MPs agree to extend Covid powers until September
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The health secretary said 'essential' government powers need to stay but other measures have been scrapped.
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A warning from history. Once governments take more control over the people, they are always reluctant to give up their new powers. In fact it makes them crave more control.
Is that why we still have rationing and curfews from WW2 then?
Good job we'll be able to protest... Oh.
The fact that they've passed legislation to criminalise peaceful protest should be a red flag in any society.
The fact the BBC and tabloid press hardly reported on it while protests and outrage filled city streets and social media is disturbing.
And the fact they've done it with the impact of Brexit on the horizon may not be a coincidence.
The fact the BBC and tabloid press hardly reported on it while protests and outrage filled city streets and social media is disturbing.
And the fact they've done it with the impact of Brexit on the horizon may not be a coincidence.
The government really needs to be take control to neutralise the behaviour of the dummies who do what they like without any thought whatsoever of what their actions can cause.
A fine is a waste of time, most won't or can't pay it so a period of lockup instead of lockdown may work
It really isn't worth the risk for a pint, a meal out, a football match or a holiday?
Definitely not
A fine is a waste of time, most won't or can't pay it so a period of lockup instead of lockdown may work
It really isn't worth the risk for a pint, a meal out, a football match or a holiday?
Definitely not
Does this history include the far left Soviet regimes (Stalin's Russia, North Korea, etc.) or just the wicked 'Tory' pantomime villains your handle suggests?
Stop looking at the world through one eye (clearly the left one) so you can get some rational balance on what is happening in the country you live in.
Stop looking at the world through one eye (clearly the left one) so you can get some rational balance on what is happening in the country you live in.
Irony of all ironies, the OP supports right wing Tories.
I know let's have a peaceful protest and set light to some stuff and shout abuse at female police officers... Because that's all ok
We still have income tax.
This was brought in as a temporary measure 200 years ago
This was brought in as a temporary measure 200 years ago
The govt will now try to stop people from going on overseas holidays as they want to force ppl to spend money on uk-based holidays as there wont be any overseas visitors coming in.
What will the next freedom to be taken away be?
What will the next freedom to be taken away be?
this was always going to happen sadly, welcome to the UK Police State.
Oh, look at that….
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
It was the tories who wrote these rules remember...
also ever heard of the phrase allowing a person to make a rod to make their own back, i have a feeling thats what labour are doing to the tories atm
also ever heard of the phrase allowing a person to make a rod to make their own back, i have a feeling thats what labour are doing to the tories atm
It's almost as if some MPs would rather this pandemic didn't end.
They say that if you scare people enough you can get them to do anything.
Having embraced the mandatory LD zeitgeist, regimes everywhere decided that, fear was the only way to stay credible.
And a MSM drawn from the ranks of the sanctimonious liberal elite: who have lost touch with the true nature of humanity, supported it.
Giving up this power over us is going to be tough for them.
Having embraced the mandatory LD zeitgeist, regimes everywhere decided that, fear was the only way to stay credible.
And a MSM drawn from the ranks of the sanctimonious liberal elite: who have lost touch with the true nature of humanity, supported it.
Giving up this power over us is going to be tough for them.
Globally? Really?
And in this appalling state of affairs, they are ardently supported by those who appear to wish to be under house arrest forever, or at least until all risks of any sort from anything at all have been removed (or never as we call it).
Indeed, the CRG seem very keen to prolong and increase pain and suffering.
Good grief. I am no supporter of this shambles of a government but I'm sure that's not true. We should extend the powers on condition that an independent public enquiry into this mess starts now. No power without accountability,
Again, the utterly ridiculous conflation of concern over the pandemic's potential impacts to a wish that it would have an adverse impact.
They've kept it going as long as possible, delaying lockdown and mask wearing, which they then don't enforce. The dead are collateral damage, nothing more, nothing less.
A lot of the population would also rather it never ends. Lots of people are real comfy behind that sofa.
I would say this view is more true of scientists/epidemiologists than mps. Some of them want masks and social distancing to last forever
It's the Woke and their usual band of politics - Project Fear - who don't want it to end. This COVID farce is being milked. It's time to stop all furlough schemes then see how many will have to/need to go back to work.
Quite wrong.. If it doesent end soon we will be worse off than people living in the ever shrinking amazon rain forest.
Pretty sure we ALL want the pandemic to end, but with 6,000 today, we are still letting it spread.
As soon as he announced an extension to furlough it was obvious that no matter what the circumstances, this was always the plan.
the more they can prolong it, the more freedoms they can steal from us. Simple formula. It's been their hidden agenda from day zero
Quite right they dont, not heard a peep bout our MP, nothing at all.
Totally agree. Particularly Welsh and Scottish MPs. It makes them look far more important than they actually are.
Disaster for us = opportunity for the Tories=more control and more lining their pockets =more suffering for the majority!!
and not just MP's.....there seem to be never ending reasons for just keeping this thing running, it's getting boring.
Yes, cause then they may all have to do a proper job again and be more answerable to their constituents.
As I have said in the past, there are those politicians that are, in some ways, dreading the end because that is when everything that went wrong will be looked at in depth and people will be held accountable and heads will roll. Unless of course there is a very big rug available to sweep things under, sorry, make that a large carpet, rug wouldn't do the job, and a very large broom too.
What do you Want, first the government does not act fast enough or with stronger measures. Now the same people moan about their civil liberties being restricted for a while longer,
Guess you can never satisfy the Rabid Left.
Guess you can never satisfy the Rabid Left.
The govt need emergency powers to rush through billion pound contracts without the need for accountability.
Do not let a good crisis go to waste - Dablya Ch. Pfeffel's Idol
The last time I saw a government use emergency powers to deal with a situation, they turned Anakin to the dark side.
Whatever the subject of the discussion, the same people make the same complaints.
Ha ha! Yes - my mate what does a bit of DIY can get a multi million pound PPE contract
Not that old leftie chestnut again!
Then in September they'll claim the powers are needed because of another wave, even though we have vaccines for the most vulnerable, and keep the cycle going unnecessarily.
Cripes.... looks like the people are revolting.
In the nicest possible way of course.
In the nicest possible way of course.
