Access to rural-broadband funding plagued by delays
29/03/2021 | news | technology | 139
Applications are stuck in limbo as the deadline for valuable broadband vouchers looms.
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29/03/2021 13:57:50 10 3
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Broadband speed can be a total lottery ! Even in certain towns it still remains dreadfully slow - maybe the government can get a refund on the failure that was track & trace & invest it in broadband instead. It is scandalous how one of the most critical infrastructures this country needs has been so sadly neglected
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29/03/2021 14:10:41 2 0
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Just be thankful you're not on dial-up, or hyperexpensive satellite "broadband" with huge latency issues.
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29/03/2021 14:58:00 2 2
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Maybe they aren't keen to waste money on physical fibre cabling when 5G is reputed to make it all redundant? The latter depends on every family upgrading their hardware to 5G compatibility, the former will cost service providers the earth in cable and works. Which do I think will happen? Tough one, that.
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29/03/2021 16:59:52 1 0
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Try 4G...
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30/03/2021 08:11:33 0 0
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It was test & trace and most of the money went on (and is still going on) the test part. It was the trace part (a small proportion) that wasn't very successful.
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29/03/2021 14:06:29 4 7
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"But the government says no areas "will miss out", because they will be covered by other broadband projects."

Nothing to see here. Just the BBC stirring up hatred. Move along.
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29/03/2021 14:08:46 2 1
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How long is the "will be covered by" though?
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29/03/2021 14:16:33 1 0
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I think its funny you believe that tory boy
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29/03/2021 14:07:37 3 2
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Interesting that some of the poorest broadband communities aren't on the "starting list". Makes you wonder what the new criteria are - low hanging fruit or political opportunities?
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29/03/2021 14:06:29 4 7
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"But the government says no areas "will miss out", because they will be covered by other broadband projects."

Nothing to see here. Just the BBC stirring up hatred. Move along.
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29/03/2021 14:08:46 2 1
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How long is the "will be covered by" though?
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29/03/2021 14:12:59 0 1
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Perhaps if you think negatively, everything will work out for you.
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29/03/2021 14:09:25 5 7
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Another fine mess you've got us in to, Bojo.

But really we should expect nothing else from the incompetent, corrupt bunch of clowns that are in charge of this once-great country.

Roll on the next election!
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29/03/2021 13:57:50 10 3
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Broadband speed can be a total lottery ! Even in certain towns it still remains dreadfully slow - maybe the government can get a refund on the failure that was track & trace & invest it in broadband instead. It is scandalous how one of the most critical infrastructures this country needs has been so sadly neglected
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29/03/2021 14:10:41 2 0
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Just be thankful you're not on dial-up, or hyperexpensive satellite "broadband" with huge latency issues.
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29/03/2021 14:08:46 2 1
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How long is the "will be covered by" though?
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29/03/2021 14:12:59 0 1
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Perhaps if you think negatively, everything will work out for you.
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29/03/2021 14:15:07 25 2
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Stop delaying, start paying!

It's time we got out of first gear and started getting this recovery and improvement up to speed.

We need a long termism attitude too, a bit more spent now will be far better for our budget long term, too often we just "fill the pothole" instead of resurfacing the small sections (for example).

We need to get past the pay cheap, pay twice fiasco that this country is.
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29/03/2021 14:21:49 18 1
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Agree, this country has a pennywise, pound foolish attitude regarding national and local government.
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29/03/2021 16:50:58 1 2
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Nothing stopping the local authorities ponying up the cash, heck if it was that popular with the residents they would have no problem incresing coucil tax to cover the cost. The fact they havent done this means it is either too expensive or not popular enough - neither reason means the rest of the UK tax payers should pay.
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29/03/2021 14:15:14 3 1
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Chumocracy opportunity here, Lord Cameron come on down
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29/03/2021 14:06:29 4 7
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"But the government says no areas "will miss out", because they will be covered by other broadband projects."

Nothing to see here. Just the BBC stirring up hatred. Move along.
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29/03/2021 14:16:33 1 0
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I think its funny you believe that tory boy
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29/03/2021 14:16:47 8 0
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And just how much does all this inept bureaucracy cost?
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29/03/2021 14:20:40 6 4
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See rather than an outdated £150Bn HS2 , spend money on our existing infrastructure...
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29/03/2021 14:15:07 25 2
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Stop delaying, start paying!

It's time we got out of first gear and started getting this recovery and improvement up to speed.

We need a long termism attitude too, a bit more spent now will be far better for our budget long term, too often we just "fill the pothole" instead of resurfacing the small sections (for example).

We need to get past the pay cheap, pay twice fiasco that this country is.
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29/03/2021 14:21:49 18 1
bbc
Agree, this country has a pennywise, pound foolish attitude regarding national and local government.
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29/03/2021 15:13:52 2 1
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Correct but the reason why is because of the need to maintain annual shareholder dividends
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29/03/2021 14:23:01 2 2
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Boris promised fully fibre broadband by 2025? Then decided to give money to Matt Hancock's neighbours instead.

