Coronavirus: EU stops short of vaccine export ban
26/03/2021 | news | world | 1,403
The bloc tells AstraZeneca to honour its EU contracts but backs global supply chains.
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26/03/2021 10:36:30 180 12
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UK - 44.7 out of 100 vaccinated
EU - 12.9 out of 100 vaccinated

Those figures speak for themselves.
Thus, Macron has finally admitted the EU rollout has been appalling
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26/03/2021 10:40:22 189 13
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Macron's ridiculous attitude toward the UK and the fake claims against vaccine has also been appalling. France will be going in and out of lockdown for some time to come, as a lot of the population just don't trust it.
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26/03/2021 10:43:36 40 1
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Macron praised the USA for their vaccine rollout. He omitted mentioning near neighbour the UK in the same breath.

I don’t think he likes us!
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26/03/2021 10:45:09 7 15
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Are the figures comparable? Is it first dose only or 1 & 2 dose in the EU and only 1 dose in the UK. Personally I think the UK dose schedule is the right way forward but I do want to be sure we’re comparing apples with apples when we use stats.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:48:04 4 23
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Yes, those figures illustrate perfectly the effects of AZ not delivering to the EU. Did the contracts say there was a first come first served clause ?
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26/03/2021 11:05:16 5 11
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EU vaccine export so far: over 40m doses.
UK vaccine export so far: 0

Speaks volumes too. Bit rich of the UK to accuse the EU of vaccine nationalism.
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26/03/2021 11:36:34 0 11
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In the EU, when you get vaccinated with the first dose you know that you will get the second dose of the same vaccine at the prescribed time frame. In the UK you get the first dose and hope for the best.
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26/03/2021 11:54:15 5 0
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Living in France I can tell you that over the last few days the French are getting fed up with his lies and excuses and are praising Britain for the way the vaccination is going
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26/03/2021 12:22:46 1 0
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Too many comments look like FIFA-18, while this is Covid-19. Hope the world is vaccinated soon.
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26/03/2021 12:30:51 5 1
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A quick look at the curve for proportion vaccinated v time for this country suggests that the EU is where we were in early February. Given that they signed later than us, approved later than us, etc, it seems that they are making reasonable progress. The issue is only one of timing. Trust the politicians to blow it up out of all proportion!
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26/03/2021 12:50:39 0 1
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It saddens me to read all the comments that gloats at the lack of vaccines in the EU.
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26/03/2021 13:07:06 0 1
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It's almost as if it is easier to produce enough vaccines for a country of 68mil than for a bloc of 450mil...

Surely that's the EU's fault.
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26/03/2021 13:18:15 0 2
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480 million to 58 million. 30 million vaccines exported from the EU to the UK zero from the UK to anywhere, but don't say thanks to those "foreigners".
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26/03/2021 10:37:48 135 4
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The EU's approach to the vaccination rollout has been nothing short of abysmal.

They need to quit the politics and get the masses vaccinated
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TJ
26/03/2021 10:42:20 129 3
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France wants to flame Anglophobia. The EU wants to blame AZ. Germans want Biontech jabs because politicans undermined AZ. Simple problem - they messed it up and just need to get on top of their own plans and stop throwing stuff at the fan. Aren't politicians sometimes awaful!?
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26/03/2021 13:11:37 0 0
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east europe has poor healthcare
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26/03/2021 10:38:15 11 2
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Proof of their ability of people who love the sounds of their own voices to organise anything
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26/03/2021 10:43:05 1 14
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Easy to be greedy when you only have one country to consider and not 27. ;)
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26/03/2021 10:38:20 15 4
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EU needs to get it's act together, quickly.
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26/03/2021 10:38:40 160 6
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EU, when Jean-Claude Juncker tells you that you are doing it wrong, then you really must be doing it wrong. Even he can see the reputational damage you are doing to yourselves.
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26/03/2021 11:07:45 30 149
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The EU has not banned anything! All they want is AZ to come good on its promises. Having paid ~$390 upfront to AZ for vaccine delivery, I think they have the right to expect AZ to deliver their contract.
26/03/2021 18:05:56 0 1
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My God, I really hope the lot of you don't represent the morale stock of the British .
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26/03/2021 10:38:45 8 2
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#italexit
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26/03/2021 10:39:16 148 12
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It has been said that with the AZ vaccine, the EU is trying to have its cake and not eat it.
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26/03/2021 11:37:03 130 6
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The EU's handling of Covid has been an utter fiasco.

Their rubbishing the AZ vaccine just to rub the UK's nose in it was a particularly low point - unbelievable. People will literally die as a result of Macron's propaganda, and even now he can't bring himself to congratulate the UK on its vaccine rollout, only the US for "shooting for the stars", even though ours has been better! Sour grapes.
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26/03/2021 10:39:32 3 12
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If only we had some sort of common market.............
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26/03/2021 10:41:32 4 2
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Yes, a common market and a common vaccination programme - that would have really helped our roll-out wouldn't it?
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26/03/2021 10:39:41 81 10
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Best thing the UK can do is tell all Big Pharma companies that they are open for business and will under no circumstances block trade. Hopefully some will relocate over here.
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26/03/2021 12:10:14 8 54
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Why? That would be a lie. The UK has been blocking exports of medicines since the end of last year, and pharma companies know it.

https://www.theweek.co.uk/951807/uk-quietly-slapped-restrictions-on-covid-medicine-to-eu
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26/03/2021 12:28:42 5 7
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Pretty funny when people downvote objective facts, because it hurts their feelings.

So much for strong global Britain.
26/03/2021 15:36:19 1 1
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They will just have to move their CEOs into Hancocks neighbourhood and they are sorted.
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26/03/2021 10:39:43 183 11
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We need the EU to get their act together on this and to stop all the political posturing. The sooner all Brits and Europeans are vaccinated, the sooner this corner of the world can move to the new normal.
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26/03/2021 10:41:29 102 1
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you can't make sensible comments like that on here, where will it all end! :)
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26/03/2021 11:24:06 4 4
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We also need to get the whole world vaccinated, Brazil could produce new mutants. Brits should be aware that eastern europe is suffering the highest per capita death rates. How about more cooperation to save lives as vulnerable groups are vaccinated already in UK and USA but hardly in the EU? 1/3 of all EU produced vaccines are also exported, 1/4 go to the UK.
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26/03/2021 11:28:27 7 11
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I agree. I'm glad the EU abstained from any bans as it wouldn't be helpful. It is clear by looking all over the world that massive up-scaling of vaccine production is what is needed. It would make sense to work together, but of course politicians abuse it to further their own agendas. BJ is not innocent of this.
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26/03/2021 11:51:56 0 1
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As long as it's moving to normal. We don't need a "new normal".
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26/03/2021 13:11:09 1 4
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USA has vaccinated its population so has UAE ...EU is a joke
26/03/2021 15:20:34 0 2
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Why should everyone get vaccinated when only the elderly and sick are at risk of mild to sever issues. We do not force everyone to have the flu vaccine every year and the flu kills exactly the same old and sick people each year. It's time main stream media stopped all the scare mongering about Corona. On one side they say your safe after the vaccine so give it to the old and sick.
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26/03/2021 10:39:49 27 7
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No surprise. They were never going to cut off their own noses. Time they owned up to their own errors and stopped blaming everyone else.
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26/03/2021 10:39:53 105 10
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If they actually used the AZ vaccine they had, and had no vaccine to put in peoples arms, then we might have more sympathy.

They have messed up big time due to adhering to EU "Super state" doctrine.

What do you think they would have said if the situation had been reversed ?

