Liberty Steel: Government looking at 'all options'
26/03/2021 | news | business | 247
Business Secretary Kwasi Kwarteng tells MPs he hopes to support the steelmaker "in its entirety".
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25/03/2021 16:11:23 60 3
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Britain needs its Steel industry just like it needs its own Pharmaceutical industry for vaccines
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25/03/2021 17:39:28 17 38
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No Britain needs more banking and insurance organisations, steel and making things are done by working class types we dont want them
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25/03/2021 21:35:21 0 2
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Yes bloody rubbish lot all of them.
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PCS
25/03/2021 16:12:52 13 3
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Liberty Steel: As far as the Scottish element goes there has been practically zero investment to improve core or supporting infrastructure it was merely used as a photo opportunity and propaganda exercise! Don't believe me go take a drive by all the remaining Scottish facilities and ask the handful of folk still employed.
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25/03/2021 16:15:37 1 2
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The government’s response here should be to force the Mittal brothers to come here, rather than just free riding on the U.K.
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25/03/2021 16:24:44 6 4
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How exactly could they do that? You know thanks to the combination of privatisation and globalisation most of your businesses are owned by foreign nationals and there is nothing we can do about it.

Hell once we sell off the NHS we could find that it is owned by China
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25/03/2021 16:15:44 9 6
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"Looking at all options". For the benefit of the uninformed, this translates as, "We'll sell it for a song to our mates".

You heard it here first.
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25/03/2021 16:49:21 6 2
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But only after heavy financing through taxpayers first.
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25/03/2021 17:29:36 0 2
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Who cares as long as it is viable.
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25/03/2021 16:20:37 4 2
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"hopes to support" and that is the wriggle room they require, empty words, "no intention of support" he should say instead of lying like odious johnson
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25/03/2021 16:24:17 5 2
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support is never discussed in public. they will cut them a deal in private and the tax payer will pick up the bill. they can hide it in the covid billions they are pilfering.
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25/03/2021 16:25:05 1 0
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What does Dave think? He has the contacts.
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25/03/2021 16:20:37 4 2
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"hopes to support" and that is the wriggle room they require, empty words, "no intention of support" he should say instead of lying like odious johnson
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25/03/2021 16:24:17 5 2
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support is never discussed in public. they will cut them a deal in private and the tax payer will pick up the bill. they can hide it in the covid billions they are pilfering.
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25/03/2021 16:15:37 1 2
bbc
The government’s response here should be to force the Mittal brothers to come here, rather than just free riding on the U.K.
7
25/03/2021 16:24:44 6 4
bbc
How exactly could they do that? You know thanks to the combination of privatisation and globalisation most of your businesses are owned by foreign nationals and there is nothing we can do about it.

Hell once we sell off the NHS we could find that it is owned by China
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25/03/2021 16:42:04 2 0
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I think you'll find the NHS is going to the US rather than China. Part of the price for a trade deal with the US. An American Health company has already taken over some GP surgeries already and now has around 500,000 patients on it's client list...sorry, under it's care.
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25/03/2021 18:32:54 1 1
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At least the PPE will turn up in time!
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25/03/2021 16:20:37 4 2
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"hopes to support" and that is the wriggle room they require, empty words, "no intention of support" he should say instead of lying like odious johnson
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25/03/2021 16:25:05 1 0
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What does Dave think? He has the contacts.
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25/03/2021 16:25:58 6 4
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"looking at all options" = Working out how best to enrich Tory donors.

Don't believe me - read what happened last time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/company-supplying-swedish-steel-navys-7461439

Under the emergency powers the UK Parliament gave the Govt today there won't even be any scrutiny.

The potential for corruption here is huge.
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25/03/2021 16:52:29 6 6
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You forget this is Britain and not a banana republic. Any sniff of corruption and they'll quickly appoint a minister to investigate all cases. Someone with undeniable integrity, say Robert Jenrick, for instance...what was that? Oh, OK, maybe a civil servant to make sure ministers don't breach the code....Oh. Sir Alex Allan has gone too? OK....what's Neil Hamilton doing these days? Is he available?
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25/03/2021 16:32:36 10 11
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Just get a tiny amount out of our tax havens and support British workers and steel.

Its time this country had a massive redistribution of wealth away from hoarding and greed towards that which actually supports our bread and butter.

Unite against the Right.
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25/03/2021 16:53:13 5 2
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Tax havens like Netherlands, Ireland and Luxembourg do you mean?
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25/03/2021 16:41:31 1 3
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Another day, another news story about UK steel collapsing...
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MVP
25/03/2021 16:41:43 38 3
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If the government could save the banks in 2008 then surely it can save what remains of the British steel industry.
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25/03/2021 17:08:39 13 6
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It's not as pretty as plush office buildings and directors salaries. Manufacturing is perceived as old fashioned an dirty in the UK.
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25/03/2021 17:45:28 10 1
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Banking and the financial services sector is a massive contributor to the treasuries coffers.....the 'old' industries sadly aren't. Hate Bankers and Financiers all you want but without them we'd be sunk......why do you think the EU wants to 'steal' them away ?
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25/03/2021 18:22:31 3 0
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Most of the country and all of the business have money in and use the services of banks, very few have money in and use the services of this particular steelmaker.
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25/03/2021 21:38:36 0 4
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No.it’s been bailed out for the last 40 yrs. Let the Indians and Chinese prosper now.
We had our time in the 30-60’s. Got weathly but have now lost it.
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25/03/2021 16:24:44 6 4
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How exactly could they do that? You know thanks to the combination of privatisation and globalisation most of your businesses are owned by foreign nationals and there is nothing we can do about it.

