A few frequent flyers 'dominate air travel'
31/03/2021 | news | science | 780
Those who fly more should be taxed more, and air miles incentives should be banned, campaigners say.
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31/03/2021 09:36:56 29 21
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"There are calls for a frequent flyer levy - a tax that increases the more you fly each year."

They do pay more tax the more they fly, that's how tax works.
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31/03/2021 09:47:12 24 6
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The question is whether it should increase exponentially to deter such frequent flying...Climate change will affect the poorest most
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31/03/2021 11:06:10 0 0
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They fly more than they need to because they can afford it.
Damaging the future of others unnecessarily is unacceptable.
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31/03/2021 09:37:05 18 19
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People who fly frequently already pay more tax.
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31/03/2021 09:53:51 9 0
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You are missing the point: the proposal is for there to be an exponential rise in that tax amount. Currently it's linear.
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31/03/2021 09:37:48 45 19
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People who have more spare cash are able to fly around the world more than those who can't afford to. How insightful.
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31/03/2021 10:12:32 22 1
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It's making the point that its curtailment won't affect the majority.
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31/03/2021 10:15:28 3 2
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Brought to you from The University of The Bleedin' Obvious
Must have cost the BBC a small fortune from the TV Tax to bring us this pearl of wisdom
You couldn't make it up, or could you?
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31/03/2021 09:37:52 22 8
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If you have a job that requires you to travel extensively, then the one time you travel for your holiday you get taxed to the heavens? Should the company you work for pay the tax? Lots of difficult questions in this...
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31/03/2021 09:52:52 7 2
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you raise a very good point here, which needs to be addressed and ensure there are no loops holes to allow allow transferring of business and personal allowances
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31/03/2021 09:38:10 309 17
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Quelle surprise. We have had to close our business since Boxing day with absolutely no income (and the grants are pitiful) while Rita Ora gets to fly to Australia to make money working on a music show, even after breaking Covid regs several times. Definitely them and us. I'm sick of it.
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31/03/2021 09:48:26 204 8
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While I've spent a year working 6 or 7 days a week alone in a tiny one-room flat, told not to go anywhere in the same country lest it kill people, and no chance of a summer respite from the grinding gloom unless I want to pay a massive fine. But if you're a rich celebrity, lockdown either doesn't exist or can be bought off with fines which to them are less than a round of drinks. What's the point?
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31/03/2021 10:08:51 40 5
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Nothing has changed over the last year
The rich and privelged continue to do as they please while the rest of us proles suffer the consequences
In it all together my Ar**
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31/03/2021 10:10:04 17 34
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Best keep voting for parties like Conservatives, UKIP, and whatever the man-of-the-people Farage is at these days, they have your best interests at heart and they don't perpetuate this rich/poor divide. Things are so much better after years and years of Conservative rule aren't they? Everyone's quite right to be absolutely terrified of the extreme-left opposition, as they now have in the USA.
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31/03/2021 10:18:21 8 15
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You are lucky, 3 million people have been excluded from any COVID support whatsover. Totally abandoned by this government and country. That means not even 1p help and cannot earn 1p since March 2020! Shame on this government and people in this country.
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31/03/2021 10:22:39 2 6
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Do something about it then.
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31/03/2021 10:35:42 14 1
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But if celebs can't fly to exotic locations, how can they influence us via Instagram ?
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31/03/2021 10:43:26 1 5
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All flights should be taxed. Why make a difference between FF'ers and others? The poor don't fly.
And stop FF schemes.
If you stop FF schemes, the empty seats will get filled by people who don't fly frequently.
Only taxing the FF'ers is a typical idea of green Greens.
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31/03/2021 11:40:44 2 1
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You are part of 'them' if you fly, most don't.
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31/03/2021 12:32:22 1 1
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I think you find most of frequent flyers are business people. The makes out as if it is rich people, define rich when you can fly for 100 euros. The article failed to declare the type of person flying. Define frequent.
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31/03/2021 19:35:56 0 0
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I'm hearing the "up against the wall" coming - time to get over it - the ulcer awaits
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31/03/2021 09:38:51 9 11
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Shock, horror ........ less than 1% of the population take 100% of flights ............ they are called pilots!
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31/03/2021 09:40:49 2 6
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Not if you are counting seats occupied...

But then you couldn't look clever, could you?
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31/03/2021 09:42:57 4 3
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serious issue, idiotic comment
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31/03/2021 09:39:55 133 34
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Instead of trying to tax the rich in stupid convoluted ways. Just tax them like you tax everyone else, remove the loopholes that allow them to pay themselves £25k and then get the rest in low tax dividends. Tax them on their actual annual wealth. Tax the massive businesses they work for too. It isnt hard, if they dont like it, they are free to go move somewhere else.
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31/03/2021 09:44:48 82 41
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You really don't understand how any tax system works, do you...

"Tax them on their actual annual wealth"

Would you like to be taxed every year on the value of your house, or would that only apply to rich people...

And what do you define "rich" as, I wonder?
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JM
31/03/2021 09:47:15 23 5
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Dividends are paid out of company profits, those dividends have already had corporation tax deducted. There is some squaring up could be done, but the “tax advantage” is nowhere near as big as some people think.
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31/03/2021 09:54:19 32 13
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You display your ignorance of how the tax system works and confirm the politicised debasement of our language. "Fair" now means "as much as possible that doesn't actually effect me" just like "cut" now means "reduced increase". The top 20% of earners already pay about 80+% of the total tax-take - that's considerably more than "fair" in the correct use of the word.
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31/03/2021 09:55:27 9 5
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LOL. Ridiculous.
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31/03/2021 09:59:41 20 11
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It's so easy to suggest that people and businesses are free to go somewhere else, but if they do, then the UK loses 100% tax income from those people and businesses. Instead of 'bashing the wealthy' (simply because they are wealthy), think about the money they bring in to the country that helps keep taxes down for everyone else.
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31/03/2021 10:19:03 13 4
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Dude - you have no clue at all, zero, about dividend taxation (and the associated corporation taxation).
Corp tax at 19% from the first £1 (unlike income tax which has £12.5K tax-free).
Div tax is 7.5% after that, so a combined 26.5%.
The higher rate of div tax is 32.5% (on top of the 19% corp tax already paid - so 51.5%).
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31/03/2021 10:44:28 7 7
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Tax on dividends is not low