" You voted for Brexit - you must accept the consequences!
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26/03/2021 11:30:03 4 36
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Astra is being vaccinated, read some non english papers.
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26/03/2021 13:02:42 2 1
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We use AZ in the EU. Period.
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26/03/2021 10:36:30 180 12
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UK - 44.7 out of 100 vaccinated
EU - 12.9 out of 100 vaccinated

Those figures speak for themselves.
Thus, Macron has finally admitted the EU rollout has been appalling
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26/03/2021 10:40:22 189 13
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Macron's ridiculous attitude toward the UK and the fake claims against vaccine has also been appalling. France will be going in and out of lockdown for some time to come, as a lot of the population just don't trust it.
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26/03/2021 10:50:18 27 1
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Worse, the French vaccine failed, and the other one being developed is being funded by the UK government not the French... Factory being built in Scotland should it all work. Will they then try and confiscate all of those, or demand their 'fair share' of something they couldn't be bothered to fund up front?
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26/03/2021 10:47:39 9 0
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And the very unfortunate result is 80% of French people now saying they won't take the AZ vaccine.
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26/03/2021 10:40:29 38 9
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maybe the EU should ask for SUPPORT FROM THE UK and advice on how to roll out the Vaccine in Europe.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:51:24 5 23
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It's simple. You allow companies to break their contracts with foreigners.
26/03/2021 15:29:15 0 0
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Maybe the UK should have asked how to keep their death rate down, I don't deny they have done well with vaccinations (so that has restored a little British pride thankfully), but up to this point the UK has been one of the biggest monumental failures on a global scale in regards to COVID.
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26/03/2021 10:40:42 3 17
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India and US export bans in place. Let's see if Boris slags them off.
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26/03/2021 10:45:37 4 0
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When did Boris "slag off" the EU over their export ban? Show me an actual quote.
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26/03/2021 10:40:44 344 28
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Too many people don't seem to understand that companies make vaccines, not countries. The EU does not own Pfizer, Az or any other company's facilities. The EU lost out because it signed contracts 3 months too late and spent that time trying to push down costs. The UK signed a watertight contract, spent billions assisting R&D and put effort into ramping up production.
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26/03/2021 10:44:42 93 13
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They don't own them yet, but they have threatened to seize them.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:50:45 11 86
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You seem to know more about the contracts than anyone else, but how ? When the truth finally comes out I suspect AZ and the UK will be somewhat embarrassed. I reserve judgement.
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26/03/2021 11:03:37 70 4
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My question throughout this is that, if the EU believe that AZ have not honoured their contracts, why do not they use the recourse to law that exists in those contracts? The only reason that I can think of is that the EU realise that they would lose and thus heap themselves with more disgrace.
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26/03/2021 11:04:00 6 37
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You don't own Amazon, but if you order something from them, you enter into a contract. If they don't deliver, do you have the right to complain, ask for refund, sue them if they don't refund your money, etc. Of course you do. You don't seem to understand the nature of entering into a contract.
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26/03/2021 11:16:14 4 48
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"The EU does not own Pfizer, Az or any other company's facilities. " A simplistic and rather uninformed comment . They operate inside the EU with the support it provides and within its laws too. This means that they have obligations for that support. The UK is now out of this and as such provides only payment not support etc.
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26/03/2021 11:19:41 3 62
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Now lets look at your second comment "The UK signed a watertight contract, spent billions assisting R&D and put effort into ramping up production"..It signed that as a a nation in transition to leaving the EU and as such it too was part of the support etc provided by the EU. Now it has left and it signed a new agreement and it knows that changed its previous agreements .The UK is not above the law
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26/03/2021 11:37:59 7 13
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The EU lost out because they did not apply "vaccine nationalism" right from the start.
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26/03/2021 11:50:12 2 10
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The UK signed a contract not to export .
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26/03/2021 11:52:40 19 3
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Precisely. The EU have exported nothing, AZ based in the EU country have..

What tech company in their right mind would now base themselves in a country controlled in such a way where Contracts can arbitrarily be change/cancel. Not a great marketing opportunity is it!

At least when you deal with China you understand these restrictions, unlike dealing with the great 'free world'....
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26/03/2021 12:08:19 2 10
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Too many people don't seem to understand that national (and EU law) underpins contracts. The EU had the ability to block exports when the contract was signed. If AZ didn't understand this, they didn't do due diligence.

If the UK were behind in vaccination, and a factory in Wales was exporting to the EU, you can bet the UK gov would block them. They have that power too.

Sovereignty, eh.
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26/03/2021 12:21:12 2 6
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Here, they actually say that the UK contract was made a few days later than the EU. Also, what Matt Hancock said in that article is clearly nationalism. Doesn't seem like companies are totally independent.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html
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26/03/2021 12:35:59 8 0
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Start with bad management, put all your eggs in one basket (Sannofi) when that doesn't work start saying one of the succesful vaccines in no good (Macron) then whe the sh*t hits the fan start blaming everyone left, centre and right ban the sucesful vaccine for no reason, stop exports of the same vaccinr that you banned I mean can you write a better scenario for a movie?
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26/03/2021 12:52:53 1 3
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26/03/2021 13:06:52 1 4
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So did the EU spend billions and exported over 30 million doses to the UK and 77 million worldwide. The UK and US don't allow exports of vaccines! Don't say thanks to the EU for allowing it though. What a selfish attitude.
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26/03/2021 10:41:03 1 25
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126,000+ slow claps for me.
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26/03/2021 10:44:00 6 0
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94,000 slow hand claps for M Macron, then (and counting....)
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26/03/2021 10:39:43 183 11
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We need the EU to get their act together on this and to stop all the political posturing. The sooner all Brits and Europeans are vaccinated, the sooner this corner of the world can move to the new normal.
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26/03/2021 10:41:29 102 1
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you can't make sensible comments like that on here, where will it all end! :)
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26/03/2021 10:39:32 3 12
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If only we had some sort of common market.............
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26/03/2021 10:41:32 4 2
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Yes, a common market and a common vaccination programme - that would have really helped our roll-out wouldn't it?
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26/03/2021 10:41:33 53 4
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The EU not doing themselves any favours over this, they were 3 months behind the UK in signing contracts, this is a contractual dispute between the EU & a private company. Yet they seem to want to drag the UK Government into it. Acting like spoilt brats, throwing their toys out the pram for & blaming others for their own failings.
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26/03/2021 11:10:33 21 3
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They are talking to their own voters, without realising the voters are cleverer than the politicians.
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26/03/2021 12:55:52 3 1
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They're doing themselves favours with their voters, which is ultimately what matters. The UK voted to make it's opinion of the EU irrelevant.
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26/03/2021 13:10:00 2 3
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"they were 3 months behind the UK in signing"

The UK signed it's contract the day after the EU signed theirs.
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26/03/2021 10:41:35 72 7
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The EU delayed signing a contract because they wanted to negotiate a better price. Don't know if they got one but they did miss the boat and now they are moaning that they have missed the boat.
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26/03/2021 10:44:13 54 0
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Negotiate a better price on a vaccine that's produced at COST where the cost variation due to local material supply is less than 1$ on a $3-$4 total. Yep that makes sense and delivers real 'value'...
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26/03/2021 10:51:53 0 11
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And you know this how ?
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26/03/2021 12:38:47 1 4
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26/03/2021 10:41:46 25 3
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When the chips are down, ones true colours are revealed.
The EU spent so long procrastinating and trying to squeeze a dry lemon that now they’re struggling to do what it is they’re supposed to do in the first place - look after their citizens health.
Had they been more flexible at the outset everyone would be winning now!
In the meantime the tragedy unfolds and needless 1000’s more will die.
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26/03/2021 11:08:26 3 11
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Are you saying all this based on what media told you or based on your own experience? THINK!
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26/03/2021 10:42:02 4 1
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This isn't a UK or European pandemic, its global.

Until a global solution is achieved the pandemic won't be tackled. Wealthy western states will suffer both from a health and economic perspective, although not as badly as less wealth states.
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26/03/2021 10:47:10 4 0
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Global solution = a cheap effective vaccine easy to store made at cost for the world. And given in large numbers to poorest countries.

Which countries university invented it.
Which countries university insisted on at cost clause.
Which country is committed to free movement of all vaccines.
Which country didn’t haggle with prices but just got on with it.
Which country is helping the eu.......
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26/03/2021 10:42:18 6 1
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Finally. Sensible rhetoric from the EU. Maybe fewer Summits and more inclusive action was the best way forward all along.
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26/03/2021 10:37:48 135 4
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The EU's approach to the vaccination rollout has been nothing short of abysmal.

