will be about twice as economical on motorways as on rural or City roads.
You may drive longer but are not necessarily less polluting.
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31/03/2021 17:30:37 1 0
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Take the pig out of the boot you'll save even more fuel
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31/03/2021 20:42:18 0 0
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Motorways are MUCH safer than Irish byways ... less wear & tear on the vehicle. I know some Irish motorways are cursed with toll plazas but the one on the Dublin-Belfast motorway is absolutely not worth avoiding (the detour is several extra miles on poor roads and costs about 15 minutes, the toll is about 2 euro)
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31/03/2021 11:27:08 4 6
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I enjoy slowing other drivers down and actually sticking to the speed limits. If drivers then drive up my backside, I go slower than the speed limit...lol
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31/03/2021 11:43:23 8 1
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Its always a pleasure to safely overtake drivers who deliberately drive unecessarily slowly to impede others (an offence) which by no means implies overtaking drivers either 'tailgate' or exceed the speed limit.
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31/03/2021 11:53:03 12 11
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So everyone switches to these recommended routes and ends up in a massive traffic jam

Congratulations Google for your early April Fool wind up
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31/03/2021 12:11:41 11 3
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Your comment would only be valid if drivers started from the same point and finished at the same point and of course at the same time.
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31/03/2021 14:21:21 0 0
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Whereas what Google does now is different how, precisely? Isolate the environmental aspect, and they're still doing the same thing, and by your logic every motorist should all be stuck in one jam, unless your argument is illogical, which it is
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31/03/2021 11:26:19 6 3
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About time! If I ask for directions to Galway City, the default route (it is all motorway driving) is about 70 miles longer and only saves me about 2 minutes on the next quickest, I can get around it by selecting the 'avoid tolls' option which then shows me the shortest route (15 miles shorter again) and only adds 14 minutes to the overall journey. Lower emissions & cost for extra 14 minutes!
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31/03/2021 11:58:49 8 1
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Fuel consumption and pollution are lowered by stop starts. Most cars running at a constant motorway speed will be about twice as economical on motorways as on rural or City roads.
You may drive longer but are not necessarily less polluting.
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31/03/2021 13:09:33 1 0
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stop start doesnt save as much as you think either, a modern vehicle on idle is really using very little fuel. It does require a drop more to start. It can result in the engine running cooler. It can also mean the oil is cooler and not circulating quite as well and causing more wear. As with most things its a mix. Fuel from air and it wouldnt matter anyway as the CO2 emitted was removed before.
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31/03/2021 11:37:53 2 12
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What a complete waste of time. I will never use this.
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31/03/2021 11:59:09 18 2
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And posting that comment wasn't?
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31/03/2021 17:35:30 0 0
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Eees a righttit though
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31/03/2021 11:06:46 3 6
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Being an EV driver, I find I'm constantly wrestling with Google trying to take me the long way round on faster roads. Higher speeds are the biggest waste of fuel because air resistance increases at the square of velocity so driving at 55mph will use around 30% less energy than at 70mph. It would be ideal to see the overall estimated fuel consumption as well as the miles and time for each route.
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31/03/2021 12:01:06 4 1
bbc
Running st constant speed uses less energy than stopping and starting.

As an EV driver you should be aware of this as you have limited range.
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31/03/2021 20:17:09 0 0
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Yeah - a steady 56mph with a constant 40mph tailwind is possible by following HGVs on the motorway rather than overtaking them & is definitely more energy efficient than annoying everyone else by running slowly.

EVs are the same as everything else (despite energy recovery on braking - it's less than 100% efficient) - the accelerator uses energy , the brake pedal wastes it.
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31/03/2021 11:00:29 2 9
bbc
"Virtue signalling" isn't a meaningless phrase. It's used incorrectly on this occasion, yes, but it isn't meaningless.
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31/03/2021 12:05:43 10 2
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Erm yes it is absolutely meaningless. It's a lazy term coined up to try to denigrate individuals/groups but without any evidence to support their argument. Instead, they throw around this label in the hopes that they sound smart but in reality it's just word salad.
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31/03/2021 14:39:46 1 0
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Yup, and usually used as an insult by people for whom "Arrogance Signalling" would be a good description...
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31/03/2021 14:28:04 1 0
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If you don't mind adding to word salad, "Vice Signaling" is the description of what's been posted above
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31/03/2021 10:52:48 6 7
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The joy of satnavs, hands up those who have been a victim of satnav misdirection such as been asked to proceed through locked farm gates and across muddy fields.
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31/03/2021 12:06:16 7 0
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If I'm in a bad mood but know where I'm going I set the sat nav for the opposite direction from where I'm headed and shout extreme abuse at every instruction. Very satisfying and gets it out your system.
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31/03/2021 12:10:00 7 16
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total cobblers, more virtue signalling
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31/03/2021 12:52:08 4 4
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I assume you keep a file with these knee-jerk reactions, and just cut & paste?
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31/03/2021 14:28:54 2 1
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And you aren't virtue signalling, just showing that you don't give a monkeys about anyone who isn't you?