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No they won't
Whilst I agree with you we still don't know just how effective vaccine will be for the immunosuppressed _ I've got my fingers securely crossed.
Must be a member of the press they are just abusive scaremongers
And then a climate emergency that they will draw on forever.
Extending the powers will probably reduce the risk of another wave, especially one coming from the third wave hitting Europe at the moment.
Yes the virus was key to freedom yet we’ve vaccinated all the vulnerable and all we hear is new strains and caution......How long for 1 year/3 years ???
It’s just getting really annoying now.
It’s just getting really annoying now.
Didn't you watch the Lion King?
Who are the vulnerable?
What happens to all of us every year?
That's right we get older
We don't know how long vaccination lasts. We do know the virus mutates. The only way to break the cycle is to eliminate Covid.
Who are the vulnerable?
What happens to all of us every year?
That's right we get older
We don't know how long vaccination lasts. We do know the virus mutates. The only way to break the cycle is to eliminate Covid.
Exactly this ha been the policy of SAGE and the government all along to find any reason to keep the cycle going.
Yes it does seem that there is a good chance of another bout in the Autumn, because we certainly do not learn .
Boris has all his eggs on the vaccine, but is that all hype?
Boris has all his eggs on the vaccine, but is that all hype?
Most of the emergency laws aren't needed now, time to let them go.
So say so in Parliament (sovereign).
Oh you can’t, wonder why??????
Oh you can’t, wonder why??????
When will the Opposition actually, well, oppose?
Yep, lets stop all furlough and rates and Business support and drop the additional funding for the NHS etc that is included in this bill.
Why is that? People like you would have us going backwards again - in more than one way!
This creeping authoritarianism is deeply disturbing.
Now that those in control have tasted power they do not want to let go and will crave more.
Now that those in control have tasted power they do not want to let go and will crave more.
People should atually be more fearful of these new laws than the virus.
You can always sleep with your light on.
Never forget that the enemy is not disease, or natural forces, or other countries. The true enemy is the government. Always was, always will be, more than ever now from the look of it.
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Power corrupts; total power corrupts totally.
What tosh, if you are informed in 3 years time that the next general election will not take place, raise the alarm, but don't confuse pandemic control measures that most seem to be able to follow with impending dictatorship
You know what that equals, civil unrest!!!
Why? Why would the gov want to control us so? It makes no sense.
It’s not creeping it’s been very fast.
If it all gets a bit too much we can vote them out in 4 years... well 3 and a bit now
It's a mistake to judge people by your own standards. Says more about you than the people you are accusing.
On both sides..it's not like it was a close call, it was a landslide.
This proves no MP, regardless of party, has anyone's interest in mind.
That is almost as disturbing.
This proves no MP, regardless of party, has anyone's interest in mind.
That is almost as disturbing.
What did people expect when they voted this lot in?
Government retains biometric data, it passes facemask test, requirement for vaccine passports, all linked....? We can all be happy about this as everyone flies the flag and feels proud to be British as we cut public services to the bone and buy nukes. I used to proud, but the actions of this government make me first embarrassed and then concerned
Government retains biometric data, it passes facemask test, requirement for vaccine passports, all linked....? We can all be happy about this as everyone flies the flag and feels proud to be British as we cut public services to the bone and buy nukes. I used to proud, but the actions of this government make me first embarrassed and then concerned
I know people are making a lot of comparisons with the old soviet republics…. But at least the soviets had the guise of doing things for their population as a whole. This tory regime only seem to be doing things for the rich tory donors.
You really think the Soviets were morally equivalent to the Tories? Presumably you would agree with Stalin's purges, and the recent Russian government attempts to poison dissidents.
Two things here which make me think you either have your head firmly in the sand or in the Momentum Manifesto of the lunatic extreme left:
1 The Soviets were just as bad as the Nazi's if not worse in persecuting and killing their own people.
2 You are clearly politically cycloptic in your thinking if you think the present government is doing nothing for the population as a whole.
1 The Soviets were just as bad as the Nazi's if not worse in persecuting and killing their own people.
2 You are clearly politically cycloptic in your thinking if you think the present government is doing nothing for the population as a whole.
Never fear Starmer has Boris's back.
Corbyn and Starmer would never had allowed the inadequacy and total mess the Tories have made to happen in the first place. They would have put PEOPLE first then ???????? rather than the other way round.
No doubt RWA’s will attempt, and fail as usual , to defend the indefensible.
No doubt RWA’s will attempt, and fail as usual , to defend the indefensible.
Sorry shares in "Green" companies have leveled out and they cant push that any more. So they put their money in pharma supplies and will continue to push that instead.
There is no way in this world that this crisis will be over by June 21st. It has dawned on Doris now, most of us with a brain laughed when it was suggested it would be over. Meanwhile lots of unvaccinated nuggets rushed off to book a jolly in the sun where Covid still runs wild.
Get a grip, grow up, and accept another summer of restrictions loom.
Get a grip, grow up, and accept another summer of restrictions loom.
With deaths below normal levels for the time of the year in the UK here the crisis isn’t covid here now, it’s the harm to physical and mental health and the economy by staying in lockdown when it’s no longer needed.
Historically I’ve been indifferent to the Tories. Currently, I’m pleased with their vaccine rollout, however I still think the made a lot of simple, early mistakes like leaving the borders open un-checked, being slow to implement lockdown etc – you don’t need hindsight; it’s obvious stuff.
Genuinely please they’re getting their act together, but it doesn’t wash away the mistakes.
Genuinely please they’re getting their act together, but it doesn’t wash away the mistakes.
Oh, look at that….
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
Well the people who think the various governments have been abusing their power will come on here and rant about "loss of freedom". The ones who think the various governments have been trying hard to contain the virus will come on here and say there is no point relaxing the powers as the virus hasn't gone and not all are vaccined.
I look forward to seeing who wins the upvotes vs downvotes today!
I look forward to seeing who wins the upvotes vs downvotes today!
A warning from history. Once governments take more control over the people, they are always reluctant to give up their new powers. In fact it makes them crave more control.
If it had been up to Churchill, rationing and curfew had gone on many years. He really didn't want to let go of those, one of the reasons people of the time were actually happy to see him go.
