Households of adults with weak immune systems to be vaccinated
29/03/2021 | news | health | 233
The aim is to reduce the risk of infection to those who may not respond well to a vaccine.
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29/03/2021 14:14:09 8 11
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My neighbours both in their 30s have been vaccinated. Just phoned up the GP and asked to be put on a list if there was spare vaccines. Vaccinated the next day. Simples!
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29/03/2021 14:37:03 7 1
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If they are fit and healthy, which I assume they are? there's not really benefit in jumping the queue. The rules are still in place to stop the spread, and practically no one within their age bracket, without severe underlying health issues, has died worldwide.
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29/03/2021 14:40:01 6 2
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Shouldnt be happening
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29/03/2021 14:14:45 5 7
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I am surprising that this has not been done already.
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29/03/2021 15:57:20 0 0
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Better to get all vulnerable some protection than a few get more
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29/03/2021 14:14:52 3 34
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the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
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29/03/2021 14:21:37 4 0
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So we should vaccinate the workers
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29/03/2021 14:19:56 3 0
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So, if you had been on the Titanic you would have filled the lifeboats based on a persons wealth creation ability....
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29/03/2021 14:22:11 5 0
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Pray tell how would you work out who these people are? Richard Branson perhaps, a sales director for Liberty Steel, a lorry driver taking goods to Europe, shop assistant from Leeds, accountant in Birmingham. Tell me oh wise one, we need the benefit of your insights. We are more than half way through the vax programme. You should have brought this up in Dec 2020
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29/03/2021 15:16:40 1 1
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This shows such a lack of understanding of who this virus is dangerous for.

The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.

So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.
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29/03/2021 15:24:03 0 0
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And here we go again , do you actually have conviction in your posts or are they just for effect , to generate responses ?
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29/03/2021 16:58:54 1 1
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Obviously , you are young & fit , and at no risk from Covid at all ? ? I guess that the real wealth creators, the leaders , will have been vaccinated already in the over 50s cohort . you youngsters need to get back to work , and stop moaning
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29/03/2021 14:16:05 32 2
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Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
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29/03/2021 14:18:28 53 11
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That is why the world needs herd immunity. Everyone should get vaccinated; it will reduce the risk to others.
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29/03/2021 14:52:33 2 3
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Surely they should have established this when vaccinations started in December?
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29/03/2021 14:16:51 23 15
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Another hour, another covid HYS!
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29/03/2021 14:21:57 27 8
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This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?
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29/03/2021 14:44:13 1 1
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Well maybe someone reads the rubbish we contribute. It is possible that someone on here might actually comes up with a good idea.
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29/03/2021 14:18:49 23 4
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Seem to be running a bit shy of 'politics', bbc . . .
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29/03/2021 14:19:03 15 14
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And they expect the clinically extremely vulnerable to stop shielding and go back to work when the vaccine doesn't work as well for them. There should be more support for these people!
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29/03/2021 14:38:54 3 8
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Why?
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29/03/2021 16:24:01 2 0
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Sadly, there will still be a lot of death.

If 80% take up across all ages, 80% effectiveness, that still leaves millions to spread it and get it.

Throw in some variants and the vulnerable don't have great odds.

Come winter, we will see a repeat of this past Dec/Jan even with vaccines.
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29/03/2021 14:16:05 32 2
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Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
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29/03/2021 14:18:28 53 11
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That is why the world needs herd immunity. Everyone should get vaccinated; it will reduce the risk to others.
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29/03/2021 16:31:05 1 2
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Vaccines that don't prevent infection or stop you spreading cannot give herd immunity.
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29/03/2021 17:33:06 1 1
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You don't need any vaccines to achieve 'Herd Immunity'...it will happen naturally in a society of people taking proper nutrition.
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29/03/2021 14:14:52 3 34
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the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
10
29/03/2021 14:21:37 4 0
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So we should vaccinate the workers
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29/03/2021 14:14:52 3 34
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the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
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29/03/2021 14:19:56 3 0
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So, if you had been on the Titanic you would have filled the lifeboats based on a persons wealth creation ability....
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29/03/2021 14:22:09 9 31
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Everyone will have to be vaccinated 10 times before this outfit release us all.
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29/03/2021 14:27:56 23 1
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Don’t spout such rubbish.......
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29/03/2021 14:14:52 3 34
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the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
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29/03/2021 14:22:11 5 0
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Pray tell how would you work out who these people are? Richard Branson perhaps, a sales director for Liberty Steel, a lorry driver taking goods to Europe, shop assistant from Leeds, accountant in Birmingham. Tell me oh wise one, we need the benefit of your insights. We are more than half way through the vax programme. You should have brought this up in Dec 2020
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29/03/2021 14:23:20 9 6
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Prioritising the households of the most vulnerable is a start, but those most vulnerable will still be at risk until the rest of the population hits herd immunity through vaccination.
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29/03/2021 14:31:32 5 2
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Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
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29/03/2021 14:16:51 23 15
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Another hour, another covid HYS!
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29/03/2021 14:21:57 27 8
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This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?
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29/03/2021 14:31:35 5 3
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? No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
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CT
29/03/2021 14:27:09 18 17
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The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.