No loopholes

Yes NI is lower

They are classed as income and taxed at the normal tax rates

In addition corporation taxes are paid

Try check out facts before you post nonsense based on jealousy and misinformation
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31/03/2021 10:46:12 4 0
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Yeah there's no way they would be able to get round that by just putting their property / vehicles etc. in trust funds, holdings, other peoples names etc. ........
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31/03/2021 11:34:06 0 0
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I have just learnt that JCB were given a £600,000 business loan last year with no end date. Also learnt that they are a tax avoider and like Virgin Care receiving billions in contracts, work it that they don’t pay tax. I am getting sick and tired as to what is really going on here. As a pleb, even my taxed income is taxed again.
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31/03/2021 11:34:52 1 0
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exactly , remove loopholes, but this has to happen globally .
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31/03/2021 09:39:58 65 9
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Pre Brexit I worked a lot between a UK & EU office. As part of our company's commitment to being green, we used to travel by Eurostar. Took a lot longer and was more expensive, but we only have one planet that we know of that we can live on.
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JM
31/03/2021 09:44:09 36 59
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And thanks to Brexit, Eurostar is at risk.
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31/03/2021 09:56:59 6 4
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But did you really need to travel at all?
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31/03/2021 10:37:07 2 3
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??Do you have any idea how much power those behemoths take to run? That journey from London to, say, Paris will burn around 20 kWh of energy per passenger one way, around 40% of which is produced from fossil fuels in the EU. 20 kWh is two days’ worth of electricity consumption for a typical UK household. Yes it’s probably less polluting than flying, but it’s far from “green”.
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01/04/2021 00:10:44 0 0
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eurostar worked for me, but then I needed to get into the centre of paris. My door to Gare du Nord was quicker by eurostar than plane and gave me a bigger chunk of time to do something in.
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31/03/2021 09:40:12 67 15
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As a travel writer for AWE365.com I fly quite a lot. However I would be in favour of a frequent flyer tax. Before the pandemic I was already trying to reduce flights by travelling by train and merging press trips together. We are all in it together and those who do the damage should pay the price.
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31/03/2021 10:05:51 25 1
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Nice business plug ??
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31/03/2021 10:08:48 4 0
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APD? The more you fly the more you’re taxed already
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31/03/2021 10:36:07 0 0
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Presumably you'd just claim the cost on expenses? It's easy to be in favour of something that wouldn't cost you anything personally.
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31/03/2021 09:40:34 158 11
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As this would target those with power and influence, don't hold your breath.
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31/03/2021 11:00:01 23 70
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It is targeting ordinary people under the guise of hitting the rich. The climate nutjobs and the lockdown zealots are on the same page. They want to exert complete control and subdue humanity.
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31/03/2021 11:00:15 8 5
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Far from air miles and other rewards, price of tickets should double with green tax, each time a passenger needs to fly again in a year.
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31/03/2021 09:38:51 9 11
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Shock, horror ........ less than 1% of the population take 100% of flights ............ they are called pilots!
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31/03/2021 09:40:49 2 6
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Not if you are counting seats occupied...

But then you couldn't look clever, could you?
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31/03/2021 09:41:00 38 18
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Personally, I find it difficult to criticise people who may need to travel frequently as part of their jobs that may create other jobs and wealth for people and Governments.

Some things cannot be done over Zoom etc.
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31/03/2021 09:58:47 42 4
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My Uncle is in finance and he said the Pandemic has shown that it's actually at least 90% of the reason they travelled abroad could habe easily been done on Zoom or other platforms. Flyong was just a luxury. It'll actually save the company more money in the long run.
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31/03/2021 10:07:06 3 1
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But most can.
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31/03/2021 10:22:04 1 0
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Can you give an example of a task that can't be done remotely?
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31/03/2021 09:41:51 10 14
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What rubbish.. I have a low paid job, don't have my own place, etc, but I fly frequently.. it's what I like to do. People are already taxed when they earn!
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31/03/2021 09:49:36 3 2
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you probably won't be able to afford to do so in the future, the days of lost-cost flights won't last much longer
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31/03/2021 10:07:53 1 1
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And of course taxed through Air Passenger Duty so that the more and further they fly the more tax they pay.
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31/03/2021 09:42:11 10 5
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The joke is people are not meant to be going on vacation and yet I know a number of frequent overseas flyers ignoring the rules with no consequence. Sort out quarantine and the borders UK government.
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31/03/2021 09:56:41 1 0
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If that's true the airline would have found out by now and I'd actually be interested to find out where they're going. I know for a fact that travelling to Germany, Spain and Italy could land you in jail or a massive fine when you land if you're lying about why you left the UK.
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31/03/2021 09:42:48 50 32
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25 years ago there was no such things as Air Passenger Duty. Now, every time we fly, we are taxed. The more that we fly, the more tax that we pay. If we are 'rich' and fly in a more expensive cabin, we are taxed at a higher rate. So what exactly needs to be fixed here?
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31/03/2021 10:07:49 43 14
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The amount of flying has to be reduced; it really is very simple.
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31/03/2021 09:42:53 17 16
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Where to start with this. I am not a frequent flier, but do use planes on occasions. The more you fly the more you pay on tax etc , and keep people in a job.I wonder who the Uk citizens assembly is, neither they or Green peace speak for me even though these groups seem to make the arrogant assumption that they speak for all. The idea of greater tax is ridiculous, it needs binning
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31/03/2021 09:38:51 9 11
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Shock, horror ........ less than 1% of the population take 100% of flights ............ they are called pilots!
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31/03/2021 09:42:57 4 3
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serious issue, idiotic comment
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31/03/2021 09:42:58 11 7
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I have flown from London City to Zurich twice in the space of 4 months pre-covid.

Same flight and time.

I was amazed to see a number of the same people on the same flights.

They must fly City to Zurich there and back maybe every day.

WHY?
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31/03/2021 10:02:15 7 0
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So you flew twice and saw the same people and your conclusion is they must fly every day? Maybe they thought the same thing when they saw you?
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31/03/2021 10:06:09 4 2
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I flew London to Brussels a few times pre Brexit. Full of MEPs and Eurocrats all flying Business Class of course and all funded by the tax payer. A frequent flyer levy wouldn’t affect them at all
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31/03/2021 10:06:50 2 1
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Many people commute to work this way.
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31/03/2021 09:42:58 11 12
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This tax isn’t just about raisinh money. It’s about changing behaviours. CO2 emissions are proving hard to cleanup.

We shouldn’t be letting the few destroy the planet. End of.
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31/03/2021 09:57:11 0 1
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The power to tax is given to government for the SOLE PURPOSE of raising funds to meet their obligations & duty of care to citizens. Misuse of this power for social engineering should be resisted out of hand.
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31/03/2021 09:43:19 252 15
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lol, when it's the rich that have to fork out it is always difficult to implement and when it's the poor that have to fork out it's done almost straight away.
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31/03/2021 09:53:59 92 18
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Welcome to Capitalism.
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31/03/2021 09:59:57 21 3
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I've always despaired at how easily the 99% are controlled by the 1% through politics.
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31/03/2021 14:45:34 0 1
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Not even a moment's hesitation. Well the Tories have to think of their sponsors!
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31/03/2021 09:43:23 5 13
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First flight per tax year is free of tax. The next flight is £40 tax, then it doubles each time, making more than ten flights a year very expensive, maybe even another multiplier based on distance and there is no cap, resets end of each tax year (April). Yes you could fly twice in a month and not pay tax, but then you've got a whole year to wait again.
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31/03/2021 10:03:33 1 0
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As most flights I make are on business this would a) cost my employers a lot, and b) mean I couldn’t afford to fly for leisure at all. No thanks
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31/03/2021 10:20:24 0 0
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are you planning to admin this scheme ?best of luck
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31/03/2021 09:43:39 22 9
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I'd expect better reporting standards by the BBC. What dates did this study cover? If 2020, this was a very atypical year?

