Covid jab: One dose in care homes gives 'substantial' protection
29/03/2021 | news | health | 1,299
A study suggests 62% of residents are protected by a single dose of the vaccines used in the UK.
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29/03/2021 09:51:32 5 11
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1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. That is very high compared to the general population where less than 0.5% are positive.

The 62% figure suggests that 965 caught it before their jab compared to 370 people after, but how much of that improvement was due to the lockdown?

Give them their second jab now.
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29/03/2021 09:59:55 1 2
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One clearly needs to see the original paper to make a proper judgement, but your figure of 12.8% (over three months) cannot be compared to the 0.5% value (which is a point estimate).
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29/03/2021 10:00:32 1 2
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There were 1,335 positives, from 36,352 tests carried out on 10,412 people. The 12.8% number would only be correct if we knew a positive person was only tested once, and that's highly unlikely. As 20% was the estimated figure for potivite tests in residents last spring, even your dramatic over estimate of 12.8% would be an improvement.

Also, no one is suggesting second doses are delayed.
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29/03/2021 10:01:15 2 1
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the figure in the general population has been higher than 0.5% and the figure you are referring to is people infected at one time, as opposed to over the 3 months of the study

Advancing second jabs for one group, must accompany a delay in first jab for another group.

As there is increasing evidence that jabs reduce transmission, more first jabs may also help the older people avoid covid
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29/03/2021 09:51:47 5 9
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Excellent news, lets hope they keep it up because at the current rate we will only have the entire population vaccinated by the end of the year (3 months for <1/2 the population to receive half of their dose)
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29/03/2021 09:55:56 6 5
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Stop trying to be negative on a good news story...
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29/03/2021 10:24:11 0 2
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You don’t need to have had both doses to be vaccinated. The second is a booster dose which mainly increased the duration of protection and has a small additional effect on efficacy but the definition of vaccination is not to receive two doses of a vaccine.
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29/03/2021 09:52:30 96 6
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Good news, the more data we get supporting effective vaccines, the more confidence we can have reopening in the knowledge any rise in infections should not cause concern.
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29/03/2021 10:02:52 32 134
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62% protected is not really good news. 92% would be good.
29/03/2021 15:29:23 0 2
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Any rise in infections is concerning!

Covid-19 causes serious illness, long term and permanent illness and complications in people of all ages.

Not everyone can be vaccinated. Those who can not be will remain vulnerable.

Only half the population has received half the vaccine doses needed (excluding variant boosters) - We are a very long way from a return to normal.
Maybe next summer...
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29/03/2021 09:52:46 174 70
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So clearly the vaccine works.

If this is the case could all those who are panic stricken about returning to normality, give it a rest.
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29/03/2021 10:00:24 146 106
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I dont think those of us who urge caution are "panic stricken" nor don't want a return to normality. Obviously we do, but to continuously push to open up before we are ready is what has led to previous spikes in cases.... or have you just forgotten what happened at christmas or with the eat out to help out scheme?
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29/03/2021 10:00:26 18 28
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1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. The rate for the general population is less than 0.5%.

One jab gives just 62% protection. That means millions are unprotected. Give them their second jabs now.
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29/03/2021 10:09:20 36 30
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... too many of the public are panic stricken by continuous covid news. The Government has done a brilliant of installing fear and most of it is unnecessary and frankly made up. It's sunny outside go out, it's safe out there!
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29/03/2021 10:10:25 17 15
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A combination of vaccine, hand washing, mask wearing and distancing is the only way to going about our normal lives.
Let’s all do what’s right and enjoy more enriched lives.
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xlr
29/03/2021 10:30:47 0 5
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It works but not quite well enough.
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29/03/2021 10:29:26 3 14
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"So clearly the vaccine works" and you make that assumption on what, the information you are being told? Have you seen the data for adverse effects or have any clue of the long term effects? No thought not. Just because someone has genuine concerns doesn't make them an anti- vaxer.
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29/03/2021 10:33:15 6 3
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Why does no one talk of prior immunity in the population? Too many respectable professional people in the medical field being censored that alone should have people questioning. Science is debating and exchanging ideas, never before have so many been taken out of the equation.
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mc
29/03/2021 10:40:13 0 0
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or just a con
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29/03/2021 10:45:04 1 2
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Some very ill people with this Oxford jab for a few days. Another disbeliever had her jab yesterday, very chirpy even doing the lawn after. Text me earlier, "wont be in today, headache & sweats , going back bed"
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29/03/2021 11:11:18 1 4
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Brisbane in lockdown with 5 cases. That is the way it should have been done in the uk from the start.
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29/03/2021 11:16:38 6 0
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I doubt they will give it a rest. We have created a lockdown dependency culture that will be hard to shift.
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29/03/2021 11:26:38 0 3
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"so the vaccine clearly works"
All good new and shows that we are on the right track. What people need to remember is that at the moment there are still many in the lower age ranges who are not yet vaccinated. That is why the restrictions are being eased slowly. Just flicking a switch from nothing to everything now would be counter productive.
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jon
29/03/2021 09:53:16 185 9
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Good news. In fact the WHO has backed the British approach to give a first dose to as many as possible followed by a 12 week gap before the second dose.
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29/03/2021 10:16:31 92 133
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Great news. Good on Tony Blair for first championing this move and good on the government for following it as opposed to playing politics.
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29/03/2021 11:44:34 1 4
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So why the very very slow exit from lockdown with so many caveats?
The new police state will inevitably not relinquish its powers without a fight. Power always goes to peoples’ heads. Always.
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29/03/2021 09:53:19 4 13
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Great news....

I wonder if we had been this far ahead had Mrs Thatcher or Corbyn been in power?
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29/03/2021 09:53:28 7 9
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It's almost as if any dose is better than no dose - again, puts some European's leaders reasoning into perspective.
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29/03/2021 09:58:47 4 3
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If only some selfish country didn't sign the contract late but still demanded preferential treatment and stripping fellow Europeans from ability to be vaccinated.
Last year we set out to avoid the creaking NHS collapsing under the strain.

Even more proof now that the 'death pool' has been made safe from hospitalisation, so no more excuses for a full and immediate opening of society.
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29/03/2021 10:08:58 0 0
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Great plan, give the over 50s the jab and then see if you can infect them before the immune response kicks in to pack the hospitals again
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29/03/2021 09:55:07 10 11
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More and more data suggesting that we should be reversing the message now. If you’re still in a heightened state of concern about falling seriously ill or dying of this virus, please protect yourself. Or urgently seek the vaccine. Everyone else should be permitted to resume living normally.
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29/03/2021 10:16:10 0 0
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Hurrah!
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29/03/2021 09:55:51 4 12
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Great news.
Just a shame we've u-turned again to "dates not data" and continue to have more restrictions on our lives and freedom to travel than almost anywhere in the world, despite the vaccination success.
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29/03/2021 10:24:52 3 1
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"and continue to have more restrictions on our lives and freedom to travel than almost anywhere in the world"

demonstrably untrue.
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29/03/2021 09:55:51 54 9
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Glad to hear it , wish mass vaccinations had happened sooner - get the jab - covid is real .
Sometimes symptoms are only like a cold, other times it kills people - get the jab , side effects and after effects chances are very small compared to the risk of dying if you get the disease .
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29/03/2021 09:59:46 74 33
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saddens me greatly to see so many of the selfish comments about getting 'their lives back' and not about celebrating saving the lives of their (often elderly) loved ones
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29/03/2021 11:33:53 2 0
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Err, how would it have been possible for vaccinations to have happened sooner?
The UK is doing a pretty good job with the vaccination program. You cannot compare the UK with Israel or UEA.
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29/03/2021 12:10:29 3 0
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I had the vaccine last Thursday, and I've been a bit off-colour for a few days. Do I regret having the vaccine? No way. Loads of my peers and older friends have had it and been fine, some a little like me. Just got to get on with it and be grateful the vaccine exists.
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29/03/2021 12:34:19 0 0
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The covid survival rate is 99%.
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29/03/2021 09:51:47 5 9
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Excellent news, lets hope they keep it up because at the current rate we will only have the entire population vaccinated by the end of the year (3 months for <1/2 the population to receive half of their dose)
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29/03/2021 09:55:56 6 5
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Stop trying to be negative on a good news story...
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29/03/2021 10:00:29 1 2
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arcangel is an activist Andy
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29/03/2021 10:01:38 2 1
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I literally state this is excellent news and provide perspective, how is that being negative? I literally just stated facts
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29/03/2021 09:56:43 12 19
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Why are we still in lockdown?
We've only just learned about this - I hope that answers your question.
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29/03/2021 10:06:59 0 0
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Why do you think?
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29/03/2021 10:09:28 3 0
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Probably because of people like you.
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29/03/2021 09:56:46 6 5
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It's interesting that in the UK, studies show the Pfizer and AZ vaccines to be of similar efficacy. Yet within the EU there never seems to be any doubt about the Pfizer jab. You do wonder if they are looking at different data, the same data but different conclusions; or maybe not giving the Pfizer vaccine the same level of scrutiny.
After All, EU must have good data on Pfizer like we have on AZ.
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LEO
29/03/2021 10:00:47 18 15
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The EU just wants to put the UK down - to crush us - AZ is seen as British.