If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
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29/03/2021 14:33:07 14 1
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I think difficult questions and concerns like this will be coming up increasingly more often over the next 6 months.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
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29/03/2021 14:33:51 11 1
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remember the covid action is not about the 18 deaths that did happen, but the hundreds which would have
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29/03/2021 14:44:39 1 2
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Taiwan has 10 covid deaths in 12 months.
Majority SE Asia Inc ozz and New Zealand have less deaths, economic damage or lockdowns.
Most of those countries have so few covid deaths etc that.. They aren't in vaccine rush.
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29/03/2021 14:22:09 9 31
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Everyone will have to be vaccinated 10 times before this outfit release us all.
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29/03/2021 14:27:56 23 1
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Don’t spout such rubbish.......
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29/03/2021 14:35:39 7 6
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A touch of hyperbole, but it's going to be at least four times before we are released.
Twice for this round of vaccines, then a double shot booster in late Autumn - at the same time as the emergency Covid powers are reviewed again.

10 times isn't actually beyond the realms of possibility.
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29/03/2021 15:00:31 1 7
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He hasn't spouted rubbish..just wait til the scientists decide on another reason to throw Boris into a flat spin so he shuts everything down again, it'll be variant this,vaccine that, another variant,another vaccine...all justified by twisted logic(pubs are spreaders-shut em )...oh no,the virus is still spreading......
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29/03/2021 14:30:08 42 4
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Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
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29/03/2021 14:34:27 28 4
bbc
100% agree.

Whilst some won't be happy until every person in the country has had two jabs the acceptable threshold to most is exactly this kind of approach.
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29/03/2021 14:42:43 1 3
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So why not 2nd jab those at risk first.. Before housemates?
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29/03/2021 15:43:33 1 5
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And this benefits the economy how?

More poor and short termist policies from this spineless government!
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29/03/2021 14:30:40 7 15
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This should have been done months ago.

So many fit have been vaccinated whilst who knows how many had to shield.
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29/03/2021 14:41:57 1 3
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Well qcovid was a shock.. Suddenly in Feb, after 12 months of not shielding, millions were told to shield.
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29/03/2021 14:30:50 10 2
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It makes sense, but we need to sort out the vaccine supply issues first.
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29/03/2021 14:23:20 9 6
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Prioritising the households of the most vulnerable is a start, but those most vulnerable will still be at risk until the rest of the population hits herd immunity through vaccination.
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29/03/2021 14:31:32 5 2
bbc
Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
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29/03/2021 14:43:39 1 5
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A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
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29/03/2021 14:21:57 27 8
bbc
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?
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29/03/2021 14:31:35 5 3
bbc
? No-one says that they should not.
Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
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29/03/2021 14:32:22 8 0
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Herbert_A_Gilbert
15:21
to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"

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? ? ? ?

No-one says that they should not.

Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
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29/03/2021 14:44:01 4 2
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Genuine question.

Why reply to a comment, then repost the comment you have already responded to and your answer to that comment as a new comment?
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CT
29/03/2021 14:27:09 18 17
bbc
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.

If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
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29/03/2021 14:33:07 14 1
bbc
I think difficult questions and concerns like this will be coming up increasingly more often over the next 6 months.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
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29/03/2021 14:46:08 0 2
bbc
And will take decade to recover UK NHS health.. Backlog of non covid work, long covid issues plus if covid is ongoing health issue with for instance annual jabs required.
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29/03/2021 14:56:12 2 7
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An unlimited budget that our children will be paying back for the rest of their working lives over something that is not the deadly threat to humanity it's been made out to be.
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29/03/2021 15:52:33 0 0
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To be polite that is an absolute 'inaccuracy'
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29/03/2021 14:33:34 21 1
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Seems a sensible decision to me. It’ll give them an added degree of protection, though going anywhere outside the home, with crowds of people will always have risks.
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29/03/2021 14:40:36 7 8
bbc
Seems to have missed first step.. To give those at risk second jab first.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
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29/03/2021 14:33:46 37 10
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Enter Macron to tell us it is 'Quasi Effective' in people living with others with reduced immune systems.
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29/03/2021 15:37:09 33 2
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Macron is only quasi-effective as President of France.
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CT
29/03/2021 14:27:09 18 17
bbc
The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.

If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
27
29/03/2021 14:33:51 11 1
bbc
remember the covid action is not about the 18 deaths that did happen, but the hundreds which would have
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29/03/2021 14:38:06 2 2
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Couldn't the same argument be applied to suicides. There are 17 reported suicides, but we don't know how many have been averted by the services already in place.
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29/03/2021 14:30:08 42 4
bbc
Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
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29/03/2021 14:34:27 28 4
bbc
100% agree.

