Households of adults with weak immune systems to be vaccinated
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The aim is to reduce the risk of infection to those who may not respond well to a vaccine.
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david
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My neighbours both in their 30s have been vaccinated. Just phoned up the GP and asked to be put on a list if there was spare vaccines. Vaccinated the next day. Simples!
If they are fit and healthy, which I assume they are? there's not really benefit in jumping the queue. The rules are still in place to stop the spread, and practically no one within their age bracket, without severe underlying health issues, has died worldwide.
Shouldnt be happening
the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
So, if you had been on the Titanic you would have filled the lifeboats based on a persons wealth creation ability....
Pray tell how would you work out who these people are? Richard Branson perhaps, a sales director for Liberty Steel, a lorry driver taking goods to Europe, shop assistant from Leeds, accountant in Birmingham. Tell me oh wise one, we need the benefit of your insights. We are more than half way through the vax programme. You should have brought this up in Dec 2020
This shows such a lack of understanding of who this virus is dangerous for.
The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.
So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.
The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.
So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.
And here we go again , do you actually have conviction in your posts or are they just for effect , to generate responses ?
Obviously , you are young & fit , and at no risk from Covid at all ? ? I guess that the real wealth creators, the leaders , will have been vaccinated already in the over 50s cohort . you youngsters need to get back to work , and stop moaning
Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?
Well maybe someone reads the rubbish we contribute. It is possible that someone on here might actually comes up with a good idea.
Seem to be running a bit shy of 'politics', bbc . . .
And they expect the clinically extremely vulnerable to stop shielding and go back to work when the vaccine doesn't work as well for them. There should be more support for these people!
Why?
Sadly, there will still be a lot of death.
If 80% take up across all ages, 80% effectiveness, that still leaves millions to spread it and get it.
Throw in some variants and the vulnerable don't have great odds.
Come winter, we will see a repeat of this past Dec/Jan even with vaccines.
If 80% take up across all ages, 80% effectiveness, that still leaves millions to spread it and get it.
Throw in some variants and the vulnerable don't have great odds.
Come winter, we will see a repeat of this past Dec/Jan even with vaccines.
Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
Vaccines that don't prevent infection or stop you spreading cannot give herd immunity.
You don't need any vaccines to achieve 'Herd Immunity'...it will happen naturally in a society of people taking proper nutrition.
the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
Pray tell how would you work out who these people are? Richard Branson perhaps, a sales director for Liberty Steel, a lorry driver taking goods to Europe, shop assistant from Leeds, accountant in Birmingham. Tell me oh wise one, we need the benefit of your insights. We are more than half way through the vax programme. You should have brought this up in Dec 2020
Prioritising the households of the most vulnerable is a start, but those most vulnerable will still be at risk until the rest of the population hits herd immunity through vaccination.
Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
? No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
I think difficult questions and concerns like this will be coming up increasingly more often over the next 6 months.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
remember the covid action is not about the 18 deaths that did happen, but the hundreds which would have
A touch of hyperbole, but it's going to be at least four times before we are released.
Twice for this round of vaccines, then a double shot booster in late Autumn - at the same time as the emergency Covid powers are reviewed again.
10 times isn't actually beyond the realms of possibility.
Twice for this round of vaccines, then a double shot booster in late Autumn - at the same time as the emergency Covid powers are reviewed again.
10 times isn't actually beyond the realms of possibility.
He hasn't spouted rubbish..just wait til the scientists decide on another reason to throw Boris into a flat spin so he shuts everything down again, it'll be variant this,vaccine that, another variant,another vaccine...all justified by twisted logic(pubs are spreaders-shut em )...oh no,the virus is still spreading......
Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
100% agree.
Whilst some won't be happy until every person in the country has had two jabs the acceptable threshold to most is exactly this kind of approach.
Whilst some won't be happy until every person in the country has had two jabs the acceptable threshold to most is exactly this kind of approach.
And this benefits the economy how?
More poor and short termist policies from this spineless government!
More poor and short termist policies from this spineless government!
Prioritising the households of the most vulnerable is a start, but those most vulnerable will still be at risk until the rest of the population hits herd immunity through vaccination.
Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?
Herbert_A_Gilbert
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to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"
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No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
15:21
to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"
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No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
Genuine question.
Why reply to a comment, then repost the comment you have already responded to and your answer to that comment as a new comment?