The bitter & twisted EU has killed it's own people in the advancement of their own political agender.
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29/03/2021 10:59:26 0 0
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We all have the same data - these things are not secrets.
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29/03/2021 09:57:11 38 0
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Great to see. There was a report about a care home in Osnabruck, Germany a few weeks ago where every infection amongst the residents was mild. Good to see it backed up with more quantitative evidence.
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29/03/2021 10:21:37 18 12
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Not so at the Care Home in Devon though where 9 old people have died since Feb 25th.
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29/03/2021 09:57:13 331 42
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Thank you Scientists.
We're lucky the majority have listened to you and not the keyboard conspiracy theorists
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29/03/2021 10:15:41 123 171
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Good news. And this is the reason we need to accelerate the lifting of restrictions.

Now that increases in infections don't lead to an increase in deaths we need to prioritise our economic recovery.
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29/03/2021 11:14:00 11 23
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Usual comments from those on here that seem to have conveniently forgotten that the vaccinated still transmit covid.
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29/03/2021 09:57:46 247 23
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And despite the gradually emerging positive data there are still those individuals who work in care homes who refuse the vaccine. Their selfish logic makes no sense. Though those in their care now have a good chance of survival many can still become unwell.
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29/03/2021 10:01:35 219 7
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They probably won't be working in care homes much longer.
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29/03/2021 10:06:09 61 10
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All care homes and medical staff must have the vaccine. They have a duty of care not forgetting a moral duty.
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29/03/2021 10:17:29 30 4
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Well...their selfish logic could also get them in big trouble.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-devon-56529279

It's just a matter of time until a family sues a care home and there is a landmark case..could even happen in other sectors.
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29/03/2021 10:19:45 11 43
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Care homes already struggle to recruit decent staff without insisting on getting the vaccine. Which means they would need to rely more on agency staff who go from care home to care home spreading other illnesses.

I suggest that anyone worried about their relatives in a care home with unvaccinated staff leave their jobs and look after their relatives themselves.
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29/03/2021 10:47:42 24 2
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But it isn't 'logic' - it's nonsense circulating amongst the uneducated; mostly 'minorities' but that FACT may get my post pulled? Lots of efforts by good people in those communities to try to change attitudes though.
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29/03/2021 10:58:19 11 4
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It has to be said, it seems reckless to allow unvaccinated people to work around the old and frail, they would allow them to work there if they hadn't had the 'regular' vaccines like Polio/Measles (I assume) so why allow this particularly risky choice when the evidence of safety and efficacy is now proven by volume delivery.
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29/03/2021 11:07:22 6 2
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Privately owned Care Homes have trouble recruiting staff because they want to pay minimum wage and impose high demands.
Care homes should be like NHS hospitals and placed under the public sector. This will unify standards across the sector and make jobs, like nursing, a worthwhile career with a chance of progressing through grades.
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29/03/2021 11:13:08 1 1
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The very high number of people catching Covid in care homes and hospital has been shocking!
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29/03/2021 11:11:47 5 11
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Why would they need to be vaccinated if the vaccine is so effective. Or is it that the vaccine is not as great as people like you are making out. After all at 62% that means 4/10 will die whether vaccinated or not.
Remember the vaccinated still transmit covid.
You are trying to have this both ways - cherry on top Mr Junker moment.
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JE
29/03/2021 11:27:28 3 4
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Perhaps they have seen the effect of the vaccines on the individuals.
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Pip
29/03/2021 11:29:03 5 2
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To not be vaccinated is their choice, to not employ them is the care homes choice, not difficult really............?
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29/03/2021 11:33:40 1 0
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It's the same problem that many hospitals have, every year there are many health professionals that don't get vaccinated for flu. I understand that there was discussion around this while we were in the EU, but it was felt that it was an infringement on workers (and human) rights and would lay the employer open to litigation in the event that the worker had a reaction and died due to the vaccine.
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29/03/2021 11:55:24 1 1
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I am slightly confused here...how are they being selfish. The UK Government statement is: "The vaccine cannot give you COVID-19 infection, and a full course will reduce your chance of becoming seriously ill. WE DO NOT YET KNOW whether it will stop you from catching and passing on the virus, but we do EXPECT it to reduce this risk". Maybe when more is known more people will get jabbed.
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29/03/2021 12:34:31 0 0
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Have you heard of Stockholm Syndrome? You have it.
29/03/2021 13:10:40 1 0
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Agreed. Before she retired, my wife worked as a care officer for the NHS in sheltered accommodation. Annual staff vaccinations and top-ups were routine. No one complained or refused, it was part of the job protecting your clients from harm.
29/03/2021 13:16:31 1 0
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Absolutely correct. Me (M.Sc) and MD wife had our Pfizer shots immediately. In USA, most refusals are from BLACKS, then some Hispanics. Politically, double or triple numbers of those are Republicans (Trump supporter conservatives) Trump always was against Doctors advice, possibly to protect his $$$ Business dealings. Biden is GOOD.
29/03/2021 13:32:54 0 0
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Not everyone can have the vaccine on medical grounds. If the people they are caring for have been vaccinated why does it matter if they are? I have had the vaccine I am not antivax. It illogical to me tho why anyone needs to be vaccinated to protect someone who already is. People get ill from all sorts of things not just Covid. Should careworkers have vaccines for every illness then?
29/03/2021 23:32:50 0 0
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Maybe you should offer yourself up as a cate worker if you know alm that’s needed.
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29/03/2021 09:52:53 14 19
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These results are pretty much as I suspected would be the case. it is also a further vindication of Mr Johnson's far sighted decision to concentrate on getting a first dose into the adult population as soon as possible!! A policy that I fully supported at the time

Once again the tories prove that they are saving lives and leading us to recovery!!!!
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29/03/2021 10:00:18 14 10
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So the 140,000 dead is a good result in your opinion? Are you completely mad?
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29/03/2021 10:02:00 4 3
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Thank you for this message from Conservative Party HQ!
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29/03/2021 10:05:05 2 2
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Steady with that saving lives bit.

With one of the largest death tolls in the world you'd better keep quiet about any lives, let alone saved.
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Jaf
29/03/2021 10:11:46 0 0
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Actually I first heard this idea advocated by Tony Blair.

But I guess your political milage may vary
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29/03/2021 10:14:51 0 0
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Strange that Mr Johnson followed Mr Blair's advice.
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29/03/2021 09:57:55 13 17
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Give up November to save Christmas.

Give up Christmas to save January.

Give up January, February and March to save Easter.

Give up Easter to save the summer.

Give up summer to save the Autumn.

Can anyone guess what's coming next...?

It never ends until WE say it does.
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29/03/2021 10:00:34 18 6
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If you don't like adhering to the necessary lack down measures, then by all means go out and catch covid. Your choice.
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29/03/2021 10:06:31 0 2
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Give up November to save christmas was an error
no one ever said give up christmas to save january. christmas, january and february have been about saving lives, not saving easter.
At this point with only a week to go, you are allowed to visit your friends and family at Easter, albeit outside.
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29/03/2021 10:15:27 3 1
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Yes .... we are being played for fools. The Imperial College study all the way back from last March clearly showed that there would be multiple waves of infection unless the virus was completely eliminated. Somehow we should make it clear to those in power that we are only TEMPORARILY LENDING them our support w.r.t lock-down restrictions, and we will not tolerate a totalitarian society.
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29/03/2021 09:58:03 10 20
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Not much comfort to the relatives of deceased care home residents, who died because the Tories turned a blind eye to the issue last year.
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29/03/2021 10:04:42 4 6
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Im one of the relatives you mention and political point scoring shouldn't even enter into this discussion , its about peoples lives, not your political ideology
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LEO
29/03/2021 09:58:03 13 19
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We've been saved.