Whilst some won't be happy until every person in the country has had two jabs the acceptable threshold to most is exactly this kind of approach.
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29/03/2021 14:27:56 23 1
bbc
Don’t spout such rubbish.......
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29/03/2021 14:35:39 7 6
bbc
A touch of hyperbole, but it's going to be at least four times before we are released.
Twice for this round of vaccines, then a double shot booster in late Autumn - at the same time as the emergency Covid powers are reviewed again.

10 times isn't actually beyond the realms of possibility.
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29/03/2021 14:14:09 8 11
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My neighbours both in their 30s have been vaccinated. Just phoned up the GP and asked to be put on a list if there was spare vaccines. Vaccinated the next day. Simples!
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29/03/2021 14:37:03 7 1
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If they are fit and healthy, which I assume they are? there's not really benefit in jumping the queue. The rules are still in place to stop the spread, and practically no one within their age bracket, without severe underlying health issues, has died worldwide.
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Stu
29/03/2021 14:34:51 3 25
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But the vaccine hasn't been proven to reduce transmission by any significant amount, has it?
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29/03/2021 14:40:11 15 2
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?? - yes it has! And from several studies.
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29/03/2021 14:47:19 8 1
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First data suggest a 60% reduction in transmission, so YES.
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29/03/2021 15:10:20 3 0
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Where ignorance is bliss.................
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29/03/2021 14:33:51 11 1
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remember the covid action is not about the 18 deaths that did happen, but the hundreds which would have
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29/03/2021 14:38:06 2 2
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Couldn't the same argument be applied to suicides. There are 17 reported suicides, but we don't know how many have been averted by the services already in place.
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CT
29/03/2021 15:21:54 2 0
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Mental health support and services are very thin on the ground, demand had been increasing, funding cut.
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29/03/2021 14:19:03 15 14
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And they expect the clinically extremely vulnerable to stop shielding and go back to work when the vaccine doesn't work as well for them. There should be more support for these people!
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29/03/2021 14:38:54 3 8
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Why?
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29/03/2021 14:39:26 69 4
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Logical, feasible and achievable.

Seems to be an exercise in clear thinking unencumbered by political point scoring, and with another vaccine about to come on stream, I say go for it!!

The more deaths avoided, the quicker I/we get out freedoms back.
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29/03/2021 15:06:17 28 12
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Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.

Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
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29/03/2021 15:35:49 3 0
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Agreed, especially as a number of the vulnerable are house bound and in many areas there is not the procedure to vaccinate them yet ie a home visit so if we can reduce the risk of their carers and others in the household passing it on great. BUT if children are excluded and they, theoretically at least, have a lerge risk of covid contact there does seem to ne a gaping hole to be filled.
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30/03/2021 15:01:50 0 0
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Freedom? They love having us locked up and wont give that back lightly.
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29/03/2021 14:38:18 11 3
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about bloody time as well.
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29/03/2021 15:41:11 5 1
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Clearly you didn't read the article properly or you wouldn't have missed the words 'recent studies '
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Stu
29/03/2021 14:34:51 3 25
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But the vaccine hasn't been proven to reduce transmission by any significant amount, has it?
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29/03/2021 14:40:11 15 2
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?? - yes it has! And from several studies.
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29/03/2021 14:14:09 8 11
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My neighbours both in their 30s have been vaccinated. Just phoned up the GP and asked to be put on a list if there was spare vaccines. Vaccinated the next day. Simples!
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29/03/2021 14:40:01 6 2
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Shouldnt be happening
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29/03/2021 15:30:02 2 0
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I think it's just a case of not wasting vaccines. A 40 yr old colleague was vaccinated on Friday. The center had a lot more spare doses than usual and ran out of reserve patients who could attend at 17:00 at very short notice so staff just rang round friends and family rather than bin the spare doses. Given every administered dose is a step forward, it seems reasonable,
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29/03/2021 15:59:12 0 0
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Why not? Surely better to vaccinate somebody - anybody- rather than waste a dose?
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29/03/2021 14:33:34 21 1
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Seems a sensible decision to me. It’ll give them an added degree of protection, though going anywhere outside the home, with crowds of people will always have risks.
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29/03/2021 14:40:36 7 8
bbc
Seems to have missed first step.. To give those at risk second jab first.
Also research into degree of protection given by time of day (supposedly those jabbed in am have better response?), mixing of jabs (sputnik jab is 2 different doses) etc.
It's another way UK can do research and benefit global covid rollout.. Including stupid EU.
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29/03/2021 15:24:38 0 0
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I agree. We need more research into how to protect immune suppressed people.
A second jab 4 weeks after the first might well have helped.
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29/03/2021 14:30:40 7 15
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This should have been done months ago.