Sad that Starlink which was set up by Elon Musk to cover the developing world, yet the UK's inability to invest means that satellite internet might be the least worst option.
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29/03/2021 14:36:00 2 1
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The UK's attempt at its own satellite constellation is laughable. It will survive so long as UK taxpayers contribute to it and not any longer. How will they compete with SpaceX? Launch costs? Technology? lol
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 0 0
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Starlink is fast but slows down as they add more subscribers.
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29/03/2021 14:24:54 9 4
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The vouchers will need to be for many £1,000.... with BT openreach’s over pricing and poor performance
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29/03/2021 16:59:19 0 1
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How can you not see the link with the high cost of country wide rollout and high prices - its basic economics, you cant do something expensive without raising prices. You want low prices and country wide service - where does this money come from? The only option is taxes, which means you will still be paying!
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29/03/2021 14:32:57 3 1
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Promising to cover all those who have missed out by including them in Project Gigabit seems bonkers and just a way of covering the Government's backside. The project is only now recruiting companies to install and won’t complete until the mid- late 2020s. And does anyone, other than businesses, need one gigabyte per second. Most mkmes would be happy with far, far less.
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29/03/2021 14:50:15 1 0
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Zebra Power is the answer. Call Mark.
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29/03/2021 16:55:25 0 0
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Nobody will ever need more than 640KB of memory - Bill Gates, 1981
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30/03/2021 08:08:48 0 0
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Many people WFH need fast connections to access the company storage at speeds comparable to being in the office. It's irritating to take 10 extra seconds to load and save a Word document on a slower connection; more annoying when it freezes what you are doing for a lengthy period, every 10 minutes, to autosave and tidy up the files; nigh on impossible for editing video files.
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29/03/2021 14:24:54 9 4
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The vouchers will need to be for many £1,000.... with BT openreach’s over pricing and poor performance
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29/03/2021 14:23:01 2 2
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Boris promised fully fibre broadband by 2025? Then decided to give money to Matt Hancock's neighbours instead.

Sad that Starlink which was set up by Elon Musk to cover the developing world, yet the UK's inability to invest means that satellite internet might be the least worst option.
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29/03/2021 14:36:00 2 1
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The UK's attempt at its own satellite constellation is laughable. It will survive so long as UK taxpayers contribute to it and not any longer. How will they compete with SpaceX? Launch costs? Technology? lol
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29/03/2021 14:07:37 3 2
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Interesting that some of the poorest broadband communities aren't on the "starting list". Makes you wonder what the new criteria are - low hanging fruit or political opportunities?
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29/03/2021 14:10:41 2 0
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Just be thankful you're not on dial-up, or hyperexpensive satellite "broadband" with huge latency issues.
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29/03/2021 14:47:13 1 1
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Rural broadband. Provoking a geyser, a volcanic eruption, an explosion of comments.

The BBC can sure pick 'em when it feels the need.

Twenty comments in forty minutes.
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29/03/2021 14:48:58 1 0
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This problem is true anywhere. Here, in Canada, the only breath of fresh air is Starlink but only available if you are rural. Well, it has a beta program which is full so we are still waiting. There is just no plans to improve things here.
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29/03/2021 14:32:57 3 1
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Promising to cover all those who have missed out by including them in Project Gigabit seems bonkers and just a way of covering the Government's backside. The project is only now recruiting companies to install and won’t complete until the mid- late 2020s. And does anyone, other than businesses, need one gigabyte per second. Most mkmes would be happy with far, far less.
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29/03/2021 14:50:15 1 0
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Zebra Power is the answer. Call Mark.
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29/03/2021 14:23:01 2 2
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Boris promised fully fibre broadband by 2025? Then decided to give money to Matt Hancock's neighbours instead.

Sad that Starlink which was set up by Elon Musk to cover the developing world, yet the UK's inability to invest means that satellite internet might be the least worst option.
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29/03/2021 14:51:11 0 0
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Starlink is fast but slows down as they add more subscribers.
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29/03/2021 14:54:50 2 1
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Why are the simple things in life so complicated. Our country is miles behind in home telecomunications, try relaxing some planning rules for this essential upgrade.
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29/03/2021 14:55:26 3 1
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Gbit broadband? In S London I do have Virgin Fibre but not that fast, and if I changed to ADSL it would be too poor to stream iPlayer (the reason I swapped to Virgin). Stop quoting Gbits and let's have an idea of what we will receive, not what will be pushed out and shared among us all.
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Bob
29/03/2021 15:13:18 4 0
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I have 900Mbps package with BT and I get 900. With FTTP you get what it says on the tin.
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29/03/2021 17:05:18 0 1
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The newer fibre will probably be Gbit, i.e. you, as a taxpayer, are paying for people in nice countryside locations to get much much faster broadband than you have. Hope you are happy with it...
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29/03/2021 13:57:50 10 3
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Broadband speed can be a total lottery ! Even in certain towns it still remains dreadfully slow - maybe the government can get a refund on the failure that was track & trace & invest it in broadband instead. It is scandalous how one of the most critical infrastructures this country needs has been so sadly neglected
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29/03/2021 14:58:00 2 2
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Maybe they aren't keen to waste money on physical fibre cabling when 5G is reputed to make it all redundant? The latter depends on every family upgrading their hardware to 5G compatibility, the former will cost service providers the earth in cable and works. Which do I think will happen? Tough one, that.
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29/03/2021 15:00:23 8 5
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Can you say Openreach on the BBC as I thought it was a rather insulting and derogatory swear word ?
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29/03/2021 15:20:17 2 4
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Openreach or BBC .... thought they both were about the same .... useless & overpriced
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29/03/2021 15:04:17 12 1
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I live in a small rural village. We got FTTP a couple of weeks ago. So fast. And not a BT/ Openreach van in sight. Private company did the work. And even their slowest speed (125Gb/s) is cheaper than what I was paying for the FTTC offering. No more landline rental either. Bliss.
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29/03/2021 17:01:04 5 0
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Nice, its almost like the solution is to lay cable. Someone pays but it doesnt have to be BT every time.
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30/03/2021 11:08:36 1 0
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Same here, but it was back in 2012 our village negotiated a deal with Gigaclear. Best thing they ever did.
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29/03/2021 15:07:13 9 0
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i`d be happy just to be able to get a mobile signal,,,
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29/03/2021 15:10:41 22 4
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Rural broadband is always going to be an issue unless it is subsidised. The basic economics are that with low population density it costs more. The vouchers were supposed to address this but it appears to be yet another government mess up rather than BT. People moan about BT being expensive but why don't VM compete to provide the rural service? Because they cannot make any money on it.
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tc
29/03/2021 15:24:43 14 3
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Vm don’t have a virtual national monopoly to be able to cross subsidise customers
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29/03/2021 14:55:26 3 1
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Gbit broadband? In S London I do have Virgin Fibre but not that fast, and if I changed to ADSL it would be too poor to stream iPlayer (the reason I swapped to Virgin). Stop quoting Gbits and let's have an idea of what we will receive, not what will be pushed out and shared among us all.
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Bob
29/03/2021 15:13:18 4 0
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I have 900Mbps package with BT and I get 900. With FTTP you get what it says on the tin.
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29/03/2021 15:13:25 2 7
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hapless BT-openreach pirareers.Seems Corbyn nationalisation was right. expropriate even better these fatcats,20yrs behind. socialist.net
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29/03/2021 14:21:49 18 1
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Agree, this country has a pennywise, pound foolish attitude regarding national and local government.
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29/03/2021 15:13:52 2 1
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Correct but the reason why is because of the need to maintain annual shareholder dividends
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29/03/2021 16:26:03 4 0
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No, the reason is because we're stuck in 5 year cycles and politicians think people are stupid (which is largely true) and need to constantly show quick results instead of getting started on long term plans that'll pay off 15 years down the line.