Now we need to appreciate - once we once thought was lost.

Let's live life and thank God that we live in Britain (or are British) - we have got our freedom back

And we live in a great Country.
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29/03/2021 10:10:49 4 2
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Are you being ironic Leo?
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29/03/2021 11:09:12 0 1
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Oh dear!
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29/03/2021 09:58:00 6 17
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"A single dose of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine was effective at stopping 62% of coronavirus infections in care homes, a study has found."

...and was unable to stop another 38%

STAY IN LOCKDOWN UNTIL ALL SECOND DOSES ARE ADMINISTERED.
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29/03/2021 10:01:56 1 6
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My advice to the gov't is to keep certain sections of the population (those that contribute the least to economic activity!!) in a permanent state of lockdown!!

There will be obvious benefits to public health, the environment, crime and public order with little impact on our economic recovery!!!

And it will allow the rest of us to go about rebuilding the country in peace!!!
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29/03/2021 10:12:25 1 2
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Or they got infected before the 3 weeks required for vaccine to be effective.

Or they didn't go to hospital or die as a result of the infection and just had a mild cold, thanks to the vaccine.

All relevant information to be ascertained before you lock down the whole country, who are vastly unaffected by Covid, to protect a few.
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29/03/2021 09:53:28 7 9
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It's almost as if any dose is better than no dose - again, puts some European's leaders reasoning into perspective.
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29/03/2021 09:58:47 4 3
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If only some selfish country didn't sign the contract late but still demanded preferential treatment and stripping fellow Europeans from ability to be vaccinated.
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29/03/2021 10:06:45 1 0
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Mose companies send out products in the order in which orders come in. These vaccine producers are private companies and not state owned. They are following normal commercial procedures and contracts.
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29/03/2021 11:10:33 1 0
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FACT CHECK - There is no evidence that anything stated in Grumpy Skippers post represents the truth. Caution is advised when reviewing Grumpy Skipper posts.
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29/03/2021 09:58:48 33 25
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So Spaffer believes the success of our vaccine programme is down to 'free market economics'?

I'd like to hear him explain how using large amounts of public money and political influence (and contracts that effectively bind producers to supply one client) to monopolise the supply of a product is 'free market economics'!
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29/03/2021 10:03:36 19 3
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Where suppliers are brining on more production facilities online to meet requirements of different customers, how can one contract monopolise supply?
UK orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in UK
USA orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in USA
EU orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in EU
The more ordered the more produced.
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29/03/2021 10:50:38 1 3
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But then, HE said it so you knew it wasn't true. The 'greed' bit leaked out though!
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29/03/2021 11:23:47 1 1
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No Boris said the reason we have vaccines is because of the greed of corporations wanting to make money for their shareholders. He then immediately retracted his comment after remembering AZ is producing its vaccine at cost, and asked people to remove his comment from their collective memory.
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29/03/2021 09:59:09 29 0
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So not quasi-ineffective?
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29/03/2021 10:23:30 6 36
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62% effective, 38% ineffective. Quasi-quasi-effective.
29/03/2021 13:25:34 0 0
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It is 62% effective at preventing infection after 5 weeks.

That means you are 62% less likely to "catch" Covid-19.

As there is reduced risk of catching it, you're less likely to spread it.

If you do catch Covid-19 after being jabbed, you are less likely to be seriously ill or die from Covid-19, and those who do catch it are also less likely to spread it.

But not everyone can take the jab!
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29/03/2021 09:59:18 7 12
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BBC must be seething having to report this good news
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29/03/2021 10:03:14 11 9
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No, BBC are demonstrating yet again their objectivity.

Shame some people cannot recognise such simple fact.
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29/03/2021 09:59:32 2 7
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Switched off at: "a study suggests..". It's a binary scientific study. You sound\report this like, The Sun.
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29/03/2021 10:02:15 14 0
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Are you having a beef with BBC or UCL?.....

I doubt The Sun would ever publish anything like that - far too complex for its average audience.
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29/03/2021 10:03:37 4 0
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Science is rarely, if ever, binary. Physics is sometimes an exception. Almost all studies have some limitations - responsible media reporting reflects this.
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Jaf
29/03/2021 10:09:04 1 0
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A binary study would report 0% or 100%.

This one goes with "56% rising to 62%"
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29/03/2021 09:55:51 54 9
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Glad to hear it , wish mass vaccinations had happened sooner - get the jab - covid is real .
Sometimes symptoms are only like a cold, other times it kills people - get the jab , side effects and after effects chances are very small compared to the risk of dying if you get the disease .
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29/03/2021 09:59:46 74 33
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saddens me greatly to see so many of the selfish comments about getting 'their lives back' and not about celebrating saving the lives of their (often elderly) loved ones
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29/03/2021 10:08:07 14 9
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And the alternative? Walk around in a completely depressed state for 6 months. Move on and look forward please.
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29/03/2021 10:08:13 15 2
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Eldery people want their lives. Young people want their lives.
This doesn't make either group selfish
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29/03/2021 10:15:33 19 1
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My mum died during lockdown, and because of lockdown we didn’t see her.

Vaccination is nice to have, but I’d rather have seen my mum.

And now that my dads on his own, I hope for sake of his health health that things open up quickly.
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29/03/2021 10:37:19 11 7
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I think the young have done enough for us oldies time to give them their lives back.
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29/03/2021 11:39:32 6 4
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So , effectively we have sacrificed 67,000,000 years of life and the education of a generation, to save a handful of very old or very overweight people who would have died of something in the next 2 years anyway.
The selfish are those that ignore the massive impact on everyone else, especially the young.
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29/03/2021 12:19:29 0 2
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Very true Formby.

10 years under the Tories has turned a lot of people into selfish indiduals.

Greed is good apparently. (Says BJ)
29/03/2021 13:20:25 1 0
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You don't generally celebrate saving someone's life unless you have reason to believe they would otherwise have died had it not been for your actions. But the restrictions on people are palpable.
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29/03/2021 09:51:32 5 11
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1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. That is very high compared to the general population where less than 0.5% are positive.

The 62% figure suggests that 965 caught it before their jab compared to 370 people after, but how much of that improvement was due to the lockdown?

Give them their second jab now.
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29/03/2021 09:59:55 1 2
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One clearly needs to see the original paper to make a proper judgement, but your figure of 12.8% (over three months) cannot be compared to the 0.5% value (which is a point estimate).
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29/03/2021 10:00:04 12 13
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And we’re still in lockdown for what reason?
We've only just learned this - I hope that answers your question.
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29/03/2021 10:05:31 5 1
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Quite sinister that despite the vax success and numbers falling that we continue to have more restrictions to our freedom than almost anywhere else in the world.
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29/03/2021 09:52:53 14 19
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These results are pretty much as I suspected would be the case. it is also a further vindication of Mr Johnson's far sighted decision to concentrate on getting a first dose into the adult population as soon as possible!! A policy that I fully supported at the time

Once again the tories prove that they are saving lives and leading us to recovery!!!!
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29/03/2021 10:00:18 14 10
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So the 140,000 dead is a good result in your opinion? Are you completely mad?
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29/03/2021 10:05:10 1 1
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Not all down to the government is it? What about the irresponsible citizens who continued to carry on as if the were immune or super spreaders.
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29/03/2021 10:07:31 3 0
bbc
And we all know that had Corbyn and company won in December 2019, that death toll would be millions, with no vaccine available, as Corbyn couldn't manage a paper bag and the country wouldn't have developed a vaccine or would be unable to get its hands on any due to being stuck in the failed EU vaccination programme.
131
29/03/2021 10:14:16 3 0
bbc
You do know 500k died of something other than Covid last year, yes? And that 130k won't be out of line with the rest of Europe once their third wave is done.
327
29/03/2021 10:46:57 1 0
bbc
One death is too many but until the 3rd wave is over and countries report in the same manner we wont know will we ?
4
29/03/2021 09:52:46 174 70
bbc
So clearly the vaccine works.

