Covid-19: EU leaders to discuss boosting vaccine supplies
25/03/2021 | news | world | 731
Leaders will also review plans to curb exports of Covid vaccines, which could affect supply to the UK.
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25/03/2021 10:10:23 120 5
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Maybe stop scaremongering the AstraZeneca vaccine?
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25/03/2021 10:27:00 52 19
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Exactly!!

Do they or don't they want it?
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25/03/2021 10:42:22 0 3
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No harm in doing their own research
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25/03/2021 10:50:18 1 12
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The EU can do whatever it wants. They don't need the uk permission. The uk is out.
Why should the EU keep sending vaccines to non EU countries. 13 million to the uk is more than enough. British exceptionalims won't work this time. Either johnson gives in or he can say bye bye to EU vaccines. It is could out the for non EU countries
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25/03/2021 11:13:44 0 4
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Its not just the EU that halted its rollout, a number of asian countries did too but people ignore that so they can focus on bashing the EU
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:13:58 13 1
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How many doses has France supplied to the EU?
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25/03/2021 10:14:03 4 1
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Why would you order to give back?
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25/03/2021 10:15:05 10 1
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You are in total denial and seems to me like you have gone into total meltdown! They haven't supplied us with anything. Private companies have through legally binding contracts!
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25/03/2021 10:15:50 11 1
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Why are you ignoring how much vaccine raw material is exported from the UK to the EU? without that they could not really make them anyway
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25/03/2021 10:15:52 9 1
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EU contries have provided nothing, its the companies that export, niot the goverment or the EU.And its not down to the UK goverment to export to the EU.
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25/03/2021 10:16:39 8 0
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Private companies based in Europe have honoured contracts to countries outside of Europe.

Once again, can't get your tiny mind around private firms, Europe and the EU.
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25/03/2021 10:21:48 5 1
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Yes 10 million doses ordered under contract by the UK many months ago. Funny that isn't it. The UK exports the material needed to make the Pfizer vaccine, but we'll ignore that eh. There is no bile or hatred, just frustration at the EU for their incompetence.
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25/03/2021 10:15:49 3 0
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No, it is nothing to do with the EU. It's to do with the UK's contract with individual suppliers, the fact that the UK had the foresight - and the fact that the EU has messed uip big-time and is now trying to crawl out of it's ineptitude by pinning the blame on others. VDL has proven just what a hopeless bully she is.
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25/03/2021 10:34:42 2 0
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You say the EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.
The truth is those 10 million doses that were exported to the UK fron the EU are what the UK government had paid for in advance ,the EU never gave then to the UK for free.
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25/03/2021 10:34:47 0 0
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European countries have not provided vaccines. A private company has from plants based in Europe. No European government has supplied anything
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25/03/2021 10:55:08 2 0
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It’s private companies that export . Not the EU it’s all down to individual contacts
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25/03/2021 10:10:45 64 13
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If only we had stayed in the EU, then our vaccine programme would have been so much more better.

Oh, hang on....
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25/03/2021 10:13:11 15 66
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"More better?"

Even if we had stayed in the EU, we were not required to join their programme. Several EU countries have made bilateral arrangements. Hungary is even using the Russian vaccine.

If you start with your conclusions and try and find facts to fit, you don't get very far.
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25/03/2021 10:10:50 82 7
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Imagine the contract clause with EU suppliers of vaccine for manufactured export... err, and if you're having a good rollout we'll seize your shipment.

EU, it would be funny if it weren't so incompetent.
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25/03/2021 10:15:54 8 19
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Is it not more that they wont be making further trades with countries with higher rollout rates.

While i agree their approach is foolish, remember that this is a pandemic and while our country might be doing well, if it doesnt go well globally then there will be no end in sight for us as a country.
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25/03/2021 10:38:32 0 6
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It is an emergency the EU is a powerhouse and can trigger art 122 of the lisbon treaty. The big fish will eat the small one( uk).
What rhe uk is gonna do ??.
And no the key components coming from the UK are not that important as the EU can source them in Canada.
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25/03/2021 10:40:12 2 3
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Absolute brexiteer rubbish
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25/03/2021 10:10:58 4 12
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I'm a remainer but agree that the EU have really mucked their vaccine rollout up. They shouldnt have sold swathes of their vaccine and then refused delivery when they realised they didnt have enough for themselves.

However, I dont think we can accuse them of hoarding the vaccine or blocking it from us when we havent exported a single dose ourselves. Don't want to be accused of double standards
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25/03/2021 10:27:55 2 1
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"...They shouldnt have sold swathes of their vaccine..."

