IPL v England 'could be danger in future'
30/03/2021 | sport | cricket | 335
England could lose their best players in the future if they are not allowed to play in the IPL, says director of cricket Ashley Giles.
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30/03/2021 14:51:23 4 4
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Simply, any centrally contracted player needs to be paid enough to not lose out by not being allowed to go to play in the IPL
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30/03/2021 14:52:42 5 2
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ECB doesn't have that much money.
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30/03/2021 14:51:23 4 4
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Simply, any centrally contracted player needs to be paid enough to not lose out by not being allowed to go to play in the IPL
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30/03/2021 14:52:42 5 2
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ECB doesn't have that much money.
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30/03/2021 14:53:21 4 8
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Giles was the most negative bowler in English Cricket History (although Embury comes close). How do people like him land the job of leading England cricket ?
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30/03/2021 15:47:25 4 1
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He’s not employed on the basis of his bowling positivity.
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30/03/2021 22:28:59 0 0
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.. but Giles' bowling was the main reason we were able to beat Pakistan at home, at the beginning of the Millenium, for the first time in loving memory. Agree with what you're saying about Emburey, though - good job he had Phillipe Henri at the other end to provide the flair!
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30/03/2021 14:59:20 1 1
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Is beating nz the be all end all when they could prepare for a world cup. If they can miss tests against India they can miss some tests against New Zealand. With all due respect beating India is a bigger achievement for players when they retire.
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30/03/2021 15:02:29 7 5
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Note to journalist who wrote this story. -> Money rules the world.

If there is more money to be made in the IPL then players will sign on to play there. Regardless of how much they are at risk to getting delly belly or pune poo.
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30/03/2021 15:06:00 4 4
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...and any one of us would follow the money as well.
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30/03/2021 15:04:54 15 2
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A players career is not that long so I do understand their desire to maximise their earning potential. But if a centrally contracted player opts to go off and play in the IPL he needs to accept that he will forfeit a proportion of his contracted earnings if he puts England second to IPL commitments or is unable to play due to injuries picked up in the IPL!
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30/03/2021 20:48:20 2 3
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If England wants get better in cricket, they need to train their lads well from pre teens. But that means they need to have some real coaches, which they don't at the moment. Hence, they need to begin with importing some good coaches at that level.
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30/03/2021 15:04:56 7 3
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assuming these guys have central contracts don't they have any accountability and loyalty to ECB ?
Just cut them loose and let them return to their counties once the IPL is over, and see how long it takes them to come back once England start playing internationals again
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30/03/2021 15:11:03 4 1
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You missed the whole point of the article. Money will always win.
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30/03/2021 15:05:10 5 1
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Emburey negative. 147 Test wickets before DRS which wudda added ,30/40 more. Lol.
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30/03/2021 15:02:29 7 5
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Note to journalist who wrote this story. -> Money rules the world.

If there is more money to be made in the IPL then players will sign on to play there. Regardless of how much they are at risk to getting delly belly or pune poo.
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30/03/2021 15:06:00 4 4
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...and any one of us would follow the money as well.
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30/03/2021 15:06:21 7 7
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the english players benefit in more than money from ipl
better quality of opponents, coaching staff etc

its imperative they are supported to participate in the ipl, for the benefit of english cricket

ipl improves cricketers, fact
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30/03/2021 15:07:25 13 5
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Not sure what the problem is here. Just play test cricket when the IPL is going on. If Butler, Stokes and Archer play the IPL and not the tests it’s not a problem. There are plenty of good players to replace them like Woakes, Foakes and Stone (there are loads more but that’s just a few direct replacements of the top of my head!)
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Sri
30/03/2021 21:35:03 1 0
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Finding players isn't the problem. TV money is all on IPL and it would further weaken test cricket.
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30/03/2021 15:08:20 23 8
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Surely the red-ball contracted players - which includes Archer, Stokes and Buttler - should prioritise international Tests over franchise T20? They get large sums of money to play Tests, after all. If they want to forego that and play in the IPL, let them, but they shouldn't be able to have their cake and eat it too.
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30/03/2021 15:17:41 14 4
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It’s a fair point, but we’ll end up in a similar situation to the WI with Chris Gayle - they’ll choose the IPL money over test cricket & we’ll be denied our truly world class players.
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30/03/2021 15:22:54 7 0
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Giles states that at the time the ipl contracts were signed the nz test was not scheduled so at that point the england players were free to play for the full ipl period if required.
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SLR
30/03/2021 17:42:10 2 2
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I want Ben Stokes, the best cricketer of this moment to play whatever format he wants to play and not have any governing body stopping him. Happy players perform better.
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Viv
30/03/2021 20:53:27 2 0
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I think this year is a bit different with t20 World Cup coming up and players prioritising t20 tournament over test matches.

Also, it depends on the quality of opposition - no English player will dream of missing Ashes and play IPL. But if England is playing anyone apart from top 2-3 sides than it may not be such a bad thing as it allows ECB to test out bench players or youngsters.
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30/03/2021 15:09:16 8 2
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About time someone actually admitted that the India test series was considered to be a lower priority - they didn’t say this at the time.

Whilst I accept that scheduling has been difficult with CV, agreeing to play 17 tests in a calendar year along with the WC 20/20 is madness - who thought it a good idea to sign up for this, no other international country is under this degree of pressure.
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30/03/2021 15:25:24 7 1
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Agreed. No need for the NZ series. We’re just giving them a warm up for the WTC final. In an ashes year there should be a light home schedule. Come November our guys will be knackered and half fit. Cue another horrendous tour. The ECB never learn. Can't blame players here.
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30/03/2021 15:54:07 1 1
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Didn't everyone know it was less important? It's like in football - players don't care about meaningless qualifiers or friendlies, if they've got big club matches coming up, or indeed a large international tournament, later that year.
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30/03/2021 15:04:56 7 3
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assuming these guys have central contracts don't they have any accountability and loyalty to ECB ?
Just cut them loose and let them return to their counties once the IPL is over, and see how long it takes them to come back once England start playing internationals again
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30/03/2021 15:11:03 4 1
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You missed the whole point of the article. Money will always win.
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30/03/2021 15:11:12 40 2
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Tymal Mills got one million for one season of IPL. Realistically the ECB can't compete with that after chucking 45 million, their figures, at the Hundred.
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30/03/2021 15:36:06 62 3
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Why are we bothering with the hundred when we have T20.
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30/03/2021 17:50:13 3 0
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No he didn't. People in Britain seem not to understand how IPL salaries work.
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30/03/2021 19:06:39 11 0
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Why the Hundred?