If this is the case could all those who are panic stricken about returning to normality, give it a rest.
32
29/03/2021 10:00:24 146 106
bbc
I dont think those of us who urge caution are "panic stricken" nor don't want a return to normality. Obviously we do, but to continuously push to open up before we are ready is what has led to previous spikes in cases.... or have you just forgotten what happened at christmas or with the eat out to help out scheme?
45
29/03/2021 10:03:05 23 24
bbc
Last Christmas when no one had been vaccinated? Or during the eat out to help hour scheme when no one had been vaccinated?
63
29/03/2021 10:05:36 19 11
bbc
No vaccine then! That’s the crucial difference now.
103
29/03/2021 10:10:21 46 14
bbc
The evidence suggests that the eat out to help out scheme had little effect on transmission of Covid.
142
29/03/2021 10:15:42 22 6
bbc
At Christmas there was hardly a person vaccinated and those that were had only just been done and so had no immunity. Eat out to help out did not cause a rise in cases. This was happening all over the summer with hardly a change. Cases shot up when the schools went back and particularly the universities.
205
29/03/2021 10:28:07 3 0
bbc
Maybe but there were no vaccines available at those times!!
217
29/03/2021 10:30:09 10 11
bbc
Opening up too early has never led to previous spikes. When we opened up (too late) in June and July last year cases continued to fall and the R rate was below 1 all summer, including for the duration of eat out to help out, and only rose again as temperatures dropped in Autumn.
616
29/03/2021 11:28:35 2 3
bbc
They are total morons but unfortunately social media has given them a voice.
4
29/03/2021 09:52:46 174 70
bbc
So clearly the vaccine works.

If this is the case could all those who are panic stricken about returning to normality, give it a rest.
33
29/03/2021 10:00:26 18 28
bbc
1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. The rate for the general population is less than 0.5%.

One jab gives just 62% protection. That means millions are unprotected. Give them their second jabs now.
175
29/03/2021 10:21:49 28 1
bbc
62% is reduction in infection
what is the reduction in serious illness?
what is the reduction in deaths?
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Si
29/03/2021 10:20:06 8 11
bbc
Everyone assumes that everyone is capable of catching it. That is untrue. Many people will never catch it even if they swam in it.
Only 6 people in hospital in Gloucestershire out of a population of 655,000 and those 6 are not even seriously ill.
Open up everything now.
319
29/03/2021 10:45:42 0 0
bbc
one sample is over months, the other is a weekly measure...
12
29/03/2021 09:55:56 6 5
bbc
Stop trying to be negative on a good news story...
34
29/03/2021 10:00:29 1 2
bbc
arcangel is an activist Andy
59
29/03/2021 10:05:09 1 2
bbc
I'm really not. Don't have the energy for that and i tend to post during tea/lunchbreaks and not at any point during the rest of the day
1
29/03/2021 09:51:32 5 11
bbc
1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. That is very high compared to the general population where less than 0.5% are positive.

The 62% figure suggests that 965 caught it before their jab compared to 370 people after, but how much of that improvement was due to the lockdown?

Give them their second jab now.
35
29/03/2021 10:00:32 1 2
bbc
There were 1,335 positives, from 36,352 tests carried out on 10,412 people. The 12.8% number would only be correct if we knew a positive person was only tested once, and that's highly unlikely. As 20% was the estimated figure for potivite tests in residents last spring, even your dramatic over estimate of 12.8% would be an improvement.

Also, no one is suggesting second doses are delayed.
19
29/03/2021 09:57:55 13 17
bbc
Give up November to save Christmas.

Give up Christmas to save January.

Give up January, February and March to save Easter.

Give up Easter to save the summer.

Give up summer to save the Autumn.

Can anyone guess what's coming next...?

It never ends until WE say it does.
36
29/03/2021 10:00:34 18 6
bbc
If you don't like adhering to the necessary lack down measures, then by all means go out and catch covid. Your choice.
61
29/03/2021 10:05:26 4 0
bbc
and if you are under 45, it will make no difference. ONS show 480 people died above "normal" ie no difference.
117
29/03/2021 10:12:01 4 1
bbc
Except that it’s not a choice most people can make.

Those that don’t want a criminal record, or can’t afford fines.

I’d totally take up the chance of getting COVID in return for my freedom back. Easy choice!
14
29/03/2021 09:56:46 6 5
bbc
It's interesting that in the UK, studies show the Pfizer and AZ vaccines to be of similar efficacy. Yet within the EU there never seems to be any doubt about the Pfizer jab. You do wonder if they are looking at different data, the same data but different conclusions; or maybe not giving the Pfizer vaccine the same level of scrutiny.
After All, EU must have good data on Pfizer like we have on AZ.
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LEO
29/03/2021 10:00:47 18 15
bbc
The EU just wants to put the UK down - to crush us - AZ is seen as British.

The bitter & twisted EU has killed it's own people in the advancement of their own political agender.
249
29/03/2021 10:35:18 0 0
bbc
'it's' should be 'its' and I think you will find it is called 'agenda'. As to your 'point', I fail to see the connection with the study.
402
29/03/2021 10:59:44 0 0
bbc
If you say so!
1
29/03/2021 09:51:32 5 11
bbc
1,335 infections among the 10,412 old people tested, 12.8%. That is very high compared to the general population where less than 0.5% are positive.

The 62% figure suggests that 965 caught it before their jab compared to 370 people after, but how much of that improvement was due to the lockdown?

Give them their second jab now.
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29/03/2021 10:01:15 2 1
bbc
the figure in the general population has been higher than 0.5% and the figure you are referring to is people infected at one time, as opposed to over the 3 months of the study

Advancing second jabs for one group, must accompany a delay in first jab for another group.

As there is increasing evidence that jabs reduce transmission, more first jabs may also help the older people avoid covid
17
29/03/2021 09:57:46 247 23
bbc
And despite the gradually emerging positive data there are still those individuals who work in care homes who refuse the vaccine. Their selfish logic makes no sense. Though those in their care now have a good chance of survival many can still become unwell.
39
29/03/2021 10:01:35 219 7
bbc
They probably won't be working in care homes much longer.
71
29/03/2021 10:06:28 14 4
bbc
You say it like it would be more detrimental to them and not to care homes. The sad reality is, care homes just can't afford to lose labour.
410
29/03/2021 10:57:55 9 4
bbc
It needs legislation to require employees to be vaccinated as it isn't in their employment contract. The same situation exists in hospitals. I know from someone who works at our local hospital that there are some nursing staff who are refusing to be vaccinated, so there are parts of the job they are no longer allowed to perform. But they get paid the same, and others have to do half of their work.
They won't ever be able to recruit in care homes. Who in their right mind who is healthy and fit, would take an experimental, gene changing, virus manufacturing vaccine for a condition that has a 99.97% recovery rate, even faster recovery than flu. Removed
786
29/03/2021 11:59:27 3 1
bbc
A lot refusing the vaccine want to be mums or are pregnant. Aren’t they allowed to be a little wary? Let’s punish people for that. So many pretend to be a good person because they’ve took the vaccine yet the attitude stinks on most.
30/03/2021 10:25:30 0 0
bbc
Agreed.

Not much of a care home if the workers aren't first in line.

I think this virus caught a lot of people knapping, though.

A lot of evidence unfortunately that care in care homes shouldn't be taken for granted.
12
29/03/2021 09:55:56 6 5
bbc
Stop trying to be negative on a good news story...
40
29/03/2021 10:01:38 2 1
bbc
I literally state this is excellent news and provide perspective, how is that being negative? I literally just stated facts
18
29/03/2021 09:52:53 14 19
bbc
These results are pretty much as I suspected would be the case. it is also a further vindication of Mr Johnson's far sighted decision to concentrate on getting a first dose into the adult population as soon as possible!! A policy that I fully supported at the time

Once again the tories prove that they are saving lives and leading us to recovery!!!!
41
29/03/2021 10:02:00 4 3
bbc
Thank you for this message from Conservative Party HQ!
82
29/03/2021 10:05:46 3 0
bbc
Well, there aren't any messages coming out of the moribund Labour Party HQ!
27
29/03/2021 09:59:32 2 7
bbc
Switched off at: "a study suggests..". It's a binary scientific study. You sound\report this like, The Sun.
42
29/03/2021 10:02:15 14 0
bbc
Are you having a beef with BBC or UCL?.....