Can I invent a new phrase - "Arrogance Signalling", It seems to fit as many people as "Virtue Signalling" does...
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31/03/2021 11:53:03 12 11
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So everyone switches to these recommended routes and ends up in a massive traffic jam

Congratulations Google for your early April Fool wind up
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31/03/2021 12:11:41 11 3
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Your comment would only be valid if drivers started from the same point and finished at the same point and of course at the same time.
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01/04/2021 02:07:46 0 0
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Either you have never used google map or work for google.
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31/03/2021 10:44:12 2 1
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Is it not expensive to download all the required data, while motoring, so surely a good up to date satnav would work just as well and be cheaper.
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31/03/2021 12:14:28 3 0
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No, it isn't expensive. The map data is small (unless you switch to satellite view). You can even download the map data before you travel (using your wifi connection) so the only data flow whilst on the journey is traffic updates - which is negligible.
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31/03/2021 12:20:28 8 4
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And I wonder how much energy that additional data crunching will consume in Google's Data Centres?
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31/03/2021 17:28:31 3 1
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Bleedin loads so there goes the planet with another non bright idea
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01/04/2021 09:21:48 0 0
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Probably less than this will save in the first day. Renewable electricity isn't as bad as (mostly) fossil fuelled cars.
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31/03/2021 12:26:44 8 1
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I wonder if google eco maps will be more accurate than the fuel economy figures for cars - like small petrol 1 litre turbo cars quoted as doing 68mpg combined, but in practice manage 39mpg like your dads old 1.6 escort; but without the complications of turbos and fancy injection systems.
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31/03/2021 12:46:25 14 1
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Always depends on HOW you drive.

2.0l diesel I averaged 56.6mpg over 45,000 miles. Gentle acceleration, use the engine to break etc. Mixed use, not all motorway.

It's not difficult in any vehicle. Too many heavy footed types out there.
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31/03/2021 12:51:09 2 0
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If your dads old 1.6 escort did 39mpg it must have been an exceptional one - most cars like that only did 39mpg in Govt tests and we more like 30mpg in practice......
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31/03/2021 13:05:32 2 1
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My 1.6 non turbo charged house on wheels manages very good economy as long as I treat the accelerator gently and avoid high speed. At a gently driven 50mph I get 520 miles to the tank, foot hard down and using the unrestricted autobahn system to its fullest 190 miles - same car, same tank, same fuel. Makes a nonsense of CO2 based car tax... tax fuel, only fuel.
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31/03/2021 21:29:45 1 0
bbc
Avoid braking where possible, where it is safe to do so.

Anticipate places where you need to slow down by avoiding the accelerator and letting the car just lose its momentum.

Unless you have regenerative braking, any braking is just wasting energy.
45
31/03/2021 12:29:18 19 0
bbc
All well and good but the more fundamental problem is directing vehicles down roads that are completely unsuitable.
For some reason drivers appear to be unable to take in signs about narrow road, low bridges and so on, just blindly following the satnav because it must be right.
68
31/03/2021 14:18:06 5 6
bbc
Are you telling me you've never turned left or right onto the tracks at a level crossing, because the satnav told you to turn there? You haven't lived...
150
01/04/2021 12:33:59 0 0
bbc
That's always the problem when people let machines do their thinking for them.
4
31/03/2021 10:03:25 3 4
bbc
It would be useful too, if they could update their maps to show new roads/entrances to rural houses. On top of that, private pathways and public pathways/bridlepaths need to be better highlighted. Its irresponsible to send cars/walkers down looked routes over private land being used for agricultural purposes.
46
31/03/2021 12:33:45 2 0
bbc
Google maps is a database of lines, there is no guarantee that the route is permissive, legal or otherwise, that is up to the user. Unfortunately, many people following these routes appear unable to make those sorts of judgements.
44
31/03/2021 12:26:44 8 1
bbc
I wonder if google eco maps will be more accurate than the fuel economy figures for cars - like small petrol 1 litre turbo cars quoted as doing 68mpg combined, but in practice manage 39mpg like your dads old 1.6 escort; but without the complications of turbos and fancy injection systems.
47
31/03/2021 12:46:25 14 1
bbc
Always depends on HOW you drive.