Who needed the Hundred?

T20 is short enough!

What next - one over shootout?
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31/03/2021 06:07:17 3 0
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Mills had a million dollar contract that depended on him playing ECB took a cut as would his county and agent and possibly the taxman. He is now barely fit for more than 4 overs a game. Money is not worth ruining your career for
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30/03/2021 15:08:20 23 8
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Surely the red-ball contracted players - which includes Archer, Stokes and Buttler - should prioritise international Tests over franchise T20? They get large sums of money to play Tests, after all. If they want to forego that and play in the IPL, let them, but they shouldn't be able to have their cake and eat it too.
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30/03/2021 15:17:41 14 4
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It’s a fair point, but we’ll end up in a similar situation to the WI with Chris Gayle - they’ll choose the IPL money over test cricket & we’ll be denied our truly world class players.
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Leo
30/03/2021 18:51:47 5 1
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If those world class players don't want to play Test cricket then it's no great loss. I'd rather have those who are hungry to play and dedicated, even if they are not superstar players. At least you know they'll be giving their all.
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30/03/2021 15:08:20 23 8
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Surely the red-ball contracted players - which includes Archer, Stokes and Buttler - should prioritise international Tests over franchise T20? They get large sums of money to play Tests, after all. If they want to forego that and play in the IPL, let them, but they shouldn't be able to have their cake and eat it too.
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30/03/2021 15:22:54 7 0
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Giles states that at the time the ipl contracts were signed the nz test was not scheduled so at that point the england players were free to play for the full ipl period if required.
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30/03/2021 22:14:50 1 0
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True - but Stokes, Archer and Buttler all missed Test matches over the winter, presumably at least partly due to IPL commitments. They could well miss some of the home summer against India too for the same reason.
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30/03/2021 15:24:07 3 0
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The IPL is great for players for two reasons; financial reward and playing in a high pressure environment with and against the world's best players.

It's given experience to and helped given more push to improve a number of English players.
Ultimately the ICC needs to commission time frames for competitions to make it possible for players to play several formats of the game without burning out.
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30/03/2021 17:54:15 2 0
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So were you fed up Chris with being left out all winter by England?
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ken
30/03/2021 15:24:25 29 4
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England created the New Zealand Test after IPL contracts, so England...tough!
You've crammed in so much cricket in last few years it's stupid!
Probably why we lost Test,T20& 50 over cricket to India.
So when you complain about not having the best players available, just look in the mirror! There is the reason!
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30/03/2021 15:28:43 7 2
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Two tests in Sri Lanka were not serious preparations for taking on India.
A couple of matches of each Format against Pakistan, Bangladesh and/or Afghanistan would have been much better preparation. And if Covid was an issue then I'm sure Abu Dhabi would have obliged.
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30/03/2021 15:29:31 2 0
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Sorry replied to the wrong person!
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30/03/2021 15:09:16 8 2
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About time someone actually admitted that the India test series was considered to be a lower priority - they didn’t say this at the time.

Whilst I accept that scheduling has been difficult with CV, agreeing to play 17 tests in a calendar year along with the WC 20/20 is madness - who thought it a good idea to sign up for this, no other international country is under this degree of pressure.
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30/03/2021 15:25:24 7 1
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Agreed. No need for the NZ series. We’re just giving them a warm up for the WTC final. In an ashes year there should be a light home schedule. Come November our guys will be knackered and half fit. Cue another horrendous tour. The ECB never learn. Can't blame players here.
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30/03/2021 15:27:42 54 1
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If Archer is allowed to play more IPL cricket he will able to pay someone to clean his fish tank.
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30/03/2021 15:45:53 6 7
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If he plays it then obviously the comments made of him wanting to be part of the Full England set up is a farce too.

How can an established Sporting Body allow a player with an injury to turn up for duty without being fully checked too.

You know yourself if an injury not healing or seems not right as well after initial treatment.
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30/03/2021 15:27:57 2 4
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I say let anyone who wants to go to the IPL do so. If we look really hard, I do believe only a tiny minority of players are genuinely excellent in red AND white ball Cricket. By accident or design, I believe we'll soon enough see red and white ball series played concurrently by totally separate teams.
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30/03/2021 15:27:59 12 4
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It’s a shame that the international game is a lower priority than the IPL. It was only a matter of time, the same has been going on in football for years, but a shame nonetheless
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ken
30/03/2021 15:24:25 29 4
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England created the New Zealand Test after IPL contracts, so England...tough!
You've crammed in so much cricket in last few years it's stupid!
Probably why we lost Test,T20& 50 over cricket to India.
So when you complain about not having the best players available, just look in the mirror! There is the reason!
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30/03/2021 15:28:43 7 2
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Two tests in Sri Lanka were not serious preparations for taking on India.
A couple of matches of each Format against Pakistan, Bangladesh and/or Afghanistan would have been much better preparation. And if Covid was an issue then I'm sure Abu Dhabi would have obliged.
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Sri
30/03/2021 21:11:15 1 0
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India came straight from Australia to play England.. it's the nature of the modern game.. the old days of two teams fully prepared to clash in a test series are gone.
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31/03/2021 10:27:28 0 0
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what screwed our test team was the lack of playing first beforehand. That would allow players to adjust to different conditions,pitches etc. India also needed time, they'd just come back from Australia, There should be at least 2 full games before the 1st test so everybody gets a chance and one between tests. instead they're scrapped for the pyjama game.
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ken
30/03/2021 15:24:25 29 4
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England created the New Zealand Test after IPL contracts, so England...tough!
You've crammed in so much cricket in last few years it's stupid!
Probably why we lost Test,T20& 50 over cricket to India.
So when you complain about not having the best players available, just look in the mirror! There is the reason!
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30/03/2021 15:29:31 2 0
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Sorry replied to the wrong person!
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30/03/2021 15:31:20 16 5
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Central contracts have been, and will continue to be the problem.