Unpopular comment no doubt for the Pierce Morganites out there, but historically accurate.
Unpopular comment no doubt for the Pierce Morganites out there, but historically accurate.
I believe rationing lasted well into the 1950s. Several years after the War. Are you happy with 6 years without household mixing?
Example: WW1 changes to licencing laws took over 70 years to be repealed, long after the War(s) ended.
dont need curfews, HM GOVERNMENT can tell where you are from internet traffic, car number plate, debit or credit card, cctv, & even track your mobile phone & land line usage
The reason we don't still have them is people demanded they stop.
The point is not that the government inevitably hoards power, it is that it inevitably wants to hoard power and only the people can stop it by explicitly rejecting this
The point is not that the government inevitably hoards power, it is that it inevitably wants to hoard power and only the people can stop it by explicitly rejecting this
People also had to carry National ID cards during WW2, a law which were supposed to last until the end of war.
Except it didn't and it took a court case in 1948 to finish off National ID cards in the UK when the judge ruled against the Government.
What chance a judge would do the same thing today?
Except it didn't and it took a court case in 1948 to finish off National ID cards in the UK when the judge ruled against the Government.
What chance a judge would do the same thing today?
More control, more freebies to keep you quiet. Had the Soviets taught about it Silly Comrades. The answer was .....the borrowing, printing more money and giving it away to people was the way to do it. Keeping power, control and make people to obey. Do not need army nor tanks to achieve that ,General Jaruzelski & Leo Brezhniev.
Learn it from the Tories. Greed&capitalism keeps everything ticking?
Learn it from the Tories. Greed&capitalism keeps everything ticking?
Another weird left wing conspiracy theory.
a slippery slope ...
Slippery slope to what? In many countries it is normal for the national flag to be flown on public building, including social democracies like Denmark.
Remoaner.
There is no way in this world that this crisis will be over by June 21st. It has dawned on Doris now, most of us with a brain laughed when it was suggested it would be over. Meanwhile lots of unvaccinated nuggets rushed off to book a jolly in the sun where Covid still runs wild.
Get a grip, grow up, and accept another summer of restrictions loom.
Get a grip, grow up, and accept another summer of restrictions loom.
Only Churchill wasn't in power after the war, it was the Labour Party that kept rationing going
Total fiction. Labour won the general election after the war. Rationing was still in place because goods were still very scarce. There had been 6 years of war remember. My mother queued for hours to buy what food there was. The undisciplined of today would be "protesting", demanding an end to shortages. God help this country if the namby pambies of today were alive in the 2nd world war.
I think you'll find that it's generally the left (socialists) who crave more state control. They have an instinctive lack of trust in people to make the 'right' decisions, hence the urge for intervention/nannying by the state the make the decisions on their behalf.
Generally, the right is more on the side of the personal freedom and the individual. So what you say about Piers Morgan is rubbish.
Generally, the right is more on the side of the personal freedom and the individual. So what you say about Piers Morgan is rubbish.
I don't think thy have any option other than to extend the extraordinary powers at the current time - we're not quite out of the woods yet.
It's just unfortunate we have the Monstrous Muppet nominally in charge. I would have thought with everything else that's going on here and in the rest of the world, having Union flags flying on all government buildings would have been way down the list.
It's just unfortunate we have the Monstrous Muppet nominally in charge. I would have thought with everything else that's going on here and in the rest of the world, having Union flags flying on all government buildings would have been way down the list.
Personally, I want to see the Union flags flying on government buildings. It will not cost much and doesn't impinge on anything else.
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More authoritarianism then ?
Oh joy.
Oh joy.
bit-by-bit, day-by-day, so the sheep don't realise the wool has been pulled over their eyes
Coronavirus is no longer an emergency, so emergency powers can no longer be justified. It's an ongoing situation which needs to be managed by professionals. Any new legislation required should be agreed by parliament.
You can't always wait whilst MPs have three days of debate about any changes needed.
It is debateable whether an emergency is over when the effects are subsiding or when there is no chance of it returning without active management.
I would say the UK epidemic is heading for remission, but the Global pandemic is still, very much, an emergency that will return to our shores at the first possible opportunity.
I would say the UK epidemic is heading for remission, but the Global pandemic is still, very much, an emergency that will return to our shores at the first possible opportunity.
It was parliament that set up the emergency powers legislation and it is parliament that is going to decide if it continues so I guess you have your wish :-)
I was in agreement with your comment until you put 'managed by professionals' and 'Parliament' I the same sentence...
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Sadly most thing will be passed given that we mandated a large majority, was always a risk voting BJ in after the moderates were replaced with the I will agree to anything brigade.
Agree and add in limiting the right to protest shows the current carp leadership are remaining dangerously power hungry.
These powers include all the financial prop-ups such as furlough, many of the other laws actually have been already written into other Acts. We may have an emergency every Autumn-Winter, it will be easier to keep them going than trying to reintroduce them again.
In some parts of the world they have coped very well and are living normal lives, and haven't even got around to vaccinations yet!!
Since when have you been the elected representative that makes such decisions?
Errrrrrrrrrrr......France, Germany, Poland etc etc....the UK doesn't live in a bubble....
Of course it is still an emergency! The virus is not defeated. It is spreading rapidly in Europe. New variants all the time with a particularly worrying one found in India. We are a world wide airline hub impossible to close down completely like OZ and NZ. Extreme caution is still needed. If everyone obeyed the three main wash hands,keep distance, wear a mask, then perhaps things could ease!
I'm afraid that on a global level you are very much incorrect about that. Look at the data.
I think you will find that this is what is being debated in parliament.....
Only covid powers needed are to make sure everyone wears a mask
End of 1st lockdown: It's no longer an emergency.
End of 2nd lockdown: It's no longer an emergency.
End of 3rd lockdown: It's no longer and emergency.
End of 4th lockdown: ???
End of 2nd lockdown: It's no longer an emergency.
End of 3rd lockdown: It's no longer and emergency.
End of 4th lockdown: ???
It has been, hence the overwhelming majority result today by our elected MPs who speak for us. A cautious return to a permanent state of normality is surely preferable to the open/close/ open/close we have seen in the last year. Patience to ensure fewer patients is the key. Chill, one day this will all be history. Everything is temporary, good as well as bad. Stay safe everyone.