What is the criteria to be in the 15% wealthy population?

Number of flights also do not equal total emissions.

I'm sure the wealthy are over represented, but this article needs better information.
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31/03/2021 09:44:04 12 12
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I cant wait to get on a plane again and fly, bring it on
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31/03/2021 09:39:58 65 9
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Pre Brexit I worked a lot between a UK & EU office. As part of our company's commitment to being green, we used to travel by Eurostar. Took a lot longer and was more expensive, but we only have one planet that we know of that we can live on.
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JM
31/03/2021 09:44:09 36 59
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And thanks to Brexit, Eurostar is at risk.
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31/03/2021 09:55:39 13 4
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How are Eurostar's financial woes linked to Brexit?
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31/03/2021 10:01:17 16 1
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Eurostar couldn't opperate over the border because of Covid not Brexit ??
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31/03/2021 10:09:21 7 1
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Why?
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31/03/2021 10:20:04 5 16
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If Eurostar goes to the wall because it's business model cannot change with the times that's it's problem not ours
Why should it be bailed out so a few Londoners can go for lunch in France and bring back cheese cheap plonk?
Flood the tunnel, it's outlived it's purpose and would cut off one way illegal immigrants try to enter the UK despite having already passed through several safe countries
Its covid you retard ...and french owned hows that for 2 facts that upset your day Removed
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31/03/2021 18:25:57 1 0
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It is not because of brevity that eurostar is at risk. This a false statement
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31/03/2021 09:44:26 42 29
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Take the money back from all the Billionaires and Tory chums that have made a literal killing out of Brexit and the covid. The rich are hoovering up the world's wealth. Bad days ahead.....
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31/03/2021 09:52:09 19 26
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Tripe
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31/03/2021 09:52:40 7 1
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You do realise a lot of Labour MPs also wanted Brexit, just like half the Tories didn't want Brexit. Quite a lot of parties had MPs in favour of it. The PM at the time of the vote campaigned against it.
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31/03/2021 10:09:30 6 3
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Presumably such comment is either deliberate 'to get a rise' out of people or is based on a huge chip on your shoulder and how unfair it is that anyone has more money than you. Lots of people earn more money than you and me and those same people pay a lot more tax too. Let's stop being a jealous nation and try to bring everyone 'down' to the lowest level and instead be inspired to be better.
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31/03/2021 21:06:12 0 0
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Tosh
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31/03/2021 09:44:39 18 15
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Why the constant witch hunt against the aviation industry?
Is it because it's a very responsible and well regulated industry and therefore an easy target to lobby ?
Far better educate the people of litter Britain to stop trashing their countryside and use road transport and haulage less.
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31/03/2021 09:51:06 3 2
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It's not a witch hunt against them. If anything, it'll more than likely help them out in the long run. Everything they do to cut emissions seems to help industries that cause them somehow eventually.
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31/03/2021 09:51:24 3 0
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Far better to deal with both issues. They are not mutually exclusive.
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31/03/2021 09:39:55 133 34
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Instead of trying to tax the rich in stupid convoluted ways. Just tax them like you tax everyone else, remove the loopholes that allow them to pay themselves £25k and then get the rest in low tax dividends. Tax them on their actual annual wealth. Tax the massive businesses they work for too. It isnt hard, if they dont like it, they are free to go move somewhere else.
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31/03/2021 09:44:48 82 41
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You really don't understand how any tax system works, do you...

"Tax them on their actual annual wealth"

Would you like to be taxed every year on the value of your house, or would that only apply to rich people...

And what do you define "rich" as, I wonder?
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31/03/2021 09:56:31 5 6
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I#m not advocating it but that's how it's done in many places around the world. Even includes your car!
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31/03/2021 10:29:14 11 4
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"Would you like to be taxed every year on the value of your house". I AM; it's called "council tax", ex-rates. The advantage of a tax on buildings is that you can't hide them; some countries with a weak tax system occasionally have an extra one-off building tax when they're short.
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31/03/2021 10:29:35 18 4
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So my council tax is about 5% of my YEARLY earnings pre tax. on a Band C property. worth about £300k.
Mr Rich guy in his 5 million pound mansion pays £3700 a year in council tax. That is 0.37% of his earnings at least assuming he earns over a million.
No that isnt fair, They work same hours as me, work just as hard, but earn way more. A more even distribution of wealth is the ideal of society
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31/03/2021 11:15:38 0 0
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I think you must have a million pound house :D
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31/03/2021 09:42:06 12 9
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I think there is some confusion around this tax in the comments. Of course the more you fly the more you pay in tax, it is a flat rate tax, but the tax doesn't cover the massive amount of emissions produced by flying. If the tax was levied equally across all flights it would hit regular holiday makers hard.
This step up tax rate acts as incentive for companies and frequent flyers to cut down.
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31/03/2021 10:01:08 2 2
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Surely if the aim is to reduce carbon emissions then it makes most sense to apply it to all flights?
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31/03/2021 09:45:19 10 17
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I haven't been on a plane in 19 months. I usually have at least 10 flights a year. I will protest if the Government keeps a ban on foreign travel.
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31/03/2021 09:49:14 10 7
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Do grow up.
I think global health is more important than the myriad of holidays you have a year that you're bragging about. Get real.
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31/03/2021 09:45:27 160 31
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This pandemic has shattered the myth that business people need to jet all over the world for meetings etc. They do it because they like it as with technology most business trips are totally unnecessary
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31/03/2021 09:53:26 46 55
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Not really. We live in a world where we are supposed to be wary about people's mental well being, and personal human interaction is a big part of that. The pandemic has leant me to consider flying less, but it is not conceivable to stop conducting face to face meetings and customer or supplier visits
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31/03/2021 09:59:04 15 14
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No. As someone who has traveled a lot on business I can assure you I don’t do it because I want to; in fact wherever possible I avoid it. As an IT consultant I am also firmly of the opinion that technology does not make most trips “totally unnecessary”
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31/03/2021 10:03:45 15 8
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Sometimes it is better to have a face to face meeting, and yes a lot can be done virtually - but its not the same - how about you live in your room for the next ten years - not going out - only contacting people via zoom ?

People need to interact with each other - why do you think the young generate are having so many mental / health issues ?