Pick on merit. Give those who deserve it the chance to play for their country.
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30/03/2021 20:30:47 2 1
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I don't see why they are a problem. Central contracts allow the ECB to manage player workload.
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30/03/2021 15:33:16 11 3
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What a lame argument Giles. The players who play for IPL should not get paid a retainer for representing England if they are not playing in the England International Squad. ECB just like FA. Managed by irresponsible, yes people.
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30/03/2021 15:11:12 40 2
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Tymal Mills got one million for one season of IPL. Realistically the ECB can't compete with that after chucking 45 million, their figures, at the Hundred.
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30/03/2021 15:36:06 62 3
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Why are we bothering with the hundred when we have T20.
WHY are we bothering with either ? Moron fodder. Removed
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Leo
30/03/2021 18:47:24 4 1
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TV rights. All domestic and international tv rights for T20 matches have been bought by Sky until at least 2025. The ECB aren't allowed to manufacture another T20 tournament because of rights infringements, so they came up with "the Hundred" to get around that issue and can sell the tv rights to another company for a bundle of cash - assuming anyone wants to watch "the Hundred" that is.
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31/03/2021 10:54:58 1 0
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Yes. A hundred ways to show the ECB have got no idea about the T20.
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30/03/2021 15:39:30 4 2
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There are a lot of good comments here. What I fundimentally struggle with however is if you have the security of a central contract you then need to go & take part in the IPL. The IPL puts nothing into the training & management of non indian players & none of the price paid for them reverts back to the ECB or others bodies. Am I wrong here ??
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30/03/2021 15:55:17 5 1
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Wrong. The ECB recognises that the IPL not only makes the players happier with the money but also better players through the cricket.
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31/03/2021 10:49:39 1 0
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That's a very good point but I think the answer is simple: players should be offered a white ball or red bell contract but not both. Then if you sign a red ball contract, you must be available for red ball games if selected. We might lose Buttler from tests and Root from ODIs with this approach but I'd rather see both formats persist than one die.
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30/03/2021 15:40:00 1 1
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Simply change the central contract to ensure that the players are committed to the objective of the ECB contract that is to prioritise playing for England

Why do the cricket World have to the most corrupted league in the world?
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30/03/2021 15:41:16 0 0
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Only a few so far on here posted but all singing from the same song sheet ... Money.

Yes too on the NZ Test planned after all had pre agreed Contacts on the IPL .

If White Ball Contracted then we except you be playing Franchise T20 , problem is those whom have have Both White/Test contracts.

As said before these guys are Technically Self employed so do what they want as well.
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ABM
30/03/2021 15:44:34 10 3
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I love cricket but can't be bothered with these rich mixed tournaments. I'm not interested at all.
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30/03/2021 15:27:42 54 1
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If Archer is allowed to play more IPL cricket he will able to pay someone to clean his fish tank.
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30/03/2021 15:45:53 6 7
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If he plays it then obviously the comments made of him wanting to be part of the Full England set up is a farce too.

How can an established Sporting Body allow a player with an injury to turn up for duty without being fully checked too.

You know yourself if an injury not healing or seems not right as well after initial treatment.
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30/03/2021 18:36:14 1 3
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Archer is more fragile than a glass jar. He does break so easily - for someone supposed to frighten the batters!
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30/03/2021 22:50:35 2 1
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Please stop with this nonsense.
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30/03/2021 14:53:21 4 8
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Giles was the most negative bowler in English Cricket History (although Embury comes close). How do people like him land the job of leading England cricket ?
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30/03/2021 15:47:25 4 1
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He’s not employed on the basis of his bowling positivity.
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30/03/2021 15:48:34 3 9
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TBH most of the England squad aren't good enough for the IPL
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30/03/2021 16:00:44 7 0
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the best T20i team in the world, and their players are not good enough for IPL? What logic is that?
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30/03/2021 15:09:16 8 2
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About time someone actually admitted that the India test series was considered to be a lower priority - they didn’t say this at the time.

Whilst I accept that scheduling has been difficult with CV, agreeing to play 17 tests in a calendar year along with the WC 20/20 is madness - who thought it a good idea to sign up for this, no other international country is under this degree of pressure.
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30/03/2021 15:54:07 1 1
bbc
Didn't everyone know it was less important? It's like in football - players don't care about meaningless qualifiers or friendlies, if they've got big club matches coming up, or indeed a large international tournament, later that year.
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30/03/2021 15:55:02 0 1
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Panda Cat. I believe I have read that their counties get 10% commission of their IPL contract value up to a maximum of 50000 USD.
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30/03/2021 15:39:30 4 2
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There are a lot of good comments here. What I fundimentally struggle with however is if you have the security of a central contract you then need to go & take part in the IPL. The IPL puts nothing into the training & management of non indian players & none of the price paid for them reverts back to the ECB or others bodies. Am I wrong here ??
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30/03/2021 15:55:17 5 1
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Wrong. The ECB recognises that the IPL not only makes the players happier with the money but also better players through the cricket.
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30/03/2021 16:07:41 0 0
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They be using the IPL as a stepping stone ready for the WC T20 in player development and experience in the game.

So Players win as per Money and England via experience and knowledge of T20 game.