You might point out HS2 or Crossrail, but the reality is those projects should have happened 40 years ago, we're far far behind the likes of Japan.
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29/03/2021 15:17:56 14 4
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The year is 2121 - rural broadband discussions reach approval.

The UK is the worst modern economy with executing large infrastructure projects.
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29/03/2021 16:52:58 5 5
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Do you seriously think other countries have great broadband in rural areas? Its much easier to get 4G mobile coverage as there are less trenches to dig - and you know what, 4G is good enough for most things. Superfast broadband will roll out, it will just take longer if you expect the commercial companies to pay for it.
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29/03/2021 15:21:15 11 2
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If only Matt Hancock's pub landlord had a passing interest in broadband - we'd see funds flowing immediately.
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29/03/2021 15:21:56 18 1
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Same old story: Government funding scheme to change XYZ closed due to poor uptake because the application process is overly complex or the Govt is slow in actually giving agreed funding to the contractors, once the work has been signed-off.

It's easy to stand in Parliament or at your annual conference and promise change but the reality tends to be politicians don't deliver on their promises.
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29/03/2021 16:54:53 2 10
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Not everyone things people living in desireable rural locations should get free broadband... Maybe, just maybe, it shouldnt be easy for them to get free money?
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29/03/2021 15:12:02 2 1
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Drat. I was so looking forward to faster access to pornography and gambling sites!
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29/03/2021 15:23:55 15 2
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We have FTTC here and i'm currently paying BT/Openreach more per year (including for a phone line i don't use but cannot have BB without) than i pay to HEAT the house, plus the cost of roughly 1/2 a years worth of electricity.
BT/Openreach pricing is a complete rip off, but we have a small rural exchange and so "no room for competition"
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29/03/2021 16:54:03 4 0
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You are paying for the rollout of broadband across the country, quite literlly.
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29/03/2021 15:24:02 6 0
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"Access to rural-broadband funding plagued by delays"