So many fit have been vaccinated whilst who knows how many had to shield.
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29/03/2021 14:41:57 1 3
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Well qcovid was a shock.. Suddenly in Feb, after 12 months of not shielding, millions were told to shield.
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29/03/2021 14:30:08 42 4
bbc
Makes sense. The main priority of Covid management has been to reduce deaths and hospitalisations with severe disease. Those most 'at risk' have had their first dose by now and so, rather than immunise healthy 30 year olds early, it makes sense to do the housemates of people who remain at risk of severe disease as they may not have good protection from the vaccine themselves.
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29/03/2021 14:42:43 1 3
bbc
So why not 2nd jab those at risk first.. Before housemates?
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29/03/2021 15:36:06 0 0
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Does not matter how many vaccines you are given if your immune system does not respond to produce the antibody/T cells etc.

They did a survey on specific cancers and teatments - antibodies were only detected in low teens in some of the groups.

If giving it to others cuts the risk of being exposed by c30% - as NHS staff to home survey - that's a bigger boost than the few % likely from 2nd dose.
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29/03/2021 16:34:51 0 0
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The plan is to continue with the 2nd jag for those at risk. What is being suggested here is to prioritise those who are housemates of people with lowered immunity above healthy young people who are unlikely to get a severe form of Covid and who will not be close contacts with the 'at risk'.
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29/03/2021 14:42:48 8 19
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We've all suffered because the govt refused to believe we could be trusted not to interact with the vulnerable (or that for some reason not interacting wouldn't be effective)

And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to

Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all

Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
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29/03/2021 15:09:08 4 1
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Perhaps you would be happier living in the much less chaotic EU?
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29/03/2021 14:31:32 5 2
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Which won’t actually be far off. With a first dose reducing transmission by around 2/3rds and a second dose even more the reduction in transmission from vaccination will be around 30% by now and at least another 20% from previous immunity so over 50% already and rising. With no restrictions at all you might need a reduction 70% to keep R below 1, with very minimal restrictions 50-60%.
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29/03/2021 14:43:39 1 5
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A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
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29/03/2021 14:57:00 3 1
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Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
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29/03/2021 14:32:22 8 0
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Herbert_A_Gilbert
15:21
to threedogs
Herbert_A_Gilbert replied:
This happens to be a very important issue for many, many people in the UK. The ones with weakened immune systems, and, their families/carers. Why should they not have a voice?"

-------------

? ? ? ?

No-one says that they should not.

Highlighting the careful choice of what is allowed to comment about is also important :)
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29/03/2021 14:44:01 4 2
bbc
Genuine question.

Why reply to a comment, then repost the comment you have already responded to and your answer to that comment as a new comment?
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29/03/2021 14:16:51 23 15
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Another hour, another covid HYS!
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29/03/2021 14:44:13 1 1
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Well maybe someone reads the rubbish we contribute. It is possible that someone on here might actually comes up with a good idea.
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29/03/2021 15:08:14 0 2
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Ah, govt. policy, I see . . . .
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CT
29/03/2021 14:27:09 18 17
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The UK daily average of Suicides is 17, just one less than the recorded deaths from Coronovirus yesterday.

If we can get just 1/1000 of the government funding for such preventable deaths as has been spent on Coronaviruis, then we can say that we can say that we live in a caring world.
45
29/03/2021 14:44:39 1 2
bbc
Taiwan has 10 covid deaths in 12 months.
Majority SE Asia Inc ozz and New Zealand have less deaths, economic damage or lockdowns.
Most of those countries have so few covid deaths etc that.. They aren't in vaccine rush.
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29/03/2021 14:45:19 7 10
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
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29/03/2021 15:03:50 6 1
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This is utter nonsense! Vaccine priority is for those most at risk of serious illness!
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29/03/2021 15:04:55 5 0
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I don’t personally know a single person who has tried to jump the queue so I believe your statement is a bit OTT.
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29/03/2021 15:04:57 6 0
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I shouldn't be in a priority group! (fairly happy about that to be honest, means I've less to worry about ) I'll get my jap in due course
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29/03/2021 15:06:27 2 1
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How long have you felt this way ? ?? ??
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29/03/2021 14:33:07 14 1
bbc
I think difficult questions and concerns like this will be coming up increasingly more often over the next 6 months.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
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29/03/2021 14:46:08 0 2
bbc
And will take decade to recover UK NHS health.. Backlog of non covid work, long covid issues plus if covid is ongoing health issue with for instance annual jabs required.
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Stu
29/03/2021 14:34:51 3 25
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But the vaccine hasn't been proven to reduce transmission by any significant amount, has it?
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29/03/2021 14:47:19 8 1
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First data suggest a 60% reduction in transmission, so YES.
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29/03/2021 14:48:37 5 18
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Exactly how many "vulnerable" people who have tested positive have gone on to die govt?

How much more at risk were they than the 0.5% (being generous here - might be nearer 0.3% if false negatives included) of the population in countries (like Iceland) who died with full testing have found?