Hell once we sell off the NHS we could find that it is owned by China
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25/03/2021 16:42:04 2 0
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I think you'll find the NHS is going to the US rather than China. Part of the price for a trade deal with the US. An American Health company has already taken over some GP surgeries already and now has around 500,000 patients on it's client list...sorry, under it's care.
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25/03/2021 18:33:59 1 0
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GP surgeries are private companies/partnerships already and always have been, the US company that bought some makes zero impact on the NHS structure and is just fearmongering.
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25/03/2021 16:15:44 9 6
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"Looking at all options". For the benefit of the uninformed, this translates as, "We'll sell it for a song to our mates".

You heard it here first.
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b
25/03/2021 16:49:21 6 2
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But only after heavy financing through taxpayers first.
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25/03/2021 16:49:47 1 13
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Just close these endlessly loss making plants, I’m sure global Britain and build back better or some other 3 word slogan, will ride to the rescue.
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25/03/2021 16:25:58 6 4
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"looking at all options" = Working out how best to enrich Tory donors.

Don't believe me - read what happened last time.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/company-supplying-swedish-steel-navys-7461439

Under the emergency powers the UK Parliament gave the Govt today there won't even be any scrutiny.

The potential for corruption here is huge.
16
25/03/2021 16:52:29 6 6
bbc
You forget this is Britain and not a banana republic. Any sniff of corruption and they'll quickly appoint a minister to investigate all cases. Someone with undeniable integrity, say Robert Jenrick, for instance...what was that? Oh, OK, maybe a civil servant to make sure ministers don't breach the code....Oh. Sir Alex Allan has gone too? OK....what's Neil Hamilton doing these days? Is he available?
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25/03/2021 16:57:50 3 2
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Are you sure? Nearly inching towards banana republic. No money to fill the potholes, NHS, councils, old age care. Expensive failed projects. These are the signs of banana republic. Not now but in 20-30 years.
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25/03/2021 17:41:45 2 0
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No thank you I'm not having any steel plants in my republic
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DSA
25/03/2021 16:57:36 6 8
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It really is time to stop foreign companies owning key British products and utilities.

However, a complete revamp of the British worker's attitudes towards work must be addressed first. That together with the bigotted unions accelerated us into the state we are at present.

The pay rise=price increase=pay rise=price increase cycle must stop, as does the "we want more for nothing" brigade.
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26/03/2021 14:36:19 0 0
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Also a complete revamp of the British directors attitude towards eye watering pay rises and share award schemes
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25/03/2021 16:52:29 6 6
bbc
You forget this is Britain and not a banana republic. Any sniff of corruption and they'll quickly appoint a minister to investigate all cases. Someone with undeniable integrity, say Robert Jenrick, for instance...what was that? Oh, OK, maybe a civil servant to make sure ministers don't breach the code....Oh. Sir Alex Allan has gone too? OK....what's Neil Hamilton doing these days? Is he available?
18
25/03/2021 16:57:50 3 2
bbc
Are you sure? Nearly inching towards banana republic. No money to fill the potholes, NHS, councils, old age care. Expensive failed projects. These are the signs of banana republic. Not now but in 20-30 years.
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25/03/2021 17:39:35 2 0
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The indy gang want it to be called a Laverbread republic.
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ww
25/03/2021 16:59:56 2 9
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Not convinced about a British steel industry; we do not have the raw materials, nor is our power cheap. Now, if we were in the EU with security of supply of both it might be sensible.
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25/03/2021 17:07:51 4 2
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We export steel scrap not import it. Iron ore comes from Australia. The Spanish electric mines are unreliable and the Italian gas lakes are nearly empty
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25/03/2021 17:14:23 0 0
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Much of Europe's power is more expensive than ours so wrong on that one, plus they will be exempt from a number of the environmental levies through the Energy Intensive Industries scheme (EII), ultimately will still be expensive compared to some countries. The thing really pushing our power prices up at the moment is the EU Carbon price, where Hedge Funds and banks are having fun speculating...
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25/03/2021 18:20:39 1 0
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This steelworks is an arc furnace - it uses recycled steel scrap of which we have plenty and export a lot.
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25/03/2021 18:49:13 0 0
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Security of power supplies, you do realise the gas comes from russia,
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25/03/2021 17:03:00 19 1
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So we cant have a coal mine to supply raw materials to the steel industry but we also cant afford to let them go bust - its almost like we need them but dont want them and just want to complain all the freakin time.
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26/03/2021 13:34:12 0 1
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It's been pointed out that it isn't needed to produce the steel and that nearly all of it would be exported!!
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25/03/2021 16:32:36 10 11
bbc
Just get a tiny amount out of our tax havens and support British workers and steel.

Its time this country had a massive redistribution of wealth away from hoarding and greed towards that which actually supports our bread and butter.

Unite against the Right.
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25/03/2021 16:53:13 5 2
bbc
Tax havens like Netherlands, Ireland and Luxembourg do you mean?
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25/03/2021 18:24:13 2 0
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Indeed - these are the primary tax havens that impact the UK - for Uber, Amazon, Apple, Starbucks, Dell etc.
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25/03/2021 17:06:00 7 3
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How many times has the british steel industry bailed out again?
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ww
25/03/2021 16:59:56 2 9
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Not convinced about a British steel industry; we do not have the raw materials, nor is our power cheap. Now, if we were in the EU with security of supply of both it might be sensible.
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25/03/2021 17:07:51 4 2
bbc
We export steel scrap not import it. Iron ore comes from Australia. The Spanish electric mines are unreliable and the Italian gas lakes are nearly empty
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MVP
25/03/2021 16:41:43 38 3
bbc
If the government could save the banks in 2008 then surely it can save what remains of the British steel industry.
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25/03/2021 17:08:39 13 6
bbc
It's not as pretty as plush office buildings and directors salaries. Manufacturing is perceived as old fashioned an dirty in the UK.
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ww
25/03/2021 16:59:56 2 9
bbc
Not convinced about a British steel industry; we do not have the raw materials, nor is our power cheap. Now, if we were in the EU with security of supply of both it might be sensible.
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25/03/2021 17:14:23 0 0
bbc
Much of Europe's power is more expensive than ours so wrong on that one, plus they will be exempt from a number of the environmental levies through the Energy Intensive Industries scheme (EII), ultimately will still be expensive compared to some countries. The thing really pushing our power prices up at the moment is the EU Carbon price, where Hedge Funds and banks are having fun speculating...
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25/03/2021 17:15:48 22 6
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Much as I hate to say it, the only way we can produce high-grade steel rather than buy inferior muck from places like China is to nationalize the industry altogether.