That isn't a bug - it's a feature.
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29/03/2021 15:10:41 22 4
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Rural broadband is always going to be an issue unless it is subsidised. The basic economics are that with low population density it costs more. The vouchers were supposed to address this but it appears to be yet another government mess up rather than BT. People moan about BT being expensive but why don't VM compete to provide the rural service? Because they cannot make any money on it.
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tc
29/03/2021 15:24:43 14 3
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Vm don’t have a virtual national monopoly to be able to cross subsidise customers
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30/03/2021 09:08:16 0 0
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Cross subsidies are no allowed under ofcom rules. BT have to provide the service whereas other operators do not. As pigwig says no money in it for anyone else.
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29/03/2021 15:16:57 4 3
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Let's blame it on covid,, because everything else does????????
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You
29/03/2021 18:55:03 0 0
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Gibberish
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29/03/2021 15:00:23 8 5
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Can you say Openreach on the BBC as I thought it was a rather insulting and derogatory swear word ?
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29/03/2021 15:20:17 2 4
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Openreach or BBC .... thought they both were about the same .... useless & overpriced
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29/03/2021 17:01:56 1 1
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I dont mind paying openreach, at least they give me something I value enough to be happy to pay for :)
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29/03/2021 15:30:40 5 5
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It would be much cheaper and straightforward to expand the coverage of 4G / 5G on mobile networks. A good 4G signal gives 60mbs download, 50 upload, 23ish ping. No idea about 5G, but I guess much faster. Broadband will struggle to offer that.
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29/03/2021 15:32:23 4 0
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It would also give much needed improved mobile coverage across the whole UK
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30/03/2021 07:57:53 1 0
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Broadband is moving towards 1000 Mbps. The level at which is becomes possible to access your company's network storage, for large files, for live editing, as if you were sat in the office.
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29/03/2021 15:30:40 5 5
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It would be much cheaper and straightforward to expand the coverage of 4G / 5G on mobile networks. A good 4G signal gives 60mbs download, 50 upload, 23ish ping. No idea about 5G, but I guess much faster. Broadband will struggle to offer that.
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29/03/2021 15:32:23 4 0
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It would also give much needed improved mobile coverage across the whole UK
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29/03/2021 15:24:04 5 0
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A few years ago a small town in N Oxfordshire was used as a BT test FTTP role out. The cables remained largely unused for many houses. That was an example of how taxpayers money was squandered by BT instead of improving wider availability.
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30/03/2021 11:14:26 0 0
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I could be wrong, but I remember a story that a few years ago BT were given a large chunk of money to bring fast BB to Cornwall (?) and blew the lot on a new layer of management and consultants so there was nothing left for the actual BB cables and equipment.
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29/03/2021 15:34:43 5 1
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we left BT a few years ago after the FTTC proved to be so slow at c 0.25MBPS due to our distance to the street cabinet and went with a line of site provider using wireless broadband and so had a dish on our chimney. However at the end of 2020 BT were offering FTTP to our village which has less than 40 properties which has speeds of up to 900mbps. So there appears to be some improvements
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29/03/2021 17:03:45 3 0
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Glad things are looking up for you, just a minor thing - mbps and Mbps mean very very diferent things.
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29/03/2021 15:35:41 29 4
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Stop HS2 and spend it on broadband,
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30/03/2021 17:30:17 1 0
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Why?
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29/03/2021 15:37:47 3 9
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Whilst super fast broadband is a nice to have, it is not a life critical commodity.

There are homes without mains electricity, gas and water. Harsh fact of life is that to deliver the infrastructure for utilities demands a very high cost in some isolated areas. This "someone else must pay" attitude has to stop.

If all locals stumped up it would be affordable
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29/03/2021 16:01:22 7 0
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Its the same as postage and phone lines, some are next door and cheap to install or post but some are a long way off and you lose money. It evens out in the end. If you want a contract with the gov to supply post, phone or broadband you have to supply it to all, and get your sums right.
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30/03/2021 07:55:01 0 0
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In the countryside, it is perfectly possible to generate and store a limited amount of electricity, have a well and use wood, a tank of gas or a tank of oil. It is impossible to access many government services, difficult to access companies, banks and much else, without decent broadband. Broadband is actually the most critical, as all the others can be provided in other ways.
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ljs
29/03/2021 15:45:34 35 7
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USELESS, UTTERLY USELESS

This is what happens when you elect a bunch of

TECHNOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE MORONS to westminster

Failed lawyers
Failed teachers
Failed accountants
Failed economists

The UK DECADES behind yet again
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29/03/2021 16:56:05 10 16
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Thatcher blocked BT rolling out fiber to the entire country decades ago - you could blame her, wait, no, she's dead. Easier to blindly blame whoever is currently in charge.
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29/03/2021 18:25:19 6 3
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The UK is a Kakistocracy.

The least qualified individuals are the ones who are in power.

Isn't it funny that they also all happen to be Brexiteers?

Correlation doesn't always imply causation. But it certainly does in this case.
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30/03/2021 08:37:31 5 0
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Its just another headline grabbing initiative that has no chance of being fulfilled.
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29/03/2021 15:37:47 3 9
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Whilst super fast broadband is a nice to have, it is not a life critical commodity.

There are homes without mains electricity, gas and water. Harsh fact of life is that to deliver the infrastructure for utilities demands a very high cost in some isolated areas. This "someone else must pay" attitude has to stop.

If all locals stumped up it would be affordable
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29/03/2021 16:01:22 7 0
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Its the same as postage and phone lines, some are next door and cheap to install or post but some are a long way off and you lose money. It evens out in the end. If you want a contract with the gov to supply post, phone or broadband you have to supply it to all, and get your sums right.
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29/03/2021 16:04:31 7 1
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WithoutWorries
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"The year is 2121"

I think you meant 2021.... And still the only option available is digging miles of trenches to bury cables to reach isolated places for a very few people at the expense of everyone else.

Localities have clubbed together to either dig the ditches or pay someone to do it...
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30/03/2021 03:55:24 0 0
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It's not 2021 to you though is it? In 2021 HYs has a little thing called the reply button in which you can respond to posts directly as I've demonstrated here.
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29/03/2021 15:53:05 15 0
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Yet again, rural areas suffer slow-speed porn.
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You
29/03/2021 18:53:34 2 0
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Its a very real problem
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29/03/2021 15:13:52 2 1
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Correct but the reason why is because of the need to maintain annual shareholder dividends
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29/03/2021 16:26:03 4 0
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No, the reason is because we're stuck in 5 year cycles and politicians think people are stupid (which is largely true) and need to constantly show quick results instead of getting started on long term plans that'll pay off 15 years down the line.