Being old is the main issue / being old and sick even worse

Just vulnerable - feels emotional not factual
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29/03/2021 15:22:35 3 0
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Many of the "vulnerable" are young healthy people who have to take immune suppressants for various reasons. My husband has had a kidney transplant for 28 years and is fit and healthy but needs immune suppressants to stop him rejecting the kidney. These patients have not done at all well if they have caught Covid, and only 27% have made antibodies following the vaccine. They are young, high risk
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29/03/2021 17:10:37 1 0
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The next time I administer my wife's chemo injection, I'll be sure to let her know it's just for her emotional well-being (and then duck) :D
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29/03/2021 14:16:05 32 2
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Seems fair to me to protect the whole household if someone's health condition may prevent the vaccine working effectively. That being said, presumably vulnerable people themselves have to re-enter society at some point: what they will do long-term with reduced immunity is another question.
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29/03/2021 14:52:33 2 3
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Surely they should have established this when vaccinations started in December?
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29/03/2021 15:45:31 0 0
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Took 3 consultants nearly 2 months to decide if one patient should have jab or not, which one, and whether or not should suspend certain drugs use before and/or after jab.

Five letters - advice changed in all - ended either and no suspension.

There was nothing medically established - there were no definites.

The cancer patient antibody response trials only recent - other trials yet to start.
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29/03/2021 14:52:49 3 11
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Open now.
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29/03/2021 15:05:37 3 1
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Don't be daft.
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 3 25
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The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!

We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
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29/03/2021 14:54:54 9 1
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I can smell shereholder :)
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29/03/2021 15:03:46 2 0
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Co-op funeral care top of your list then.
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29/03/2021 15:04:31 2 0
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Even the giants of industry need a healthy productive workforce or can they create wealth all on their own?
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29/03/2021 15:10:09 0 2
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Yep,wealth that will benefit everyone including NHS when the hospital's need money for salaries and equipment.
Get the pubs open,get some income back into the treasury from hospitality which contributed a massive chunk of cash which again benefits all.
Especially as there was no need to shut them in the first place as they weren't the virus Spreaders they were made out to be....
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."

A tad too real for some deicate souls ?? ??
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29/03/2021 14:57:34 3 0
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What has this got to do with vaccines?
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29/03/2021 15:00:18 0 0
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EH??
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29/03/2021 14:54:38 28 1
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Seems entirely reasonable and science-based. Bit of a safe choice for comments?
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29/03/2021 14:56:29 8 0
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Incredibly safe. Strange, again.
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It would have been reasonable had this been considered as part of the initial vaccination roll out.

It does seem somewhat redundant now the first 9 phases are practically complete, in terms of 1st dosage. It would likely allow a few people in their 20s and 30s, to get their jab a few weeks earlier! whereas if this was considered from day one, it would've been 6 months earlier.
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29/03/2021 14:52:28 9 6
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I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
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29/03/2021 15:00:06 9 2
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Ask your GP, but I'm guessing the answer is - have the second jab. The immunity provided by the first and second vaccinations is being carefully monitored. Immunity from having COVID is an unknown quantity, particularly with the many variants in circulation.
Just my guess...
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29/03/2021 15:16:24 3 0
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Of course you need the booster. Oh dear.
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29/03/2021 14:54:41 1 11
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If the clinically vulnerable follow the pattern, a vaccine gives them about 2/3rd protection. The protection of the remaining 1/3rd is the key point. If they are no more at risk then it is not necessary. If they are, you could have to use 3 or 4 vaccines. Even then it is still not 100% as they will not be 100% protected. Not sure this adds up
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29/03/2021 15:05:05 2 0
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Only about 27% of immune suppressed people are protected, according to the first 2 studies that have come out.
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 3 25
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The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!

We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
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29/03/2021 14:54:54 9 1
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I can smell shereholder :)
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29/03/2021 15:00:28 6 0
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I just had a sniff and I am certain its a troll.
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29/03/2021 14:58:29 1 5
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Shareholder!!! SHAREHOLDER!!!!!
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29/03/2021 14:54:38 28 1
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Seems entirely reasonable and science-based. Bit of a safe choice for comments?
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29/03/2021 14:56:29 8 0
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Incredibly safe. Strange, again.
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29/03/2021 15:37:07 0 0
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Nowhere near as strange as your comments
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29/03/2021 14:43:39 1 5
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A first dose certainly does not reduce transmission by 66%! I don't know where on earth you have got that idea from. The NHS Scotland serology test found that transmission appeared to reduce by 30% which means 70% of cases will still occur. The short and fast is that those in vulnerable categories will have risk of severe disease and hospitalisation reduced immeasurably from the vaccine.
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29/03/2021 14:57:00 3 1
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Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
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29/03/2021 14:59:20 2 1
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But obviously someone in the same household could also catch from somewhere else - either someone else who had not been vaccinated I the same household or just in a shop, a workplace or in someone else’s house so that is not the reduction in transmission.
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."