IT doesnt solve everything.
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31/03/2021 10:21:47 10 6
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The UK economy is primarily built on service industries. Being successful in a service business often relies on the strength of customer relationships. Those relationships would weaken if the UK business didn't visit an international customer, whereas a competitor in the customers locality did. The notion that business trips are totally unnecessary is unfounded.
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31/03/2021 10:35:54 10 6
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you clearly have no clue what you are talking about. Much of what happens at a meeting is in the body language or the shared cup of coffee at the break time... relationship building leads to better business and that doesn't happen on Zoom
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31/03/2021 10:54:27 7 1
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Less travel is possible but meeting new and existing customers in person can bring in so much more business and improve efficiency. Travel can't and shouldn't go away in our global world.
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31/03/2021 11:02:25 2 0
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Business travel is not fun, and most of us would stop it if we could. I cannot conduct safety surveys of our warehouse operations by zoom. 10 hours on an overnight flight in economy (we don’t all get business class) followed by 3 12 hour days of surveys and a 10 hour overnight return flight. No time for any sightseeing. No, business travel is not fun, but in my case is essential.
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31/03/2021 11:10:55 1 0
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Not Really anywhere near the truth. I do a lot of working from home now. I also travel all over the place as my job is hands on. Various quarantine rules around the world just mean my office looks like a different hotel room almost every month. I would end up having to pay more tax for the luxury of almost never getting home. Foreign travel is not all beached pools and drinks. It's hard!
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31/03/2021 11:43:28 1 0
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Its much easier to do business face to face but given the alternatives the internet is a viable alternative in most cases
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31/03/2021 12:02:38 1 0
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There's a lot more than meetings. Factory inspections, equipment commissioning, trade fairs. You can't really reduce flying for those without having offices in every region you work in (which is really expensive).
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31/03/2021 19:37:34 0 0
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Perhaps they don't love their wives

I have to say 5 to 10 drinks in a executive lounge followed by an overnight flight to the states has limited appeal by the 3 time

Perhaps I'm easily bored
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31/03/2021 09:45:52 8 4
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Greenpeace wants Air Miles banned. Always thought they were a bit of a con like Green Shield stamps and Players No 6 ciggie vouchers (my late Mum's) of yesteryear. Spend years saving them, spending a fortune only to lose them or trade them in for a packet of fruit gums.
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31/03/2021 09:46:05 96 13
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An extra tax on the wealthy? Can't even get them to pay the amount of tax they are supposed to as it is due to loopholes. Just ask Lorraine Kelly or Piers Morgan for example who have never been employed by ITV but are in fact freelance journalists, nudge nudge wink wink. Good idea, especially regarding the environment, but closing existing loopholes should be the priority.
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31/03/2021 09:55:21 15 31
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You do know that freelance journalists pay tax as well don't you.
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31/03/2021 10:25:00 2 5
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They are no more employed by itv than the plumber who comes to fix your tap is employed by you. Services paid for
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31/03/2021 10:48:09 1 0
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Yes you can - by doing this - taxing what they buy a lot of.
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31/03/2021 09:46:22 9 16
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Another Tory scam to keep us chained to Alcatraz. Very soon only those who are super rich or on expenses will be allowed to fly and the rest will be confined to little England.
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31/03/2021 09:49:52 8 2
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the UK son the uk..not just engerland
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31/03/2021 10:14:53 0 0
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Ignorant comment from someone who has no sense of reality. There's nothing wrong with preferring another political party over the Conservatives, but don't use that as a reason to talk b@!!@*^&.
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31/03/2021 09:47:04 97 29
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This article ignores the fact that many of those people who fly frequently do so for work, not because they are rich. I used to take around 100 flights a year but that was part of my job touring the world with various bands. I was flying economy nearly all the time and although I was reasonably well paid, I'm certainly not rich.
I'm not disagreeing that things need to change though.
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31/03/2021 10:01:28 61 11
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Then you were flying for work, so just as the cost of your flight was presumably not paid out of your pocket (or you claimed it back), nor would the tax be. If you were self employed then you would still be charging your services at a rate where you recouped all your costs.
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31/03/2021 10:08:00 11 2
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Very much so. I spent about 20 years flying all over the world for work. Not quite at your level but typically 15 to 20 trips a year (30-40 flights) but since worked changed I've had one foreign in 6 years.
Lots of people fly because they have too, not because they chose to. Who in their right mind would spend any more time in airports if they had a choice.
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31/03/2021 10:09:06 6 23
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Haven't you heard of video conferencing ? This is the 21st Century, grandad.
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31/03/2021 10:09:32 16 2
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Fine, then your employer should pay. Business flights have the same environmental impact as holiday flights. If your business wants to save money, it will question whether those trips are worth the financial and environmental cost.

I fly to Ireland regularly but would happily get the train + ferry if it wasn't 5x the cost! Increase taxes on flights, subsidise rail and bus services.
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31/03/2021 10:28:47 1 1
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With the massive leap forward in the technology supporting virtual meetings online; the continued justification for business-related air-travel and frequent flying has surely become more tenuous than ever before.
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31/03/2021 10:43:11 2 1
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Which would add to the costs of the business, put up their prices to cover the tax and price them out of the market compared to countries that do not have this tax. Well done on destroying British business.
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31/03/2021 12:34:51 0 0
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The same here, I worked in the aviation industry and had more than several flights a year for Business and flew mostly economy.
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31/03/2021 13:25:48 0 0
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Then companies will game the system - each person will travel up to the non-taxable limit and then another employee will travel in that persons stead. It will create inefficiencies. It in case, the true cost will be paid by the consumer of whom that 57% of non-fliers will share the burden. It's not like companies are spending money on travel without discretion.
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Sgb
31/03/2021 09:47:11 20 21
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Is this even news ? Or have the greenie, lefty Liberals at the BBC got to fill a gap in their "news" reporting ?
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31/03/2021 09:55:28 7 1
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Yes, it's news.

It may be news you don't like, but that's not important.
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31/03/2021 10:03:04 1 0
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Well it can't always be tiresome gammon rara Churchill Union Flag triumphalistic tosh...
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31/03/2021 10:44:22 1 0
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What an utterly inane comment.
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31/03/2021 09:36:56 29 21
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"There are calls for a frequent flyer levy - a tax that increases the more you fly each year."

They do pay more tax the more they fly, that's how tax works.
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31/03/2021 09:47:12 24 6
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The question is whether it should increase exponentially to deter such frequent flying...Climate change will affect the poorest most
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31/03/2021 09:57:39 1 5
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Or will it as they seem to reproduce the most and their offspring may more likely succeed, evolution is full of surprises.
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31/03/2021 10:52:55 0 1
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Do the same for other forms of transport including your car

Increase car fuel costs exponentially

Increase public transport fares exponentially as well

Maybe introduce travel rationing books

Bet you wouldn't like it

Take your blinkers off
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31/03/2021 10:58:09 0 1
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Would it actually make a difference to the individual though? Those who travel for work claim it through the company, those who are rich enough may be able to put the cost through their company too, so no improvement
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31/03/2021 09:39:55 133 34
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Instead of trying to tax the rich in stupid convoluted ways. Just tax them like you tax everyone else, remove the loopholes that allow them to pay themselves £25k and then get the rest in low tax dividends. Tax them on their actual annual wealth. Tax the massive businesses they work for too. It isnt hard, if they dont like it, they are free to go move somewhere else.
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JM
31/03/2021 09:47:15 23 5
bbc
Dividends are paid out of company profits, those dividends have already had corporation tax deducted. There is some squaring up could be done, but the “tax advantage” is nowhere near as big as some people think.
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31/03/2021 09:47:34 5 10
bbc
15% are wealthy fliers. 57% don't go abroad at all. So why no mention of the other 38% who board a Ryanair 737 for a cheap booze filled holiday in some grotty Spanish costa?
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31/03/2021 09:49:33 14 2
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Check your numbers...
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31/03/2021 09:57:10 0 0
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You've missed the point entirely. 15% of the UK population are repsonsible for 70% of all UK flights and emissions. That's the bit you need to understand. Not sure what your point/problem is with some people having an annual summer holiday.
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31/03/2021 09:38:10 309 17
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Quelle surprise. We have had to close our business since Boxing day with absolutely no income (and the grants are pitiful) while Rita Ora gets to fly to Australia to make money working on a music show, even after breaking Covid regs several times. Definitely them and us. I'm sick of it.
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31/03/2021 09:48:26 204 8
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While I've spent a year working 6 or 7 days a week alone in a tiny one-room flat, told not to go anywhere in the same country lest it kill people, and no chance of a summer respite from the grinding gloom unless I want to pay a massive fine. But if you're a rich celebrity, lockdown either doesn't exist or can be bought off with fines which to them are less than a round of drinks. What's the point?
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31/03/2021 10:20:37 26 4
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And here too is a prime reason why our government refused to close our borders through the pandemic - to facilitate the "windswept and interesting" lifestyles these privileged few lead and all that lovely money they spend.