The extra cost to the taxpayer would be minimal per capita, and it would mean that no jobs would be lost and that goods manufactured from British steel would last a jolly sight longer than the rubbish Made in China tools I have.
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25/03/2021 17:50:01 7 3
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Missed the "not" off the front of your name, yes China can make low grade but it can also & does make high grade steel
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25/03/2021 17:50:59 8 0
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PS: Does not matter where the steel comes from but buy cheap tools you get cheap steel.
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25/03/2021 20:18:39 4 0
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There is a technical aspect that is being missed here. Liberty inherited the same out of date technology as was available to Tata & British Steel

Fact is that the technical capabilities for Liberty compared to global competitors don’t align

GFG’s business model is murky at best and unfortunately has been underwritten with government backed ( ie tax payer ) guarantees without proper due diligence
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25/03/2021 17:15:52 2 8
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Just let steel go, it a industry of the past
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25/03/2021 17:28:31 7 1
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are you mad?
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25/03/2021 17:36:56 3 2
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Whats the buildings that all your internet shopping comes from made of? Your car, trains, bridges, railways, reinforcement in concrete etc etc? If we dont have our own industry producing it, we are the whims of the rest of the world and in particularly China. Steel is as important to us now as it ever has been.....if not more so!
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25/03/2021 18:17:27 2 1
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I think the issues around PPE and vaccines have shown that a complete laissez faire attitude to where things are made might have impacts that we haven't foreseen.
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26/03/2021 11:15:52 1 0
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In this uncertain world maintaining a UK steel industry with public money is a small price to pay. The money spent goes around in the UK unlike money spent buying foreign steel.
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25/03/2021 17:16:09 1 0
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Any investigation should be interesting re financing....
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25/03/2021 17:15:52 2 8
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Just let steel go, it a industry of the past
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25/03/2021 17:28:31 7 1
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are you mad?
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25/03/2021 17:36:19 2 2
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Massive pollution & costs too much to prop up. Don’t worry Drakey & Price the eyebrow are getting loads of green jobs, so they say.
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25/03/2021 16:15:44 9 6
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"Looking at all options". For the benefit of the uninformed, this translates as, "We'll sell it for a song to our mates".

You heard it here first.
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25/03/2021 17:29:36 0 2
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Who cares as long as it is viable.
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25/03/2021 17:54:37 3 0
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I pay Tax so I do.
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25/03/2021 17:28:31 7 1
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are you mad?
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25/03/2021 17:36:19 2 2
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Massive pollution & costs too much to prop up. Don’t worry Drakey & Price the eyebrow are getting loads of green jobs, so they say.
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25/03/2021 17:36:54 51 6
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Stop dealing with China, they’re a threat economically, environmentally, militarily not to mention human rights.
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25/03/2021 18:54:34 32 2
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They have already banned Nike and H&m for talking out about human rights, they also stopped buying Oz coal. We should move away from them as quickly as we can.
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25/03/2021 20:03:47 5 3
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Step forward the rich brexit backers then,ah look theyre lockdowned in the cayman islands and russia
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25/03/2021 21:36:53 2 1
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At least they are successful in business. Like we as a counrptry were in the later years, It’s called HARD COMPETATIVE WORK!
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26/03/2021 12:21:32 2 0
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Bless. blame yourself for moving production away from the UK. As fpr human rights, what about our "involvement" in Libya, Syria, Iraq. Palestine, Afghanistan etc? And our ties to the Sauds et al?
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26/03/2021 13:32:24 1 0
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The Tories have already made it crystal clear that the human rights record of a country is not paramount in considering trade relations!!
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25/03/2021 17:15:52 2 8
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Just let steel go, it a industry of the past
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25/03/2021 17:36:56 3 2
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Whats the buildings that all your internet shopping comes from made of? Your car, trains, bridges, railways, reinforcement in concrete etc etc? If we dont have our own industry producing it, we are the whims of the rest of the world and in particularly China. Steel is as important to us now as it ever has been.....if not more so!
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25/03/2021 17:48:17 2 2
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Live up to your name, I did not say it was not used but it is a industry of the past for the UK. We can't make it at a low cost price, leave it to the china's of the world. Uk should pour money into industrys of the future.
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25/03/2021 17:37:29 6 2
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No point of a investigation, what will happen is whatever Drakey thinks.
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25/03/2021 18:57:59 5 0
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Plus they take about Thirty years.
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25/03/2021 16:11:23 60 3
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Britain needs its Steel industry just like it needs its own Pharmaceutical industry for vaccines
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25/03/2021 17:39:28 17 38
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No Britain needs more banking and insurance organisations, steel and making things are done by working class types we dont want them
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25/03/2021 18:34:32 10 6
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That's the Labour Party view these days.
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25/03/2021 18:35:04 5 6
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Must be a rich brexiteer
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25/03/2021 20:29:15 6 1
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Are you real
F.U Removed
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26/03/2021 10:14:00 5 1
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I guess people don't understand sarcasm anymore with the amount of downvotes you received.