Why reply to a comment, then repost the comment you have already responded to and your answer to that comment as a new comment?
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
And will take decade to recover UK NHS health.. Backlog of non covid work, long covid issues plus if covid is ongoing health issue with for instance annual jabs required.
An unlimited budget that our children will be paying back for the rest of their working lives over something that is not the deadly threat to humanity it's been made out to be.
Seems a sensible decision to me. It’ll give them an added degree of protection, though going anywhere outside the home, with crowds of people will always have risks.
Seems to have missed first step.. To give those at risk second jab first.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
Enter Macron to tell us it is 'Quasi Effective' in people living with others with reduced immune systems.
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
But the vaccine hasn't been proven to reduce transmission by any significant amount, has it?
remember the covid action is not about the 18 deaths that did happen, but the hundreds which would have
Logical, feasible and achievable.
Seems to be an exercise in clear thinking unencumbered by political point scoring, and with another vaccine about to come on stream, I say go for it!!
The more deaths avoided, the quicker I/we get out freedoms back.
Seems to be an exercise in clear thinking unencumbered by political point scoring, and with another vaccine about to come on stream, I say go for it!!
The more deaths avoided, the quicker I/we get out freedoms back.
Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
Agreed, especially as a number of the vulnerable are house bound and in many areas there is not the procedure to vaccinate them yet ie a home visit so if we can reduce the risk of their carers and others in the household passing it on great. BUT if children are excluded and they, theoretically at least, have a lerge risk of covid contact there does seem to ne a gaping hole to be filled.
Freedom? They love having us locked up and wont give that back lightly.
about bloody time as well.
I think it's just a case of not wasting vaccines. A 40 yr old colleague was vaccinated on Friday. The center had a lot more spare doses than usual and ran out of reserve patients who could attend at 17:00 at very short notice so staff just rang round friends and family rather than bin the spare doses. Given every administered dose is a step forward, it seems reasonable,
Seems to have missed first step.. To give those at risk second jab first.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
Does not matter how many vaccines you are given if your immune system does not respond to produce the antibody/T cells etc.
They did a survey on specific cancers and teatments - antibodies were only detected in low teens in some of the groups.
If giving it to others cuts the risk of being exposed by c30% - as NHS staff to home survey - that's a bigger boost than the few % likely from 2nd dose.
They did a survey on specific cancers and teatments - antibodies were only detected in low teens in some of the groups.
If giving it to others cuts the risk of being exposed by c30% - as NHS staff to home survey - that's a bigger boost than the few % likely from 2nd dose.
The plan is to continue with the 2nd jag for those at risk. What is being suggested here is to prioritise those who are housemates of people with lowered immunity above healthy young people who are unlikely to get a severe form of Covid and who will not be close contacts with the 'at risk'.
We've all suffered because the govt refused to believe we could be trusted not to interact with the vulnerable (or that for some reason not interacting wouldn't be effective)
And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to
Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all
Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to
Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all
Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
Herbert_A_Gilbert
15:21
to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"
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No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
15:21
to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"
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No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
Ah, govt. policy, I see . . . .
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
This is utter nonsense! Vaccine priority is for those most at risk of serious illness!
I don’t personally know a single person who has tried to jump the queue so I believe your statement is a bit OTT.
I shouldn't be in a priority group! (fairly happy about that to be honest, means I've less to worry about ) I'll get my jap in due course
How long have you felt this way ? ?? ??
Exactly how many "vulnerable" people who have tested positive have gone on to die govt?
How much more at risk were they than the 0.5% (being generous here - might be nearer 0.3% if false negatives included) of the population in countries (like Iceland) who died with full testing have found?
Being old is the main issue / being old and sick even worse
Just vulnerable - feels emotional not factual
How much more at risk were they than the 0.5% (being generous here - might be nearer 0.3% if false negatives included) of the population in countries (like Iceland) who died with full testing have found?
Being old is the main issue / being old and sick even worse
Just vulnerable - feels emotional not factual
Many of the "vulnerable" are young healthy people who have to take immune suppressants for various reasons. My husband has had a kidney transplant for 28 years and is fit and healthy but needs immune suppressants to stop him rejecting the kidney. These patients have not done at all well if they have caught Covid, and only 27% have made antibodies following the vaccine. They are young, high risk
Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
Took 3 consultants nearly 2 months to decide if one patient should have jab or not, which one, and whether or not should suspend certain drugs use before and/or after jab.