They need to quit the politics and get the masses vaccinated
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26/03/2021 10:42:20 129 3
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France wants to flame Anglophobia. The EU wants to blame AZ. Germans want Biontech jabs because politicans undermined AZ. Simple problem - they messed it up and just need to get on top of their own plans and stop throwing stuff at the fan. Aren't politicians sometimes awaful!?
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26/03/2021 10:48:50 5 18
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Anglophobia !?! Have you seen the UK tabloids ?
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26/03/2021 13:01:08 4 2
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France & the UK have never got on historically. Despite saving them from being part of the German Empire (alongside other Allies) they just don't like us. They havent forgotten about Agincourt still for a start & they clearly dont like Brits or a Brit team winning TDF.
26/03/2021 14:58:09 1 1
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Please stop crying like a little girl !! the french are not anglophobic but you are francophobic ... you don't know what's going on in france so stop saying anything about what you don't know ! and stop reading stupid tabloid..
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26/03/2021 10:42:23 36 3
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The EU got it wrong, even Juncker accepts that. Instead of throwing there weight around again the EU leaders need to admit they did too little, too late to get the vaccine rolled out to EU member countries.
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26/03/2021 11:21:15 25 1
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The EU also needs to admit that (according to the BBC and other sources) there are huge stockpiles of the AZ vaccine in France and Germany that are unused because of the lack of public confidence. So pushing AZ into delivering more doses won't solve the EU's roll-out problem. Could it be that certain officials are trying to divert attention?
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26/03/2021 13:36:50 0 0
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Indeed. If as suspected the EU are behind the UK with the spread of the new variant, then things will get far worse in Europe before they get better, and the more shots in arms they can do now the better. Even if that means you miss 2nd doses.

We know 1 dose can make a big difference to deaths/hospitalisations and given the nos we saw here, that alone could be a big success in EU if they act now
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26/03/2021 10:42:45 61 8
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You can't say you have exported the most vaccines when they are produced by private companies, and millions of key components are produced in countries being targeted.

The EU have been appalling in their attempts to find someone else to blame for their mistakes.

By the EU's flawed logic the UK has exported nearly all the Pfizer doses the EU so loves, and given the Oxford vaccine at cost.
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26/03/2021 10:47:24 71 3
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Bug mistake one is claiming they took time to negotiate the best price. That may be worthwhile on the Pfizer vaccine at around $25 a does, but for AZ, that is being produced at COST and local supply variations mean it only fluctuates between $3-$4 so what exactly were they saving? Nothing...

Yet they don't hammer Pfizer for profiteering in a pandemic.
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26/03/2021 10:42:59 17 5
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Typical reaction from an organisation that in its mind is always right, it is a pity that they did not place their orders earlier, but of course they do not follow logic so exoect to get their deliveries first.
Their attitude is very similar to China, who also believe they are never wrong and own the world.
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26/03/2021 10:43:21 9 12
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There is way too much anti-EU sentiment.

True there are some really annoying individuals (Macron, De Layton etc), but on the whole it’s going to be normal people trying to get on with lives same as us.

It is no ones interest to stoke up hatred of any kind. When will people (especially politicians) ever learn this. Oh wait, maybe it’s in their interest to have someone else to blame.
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26/03/2021 10:44:50 17 0
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Do you think there's too much anti-English sentiment? Or does it only work one way in your view?
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26/03/2021 10:47:54 5 0
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The way the EU have acted over this is disgraceful, this is a contractual dispute with Astrazenica, nothing to do with the UK Government but they are trying to make out it is. The UK has not blocked any exports, the UK signed contracts 3 months earlier & I believe on different terms, the pharma companies are just meeting those obligations.
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26/03/2021 10:48:51 3 0
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That'll be you barred from reading the Daily Express then. Hopefully the EU has realised what global pandemic means and will stop digging and find a way out of its self created private hole.
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26/03/2021 10:43:29 87 8
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The EU have mishandled every aspect of this. Finally we arrive at classic EU fudge. If they actually use the powers then it risks the UK blocking exports to them.

Hopefully we won't. We need to beat the virus and also it shows the world we are a reliable place to do business.
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26/03/2021 10:55:20 17 120
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AZ, a UK company, did efectively block its exports to the EU. How does that make the UK a reliable place to do business ? Take off the tabloid specs and think how this looks from abroad.
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26/03/2021 12:14:23 1 2
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The UK blocked exports of Covid medicines to the EU at the end of the last year. https://www.theweek.co.uk/951807/uk-quietly-slapped-restrictions-on-covid-medicine-to-eu

Worth far more money to pharma than the vaccine (produced at cost).
26/03/2021 15:07:32 0 0
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And if 'the EU' had negotiated and organised a better deal - and their percentage of vaccinated population was as 3 to 5 times that of UK that would be fine and dandy? Is that your position/principle
26/03/2021 16:43:16 0 0
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If the UK stopped exporting the lipoids needed by pfizer and AZ plants in Europe, then all production would, I understand, grind to a halt as only the UK and the US actually manufacture them
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26/03/2021 10:36:30 180 12
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UK - 44.7 out of 100 vaccinated
EU - 12.9 out of 100 vaccinated

Those figures speak for themselves.
Thus, Macron has finally admitted the EU rollout has been appalling
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26/03/2021 10:43:36 40 1
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Macron praised the USA for their vaccine rollout. He omitted mentioning near neighbour the UK in the same breath.

I don’t think he likes us!
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26/03/2021 10:47:02 27 0
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That's Macron for you, acting like a child, as usual
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26/03/2021 10:58:05 0 4
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I spent the early 90's in Germany, as you moved around Europe it used to be a would welcome us with open arms, mainly the older generations. Much as people don't like to hear it but we are seen as a thorn in the side for some of European neighbours.
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26/03/2021 11:00:36 10 0
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In fact, the French polulation doesn't like Macron, either. Least popular president they've ever had. My neighbours, all desperate to get vaccinated but unable to book appointments for jabs, think he's a complete fool.
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26/03/2021 12:04:21 3 0
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But France has the cheek to ask for our help in financially rescuing Eurostar - 55% French owned. You couldn't make it up.
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26/03/2021 10:43:53 107 5
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Would of thought Macron would be keeping his head down. The French company Sanofi took a large order and have failed to deliver.

All this bile directed at a company that has produced is out of order.

Should a regular booster be required the negotiations between AZ and the EU may be short
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26/03/2021 11:04:18 62 1
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Macron is under huge pressure at home. Politicians first instinct is self-preservation, so its inevitable they would turn on each other.
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26/03/2021 12:00:17 5 0
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Yes, I would imagine that AZ may not want to want to sign any new contracts with the EU after what they have been subjected to! If they do decide to sign a contact with the EU it's clear that the cost to the EU will be significantly more and the amount of doses promised in the contract will be significantly less.
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26/03/2021 14:15:06 3 0
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Your right i have seen no complaints from the EU to Sanofi for the 600million doses that were ordered.
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26/03/2021 10:44:09 64 4
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To me the photo at the top of this article shows a person reflecting on the fact that yet again she has failed in a monumental way. I expect Ursula is thinking, where do I go from here?
The answer is nowhere as the EU commission is the ultimate repository for all failed politicians.
26/03/2021 15:44:22 6 0
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Quite correct. Remember the Kinnocks.
26/03/2021 15:45:23 0 0
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Hogwash indeed!
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26/03/2021 18:06:13 0 0
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I think her first name to Useless would be a start, at least she keeps the initials
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26/03/2021 10:41:35 72 7
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The EU delayed signing a contract because they wanted to negotiate a better price. Don't know if they got one but they did miss the boat and now they are moaning that they have missed the boat.
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26/03/2021 10:44:13 54 0
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Negotiate a better price on a vaccine that's produced at COST where the cost variation due to local material supply is less than 1$ on a $3-$4 total. Yep that makes sense and delivers real 'value'...
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26/03/2021 10:43:21 9 12
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There is way too much anti-EU sentiment.

True there are some really annoying individuals (Macron, De Layton etc), but on the whole it’s going to be normal people trying to get on with lives same as us.