......so Covid is no longer an emergency ? ....Globally, thousands of people are still dying every day ! ....its the "i'm alright jack" attitude that will prolong this pandemic far longer than needed.
I think that view is a little premature. When we reach the point where these powers are no longer needed, that will be a nice problem to have, but just we're not there yet.
Ummm, yes it is, the reason it's less of an emergency is because of the measures put in place.
Seriously after everything we've been through, £125,000+ dead and it's still not sunk in.
Billy, be a good boy and keep banging your bong and let others do the thinking.
Seriously after everything we've been through, £125,000+ dead and it's still not sunk in.
Billy, be a good boy and keep banging your bong and let others do the thinking.
Comment posted by BillyBong, today at 11:03BillyBong
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Coronavirus is no longer an emergency, so emergency powers can no longer be justified. It's an ongoing situation which needs to be managed by professionals. Any new legislation required should be agreed by parliament.
That is what they have just done.
11:03
Coronavirus is no longer an emergency, so emergency powers can no longer be justified. It's an ongoing situation which needs to be managed by professionals. Any new legislation required should be agreed by parliament.
That is what they have just done.
So you don't consider a trip to Intensive Care an emergency, then. Be interesting to hear your lofty opinions when you'r the one on the ventilator.
These are emergency powers - to be used if required.If they are not in place -then the Government cannot act quickly.Too much hysteria about this - calm down dear...
And which century do you propose that these "emergency" powers end?
You clearly have not got the cut of Priti Patel's cloth.
People waking up yet?....why is it taking people so long? Take your masks off, ignore the restrictions, and reclaim your freedom. If we don't, we're screwed.
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You are correct, the more compliance signals them to further push the agenda along. Think about what world compliance is going to create for your kids and grand kids.
It's creatures like you that require the extension of restrictions for everyone.
Oh, look at that….
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
Jellyfish Starmer’s backing the govt… AGAIN.
The only thing he’s useful for, is showing how infiltrated our political system is by the establishment. Like an actor winking at the camera on set.
Can't disagree with that. But, I would add, he agrees with Boris more than BJ's own backbenchers.
KS giving control of L'pool (a Labour run City) over an alleged Property development scandal, however, to a Tory Czar who is believed to have done dodgy deals for donors?...
Not a good look.
KS giving control of L'pool (a Labour run City) over an alleged Property development scandal, however, to a Tory Czar who is believed to have done dodgy deals for donors?...
Not a good look.
Never fear Starmer has Boris's back.
Never trust a man that combs his hair with a balloon......................He's probably a Clown.
today, you own the internet.
A clown with...
“Unlimited Powaaahhh!!!!”
(cue lightening shots from his finger tips)
“Unlimited Powaaahhh!!!!”
(cue lightening shots from his finger tips)
And look what we could of had, if he is such a clown how come Brexit is done and we has one of the Best vaccine programs in the world. Go Boris Go and show these real clowns that they know nothing but how to punch keys.
Comment of the week there, laughed out loud at that one :)
Hah! That is brilliant and I'm going to use it liberally!
Nice thought...someone pulling Boris the clowns trousers out at the waist and pouring down a ton of yellow custard! : ))
The type of people who comb their hair with a balloon do so because they are air-heads.
Much as I enjoyed that, the awful truth is that he's nothing so harmless. A clown wouldn't have put the country under house arrest and then introduced a non temporary bill to curtail protest against bad governments.
He deliberately messes his hair up to appear more of a 'man of the people'. Believe it or not, he can use a comb.
All part of the act.
Speak in a plummy accent with eccentric hair and you can't possibly be a tyrant even though your every policy is tyrannical.
Speak in a plummy accent with eccentric hair and you can't possibly be a tyrant even though your every policy is tyrannical.
tanks for dat father Damo
lmao
lmao
No an idiot
so many armchair experts, the world is full of them.
Personal comments about a political figures looks are not allowed, even if white and male...soz.
Dianne Abbott tho
Dianne Abbott tho
love it
Excellent sir. That one is going to go in my repertoire for future use.
READ ANIMAL FARM & 1984.
We are the frogs and the water is being gently boiled.
We are the frogs and the water is being gently boiled.
Most of the emergency laws aren't needed now, time to let them go.
I don't think thy have any option other than to extend the extraordinary powers at the current time - we're not quite out of the woods yet.
It's just unfortunate we have the Monstrous Muppet nominally in charge. I would have thought with everything else that's going on here and in the rest of the world, having Union flags flying on all government buildings would have been way down the list.
It's just unfortunate we have the Monstrous Muppet nominally in charge. I would have thought with everything else that's going on here and in the rest of the world, having Union flags flying on all government buildings would have been way down the list.
In the same way as confederate flags being displayed in the US would be benign?
Yes a bit of flag waving will solve all the problems such as unemployment, an economy in dire straits, social injustice and upheaval etc etc! Get real!
The new laws havent really made any difference so no point in extending them, People will behave how they behave (the majority obeying rules). This is just an attempt to extend a period of slipping new laws through the back door unopposed
The emergency law could easily be reduced to 3 months or 2 months to meet the vaccine rollout.
Any new laws after that date can easily be voted in.
As per other peoples statements, it seems that they like the authority and control, and don't want to give it up.
Any new laws after that date can easily be voted in.
As per other peoples statements, it seems that they like the authority and control, and don't want to give it up.
So you would have preferred if the Furlough and support schemes had been scrapped 6 months ago then.
Fair enough, tell that to all the people it has helped.
Fair enough, tell that to all the people it has helped.
A warning from history. Once governments take more control over the people, they are always reluctant to give up their new powers. In fact it makes them crave more control.
How?
You made the assertion, provide details and evidence.
Somehow though.........
You made the assertion, provide details and evidence.
Somehow though.........
No. People in Myanmar are living in tyranny. Stop being such a drama queen and see things in perspective. Please.
You are clearly living in the world your name says. The rest of us live in the real world.
a slippery slope ...
They shouldering to end all restrictions immediately. Over half the population has had a jab including all vulnerable groups. There is NO justification for keeping restrictions going any longer. Open up the economy.