The health risks of doing that were so very much secondary.
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Yeh
31/03/2021 10:33:24 12 20
bbc
Stop talking nonsense. These ppl are essential travellers who give a reason for going. If you have a reasonable excuse to travel then who is stopping you.
393
31/03/2021 10:53:21 15 0
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Why not fine rule-breakers as a percentage of their income, starting with a minimum fine at the bottom of the range? Perhaps if they lost a large chunk of their concert profits, it may be some discouragement?
400
31/03/2021 10:54:44 9 5
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The point is this is why we vote for left leaning governments. Right wing ones are pro this behaviour and actively encourage is with their contracts to mates.
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31/03/2021 09:48:41 9 16
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Daft idea. As others have mentioned fliers already pay high levels of tax on each leg of a journey. I suspect the very wealthy will be undeterred by such measures. Most importantly, this will disproportionately affect UK businesses and global competitiveness. Not everything can be done via video conferencing - especially in some cultures where meeting in person is essential to winning new work.
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31/03/2021 09:45:19 10 17
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I haven't been on a plane in 19 months. I usually have at least 10 flights a year. I will protest if the Government keeps a ban on foreign travel.
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31/03/2021 09:49:14 10 7
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Do grow up.
I think global health is more important than the myriad of holidays you have a year that you're bragging about. Get real.
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31/03/2021 09:57:10 1 2
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I've been vaccinated twice so I can go on holiday. I've already had 5 trips cancelled due to the pandemic. Sixth time lucky.
97
31/03/2021 09:50:21 0 2
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I had 37 flights last year hihi
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31/03/2021 10:06:57 0 0
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How do you know they were holidays?
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31/03/2021 09:47:34 5 10
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15% are wealthy fliers. 57% don't go abroad at all. So why no mention of the other 38% who board a Ryanair 737 for a cheap booze filled holiday in some grotty Spanish costa?
44
31/03/2021 09:49:33 14 2
bbc
Check your numbers...
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31/03/2021 10:00:20 1 0
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He got sacked from his job as a maths teacher. Strange, as he was giving it 110%...
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31/03/2021 09:49:35 93 16
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Aviation contributed 2.5% of CO2 emissions. I think it will be a long time before a passenger plane can run on batteries. Persuading China to stop mining coal may be more useful.
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31/03/2021 09:59:08 78 9
bbc
Ban crypto currencies first

That alone is more than banning all air travel.

So simple to do too
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31/03/2021 10:09:46 6 3
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And yet China still only emits half the CO2 per person as the United States. Everyone needs to do their bit, not just China.
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31/03/2021 10:11:02 5 5
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And yet our Government want to open a new coal mine here... that will help persuade them eh?
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31/03/2021 10:11:34 3 1
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Shall we wait until it's 5%? Or nip it in the bud before more people become 'dependent' on it? This argument has as much traction as 'Cars whose registration contain the letters E and F only contribute x%'...so bloody what! It's still pollution.
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31/03/2021 10:20:24 5 0
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When you break CO2 emissions down by capita China drops way down the list of the top polluting countries. Persuading the US to reduce their emissions would have a much bigger impact on global CO2 emissions and if every country brought back their manufacturing from China this would also reduce the total CO2 emissions from China
227
31/03/2021 10:20:53 1 0
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Around 2030 for aircraft with over 100 passengers according to BA. But not batteries, hydrogen fuel cells. They’ve just invested in a UK start-up developing the engine and fuel system technology.
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31/03/2021 10:50:05 2 0
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China is bad but then we sent them all our manufacturing. So we exported our carbon production to them. Look at it from the basis of individuals causing carbon production (by buying stuff etc) then it's a very different picture and we look very bad then.
428
31/03/2021 10:59:02 2 1
bbc
reviewing the UK's fuel duty system - effectively frozen for a decade
would also be a more effective way to reduce emissions and improve air quality for city folk
548
31/03/2021 11:55:51 1 0
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I read recently that in the near future all aircraft operating between Scotland and the islands is going to be Electric, It's a start anyway
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31/03/2021 09:41:51 10 14
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What rubbish.. I have a low paid job, don't have my own place, etc, but I fly frequently.. it's what I like to do. People are already taxed when they earn!
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31/03/2021 09:49:36 3 2
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you probably won't be able to afford to do so in the future, the days of lost-cost flights won't last much longer
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31/03/2021 09:46:22 9 16
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Another Tory scam to keep us chained to Alcatraz. Very soon only those who are super rich or on expenses will be allowed to fly and the rest will be confined to little England.
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31/03/2021 09:49:52 8 2
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the UK son the uk..not just engerland
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jon
31/03/2021 09:50:14 135 9
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A carbon tax please on private jets. If frequent flyers are using scheduled services I don’t that there is any difference in carbon emissions.
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31/03/2021 09:53:44 52 5
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It's not like they can't afford it either.
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31/03/2021 10:16:53 6 1
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Scheduled flights are still supply and demand lead.
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31/03/2021 10:18:21 7 1
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There will be a calculable carbon footprint per passenger on a flight, as a full 747 will use more fuel for a given journey than if it were empty, and that difference is attributed to passengers and their luggage.
You do, however, raise a valid point that private jets should also have a carbon tax.
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31/03/2021 10:19:18 3 15
bbc
Envy tax, thats the future we all need
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31/03/2021 11:24:52 0 0
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If it went towards carbon offsetting directly, that would be good.... but unlikely to happen.
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31/03/2021 23:26:12 0 0
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Let's not forget about commercial helicopter flights. High carbon emissions and awful noise pollution.
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31/03/2021 09:44:39 18 15
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Why the constant witch hunt against the aviation industry?
Is it because it's a very responsible and well regulated industry and therefore an easy target to lobby ?
Far better educate the people of litter Britain to stop trashing their countryside and use road transport and haulage less.
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31/03/2021 09:51:06 3 2
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It's not a witch hunt against them. If anything, it'll more than likely help them out in the long run. Everything they do to cut emissions seems to help industries that cause them somehow eventually.
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31/03/2021 09:51:11 2 13
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If everyone had a free allowance of say just 500 miles PA issued as a token ,duty assessed on excess miles, the allowance could be traded. Then the rich would pay the poorer for their airmiles that were never taken up , and the people who do not travel would benefit by staying out of aircraft. . What a super idea. (It's very nearly how the stock market works with shares and bonds after all. )
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31/03/2021 09:44:39 18 15
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Why the constant witch hunt against the aviation industry?
Is it because it's a very responsible and well regulated industry and therefore an easy target to lobby ?
Far better educate the people of litter Britain to stop trashing their countryside and use road transport and haulage less.
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31/03/2021 09:51:24 3 0
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Far better to deal with both issues. They are not mutually exclusive.
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31/03/2021 09:44:26 42 29
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Take the money back from all the Billionaires and Tory chums that have made a literal killing out of Brexit and the covid. The rich are hoovering up the world's wealth. Bad days ahead.....
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31/03/2021 09:52:09 19 26
bbc
Tripe
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31/03/2021 10:01:59 6 4
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Do you live under a rock? The richest 1% of the world owns twice as much wealth as 6.9 billion people.
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31/03/2021 09:52:20 9 7
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this is just soppy. The majority of frequent fliers are export salesmen.
The uber wealthy do not fly commercial airlines.
They fly privatly or have people come to them.
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31/03/2021 09:58:08 0 0
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Tax by occupancy space per person
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31/03/2021 09:44:26 42 29
bbc
Take the money back from all the Billionaires and Tory chums that have made a literal killing out of Brexit and the covid. The rich are hoovering up the world's wealth. Bad days ahead.....
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31/03/2021 09:52:40 7 1
bbc
You do realise a lot of Labour MPs also wanted Brexit, just like half the Tories didn't want Brexit. Quite a lot of parties had MPs in favour of it. The PM at the time of the vote campaigned against it.
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31/03/2021 09:52:47 7 8
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The 'wealthy 15% of the population'