A tad too real for some deicate souls ?? ??
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29/03/2021 14:57:34 3 0
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What has this got to do with vaccines?
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29/03/2021 14:58:44 27 6
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Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
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29/03/2021 15:03:51 5 29
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? get a life - enough rightwing ignorami on here as is.
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29/03/2021 15:05:03 6 1
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Yeah Kier Starmer has gone very quiet
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29/03/2021 14:33:07 14 1
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I think difficult questions and concerns like this will be coming up increasingly more often over the next 6 months.
We've basically had an unlimited budget to spend on targeting Covid, whereas all other life saving treatments have been left behind.
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29/03/2021 14:56:12 2 7
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An unlimited budget that our children will be paying back for the rest of their working lives over something that is not the deadly threat to humanity it's been made out to be.
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29/03/2021 15:55:14 0 0
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And the millions of covid deaths that have occurred plus the one unreported and those still to occur don't constitute a deadly threat? Get real
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29/03/2021 14:57:00 3 1
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Yes it does. The data is from here: https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2021/covid-19-vaccine-astrazeneca-confirms-protection-against-severe-disease-hospitalisation-and-death-in-the-primary-analysis-of-phase-iii-trials.html
You are getting confused with that 30% figure - that was the the reduction in the chance of someone in the same household catching covid.
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29/03/2021 14:59:20 2 1
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But obviously someone in the same household could also catch from somewhere else - either someone else who had not been vaccinated I the same household or just in a shop, a workplace or in someone else’s house so that is not the reduction in transmission.
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29/03/2021 14:52:28 9 6
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I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
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29/03/2021 15:00:06 9 2
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Ask your GP, but I'm guessing the answer is - have the second jab. The immunity provided by the first and second vaccinations is being carefully monitored. Immunity from having COVID is an unknown quantity, particularly with the many variants in circulation.
Just my guess...
"The DUP was recently endorsed at the 2017 general election by the Loyalist Communities Council, an umbrella group of loyalist paramilitary groups, which are proscribed terrorist organisations."

A tad too real for some deicate souls ?? ??
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29/03/2021 15:00:18 0 0
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EH??
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29/03/2021 14:54:54 9 1
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I can smell shereholder :)
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29/03/2021 15:00:28 6 0
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I just had a sniff and I am certain its a troll.
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29/03/2021 14:54:54 9 1
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I can smell shereholder :)
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29/03/2021 14:58:29 1 5
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Shareholder!!! SHAREHOLDER!!!!!
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29/03/2021 15:33:27 0 0
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Worst song lyric ever
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29/03/2021 15:01:01 3 4
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They didn't even vaccinate the vulnerable member of our household without being constantly nagged by us! Consultant team and GP team miscommuications!
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29/03/2021 15:32:51 1 0
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You perfect then? Massive job and things do go wrong even in the best organisations. And you're probably not the only ones wanting vaccine.
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29/03/2021 15:01:05 2 3
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It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.

I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
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29/03/2021 15:03:09 0 2
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Words are so much cheaper than anything social costing money . .
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29/03/2021 15:05:37 1 3
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I wouldn't believe Boris and Hancock if they told me water was wet...
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29/03/2021 15:27:51 2 0
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Why weren't you vaccinated? Do you not have a phone?
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29/03/2021 15:01:24 9 3
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the remaining question is now is the longevity of the vaccine.

If short-lived then we are in fact no further forward at all.

Equally there are no other options, irrespective of outcome.

One thing that unites everybody across the world is that our days are ultimately numbered. Its just a case of what gets you and when. Not if.
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29/03/2021 15:26:45 4 0
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That's not a very logical statement when you look at what is happening in EU and other parts of the world with poor vaccine roll-out. Cases and deaths increasing without vaccine,ours decreasing. Prefer death to get me later rather than sooner. How about you? You keen on dying young? If the answer is yes then I hope you haven't sullied the gene pool
Absolutely. I can't believe they are vaccinating the world with a vaccine that had so little testing they don't know if it stops infection or just makes you a super spreader (asymptomatic), or know how long it lasts or what long term side effects there might be, and doesn't gives us back our freedom. Still we now have 30 million lab rats in the UK testing it, I'd rather take my chances with Covid! Removed
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29/03/2021 15:01:49 14 0
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Possibly this is the reaction to a small study from Leicester a couple of weeks ago that showed that the vaccine was less effective in people with some cancers and much less than that in people with blood cancers. It doesn't seem unreasonable to take notice of new information.
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29/03/2021 15:02:41 0 11
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what is the BBC saying the age group to be vaccinated will be push back for those vulnerable group, they should be done n dusted by now, it should be my turn next, been waiting for this day to happen, god know when is Christmas!! I'm waiting to go on holiday to the Moon.Virgin galactic here I come:)
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29/03/2021 14:27:56 23 1
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Don’t spout such rubbish.......
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29/03/2021 15:00:31 1 7
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He hasn't spouted rubbish..just wait til the scientists decide on another reason to throw Boris into a flat spin so he shuts everything down again, it'll be variant this,vaccine that, another variant,another vaccine...all justified by twisted logic(pubs are spreaders-shut em )...oh no,the virus is still spreading......
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29/03/2021 15:01:05 2 3
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It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.