also comical that people think Labour are the pro banking party... the hint is in the parties name you eejits
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26/03/2021 11:42:37 3 1
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I know that you are being ironic but manufacturing creates wealth, wheras banking and insurance merely move money about. Exporting our steel making also exports our pollution. If we make the steel ourselves, we can minimise pollution, guarantee quality and build our economy.
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26/03/2021 12:31:30 2 1
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Instead of bankers ( I could change that to a rude word just by changing the first letter ) Britain needs more manufacturing, which actually creates wealth rather than merely manipulating it . Manufacturing is what put the Great into Britain when this small island nation was the workshop of the world nowadays manufacturing has moved to the Pacific rim and countries there are growing rich .
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25/03/2021 16:57:50 3 2
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Are you sure? Nearly inching towards banana republic. No money to fill the potholes, NHS, councils, old age care. Expensive failed projects. These are the signs of banana republic. Not now but in 20-30 years.
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25/03/2021 17:39:35 2 0
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The indy gang want it to be called a Laverbread republic.
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25/03/2021 17:40:21 0 1
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I hope the UK government can save it. The SNP signed the dumbest deal with them and the tax payer would have to give them between £14-£32m for nothing if they fold.

One of the stupidest deals I’ve ever heard of. They nearly even signed a 2nd too. One thing I do thank Nicola for us saying no to that.
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25/03/2021 17:43:56 9 1
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Are you sure she remembers that deal or meeting them.
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25/03/2021 17:44:28 1 2
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snp arent capitlaists and greedy,tories are
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25/03/2021 17:41:02 14 4
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Why not ask the Welsh Labour Gov to finance the rescue plan, after all they have made such a success of Rhoose Airport.
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25/03/2021 18:04:17 8 8
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Cardiff Wales Air port is still there if it was not for Welsh government it would not be. If it was not for Tory government we would have a new severn side airport build with private money.
One of the first things RT Davies has always said he'd do if the Welsh Conservatives get in the Senedd is sell the airport.
Be very careful what you wish for.

He won't stick up for the airport. Neither did Alun Cairns.
The airport is in the Vale Of Glamorgan.
Guess who the MS and MPs for the Vale Of Glamorgan are?
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25/03/2021 16:52:29 6 6
bbc
You forget this is Britain and not a banana republic. Any sniff of corruption and they'll quickly appoint a minister to investigate all cases. Someone with undeniable integrity, say Robert Jenrick, for instance...what was that? Oh, OK, maybe a civil servant to make sure ministers don't breach the code....Oh. Sir Alex Allan has gone too? OK....what's Neil Hamilton doing these days? Is he available?
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25/03/2021 17:41:45 2 0
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No thank you I'm not having any steel plants in my republic
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25/03/2021 17:42:31 2 1
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Let's see if they roll out the state aid - after all, one of the main reasons the UK left the EU, or if they sell it off...
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25/03/2021 17:50:47 5 0
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There are still state aid rules.
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25/03/2021 18:21:40 2 0
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The deal includes rules on state aid... thats clearly not been explained in the red top press., and yet again another retrospective reason for leaving...
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25/03/2021 17:40:21 0 1
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I hope the UK government can save it. The SNP signed the dumbest deal with them and the tax payer would have to give them between £14-£32m for nothing if they fold.

One of the stupidest deals I’ve ever heard of. They nearly even signed a 2nd too. One thing I do thank Nicola for us saying no to that.
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25/03/2021 17:43:56 9 1
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Are you sure she remembers that deal or meeting them.
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25/03/2021 17:40:21 0 1
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I hope the UK government can save it. The SNP signed the dumbest deal with them and the tax payer would have to give them between £14-£32m for nothing if they fold.

One of the stupidest deals I’ve ever heard of. They nearly even signed a 2nd too. One thing I do thank Nicola for us saying no to that.
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25/03/2021 17:44:28 1 2
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snp arent capitlaists and greedy,tories are
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25/03/2021 17:58:14 1 1
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Very funny
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MVP
25/03/2021 16:41:43 38 3
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If the government could save the banks in 2008 then surely it can save what remains of the British steel industry.
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25/03/2021 17:45:28 10 1
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Banking and the financial services sector is a massive contributor to the treasuries coffers.....the 'old' industries sadly aren't. Hate Bankers and Financiers all you want but without them we'd be sunk......why do you think the EU wants to 'steal' them away ?
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25/03/2021 17:50:22 46 6
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Either nationalise it, or let it fail. Shouldn't be using tax payers' money to prop up private companies.
That's not very PC from a Lefty remoaner ! Removed
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25/03/2021 19:07:53 6 3
bbc
Would you prefer 50,000 folk chucked on the dole, community devastation? It would be ‘tax payers‘ money paying dole and the rest of public services needing funding to sort out the mess of mass unemployment. Try going to the ex coal fields- impact continues nearly 40 years later.
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as
26/03/2021 00:11:25 5 0
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Making our own steel is greener and politically more secure than shipping it from China.
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26/03/2021 08:26:19 4 1
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Shouldn't be using tax payers' money to prop up Bozo's mates either, but we all know which stands more chance of getting a bail out..
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26/03/2021 12:19:11 2 0
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They could issue preferential shares that the government would agree to buy, that way the get investment back, but only get to vote if the company has difficulty. This would reflect the national need for its own steel production with out the disaster of nationalised companies.
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26/03/2021 12:41:31 1 0
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Just like British Rail , which was split up and privatised ; nowadays Scotrail is used to subsidise the Dutch railways , who own it .
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26/03/2021 15:55:03 0 0
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Nationalising it can only be done with taxpayers' money, so that won't help you. How would nationalisation change the economics of steel-making? If past experience is anything to go by, nationalisation just makes the economics of any business less advantageous not more.
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25/03/2021 17:42:31 2 1
bbc
Let's see if they roll out the state aid - after all, one of the main reasons the UK left the EU, or if they sell it off...
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25/03/2021 17:50:47 5 0
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There are still state aid rules.
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25/03/2021 18:57:15 0 1
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Shame only the Uk followed them .
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25/03/2021 20:48:00 0 3
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Which the French and Italian never break of course when it's in their own interest...
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25/03/2021 17:36:56 3 2
bbc
Whats the buildings that all your internet shopping comes from made of? Your car, trains, bridges, railways, reinforcement in concrete etc etc? If we dont have our own industry producing it, we are the whims of the rest of the world and in particularly China. Steel is as important to us now as it ever has been.....if not more so!
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25/03/2021 17:48:17 2 2
bbc
Live up to your name, I did not say it was not used but it is a industry of the past for the UK. We can't make it at a low cost price, leave it to the china's of the world. Uk should pour money into industrys of the future.
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25/03/2021 18:15:20 1 1
bbc
YOU didn't say anything unless you have multiple usernames?
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25/03/2021 17:15:48 22 6
bbc
Much as I hate to say it, the only way we can produce high-grade steel rather than buy inferior muck from places like China is to nationalize the industry altogether.