Yes if it works and the outcome is WC T20 Winners then all be saying how good of the ECB to let players go to IPL.
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30/03/2021 15:55:20 8 4
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Everyone has a choice.....play for your country or play for more money, and it is that simple.
If centrally contracted players turn their backs on Test Cricket to earn big bucks thats up to them, we can pick others to play for England, but if you choose to go IPL then bye bye test place.
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30/03/2021 15:56:22 4 6
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Ex English players are jealous of current top English players making IPL money. IPL is biggest cricket show on Earth. Just like EPL money talks and England and other cricketing nation should cater towards IPL. Missing 1 test series isnt end of the world.
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Daz
30/03/2021 16:17:42 2 0
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The flip side of that is what relevance does the IPL have to England (or other national teams) cricket fans. If it is a choice between watching IPL or England Test/one dayers then I know which I prefer (because I am not from India so I have no allegiance)

If players are under test or one day contracts with the ECB then that should take precedence. If not retire and allow other players a chance
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30/03/2021 16:00:08 10 2
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Simply wave goodbye to the mercenaries I say.
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30/03/2021 15:48:34 3 9
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TBH most of the England squad aren't good enough for the IPL
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30/03/2021 16:00:44 7 0
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the best T20i team in the world, and their players are not good enough for IPL? What logic is that?
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30/03/2021 16:00:55 5 2
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At the end of the day it's a short career and players have families to support so money is always going to be the driving force yet that doesn't mean players are less committed to playing for England. There is simply too much cricket. Why?
MONEY.
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30/03/2021 16:05:08 10 0
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Test contracts make players 600k a year, if that isn't enough with the honour of playing for England, then I don't know what is. Let's not forget the sponsorships as well.
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30/03/2021 16:01:31 6 6
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The IPL is terrible
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30/03/2021 19:47:17 0 2
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The Vitality Blast is the worst followed by BBL..
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30/03/2021 16:02:13 1 1
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20/21 Contracts for Test/White are Archer, Buttler, Root , Stokes and Woakes so depending if they are playing IPL and how far they progress will they be available for the Tests in June.

As we know Archer may be available pending Injury rehab/recovery.

Woakes not flavour of the Month or in the Group shall we say.

Buttler can do no wrong so always be in the Mix.
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30/03/2021 16:11:48 3 0
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Archer may be available, if he stops playing with the fishes.
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30/03/2021 16:04:28 8 0
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Isn’t this why KP fell out with the English cricketing management and as I recall with both sides having dug their heels in no good came of the matter
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30/03/2021 17:02:52 8 2
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Mainly the old fogeys who turned their noses up at the IPL and jealous colleagues who weren't good enough to get signed who took issue and tried to sabotage him.
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31/03/2021 02:27:41 1 0
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It was. Back then the IPL clashed with early season tests and England's management were scared it might lead to the death of Test cricket. KP said the IPL was not just a chance to make money, but to learn to play T20 cricket under pressure with and against the best players in front of big crowds and he was right. Like it or not, T20 has grown and many players now rely on it to make a good living.
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30/03/2021 16:00:55 5 2
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At the end of the day it's a short career and players have families to support so money is always going to be the driving force yet that doesn't mean players are less committed to playing for England. There is simply too much cricket. Why?
MONEY.
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30/03/2021 16:05:08 10 0
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Test contracts make players 600k a year, if that isn't enough with the honour of playing for England, then I don't know what is. Let's not forget the sponsorships as well.
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30/03/2021 15:55:17 5 1
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Wrong. The ECB recognises that the IPL not only makes the players happier with the money but also better players through the cricket.
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30/03/2021 16:07:41 0 0
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They be using the IPL as a stepping stone ready for the WC T20 in player development and experience in the game.

So Players win as per Money and England via experience and knowledge of T20 game.

Yes if it works and the outcome is WC T20 Winners then all be saying how good of the ECB to let players go to IPL.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
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So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 16:11:46 7 4
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It beings enjoyment to millions and has been hugely beneficial as a source of income for many cricketers who historically have been paid modestly.
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30/03/2021 16:15:31 6 0
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Skill wise and financially: Good
For the rest of cricket: Bad
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30/03/2021 16:19:18 4 1
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Too logical that point is BLZ B ... ??.

Sam Curran plays in IPL and we saw the Batting side of it on Sunday and the Indians were aware of this contribution he does in the IPL .

For players mixing it with other Nations you get to see how they develop and perform. Plus will know their Strengths and Weaknesses too which they should pass on when play against on International duty.
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30/03/2021 16:44:40 4 0
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Or is it good or bad cricket?

If Shane Watson was still making a career out of it it can’t be that great.
It seems more like a tournament for failed or retired test players. Doug Bollinger played it for years too (how bad was he) .
I would have thought a bit of red ball cricket for their own counties would be far better prep for England players.
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30/03/2021 17:13:01 1 2
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It allows fans to watch the best players in the world demonstrate skills that are not seen in other formats of the game. From the players perspective, they can earn a bigger salary and learn from other top players in the world. From ECB perspective their players are learning new skills and the IPL salaries fund grass roots in England, without significant investment from their end. Everyone wins
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30/03/2021 17:49:19 6 0
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Terribly bad, apart from the influence on fielding and scoop shots. It says it is a benign threat to the Test game but it is clear that it is a terminal attack on its viability. All that glorious Test history is about to be chucked on the scrap heap, and all for the 'excitement' of endless games of 160 plays 160. Modern players owe a debt to the past achievement of previous Test players.
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30/03/2021 22:42:16 2 0
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It's unbelievably bad for cricket in my opinion. It will ultimately finish off proper red ball cricket.
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30/03/2021 22:44:56 2 0
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The fact is that it's originators and chief protagonists, India, have also taken traditional cricket to a new level of intensity and innovation, so it's influence can't be all bad...
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30/03/2021 16:09:58 7 5
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Compared to elite footballers, top cricketers are on relatively modest salaries. They have short careers and I can fully appreciate them wanting to make hay whilst the sun shines.
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30/03/2021 16:46:00 7 1
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Modest salaries, my heart bleeds for them. Do think they'd swop their "short careers" for a gauranreed life's work in McDonald's.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
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So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 16:11:46 7 4
bbc
It beings enjoyment to millions and has been hugely beneficial as a source of income for many cricketers who historically have been paid modestly.
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30/03/2021 16:02:13 1 1
bbc
20/21 Contracts for Test/White are Archer, Buttler, Root , Stokes and Woakes so depending if they are playing IPL and how far they progress will they be available for the Tests in June.