You wouldn't be including the hypocritical luvvies who fly back and forward across the Atlantic to attend Extinction Rebellion demos in the middle of a global pandemic by any chance ?
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31/03/2021 10:06:42 0 0
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Utterly pathetic attempt at deflection.
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31/03/2021 09:37:52 22 8
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If you have a job that requires you to travel extensively, then the one time you travel for your holiday you get taxed to the heavens? Should the company you work for pay the tax? Lots of difficult questions in this...
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31/03/2021 09:52:52 7 2
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you raise a very good point here, which needs to be addressed and ensure there are no loops holes to allow allow transferring of business and personal allowances
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31/03/2021 09:52:56 0 0
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Add your comment...would not have chosen that point.
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31/03/2021 09:53:03 3 7
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Best idea would be Air Miles.
Everyone is awarded a number per year.
You need to have the Air Miles to fly.
Air Miles can be used, sold or carried forward to the next year.
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31/03/2021 09:53:03 5 10
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This would be a blatant misuse of the powers to tax & should be rejected out of hand like any form of social engineering by taxation.
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31/03/2021 09:57:20 0 0
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All tax is social engineering
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31/03/2021 09:45:27 160 31
bbc
This pandemic has shattered the myth that business people need to jet all over the world for meetings etc. They do it because they like it as with technology most business trips are totally unnecessary
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31/03/2021 09:53:26 46 55
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Not really. We live in a world where we are supposed to be wary about people's mental well being, and personal human interaction is a big part of that. The pandemic has leant me to consider flying less, but it is not conceivable to stop conducting face to face meetings and customer or supplier visits
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31/03/2021 10:04:04 34 3
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You don't need to fly across the world for a meeting for mental wellbeing. You may need to do it to meet a customer or supplier, but let's not conflate everything with mental health.
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31/03/2021 10:05:22 13 3
bbc
Flying adversely affects many people's 'mental well being'!
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31/03/2021 10:55:36 9 0
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Look around at the other passengers at the end of a 12 hour flight, (regardless of what class they are in) and tell me that business travel is fun. It's not fun, it's not glamorous, but sometimes it's necessary.

We can reduce it for sure, and I think business travellers and concerned citizens would all welcome that.
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31/03/2021 10:59:36 1 1
bbc
Why not? I see everyone over Zoom.
598
31/03/2021 12:39:54 0 0
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Nonsense
61
31/03/2021 09:53:34 13 10
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This article completely ignores that most frequent flyers - I used to be one of them - are flying on business, not fun!
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31/03/2021 09:56:52 14 3
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and why should that make a difference? Are business trips less polluting?
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31/03/2021 09:53:35 16 10
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"A frequent flyer levy (mostly affecting the very richest) will be difficult to administer" say the Conservatives, the party of the very richest.

Well fly me to the moon - I'm absolutely amazed they've responded in this manner. Not.
229
31/03/2021 10:21:38 4 2
bbc
Um.....I think that a flight to the moon would create quite of a lot of emissions so I would advise against that ??
251
31/03/2021 10:24:57 1 0
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Just think of the tax you'd have to pay if they did fly you to the Moon
Would be worth every penny
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jon
31/03/2021 09:50:14 135 9
bbc
A carbon tax please on private jets. If frequent flyers are using scheduled services I don’t that there is any difference in carbon emissions.
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31/03/2021 09:53:44 52 5
bbc
It's not like they can't afford it either.
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31/03/2021 09:37:05 18 19
bbc
People who fly frequently already pay more tax.
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31/03/2021 09:53:51 9 0
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You are missing the point: the proposal is for there to be an exponential rise in that tax amount. Currently it's linear.
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31/03/2021 09:43:19 252 15
bbc
lol, when it's the rich that have to fork out it is always difficult to implement and when it's the poor that have to fork out it's done almost straight away.
65
31/03/2021 09:53:59 92 18
bbc
Welcome to Capitalism.
201
31/03/2021 10:16:17 20 1
bbc
That's not capitalism, that's cronyism.
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31/03/2021 11:37:18 2 0
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More elitism than capitalism. You think the top 5% of North Korea, Venezuela, etc give a toss about their proletariat?
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31/03/2021 09:44:15 7 8
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Its disgusting that anyone is suggesting more taxes on flying.

Air passenger duty was introduced as an environmental tax and what these brainless lumps at greenpeace (didnt they stop being relevant decades ago?) dont seem to realise is frequent flyers are already paying more because of the taxes already in place. APD is what, £160 per flight now?
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31/03/2021 10:11:14 1 0
bbc
As soon as someone uses the 'disgusting' adjective in any and every inappropriate context I realise they have a very limited vocabulary. Favourite adjective of the Brexiteers too!
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31/03/2021 09:39:55 133 34
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Instead of trying to tax the rich in stupid convoluted ways. Just tax them like you tax everyone else, remove the loopholes that allow them to pay themselves £25k and then get the rest in low tax dividends. Tax them on their actual annual wealth. Tax the massive businesses they work for too. It isnt hard, if they dont like it, they are free to go move somewhere else.
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31/03/2021 09:54:19 32 13
bbc
You display your ignorance of how the tax system works and confirm the politicised debasement of our language. "Fair" now means "as much as possible that doesn't actually effect me" just like "cut" now means "reduced increase". The top 20% of earners already pay about 80+% of the total tax-take - that's considerably more than "fair" in the correct use of the word.
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31/03/2021 13:47:54 1 4
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It is you who is displaying your ignorance, maybe deliberately so?!