The extra cost to the taxpayer would be minimal per capita, and it would mean that no jobs would be lost and that goods manufactured from British steel would last a jolly sight longer than the rubbish Made in China tools I have.
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25/03/2021 17:50:01 7 3
bbc
Missed the "not" off the front of your name, yes China can make low grade but it can also & does make high grade steel
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26/03/2021 00:17:11 2 0
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And the environmental costs of shipping it from China (particularly when there is a ship jammed across the Suez canal)?
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25/03/2021 17:15:48 22 6
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Much as I hate to say it, the only way we can produce high-grade steel rather than buy inferior muck from places like China is to nationalize the industry altogether.

The extra cost to the taxpayer would be minimal per capita, and it would mean that no jobs would be lost and that goods manufactured from British steel would last a jolly sight longer than the rubbish Made in China tools I have.
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25/03/2021 17:50:59 8 0
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PS: Does not matter where the steel comes from but buy cheap tools you get cheap steel.
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25/03/2021 18:19:24 4 1
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It might matter - see PPE and vaccines more recently. That does not mean we need to be 100% self-sufficient in everything, but having some capacity that can be flexed might be a good idea in an economic war with China in the future.
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25/03/2021 17:50:22 46 6
bbc
Either nationalise it, or let it fail. Shouldn't be using tax payers' money to prop up private companies.
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That's not very PC from a Lefty remoaner ! Removed
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25/03/2021 17:58:38 14 2
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Who's a Lefty remoaner? Perhaps if you weren't so blinkered, you'd understood more.
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25/03/2021 18:02:16 12 0
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Why give Tax payers money to a private company?
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b
25/03/2021 18:42:31 8 2
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What is "not very PC" about it? Are you sure you know what PC means?
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25/03/2021 17:53:59 12 1
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Call me Dave....
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25/03/2021 17:29:36 0 2
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Who cares as long as it is viable.
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25/03/2021 17:54:37 3 0
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I pay Tax so I do.
That's not very PC from a Lefty remoaner ! Removed
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25/03/2021 17:58:38 14 2
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Who's a Lefty remoaner? Perhaps if you weren't so blinkered, you'd understood more.
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25/03/2021 17:44:28 1 2
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snp arent capitlaists and greedy,tories are
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25/03/2021 17:58:14 1 1
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Very funny
That's not very PC from a Lefty remoaner ! Removed
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25/03/2021 18:02:16 12 0
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Why give Tax payers money to a private company?
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25/03/2021 18:22:59 10 2
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Because its in the interests of the tory tax dodgers.
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25/03/2021 17:59:57 4 6
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Bit difficult for Lefty remoaners isn't it.
If we had stayed in the EU we couldn't have done a thing.
Better save the plants in Yorkshire but not the ones in Scotland and Wales. They can pay for their own.
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25/03/2021 18:10:03 9 3
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Yes we could have. That was a myth peddled by the Lexiteers. Plenty of EU Govts intervene on behalf of failing industries/sectors within their borders. Many already had in place 'furlough' schemes that automatically kick in during a recession and we didn't need to be outside EU to do same
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25/03/2021 18:19:22 5 2
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Wrong - the UK could have invested, and taken on the complete company - even those parts in the EU - the ones not at issue - and as for the rest of the comment - how sad - if you want the UK to stay 1 then drop the rancour.
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25/03/2021 18:24:29 1 1
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You save them. Don't be so free with my money.
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25/03/2021 19:02:39 2 2
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LOL , I know - they couldn’t care less if another 50,000 chucked on the Dole, or say there are ‘green jobs’. That was one of my main reasons for voting leave (also being an ‘uneducated gammon) . State Aid is far easier to do now MORE importantly, we’ll know who to point the finger at ( and get rid of at ballot box) if it fails. I give you Sovereignty and accountability .
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25/03/2021 17:41:02 14 4
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Why not ask the Welsh Labour Gov to finance the rescue plan, after all they have made such a success of Rhoose Airport.
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25/03/2021 18:04:17 8 8
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Cardiff Wales Air port is still there if it was not for Welsh government it would not be. If it was not for Tory government we would have a new severn side airport build with private money.
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25/03/2021 20:35:54 1 1
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And a tidal lagoon in Swansea.
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25/03/2021 17:59:57 4 6
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Bit difficult for Lefty remoaners isn't it.
If we had stayed in the EU we couldn't have done a thing.
Better save the plants in Yorkshire but not the ones in Scotland and Wales. They can pay for their own.
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25/03/2021 18:10:03 9 3
bbc
Yes we could have. That was a myth peddled by the Lexiteers. Plenty of EU Govts intervene on behalf of failing industries/sectors within their borders. Many already had in place 'furlough' schemes that automatically kick in during a recession and we didn't need to be outside EU to do same
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25/03/2021 19:04:46 2 1
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Yes Germany has done it for years with their brown coal, but that is for them, never allowed for minions. We now have far far more freedom and more importantly ,accountability than we have had for years.
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25/03/2021 18:10:19 31 1
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We cannot have a situation where the UK cannot make its own steel
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25/03/2021 18:44:49 16 1
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100% agree stepee. Goodness let us hope people in high power jobs have the same common sense.
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26/03/2021 14:03:40 1 0
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I agree, unfortunately we can't compete economically in most markets. However if we aim for the special steel / niche markets we can, but for that to happen we need investment in modern equipment as well as a
(preferably local) supply of high quality coking coal. Time for some joined up thinking from the Government, but don't hold your breath.
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25/03/2021 18:10:33 4 3
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A competitive steel industry was once nationalised and successive Govts turned it into an uncompetitive albatross wrapped around the tax payers neck.