As we know Archer may be available pending Injury rehab/recovery.

Woakes not flavour of the Month or in the Group shall we say.

Buttler can do no wrong so always be in the Mix.
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30/03/2021 16:11:48 3 0
bbc
Archer may be available, if he stops playing with the fishes.
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30/03/2021 16:21:41 1 0
bbc
His bowling hand as well so depends on how it heals. Still a concern though playing a sport which involves hard ball contact in many ways plus diving around too.
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30/03/2021 16:12:53 2 2
bbc
It's not surprising that players are going to look after themselves financially if they get the chance to play in the IPL e.g. Moheen Khan. England are forever chopping & changing the side at all 3 formats complaining of playing too many games - the players must not know whether there coming or going - indian series being a case in point. Why wouldn't anybody want to better themselves.
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30/03/2021 16:30:31 4 2
bbc
Take it the lad you mention plays for Sub continent team then.

Or you mean Moeen Ali.

Crikey HYS is creating many aliases for him poor fellow, no wonder he does not know whether coming or going.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
bbc
So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 16:15:31 6 0
bbc
Skill wise and financially: Good
For the rest of cricket: Bad
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30/03/2021 16:16:09 2 1
bbc
Well, as the saying goes, if you can't beat them join them. We could build cricket grounds like those used in the IPL but with a all weather roof that closes and then have our own UKPL in which we could sign up all the best players. Simple.
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30/03/2021 16:19:25 6 0
bbc
do you think 50,000+ would turn up in this country?.
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30/03/2021 16:22:34 1 1
bbc
Yes, great idea. Just try getting planning permission to build a 100k seat stadium plus all the access, health & safety, environmental impacts on a rare form of bacteria. This is the UK you have no chance
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30/03/2021 15:56:22 4 6
bbc
Ex English players are jealous of current top English players making IPL money. IPL is biggest cricket show on Earth. Just like EPL money talks and England and other cricketing nation should cater towards IPL. Missing 1 test series isnt end of the world.
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Daz
30/03/2021 16:17:42 2 0
bbc
The flip side of that is what relevance does the IPL have to England (or other national teams) cricket fans. If it is a choice between watching IPL or England Test/one dayers then I know which I prefer (because I am not from India so I have no allegiance)

If players are under test or one day contracts with the ECB then that should take precedence. If not retire and allow other players a chance
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30/03/2021 16:39:42 0 2
bbc
I am not from India either. Cricket is only alive because Indians pour lot of money. If Indians all of a sudden stop playing cricket that's nail in the coffin for cricket as a sport.
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30/03/2021 16:18:31 21 3
bbc
Truth is the authorities in England are jealous the Indians have made such a good fist of the T20 format that they don't want our players to succeed. Instead they've been forced to concoct a ridiculous tournament(hundred) a format that nobody in the world plays and expect the fans are going to turn up, They'll never beat the IPL for a spectacle so give up.
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PH2
30/03/2021 19:06:31 8 2
bbc
Agreed, the T20 blast is great fun, but it's no IPL.

If only they'd made a proper T20 comp over here in the first place, we'd not have to have the 100.
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30/03/2021 19:08:20 2 4
bbc
Let's face it, T20 or 100, they are both about slogging. Hence, this corruption that has crept in. Kolhi, Butler, Bairstow, Stokes, Rohit, Raul, Pants, etc. etc. are all about slogging and nothing else. Purists are weeping. Pretty soon, cricket will be played in the Coliseum
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30/03/2021 16:19:10 2 2
bbc
Here is a list of the salaries, for the contracted players:-

https://www.sportingfree.com/cricket/england-players-salary/
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30/03/2021 16:42:31 2 0
bbc
Looking at that list, I just noticed something.
Joe Root has a 'white ball' contract.
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30/03/2021 17:44:37 2 0
bbc
870,000 for Woakes for having a sit on the bench and be excluded contract. Wow. Wish I had one of those.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
bbc
So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 16:19:18 4 1
bbc
Too logical that point is BLZ B ... ??.

Sam Curran plays in IPL and we saw the Batting side of it on Sunday and the Indians were aware of this contribution he does in the IPL .

For players mixing it with other Nations you get to see how they develop and perform. Plus will know their Strengths and Weaknesses too which they should pass on when play against on International duty.
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30/03/2021 16:34:30 5 0
bbc
I agree Duncan, intermingling with other Nations will improve your game.
& like Django/Caesar said, the financial aspect is very, very good.
The only problem seems to be, when the IPL clashes with International cricket.
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30/03/2021 16:16:09 2 1
bbc
Well, as the saying goes, if you can't beat them join them. We could build cricket grounds like those used in the IPL but with a all weather roof that closes and then have our own UKPL in which we could sign up all the best players. Simple.
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30/03/2021 16:19:25 6 0
bbc
do you think 50,000+ would turn up in this country?.
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30/03/2021 15:36:06 62 3
bbc
Why are we bothering with the hundred when we have T20.
WHY are we bothering with either ? Moron fodder. Removed
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30/03/2021 16:21:30 11 3
bbc
Don't give a toss about the T20 but the Ashes should be top priority.
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30/03/2021 16:11:48 3 0
bbc
Archer may be available, if he stops playing with the fishes.
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30/03/2021 16:21:41 1 0
bbc
His bowling hand as well so depends on how it heals. Still a concern though playing a sport which involves hard ball contact in many ways plus diving around too.
55
30/03/2021 16:16:09 2 1
bbc
Well, as the saying goes, if you can't beat them join them. We could build cricket grounds like those used in the IPL but with a all weather roof that closes and then have our own UKPL in which we could sign up all the best players. Simple.
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30/03/2021 16:22:34 1 1
bbc
Yes, great idea. Just try getting planning permission to build a 100k seat stadium plus all the access, health & safety, environmental impacts on a rare form of bacteria. This is the UK you have no chance
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30/03/2021 16:26:08 5 0
bbc
I think it’s fair to say if players were told to choose between their nation or the IPL, many would choose the latter. The career of a cricketer is short and any opportunity to secure your own and your families future cannot be easily ignored.