It is no ones interest to stoke up hatred of any kind. When will people (especially politicians) ever learn this. Oh wait, maybe it’s in their interest to have someone else to blame.
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26/03/2021 10:44:50 17 0
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Do you think there's too much anti-English sentiment? Or does it only work one way in your view?
36
26/03/2021 10:44:54 31 4
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What the EU doesn't seem to get in their heads is that the vaccine production is a multinational effort. The UK's made doses are paid for by the UK, even if they are made in the EU. This is a blame politics game (against the UK) that is only shooting themselves in the foot just to pass around the hot potato of their mess.
143
26/03/2021 10:56:11 17 0
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Mark Rutte gets it. He's very aware that Pfizer production in Holland cannot proceed without ingredients from the UK.
37
26/03/2021 10:44:56 61 5
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EU still using their AZ vaccine issue to deflect attention from their overall vaccine failure.
Easier to try to pin the whole mess on one part of the supply chain than it is for the EU leadership to take any personal responsibility and lose their jobs as a result.
111
26/03/2021 11:00:11 10 50
bbc
The bottom line is that there have been only two vaccines available until March 31. The Pfizer vaccine production has mostly respected its commitments, whereas Astra Zeneca has MASSIVELY undersupplied on its 90 million commitment, only delivering (it's hoped) 30 million. That explains the shortfall for the EU.
38
26/03/2021 10:45:02 13 1
bbc
If the EU continues for just a little longer with its bravado, Astro Zeneca will have sorted out their factories in NL and Belgium and they will be able to claim a huge victory. It would be ridiculous if it weren’t so important.
1
26/03/2021 10:36:30 180 12
bbc
UK - 44.7 out of 100 vaccinated
EU - 12.9 out of 100 vaccinated

Those figures speak for themselves.
Thus, Macron has finally admitted the EU rollout has been appalling
39
26/03/2021 10:45:09 7 15
bbc
Are the figures comparable? Is it first dose only or 1 & 2 dose in the EU and only 1 dose in the UK. Personally I think the UK dose schedule is the right way forward but I do want to be sure we’re comparing apples with apples when we use stats.
53
26/03/2021 10:49:58 12 1
bbc
Figures are comparable.
The most important thing is the number of people given some protection from vaccines.
If you have two doses do you treat one person or two people?
210
26/03/2021 11:20:56 2 0
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https://www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-vaccination-europe-by-the-numbers/ - this site shows total doses (so 1st plus 2nd). Currently the UK is at 46.79% on that measure and the EU at 14.35% (incidentally Gibraltar is at 165.85% (so lots of 2nd doses)) and Monaco is at 46.07%).
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:46:15 4 23
bbc
Once again the EU leaders agree a sensible way forward and the prophets of EU collapse are proven false.
Meanwhile AZ prepares to be sued for its breach of contract and hopes the UK government will back its poor decision.

Or you could believe the jingoist and xenophobic opinions in the tabloids.

It's your choice. Reality or foolishness.
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26/03/2021 10:51:05 15 0
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The only foolishness is from those who are so blinkered that they cannot recognise failure when it stares them in the face.

The EU vaccination strategy has failed and the UK strategy is succeeding. If you can't see that then I pity you, and your guide dog.
83
26/03/2021 10:54:41 2 0
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wake up and smell the coffee
97
26/03/2021 10:58:28 3 0
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No chance of A-Z being sued - read the contract! No international court except the ECJ would give a case house room. And the EU didn't agree a way forward - they fudged something as usual which member states are Ursula are spinning to suit their own audiences.
190
26/03/2021 11:05:39 0 0
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"Meanwhile AZ prepares to be sued for its breach of contract....."

Not holding my breath for that to happen!
41
26/03/2021 10:46:27 67 9
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Seizing and banning vaccine that doesn't belong to you, that sounds legal!
474
26/03/2021 12:11:10 10 27
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It is. The UK also has the power to block exports for the same reasons, and you could be sure they would using it if the shoe was on the other foot.
31
26/03/2021 10:43:36 40 1
bbc
Macron praised the USA for their vaccine rollout. He omitted mentioning near neighbour the UK in the same breath.

I don’t think he likes us!
42
26/03/2021 10:47:02 27 0
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That's Macron for you, acting like a child, as usual
27
26/03/2021 10:42:45 61 8
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You can't say you have exported the most vaccines when they are produced by private companies, and millions of key components are produced in countries being targeted.

The EU have been appalling in their attempts to find someone else to blame for their mistakes.

By the EU's flawed logic the UK has exported nearly all the Pfizer doses the EU so loves, and given the Oxford vaccine at cost.
43
26/03/2021 10:47:24 71 3
bbc
Bug mistake one is claiming they took time to negotiate the best price. That may be worthwhile on the Pfizer vaccine at around $25 a does, but for AZ, that is being produced at COST and local supply variations mean it only fluctuates between $3-$4 so what exactly were they saving? Nothing...

Yet they don't hammer Pfizer for profiteering in a pandemic.
364
26/03/2021 11:42:45 2 1
bbc
Regarding the cheap price of the AZ some interesting thoughts. Please note that the jab is produced as "no profit " but also "no loss" basis. The initial jab estimate was $3-$4 as you said, but since the factories under produced 1/3 of estimated while the cost per production line remained the same, then the actual cost per jab is three times higher than this .
769
26/03/2021 13:28:29 1 3
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"mistake one is claiming they took time to negotiate the best price. "

EU signed their contract the day before the UK did. What took the UK so long?
44
26/03/2021 10:47:27 97 12
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The EU has not covered itself in glory over vaccination. Poor and late contracting, naïve optimism on manufacturing & research, foolish comments from some member state leaders, a desire to not be shown up by a recently Brexited UK and then culminating with this protectionist plan to drag the UK down to their level, only to cover up their own failures.

So glad we are out.
528
26/03/2021 12:23:45 4 28
bbc
Scapegoat is the word you are looking for!
However, I like to think that if we had still been members we could have got them to be more sensible.
712
26/03/2021 13:06:01 0 4
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Your gloating isn't really a nice trait as a human being.
736
26/03/2021 13:12:15 0 2
bbc
The EU signed it's contract the day before the UK.
29
26/03/2021 10:43:21 9 12
bbc
There is way too much anti-EU sentiment.

True there are some really annoying individuals (Macron, De Layton etc), but on the whole it’s going to be normal people trying to get on with lives same as us.

It is no ones interest to stoke up hatred of any kind. When will people (especially politicians) ever learn this. Oh wait, maybe it’s in their interest to have someone else to blame.
45
26/03/2021 10:47:54 5 0
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The way the EU have acted over this is disgraceful, this is a contractual dispute with Astrazenica, nothing to do with the UK Government but they are trying to make out it is. The UK has not blocked any exports, the UK signed contracts 3 months earlier & I believe on different terms, the pharma companies are just meeting those obligations.
1
26/03/2021 10:36:30 180 12
bbc
UK - 44.7 out of 100 vaccinated
EU - 12.9 out of 100 vaccinated

Those figures speak for themselves.
Thus, Macron has finally admitted the EU rollout has been appalling
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:48:04 4 23
bbc
Yes, those figures illustrate perfectly the effects of AZ not delivering to the EU. Did the contracts say there was a first come first served clause ?
52
26/03/2021 10:49:58 21 1
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Thought they had millions of doses of OxAZ vaccine stockpiled in Italy & across europe
82
26/03/2021 10:54:16 22 2
bbc
No it doesn't, the EU have bad mouthed AZ so much that their citizens are sceptical and as such are reluctant to get vaccinated. They do though, have millions of unused vaccine viles in stock and seem to store even more
407
26/03/2021 11:49:07 2 0
bbc
It helps if you use the vaccine you already have, terrible leadership from EU
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TJ
26/03/2021 10:42:20 129 3
bbc
France wants to flame Anglophobia. The EU wants to blame AZ. Germans want Biontech jabs because politicans undermined AZ. Simple problem - they messed it up and just need to get on top of their own plans and stop throwing stuff at the fan. Aren't politicians sometimes awaful!?
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:48:50 5 18
bbc
Anglophobia !?! Have you seen the UK tabloids ?
283
26/03/2021 11:24:44 10 2
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I don't see anyone in the UK refusing the Pfizer jab because it is German. Yet 80% of EU citizens now saying they won't have the AZ.
29
26/03/2021 10:43:21 9 12
bbc
There is way too much anti-EU sentiment.

True there are some really annoying individuals (Macron, De Layton etc), but on the whole it’s going to be normal people trying to get on with lives same as us.

It is no ones interest to stoke up hatred of any kind. When will people (especially politicians) ever learn this. Oh wait, maybe it’s in their interest to have someone else to blame.
48
26/03/2021 10:48:51 3 0
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That'll be you barred from reading the Daily Express then. Hopefully the EU has realised what global pandemic means and will stop digging and find a way out of its self created private hole.
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Em
26/03/2021 10:49:00 6 1
bbc
Appropriate unelected leader of the Evil Empire.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:52:56 0 5
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Unelected ? The vote was in July 2019. Try to keep up.
745
26/03/2021 13:14:52 1 0
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MEPs were given a choice of just one person... Just like North Korea.
No manifesto, no campaign, no scrutiny by the people at large, not popular vote. And she has no idea... Hardly democracy... just a rubber stamping of an appointment made behind closed doors
50
26/03/2021 10:49:16 7 1
bbc
Remember...

Its not an export ban ??

Its a...

???Export Authorisation Mechanism???