2.0l diesel I averaged 56.6mpg over 45,000 miles. Gentle acceleration, use the engine to break etc. Mixed use, not all motorway.

It's not difficult in any vehicle. Too many heavy footed types out there.
55
31/03/2021 13:06:42 0 1
bbc
Just posted my example so I wont repeat it but same car can do 190miles or 520 miles to the tank depending on how its driven. Tax fuel as that is where the CO2 comes from, not the car. Indeed scrap car tax totally, no need for it, no advantage in, just lots of paperwork and hassle.
122
31/03/2021 20:12:02 0 0
bbc
You're about 5 mpg shy of what I've achieved with my 2.0l turbo diesel. Long runs help ... best I ever got was 67.3 mpg Cairnryan - Truro.
48
31/03/2021 12:49:25 7 0
bbc
"default route on the Google Maps app will be the "eco-friendly" option, unless users choose to opt out of it"

Why not;
Show 3 routes?
Fastest
Shortest
Most environmentally friendly
Plus differences between them
Most of the time these will be tiny, a few miles or a few minutes
67
31/03/2021 14:16:46 1 0
bbc
It's a fair point. Give us the info, and let us decide how to use it.

"What we are seeing is for around half of routes, we are able to find an option more eco-friendly with minimal or no time-cost trade-off"

Or just stick to the above? No issue for me with what they're doing, but some people will want to retain the choice, and some may wish to vice signal to show this
119
31/03/2021 19:50:55 0 0
bbc
Just like the Michelin route planner web site ...
143
01/04/2021 05:36:08 0 0
bbc
That’s exactly what our built in Sat Nav does on our Volvo
44
31/03/2021 12:26:44 8 1
bbc
I wonder if google eco maps will be more accurate than the fuel economy figures for cars - like small petrol 1 litre turbo cars quoted as doing 68mpg combined, but in practice manage 39mpg like your dads old 1.6 escort; but without the complications of turbos and fancy injection systems.
49
31/03/2021 12:51:09 2 0
bbc
If your dads old 1.6 escort did 39mpg it must have been an exceptional one - most cars like that only did 39mpg in Govt tests and we more like 30mpg in practice......
40
31/03/2021 12:10:00 7 16
bbc
total cobblers, more virtue signalling
50
31/03/2021 12:52:08 4 4
bbc
I assume you keep a file with these knee-jerk reactions, and just cut & paste?
18
31/03/2021 10:52:48 6 7
bbc
The joy of satnavs, hands up those who have been a victim of satnav misdirection such as been asked to proceed through locked farm gates and across muddy fields.
51
31/03/2021 12:53:03 5 1
bbc
Going up M40 once, satnav took me off, round a roundabout back on in the opposite direction
10m down the road, took me off round the roundabout back in my original direction
10m up the road it tried to make me do the same & got really confused when I just ignored it
Kept telling me to turn round, knew it wrong so switched blooming thing off
Trust my own navigational skills, stuff the machine
79
31/03/2021 14:29:30 1 0
bbc
That's very weird. I wonder why it did that
121
31/03/2021 19:56:22 0 0
bbc
Sounds extreme but jamming of the GPS service on which satnavs rely is known to occur (usually by the US military who do after all own the thing). I've had my position "jump" to a point several km from where I know I am on more than one occasion. Corrects itself after a few minutes but if you followed the instructions in the interim you could find yourself up s*** creek - or worse!
52
31/03/2021 12:53:41 28 0
bbc
If they showed me the route with least potholes, I'd definitely use that.
82
31/03/2021 15:00:43 18 0
bbc
"No possible route found. Try again"
53
31/03/2021 13:03:15 3 8
bbc
Roundabouts, traffic lights, traffic 'calming' (the ones that anger motorists and make them anything but calm by jolting the entire car, and anger the residents by causing screaming brakes and noises from hard accelerating idiots).