Boris is still running scared of his scientific advisers. Their hold over him is worrying. Every time he looks on things more optimistically up they pop like the prophets of doom with another model based on dodgy data with fantasy outcomes attached. They said once groups 1-9 were done, we move out of lockdown gradually nothing about more emergency powers
The question I would ask, but obviously nobody will ever answer, is what level of deaths is acceptable? With the vaccine, case numbers don’t matter as much meaning the metric they are surely going by is deaths. So what is ok? 50 a day? 40?
We need to know this information as a nation so we can make informed decisions moving forward....
We need to know this information as a nation so we can make informed decisions moving forward....
There are substantial numbers of vulnerable people who have not been able to have a vaccine and of their carers who choose not to have the vaccine.
Priority group 9 will not have their second dose until late June. Add two weeks for full efficacy
The group at the greatest risk of "Long Covid" are not in the top 9 priority groups.
And there is a spectre of a variant that gets round the immunity.
Priority group 9 will not have their second dose until late June. Add two weeks for full efficacy
The group at the greatest risk of "Long Covid" are not in the top 9 priority groups.
And there is a spectre of a variant that gets round the immunity.
We are only at 10% of the population vaccinated. The other 40% have only had half the vaccine. Still impressive but we are not quite there yet.
You need to have had TWO vaccine jabs followed by several days to allow it to build up protection. You are not immune but have a lower risk of infection AFTER that time - but you can still pass it on to others. Protect other people first. They should not remove any restrictions yet, contrary to what you are saying.
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Over half of the adult population have had 1 jab. There's still vulnerable people under 18 who have not had the jab.
That is what is happing, just cautions trying to avoid a huge problem for all those that are not vaccinated.
The you can also get Covid seriously, maybe not at many but they have and will continue to until vaccinated.
The you can also get Covid seriously, maybe not at many but they have and will continue to until vaccinated.
And nearly half of the population has not had a jab, you're being silly.
So what you're saying damn the other half that's not been vaccinated? So long as selfish you is okay...
Just look around you. Freedom is gone
More control, more freebies to keep you quiet. Had the Soviets taught about it Silly Comrades. The answer was .....the borrowing, printing more money and giving it away to people was the way to do it. Keeping power, control and make people to obey. Do not need army nor tanks to achieve that ,General Jaruzelski & Leo Brezhniev.
Learn it from the Tories. Greed&capitalism keeps everything ticking?
Learn it from the Tories. Greed&capitalism keeps everything ticking?
It is likely that vaccination will become mandatory for care home staff, along with other healthcare workers. This, alongside the prospect of Covid “certificates“, & the latest suggestion regarding pubs, begs the question: to what extent can the Covid vaccine really be called voluntary? MP Steve Baker, the has said that such requirements would create a “two-tier Britain”.
Would really like to see Parliament control these powers and not the Gov't. There is now opportunity to debate and justify application of restrictions in the public domain - we have effectively been under Marshal Law for a year now. Ongoing sweeping powers without having public scrutiny is just not healthy
It hardly been a case of martial law ...they haven't kept public order by using the military!
"Would really like to see Parliament control these powers and not the Gov't."
With a majority of 80 it's more or less the same thing. The Conservative machine could allow just enough dissenting votes to make it appear the debate is "genuine" but they would never allow the Government to lose.
With a majority of 80 it's more or less the same thing. The Conservative machine could allow just enough dissenting votes to make it appear the debate is "genuine" but they would never allow the Government to lose.
Who is Marshal Law - the new sheriff LOL!? You mean 'martial' I assume?
I wonder what Corbyn would have done if he got into power,
They ARE under control by parliament - Labour are voting WITH the Govt
No...not seen anyone with a gun, in patrols near me. The public have on the whole, been marshaling themselves. I'd say on the whole most in the UK have done the right thing...but as vaccination goes up, the need for restriction goes down. Only IF, IF a new very different variant spreads should these be repealed. But Boris has said this is a one way street. We trust old Boris don't we? ROFL
You employ MP’s and the House of Lords to scrutinise new laws. Speak to yours and ask why their waving them through........
Ditch the Lords because their ineffective and costly. Employ a new set of Lords. They have to retire at 75.
Ditch the Lords because their ineffective and costly. Employ a new set of Lords. They have to retire at 75.
The law was passed by parliament - not the government. It is being debated by MPs in parliament. What part of this democracy do you not understand?
BTW, any more riots in Bristol and the troops may have to be sent in to control the Left Wing activists.
BTW, any more riots in Bristol and the troops may have to be sent in to control the Left Wing activists.
effectively under martial law ? what a load of bolly
One of the biggest problems of Brexit is now biting us all in the arse: Tories hastily writing laws to quash the poor.
Hear hear hear hear hear, banging of papers, how Parliament used to be..
Cue an orgy of echo chamber enthusiasm from people who mistake left wing ad hominem for humour.
I am. The virus is actually quite hard to catch, and quite hard to die from. It's just bad enough to have risked overloading the NHS. Now that threat has receded, these laws are no longer needed.
Which begs the question: why are they being renewed?
Which begs the question: why are they being renewed?
Yes you’re correct those laws will kill at least........
No hold on take the tin foil off
No hold on take the tin foil off
Spoken with all the wisdom of a peanut.
I invite you to live in China, North Korea, Russia or Iran to find out what true dictatorship/totalitarian states are like. Personally I think we are lucky to have the freedoms we are allowed during such unprecidented times.
Yes, why be scared of a killer virus?
People so far died in my age group from coronavirus ~500.
In a country with almost 70million.
Im more likely to min the lottery than I am to die from covid. :-/and
In a country with almost 70million.
Im more likely to min the lottery than I am to die from covid. :-/and
Hardly any point Parliament voting on it, Boris's Tory sheep will vote how hew tells them on anything, up to and including being lambs to the slaughter.
Strange that Tories are the only party that are opposing the ongoing application of emergency powers because it is not democratic and against their principle of empowering the individual. Still if football chant politics is your thing, please continue believing whatever your political tribe dictates
The problem with these rules isn't that they're a bad idea (most of us accept some restrictions in a pandemic) - it's that they're treated as a never-ending 'emergency'. Poverty, terrorism, crime, climate change and, yes, infectious diseases are serious ongoing challenges and require a sustainable, democratic response. All governments love to declare 'emergencies' to avoid checks and balances.