Got it? ??
103
26/03/2021 10:59:40 2 0
bbc
haha
500
26/03/2021 12:17:14 0 0
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It's less strict than the export ban the UK quietly put in place (for medicines) at the end of last year https://www.theweek.co.uk/951807/uk-quietly-slapped-restrictions-on-covid-medicine-to-eu

Wonder why you haven't heard of that.
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jk
26/03/2021 10:49:16 47 3
bbc
Surely the EU can come up with someone more capable than European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen ?
76
26/03/2021 10:53:08 39 2
bbc
Sure. They would be better off with a houseplant.
90
26/03/2021 10:56:53 6 3
bbc
More like Useless von der Lying!
141
26/03/2021 10:54:08 7 1
bbc
I never would have thought anyone could make Junker look good.....
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Mal
26/03/2021 11:20:52 7 1
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Not so, she typifies the EU perfectly.
849
26/03/2021 14:00:52 0 1
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the trouble is no one voted these people in ,so how do you get them out if they dont do the job ?
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:48:04 4 23
bbc
Yes, those figures illustrate perfectly the effects of AZ not delivering to the EU. Did the contracts say there was a first come first served clause ?
52
26/03/2021 10:49:58 21 1
bbc
Thought they had millions of doses of OxAZ vaccine stockpiled in Italy & across europe
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JM
26/03/2021 11:15:54 1 5
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Yes, they have. It,s 29 million of them hidden by AZ and destined for the UK, while at the same time telling that they had production problems.
39
26/03/2021 10:45:09 7 15
bbc
Are the figures comparable? Is it first dose only or 1 & 2 dose in the EU and only 1 dose in the UK. Personally I think the UK dose schedule is the right way forward but I do want to be sure we’re comparing apples with apples when we use stats.
53
26/03/2021 10:49:58 12 1
bbc
Figures are comparable.
The most important thing is the number of people given some protection from vaccines.
If you have two doses do you treat one person or two people?
75
26/03/2021 10:52:59 16 3
bbc
Presumably if EU had gone down one dose route you would be able to double the rate per 1000000. Still demonstrates they have been slow to implement but perhaps not quite as slow. If they hadn’t questioned the OxAZ efficacy then perhaps they would be on a par. Implies the EU have been caught by their own indecision
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JPS
26/03/2021 10:50:04 25 2
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The UK has obviously been more nimble in it's responses to vaccination. All the EU rhetoric is for member states to politically smooth over the fact that the EU has not.
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MC
26/03/2021 10:57:48 5 17
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The UK created a contract that prevents any export of vaccines from the UK until everyone in the UK is vaccinated. The end result is that no vaccine doses will be exported from the UK at all. You appear to be of the impression that the means justifies the end here and that because it was done via a contract instead of via a direct export ban that this somehow makes it ok. The result is the same.
101
26/03/2021 10:59:24 2 0
bbc
Completely agree! Now they want the nimble tug boats to help out the oil tanker...
13
26/03/2021 10:40:22 189 13
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Macron's ridiculous attitude toward the UK and the fake claims against vaccine has also been appalling. France will be going in and out of lockdown for some time to come, as a lot of the population just don't trust it.
55
26/03/2021 10:50:18 27 1
bbc
Worse, the French vaccine failed, and the other one being developed is being funded by the UK government not the French... Factory being built in Scotland should it all work. Will they then try and confiscate all of those, or demand their 'fair share' of something they couldn't be bothered to fund up front?
80
26/03/2021 10:54:12 9 3
bbc
Just ban exports of this vaccine to EU but available to rest of world.

That may sting Macron into being a bit less unpleasant
56
26/03/2021 10:38:00 25 4
bbc
The EU is not fit for purpose. So glad we are out.
57
26/03/2021 10:39:06 6 2
bbc
Rule Britannia!
58
26/03/2021 10:40:07 7 2
bbc
Rejoice at our wonderful victory last night!!! The EU folded like napkins in the face of British resolve!!!

The calm but steely diplomacy of Raab, combined with the strategic genius of Gove was too much for the europeans!!!

Well done Dom and Mike!!! You both deserve knighthoods!!!!
746
26/03/2021 13:16:06 0 0
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What about Boris?
Did he not sort out the EU single handed?
59
26/03/2021 10:40:54 1 0
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Shambolic.
60
26/03/2021 10:42:13 1 12
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Anyone can look good on vaccine counts off the back of greed and capitalism.

Sadly, it isn't the way to run a progressive and world-leading country in the 21st century.

Best remove all that from your collective memory.
61
26/03/2021 10:42:32 81 4
bbc
26 million doses. That's how many they admit to having sitting in warehouses.

My mum used to say "you can't have any more until you finish what you've got."
425
26/03/2021 12:00:02 51 3
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And your Mum was spot on. This is all about control. The EU is behaving like a communist Behemoth. The first principle is disrupt production and then take it over.
530
26/03/2021 12:24:01 1 0
bbc
Hear hear
26/03/2021 15:31:55 0 1
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No, that's how many doses AZ is holding in its facilities in the EU and are refusing to hand over
What utter nonsense! AZ has not even managed to deliver that much to the EU. The 29million doses were found in an AZ Warehouse, which raised some questions regarding their destination. Did your mum not tell you to read past the headlines? Removed
62
26/03/2021 10:42:55 16 2
bbc
These clowns wouldn't dare impose ex post facto excise restrictions on a vaccine whose R&D was funded by the British Taxypayer to be licensed for manufacture and distribution at zero cost zero profit for the benefit of humanity. The threat was always impotent. They have now been slapped back into like and shamed.
514
26/03/2021 12:20:14 1 5
bbc
The law that allows these restrictions was in place when the contract was signed. A few weeks ago you lot were crowing that the EU should have signed a "stronger contract". Seems like it already had the teeth it needed.

Sovereignty, eh. They don't like it up 'em!
3
26/03/2021 10:38:15 11 2
bbc
Proof of their ability of people who love the sounds of their own voices to organise anything
63
26/03/2021 10:43:05 1 14
bbc
Easy to be greedy when you only have one country to consider and not 27. ;)
147
26/03/2021 11:07:54 3 0
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France realises now that it should have followed UK and ordered vaccines independently, but it held back because it expected to produce its own, which failed. It was the effort to act as one within the EU that has caused the shortages, delays and increased deaths.
217
26/03/2021 11:10:18 3 0
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Good job we left the EU then ;)
587
26/03/2021 12:31:03 1 0
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You mean easier to correctly manage when you don't create layers upon layers of manure on top of you. The US has 50 states, shows you how much a failed state Germany has become.
Removed
17
26/03/2021 10:41:03 1 25
bbc
126,000+ slow claps for me.
65
26/03/2021 10:44:00 6 0
bbc
94,000 slow hand claps for M Macron, then (and counting....)
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26/03/2021 10:40:44 344 28
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Too many people don't seem to understand that companies make vaccines, not countries. The EU does not own Pfizer, Az or any other company's facilities. The EU lost out because it signed contracts 3 months too late and spent that time trying to push down costs. The UK signed a watertight contract, spent billions assisting R&D and put effort into ramping up production.
66
26/03/2021 10:44:42 93 13
bbc
They don't own them yet, but they have threatened to seize them.
181
26/03/2021 11:15:05 42 1
bbc
Hopefully they wont seize the ones they found in that Italian warehouse bound for the Covax initiative.

I notice the EU has not put the record straight on that and confirmed NONE of these where vaccines destined for the UK.
448
26/03/2021 12:04:57 16 4
bbc
The EU are a disgrace
597
26/03/2021 12:37:14 0 0
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Can they run them though? Can they find someone willing to supply them with ingredients?
659
26/03/2021 12:53:13 1 0
bbc
That sounds like dictatorship to me !!
800
26/03/2021 13:41:22 2 0
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astra welcome to the uk if eu threaten you
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26/03/2021 10:40:44 344 28
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Too many people don't seem to understand that companies make vaccines, not countries. The EU does not own Pfizer, Az or any other company's facilities. The EU lost out because it signed contracts 3 months too late and spent that time trying to push down costs. The UK signed a watertight contract, spent billions assisting R&D and put effort into ramping up production.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:50:45 11 86
bbc
You seem to know more about the contracts than anyone else, but how ? When the truth finally comes out I suspect AZ and the UK will be somewhat embarrassed. I reserve judgement.
144
26/03/2021 11:07:41 48 5
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I think the truth is already out and your "judgement" will be that you refuse to criticise your beloved EU
176
26/03/2021 11:13:44 39 2
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Yeah I'd be really embarrassed at producing a vaccine that is then licensed for manufacture across the world at cost while the situation remains classified as a pandemic. I'm not sure I could show my face in public for making one of the design goals easy distribution in a fridge too.