I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
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29/03/2021 15:03:09 0 2
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Words are so much cheaper than anything social costing money . .
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 3 25
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The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!

We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
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29/03/2021 15:03:46 2 0
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Co-op funeral care top of your list then.
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29/03/2021 14:45:19 7 10
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
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29/03/2021 15:03:50 6 1
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This is utter nonsense! Vaccine priority is for those most at risk of serious illness!
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29/03/2021 14:58:44 27 6
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Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
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29/03/2021 15:03:51 5 29
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? get a life - enough rightwing ignorami on here as is.
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29/03/2021 15:35:43 5 0
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We're not trying to 'get a life', we're trying to hanging to the one we have. Did you take lessons in making ridiculous comments? English lessons might be a better investment
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 3 25
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The first people who should be vaccinated are those that will drive our economic recovery!!! Business leaders, entrepreneurs, financiers and managers!!!

We need them back in their offices doning what they do best!!! Creating wealth!!!
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29/03/2021 15:04:31 2 0
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Even the giants of industry need a healthy productive workforce or can they create wealth all on their own?
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29/03/2021 14:45:19 7 10
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
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29/03/2021 15:04:55 5 0
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I don’t personally know a single person who has tried to jump the queue so I believe your statement is a bit OTT.
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29/03/2021 14:45:19 7 10
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
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29/03/2021 15:04:57 6 0
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I shouldn't be in a priority group! (fairly happy about that to be honest, means I've less to worry about ) I'll get my jap in due course
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29/03/2021 15:03:00 14 0
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According to studies only about 27% of kidney transplant patients form antibodies to the first vaccine, and this figure is not improved by the second vaccine if it is 12 weeks apart. According the cancer study, these immune suppressed patients stand a high chance of being protected if the doses are 3-4 weeks apart. Wouldn't it be good idea all round to get this vulnerable group protected?
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29/03/2021 14:58:44 27 6
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Glad the government continues to listen to the advice of its vaccine committee, and not succumbing to pressure from unions or other groups.
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29/03/2021 15:05:03 6 1
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Yeah Kier Starmer has gone very quiet
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29/03/2021 14:52:49 3 11
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Open now.
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29/03/2021 15:05:37 3 1
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Don't be daft.
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29/03/2021 14:39:26 69 4
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Logical, feasible and achievable.

Seems to be an exercise in clear thinking unencumbered by political point scoring, and with another vaccine about to come on stream, I say go for it!!

The more deaths avoided, the quicker I/we get out freedoms back.
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29/03/2021 15:06:17 28 12
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Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.

Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
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29/03/2021 15:13:09 11 1
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Presumably they will ask for proof of your partners condition and that you share an address. Should be easy enough.
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29/03/2021 15:29:47 8 1
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1) The NHS has a registered address - maybe not the correct one - for everyone who is registered with a GP

2) the article does not mention support bubles - only living with.
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29/03/2021 15:21:53 11 0
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You are basing that on a few false assumptions and misunderstandings. Similar measures have already been implemented. Carers of vulnerable people for example. The suggestion is not that people start applying for the vaccine on the basis they share with an immunosuppressed person, rather that the care providers offer this on the basis that they are well aware of who these critical patients are
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29/03/2021 15:36:06 1 0
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It won't be down to any GP. Those unfortunate to be in that position will be under the continuing care of the hospital, to where they will go for all their needs. I'm sure the hospital can then refer partners for vaccination.
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29/03/2021 16:41:01 2 1
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Quite simple to check medical records to see who lives at the same address. Computers are excellent at doing that kind of thing with just a couple of keystrokes and a mouse click. In fact if I knew your address I could easily find who lives with you
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29/03/2021 14:45:19 7 10
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Everyone thinks they should be in a 'priority' group. You are no more deserving than myself and I am no more deserving than yourself. I've never seen such jealousy as what has emerged during this outbreak of COVID. Everyone thinks they are 'special'. It seem that if you are 'normal' you are now a minority group in the UK. It's so very sad.
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29/03/2021 15:06:27 2 1
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How long have you felt this way ? ?? ??
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29/03/2021 16:26:48 0 0
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Some politicians - wanted their list of special interest groups prioritised - millions of them - over JCVI priorities.

The majority of public sector not just teachers, not just public facing council staff etc - if they had listened to Sir Keir and his deputy / health secretary etc - about 6 weeks ago now.