You might point out HS2 or Crossrail, but the reality is those projects should have happened 40 years ago, we're far far behind the likes of Japan.
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30/03/2021 11:00:11 1 0
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Yes 40 years ago they might have made sense, but now, not so much. The money being wasted on HS2 could provide universal "world beating" FTTP 2 or 3 times over and then there wouldn't be any need to chop 12 minutes off the journey to Birmingham. That vital face to face meeting could be done by teleconferencing. Furthermore, the rise of WFH only reinforces this change.
I do not want my hard earned taxes subsidising the lovely rich people in the village. They can pay themselves. I want my taxes to help the homeless and poor people who need foodbanks, because I maybe one of them one day. While I am having a little rant send all migrants and assylum seekers home. I am sick of seeing thousands of young yes youg lazy sods looking for an easy life. GO HOME Removed
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29/03/2021 16:53:44 3 5
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Lazy asylum seekers who have probably walked a 1000 miles from bloodshed and persecution... migrants who come here for a better life for their families and who work hard starting companies employing natives.... SEND YOU THERE - they're welcome here.
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29/03/2021 16:47:03 3 8
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Reading this its almost like people dont realise how much it costs to dig up roads and lay cable - its freakin expensive! The idea that people who live in cramped cities should subsidise the cost for those living in more desirable rural locations is insulting. Should we help each other, sure, but this "do it now whatever the cost" is not acceptable - spread it over the next few decades.
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29/03/2021 14:15:07 25 2
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Stop delaying, start paying!

It's time we got out of first gear and started getting this recovery and improvement up to speed.

We need a long termism attitude too, a bit more spent now will be far better for our budget long term, too often we just "fill the pothole" instead of resurfacing the small sections (for example).

We need to get past the pay cheap, pay twice fiasco that this country is.
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29/03/2021 16:50:58 1 2
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Nothing stopping the local authorities ponying up the cash, heck if it was that popular with the residents they would have no problem incresing coucil tax to cover the cost. The fact they havent done this means it is either too expensive or not popular enough - neither reason means the rest of the UK tax payers should pay.
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29/03/2021 17:12:56 3 0
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What are you on about? It's all the same system in the same country run by the same two parties all over the place with the same policies and the same election cycles with the same government grants and the same council tax bands etc.

Of course it's not "popular", you're not ever given the choice, because the two parties have a system of pointing fingers at each other so you never look elsewhere!
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29/03/2021 15:17:56 14 4
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The year is 2121 - rural broadband discussions reach approval.

The UK is the worst modern economy with executing large infrastructure projects.
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29/03/2021 16:52:58 5 5
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Do you seriously think other countries have great broadband in rural areas? Its much easier to get 4G mobile coverage as there are less trenches to dig - and you know what, 4G is good enough for most things. Superfast broadband will roll out, it will just take longer if you expect the commercial companies to pay for it.
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29/03/2021 19:00:55 3 0
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I live in Bavaria, not far from the Austrian border, in the sticks proper. I can download an entire Netflix 4K movie under 5 minutes. Go figure.
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30/03/2021 10:05:23 3 0
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"Do you seriously think other countries have great broadband in rural areas?" Yes. Lots.
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30/03/2021 15:39:13 0 0
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I live in South Devon. There is no mobile signal at my house. No, I didn't buy the house knowing that, I bought it before mobile phones were invented. Rural areas are used to being left behind, but we need decent broadband just to live our lives these days. I would happily conduct my affairs via snailmail or telephone, but those options simply don't exist any longer for many things.
I do not want my hard earned taxes subsidising the lovely rich people in the village. They can pay themselves. I want my taxes to help the homeless and poor people who need foodbanks, because I maybe one of them one day. While I am having a little rant send all migrants and assylum seekers home. I am sick of seeing thousands of young yes youg lazy sods looking for an easy life. GO HOME Removed
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29/03/2021 16:53:44 3 5
bbc
Lazy asylum seekers who have probably walked a 1000 miles from bloodshed and persecution... migrants who come here for a better life for their families and who work hard starting companies employing natives.... SEND YOU THERE - they're welcome here.
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29/03/2021 15:23:55 15 2
bbc
We have FTTC here and i'm currently paying BT/Openreach more per year (including for a phone line i don't use but cannot have BB without) than i pay to HEAT the house, plus the cost of roughly 1/2 a years worth of electricity.
BT/Openreach pricing is a complete rip off, but we have a small rural exchange and so "no room for competition"
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29/03/2021 16:54:03 4 0
bbc
You are paying for the rollout of broadband across the country, quite literlly.
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29/03/2021 15:21:56 18 1
bbc
Same old story: Government funding scheme to change XYZ closed due to poor uptake because the application process is overly complex or the Govt is slow in actually giving agreed funding to the contractors, once the work has been signed-off.

It's easy to stand in Parliament or at your annual conference and promise change but the reality tends to be politicians don't deliver on their promises.
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29/03/2021 16:54:53 2 10
bbc
Not everyone things people living in desireable rural locations should get free broadband... Maybe, just maybe, it shouldnt be easy for them to get free money?
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30/03/2021 08:01:25 5 0
bbc
They are not looking for free broadband, they just want the same cost to them as everyone else. As more and more companies move online, council and government services are provided online and people work from home, broadband is no longer a nice to have, but an essential. People can get around not having mains electricity, gas and water, but not around not being able to access the internet.
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29/03/2021 14:32:57 3 1
bbc
Promising to cover all those who have missed out by including them in Project Gigabit seems bonkers and just a way of covering the Government's backside. The project is only now recruiting companies to install and won’t complete until the mid- late 2020s. And does anyone, other than businesses, need one gigabyte per second. Most mkmes would be happy with far, far less.
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29/03/2021 16:55:25 0 0
bbc
Nobody will ever need more than 640KB of memory - Bill Gates, 1981
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ljs
29/03/2021 15:45:34 35 7
bbc
USELESS, UTTERLY USELESS

This is what happens when you elect a bunch of

TECHNOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE MORONS to westminster

Failed lawyers
Failed teachers
Failed accountants
Failed economists

The UK DECADES behind yet again
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29/03/2021 16:56:05 10 16
bbc
Thatcher blocked BT rolling out fiber to the entire country decades ago - you could blame her, wait, no, she's dead. Easier to blindly blame whoever is currently in charge.
83
29/03/2021 18:28:59 5 3
bbc
Thatcher closed the Mines so that saved Tony blair doing to mmet Climate change She was obviously a good ECO warrior
90
29/03/2021 21:52:14 4 6
bbc
So 1 tory PM does something awful, but this Tory PM should be let off because it wasn't him?