But Johnson should forget Tory doctrine here because It now needs nationalising in order to save it. Advanced economies must have a steel industry.
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25/03/2021 18:13:55 1 1
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The Govt must weigh up ploughing £millions into this private company or possibly without finance & a buyer let it go to the wall & at that stage nationalise the business
at a favourable cost to the tax payer & in the process save 5000 jobs & look upon this as
justified by securing a strategic industry from the vagaries of commercial interests & best option.






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25/03/2021 17:48:17 2 2
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Live up to your name, I did not say it was not used but it is a industry of the past for the UK. We can't make it at a low cost price, leave it to the china's of the world. Uk should pour money into industrys of the future.
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25/03/2021 18:15:20 1 1
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YOU didn't say anything unless you have multiple usernames?
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25/03/2021 17:15:52 2 8
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Just let steel go, it a industry of the past
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25/03/2021 18:17:27 2 1
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I think the issues around PPE and vaccines have shown that a complete laissez faire attitude to where things are made might have impacts that we haven't foreseen.
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25/03/2021 19:39:26 0 0
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Now don't bring Mr Gething into it, he's busy else where
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25/03/2021 17:59:57 4 6
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Bit difficult for Lefty remoaners isn't it.
If we had stayed in the EU we couldn't have done a thing.
Better save the plants in Yorkshire but not the ones in Scotland and Wales. They can pay for their own.
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25/03/2021 18:19:22 5 2
bbc
Wrong - the UK could have invested, and taken on the complete company - even those parts in the EU - the ones not at issue - and as for the rest of the comment - how sad - if you want the UK to stay 1 then drop the rancour.
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25/03/2021 17:50:59 8 0
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PS: Does not matter where the steel comes from but buy cheap tools you get cheap steel.
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25/03/2021 18:19:24 4 1
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It might matter - see PPE and vaccines more recently. That does not mean we need to be 100% self-sufficient in everything, but having some capacity that can be flexed might be a good idea in an economic war with China in the future.
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25/03/2021 19:41:30 0 0
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We in Wales also get PPE from Cambodia, oh hold on, data lag.
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25/03/2021 16:59:56 2 9
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Not convinced about a British steel industry; we do not have the raw materials, nor is our power cheap. Now, if we were in the EU with security of supply of both it might be sensible.
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25/03/2021 18:20:39 1 0
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This steelworks is an arc furnace - it uses recycled steel scrap of which we have plenty and export a lot.
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25/03/2021 17:42:31 2 1
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Let's see if they roll out the state aid - after all, one of the main reasons the UK left the EU, or if they sell it off...
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25/03/2021 18:21:40 2 0
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The deal includes rules on state aid... thats clearly not been explained in the red top press., and yet again another retrospective reason for leaving...
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25/03/2021 16:41:43 38 3
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If the government could save the banks in 2008 then surely it can save what remains of the British steel industry.
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25/03/2021 18:22:31 3 0
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Most of the country and all of the business have money in and use the services of banks, very few have money in and use the services of this particular steelmaker.
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26/03/2021 12:48:00 1 0
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Everyone who rides on trains , flies in aeroplanes , sails in British built ships , eats with Sheffield Cutlery and relies on our armed forces uses the services of British Steel
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25/03/2021 18:21:25 11 1
bbc
Looks like "brown envelopes", will be changing hands in any deal agreed.
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25/03/2021 16:53:13 5 2
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Tax havens like Netherlands, Ireland and Luxembourg do you mean?
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25/03/2021 18:24:13 2 0
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Indeed - these are the primary tax havens that impact the UK - for Uber, Amazon, Apple, Starbucks, Dell etc.
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25/03/2021 18:02:16 12 0
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Why give Tax payers money to a private company?
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25/03/2021 18:22:59 10 2
bbc
Because its in the interests of the tory tax dodgers.
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25/03/2021 17:59:57 4 6
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Bit difficult for Lefty remoaners isn't it.
If we had stayed in the EU we couldn't have done a thing.
Better save the plants in Yorkshire but not the ones in Scotland and Wales. They can pay for their own.
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25/03/2021 18:24:29 1 1
bbc
You save them. Don't be so free with my money.
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25/03/2021 18:25:07 3 2
bbc
Well some of you did vote this for government no bail out from this lot
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25/03/2021 18:25:13 2 2
bbc
Nationalising this strategic business will mean at least tax payers will have something solid for their money unlike financially supporting a private company that in any case eventually might go out of business in commercial games & losing their money .