The IPL is the best T20 competition in the world, the ECB have dodged a bullet this year but a show down with players is imminent one way or another.
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30/03/2021 16:28:19 11 1
bbc
In essence, the players are saying 'stuff England' we want the big bucks. I fear that the IPL and quick cricket games will always come first and England will suffer hugely for it, i.e. starting with this just gone Indian tour.
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30/03/2021 21:11:20 0 2
bbc
To be fair, that Indian team was not any better than the English side. It was a race to the bottom and England got there ahead of the Indian team. Both were average teams at best.
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30/03/2021 16:29:02 37 1
bbc
Surely if they are £1Million Central Cotracts they should not be missing England games.
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30/03/2021 18:34:09 2 18
bbc
Based on their play in the recently concluded series, none of the English/Indian players deserve more than minimum wage
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daz
30/03/2021 21:42:58 0 0
bbc
only joe joot get the highist pay and that 1mil the rest on contract are on 750k for 1 year and they dont get no pay from there clubs either so when the chance to play 8 weeks of cricket for 1mil plus then your stupid for turning it down when cricketers retirer at 35ish
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30/03/2021 16:29:32 4 3
bbc
I really don't understand the headline BBC. Some are going on about missing Tests but Giles states that the IPL contracts were signed BEFORE the NZ series dates were announced. So a bit like the vaccines, England came late to the party like the EU but now want tl enforce their rights ahead of a pre-existing legal agreement. If the ECB were better organised this would not have happened
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30/03/2021 16:12:53 2 2
bbc
It's not surprising that players are going to look after themselves financially if they get the chance to play in the IPL e.g. Moheen Khan. England are forever chopping & changing the side at all 3 formats complaining of playing too many games - the players must not know whether there coming or going - indian series being a case in point. Why wouldn't anybody want to better themselves.
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30/03/2021 16:30:31 4 2
bbc
Take it the lad you mention plays for Sub continent team then.

Or you mean Moeen Ali.

Crikey HYS is creating many aliases for him poor fellow, no wonder he does not know whether coming or going.
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30/03/2021 16:38:22 1 0
bbc
Good one Duncan, lol.
I've seen Moeen's spelling being butchered a number of times.
But this is the first time I am seeing the Ali being clobbered to a Khan.
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30/03/2021 16:19:18 4 1
bbc
Too logical that point is BLZ B ... ??.

Sam Curran plays in IPL and we saw the Batting side of it on Sunday and the Indians were aware of this contribution he does in the IPL .

For players mixing it with other Nations you get to see how they develop and perform. Plus will know their Strengths and Weaknesses too which they should pass on when play against on International duty.
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30/03/2021 16:34:30 5 0
bbc
I agree Duncan, intermingling with other Nations will improve your game.
& like Django/Caesar said, the financial aspect is very, very good.
The only problem seems to be, when the IPL clashes with International cricket.
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30/03/2021 16:42:09 2 0
bbc
Yes as we know and will keep typing this .... It's a very busy Cricketing year ahead.

Yes you would think better planning for the Franchise T20 and International will not clash fully.

Read somewhere today they on about the Ashes schedule being arranged as it's clashing with the WI Tour now.
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30/03/2021 16:37:47 11 1
bbc
What’s that I see moving up a pole .... ah yes, a white flag. Maybe the bcci could pick the england team in future?
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30/03/2021 16:30:31 4 2
bbc
Take it the lad you mention plays for Sub continent team then.

Or you mean Moeen Ali.

Crikey HYS is creating many aliases for him poor fellow, no wonder he does not know whether coming or going.
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30/03/2021 16:38:22 1 0
bbc
Good one Duncan, lol.
I've seen Moeen's spelling being butchered a number of times.
But this is the first time I am seeing the Ali being clobbered to a Khan.
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30/03/2021 16:54:36 1 0
bbc
Baba next although he has produced some amazing displays at the crease.
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Daz
30/03/2021 16:17:42 2 0
bbc
The flip side of that is what relevance does the IPL have to England (or other national teams) cricket fans. If it is a choice between watching IPL or England Test/one dayers then I know which I prefer (because I am not from India so I have no allegiance)

If players are under test or one day contracts with the ECB then that should take precedence. If not retire and allow other players a chance
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30/03/2021 16:39:42 0 2
bbc
I am not from India either. Cricket is only alive because Indians pour lot of money. If Indians all of a sudden stop playing cricket that's nail in the coffin for cricket as a sport.
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Daz
30/03/2021 17:18:51 2 0
bbc
Not implying that you were but the tournament is in India (but it could just as easily be applied to BBL or any T20 or any competition that is not part of a regular series)

However your view that cricket is only alive due to India is an interesting point, but I think there will be interest in some varying degree around the world but only if the top players play for their respective country
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30/03/2021 16:41:16 3 5
bbc
does it matter if players miss England games , they ain't been any good anyway india the example lost test T20 and ODI series utter disgrace and the excuses were no better , sack the selectors /manager/useless spin coach/useless batting coach
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30/03/2021 16:34:30 5 0
bbc
I agree Duncan, intermingling with other Nations will improve your game.
& like Django/Caesar said, the financial aspect is very, very good.
The only problem seems to be, when the IPL clashes with International cricket.
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30/03/2021 16:42:09 2 0
bbc
Yes as we know and will keep typing this .... It's a very busy Cricketing year ahead.