If only we'd made it 10x the price and had to have some whizzy dry ice smoke everytime we opened a batch...
353
26/03/2021 11:47:41 21 3
bbc
No way near as embarrassed as the eu ministers should be. Especially Ursula and Macron. They were complaining before AZ vaccine had been approved and finally approved it 4 wks later than the uk. We had the fiasco of false claims of efficiency, age groups that could have it and finally that it caused clots. If I had been AZ I would have told the EU to get lost having caused such bad publicity
396
26/03/2021 11:43:59 16 2
bbc
Ridiculous point of view of a UK hater
699
26/03/2021 13:02:59 4 0
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What possible reason do you have for believing that the UK and Astra-Zeneca will be embarrassed?
815
26/03/2021 13:50:02 2 0
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Do you not think the Eu would just take them to court for breach of contract if they thought they had a leg to stand on? Rather than threatening to block exports and seize property of a company?
68
26/03/2021 10:50:53 135 10
bbc
The early bird catches the worm, the UK made a contractual commitment to purchase the vaccine in good time, the EU didn't, all of a sudden it's everybody else's fault and not theirs.??
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MC
26/03/2021 10:53:54 23 146
bbc
Nothing to do with time. AstraZeneca agreed to supply doses to the EU and has failed to do so. The timing of the UKs contract is completely irrelevant.
465
26/03/2021 12:09:19 0 0
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There is no standard in contract law of "first come first served".
709
26/03/2021 13:05:32 0 1
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The UK signed it's contract a day after the EU.
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KJ
26/03/2021 14:00:19 0 0
bbc
UK Contract signed 3 months before the EU got their act somewhat together. So why should the UK lose out when the rest of Europe is in tatters?
26/03/2021 15:03:55 1 0
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And if 'the EU' had negotiated and organised a better deal - and their percentage of vaccinated population was as 3 to 5 times that of UK that would be fine and dandy? Is that your position/principle?
26/03/2021 15:17:31 0 1
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Can't believe people are buying in to the nonsense being spouted by the UK press/gov. Anyone who liked this comment literally doesn't understand how business works, it isn't like queuing at Pound Stretcher for some toilet roll. If a business agreement is put in place then it should be honored, if not then a proportionate number should be made available to all parties basic supply chain directives.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:46:15 4 23
bbc
Once again the EU leaders agree a sensible way forward and the prophets of EU collapse are proven false.
Meanwhile AZ prepares to be sued for its breach of contract and hopes the UK government will back its poor decision.

Or you could believe the jingoist and xenophobic opinions in the tabloids.

It's your choice. Reality or foolishness.
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26/03/2021 10:51:05 15 0
bbc
The only foolishness is from those who are so blinkered that they cannot recognise failure when it stares them in the face.

The EU vaccination strategy has failed and the UK strategy is succeeding. If you can't see that then I pity you, and your guide dog.
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26/03/2021 10:40:29 38 9
bbc
maybe the EU should ask for SUPPORT FROM THE UK and advice on how to roll out the Vaccine in Europe.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:51:24 5 23
bbc
It's simple. You allow companies to break their contracts with foreigners.
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Mal
26/03/2021 11:22:09 3 0
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Perhaps you would explain in what way they broke a contract?
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26/03/2021 11:42:21 0 0
bbc
AZ has not broken their contract with the EU. If you take the time to read the contract, published by the EU, it says that AZ will use their best efforts to supply the vaccines - not the UK problem if Ursula allowed a contract with such terms in it to be signed without there being any penalty clause for failure to deliver.
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26/03/2021 10:41:35 72 7
bbc
The EU delayed signing a contract because they wanted to negotiate a better price. Don't know if they got one but they did miss the boat and now they are moaning that they have missed the boat.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:51:53 0 11
bbc
And you know this how ?
132
26/03/2021 11:05:09 9 0
bbc
Good grief, do you have a day job? You've spent all morning posting here. Just accept that your precious EU has made a total mess of this.
158
26/03/2021 11:10:27 7 0
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Because it has been said that they did this and they have even crowed about it themselves.
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Em
26/03/2021 10:51:58 28 5
bbc
Macron`s France will soon be back to normal. Main imports - Yellow vests and main exports - illegal migrants.
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26/03/2021 11:07:31 6 0
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????
26/03/2021 15:30:50 0 1
bbc
Ah good all this HYS was lacking was racist and now we have one, can things get any lower, doubtful.
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26/03/2021 10:52:44 10 3
bbc
So this is the EU’s response....

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said AstraZeneca must "catch up" on deliveries to the EU before exporting doses elsewhere.

A ban by a different name, nothing has changed.
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Em
26/03/2021 10:49:00 6 1
bbc
Appropriate unelected leader of the Evil Empire.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:52:56 0 5
bbc
Unelected ? The vote was in July 2019. Try to keep up.
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26/03/2021 11:06:10 2 0
bbc
Was Ursula on the ballot?
53
26/03/2021 10:49:58 12 1
bbc
Figures are comparable.
The most important thing is the number of people given some protection from vaccines.
If you have two doses do you treat one person or two people?
75
26/03/2021 10:52:59 16 3
bbc
Presumably if EU had gone down one dose route you would be able to double the rate per 1000000. Still demonstrates they have been slow to implement but perhaps not quite as slow. If they hadn’t questioned the OxAZ efficacy then perhaps they would be on a par. Implies the EU have been caught by their own indecision
84
26/03/2021 10:55:14 1 2
bbc
Too many zeros, rate per 100 000
99
26/03/2021 10:58:55 5 1
bbc
Yes, in light of the exploding case rates they need to replicate the UK strategy and get as many first doses as possible into arms.

But I suspect the EU being what it is, will rigidly stick to there current strategy even as it's being proved to be wrong.
256
26/03/2021 11:21:39 5 0
bbc
That's nonsense. Very few people in the EU have had a second dose.
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jk
26/03/2021 10:49:16 47 3
bbc
Surely the EU can come up with someone more capable than European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen ?
76
26/03/2021 10:53:08 39 2
bbc
Sure. They would be better off with a houseplant.
26/03/2021 17:05:28 0 0
bbc
Even amoeba would be better - its got more brain cells than the lot of them put together
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RC
26/03/2021 10:53:10 11 0
bbc
Like it or not we are all caught in this pandemic, UK, Europe.... Unless the numbers are controlled in the EU it will only be a matter of time before a new variant "Covid 20" sprouts up and lands on UK shores and we are all pushed into furtherlockdowns. Regardless of what your nationality, politically views are, we need to work together.
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26/03/2021 10:57:07 8 3
bbc
RC, work together? you mean like the EU sitting on their hands for months and then start throwing mud because they placed their "advanced purchasing agreements" months after the UK? perhaps they need to slim down and be more nimble! they messed up and then started slinging mud!
78
26/03/2021 10:53:32 5 2
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France has had a curfew for three months,

During that same time, rates have gone through the roof.