Nah, hold them to account - tories are evil.
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30/03/2021 10:53:07 4 0
bbc
As I've mentioned here before, my advice to a member of MT's scientific think tank some 40 years ago was FTTP. It could have been done even then and put us years ahead instead of behind. But I don't think it was all her fault, BT had a vested interest in tons of copper buried in the ground which would have been rendered obsolete by fibre. They dragged their heels as well and still are.
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30/03/2021 21:59:07 0 0
bbc
Move to mainland Europe and pay €80 for 10mb broadband. The uk Infrastructure is quite good. However, some of the Eastern European countries have benefited from EU grants and installed 100MB broadband, but its considerably more expensive than the UK.
Has Dildo Harding been involved in this too?

Given her extensive knowledge of all things digital (Talk Talk) I'm sure she'd be happy to take up a shovel
Removed
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29/03/2021 14:24:54 9 4
bbc
The vouchers will need to be for many £1,000.... with BT openreach’s over pricing and poor performance
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29/03/2021 16:59:19 0 1
bbc
How can you not see the link with the high cost of country wide rollout and high prices - its basic economics, you cant do something expensive without raising prices. You want low prices and country wide service - where does this money come from? The only option is taxes, which means you will still be paying!
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30/03/2021 11:33:07 1 0
bbc
They didn't seem to have any problem with the ever increasing cost of HS2.
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29/03/2021 13:57:50 10 3
bbc
Broadband speed can be a total lottery ! Even in certain towns it still remains dreadfully slow - maybe the government can get a refund on the failure that was track & trace & invest it in broadband instead. It is scandalous how one of the most critical infrastructures this country needs has been so sadly neglected
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29/03/2021 16:59:52 1 0
bbc
Try 4G...
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29/03/2021 15:04:17 12 1
bbc
I live in a small rural village. We got FTTP a couple of weeks ago. So fast. And not a BT/ Openreach van in sight. Private company did the work. And even their slowest speed (125Gb/s) is cheaper than what I was paying for the FTTC offering. No more landline rental either. Bliss.
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29/03/2021 17:01:04 5 0
bbc
Nice, its almost like the solution is to lay cable. Someone pays but it doesnt have to be BT every time.
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30/03/2021 10:05:56 0 0
bbc
Trouble is, it's not just about cables.

There's a massive infrastructure of exchanges, international connectivity etc.

Laying a cable in a trench is the easy bit
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29/03/2021 15:20:17 2 4
bbc
Openreach or BBC .... thought they both were about the same .... useless & overpriced
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29/03/2021 17:01:56 1 1
bbc
I dont mind paying openreach, at least they give me something I value enough to be happy to pay for :)
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29/03/2021 15:34:43 5 1
bbc
we left BT a few years ago after the FTTC proved to be so slow at c 0.25MBPS due to our distance to the street cabinet and went with a line of site provider using wireless broadband and so had a dish on our chimney. However at the end of 2020 BT were offering FTTP to our village which has less than 40 properties which has speeds of up to 900mbps. So there appears to be some improvements
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29/03/2021 17:03:45 3 0
bbc
Glad things are looking up for you, just a minor thing - mbps and Mbps mean very very diferent things.
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29/03/2021 14:55:26 3 1
bbc
Gbit broadband? In S London I do have Virgin Fibre but not that fast, and if I changed to ADSL it would be too poor to stream iPlayer (the reason I swapped to Virgin). Stop quoting Gbits and let's have an idea of what we will receive, not what will be pushed out and shared among us all.
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29/03/2021 17:05:18 0 1
bbc
The newer fibre will probably be Gbit, i.e. you, as a taxpayer, are paying for people in nice countryside locations to get much much faster broadband than you have. Hope you are happy with it...
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29/03/2021 16:50:58 1 2
bbc
Nothing stopping the local authorities ponying up the cash, heck if it was that popular with the residents they would have no problem incresing coucil tax to cover the cost. The fact they havent done this means it is either too expensive or not popular enough - neither reason means the rest of the UK tax payers should pay.
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29/03/2021 17:12:56 3 0
bbc
What are you on about? It's all the same system in the same country run by the same two parties all over the place with the same policies and the same election cycles with the same government grants and the same council tax bands etc.