The saying bird in the hand etc.. comes to mind
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25/03/2021 21:07:59 0 1
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Except it's a money-losing black hole. You're buying a corpse and the only thing you can do with a corpse is bury it.
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25/03/2021 18:28:25 3 0
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Priorities. That is what the UK economy has now boiled down to.
There are people in The City that believe short term clever dealing over basic industries is the way forward.
Might well be for them. Turn a quick buck and kill another industry.
However where is the funding going to come from for the consumers?
Where will the jobs come from to fund them?
What will be exported?
How would Marx explain?
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25/03/2021 18:30:47 2 3
bbc
Let it go bust and THEN help set up an arms length not for profit phoenix company.

Don't waste money on bailing it out.
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25/03/2021 18:58:33 2 1
bbc
Would you be happier to pay Dole to 50,000 + .That figure includes all the businesses that rely on that plant?
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25/03/2021 18:59:18 1 0
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Agreed bail iout is not the answer but profit is essential for development providing this to in tax payers benefit
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25/03/2021 16:24:44 6 4
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How exactly could they do that? You know thanks to the combination of privatisation and globalisation most of your businesses are owned by foreign nationals and there is nothing we can do about it.

Hell once we sell off the NHS we could find that it is owned by China
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25/03/2021 18:32:54 1 1
bbc
At least the PPE will turn up in time!
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25/03/2021 18:33:41 1 4
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I am sure the EU would be only too happy to sell you steel - save taxpayer's money.
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25/03/2021 16:42:04 2 0
bbc
I think you'll find the NHS is going to the US rather than China. Part of the price for a trade deal with the US. An American Health company has already taken over some GP surgeries already and now has around 500,000 patients on it's client list...sorry, under it's care.
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25/03/2021 18:33:59 1 0
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GP surgeries are private companies/partnerships already and always have been, the US company that bought some makes zero impact on the NHS structure and is just fearmongering.
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26/03/2021 11:02:37 1 0
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Well it's succeeded in frightening me.
Zero impact? Bought to make a profit from our illness you mean.
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25/03/2021 17:39:28 17 38
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No Britain needs more banking and insurance organisations, steel and making things are done by working class types we dont want them
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25/03/2021 18:34:32 10 6
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That's the Labour Party view these days.
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25/03/2021 17:39:28 17 38
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No Britain needs more banking and insurance organisations, steel and making things are done by working class types we dont want them
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25/03/2021 18:35:04 5 6
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Must be a rich brexiteer
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25/03/2021 18:41:35 5 1
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Could they do similar to the bank bail outs? Ie take a majority stake with a view to returning to fully private ownership?
That's not very PC from a Lefty remoaner ! Removed
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25/03/2021 18:42:31 8 2
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What is "not very PC" about it? Are you sure you know what PC means?
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25/03/2021 21:50:04 2 0
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Of course they do, PC means "anything that upsets me", private business not making money? PC.

Stud my toe in the morning? That's the fault of PC.
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25/03/2021 18:10:19 31 1
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We cannot have a situation where the UK cannot make its own steel
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25/03/2021 18:44:49 16 1
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100% agree stepee. Goodness let us hope people in high power jobs have the same common sense.
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26/03/2021 09:54:18 2 0
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So nationalise UK steel industry and stop giving away money to foreign and domestic investors
Question, does this chap Kwasi what his name have the capability to handle the people involved in this steel situation without agreeing & costing never to be relised £millions of tax payers money when nationalisation, but not at inflated cost is the answer.





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25/03/2021 19:30:34 1 0
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Mr Miliband will take him out for a bacon sandwich, and explain the details, as Ed's always been a details man
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25/03/2021 18:47:11 24 2
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I am normally against nationalizing companies, but when it comes to strategic industries like steel the government should take a stake in saving it like they did with the banks, we do not want to be beholden on foreign steel from the likes of China etc. I also believe the Cumberland mine should be used to provide coking coal for smelting thus reducing importing coal and associated transportation.
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26/03/2021 06:45:07 2 3
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thats called cake and eat it
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26/03/2021 13:35:15 1 0
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100% agree - the balance of buying coking coal from abroad shipping it to the uk is significantly more adverse than using the product from the mine
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25/03/2021 18:47:35 1 0
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Yes save it to buy substandard coal for coke from Australia to use in the furnaces, that will be environmentally good for the UK.

Hydrogen tech is decades away, electric arc using scrap not good for decent steel.
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25/03/2021 19:30:34 2 0
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Indy2010 totally, UK government have invested in Celsa steel Newport by supporting the purchase of an electric arc.
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25/03/2021 16:59:56 2 9
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Not convinced about a British steel industry; we do not have the raw materials, nor is our power cheap. Now, if we were in the EU with security of supply of both it might be sensible.
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25/03/2021 18:49:13 0 0
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Security of power supplies, you do realise the gas comes from russia,
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25/03/2021 17:36:54 51 6
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Stop dealing with China, they’re a threat economically, environmentally, militarily not to mention human rights.
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25/03/2021 18:54:34 32 2
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They have already banned Nike and H&m for talking out about human rights, they also stopped buying Oz coal. We should move away from them as quickly as we can.
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25/03/2021 19:39:24 2 3
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They’re the biggest threat since Hitler, Russia aren’t far behind.
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25/03/2021 20:31:06 4 3
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Shame our government only sees what it wants to see.££££.China presents a real and present danger to global security.
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25/03/2021 22:14:22 2 1
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if we move away i wonder will they stop hacking us
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25/03/2021 18:56:45 4 2
bbc
It has to be bailed out. I am not normally into state ‘ interference’ , but I am from the area around the largest. It still hasn’t recovered from the overnight closure of the pits, 3 hund. Thousand on the dole overnight. 1984/85. Communities devastated. Morally it would be the right move. Now we have left the EU state aid is far more simple. What is cheaper Dole x 50,000 v bail out & life?
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25/03/2021 22:16:36 4 0
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Sorry for the individuals but fake jobs are not any reason on to keep a business alive. Be cheaper to pay them the same even on benefits and not have to run the plant at a loss on top. This stuff is not easy and should never be driven by 'saving jobs' in any area.