Agreed. I can accept a good many of the restrictions as wise precautions, but I am appalled that it has ever in a western democracy been made a crime to meet family, embrace friends and comfort one's old people. Why were we not outraged by the recent positively presented headline that a daughter had at last been 'allowed' to hold the hands of her own bewildered mother in a so-called care home?
It does strike me that a some of the 'rules' are just to keep us caught up in the emergency of everything. Time to stop the very high sense of peril the government is peddling and strip back to some sensible rules on travel outside of UK, mass events, and the indoor timetable as is. Otherwise rules seen as being 'crackpot', Scotch egg for example, don't work.
Which is why it is for a time limited period.
I can't recall any "emergency" that a UK government has declared in recent history other than re this pandemic., so to suggest that governments love to declare "emergencies" is simply untrue.
that may be so, but, they are always followed by an election. checks and balances.
The govt need emergency powers to rush through billion pound contracts without the need for accountability.
Do you think human rights in Russia was any different before communism in Russia?
Why do you think the bolsheviks revolted in the first place?
Why do you think the bolsheviks revolted in the first place?
Would really like to see Parliament control these powers and not the Gov't. There is now opportunity to debate and justify application of restrictions in the public domain - we have effectively been under Marshal Law for a year now. Ongoing sweeping powers without having public scrutiny is just not healthy
Yet.
"Martial law is the temporary imposition of direct military control of normal civil functions or SUSPENSION OF CIVIL LAW BY GOVERNMENT"
Think emergency powers bypassing parliament fits the latter description?
Think emergency powers bypassing parliament fits the latter description?
It's not over yet, the worst is yet to come.
Only a matter of time, they'll use what force they thinks necessary................?
Yet........
Nor could that ever be a justifiable thing to do, so it's really not an argument in their favour.
Yet.
Correct......for now.
Coffee in the park anyone? Oh you can't, but that's not equiv to martial law?
At least not yet.
They were on standby.
I'm beginning to think all the conspiracy theorists have a point: this is beginning to smell of state control of the population. Careful Boris, stoking the fires of mass protests here.
Already planning laws to reduce the right to protest
If they didn't have a point there would be no need to demonise and laugh at them so often in so many media, would there? When such opprobrium is brought to bear, you know the real reason. There are other popular things, too, that are treated the same way. Just dare to disagree with AGW, for example.
But he is trying to make mass protest illegal
Have you looked into the new crime "bill"
Illegal to make noise when protesting
Illegal to do something you "ought to of known" you shouldnt
They are even trying to make it illegal to go wild camping
Have you looked into the new crime "bill"
Illegal to make noise when protesting
Illegal to do something you "ought to of known" you shouldnt
They are even trying to make it illegal to go wild camping
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Poll Tax riots come to mind. And the Fuel Protests, methinks we're going to have a summer of discontent
No it doesn't, it smells of a Government that cocked things up twice and are petrified of doing so a third time as we might remember at the next election. You fall for conspiracy claptrap if you want to, I'll continue to laugh at it.
Not a conspiracy more of blindly stumbling towards something.
The left don’t need any conspiracies to organise a strike. It’s on page 1 of the things to do list.........
State control of the population is what they were elected for.
It'swhat they do.
Be more careful next time.
It'swhat they do.
Be more careful next time.
just ignore the rules, that was basically how WW2 rationing came to an end, a blackmarket and forged coupons meant the Politicians realised the game was up so gave up.
Have to confess being a level headed man I’m starting to think that there’s more to this virus than meets the eye as the control and change going on is extreme.
I’m sure I’m just having a funny moment ??
I’m sure I’m just having a funny moment ??
Yep, I am ready to join any bloody coup that is planned. We need to remove these dictators.
How so?
Stay home was wise?
Behave yourself bandwagon jumper.
Stay home was wise?
Behave yourself bandwagon jumper.
I agree,but I don't think you have to be a conspiracy theorist.It seems common sense to me to be wary of any authority that thinks it is ok to consider allowing blatant discrimination against someone who is exercising their personal choice(as in the vaccine debate)without them commiting a crime.
Agreed, the best time to of nipped it in the bud would of been last April, the second best time is now
I would agree with you, but backbone has been educated out of our youth.
Any invading country could stroll through this country like an awfully hot knife through butter.
I would go further to say we have been invaded for years, surrendering without us knowing.
Any invading country could stroll through this country like an awfully hot knife through butter.
I would go further to say we have been invaded for years, surrendering without us knowing.
Personally, I want to see the Union flags flying on government buildings. It will not cost much and doesn't impinge on anything else.
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if you can not see why restrictions may be needed just wait untin April when non esential retail opens and the stampede to jd sports etc for must have items begins
Daft comment. You sound like you want to stay hiding away for ever more.
We’ll see. I would bet hospitalisations and deaths will continue to decrease in April.
Many were certain that opening schools would lead to an increase but in fact 2 and a half weeks later even cases have continued to fall and hospitalisations and deaths have fallen at the same rate as before with no noticeable impact whatsoever.
Many were certain that opening schools would lead to an increase but in fact 2 and a half weeks later even cases have continued to fall and hospitalisations and deaths have fallen at the same rate as before with no noticeable impact whatsoever.
Cue the Lib Dems (remember them)?
I'm sure that they would join the EU's Procurement & Vaccination Programme tomorrow to show them how 'European' they are
I'm sure that they would join the EU's Procurement & Vaccination Programme tomorrow to show them how 'European' they are
No the plonkers are those prepared to give up the very freedoms that people like Captain Tom fought for because they are afraid. The Plonkers are the ones thinking this can go on ad infinitum.
Best comment of the day!
Personally, I want to see the Union flags flying on government buildings. It will not cost much and doesn't impinge on anything else.
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Are the bbc going to connect HYS to the national grid? The airwaves will be white hot - 2 threads today - no pubs and extended powers
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Hardly any point Parliament voting on it, Boris's Tory sheep will vote how hew tells them on anything, up to and including being lambs to the slaughter.