Five letters - advice changed in all - ended either and no suspension.
There was nothing medically established - there were no definites.
The cancer patient antibody response trials only recent - other trials yet to start.
Five letters - advice changed in all - ended either and no suspension.
There was nothing medically established - there were no definites.
The cancer patient antibody response trials only recent - other trials yet to start.
Don't be daft.
The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
I can smell shereholder :)
Co-op funeral care top of your list then.
Even the giants of industry need a healthy productive workforce or can they create wealth all on their own?
Yep,wealth that will benefit everyone including NHS when the hospital's need money for salaries and equipment.
Get the pubs open,get some income back into the treasury from hospitality which contributed a massive chunk of cash which again benefits all.
Especially as there was no need to shut them in the first place as they weren't the virus Spreaders they were made out to be....
Get the pubs open,get some income back into the treasury from hospitality which contributed a massive chunk of cash which again benefits all.
Especially as there was no need to shut them in the first place as they weren't the virus Spreaders they were made out to be....
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."
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What has this got to do with vaccines?
EH??
Seems entirely reasonable and science-based. Bit of a safe choice for comments?
Incredibly safe. Strange, again.
It would have been reasonable had this been considered as part of the initial vaccination roll out.
It does seem somewhat redundant now the first 9 phases are practically complete, in terms of 1st dosage. It would likely allow a few people in their 20s and 30s, to get their jab a few weeks earlier! whereas if this was considered from day one, it would've been 6 months earlier.
It does seem somewhat redundant now the first 9 phases are practically complete, in terms of 1st dosage. It would likely allow a few people in their 20s and 30s, to get their jab a few weeks earlier! whereas if this was considered from day one, it would've been 6 months earlier.
I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
Ask your GP, but I'm guessing the answer is - have the second jab. The immunity provided by the first and second vaccinations is being carefully monitored. Immunity from having COVID is an unknown quantity, particularly with the many variants in circulation.
Just my guess...
Just my guess...
If the clinically vulnerable follow the pattern, a vaccine gives them about 2/3rd protection. The protection of the remaining 1/3rd is the key point. If they are no more at risk then it is not necessary. If they are, you could have to use 3 or 4 vaccines. Even then it is still not 100% as they will not be 100% protected. Not sure this adds up
The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
Seems entirely reasonable and science-based. Bit of a safe choice for comments?
A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."
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A tad too real for some deicate souls ?? ?? Removed
Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."
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A tad too real for some deicate souls ?? ?? Removed
I can smell shereholder :)
I can smell shereholder :)
They didn't even vaccinate the vulnerable member of our household without being constantly nagged by us! Consultant team and GP team miscommuications!
It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
Words are so much cheaper than anything social costing money . .
I wouldn't believe Boris and Hancock if they told me water was wet...
the remaining question is now is the longevity of the vaccine.
If short-lived then we are in fact no further forward at all.
Equally there are no other options, irrespective of outcome.
One thing that unites everybody across the world is that our days are ultimately numbered. Its just a case of what gets you and when. Not if.
If short-lived then we are in fact no further forward at all.
Equally there are no other options, irrespective of outcome.
One thing that unites everybody across the world is that our days are ultimately numbered. Its just a case of what gets you and when. Not if.
That's not a very logical statement when you look at what is happening in EU and other parts of the world with poor vaccine roll-out. Cases and deaths increasing without vaccine,ours decreasing. Prefer death to get me later rather than sooner. How about you? You keen on dying young? If the answer is yes then I hope you haven't sullied the gene pool
Absolutely. I can't believe they are vaccinating the world with a vaccine that had so little testing they don't know if it stops infection or just makes you a super spreader (asymptomatic), or know how long it lasts or what long term side effects there might be, and doesn't gives us back our freedom. Still we now have 30 million lab rats in the UK testing it, I'd rather take my chances with Covid!
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Possibly this is the reaction to a small study from Leicester a couple of weeks ago that showed that the vaccine was less effective in people with some cancers and much less than that in people with blood cancers. It doesn't seem unreasonable to take notice of new information.
what is the BBC saying the age group to be vaccinated will be push back for those vulnerable group, they should be done n dusted by now, it should be my turn next, been waiting for this day to happen, god know when is Christmas!! I'm waiting to go on holiday to the Moon.Virgin galactic here I come:)
He hasn't spouted rubbish..just wait til the scientists decide on another reason to throw Boris into a flat spin so he shuts everything down again, it'll be variant this,vaccine that, another variant,another vaccine...all justified by twisted logic(pubs are spreaders-shut em )...oh no,the virus is still spreading......