Yes you would think better planning for the Franchise T20 and International will not clash fully.

Read somewhere today they on about the Ashes schedule being arranged as it's clashing with the WI Tour now.
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30/03/2021 16:19:10 2 2
bbc
Here is a list of the salaries, for the contracted players:-

https://www.sportingfree.com/cricket/england-players-salary/
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30/03/2021 16:42:31 2 0
bbc
Looking at that list, I just noticed something.
Joe Root has a 'white ball' contract.
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30/03/2021 16:53:39 1 0
bbc
Along with Woakes too and he is in the IPL.

Probably the only cricket he will play this year too and for the Bears and of course the Hundred too.
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31/03/2021 00:29:41 0 0
bbc
Root not good enough for IPL!
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30/03/2021 16:42:32 35 3
bbc
"Right now I think our players love playing for England," Giles said!!..What a ridiculous statement! Anyone with at least 1 brain cell knows that statement is utterly worthless!The correct one should have been "Right now,I know our players love playing WHERE THEY CAN EARN THE MOST MONEY"!!...I don't blame them either, but man up Giles and be honest about it & don't make pathetic PC statements!
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SLR
30/03/2021 17:43:23 8 2
bbc
Was he not the king of spin? I forget, it was Spain.
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Sri
30/03/2021 21:08:53 0 0
bbc
Our players actually love playing for the country. Having said that, they also want to make some money. They try their best to juggle both...just like most of us would do if we were in their boots.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
bbc
So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 16:44:40 4 0
bbc
Or is it good or bad cricket?

If Shane Watson was still making a career out of it it can’t be that great.
It seems more like a tournament for failed or retired test players. Doug Bollinger played it for years too (how bad was he) .
I would have thought a bit of red ball cricket for their own counties would be far better prep for England players.
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30/03/2021 17:50:17 3 0
bbc
A bit harsh on Bollinger who was a champagne cricketer.
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30/03/2021 16:09:58 7 5
bbc
Compared to elite footballers, top cricketers are on relatively modest salaries. They have short careers and I can fully appreciate them wanting to make hay whilst the sun shines.
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30/03/2021 16:46:00 7 1
bbc
Modest salaries, my heart bleeds for them. Do think they'd swop their "short careers" for a gauranreed life's work in McDonald's.
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30/03/2021 16:47:33 12 1
bbc
Feels like packer all over again.
Look it up kids
Nothing changes
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30/03/2021 18:10:16 6 0
bbc
Players weren't earning huge sums then, 600k for a Test contract is not peanuts.
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30/03/2021 16:52:14 25 4
bbc
For all the people who have only read the headline and just enjoy having a rant, this is the important bit:

‘players had already signed contracts with franchises agreeing to full availability for this year's tournament before the late confirmation of the series against New Zealand came in January.

"That is how their contracts were agreed. We don't think it is right to renege on that agreement.”
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30/03/2021 18:48:17 0 13
bbc
Except BBL, all these leagues are substandard. That is the main problem. The unsuspected public is being sold 3rd rate product and being swindled out of their hard earned money.
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30/03/2021 16:42:31 2 0
bbc
Looking at that list, I just noticed something.
Joe Root has a 'white ball' contract.
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30/03/2021 16:53:39 1 0
bbc
Along with Woakes too and he is in the IPL.

Probably the only cricket he will play this year too and for the Bears and of course the Hundred too.
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30/03/2021 16:38:22 1 0
bbc
Good one Duncan, lol.
I've seen Moeen's spelling being butchered a number of times.
But this is the first time I am seeing the Ali being clobbered to a Khan.
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30/03/2021 16:54:36 1 0
bbc
Baba next although he has produced some amazing displays at the crease.
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30/03/2021 16:56:28 42 1
bbc
Cant remember the last time Buttler played for Lancashire. Worst thing about it too, was Lancs giving him an extension to his contract and Buttler saying how great it is to play for a great club in a Lancs top. How do you know?
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30/03/2021 18:35:17 2 24
bbc
County cricket is in terminal decline. Or else England would be producing at least one or two quality players a decade. As it is, the only semi decent ones are imports
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30/03/2021 16:58:31 48 4
bbc
If you were a pro cricketer with a career of 12-15 years (if you're lucky) with limited job prospects after your career has ended, and you have the opportunity to double your salary by playing in the biggest t20 tournament in the world, improving your skills at the same time and you're still able to represent your country by balancing your time. Who the hell is going to say nah cba....
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30/03/2021 17:06:04 9 7
bbc
Job prospects after career has ended??. I think every ex England captain over the past 25 years has landed well paid jobs on TV & Radio and will probably continue ad infanitum. ??
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30/03/2021 17:43:52 4 2
bbc
a) they get well paid
b) they don't have limited job prospects at the end of their careers, they have much opportunity
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31/03/2021 17:07:22 1 0
bbc
Except batsmen play 20 years

Some spinners play 20+ years

Jimmy has already played 20 years

Different world with fitness levels now
86
30/03/2021 17:00:06 8 0
bbc
The players have got the England management over a barrel. Kerry Packer might have brought a lot of innovation to the game, but boy, has he a lot to answer for...
88
30/03/2021 17:03:01 11 1
bbc
at least Kerry Packer didn't invent the Hundred
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30/03/2021 17:38:54 2 0
bbc
If cricketers were paid a decent amount in the 70s, Packer's cricket would not have got off the ground.
Jeff Thomson said he was playing to a packed MCG and getting $200 for the entire match.
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30/03/2021 16:04:28 8 0
bbc
Isn’t this why KP fell out with the English cricketing management and as I recall with both sides having dug their heels in no good came of the matter
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30/03/2021 17:02:52 8 2
bbc
Mainly the old fogeys who turned their noses up at the IPL and jealous colleagues who weren't good enough to get signed who took issue and tried to sabotage him.
86
30/03/2021 17:00:06 8 0
bbc
The players have got the England management over a barrel. Kerry Packer might have brought a lot of innovation to the game, but boy, has he a lot to answer for...
88
30/03/2021 17:03:01 11 1
bbc
at least Kerry Packer didn't invent the Hundred
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30/03/2021 16:58:31 48 4
bbc
If you were a pro cricketer with a career of 12-15 years (if you're lucky) with limited job prospects after your career has ended, and you have the opportunity to double your salary by playing in the biggest t20 tournament in the world, improving your skills at the same time and you're still able to represent your country by balancing your time. Who the hell is going to say nah cba....
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30/03/2021 17:06:04 9 7
bbc
Job prospects after career has ended??. I think every ex England captain over the past 25 years has landed well paid jobs on TV & Radio and will probably continue ad infanitum. ??
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30/03/2021 17:27:04 12 2
bbc
That's 1 player, what about the rest of the them?
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30/03/2021 19:59:13 6 0
bbc
Mmmmm....