What would be better is for HMG to spend some of our billions of road tax on replacing roundabouts with better junctions. eg scrap the M25 roundabouts
57
31/03/2021 13:07:56 7 0
bbc
Except roundabouts cause less disruption to traffic flow than traffic lights, but having traffic lights on roundabouts negates their effectiveness.
64
31/03/2021 14:24:16 1 0
bbc
what would you replace the roundabouts with, oh ace Highways Engineer?
89
31/03/2021 15:27:53 1 0
bbc
Take out traffic lights and bring back free-flowing roundabouts. I agree on the M25 ones though. Long delayed investment needed for A3 to M25 (and probably others), a proper connected elevated exit road was proposed that would cut average wait in rush hour by 10 minutes and instead they will just widen the traffic light roundabout, which will solve nothing. Steel flyovers can be built in days.
95
31/03/2021 16:45:29 1 0
bbc
Your obviously not a driver are you?
44
31/03/2021 12:26:44 8 1
bbc
I wonder if google eco maps will be more accurate than the fuel economy figures for cars - like small petrol 1 litre turbo cars quoted as doing 68mpg combined, but in practice manage 39mpg like your dads old 1.6 escort; but without the complications of turbos and fancy injection systems.
54
31/03/2021 13:05:32 2 1
bbc
My 1.6 non turbo charged house on wheels manages very good economy as long as I treat the accelerator gently and avoid high speed. At a gently driven 50mph I get 520 miles to the tank, foot hard down and using the unrestricted autobahn system to its fullest 190 miles - same car, same tank, same fuel. Makes a nonsense of CO2 based car tax... tax fuel, only fuel.
47
31/03/2021 12:46:25 14 1
bbc
Always depends on HOW you drive.

2.0l diesel I averaged 56.6mpg over 45,000 miles. Gentle acceleration, use the engine to break etc. Mixed use, not all motorway.

It's not difficult in any vehicle. Too many heavy footed types out there.
55
31/03/2021 13:06:42 0 1
bbc
Just posted my example so I wont repeat it but same car can do 190miles or 520 miles to the tank depending on how its driven. Tax fuel as that is where the CO2 comes from, not the car. Indeed scrap car tax totally, no need for it, no advantage in, just lots of paperwork and hassle.
98
31/03/2021 17:27:34 1 2
bbc
My 1994 discovery can do 600 miles per tank full.
So comparing tankfulls per mileage is rubbish.
Nothing to do with economy just volume
56
31/03/2021 13:07:09 6 5
bbc
Be smarter to tell drivers the routes are all blocked and they will have to go vast distances around. Deter traveling at all! ??
63
31/03/2021 14:23:21 3 2
bbc
You do really -hate- the very idea of anyone moving out of their house and garden, don't you?

But if something clever like that was tried, just to keep you happy, -most- drivers know that the huge, incerdibly high-definition screen in front of them is much more relevant to their driving than a phone or sat-nav!
53
31/03/2021 13:03:15 3 8
bbc
Roundabouts, traffic lights, traffic 'calming' (the ones that anger motorists and make them anything but calm by jolting the entire car, and anger the residents by causing screaming brakes and noises from hard accelerating idiots).

What would be better is for HMG to spend some of our billions of road tax on replacing roundabouts with better junctions. eg scrap the M25 roundabouts
57
31/03/2021 13:07:56 7 0
bbc
Except roundabouts cause less disruption to traffic flow than traffic lights, but having traffic lights on roundabouts negates their effectiveness.
35
31/03/2021 11:58:49 8 1
bbc
Fuel consumption and pollution are lowered by stop starts. Most cars running at a constant motorway speed will be about twice as economical on motorways as on rural or City roads.
You may drive longer but are not necessarily less polluting.
58
31/03/2021 13:09:33 1 0
bbc
stop start doesnt save as much as you think either, a modern vehicle on idle is really using very little fuel. It does require a drop more to start. It can result in the engine running cooler. It can also mean the oil is cooler and not circulating quite as well and causing more wear. As with most things its a mix. Fuel from air and it wouldnt matter anyway as the CO2 emitted was removed before.
70
31/03/2021 14:31:11 0 0
bbc
And you know so much more than the engineers at (insert car company name of your choice here) do you?
22
31/03/2021 11:06:46 3 6
bbc
Being an EV driver, I find I'm constantly wrestling with Google trying to take me the long way round on faster roads. Higher speeds are the biggest waste of fuel because air resistance increases at the square of velocity so driving at 55mph will use around 30% less energy than at 70mph. It would be ideal to see the overall estimated fuel consumption as well as the miles and time for each route.
59
31/03/2021 13:10:40 3 2
bbc
As an EV driver you shouldnt need google anyway, you cant venture more than walking distance from your home without a flat battery anyway.
17
31/03/2021 10:52:11 15 7
bbc
Walking, Cycling and Public Transport, thats the green map you need Google, invoice in the post.
60
31/03/2021 13:16:09 2 1
bbc
Yeah, lets see.... I used to be able to walk to the bus stop and take a bus to work, then the council cancelled the bus - the 'alternative' took over 4 hours for the 25 miles, and the home bus left before I arrived.
The cycling is ok except in winter when you arrive cold, wet - or get run over on the dark dual carriageway.
EVs - the affordable ones - cant cope with 50 miles on a dual carriageway.
61
31/03/2021 14:02:53 1 8
bbc
Potentially useful, but why can't the BBC just use the simple term 'hills', rather than "slopes" and "inclines"!?
62
31/03/2021 14:20:35 10 0
bbc
Because not all slopes and inclines are hills?