Of course it's not "popular", you're not ever given the choice, because the two parties have a system of pointing fingers at each other so you never look elsewhere!
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29/03/2021 17:29:00 1 5
bbc
Thats because 5G will negate all this pampering to Openreach.
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You
29/03/2021 17:40:36 2 4
bbc
No, it won't.
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29/03/2021 18:26:50 2 0
bbc
Cant get good 3G or 4G so not holding my breath
73
29/03/2021 17:29:00 1 5
bbc
Thats because 5G will negate all this pampering to Openreach.
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You
29/03/2021 17:40:36 2 4
bbc
No, it won't.
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29/03/2021 18:07:10 3 5
bbc
Remarkable. This story has dropped dead at one comment every two minutes. A straw poll which indicates that BBC consumers couldn't give a monkey's about rural broad band. If it weren't for the licence fee this journalist might have to go out and work for a living.
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tim
29/03/2021 18:12:55 2 2
bbc
Scotland has r100 scheme garenteeing 100% coverage, but, they don't have a provider for our area, and Openreach have doubled their quote for fttp twice over 3years. I've waited 4 months for them not getting back to me with a quote based on their original one, 4times cheaper than the most recent one. They are just waiting until the voucher schemes run out. For a manopoly they are so dishonest.
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29/03/2021 18:14:27 14 6
bbc
Government, not interested in the people. Broadband for all, is low down their priorities as their mates don't get as rich out of it. Not like HS2! On building houses over green fields. That gets 'Ever Given' volumes of funding without limits or awkward hoops to jump through.
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29/03/2021 18:14:59 1 1
bbc
I'll believe it when I see it come to my house!
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tim
29/03/2021 18:19:47 5 3
bbc
fttp can be provided overhead using existing phone poles. There's no need to dig up roads for the last stretch of many properties. There is no excuse for the blatent profiteering of Openreach who are unwilling to update their own networks without handouts from the gov. despite the fact that they are due to update them anyway. They are deliberately going slow, so that they can keep milking the gov.
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30/03/2021 06:27:00 1 0
bbc
In fact this is how I received fttp to my last property in rural Dumfries & Galloway. Worked a treat.
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29/03/2021 18:22:11 1 2
bbc
if people think that they have problems with broadband performance,the proposed walk out by BT,OPENREACH and EE will really add another dimension to their woes.
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ljs
29/03/2021 15:45:34 35 7
bbc
USELESS, UTTERLY USELESS

This is what happens when you elect a bunch of

TECHNOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE MORONS to westminster

Failed lawyers
Failed teachers
Failed accountants
Failed economists

The UK DECADES behind yet again
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29/03/2021 18:25:19 6 3
bbc
The UK is a Kakistocracy.

The least qualified individuals are the ones who are in power.

Isn't it funny that they also all happen to be Brexiteers?

Correlation doesn't always imply causation. But it certainly does in this case.
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29/03/2021 17:29:00 1 5
bbc
Thats because 5G will negate all this pampering to Openreach.
82
29/03/2021 18:26:50 2 0
bbc
Cant get good 3G or 4G so not holding my breath
64
29/03/2021 16:56:05 10 16
bbc
Thatcher blocked BT rolling out fiber to the entire country decades ago - you could blame her, wait, no, she's dead. Easier to blindly blame whoever is currently in charge.
83
29/03/2021 18:28:59 5 3
bbc
Thatcher closed the Mines so that saved Tony blair doing to mmet Climate change She was obviously a good ECO warrior
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tim
29/03/2021 18:31:48 6 3
bbc
Openreach is averaging well over £1billion profit each year. That is after all they spend on "network improvement" and maintenance. I wonder why they need money from the government. it seems like they are doing quite well. They made more than 6 grand in the time it took me to write this. They seem more focused on profit than service which is why they are lethargic for "uneconomic" areas.
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30/03/2021 11:39:12 2 0
bbc
Yup, Openreach / BT (same meat, different gravy) have a massive legacy of copper buried in the ground which you have long since been paid for many times over. So it's highly profitable, particularly when they insist you rent a line you don't need for BB. Hence they have no incentive to make it obsolete by installing fibre.
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29/03/2021 15:53:05 15 0
bbc
Yet again, rural areas suffer slow-speed porn.
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You
29/03/2021 18:53:34 2 0
bbc
Its a very real problem
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30/03/2021 11:50:00 2 0
bbc
I find buffering is the worst thing.....it can ruin the best three minutes of the day.
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30/03/2021 17:29:43 0 0
bbc
No it isn’t.
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29/03/2021 15:16:57 4 3
bbc
Let's blame it on covid,, because everything else does????????
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You
29/03/2021 18:55:03 0 0
bbc
Gibberish
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29/03/2021 16:52:58 5 5
bbc
Do you seriously think other countries have great broadband in rural areas? Its much easier to get 4G mobile coverage as there are less trenches to dig - and you know what, 4G is good enough for most things. Superfast broadband will roll out, it will just take longer if you expect the commercial companies to pay for it.
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29/03/2021 19:00:55 3 0
bbc
I live in Bavaria, not far from the Austrian border, in the sticks proper. I can download an entire Netflix 4K movie under 5 minutes. Go figure.
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29/03/2021 19:57:43 0 2
bbc
B4RN is in Cumbria too, vouchers, shares, self help to get fibre to your door and get rid of BT who just seemed to cost a fortune and tell lies, and then an internet phone, reliable roll out
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ian
29/03/2021 20:45:55 0 1
bbc
That’s government cut covid savings look forward to more in future
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29/03/2021 16:56:05 10 16
bbc
Thatcher blocked BT rolling out fiber to the entire country decades ago - you could blame her, wait, no, she's dead. Easier to blindly blame whoever is currently in charge.
90
29/03/2021 21:52:14 4 6
bbc
So 1 tory PM does something awful, but this Tory PM should be let off because it wasn't him?