It happens to be a strategic industrial capability and does need to survive, but not for 'jobs', but for strategic interest.
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25/03/2021 17:50:47 5 0
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There are still state aid rules.
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25/03/2021 18:57:15 0 1
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Shame only the Uk followed them .
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25/03/2021 20:06:47 3 0
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Not true. You just fell for the tabloid lies.
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25/03/2021 17:37:29 6 2
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No point of a investigation, what will happen is whatever Drakey thinks.
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25/03/2021 18:57:59 5 0
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Plus they take about Thirty years.
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25/03/2021 18:30:47 2 3
bbc
Let it go bust and THEN help set up an arms length not for profit phoenix company.

Don't waste money on bailing it out.
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25/03/2021 18:58:33 2 1
bbc
Would you be happier to pay Dole to 50,000 + .That figure includes all the businesses that rely on that plant?
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25/03/2021 19:25:45 0 1
bbc
Why does it have to be saving this steel company or the dole? If the business isn’t making money then tough! Use any govt money to invest in renewable energy or tech and invest in retraining existing workers and creating new work pathways for young people. No point throwing good money after bad!
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25/03/2021 19:43:14 0 1
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50000 would be £1billion per year so probably cheaper than a bail out
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25/03/2021 18:30:47 2 3
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Let it go bust and THEN help set up an arms length not for profit phoenix company.

Don't waste money on bailing it out.
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25/03/2021 18:59:18 1 0
bbc
Agreed bail iout is not the answer but profit is essential for development providing this to in tax payers benefit
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25/03/2021 17:59:57 4 6
bbc
Bit difficult for Lefty remoaners isn't it.
If we had stayed in the EU we couldn't have done a thing.
Better save the plants in Yorkshire but not the ones in Scotland and Wales. They can pay for their own.
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25/03/2021 19:02:39 2 2
bbc
LOL , I know - they couldn’t care less if another 50,000 chucked on the Dole, or say there are ‘green jobs’. That was one of my main reasons for voting leave (also being an ‘uneducated gammon) . State Aid is far easier to do now MORE importantly, we’ll know who to point the finger at ( and get rid of at ballot box) if it fails. I give you Sovereignty and accountability .
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25/03/2021 18:10:03 9 3
bbc
Yes we could have. That was a myth peddled by the Lexiteers. Plenty of EU Govts intervene on behalf of failing industries/sectors within their borders. Many already had in place 'furlough' schemes that automatically kick in during a recession and we didn't need to be outside EU to do same
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25/03/2021 19:04:46 2 1
bbc
Yes Germany has done it for years with their brown coal, but that is for them, never allowed for minions. We now have far far more freedom and more importantly ,accountability than we have had for years.
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25/03/2021 17:50:22 46 6
bbc
Either nationalise it, or let it fail. Shouldn't be using tax payers' money to prop up private companies.
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25/03/2021 19:07:53 6 3
bbc
Would you prefer 50,000 folk chucked on the dole, community devastation? It would be ‘tax payers‘ money paying dole and the rest of public services needing funding to sort out the mess of mass unemployment. Try going to the ex coal fields- impact continues nearly 40 years later.
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25/03/2021 20:06:10 7 1
bbc
So what? Either we own it or it's allowed to fail. Simple choice.
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25/03/2021 20:46:45 3 0
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What is so difficult to understand??? Assuming the industry was nationalised, the actual workers would presumably still be holding onto their jobs, ..it's just that the state/taxpayers would be the new shareholders.
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25/03/2021 18:58:33 2 1
bbc
Would you be happier to pay Dole to 50,000 + .That figure includes all the businesses that rely on that plant?
97
25/03/2021 19:25:45 0 1
bbc
Why does it have to be saving this steel company or the dole? If the business isn’t making money then tough! Use any govt money to invest in renewable energy or tech and invest in retraining existing workers and creating new work pathways for young people. No point throwing good money after bad!
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25/03/2021 19:56:17 2 0
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Mmm- Brilliant idea and great in theory BUT I challenge you to visit the South Wales ex coal fields and eye up the ‘investment’ & green jobs there. After that I challenge you to explain your proposal to a loads of steel bashing men . It is a moral and cultural ‘Thing’ more than Money. Try telling the ex miners I know that they have a wonderful new job in a call centre....
Question, does this chap Kwasi what his name have the capability to handle the people involved in this steel situation without agreeing & costing never to be relised £millions of tax payers money when nationalisation, but not at inflated cost is the answer.





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25/03/2021 19:30:34 1 0
bbc
Mr Miliband will take him out for a bacon sandwich, and explain the details, as Ed's always been a details man
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25/03/2021 18:47:35 1 0
bbc
Yes save it to buy substandard coal for coke from Australia to use in the furnaces, that will be environmentally good for the UK.

Hydrogen tech is decades away, electric arc using scrap not good for decent steel.
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25/03/2021 19:30:34 2 0
bbc
Indy2010 totally, UK government have invested in Celsa steel Newport by supporting the purchase of an electric arc.
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25/03/2021 18:54:34 32 2
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They have already banned Nike and H&m for talking out about human rights, they also stopped buying Oz coal. We should move away from them as quickly as we can.
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25/03/2021 19:39:24 2 3
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They’re the biggest threat since Hitler, Russia aren’t far behind.
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26/03/2021 12:37:17 1 0
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Both trail behind USA , although with Trump out of office they are slightly less dangerous now , but still have a huge military arsenal