But then what would you moan about...
65
31/03/2021 14:13:08 6 0
bbc
Because some of us like big boy words

You really need to find bigger issues to complain about
61
31/03/2021 14:02:53 1 8
bbc
Potentially useful, but why can't the BBC just use the simple term 'hills', rather than "slopes" and "inclines"!?
62
31/03/2021 14:20:35 10 0
bbc
Because not all slopes and inclines are hills?

But then what would you moan about...
56
31/03/2021 13:07:09 6 5
bbc
Be smarter to tell drivers the routes are all blocked and they will have to go vast distances around. Deter traveling at all! ??
63
31/03/2021 14:23:21 3 2
bbc
You do really -hate- the very idea of anyone moving out of their house and garden, don't you?

But if something clever like that was tried, just to keep you happy, -most- drivers know that the huge, incerdibly high-definition screen in front of them is much more relevant to their driving than a phone or sat-nav!
83
31/03/2021 15:01:10 1 0
bbc
Indeed, I use the free 'windscreen app' for all the latest information.
96
31/03/2021 16:45:45 0 3
bbc
I'd be in favour of a ban on all private cars. With proper investment, buses, trams & trains could be an effective means of transport. No doubt white van man/woman would claim that their motor is essential to their job and should be allowed. This is fair enough, but only if they allow their van to be tracked so that its usage can be checked to ensure that it is for legitimate business use.
53
31/03/2021 13:03:15 3 8
bbc
Roundabouts, traffic lights, traffic 'calming' (the ones that anger motorists and make them anything but calm by jolting the entire car, and anger the residents by causing screaming brakes and noises from hard accelerating idiots).

What would be better is for HMG to spend some of our billions of road tax on replacing roundabouts with better junctions. eg scrap the M25 roundabouts
64
31/03/2021 14:24:16 1 0
bbc
what would you replace the roundabouts with, oh ace Highways Engineer?
61
31/03/2021 14:02:53 1 8
bbc
Potentially useful, but why can't the BBC just use the simple term 'hills', rather than "slopes" and "inclines"!?
65
31/03/2021 14:13:08 6 0
bbc
Because some of us like big boy words

You really need to find bigger issues to complain about
88
31/03/2021 15:23:40 0 0
bbc
Wouldn't they be mountains though... :-)
40
31/03/2021 12:10:00 7 16
bbc
total cobblers, more virtue signalling
66
31/03/2021 14:28:54 2 1
bbc
And you aren't virtue signalling, just showing that you don't give a monkeys about anyone who isn't you?

Can I invent a new phrase - "Arrogance Signalling", It seems to fit as many people as "Virtue Signalling" does...
81
31/03/2021 14:34:54 0 0
bbc
It's called "Vice Signaling". Spread the word
48
31/03/2021 12:49:25 7 0
bbc
"default route on the Google Maps app will be the "eco-friendly" option, unless users choose to opt out of it"

Why not;
Show 3 routes?
Fastest
Shortest
Most environmentally friendly
Plus differences between them
Most of the time these will be tiny, a few miles or a few minutes
67
31/03/2021 14:16:46 1 0
bbc
It's a fair point. Give us the info, and let us decide how to use it.

"What we are seeing is for around half of routes, we are able to find an option more eco-friendly with minimal or no time-cost trade-off"