The EU don't make any vaccine that they can sell.

The EU bought late from companies that do make the vaccines but want to ignore that failure by breaking contract law
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25/03/2021 10:11:24 17 4
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The E U want it then they don't then they do, what a mess. Don't give them anything.
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25/03/2021 10:11:33 39 0
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A big thankyou to all involved in the vaccine production and rollout
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25/03/2021 10:29:40 8 14
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It's a weight off my mind , so it's helping mental health as well as protecting against serious Covid-19 symptoms
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25/03/2021 10:40:13 0 3
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So a big thank you to the EU than sent 13 million pfizer vaccines.
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25/03/2021 10:11:40 148 11
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The EU were caught sleeping, UK and other countries simply did better deals with private companies to procure vaccines
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25/03/2021 10:20:20 17 111
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Other countries such as other EU countries which are also sovereign independent nations? Not sure what your point is.
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25/03/2021 10:19:06 0 28
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Stop the dross.
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25/03/2021 10:32:31 2 28
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The EU sent 13 million vaccines to the UK. Good luck now with the EU export ban. We should say thannk you. There will be delays in the UK unless johnson gives in.
By the way the EU has vaccinated more than 60 million people.
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25/03/2021 10:58:05 0 3
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All you flag wavers seem to forget that if every country in the EU had ordered sufficient vaccines for themselves at the same time as we did there would certainly not be enough for everyone.
Conversely for the fair shares brigade, if all the countries in the world had equal shares of the vaccines we would only have about 100,000 for each country.
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25/03/2021 11:24:31 1 0
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German made vaccine not made in Germany and approved in U.K first..
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25/03/2021 10:12:04 73 9
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EU - incompetent
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UK vaccine-NATION
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25/03/2021 10:39:16 3 1
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5 downvotes amazing still in denial trolls or eu employees or just snowflakes
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25/03/2021 10:39:27 1 5
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EU generous. 13 million vaccines sent to the UK. But the wind has chamged now. Johnson is in begging mode.
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25/03/2021 10:12:30 98 5
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As Mario Draghi pointed out yesterday it isn't about supply.

The EU have plenty of vaccine but they aren't getting it into arms as effectively as the UK.What the Countries in the EU need to do is copy the UK volunteering model and open up masses of vaccination centres.

The people of the EU are as desperate to end this pandemic as we are, teach them to copy our vaccination sites and get jabbing.
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25/03/2021 10:16:00 9 43
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Every dose that arrives in Ireland is in someone's arm within 3 days. The assertion that this is not about supply is pure nonsense.
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 5 4
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I am from NI but residing and working in ROI, Any Vaccine comes in to ROI is in peoples arms within a week max. I would like to know were all the vaccines are in the EU and who is keeping them back
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25/03/2021 10:17:33 1 3
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The EU isnt a country and each constituent nation needs to follow that approach. Different countries are rolling this out differently remember even if they are within the EU
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25/03/2021 10:17:52 16 0
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They are more skeptical about vaccines and sadly a lot of the EU's citizens have been falsely led to believe the AZ jab isn't safe and they just are not coming forward in sufficient numbers.
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25/03/2021 10:22:07 9 0
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The best thing that the EU member countries could copy from the UK is to leave it! The EU ties county's hands, they are not able to move fast enough on what is best for their people.
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25/03/2021 10:39:48 4 0
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Some truth in that. Rather than keep it simple (UK doctors list + age), most EU countries are producing complex priority lists and vaccinating functionaries first. Also, giving 2nd dose inside 3-4 weeks.
No pragmatism - they just love their lists and bureaucracy.
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25/03/2021 10:12:32 146 10
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The EU talks about "reciprocity."

They seem to have missed the fact that the Pfizer vaccine cannot be made without a vital product produced in Yorkshire and freely exported by the private company, Croda, to the Pfizer plant in Belgium.

Whilst no UK manufacturer has exported a complete vaccine to an EU country, UK companies are exporting the essential materials.

THAT is reciprocity...
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25/03/2021 10:26:22 63 26
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The EU has ideas way above it's station
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25/03/2021 10:33:58 0 20
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Sorry but those key essential vaccines come from canada as well. The EU ban will mainly aimed at the UK. The uk is powerless. Johnson can only give in.
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25/03/2021 10:34:00 15 0
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Yes, very true and don't forget the intelectual property IP that resulted from UK cash / resource investment in both research AND production. That's also a tangible export.
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25/03/2021 10:38:53 1 9
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And the UK has bought lots of pfizer vaccines which are yet to be produced so not delivering components doesn't help the UK either.
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25/03/2021 10:42:40 2 13
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The furious response of Leavers to the EU action is to be expected. What is less expected is the rather diplomatic response of Johnson. Has he at last recognised that we need them more than they need us?
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25/03/2021 10:13:01 57 9
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Shameless scapegoating to cover their own butts.