I doubt The Sun would ever publish anything like that - far too complex for its average audience.
335
29/03/2021 10:48:47 0 0
bbc
Your so smart I salute you.
43
29/03/2021 10:02:32 3 4
bbc
Does any authoritative report/study claim that vaccination prevents onward transmission? I haven't seen one. I don't expect to.
Give it time. This virus was only discovered for the first time barely a year ago.
These studies are underway.
84
29/03/2021 10:07:57 1 0
bbc
No, you won't find one. Though plenty of evidence that transmissions gets slowed down with vaccinations.

Two different concepts some might hard to understand.
159
29/03/2021 10:18:49 1 0
bbc
No; onward transmission is possible after vaccination. It reduces the probability of onward infection: vaccinated people fight off the virus much faster so are infectious for a shorter period.

Reducing the 'infectious period' reduces the number of people one may infect.

As vaccinated people are far less likely (up to 100%) to become seriously ill, most infections are effectively benign anyway.
3
29/03/2021 09:52:30 96 6
bbc
Good news, the more data we get supporting effective vaccines, the more confidence we can have reopening in the knowledge any rise in infections should not cause concern.
44
29/03/2021 10:02:52 32 134
bbc
62% protected is not really good news. 92% would be good.
56
29/03/2021 10:04:51 20 5
bbc
Not really good news? U ok Hun?
109
29/03/2021 10:10:09 51 0
bbc
62% Protected against catching covid. It’s actually 75% according to biggest study.

But crucially it’s almost 100% effective in stopping serious illness and death.
119
29/03/2021 10:12:29 22 2
bbc
It’s not 62% of all people. It is that all people have roughly 62% protection and that if we then catch it the effects will be relatively mild. BIG difference... genuinely hope that allays your fears????
130
29/03/2021 10:14:08 8 0
bbc
Just figures. The WHO efficacy for a vaccine is 60%. Simply because not 100% of the population will be exposed.
153
29/03/2021 10:16:58 23 0
bbc
62% is better than the flu vaccine.
168
29/03/2021 10:19:57 24 0
bbc
It is fantastic news. Your interpretation is wrong.

This is 62% of infections. I believe the flu jab is somewhere between 15% and 40% to put it in context.

What's more, that doesn't even take account of the reduction in severity that might be there for infections that do occur.
184
29/03/2021 10:24:08 13 1
bbc
I’m sure someone said already but danger of being seriously ill or going to hospital at all pretty close to 100%.
203
29/03/2021 10:27:46 10 4
bbc
After one year of being educated in epidemiology you still know nothing.
226
29/03/2021 10:31:02 6 0
bbc
most vaccines are happily used if they work at 50%. That was the goal for these vaccines and this is the figure for after 1 jab not 2
237
29/03/2021 10:33:14 3 3
bbc
Have a day off. Can tell you've been hanging on every word the news has been telling you the last 12 months!
242
29/03/2021 10:34:19 9 0
bbc
62% is great actually, the flu vaccine isn't even that effective
287
rob
29/03/2021 10:40:28 7 1
bbc
62% effective against passing the virus on to other people you need to read the article before you post
333
29/03/2021 10:48:18 4 1
bbc
You're a cglass half empty' person aren't you?
368
29/03/2021 10:53:57 4 0
bbc
62% is better than the flu vaccine.

The thing is that it brings the R number down. If the R number is normally 1.5 (infections growing exponentially), then a 62% reduction brings it down to 0.57 (infections reducing rapidly).

It will probably bring it below that, because they believe that those who were vaccinated but DID catch it are less infectious than normal as well.
414
29/03/2021 11:01:01 0 0
bbc
What would be more useful is to know how many had become ill, went to hospital or indeed died. Given the demographic, it will be difficult but far from impossible to tease out the actual protection levels. After all, it is severe illness and death that is the thing we want to prevent, having the virus and a few bad days, knowing nothing worse - including long Covid - is coming, is the real goal.
589
29/03/2021 11:25:34 0 0
bbc
Why not 110%?
634
29/03/2021 11:31:02 1 0
bbc
62% covers all the vulnerable to serious illness. That is as good as 100%.
641
29/03/2021 11:31:01 1 0
bbc
people who dont take vaccine 0% protected and im not a mathmatician
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VoR
29/03/2021 11:42:58 0 0
bbc
Don't read too much into the headline rates for these particular vaccines. Firstly, those with lower "effectiveness" almost invariably have tougher thresholds for "success". Secondly, effectiveness for most of them is defined in terms of having symptoms; when you define success in terms of ending up dead or in ICU, the rate is way higher (near 100% for some that otherwise appear less effective).
787
29/03/2021 11:59:55 1 1
bbc
62% Protected IS good news. 92% would be BETTER news.
869
29/03/2021 12:19:29 0 0
bbc
and of those remaining 48% less than 0.01% are likely to die from the infection and most of them will have pre-existing conditions. And the figure for under 40s with no pre-existing conditons that have died since this began is 87.
29/03/2021 13:04:28 0 0
bbc
That's 62% reduction is catching the virus, the important point it is close to 100% effective of preventing serious disease, essentially it de-fangs this virus and makes it no more dangerous that the common cold.
29/03/2021 13:15:37 0 0
bbc
It is good news for the 62%
32
29/03/2021 10:00:24 146 106
bbc
I dont think those of us who urge caution are "panic stricken" nor don't want a return to normality. Obviously we do, but to continuously push to open up before we are ready is what has led to previous spikes in cases.... or have you just forgotten what happened at christmas or with the eat out to help out scheme?
45
29/03/2021 10:03:05 23 24
bbc
Last Christmas when no one had been vaccinated? Or during the eat out to help hour scheme when no one had been vaccinated?
83
29/03/2021 10:07:57 31 28
bbc
They are urging to open up with less than 50% of the population receiving their FIRST dose which provides a 62% reduction. so if 38% of this 50% are still unprotected then that means that 69% of the UK population are still at risk.... not great figures now are they
26
29/03/2021 09:59:18 7 12
bbc
BBC must be seething having to report this good news
46
29/03/2021 10:03:14 11 9
bbc
No, BBC are demonstrating yet again their objectivity.

Shame some people cannot recognise such simple fact.
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29/03/2021 09:58:48 33 25
bbc
So Spaffer believes the success of our vaccine programme is down to 'free market economics'?

I'd like to hear him explain how using large amounts of public money and political influence (and contracts that effectively bind producers to supply one client) to monopolise the supply of a product is 'free market economics'!
47
29/03/2021 10:03:36 19 3
bbc
Where suppliers are brining on more production facilities online to meet requirements of different customers, how can one contract monopolise supply?
UK orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in UK
USA orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in USA
EU orders AZ, AZ commissions production facility in EU
The more ordered the more produced.
539
29/03/2021 11:20:45 6 0
bbc
While agree with your overall theme with an at cost vaccine like OAZ it's a little bit more complex: Governments or agencies paid most of the cost of commissioning new capacity in UK, US, Australia, India etc.

They've rightly said "we are first in the queue for our factories".

EU negotiated price & put less into building capacity (for AZ): didn't understand this would mean less production.
27
29/03/2021 09:59:32 2 7
bbc
Switched off at: "a study suggests..". It's a binary scientific study. You sound\report this like, The Sun.
48
29/03/2021 10:03:37 4 0
bbc
Science is rarely, if ever, binary. Physics is sometimes an exception. Almost all studies have some limitations - responsible media reporting reflects this.
30
29/03/2021 10:00:04 12 13
bbc
And we’re still in lockdown for what reason?
We've only just learned this - I hope that answers your question.
126
29/03/2021 10:13:15 2 0
bbc
Wrong. We’ve known the vaccine works for months!
50
29/03/2021 10:04:06 80 7
bbc
I prefer to take advice from those with medical qualifications rather than the online "medical experts" who were "experts in Europen trade last year".
66
29/03/2021 10:05:55 11 18
bbc
You mean like from the UCL team?.....
79
29/03/2021 10:07:19 9 2
bbc
Did Boris listen to the experts with medical qualifications....???
669
29/03/2021 11:36:04 3 7
bbc
All the way through this the scientific community have changed tack.
Masks for example are a complete waste of time. If we look at the data from 24th July, they had zero impact in cases and zero impact on deaths
Don't blindly follow anybody, assess the risk and make decisions yourself.
774
29/03/2021 11:54:48 2 2
bbc
People with medical qualifications...like the Professor of Theoretical Epidemiology at Oxford University, Sunetra Gupta and her co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration. If our politicians had they would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives, and millions of people adversely affected. Lockdown would be a memory of the early outbreak panic. An understandab mistake.
22
29/03/2021 09:58:00 6 17
bbc
"A single dose of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine was effective at stopping 62% of coronavirus infections in care homes, a study has found."