Or just stick to the above? No issue for me with what they're doing, but some people will want to retain the choice, and some may wish to vice signal to show this
45
31/03/2021 12:29:18 19 0
bbc
All well and good but the more fundamental problem is directing vehicles down roads that are completely unsuitable.
For some reason drivers appear to be unable to take in signs about narrow road, low bridges and so on, just blindly following the satnav because it must be right.
68
31/03/2021 14:18:06 5 6
bbc
Are you telling me you've never turned left or right onto the tracks at a level crossing, because the satnav told you to turn there? You haven't lived...
137
31/03/2021 22:58:23 2 0
bbc
And you soon won't after.
40
31/03/2021 12:10:00 7 16
bbc
total cobblers, more virtue signalling
Removed
58
31/03/2021 13:09:33 1 0
bbc
stop start doesnt save as much as you think either, a modern vehicle on idle is really using very little fuel. It does require a drop more to start. It can result in the engine running cooler. It can also mean the oil is cooler and not circulating quite as well and causing more wear. As with most things its a mix. Fuel from air and it wouldnt matter anyway as the CO2 emitted was removed before.
70
31/03/2021 14:31:11 0 0
bbc
And you know so much more than the engineers at (insert car company name of your choice here) do you?
103
31/03/2021 17:31:18 1 0
bbc
Your a righttit ain't you
10
31/03/2021 10:25:11 10 5
bbc
Google maps cannot get its data correct.
Closed roads that are open, open roads that are closed!
It took Google 14 years to catch up with a hotel that had closed.
Their own pictures showed it derelict and burnt out. They still listed it as open.
Google needs to get its data up to date.
71
31/03/2021 14:37:25 2 1
bbc
So how up-to-date are your paper maps, then?
34
31/03/2021 11:53:03 12 11
bbc
So everyone switches to these recommended routes and ends up in a massive traffic jam

Congratulations Google for your early April Fool wind up
72
31/03/2021 14:21:21 0 0
bbc
Whereas what Google does now is different how, precisely? Isolate the environmental aspect, and they're still doing the same thing, and by your logic every motorist should all be stuck in one jam, unless your argument is illogical, which it is
84
31/03/2021 15:02:23 0 0
bbc
It's giving you more choices, you have the freedom to chose what works for you, it doesn't cost you anything either
31
31/03/2021 11:37:53 2 12
bbc
What a complete waste of time. I will never use this.
73
31/03/2021 14:23:47 0 0
bbc
It's the 2021 Vice Signaling Championships! A fairly feeble early attempt, but thanks for trying your best. Just to annoy you, you get a medal just for taking part
38
31/03/2021 12:05:43 10 2
bbc
Erm yes it is absolutely meaningless. It's a lazy term coined up to try to denigrate individuals/groups but without any evidence to support their argument. Instead, they throw around this label in the hopes that they sound smart but in reality it's just word salad.
74
31/03/2021 14:39:46 1 0
bbc
Yup, and usually used as an insult by people for whom "Arrogance Signalling" would be a good description...
18
31/03/2021 10:52:48 6 7
bbc
The joy of satnavs, hands up those who have been a victim of satnav misdirection such as been asked to proceed through locked farm gates and across muddy fields.
75
31/03/2021 14:42:14 7 0
bbc
All my cars have had this useful device called a windscreen - looking through it regularly can avoid many problems caused by over-reliance on technology
76
31/03/2021 14:45:06 4 2
bbc
I drove the eco route so I'm doing my bit...

... in my Range Rover

(Why is it everyone is buying 4x4 which is completely offsetting the emission savings of more efficient engines and electrification? They're unsafe for pedestrians and highly inefficient for road space and emissions).
90
31/03/2021 15:37:19 4 2
bbc
Have you seen the state of the roads lately?
94
31/03/2021 16:44:33 1 1
bbc
Because it's elitist cobblers
14
31/03/2021 10:32:27 3 3
bbc
what free OS app? I haven't found one yet that doesn't require payment of some sort. Yes the app is free, but then you have to pay for any maps/tiles you use.
77
31/03/2021 14:45:08 1 0
bbc
And, of course, Google would never sell your data, would they?

To quote Robert Anson Heinlein:

TANSTAAFL!

"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch!"
38
31/03/2021 12:05:43 10 2
bbc
Erm yes it is absolutely meaningless. It's a lazy term coined up to try to denigrate individuals/groups but without any evidence to support their argument. Instead, they throw around this label in the hopes that they sound smart but in reality it's just word salad.
78
31/03/2021 14:28:04 1 0
bbc
If you don't mind adding to word salad, "Vice Signaling" is the description of what's been posted above
51
31/03/2021 12:53:03 5 1
bbc
Going up M40 once, satnav took me off, round a roundabout back on in the opposite direction
10m down the road, took me off round the roundabout back in my original direction
10m up the road it tried to make me do the same & got really confused when I just ignored it
Kept telling me to turn round, knew it wrong so switched blooming thing off
Trust my own navigational skills, stuff the machine
79
31/03/2021 14:29:30 1 0
bbc
That's very weird. I wonder why it did that
1
31/03/2021 09:38:51 30 5
bbc
Lovely idea

But will it work like their active route changing for very busy routes does. Where everyone follows it and it ends up just as congested.