It is a fact that based on wealth the wealthy pay around 1% tax in reality; they are in fact massive takers from society.

The rest of us pay 20-60% on ours. Your question seems to be whether we would rather pay wealth taxes than income & non-direct taxes? Hell yes, of course we would.

Intelligent people say yes to wealth taxes!
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31/03/2021 09:54:35 6 7
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We should have a green tax, that's a tax on the envious.
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31/03/2021 09:54:49 4 7
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It's easy to attack and demonise others when you don't do something. But flying is small part of the problem compared with things like cars and having children, and that's when we discover that people don't really want to do anything and prefer to change the subject and deflect attention to other people's carbon footprints.
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31/03/2021 10:04:16 0 0
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Aviation is about 13% of UK CO2 emissions - cars about 25%+. So it is true that cars are a bigger problem. However, there is a path to reduction of CO2 from vehicles, more people use cars than fly and many car journeys are kind of 'essential' (or at least basic to reasonable life).

True on children - should be replacement numbers at most. But I wouldn't advocate a law for that.
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31/03/2021 09:55:02 2 8
bbc
Absolute nonsense. Most of the people they allude to will be higher rate tax payers anyway.
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31/03/2021 09:57:33 4 4
bbc
Or wealthy tax-dodgers.
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31/03/2021 09:55:03 9 7
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This isn't a science article, it's a political manifesto on behalf of the green party & friends and can it be moved to the politics section ?

Large hadron colliders, now that's science.
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31/03/2021 09:55:10 5 4
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good idea, but I bet we won't see a reduction in passenger tax duty for those who only fly once per year
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31/03/2021 09:46:05 96 13
bbc
An extra tax on the wealthy? Can't even get them to pay the amount of tax they are supposed to as it is due to loopholes. Just ask Lorraine Kelly or Piers Morgan for example who have never been employed by ITV but are in fact freelance journalists, nudge nudge wink wink. Good idea, especially regarding the environment, but closing existing loopholes should be the priority.
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31/03/2021 09:55:21 15 31
bbc
You do know that freelance journalists pay tax as well don't you.
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31/03/2021 09:59:57 17 2
bbc
Of course but not as much as TV presenter employed by a TV company, which is what they actually are
446
31/03/2021 11:01:08 2 0
bbc
it's the other insurance contributions you can duck
plus, if you 'own' the business that 'employs' you there are wrinkles in terms of tax obligations upon how you declare profits as opposed to earnings

that and the fact that you can rent your own house from yourself

ah hummm....
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31/03/2021 11:02:25 1 0
bbc
I generally get deleted for posting this stuff but I will post again...

PAYE is now - a big up to Gord and Tone - a mugs game
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31/03/2021 09:39:55 133 34
bbc
Instead of trying to tax the rich in stupid convoluted ways. Just tax them like you tax everyone else, remove the loopholes that allow them to pay themselves £25k and then get the rest in low tax dividends. Tax them on their actual annual wealth. Tax the massive businesses they work for too. It isnt hard, if they dont like it, they are free to go move somewhere else.
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31/03/2021 09:55:27 9 5
bbc
LOL. Ridiculous.
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31/03/2021 10:00:34 15 10
bbc
Found the rich guy.
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Sgb
31/03/2021 09:47:11 20 21
bbc
Is this even news ? Or have the greenie, lefty Liberals at the BBC got to fill a gap in their "news" reporting ?
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31/03/2021 09:55:28 7 1
bbc
Yes, it's news.

It may be news you don't like, but that's not important.
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JM
31/03/2021 09:44:09 36 59
bbc
And thanks to Brexit, Eurostar is at risk.
76
31/03/2021 09:55:39 13 4
bbc
How are Eurostar's financial woes linked to Brexit?
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01/04/2021 00:23:05 0 0
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freedom of movement of workers...
prior to brexit, there was little difference between employing a consultant from the uk or one based in holland. Now my dutch colleagues get to work in paris more often - all part of the “Brexit dividend”.
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31/03/2021 09:44:48 82 41
bbc
You really don't understand how any tax system works, do you...

"Tax them on their actual annual wealth"

Would you like to be taxed every year on the value of your house, or would that only apply to rich people...

And what do you define "rich" as, I wonder?
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31/03/2021 09:56:31 5 6
bbc
I#m not advocating it but that's how it's done in many places around the world. Even includes your car!
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31/03/2021 09:56:39 29 3
bbc
Just add to current air passenger duty. No additional admin
Seems fair - wealthy pay for the pollution they cause
And just FYI - I have flown over a million miles with work and holidays. So I am arguing for a higher tax on me but I see the long term benefit
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31/03/2021 09:42:11 10 5
bbc
The joke is people are not meant to be going on vacation and yet I know a number of frequent overseas flyers ignoring the rules with no consequence. Sort out quarantine and the borders UK government.
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31/03/2021 09:56:41 1 0
bbc
If that's true the airline would have found out by now and I'd actually be interested to find out where they're going. I know for a fact that travelling to Germany, Spain and Italy could land you in jail or a massive fine when you land if you're lying about why you left the UK.
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31/03/2021 09:43:39 22 9
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I'd expect better reporting standards by the BBC. What dates did this study cover? If 2020, this was a very atypical year?

What is the criteria to be in the 15% wealthy population?

Number of flights also do not equal total emissions.

I'm sure the wealthy are over represented, but this article needs better information.
Removed
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31/03/2021 09:53:34 13 10
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This article completely ignores that most frequent flyers - I used to be one of them - are flying on business, not fun!
81
31/03/2021 09:56:52 14 3
bbc
and why should that make a difference? Are business trips less polluting?
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31/03/2021 09:59:46 3 5
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Its makes a difference because the article keeps going on about wealthy people and that is very misleading. And I thought the UK was looking forward to a new era of world trade - well that is not going to happen unless we got on planes and fly to our customers!
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31/03/2021 10:03:29 2 2
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Irrelevent. The aircraft would be making the journey anyway. Surely its better to fill the cabin than operate the flight half-empty?
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31/03/2021 09:39:58 65 9
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Pre Brexit I worked a lot between a UK & EU office. As part of our company's commitment to being green, we used to travel by Eurostar. Took a lot longer and was more expensive, but we only have one planet that we know of that we can live on.
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31/03/2021 09:56:59 6 4
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But did you really need to travel at all?
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31/03/2021 09:47:34 5 10
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15% are wealthy fliers. 57% don't go abroad at all. So why no mention of the other 38% who board a Ryanair 737 for a cheap booze filled holiday in some grotty Spanish costa?
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31/03/2021 09:57:10 0 0
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You've missed the point entirely. 15% of the UK population are repsonsible for 70% of all UK flights and emissions. That's the bit you need to understand. Not sure what your point/problem is with some people having an annual summer holiday.
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31/03/2021 09:49:14 10 7
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Do grow up.
I think global health is more important than the myriad of holidays you have a year that you're bragging about. Get real.
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31/03/2021 09:57:10 1 2
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I've been vaccinated twice so I can go on holiday. I've already had 5 trips cancelled due to the pandemic. Sixth time lucky.
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31/03/2021 10:08:15 1 1
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Oh poor you. All about you is it? Protest away so we can have a good laugh.
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31/03/2021 09:42:58 11 12
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This tax isn’t just about raisinh money. It’s about changing behaviours. CO2 emissions are proving hard to cleanup.