...and was unable to stop another 38%

STAY IN LOCKDOWN UNTIL ALL SECOND DOSES ARE ADMINISTERED.
51
29/03/2021 10:01:56 1 6
bbc
My advice to the gov't is to keep certain sections of the population (those that contribute the least to economic activity!!) in a permanent state of lockdown!!

There will be obvious benefits to public health, the environment, crime and public order with little impact on our economic recovery!!!

And it will allow the rest of us to go about rebuilding the country in peace!!!
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LEO
29/03/2021 10:04:32 10 6
bbc
YES ……. but what about the METEOR !!!! lol

We have to worry about something ………….. after Covid, the Weather just doesn't cut it. :-)
93
29/03/2021 10:08:55 5 17
bbc
I think you will find it will, they are going to ramp up the fear of climate change.
And they will leverage their new found powers to "avoid" "climate disaster".
All those that so readily gave away their freedoms have sold us all down the river.
53
29/03/2021 10:04:36 13 8
bbc
Yet more evidence vaccine works, prevents serious disease, prevents moderate disease and prevents passing on to others, even in the most extremely vulnerable. But here we are, pretending that we don't know this, to continue exerting unnecessary control and suppression on people despite 30m vaccinated.

How many of those that got infected had the jab less than 3 weeks beforehand?
124
29/03/2021 10:12:32 11 15
bbc
Vaccine does NOT prevent transmission to others. It suppresses symptoms.
20
29/03/2021 09:58:03 10 20
bbc
Not much comfort to the relatives of deceased care home residents, who died because the Tories turned a blind eye to the issue last year.
54
29/03/2021 10:04:42 4 6
bbc
Im one of the relatives you mention and political point scoring shouldn't even enter into this discussion , its about peoples lives, not your political ideology
158
29/03/2021 10:18:14 1 1
bbc
People died under the Tories' watch.

126,000 dead

Borders still open.
55
29/03/2021 10:04:48 9 6
bbc
Enquiry....???
123
29/03/2021 10:11:49 0 6
bbc
No.
The scientific data is already out there.
Do NOT let politicians get hold of anymore information to abuse.
44
29/03/2021 10:02:52 32 134
bbc
62% protected is not really good news. 92% would be good.
56
29/03/2021 10:04:51 20 5
bbc
Not really good news? U ok Hun?
77
29/03/2021 10:07:03 14 32
bbc
38% unprotected. Don't they matter?
57
29/03/2021 10:03:30 4 9
bbc
We are getting there, close to the final hurdle. I just hope that people behave themselves and don't spoil all the effort that has been made.

Looks like victory over Covid and victory over the EU!
88
29/03/2021 10:08:23 6 5
bbc
Yes we're victorious in having more deaths than any EU nation.
122
29/03/2021 10:10:45 1 2
bbc
Back to 'normal' soon.
Remember 'normal?'
'Normal' turned it into a pandemic.
173
29/03/2021 10:21:13 1 1
bbc
Where people are dying on both “sides” there is no victory just tragedy
18
29/03/2021 09:52:53 14 19
bbc
These results are pretty much as I suspected would be the case. it is also a further vindication of Mr Johnson's far sighted decision to concentrate on getting a first dose into the adult population as soon as possible!! A policy that I fully supported at the time

Once again the tories prove that they are saving lives and leading us to recovery!!!!
58
29/03/2021 10:05:05 2 2
bbc
Steady with that saving lives bit.

With one of the largest death tolls in the world you'd better keep quiet about any lives, let alone saved.
34
29/03/2021 10:00:29 1 2
bbc
arcangel is an activist Andy
59
29/03/2021 10:05:09 1 2
bbc
I'm really not. Don't have the energy for that and i tend to post during tea/lunchbreaks and not at any point during the rest of the day
31
29/03/2021 10:00:18 14 10
bbc
So the 140,000 dead is a good result in your opinion? Are you completely mad?
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PS
29/03/2021 10:05:10 1 1
bbc
Not all down to the government is it? What about the irresponsible citizens who continued to carry on as if the were immune or super spreaders.
36
29/03/2021 10:00:34 18 6
bbc
If you don't like adhering to the necessary lack down measures, then by all means go out and catch covid. Your choice.
61
29/03/2021 10:05:26 4 0
bbc
and if you are under 45, it will make no difference. ONS show 480 people died above "normal" ie no difference.
30
29/03/2021 10:00:04 12 13
bbc
And we’re still in lockdown for what reason?
62
29/03/2021 10:05:31 5 1
bbc
Quite sinister that despite the vax success and numbers falling that we continue to have more restrictions to our freedom than almost anywhere else in the world.
32
29/03/2021 10:00:24 146 106
bbc
I dont think those of us who urge caution are "panic stricken" nor don't want a return to normality. Obviously we do, but to continuously push to open up before we are ready is what has led to previous spikes in cases.... or have you just forgotten what happened at christmas or with the eat out to help out scheme?
63
29/03/2021 10:05:36 19 11
bbc
No vaccine then! That’s the crucial difference now.
64
29/03/2021 10:05:51 3 9
bbc
Well how are Matt Hancock, PHE and the NHS going to kill thousands of the elderly by exporting their hospital acquired infections into care homes in the next wave?
89
29/03/2021 10:08:47 1 0
bbc
It's still happening according to this study.
108
29/03/2021 10:09:40 0 0
bbc
Give them time, they will work out how to do!
111
29/03/2021 10:10:33 1 0
bbc
It was the NHS who moved Covid infected people into care homes. Their own choice, the government didn't tell them too!
129
29/03/2021 10:14:04 0 1
bbc
You mean thousands of Tory voters?.....
43
29/03/2021 10:02:32 3 4
bbc
Does any authoritative report/study claim that vaccination prevents onward transmission? I haven't seen one. I don't expect to.
Give it time. This virus was only discovered for the first time barely a year ago.
These studies are underway.
50
29/03/2021 10:04:06 80 7
bbc
I prefer to take advice from those with medical qualifications rather than the online "medical experts" who were "experts in Europen trade last year".
66
29/03/2021 10:05:55 11 18
bbc
You mean like from the UCL team?.....
67
29/03/2021 10:05:56 85 5
bbc
Very true. However my wife who works in this sector points out Covid has not gone away, and what is being seen is very mild cases of covid in people infected but have been vaccinated. This in itself is causing people not to test, they don't realise they have it. So it will spread.
We must move away from being ruled by infection rates alone. We need to be ruled by hospitalisations only.
521
29/03/2021 11:17:20 15 0
bbc
The R rate is calculated using random swab testing, regardless of if the person has or does not have any symptoms. The R rate is crucial because it determines if the virus is spreading exponentially or if the numbers are stable or decreasing. That dictates not only what is going to happen as far as cases and hospitalisations but also the risk of new variants emerging.
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Ian
29/03/2021 10:06:08 96 36
bbc
????????????????????????????????????????????????

More great news about the vaccine making care homes safer

Meanwhile the French foreign minister says Britain will struggle to source second Covid-19 jabs. It's clear now that the EU is just making anti-British propaganda and obstructions at every opportunity.

I voted remain but this whole incident has blackened my view of the EU.
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29/03/2021 10:08:51 38 4
bbc
It was all going well until it got politicised.
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29/03/2021 10:09:32 11 30
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Another Quitter lying about having voted Remain. Why do they bother? Nobody believes them.
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29/03/2021 10:09:34 21 13
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The UK will emerge far stronger than the EU from all this. The EU is a disaster, hope the voters of Europe can take their blinkers off and see that.
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29/03/2021 10:11:29 11 22
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"I voted remain". Yawn.
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ike
29/03/2021 10:15:24 16 9
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SNP can’t wait to join the EU, why I can’t understand.
We would be in lockdown for another year had WM not supplied us with vaccine.
170
29/03/2021 10:20:33 13 4
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Junker pointed out to him the EU may struggle to get their first jab if they go ahead with their vaccine war.
177
29/03/2021 10:21:53 10 10
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What a stupid comment.