Were led to believe they were all special cases.
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29/03/2021 15:07:50 18 6
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No thought for asthmatics as usual. Long term steroid use in preventer inhalers is linked to increased lung infections that are more antibiotic resistant. Government logic is there are no studies into long term preventer inhalers and COVID so it must be fine. Yes no higher death rate but much higher rate of long COVID and longer hospital stays. Employ scientists rather than a clown for a committee
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29/03/2021 15:23:58 10 3
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I'm asthmatic using a steroid inhaler and I have never had a chest infection, never taken anti-biotics of any sort in the last 40 years, and consider myself unlucky if I get one cold in 2 years. There has been no long term study on the side effects of the Covid vaccine either, but yet you want it. Anti-biotic resistance is because people take them like sweets and doctors don't say no.
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29/03/2021 16:05:22 2 0
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Scientists like those in the JCVI?
This is not Boris Johnson, Matt Hancock and Michael Gove making these decisions .
And they announced not that long ago that "If you have ever had an emergency hospital admission for your asthma, you will fall into priority group 6. So not 'no thought for asthmatics'. Unfortunately the GPs in many cases have interpreted "ever" as "recently"
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29/03/2021 14:44:13 1 1
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Well maybe someone reads the rubbish we contribute. It is possible that someone on here might actually comes up with a good idea.
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29/03/2021 15:08:14 0 2
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Ah, govt. policy, I see . . . .
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29/03/2021 14:42:48 8 19
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We've all suffered because the govt refused to believe we could be trusted not to interact with the vulnerable (or that for some reason not interacting wouldn't be effective)

And then at the last minute the most obvious measure to help protect the vulnerable is agreed to

Confused would be the most generous way to describe it all

Chaotic or capricious might be more accurate
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29/03/2021 15:09:08 4 1
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Perhaps you would be happier living in the much less chaotic EU?
Remember -

If you want decent Healthcare - do not vote conservative.
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29/03/2021 15:11:47 2 1
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also remember that 48% of the NHS budget is wages. So 1% = £500m.
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29/03/2021 15:13:03 3 2
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Would be worse with a labour government and captain hindsight. The NHS are doing their best!
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29/03/2021 15:21:30 2 0
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So you want to greatly increase your tax bill and decrease all measures to get economy on it's feet and end up with more families in poverty? Good idea, Einstein. Health care is very good,much better than in EU
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29/03/2021 15:23:13 1 1
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Healthcare seems to be doing pretty well under successive conservative governments. Any specific reason for your comment?
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29/03/2021 14:34:51 3 25
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But the vaccine hasn't been proven to reduce transmission by any significant amount, has it?
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29/03/2021 15:10:20 3 0
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Where ignorance is bliss.................
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29/03/2021 15:11:22 13 0
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Sounds a sensible idea.
Remember -

If you want decent Healthcare - do not vote conservative.
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29/03/2021 15:11:47 2 1
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also remember that 48% of the NHS budget is wages. So 1% = £500m.
Remember -

If you want decent Healthcare - do not vote conservative.
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29/03/2021 15:13:03 3 2
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Would be worse with a labour government and captain hindsight. The NHS are doing their best!
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29/03/2021 15:06:17 28 12
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Logical, Yes. But Feasible and Achievable, probably not.

Basing it on age (not least because old age was a high factor) is Feasible and Achievable because the NHS know how old you are. They also know other factors about you. But my doctors surgery don't know who I live with or who I've formed a support bubble with. It's just open to abuse and unfairness.
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29/03/2021 15:13:09 11 1
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Presumably they will ask for proof of your partners condition and that you share an address. Should be easy enough.
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By the time the document is created identifying all of your, and your partners, possible genders, they would've had their vaccination anyway.
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29/03/2021 14:54:41 1 11
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If the clinically vulnerable follow the pattern, a vaccine gives them about 2/3rd protection. The protection of the remaining 1/3rd is the key point. If they are no more at risk then it is not necessary. If they are, you could have to use 3 or 4 vaccines. Even then it is still not 100% as they will not be 100% protected. Not sure this adds up
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29/03/2021 15:05:05 2 0
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Only about 27% of immune suppressed people are protected, according to the first 2 studies that have come out.
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29/03/2021 14:52:28 9 6
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I had the vaccine and then before it could take full effect caught covid, albeit with no real symptoms.
So I have had the vaccine and Covid, I must be fully protected now, so do I need the booster jab ? Probably not.
If I knew this was the case,I would rather my jab was used on someone who really needs it.
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29/03/2021 15:16:24 3 0
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Of course you need the booster. Oh dear.
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29/03/2021 15:01:05 2 3
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It's all well and good making these decisions to put certain vulnerable folk ahead of the queue but only if it works.

I was in category 4 when Boris & Hancock were shouting from the rooftops that all in cat 4 had been vaccinated......but many were not including myself!
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29/03/2021 15:05:37 1 3
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I wouldn't believe Boris and Hancock if they told me water was wet...
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29/03/2021 15:07:20 0 5
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my support bubble includes a vulnerable person and I don't live with them but I see them regularly, surely people like me should also be included in this??
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29/03/2021 14:14:52 3 34
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the people who need to be vaccinated as a priority really should be those who are going to drive our economic recovery!!! That means you start with the wealth creators!!!!
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29/03/2021 15:16:40 1 1
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This shows such a lack of understanding of who this virus is dangerous for.

The majority of people, of working age, won't be affected by the virus. However they may spread it to those that will be, namely the elderly and frail.

So concentrating vaccinations on those 'wealth generators' is literally pointless, unless the majority of them are 95 years old.