It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
According to studies only about 27% of kidney transplant patients form antibodies to the first vaccine, and this figure is not improved by the second vaccine if it is 12 weeks apart. According the cancer study, these immune suppressed patients stand a high chance of being protected if the doses are 3-4 weeks apart. Wouldn't it be good idea all round to get this vulnerable group protected?
Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
Presumably they will ask for proof of your partners condition and that you share an address. Should be easy enough.
1) The NHS has a registered address - maybe not the correct one - for everyone who is registered with a GP
2) the article does not mention support bubles - only living with.
2) the article does not mention support bubles - only living with.
You are basing that on a few false assumptions and misunderstandings. Similar measures have already been implemented. Carers of vulnerable people for example. The suggestion is not that people start applying for the vaccine on the basis they share with an immunosuppressed person, rather that the care providers offer this on the basis that they are well aware of who these critical patients are
It won't be down to any GP. Those unfortunate to be in that position will be under the continuing care of the hospital, to where they will go for all their needs. I'm sure the hospital can then refer partners for vaccination.
Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
Some politicians - wanted their list of special interest groups prioritised - millions of them - over JCVI priorities.
The majority of public sector not just teachers, not just public facing council staff etc - if they had listened to Sir Keir and his deputy / health secretary etc - about 6 weeks ago now.
Were led to believe they were all special cases.
The majority of public sector not just teachers, not just public facing council staff etc - if they had listened to Sir Keir and his deputy / health secretary etc - about 6 weeks ago now.
Were led to believe they were all special cases.
No thought for asthmatics as usual. Long term steroid use in preventer inhalers is linked to increased lung infections that are more antibiotic resistant. Government logic is there are no studies into long term preventer inhalers and COVID so it must be fine. Yes no higher death rate but much higher rate of long COVID and longer hospital stays. Employ scientists rather than a clown for a committee
I'm asthmatic using a steroid inhaler and I have never had a chest infection, never taken anti-biotics of any sort in the last 40 years, and consider myself unlucky if I get one cold in 2 years. There has been no long term study on the side effects of the Covid vaccine either, but yet you want it. Anti-biotic resistance is because people take them like sweets and doctors don't say no.
Scientists like those in the JCVI?
This is not Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Michael Gove making these decisions .
And they announced not that long ago that "If you have ever had an emergency hospital admission for your asthma, you will fall into priority group 6. So not 'no thought for asthmatics'. Unfortunately the GPs in many cases have interpreted "ever" as "recently"
This is not Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Michael Gove making these decisions .
And they announced not that long ago that "If you have ever had an emergency hospital admission for your asthma, you will fall into priority group 6. So not 'no thought for asthmatics'. Unfortunately the GPs in many cases have interpreted "ever" as "recently"
Well maybe someone reads the rubbish we contribute. It is possible that someone on here might actually comes up with a good idea.
We've all suffered because the govt refused to believe we could be trusted not to interact with the vulnerable (or that for some reason not interacting wouldn't be effective)
And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to
Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all
Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to
Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all
Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
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If you want decent Healthcare - do not vote conservative. Removed
also remember that 48% of the NHS budget is wages. So 1% = £500m.
Would be worse with a labour government and captain hindsight. The NHS are doing their best!
So you want to greatly increase your tax bill and decrease all measures to get economy on it's feet and end up with more families in poverty? Good idea, Einstein. Health care is very good,much better than in EU
Healthcare seems to be doing pretty well under successive conservative governments. Any specific reason for your comment?
Sounds a sensible idea.
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Remember -
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If you want decent Healthcare - do not vote conservative. Removed
Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
If the clinically vulnerable follow the pattern, a vaccine gives them about 2/3rd protection. The protection of the remaining 1/3rd is the key point. If they are no more at risk then it is not necessary. If they are, you could have to use 3 or 4 vaccines. Even then it is still not 100% as they will not be 100% protected. Not sure this adds up
I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
my support bubble includes a vulnerable person and I don't live with them but I see them regularly, surely people like me should also be included in this??
the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
This shows such a lack of understanding of who this virus is dangerous for.
The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.
So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.
The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.
So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.