More people will take the eco route, creating tailbacks and more congestion and pollution than the original route...
80
31/03/2021 14:31:39 7 2
bbc
Unfortunately, Google have no control over the number of cars on the road. If Route A is congested, guess what? You're not the only person sent down Route B, so that will quickly be congested too
66
31/03/2021 14:28:54 2 1
bbc
And you aren't virtue signalling, just showing that you don't give a monkeys about anyone who isn't you?

Can I invent a new phrase - "Arrogance Signalling", It seems to fit as many people as "Virtue Signalling" does...
81
31/03/2021 14:34:54 0 0
bbc
It's called "Vice Signaling". Spread the word
87
31/03/2021 15:21:26 0 0
bbc
I'll bear that in mind :-)

There do seem to be plenty of people on here that either would fit, unfortunately...
52
31/03/2021 12:53:41 28 0
bbc
If they showed me the route with least potholes, I'd definitely use that.
82
31/03/2021 15:00:43 18 0
bbc
"No possible route found. Try again"
63
31/03/2021 14:23:21 3 2
bbc
You do really -hate- the very idea of anyone moving out of their house and garden, don't you?

But if something clever like that was tried, just to keep you happy, -most- drivers know that the huge, incerdibly high-definition screen in front of them is much more relevant to their driving than a phone or sat-nav!
83
31/03/2021 15:01:10 1 0
bbc
Indeed, I use the free 'windscreen app' for all the latest information.
72
31/03/2021 14:21:21 0 0
bbc
Whereas what Google does now is different how, precisely? Isolate the environmental aspect, and they're still doing the same thing, and by your logic every motorist should all be stuck in one jam, unless your argument is illogical, which it is
84
31/03/2021 15:02:23 0 0
bbc
It's giving you more choices, you have the freedom to chose what works for you, it doesn't cost you anything either
85
31/03/2021 15:03:34 2 3
bbc
Once we are all forced to use autonomous vehicles, how much of our country will become de facto out of bounds because your vehicle simply will not take you there?
30
31/03/2021 11:33:32 5 10
bbc
All routes start and end back at "home": the net positive/negative slope over the return journey will be....yep, zero.

If everyone uses these "eco routes" wont they become clogged up and "un-eco"?

Google etc already know when and where (nearly) everybody goes and what they do there, so now they are going to tell us how to get there as well.
86
31/03/2021 15:08:27 0 0
bbc
Flawed logic. If there was a big mountain range between points A and B, for example, it could be more eco-frienldly to take a slightly longer route round it. As for the clogging up argument - people don't all take the same route at the same time, and it would also take into account traffic anyway so it could be more eco friendly to go over the mountain anyway.
142
01/04/2021 02:18:38 0 0
bbc
People don’t take the same route at the same time ? What about A406 at 6pm?
81
31/03/2021 14:34:54 0 0
bbc
It's called "Vice Signaling". Spread the word
87
31/03/2021 15:21:26 0 0
bbc
I'll bear that in mind :-)

There do seem to be plenty of people on here that either would fit, unfortunately...
65
31/03/2021 14:13:08 6 0
bbc
Because some of us like big boy words

You really need to find bigger issues to complain about
88
31/03/2021 15:23:40 0 0
bbc
Wouldn't they be mountains though... :-)
53
31/03/2021 13:03:15 3 8
bbc
Roundabouts, traffic lights, traffic 'calming' (the ones that anger motorists and make them anything but calm by jolting the entire car, and anger the residents by causing screaming brakes and noises from hard accelerating idiots).

What would be better is for HMG to spend some of our billions of road tax on replacing roundabouts with better junctions. eg scrap the M25 roundabouts
89
31/03/2021 15:27:53 1 0
bbc
Take out traffic lights and bring back free-flowing roundabouts. I agree on the M25 ones though. Long delayed investment needed for A3 to M25 (and probably others), a proper connected elevated exit road was proposed that would cut average wait in rush hour by 10 minutes and instead they will just widen the traffic light roundabout, which will solve nothing. Steel flyovers can be built in days.
127
31/03/2021 20:33:19 0 0
bbc
Yes. Or, for busy junctions, use a cloverleaf flyover so "straight through" traffic doesn't need to slow at all.

And for ****'s sake build cycle lanes so that semi-mobile chicanes are removed from trunk routes. The way things are, I reckon increased cycle use increases total fuel consumption rather than "saving the planet".
76
31/03/2021 14:45:06 4 2
bbc
I drove the eco route so I'm doing my bit...