France =/= EU

The EU have not once stated that there is anything wrong with the AZ vaccines since they approved it in January. Nor are they making "Anti-British propaganda" in any sense of the word.

This article also has nothing to do with the EU.

Stop spreading misinformation.
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29/03/2021 10:52:47 9 3
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FRANCE is NOT the EU! (though they both have a lot to answer for!).
468
29/03/2021 11:09:21 11 8
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Their still bitter at us leaving plus it focuses people on us rather than their own massive failure to save continental lives whilst happily playing politics
780
29/03/2021 11:57:21 2 3
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Interesting comment. If this episode has made remain voters aware of the disdain the EU has for the UK, perhaps they “didn’t know what they were voting for”?
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29/03/2021 12:08:13 1 3
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I think you may be right. I've given the EU the benefit of the doubt up to about a week ago but they certainly behave as if they're trying to undermine us. I was a remainer but my view of them has changed forever.
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29/03/2021 09:57:46 247 23
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And despite the gradually emerging positive data there are still those individuals who work in care homes who refuse the vaccine. Their selfish logic makes no sense. Though those in their care now have a good chance of survival many can still become unwell.
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PS
29/03/2021 10:06:09 61 10
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All care homes and medical staff must have the vaccine. They have a duty of care not forgetting a moral duty.
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29/03/2021 10:14:18 39 8
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Your right.
It’s all a matter of having empathy with you fellow human beings.
Without empathy you have to ask whether unvaccinated care staff are in the right job.
13
29/03/2021 09:56:43 12 19
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Why are we still in lockdown?
We've only just learned about this - I hope that answers your question.
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29/03/2021 10:01:35 219 7
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They probably won't be working in care homes much longer.
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29/03/2021 10:06:28 14 4
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You say it like it would be more detrimental to them and not to care homes. The sad reality is, care homes just can't afford to lose labour.
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29/03/2021 10:06:31 3 10
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Seems not a good result, does this study also indicate that around 40% after vaccination had little or no protection ?

Oh NOOOOOOOO !
121
29/03/2021 10:12:40 1 1
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getting more and more desperate.
125
29/03/2021 10:13:08 0 1
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No, you don't really understand the concepts....
19
29/03/2021 09:57:55 13 17
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Give up November to save Christmas.

Give up Christmas to save January.

Give up January, February and March to save Easter.

Give up Easter to save the summer.

Give up summer to save the Autumn.

Can anyone guess what's coming next...?

It never ends until WE say it does.
73
29/03/2021 10:06:31 0 2
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Give up November to save christmas was an error
no one ever said give up christmas to save january. christmas, january and february have been about saving lives, not saving easter.
At this point with only a week to go, you are allowed to visit your friends and family at Easter, albeit outside.
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29/03/2021 09:58:47 4 3
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If only some selfish country didn't sign the contract late but still demanded preferential treatment and stripping fellow Europeans from ability to be vaccinated.
74
29/03/2021 10:06:45 1 0
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Mose companies send out products in the order in which orders come in. These vaccine producers are private companies and not state owned. They are following normal commercial procedures and contracts.
75
29/03/2021 10:06:48 5 8
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It's good to know the UK vaccinated an average of 470,000 people every day in March despite the BBC's cup half empty panic about vaccine shortages.
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29/03/2021 10:11:54 1 0
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I think you may find it was the government who mentioned vaccine shortages. Even Daily Mail admitted that....

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9376259/Are-ministers-LYING-vaccine-supplies.html
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29/03/2021 10:18:54 0 0
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That would be the governments own documents the BBC and every newspaper was reporting on - if you want to knock the beeb pick the ones the papers aren’t all on board for- that’s just news
13
29/03/2021 09:56:43 12 19
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Why are we still in lockdown?
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PS
29/03/2021 10:06:59 0 0
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Why do you think?
56
29/03/2021 10:04:51 20 5
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Not really good news? U ok Hun?
77
29/03/2021 10:07:03 14 32
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38% unprotected. Don't they matter?
98
29/03/2021 10:09:22 26 8
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I think you need to get a grip.
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29/03/2021 10:26:23 7 0
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If they don't end up in hospital, have they not benefitted? Or is it only a benefit if covid cannot be detected at all?
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29/03/2021 11:12:51 3 0
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38% who still catch Covid, including asymptomatic and mild cases.
The vaccine still protects them as they may get less severe Covid than they would have otherwise.
990
29/03/2021 12:40:06 1 0
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That doesn't mean 62% being protected isn't good news. This is not a binary situation.
78
29/03/2021 10:07:08 149 2
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What this article does not report is the decrease in hospitalizations and deaths amongst this group of people. After all these two things are what the lock down is about. We need firm data on this. If people get mildly ill only and recover shortly afterwards I think that society can accept that (just as in the case for flu) and we should be able to re-open.
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29/03/2021 10:14:53 49 8
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We also need to know how many are going into hospital, and also those being treated for Covid. We don’t need to know those that have been in there for a month or are being treated for other health issues and just happen to have Covid.
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Bob
29/03/2021 10:43:11 1 0
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NHS provides data for that. You won't be able to know was the admission a vaccinated patient, but they provide data for care home admissions, and realistically their vaccine status is irrelevant to restrictions, the total stress and pressure is.
334
29/03/2021 10:48:21 1 11
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One word: 'mutations'.
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29/03/2021 11:14:12 2 0
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Public Health England and Public Health Scotland ongoing whole population studies track the vaccines effectiveness at reducing deaths. For those aged 80+ it is about 80%.
717
29/03/2021 11:45:05 6 5
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Exactly.
So why the very very slow exit from lockdown with so many caveats?
The new police state will inevitably not relinquish its powers without a fight. Power always goes to peoples’ heads. Always.
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Kev
29/03/2021 12:01:07 6 1
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Agree. Also we need more/better data on: a) How many of the population have already had CV19 - this is something that really is lacking, and b) now that the death figures are going down (thankfully!) there needs to be more clarity over which ones were CV19, and which were natural/accidental. The "within 28 days" thing is surely a bit too broad brush now that numbers are small.
29/03/2021 19:18:41 0 0
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they didn't mention it because they were just reporting on the results.
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29/03/2021 10:04:06 80 7
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I prefer to take advice from those with medical qualifications rather than the online "medical experts" who were "experts in Europen trade last year".
79
29/03/2021 10:07:19 9 2
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Did Boris listen to the experts with medical qualifications....???
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29/03/2021 11:23:25 6 1
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Yes.

Next...
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29/03/2021 10:00:18 14 10
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So the 140,000 dead is a good result in your opinion? Are you completely mad?
80
29/03/2021 10:07:31 3 0
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And we all know that had Corbyn and company won in December 2019, that death toll would be millions, with no vaccine available, as Corbyn couldn't manage a paper bag and the country wouldn't have developed a vaccine or would be unable to get its hands on any due to being stuck in the failed EU vaccination programme.
81
29/03/2021 10:05:42 1 9
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Matt Hancock just suggested we may need a third jab for variants. With flu jabs etc we will end up with more vaccs in our systems than blood !
100
29/03/2021 10:09:30 0 1
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Or we can extend the lockdown forever....
102
29/03/2021 10:10:02 2 0
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yeah, two 5ml jabs a year amid nearly 4 litres of blood
312
29/03/2021 10:44:24 0 0
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Shows how little you know.
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29/03/2021 10:02:00 4 3
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Thank you for this message from Conservative Party HQ!
82
29/03/2021 10:05:46 3 0
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Well, there aren't any messages coming out of the moribund Labour Party HQ!
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29/03/2021 10:03:05 23 24
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Last Christmas when no one had been vaccinated? Or during the eat out to help hour scheme when no one had been vaccinated?
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29/03/2021 10:07:57 31 28
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They are urging to open up with less than 50% of the population receiving their FIRST dose which provides a 62% reduction. so if 38% of this 50% are still unprotected then that means that 69% of the UK population are still at risk.... not great figures now are they
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29/03/2021 10:12:36 8 7
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Figures alone will not give you a picture, they need to be interpreted by scientists with real knowledge. That is what is happening with the giernment advisers.
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29/03/2021 10:24:19 10 2
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Considering the 50% yet to be vaccinated were always at low risk of serious illness, and the 38% not given full protection from the vaccine are likely to see a reduction in seriousness of infection. It's surely not as bad as that.
Now is still too soon, but waiting for 100% of people to have both doses is unduly cautious
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29/03/2021 10:30:34 10 6
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Give it a rest will you - 69% of the population can handle Covid with their own immune system - if they can't then they would have had the jab by now anyway.
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29/03/2021 10:31:05 5 3
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No it doesn’t mean that at all. This is protection from even being infected, the protection against serious illness or death is much higher. Almost 60% of adults have had their first dose now.
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29/03/2021 11:20:35 4 0
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But not all age groups are equally vulnerable, so a linear extrapolation doesn't work.
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29/03/2021 10:02:32 3 4
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Does any authoritative report/study claim that vaccination prevents onward transmission? I haven't seen one. I don't expect to.
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29/03/2021 10:07:57 1 0
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No, you won't find one. Though plenty of evidence that transmissions gets slowed down with vaccinations.