We shouldn’t be letting the few destroy the planet. End of.
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31/03/2021 09:57:11 0 1
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The power to tax is given to government for the SOLE PURPOSE of raising funds to meet their obligations & duty of care to citizens. Misuse of this power for social engineering should be resisted out of hand.
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31/03/2021 11:52:45 1 0
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The duty of care to citizens does include dissuading destructive behaviours, especially those that cost the taxpayer more.
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31/03/2021 09:53:03 5 10
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This would be a blatant misuse of the powers to tax & should be rejected out of hand like any form of social engineering by taxation.
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31/03/2021 09:57:20 0 0
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All tax is social engineering
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31/03/2021 09:55:02 2 8
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Absolute nonsense. Most of the people they allude to will be higher rate tax payers anyway.
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31/03/2021 09:57:33 4 4
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Or wealthy tax-dodgers.
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31/03/2021 10:02:08 0 0
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Or, people like me and many, many others who have to travel for work. I don't fly 1st/Business Class, i'm not a high rate tax payer and I certainly don't 'dodge' tax.
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31/03/2021 09:47:12 24 6
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The question is whether it should increase exponentially to deter such frequent flying...Climate change will affect the poorest most
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31/03/2021 09:57:39 1 5
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Or will it as they seem to reproduce the most and their offspring may more likely succeed, evolution is full of surprises.
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31/03/2021 09:57:43 4 3
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It's a dreadful idea. It penalises frequent flyers, without considering the purpose of travel while completely disregarding the rest of a person's carbon footprint
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JD
31/03/2021 09:57:55 3 4
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The politics of jealousy is not going to stop the very rich flying, but having had to fly for the last 35 years - and not in private jets or in business class - you now want to stop me even getting a reduction in my holiday fare?

Grow up! You are almost certainly judging a situation you haven't yet encountered yourselves and having had no children my carbon addition is still lower than many.
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31/03/2021 09:58:01 55 14
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The BBC makes its own contribution sending multiple teams to cover exactly the same event eg US presidential elections. Hardly a sustainable policy, but then double standards are par for the course.
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31/03/2021 10:16:38 10 7
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It’s a large country, an important event, they have people based there permanently too they are not just flown in. Less than in previous years I thought.
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31/03/2021 15:26:17 3 2
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No doubt you would be complaining about the BBC if they didn't cover it. The BBC cannot win. The BBC cannot even draw even.
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31/03/2021 09:52:20 9 7
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this is just soppy. The majority of frequent fliers are export salesmen.
The uber wealthy do not fly commercial airlines.
They fly privatly or have people come to them.
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31/03/2021 09:58:08 0 0
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Tax by occupancy space per person
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31/03/2021 09:41:00 38 18
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Personally, I find it difficult to criticise people who may need to travel frequently as part of their jobs that may create other jobs and wealth for people and Governments.

Some things cannot be done over Zoom etc.
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31/03/2021 09:58:47 42 4
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My Uncle is in finance and he said the Pandemic has shown that it's actually at least 90% of the reason they travelled abroad could habe easily been done on Zoom or other platforms. Flyong was just a luxury. It'll actually save the company more money in the long run.
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31/03/2021 10:39:19 1 1
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and your uncle knows everything about everything so that's good. silly comment.
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31/03/2021 09:58:57 55 0
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The rich just pay the tax the poor still pay the tax even if tax is on a sliding scale it still disproportionally affects the poor/middle class/non-rich. People fly because there is no other option, you want to go by train, Bristol Temple Meads to Edinburgh (Waverley) Single fares from £291.10 - For that I will drive you myself! Fix the trains first!
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31/03/2021 10:34:48 37 1
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It's less than half a tank of diesel to drive from Bristol Temple Meads to Edinburgh Waverly, say £30 - 35 and takes just about the same amount of time
You're right Fix the trains outside of London and charge a fair reasonable tarif instead of the ridiculous out of date ticket prices that exist now
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31/03/2021 11:02:31 4 0
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Agree completely. How can it be cheaper to lift a plane into the air and have it travel at 400MPH rather than push a train along the ground at 90MPH? Then again do we know the energy requirements of the rail system as a whole is less than the airline industry.
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31/03/2021 11:28:39 6 0
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We looked up the train prices for 4 adults from Manchester to Edinburgh. We were flexible +/- 3 days either side of sunday (we were willing to stop a couple of nights). The cost was £191 return and those were the cheapest tickets. For that price we could drive, park, hotel in two rooms for the night.
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31/03/2021 11:39:04 4 0
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yes fix the trains and people will use them
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31/03/2021 09:45:27 160 31
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This pandemic has shattered the myth that business people need to jet all over the world for meetings etc. They do it because they like it as with technology most business trips are totally unnecessary
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31/03/2021 09:59:04 15 14
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No. As someone who has traveled a lot on business I can assure you I don’t do it because I want to; in fact wherever possible I avoid it. As an IT consultant I am also firmly of the opinion that technology does not make most trips “totally unnecessary”
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Gib
31/03/2021 10:12:26 2 1
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sometimes you just have to plug a console cable in
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01/04/2021 00:04:16 0 0
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The art and challenge is in getting the balance right. I’ve run international IT projects, we’ve had ‘visits’ so people spend time together, but all the weekly progress meetings (since the 1990’s) have been remote via telephone and/or video. I have also worked abroad, flying out monday morning and returning friday for circa 6 months.
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31/03/2021 09:49:35 93 16
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Aviation contributed 2.5% of CO2 emissions. I think it will be a long time before a passenger plane can run on batteries. Persuading China to stop mining coal may be more useful.
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31/03/2021 09:59:08 78 9
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Ban crypto currencies first

That alone is more than banning all air travel.

So simple to do too
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31/03/2021 09:49:14 10 7
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Do grow up.
I think global health is more important than the myriad of holidays you have a year that you're bragging about. Get real.
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31/03/2021 09:50:21 0 2
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I had 37 flights last year hihi
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31/03/2021 09:59:31 1 0
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The rich will continue to fly and the emissions will remain whether they're taxed or not. The question is what to do with the tax? What the money could be used for is more carbon capture or tree planting to off-set the emissions. As with any figured on the percentage of emission data, the devil is in the detail https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-aviation
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31/03/2021 09:59:35 9 3
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Maybe the people calling for this should look a bit closer to home. i.e. Carline Lucas frequently flying to the west coast of the US to visit her son, or the luvvies flying 6000 miles to join a protest about climate change!
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31/03/2021 10:37:28 1 0
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Actually, I already class them as an equal part of the problem, as do most intelligent people.
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31/03/2021 09:59:38 2 1
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They’ll tax farting next
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31/03/2021 10:01:26 1 0
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Is that not good for the heart, though?