Maybe, just maybe, they should re-think the idea of the curfew.....
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26/03/2021 10:50:53 135 10
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The early bird catches the worm, the UK made a contractual commitment to purchase the vaccine in good time, the EU didn't, all of a sudden it's everybody else's fault and not theirs.??
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MC
26/03/2021 10:53:54 23 146
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Nothing to do with time. AstraZeneca agreed to supply doses to the EU and has failed to do so. The timing of the UKs contract is completely irrelevant.
93
26/03/2021 10:57:15 16 1
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Have you read the contract? Is it on an EU website?
115
26/03/2021 11:01:00 14 1
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Clearly you have read all the small print!
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26/03/2021 11:01:23 26 0
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Astra Zeneca agreed on 'best efforts' to supply, which it is doing. That's why the EU threatened legal action but didn't follow through-they were told they'd lose. In hindsight AZ should have apologised to the EU & said no supply was possible until 2022- & added a decent profit margin. They've been slandered by the EU & EU member countries for trying to help, forsaking profit, in a global pandemic
292
26/03/2021 11:34:54 9 0
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I suggest you read the AZ contract published by the EU - it only requires AZ to use it's best endeavours to supply the doses agreed.
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26/03/2021 11:36:44 12 0
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We signed a watertight agreement guaranteeing the first 100m doses produced in the UK stayed here. We did this three months before the EU pulled their finger out of God knows where and realised they needed to buy some vaccines.
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26/03/2021 11:40:03 6 12
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Actually the UK signed the contract 1 day later then the EU.
368
26/03/2021 11:50:39 2 0
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AZ is delivering to contract. EU could have invested in boosting EU production earlier like the UK did
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26/03/2021 11:56:41 1 0
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Of course it's relevant. As is the fact the EU tried to haggle about the price even though AZ is supplying it at cost.
436
26/03/2021 12:01:01 0 0
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Commerce dear boy, you really should have taken notice at school
479
26/03/2021 12:12:25 2 0
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They are making their best endeavours to produce a complicated vaccine at speed! If they can do it better get on with it.... perhaps they could use the French Pharma Sonafi....oops... forgot they already tried that...
504
26/03/2021 12:17:34 2 0
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Everything to do with time. Making biological products is as much an art as a science. Contracts cannot be that hard and fast in such a situation. In any case, they should have worked with the firm to increase production resources - as we did. And earlier - as we did.
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26/03/2021 12:35:04 0 0
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It hasn't failed to provide doses to the EU. It has been and continues to do so. The contract was on a "Best Reasonable Efforts" basis and all that has happened is that deliveries lag the projected schedule in the contract, which given the uncertainties, etc at the time the contract was signed, is not unreasonable.
807
26/03/2021 13:46:28 0 0
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great news if i see you in a queue anywhere i just jump in front of you and everything is fine
26/03/2021 14:53:25 0 0
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You are possibly correct. The timings of the contract may well be irrelevant, However, the content isn't as the EU have discovered.
26/03/2021 15:20:19 0 0
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100% correct, basic business/supply chain rules. First come first served may exist in the school dinner queue, but in this scenario if AZ cannot honor all of it's agreements then it would generally be expected to provide a percentage of agreed doses to all parties. The BBC HYS is just so disappointing when you see quite how many clueless idiots there are in the UK.
26/03/2021 15:53:08 0 0
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Rubbish ... utter fake news
26/03/2021 17:38:02 0 0
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If I ordered and paid for a new car in March and turned up to collect it in July I would not be at all pleased to find that someone who ordered in June and had only paid half the deposit was going to get theirs before me. In fact I would absolutely furious, Wouldn't you? Exactly the same with the vaccine and the EU, timing is everything
AK
26/03/2021 17:59:11 0 0
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You really do write a load of sphericals, AZ would have agreed a timescale that began when the contract was signed not when the negotiations started. In the meantime during the negotiations they were ramping up their production capability to supply the UK who signed earlier in May 2020. No company would commit to a schedule without a contract but the EU seem to think so, what a load of idiots.
26/03/2021 19:03:13 0 0
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It has everything to do with time you fool, if I order my chips before you I get served my chips before you! does that not make any sense to you because I am sure best endeavours to deliver which is in the UK and EU contracts with AZ would not make an iota of sense to you!
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26/03/2021 10:50:18 27 1
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Worse, the French vaccine failed, and the other one being developed is being funded by the UK government not the French... Factory being built in Scotland should it all work. Will they then try and confiscate all of those, or demand their 'fair share' of something they couldn't be bothered to fund up front?
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26/03/2021 10:54:12 9 3
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Just ban exports of this vaccine to EU but available to rest of world.

That may sting Macron into being a bit less unpleasant
664
26/03/2021 12:53:50 0 1
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What a way to treat neighbours. Thank you for your humanity. I will tell my two brothers who are paramedics you said hi. Also, they would risk a lot if you needed medical care here.

We are in this together.
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26/03/2021 10:54:14 26 3
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The EU does not export. The companies export products based on orders/supply contracts.

The world works with Global Supply Chain so it doesn’t matter where it is produced. The important factors here are when the contracts were signed and agreed.

UK committed early the EU did not.

That is the issue VDL is hiding and using UK as a scapegoat because it works in Europe.
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26/03/2021 12:25:56 3 13
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Contracts are based on national (and EU) law. The rules allowing the EU to block exports were in place when the contract was signed.

If the UK was behind on vaccination and a factory was exporting the EU, the UK wouldn't hesitate to block it. Just like they've been blocking medicines for treating Covid since the end of last year.

Sovereignty, eh. They don't like it up 'em!
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:48:04 4 23
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Yes, those figures illustrate perfectly the effects of AZ not delivering to the EU. Did the contracts say there was a first come first served clause ?
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26/03/2021 10:54:16 22 2
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No it doesn't, the EU have bad mouthed AZ so much that their citizens are sceptical and as such are reluctant to get vaccinated. They do though, have millions of unused vaccine viles in stock and seem to store even more
333
26/03/2021 11:43:27 4 0
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how many people to I need to tell? Vials not viles .... Vile is Macron and VDL !
670
26/03/2021 12:54:55 0 1
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Where do you get from. In my country we use the few AZ doses without anyone saying no.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:46:15 4 23
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Once again the EU leaders agree a sensible way forward and the prophets of EU collapse are proven false.
Meanwhile AZ prepares to be sued for its breach of contract and hopes the UK government will back its poor decision.

Or you could believe the jingoist and xenophobic opinions in the tabloids.

It's your choice. Reality or foolishness.
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26/03/2021 10:54:41 2 0
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wake up and smell the coffee
75
26/03/2021 10:52:59 16 3
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Presumably if EU had gone down one dose route you would be able to double the rate per 1000000. Still demonstrates they have been slow to implement but perhaps not quite as slow. If they hadn’t questioned the OxAZ efficacy then perhaps they would be on a par. Implies the EU have been caught by their own indecision
84
26/03/2021 10:55:14 1 2
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Too many zeros, rate per 100 000
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26/03/2021 10:43:29 87 8
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The EU have mishandled every aspect of this. Finally we arrive at classic EU fudge. If they actually use the powers then it risks the UK blocking exports to them.

Hopefully we won't. We need to beat the virus and also it shows the world we are a reliable place to do business.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:55:20 17 120
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AZ, a UK company, did efectively block its exports to the EU. How does that make the UK a reliable place to do business ? Take off the tabloid specs and think how this looks from abroad.
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26/03/2021 11:03:16 34 0
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AZ is not a UK company, it's UK-Swedish. They did not block exports to the EU they are simply fulfilling their contractual obligations. We moved fast, ventured the money that could have all been for nothing and we got it right with a well constructed contract.
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26/03/2021 11:03:35 35 0
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I'm a reasonably open-minded person, so please let me know how the AZ "effectively blocked exports" to the EU?
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26/03/2021 11:09:00 8 0
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Rather: look at and think how it has been made to look abroad.
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26/03/2021 11:02:50 11 0
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No they did not. That is nonsense.
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26/03/2021 11:11:44 22 0
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No they didn't. They are fulfilling their contracts in line with what the contracts say.