Two different concepts some might hard to understand.
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LEO
29/03/2021 10:08:04 2 4
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If all we can get now is the equivalent to a bit of Flu (given that we stay Vaccinated) - then HAPPY DAYS.

Mutations will be watched for - need to build more than adequate Vaccination Laboratories' ………….. become a World Leader.

We'll make a lot of Friends if we have a Vaccine in our Back Pocket.
148
29/03/2021 10:16:21 3 0
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probably make more friends by distributing a vaccine rather than keeping it in back pocket
28
29/03/2021 09:59:46 74 33
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saddens me greatly to see so many of the selfish comments about getting 'their lives back' and not about celebrating saving the lives of their (often elderly) loved ones
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PS
29/03/2021 10:08:07 14 9
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And the alternative? Walk around in a completely depressed state for 6 months. Move on and look forward please.
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29/03/2021 09:59:46 74 33
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saddens me greatly to see so many of the selfish comments about getting 'their lives back' and not about celebrating saving the lives of their (often elderly) loved ones
87
29/03/2021 10:08:13 15 2
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Eldery people want their lives. Young people want their lives.
This doesn't make either group selfish
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29/03/2021 10:03:30 4 9
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We are getting there, close to the final hurdle. I just hope that people behave themselves and don't spoil all the effort that has been made.

Looks like victory over Covid and victory over the EU!
88
29/03/2021 10:08:23 6 5
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Yes we're victorious in having more deaths than any EU nation.
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29/03/2021 10:22:49 0 0
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Do we though? Do we really?

We don't know. However, its clear that the 'true' rate - i.e. people who actually died 'of' Covid, is much, much lower. For anyone dieing 'with' Covid, Covid is written as cause of death on the certificate. Its innacurate and misleading. Different countries are recording deaths differently. I bet that the UK isn't as bad as you think it is.....
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29/03/2021 10:44:13 0 0
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We will see after the 3rd wave and when they report their figures in a manner in which comparison is even shall we ?
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29/03/2021 10:46:30 0 0
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The fat lady hasn't sung yet
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29/03/2021 10:05:51 3 9
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Well how are Matt Hancock, PHE and the NHS going to kill thousands of the elderly by exporting their hospital acquired infections into care homes in the next wave?
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29/03/2021 10:08:47 1 0
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It's still happening according to this study.
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29/03/2021 10:07:26 1 6
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Well done UCL. As always, as we have come to expect, excellent research and analysis.
Anyone recall the TB vaccine program in the 1960s?
Millions of people were tested to see if they needed the TB jab. No one just got it.

So, UCL, how about it? Your next mission: devise a test to determine who actually needs a COVID jab that will only [might] suppress the symptoms for a few months.
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29/03/2021 10:01:56 1 6
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My advice to the gov't is to keep certain sections of the population (those that contribute the least to economic activity!!) in a permanent state of lockdown!!

There will be obvious benefits to public health, the environment, crime and public order with little impact on our economic recovery!!!

And it will allow the rest of us to go about rebuilding the country in peace!!!
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29/03/2021 10:08:02 67 18
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Every single study to date has shown 1 shot of vaccines approved in U.K. are over 99% effective stopping serious illness and/or death from covid.

The 60-80% effacey rates quoted are effectiveness at stopping infection.
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29/03/2021 10:11:57 33 56
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Not true, none of your statements are correct.
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29/03/2021 11:18:51 2 0
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For people aged 80+ about 80% effective at preventing serious illness/death according to Public Health England whole population study.
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29/03/2021 11:22:51 1 12
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Pfizer trial facts: 0.74% of unvaccinated group subsequently 'had covid' (by presenting 1 or more symptoms) & 0.04% in the vaccinated group. Less than 1% of participants had covid & 99% weren't effected. This shows that the relative efficacy value of 95% is misleading ((0.04/0.74)-1). Maybe the vaccine risk is worth taking if you're old & unwell but for the majority I don't think it stacks up.
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LEO
29/03/2021 10:04:32 10 6
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YES ……. but what about the METEOR !!!! lol

We have to worry about something ………….. after Covid, the Weather just doesn't cut it. :-)
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29/03/2021 10:08:55 5 17
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I think you will find it will, they are going to ramp up the fear of climate change.
And they will leverage their new found powers to "avoid" "climate disaster".
All those that so readily gave away their freedoms have sold us all down the river.
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QED
29/03/2021 10:28:16 2 1
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Please stop spreading fear of idiotic conspiracy theories, you will be able to go out and socialise soon, hopefully this will help you recover.
Last year we set out to avoid the creaking NHS collapsing under the strain.

Even more proof now that the 'death pool' has been made safe from hospitalisation, so no more excuses for a full and immediate opening of society.
Removed
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29/03/2021 10:08:58 0 0
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Great plan, give the over 50s the jab and then see if you can infect them before the immune response kicks in to pack the hospitals again
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29/03/2021 09:59:32 2 7
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Switched off at: "a study suggests..". It's a binary scientific study. You sound\report this like, The Sun.
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Jaf
29/03/2021 10:09:04 1 0
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A binary study would report 0% or 100%.

This one goes with "56% rising to 62%"
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Ian
29/03/2021 10:06:08 96 36
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????????????????????????????????????????????????

More great news about the vaccine making care homes safer

Meanwhile the French foreign minister says Britain will struggle to source second Covid-19 jabs. It's clear now that the EU is just making anti-British propaganda and obstructions at every opportunity.

I voted remain but this whole incident has blackened my view of the EU.
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29/03/2021 10:08:51 38 4
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It was all going well until it got politicised.
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29/03/2021 10:15:32 20 12
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The EU politicised the issue. The EU is not a force for good. I am not satisfied with just leaving it. I 2want to break it up so it can reform as something sensible, you now, like a simple trading area. Without the Euro
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29/03/2021 09:52:46 174 70
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So clearly the vaccine works.

If this is the case could all those who are panic stricken about returning to normality, give it a rest.
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29/03/2021 10:09:20 36 30
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... too many of the public are panic stricken by continuous covid news. The Government has done a brilliant of installing fear and most of it is unnecessary and frankly made up. It's sunny outside go out, it's safe out there!
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29/03/2021 10:38:22 2 5
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30M people (half the population) are now vaccinated which means they are only spreading the virus with an R value of below 0.5. The natural R is 4 - 5. So without some measures the R will rise above 1 and with it the risk of a vaccine resistant mutation emerging is increased.
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29/03/2021 10:07:03 14 32
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38% unprotected. Don't they matter?
98
29/03/2021 10:09:22 26 8
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I think you need to get a grip.
13
29/03/2021 09:56:43 12 19
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Why are we still in lockdown?
99
29/03/2021 10:09:28 3 0
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Probably because of people like you.
29/03/2021 14:19:43 0 0
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Hahaha!
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29/03/2021 10:05:42 1 9
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Matt Hancock just suggested we may need a third jab for variants. With flu jabs etc we will end up with more vaccs in our systems than blood !
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29/03/2021 10:09:30 0 1
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Or we can extend the lockdown forever....