Strange that Tories are the only party that are opposing the ongoing application of emergency powers because it is not democratic and against their principle of empowering the individual. Still if football chant politics is your thing, please continue believing whatever your political tribe dictates
The main problem is the Precautionary Principle, manipulated statistics & predictions. In a similar way industries are being closed down in the name of climate change, for which we have is heavily manipulated & cherry picked data and politicians following the Precautionary Principle. Had computer models been around millennia ago we would never have left our caves or used fire. All life is risk.
A warning from history. Once governments take more control over the people, they are always reluctant to give up their new powers. In fact it makes them crave more control.
That's because there were still many shortages until the beginning of the 50s.
Rationing continued because there continued to be a shortage of food. This was recognised by Clement Attlee, the PM at the time. He wasn’t exactly Stalin, was he.
Why did rationing last into the 1950's? It was because of the interventionist socialist policies pursued at the time. For crying out loud, even eggs were rationed! How long do you think it would have taken to increase egg production had they left it to the free market? A few months at most. Rationing was a political decision.
Trouble with many of you lot is that you will insist on following your chief sheep. The fact that Doris told you this would be over by last Christmas never rung alarm bells when he made the same promise again. All he has done is move the forecast forward by six month. Still you hang on to every word you God utters.
As for you Labour party lovers. Your God follows the chief sheep as well it seems.
As for you Labour party lovers. Your God follows the chief sheep as well it seems.
Never trust a man that combs his hair with a balloon......................He's probably a Clown.
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Another example - WW1 changes to "daylight saving time" (an oxymoron) have STILL yet to be repealed, as we find out on Sunday. Real time is GMT, not "BST."
I'm no great fan of the Police but the Clapham Common incident was NOT the Police being heavy handed (but that idea was stoked by the Media)
If those women hasn't gone there, breaking Social Distancing, then nothing would have happened
The Media made those women martyrs, even though they broke the law, all for a woman most of them had never even heard of a few days prior
If those women hasn't gone there, breaking Social Distancing, then nothing would have happened
The Media made those women martyrs, even though they broke the law, all for a woman most of them had never even heard of a few days prior
Nope. No military involved there either.
Very true if you are a Russian or Chinese bot.
Very untrue if you live in a Western democracy like the UK.
You people don't know what freedom is. Hint, it's not freedom to riot and smash things up.
Very untrue if you live in a Western democracy like the UK.
You people don't know what freedom is. Hint, it's not freedom to riot and smash things up.
They told us we were imprisoned (locked down) until a vaccine came along and as long as the ailing NHS was under pressure. This is from the government s-PIM advisory body.
Beginning of April, COVID deaths projected to fall to 20 per day from 92.
COVID hospitalizations should fall to about 2,000 from 4,000.
Daily admissions to hospitals should half to under 150 from 294.
Please let us out NOW.
Beginning of April, COVID deaths projected to fall to 20 per day from 92.
COVID hospitalizations should fall to about 2,000 from 4,000.
Daily admissions to hospitals should half to under 150 from 294.
Please let us out NOW.
But shops and businesses will be open in April and its nearly the end of March now. You can go out now you just can't go to the pub/shops. You'll be able to get your haircut and nails done soon. Not long now, just suck it up for another couple of weeks and it'll soon be over. I doubt anyone will adhere to another lockdown so this has to be the end or there will be riots come summer
We need to stop saying please and make it a clear instruction.
I still can't see what benefit keeping people locked down does for anyone, incl. the government. The police state argument makes no sense to me, destroying people's livelihoods to get voted out in 4 years time. That said, if there is something more nefarious afoot, you can bet the house on mass social unrest happening. It will start in Europe and spread. No new 'laws' will make any difference.
Look up imprisoned in the dictionary, you're version is deeply flawed
So what you’re advocating here is...
‘......to go back into a burning house before the fire is out...’
As the pandemic isn’t over and many experts are warning WE WILL be impacted by the 3rd wave in the EU.
‘......to go back into a burning house before the fire is out...’
As the pandemic isn’t over and many experts are warning WE WILL be impacted by the 3rd wave in the EU.
You can go out, what are you moaning about?
bet the 20 per day had loved ones. but, the pubs will soon be opened.
People are freaks.
You think we locked down for a giggle or live in a police state compared to rest of world.
Freedom and NHS wasted on Muppets.
Clowns lol
You think we locked down for a giggle or live in a police state compared to rest of world.
Freedom and NHS wasted on Muppets.
Clowns lol
The main problem is the Precautionary Principle, manipulated statistics & predictions. In a similar way industries are being closed down in the name of climate change, for which we have is heavily manipulated & cherry picked data and politicians following the Precautionary Principle. Had computer models been around millennia ago we would never have left our caves or used fire. All life is risk.
Clearly you've never read it.....it's a dull, rambling piece of utter nonsense.
Trust me, it is NOT an interesting read. Probably the most turgid pile of drivel ever written.
Good for lighting your pipe with.
Reiver1513
You obviously have never read Mein Kampf or you’d understand what a stupid statement you’ve just made.... .....whether of not your trying to equate today’s bill intentions with those of Adolf or not.
You obviously have never read Mein Kampf or you’d understand what a stupid statement you’ve just made.... .....whether of not your trying to equate today’s bill intentions with those of Adolf or not.
People used to talk about how on earth did Hitler control his people. I don't think it's any grat mystery anymore when you see all the government control worldwide with lockdowns.
Angela Merkel wants a lockdown on Tuesday, but not on Wednesday, and we thought Germans were organised.
Vaccine shambles too
Vaccine shambles too
I bet you’ve read it many times
It is the ramblings of a madman.
with Zero surge testing of people arriving from France Italy Poland Spain we are going to be in lockdown for quite some time to come .
Zero testing at UK ports is killing the UK more and more each day
Zero testing at UK ports is killing the UK more and more each day
Two things here which make me think you either have your head firmly in the sand or in the Momentum Manifesto of the lunatic extreme left:
1 The Soviets were just as bad as the Nazi's if not worse in persecuting and killing their own people.
2 You are clearly politically cycloptic in your thinking if you think the present government is doing nothing for the population as a whole.
1 The Soviets were just as bad as the Nazi's if not worse in persecuting and killing their own people.
2 You are clearly politically cycloptic in your thinking if you think the present government is doing nothing for the population as a whole.