Your comment might be true about England captains, but what about the fates of all other England Test match players who did not make captain?

How many can win celebrity TV dance shows or make huge sums of money doing things for charity?

Would be good to review the recent careers/jobs of the last 50-100 former England test match players who have retired from Cricket!

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30/03/2021 20:42:11 5 1
bbc
A handful of players from each generation might land a good deal in the media, usually captains due to their influence and personality. The majority of players will end up either in low paid coaching jobs or have to try to break into a job market, approaching their 40s with next to no skills that others would have beeb developing for up to 20 years. They need to cash in during their playing days.
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31/03/2021 12:49:16 1 0
bbc
Every England Test squad, has only one 'current' captain, who is usually captain for several years (there have about a dozen different captains since 2000).

Therefore, very few England Test players will every get to be captain!

Ok, so former England Test captains get TV and Radio careers, but what do most of the other >90% of former England Test players do for career after they finish playing?
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30/03/2021 17:06:34 13 1
bbc
As we saw with Packer, England can't stop or penalise players who choose to ply their trade elsewhere... but they can select teams based on which players they think will help the England team move forward...!!
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30/03/2021 17:08:40 4 2
bbc
Stupid. IPL id brill nobody should not play in it.
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30/03/2021 17:11:47 6 0
bbc
Let them quit, they shouldn't be regarded as England 'best' and being a 'loss'.
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30/03/2021 16:07:46 4 0
bbc
So the bigger question is ............ is the IPL good or bad for cricket?
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30/03/2021 17:13:01 1 2
bbc
It allows fans to watch the best players in the world demonstrate skills that are not seen in other formats of the game. From the players perspective, they can earn a bigger salary and learn from other top players in the world. From ECB perspective their players are learning new skills and the IPL salaries fund grass roots in England, without significant investment from their end. Everyone wins
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Grb
30/03/2021 17:13:20 9 0
bbc
No problem with them playing IPL but you can’t have your cake and eat it.

Constant IPL availability will effect your test match technique and will probably reduce your chances of making test history.

Money vs Legacy (simple choice)
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30/03/2021 17:25:26 3 0
bbc
Disagree with the opinion that IPL affects test match technique. Prime example is Rohit Sharma who was always good in ODIs but has become a great Test match batsman. Also won the most IPL trohpys.
So your happy to let a bunch of top players leave for the IPL? I think Giles arguments are valid. Its easy to criticise the rotation this winter, but would it have been any better if we had done something else? We cant be sure. I'm happy to let those that know the game, the situation and the players best make the tough calls, and I will respect that.
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Grb
30/03/2021 17:16:46 7 2
bbc
I’m not convinced by Gilo as director of cricket anyway.
He’s failed to pull the trigger on Ed Smith and overseen the stupid failed rotation policy.
Get someone in there who is sensible, fair and prioritises Test cricket.
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30/03/2021 22:27:11 2 0
bbc
Agree - Test Cricket
Not just the Ashes
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30/03/2021 16:39:42 0 2
bbc
I am not from India either. Cricket is only alive because Indians pour lot of money. If Indians all of a sudden stop playing cricket that's nail in the coffin for cricket as a sport.
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Daz
30/03/2021 17:18:51 2 0
bbc
Not implying that you were but the tournament is in India (but it could just as easily be applied to BBL or any T20 or any competition that is not part of a regular series)

However your view that cricket is only alive due to India is an interesting point, but I think there will be interest in some varying degree around the world but only if the top players play for their respective country
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30/03/2021 17:22:39 8 1
bbc
"With the amount of cricket we have got, ..."
Then play less cricket.
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30/03/2021 17:23:07 2 2
bbc
Giles wrong man for England
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KR
30/03/2021 17:25:06 1 0
bbc
Frankie Boyle is the man for the job.
98
30/03/2021 17:23:07 2 2
bbc
Giles wrong man for England
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KR
30/03/2021 17:25:06 1 0
bbc
Frankie Boyle is the man for the job.
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30/03/2021 17:49:18 2 0
bbc
Nah. Sir Geoffery and Dickie B - dream management team.
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Grb
30/03/2021 17:13:20 9 0
bbc
No problem with them playing IPL but you can’t have your cake and eat it.

Constant IPL availability will effect your test match technique and will probably reduce your chances of making test history.

Money vs Legacy (simple choice)
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30/03/2021 17:25:26 3 0
bbc
Disagree with the opinion that IPL affects test match technique. Prime example is Rohit Sharma who was always good in ODIs but has become a great Test match batsman. Also won the most IPL trohpys.
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30/03/2021 22:28:43 2 1
bbc
Ipl is no good breeding ground for playing in England , South Africa or New Zealand

Rohit hasn’t scored runs in these countries consistently

Fact !
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30/03/2021 22:37:35 1 0
bbc
I disagree with you about Rohit. I expect him to be dropped after the second Test this summer. He won't be able to buy a run in English conditions. Looking further ahead, I don't see him having longterm success in Test cricket. He's primarily a white ball specialist.