UK = effective contract
EU = not so much

Also they are a company, not the UK government.
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26/03/2021 11:18:24 22 0
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And the EU countries are sitting on 26m doses because they won't use the Oxford one. The Oxford one is made in 3 other countries and the development bankrolled by UK Government.
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26/03/2021 11:51:45 9 0
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No it didn’t.
457
26/03/2021 12:07:53 8 0
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let me guess, you are a remoaner
516
26/03/2021 12:20:56 1 0
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Why didn't the eu do as we did - sign up earlier and start production before they knew it worked to iron out the bugs in the system.
641
26/03/2021 12:49:22 1 0
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AZ has a firm legal commitment to supply the U.K. it only has a best effort commitment to supply the ÈU.
If you booked a holiday for a large family group and then after paying for it another large family group demands, as there at present no more holidays available, some in your group should lose their booked holiday so some in their group can have a holiday would you agree to that?
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JPR
26/03/2021 12:54:14 1 0
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My understanding is that the UK invested in AZ to develop a vaccine that may or may not have worked. UK signed a contract for AZ to supply said vaccine if it proved worthy. The EU waited to see what developed and eventually signed a differing contract with AZ. AZ don't seem to have breached any contract, it's just the EU have a less watertight contract and were 'late to the party'.
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26/03/2021 13:52:33 1 0
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its supplying eu 26 million doses in italy not being used because mrs merkel and macron, change their mind everyday trying to cover up their mess
26/03/2021 17:24:08 0 0
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No they didn't - EU has it's own plants so can get vaccines from them. And just what would be the point in exporting vaccines to somewhere that already has millions of doses sitting unused in warehouses because the leaders said the vaccine was useless and dangerous, when UK is actually USING them - and paying for them. It's the EU and it's citizens that need to take off their EU Commission specs
AK
26/03/2021 18:03:28 0 0
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Yet more sphericals from a misinformed person. Fact, the UK concluded negotiations 3 months ahead of the EU, therefore we get the vaccines 3 months earlier, simples!
26/03/2021 18:30:25 0 0
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How? By licensing production in the EU at two sites? Staggeringly stupid comment.
26/03/2021 19:10:52 0 0
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Which why there are 29million doses sitting in Italy, because AZ block them from being sent from its European manufacturing base. keep your specs on, i think you need them.
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26/03/2021 10:55:35 12 2
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If the EU is so certain A-Z is in breach of contract they should sue - but they won't because they know they would lose.
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26/03/2021 11:23:51 5 0
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This is the question I keep coming back to. The EU have time and again proved themselves lovers of rushing to court at every opportunity, so why not in this case?
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26/03/2021 10:55:37 8 2
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They will "catch up" when the vaccine is ready... this is what happens when you don't order promptly, things get "delayed"! When you dont make a decision... things dont happen!
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26/03/2021 10:59:28 1 5
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The EU signed their contract with AZ a day before the UK did.
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26/03/2021 10:56:23 7 1
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EU Commission stop suggesting it is you who are giving EU vaccines to the UK. It is, in fact, Astrazenica honouring contracts they have with the UK. Where they are made is irrelevant. Maybe someone reminded Mrs van der Leyer that vital components for the Pfizer vaccine do in fact come from the UK and we haven't suggested an export ban on those. Grow up EU your credibility is waning.
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26/03/2021 10:56:29 3 0
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26/03/2021 11:26:35 1 0
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Interesting. Thanks for that.
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26/03/2021 11:55:27 0 0
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Also reading the real details of the deals it is reassuring to discover there are some responsible adults in the UK doing the real work behind blustering Boris!
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jk
26/03/2021 10:49:16 47 3
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Surely the EU can come up with someone more capable than European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen ?
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26/03/2021 10:56:53 6 3
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More like Useless von der Lying!
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26/03/2021 10:57:03 20 2
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Did today's clique in Brussels run out of things to grab the headlines. Instead of diverting attention and blaming UK for all ills They should listen more to their former lead commissioner Junker. He at least appears to identify this 'storm in a teacup' as an infantile, divisive diversion, by officials under real criticism, from their roles. They might deliver International trust, and harmony.
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RC
26/03/2021 10:53:10 11 0
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Like it or not we are all caught in this pandemic, UK, Europe.... Unless the numbers are controlled in the EU it will only be a matter of time before a new variant "Covid 20" sprouts up and lands on UK shores and we are all pushed into furtherlockdowns. Regardless of what your nationality, politically views are, we need to work together.
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26/03/2021 10:57:07 8 3
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RC, work together? you mean like the EU sitting on their hands for months and then start throwing mud because they placed their "advanced purchasing agreements" months after the UK? perhaps they need to slim down and be more nimble! they messed up and then started slinging mud!
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RC
26/03/2021 11:05:04 2 0
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It really does not matter what has gone on, whose right, whose wrong etc. It is all noise. If we (as a global community) want to avoid a Covid 20 we need to suppress the virus in all areas as much as possible. If the virus gets out of control in a country then it is only a function of time before the the new Covid arrives in the UK.
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MC
26/03/2021 10:53:54 23 146
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Nothing to do with time. AstraZeneca agreed to supply doses to the EU and has failed to do so. The timing of the UKs contract is completely irrelevant.
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26/03/2021 10:57:15 16 1
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Have you read the contract? Is it on an EU website?
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26/03/2021 10:57:48 4 0
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Wonder what Monsieur Macron means by this being 'the end of naivety for the EU'?
He stood out for a total ban, but was overruled.
The EU never struck me as being particularly 'naive' I must say!
A poor, helpless bloc of 27 countries, many very powerful and rich?
There is a difference between naivety and incompetence, as we know very well here in the UK.
Let's hope we can all move on now.
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26/03/2021 11:00:36 2 0
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I believe Macron is referring to the EU contract which was a bit flakey.
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JPS
26/03/2021 10:50:04 25 2
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The UK has obviously been more nimble in it's responses to vaccination. All the EU rhetoric is for member states to politically smooth over the fact that the EU has not.
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MC
26/03/2021 10:57:48 5 17
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The UK created a contract that prevents any export of vaccines from the UK until everyone in the UK is vaccinated. The end result is that no vaccine doses will be exported from the UK at all. You appear to be of the impression that the means justifies the end here and that because it was done via a contract instead of via a direct export ban that this somehow makes it ok. The result is the same.
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26/03/2021 11:19:56 3 0
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And the EU are sitting on 26m doses because they won't use the Oxford one. The Oxford one is made in 3 other countries and the development bankrolled by UK Government.
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26/03/2021 11:20:52 3 0
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And AZ knew this was in place and so they set up separate manufacturing facilities in the EU to meet the EU orders.
We don't know the technical reasons why these plants are not delivering, but it is not possible that the delivery of doses in the UK is responsible for a reported shortfall of 60m doses to the EU, as the UK has not received that many.
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Mal
26/03/2021 11:23:13 0 0
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Where did you dream that rubbish up?
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26/03/2021 11:21:05 3 0
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The UK may not be exporting vaccines to the EU but AZ has several factories in the EU. How many EU companies have set up factories in the UK to produce vaccines?
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26/03/2021 12:23:11 0 1
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...and the EU rules were in place when the contract was signed. National (and EU) law underpins the contract.

If the shoe was on the other foot, the UK would be banning exports right and left. Like they did last year: https://www.theweek.co.uk/951807/uk-quietly-slapped-restrictions-on-covid-medicine-to-eu

Perfidious albion.
549
26/03/2021 12:27:25 1 0
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Unsure why you'd think the UK should send away what it developed, paid for and needs. Should prevent UK companies like AZ from producing in hostile failed states. No place to do business!
560
26/03/2021 12:29:59 1 0
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Others could have done what we did - paid for new production facilities - underwritten the risk of starting production before approval was gained , supported development in the first place. If we hadn't done that there would be nothing to argue about - is that what you want?
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26/03/2021 10:43:36 40 1
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Macron praised the USA for their vaccine rollout. He omitted mentioning near neighbour the UK in the same breath.

I don’t think he likes us!
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26/03/2021 10:58:05 0 4
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I spent the early 90's in Germany, as you moved around Europe it used to be a would welcome us with open arms, mainly the older generations. Much as people don't like to hear it but we are seen as a thorn in the side for some of European neighbours.
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SJ
26/03/2021 10:46:15 4 23
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Once again the EU leaders agree a sensible way forward and the prophets of EU collapse are proven false.
Meanwhile AZ prepares to be sued for its breach of contract and hopes the UK government will back its poor decision.

Or you could believe the jingoist and xenophobic opinions in the tabloids.

It's your choice. Reality or foolishness.
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26/03/2021 10:58:28 3 0
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No chance of A-Z being sued - read the contract! No international court except the ECJ would give a case house room. And the EU didn't agree a way forward - they fudged something as usual which member states are Ursula are spinning to suit their own audiences.
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26/03/2021 10:58:35 7 0
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Le Monde takes a different slant, that exports of vaccines to the UK are ready to be banned. Is truth that EU has agreed to make a threat to the UK but may not carry it through? If I were a company which has contracts to supply the EU with anything (vaccines, shoes, etc.), I'd be talking seriously to my lawyers in case the EU reneges on my deal, too and won't let me supply clients outside the EU.
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26/03/2021 10:52:59 16 3
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Presumably if EU had gone down one dose route you would be able to double the rate per 1000000. Still demonstrates they have been slow to implement but perhaps not quite as slow. If they hadn’t questioned the OxAZ efficacy then perhaps they would be on a par. Implies the EU have been caught by their own indecision
99
26/03/2021 10:58:55 5 1
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Yes, in light of the exploding case rates they need to replicate the UK strategy and get as many first doses as possible into arms.

But I suspect the EU being what it is, will rigidly stick to there current strategy even as it's being proved to be wrong.
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26/03/2021 11:05:21 9 0
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French GPs are breaking guidelines and insisting patients get vaccinated while doses are available, anyone over 50. National appointment system suggests a greater effort to get jabs in arms, even had mine after weeks glued to web site wondering if there were any doses in France. Young french may resist but older people are very keen, ignoring anything Macron says.
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26/03/2021 10:59:10 7 1
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They are a disgrace, the EU saying we have exported as though they have made the vaccine. The companies that make them have contracts to honour which the EU have no right to interfere with. Even worse is that they have undermined to AZ vaccine and are sitting in stocks.