Nah, hold them to account - tories are evil.
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30/03/2021 15:48:43 2 0
bbc
There is a diference between holding someone to account and holding a grudge. Blair wasnt perfect, Corbyn was a disaster, I guess you just dont vote because nobody is as perfect as you? I am not a fan of Boris, but he isnt responsible for poll tax, closing the mines or blocking BT rolling out country wide fibre, even if you clip your heals three times and say "theres no place like home".
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29/03/2021 16:04:31 7 1
bbc
WithoutWorries
16:17
"The year is 2121"

I think you meant 2021.... And still the only option available is digging miles of trenches to bury cables to reach isolated places for a very few people at the expense of everyone else.

Localities have clubbed together to either dig the ditches or pay someone to do it...
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30/03/2021 03:55:24 0 0
bbc
It's not 2021 to you though is it? In 2021 HYs has a little thing called the reply button in which you can respond to posts directly as I've demonstrated here.
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tim
29/03/2021 18:19:47 5 3
bbc
fttp can be provided overhead using existing phone poles. There's no need to dig up roads for the last stretch of many properties. There is no excuse for the blatent profiteering of Openreach who are unwilling to update their own networks without handouts from the gov. despite the fact that they are due to update them anyway. They are deliberately going slow, so that they can keep milking the gov.
92
30/03/2021 06:27:00 1 0
bbc
In fact this is how I received fttp to my last property in rural Dumfries & Galloway. Worked a treat.
93
30/03/2021 07:35:57 0 3
bbc
Don't need to broad ban round ere! ge off moi land! Rrrr!
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29/03/2021 15:37:47 3 9
bbc
Whilst super fast broadband is a nice to have, it is not a life critical commodity.

There are homes without mains electricity, gas and water. Harsh fact of life is that to deliver the infrastructure for utilities demands a very high cost in some isolated areas. This "someone else must pay" attitude has to stop.

If all locals stumped up it would be affordable
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30/03/2021 07:55:01 0 0
bbc
In the countryside, it is perfectly possible to generate and store a limited amount of electricity, have a well and use wood, a tank of gas or a tank of oil. It is impossible to access many government services, difficult to access companies, banks and much else, without decent broadband. Broadband is actually the most critical, as all the others can be provided in other ways.
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29/03/2021 15:30:40 5 5
bbc
It would be much cheaper and straightforward to expand the coverage of 4G / 5G on mobile networks. A good 4G signal gives 60mbs download, 50 upload, 23ish ping. No idea about 5G, but I guess much faster. Broadband will struggle to offer that.
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30/03/2021 07:57:53 1 0
bbc
Broadband is moving towards 1000 Mbps. The level at which is becomes possible to access your company's network storage, for large files, for live editing, as if you were sat in the office.
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29/03/2021 16:54:53 2 10
bbc
Not everyone things people living in desireable rural locations should get free broadband... Maybe, just maybe, it shouldnt be easy for them to get free money?
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30/03/2021 08:01:25 5 0
bbc
They are not looking for free broadband, they just want the same cost to them as everyone else. As more and more companies move online, council and government services are provided online and people work from home, broadband is no longer a nice to have, but an essential. People can get around not having mains electricity, gas and water, but not around not being able to access the internet.
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ad
30/03/2021 09:14:09 1 4
bbc
If you live 15 miles from a town you do not pay the same amount to travel to it as some 1 mile away so why should the cost to provide BB to rural areas be the same someone in a town.
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30/03/2021 15:35:48 0 0
bbc
There is no reason why everything should cost the same in the countryside as in a city. The reason cities exist is essentialy due to the economies of scale that come from a higher population density and people in the city are expected to pay for their broadband - why should people in the country not do the same? Basic access would be 4G not super fast fibre.
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30/03/2021 08:05:46 0 0
bbc
Elon, bring the Starlink. Make these companies absolute. I guess the same thing will happen what Amazon done to the high street.
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30/03/2021 08:47:40 0 0
bbc
obsolete
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29/03/2021 14:32:57 3 1
bbc
Promising to cover all those who have missed out by including them in Project Gigabit seems bonkers and just a way of covering the Government's backside. The project is only now recruiting companies to install and won’t complete until the mid- late 2020s. And does anyone, other than businesses, need one gigabyte per second. Most mkmes would be happy with far, far less.
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30/03/2021 08:08:48 0 0
bbc
Many people WFH need fast connections to access the company storage at speeds comparable to being in the office. It's irritating to take 10 extra seconds to load and save a Word document on a slower connection; more annoying when it freezes what you are doing for a lengthy period, every 10 minutes, to autosave and tidy up the files; nigh on impossible for editing video files.
1
29/03/2021 13:57:50 10 3
bbc
Broadband speed can be a total lottery ! Even in certain towns it still remains dreadfully slow - maybe the government can get a refund on the failure that was track & trace & invest it in broadband instead. It is scandalous how one of the most critical infrastructures this country needs has been so sadly neglected
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30/03/2021 08:11:33 0 0
bbc
It was test & trace and most of the money went on (and is still going on) the test part. It was the trace part (a small proportion) that wasn't very successful.
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ljs
29/03/2021 15:45:34 35 7
bbc
USELESS, UTTERLY USELESS

This is what happens when you elect a bunch of

TECHNOLOGICALLY ILLITERATE MORONS to westminster

Failed lawyers
Failed teachers
Failed accountants
Failed economists

The UK DECADES behind yet again
100
30/03/2021 08:37:31 5 0
bbc
Its just another headline grabbing initiative that has no chance of being fulfilled.