Very disappointing that the so-called opposition is giving its supine support for continued erosion of freedoms.
We dont have an opposition in this country ..
They're corrupt. Doesn't matter if it's tory or Labour, they're all puppets to the same masters
I wonder if politicians can still use the subsidised bars and restaurants in the Houses of Parliament
Especially if you have to wait several days for them to come back off their foreign holidays.
But you can wait for Boris to dither, waffle and show that he really hasn't a clue. Memo to himself, engage brain before putting mouth into gear!
You don't need to. The Civil Contingencies Act 2004 is still in force.
Yes you can. This is no longer an emergency this is now (thanks to the NHS and science) no different to the usual winter flu and just needs a bit of management.
It does NOT ANY MORE need us cowering in our homes forbidden to see parents, grandparents, siblings, children, grandchildren, our friends, families and social groups, our religious stuff, or even just go for a s*dding pint.
It does NOT ANY MORE need us cowering in our homes forbidden to see parents, grandparents, siblings, children, grandchildren, our friends, families and social groups, our religious stuff, or even just go for a s*dding pint.
And there is no need for MPs to have three days of debate before making a decision. The Speaker should encourage MPs who want to make a point to submit their point in writing. These days you can do that fro your mobile phone. The discussion in the HoC can then be done and dusted in a couple of hours. Most MPs have made up their minds long before the debate takes place.
Yes you can, we've got the vaccine now, so a debate in Parliament with all 651 MP's sitting is justified!
Thats what they are paid for. Restrictions only when strictly necessary
Agreed. The average MP is not incredibly clever or educated either with nil knowledge of viruses or vaccines. Valueless but expensive hot air.
have to question if you really understand what freedom is all about, the protests if all this "change" does proceed will make a BLM protest look like a teddy bears picnic, ALL OUR freedoms are being eroded daily..LOOK AROUND YOU FOLKS AND OPEN THOSE EYES AND EARS AND GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT IS GOING ON ALL THE TIME,COMMUNISM IS HAPPENING RIGHT HERE NOW,YOU'D BETTER BELIEVE IT FOLKS
A warning from history. Once governments take more control over the people, they are always reluctant to give up their new powers. In fact it makes them crave more control.
The fact that they've passed legislation to criminalise peaceful protest should be a red flag in any society.
The fact the BBC and tabloid press hardly reported on it while protests and outrage filled city streets and social media is disturbing.
And the fact they've done it with the impact of Brexit on the horizon may not be a coincidence.
The fact the BBC and tabloid press hardly reported on it while protests and outrage filled city streets and social media is disturbing.
And the fact they've done it with the impact of Brexit on the horizon may not be a coincidence.
Your comments show you view the right to protest has greater precedence than the right to life!
You are in the minority and in a democracy the majority view is applied.
You are in the minority and in a democracy the majority view is applied.
It's not long ago that people were saying "Majority of 80, they can do what they want, suck it up losers!".
It's almost as if it comes as a surprise to people who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party that there's a chance that their faces might be eaten by leopards.
It's almost as if it comes as a surprise to people who voted for the Leopards Eating Faces Party that there's a chance that their faces might be eaten by leopards.
Oh yes, are those the peaceful protests which involve setting fire to things, throwing missiles at the police, defacing public property and generally causing chaos....all amongst a pandemic???
If you did some research on that part of the bill, you would realise that the offences for being a public nuisance is already illegal under Common law, all this changes is the need for a court order for the police to act. These rules also cover things like noise complaints and fly tipping.
poeaceful? like in Bristol?
Yeah no way to defend that rent a mob!
Yeah no way to defend that rent a mob!
Absolutely. A politician who asked for these powers with good intent would never have attempted to bring forward such legislation while holding emergency powers and stifling proper scrutiny. In fact, a democrat would have ceded power to a unity government with a short fixed term. A believer in democracy would not have abused the situation to accrue personal power.
These are emergency powers - to be used if required.If they are not in place -then the Government cannot act quickly.Too much hysteria about this - calm down dear...
Just give us our lives back you bunch of criminals!!
Denial, not just a river in Egypt...
A question for all the sheeple you know who you are.. those calling those who question the agenda and policy as Covidiots, Deniers, Antivaxxers, Granny Killers, Conspiricy Theorists etc .. what did your clamour for the jab and name calling get you ? .. "conned" I think is the answer .. as it wasnt freedom was it ? lol .. no prob your apologies wont be necessary hahahaha
I will take every down vote going lol as they will be born out of embarrassment for being so gullible lol
Cultural Marxism. Anti-white racism. Loss of real faith. Endless gov't - endless ministries, programs, printing of money.
Multi-culti - denigration of English history, culture,Nuclear family exploded.
And now the rest of society destroyed on the pretext of a deadly "man-flu", clapped on by covidnazis amongst the ever dumbed down public.
Multi-culti - denigration of English history, culture,Nuclear family exploded.
And now the rest of society destroyed on the pretext of a deadly "man-flu", clapped on by covidnazis amongst the ever dumbed down public.
It's irrelevant that MPs are voting against this when Labour - who are not elected - support the extension and will therefore push this through regardless.
Our whole political system is corrupt to the core
Our whole political system is corrupt to the core
Would really like to see Parliament control these powers and not the Gov't. There is now opportunity to debate and justify application of restrictions in the public domain - we have effectively been under Marshal Law for a year now. Ongoing sweeping powers without having public scrutiny is just not healthy
Public restrictions should not be party political. Conservative MPs are the most vocal against ongoing needless restrictions, and the Gov't will likely need opposition support to uphold emergency powers, so that just does not support your narrative
The 'opposition' have been even more gung-ho for lock-downs etc, so I don't think they are worth appealing to!
Very disappointing that the so-called opposition is giving its supine support for continued erosion of freedoms.
A question for all the sheeple you know who you are.. those calling those who question the agenda and policy as Covidiots, Deniers, Antivaxxers, Granny Killers, Conspiricy Theorists etc .. what did your clamour for the jab and name calling get you ? .. "conned" I think is the answer .. as it wasnt freedom was it ? lol .. no prob your apologies wont be necessary hahahaha