... in my Range Rover

(Why is it everyone is buying 4x4 which is completely offsetting the emission savings of more efficient engines and electrification? They're unsafe for pedestrians and highly inefficient for road space and emissions).
90
31/03/2021 15:37:19 4 2
bbc
Have you seen the state of the roads lately?
91
31/03/2021 15:34:41 2 7
bbc
What a load of Toss , what you need is a big grumbling V8 tearing your arse around the racetrack or roads as me and my friends call them.
92
31/03/2021 16:08:24 7 1
bbc
Are they going to take you on the roads avoiding all the major potholes?.
110
31/03/2021 18:42:04 3 0
bbc
Are there any? The repairs only last to the next winter
.
93
31/03/2021 16:42:56 3 2
bbc
How about a HGV or trailor filter 1st google, and while your at it colour uk roads correctly. Motorways are blue on UK maps.
Or are you to lazy yankcentric to bother
76
31/03/2021 14:45:06 4 2
bbc
I drove the eco route so I'm doing my bit...

... in my Range Rover

(Why is it everyone is buying 4x4 which is completely offsetting the emission savings of more efficient engines and electrification? They're unsafe for pedestrians and highly inefficient for road space and emissions).
94
31/03/2021 16:44:33 1 1
bbc
Because it's elitist cobblers
53
31/03/2021 13:03:15 3 8
bbc
Roundabouts, traffic lights, traffic 'calming' (the ones that anger motorists and make them anything but calm by jolting the entire car, and anger the residents by causing screaming brakes and noises from hard accelerating idiots).

What would be better is for HMG to spend some of our billions of road tax on replacing roundabouts with better junctions. eg scrap the M25 roundabouts
95
31/03/2021 16:45:29 1 0
bbc
Your obviously not a driver are you?
63
31/03/2021 14:23:21 3 2
bbc
You do really -hate- the very idea of anyone moving out of their house and garden, don't you?

But if something clever like that was tried, just to keep you happy, -most- drivers know that the huge, incerdibly high-definition screen in front of them is much more relevant to their driving than a phone or sat-nav!
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31/03/2021 16:45:45 0 3
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I'd be in favour of a ban on all private cars. With proper investment, buses, trams & trains could be an effective means of transport. No doubt white van man/woman would claim that their motor is essential to their job and should be allowed. This is fair enough, but only if they allow their van to be tracked so that its usage can be checked to ensure that it is for legitimate business use.
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31/03/2021 17:23:22 5 0
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You don't understand the necessity for personal transport in 90% of the UK that has no alternative public transport.
Ok if you live in a major city while the rest of us can go whistle
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01/04/2021 09:06:09 1 0
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So presumably you live in a city with good public transport, and don't have any friends or relatives who don't have access to public trabsport either?

In your world, -you- might not need a car, but a lot of the rest of us do!
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31/03/2021 16:45:45 0 3
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I'd be in favour of a ban on all private cars. With proper investment, buses, trams & trains could be an effective means of transport. No doubt white van man/woman would claim that their motor is essential to their job and should be allowed. This is fair enough, but only if they allow their van to be tracked so that its usage can be checked to ensure that it is for legitimate business use.
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31/03/2021 17:23:22 5 0
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You don't understand the necessity for personal transport in 90% of the UK that has no alternative public transport.
Ok if you live in a major city while the rest of us can go whistle
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31/03/2021 13:06:42 0 1
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Just posted my example so I wont repeat it but same car can do 190miles or 520 miles to the tank depending on how its driven. Tax fuel as that is where the CO2 comes from, not the car. Indeed scrap car tax totally, no need for it, no advantage in, just lots of paperwork and hassle.
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31/03/2021 17:27:34 1 2
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My 1994 discovery can do 600 miles per tank full.
So comparing tankfulls per mileage is rubbish.
Nothing to do with economy just volume
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31/03/2021 12:20:28 8 4
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And I wonder how much energy that additional data crunching will consume in Google's Data Centres?
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31/03/2021 17:28:31 3 1
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Bleedin loads so there goes the planet with another non bright idea
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31/03/2021 11:08:06 8 2
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All of which they’ve done for years already!
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31/03/2021 17:19:48 2 0
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Not very well though, unless you don't mind cycling down a dual carriageway, and mixing with fast traffic. There isn't any intelligence at all to keep you on quieter lanes that are much more pleasant and safer to be on. Luckily there are quite a few apps that do though - I'd never use google maps to plan routes for much other than driving...