The EU elites protect only themselves not their citizens.

The EU needs to apologise to the UK and Astrazeneca. BTW where is Sweden hiding in all this as the EU trashes one of their own companies?
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25/03/2021 10:19:00 5 29
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Its not about where AstraZeneca comes form, it is about their failure to fulfil their contract. Swedes perhaps are not petty nationalists who see a justified criticism of a company who oversold and underdelivered as a swipe at them personally.
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25/03/2021 10:43:11 1 5
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You should thank the EU for sending 13 million vaccines to the UK. Ingrate
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25/03/2021 10:13:10 4 8
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This a world problem, lets not wrap ourselves in a flag.
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25/03/2021 10:10:45 64 13
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If only we had stayed in the EU, then our vaccine programme would have been so much more better.

Oh, hang on....
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25/03/2021 10:13:11 15 66
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"More better?"

Even if we had stayed in the EU, we were not required to join their programme. Several EU countries have made bilateral arrangements. Hungary is even using the Russian vaccine.

If you start with your conclusions and try and find facts to fit, you don't get very far.
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25/03/2021 10:32:05 7 0
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"If you start with your conclusions and try and find facts to fit, you don't get very far."

Per 100 People
UK:44.7
EU:12.9

No shoehorn required to make that fact fit.
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25/03/2021 10:34:36 10 1
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If your main defence of the EU is that we can opt out and do better anyway, then what's the point of it?
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25/03/2021 10:36:06 5 1
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Hungary is only buying the Russian vaccine because EU countries can only sign deals that the EC has not already signed deals with - even if those deals are about as well negotiated as a Theresa May Withdrawal Deal....
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25/03/2021 10:43:55 1 5
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True but look at the brexiteer downs Do they go to work.
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25/03/2021 10:35:36 3 0
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Its ironic that you of all people should say that.
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25/03/2021 10:57:47 2 0
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Only after being cut loose by the EU when the joint procurement scheme failed.
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25/03/2021 11:05:48 4 0
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You need to look in the mirror. Some EU countries have subsequently made bilateral arrangements citing the slowness of the EU programme that they had signed up to.
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25/03/2021 10:13:42 101 7
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The EU seem very keen to forget that we supply them with the components for their vaccines.

Admit you messed up, kick out VDL and we can move on.

The business world is watching.
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25/03/2021 10:19:17 14 7
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^ this
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25/03/2021 10:31:27 1 9
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So you are advocating threatening their vaccine supplies too?

If we do that then we can't criticise the EU as that would remove our moral high ground (odd we actually have one for a change)
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25/03/2021 10:23:43 8 1
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Because the EU is ridiculously undemocratic, it is not possible to get shot of VDL. In any other organisation, private or public, she would be sacked like a shot!
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25/03/2021 10:35:58 0 14
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You seem very keen to fall for british propaganda. Those key ingredients are made in Canada as well. Sorry but the uk is powerless and johnson knows it.
He tried to be greedy but was caught. He will have to give in now
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25/03/2021 10:39:07 0 7
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You mean brexiteers are watching
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25/03/2021 10:10:58 4 12
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I'm a remainer but agree that the EU have really mucked their vaccine rollout up. They shouldnt have sold swathes of their vaccine and then refused delivery when they realised they didnt have enough for themselves.

However, I dont think we can accuse them of hoarding the vaccine or blocking it from us when we havent exported a single dose ourselves. Don't want to be accused of double standards
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:13:58 13 1
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How many doses has France supplied to the EU?
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:14:03 4 1
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Why would you order to give back?
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25/03/2021 10:14:03 2 7
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I thought this vaccine roll out was going too well. At least the most vulnerable have been vaccinated prior to the inevitable issues. Boris's idiotic comments about greed won't do the UK any favours internationally, either.
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25/03/2021 10:18:39 4 1
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It was a joke. Read more into things you'll get the detail.
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25/03/2021 10:14:17 102 7
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"European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen complained that the EU had exported more than 10 million doses"

The EU has exported nothing. Private companies, based on scientific achievements and collaboration, are honouring contracts that were signed and paid for.

You are not being "penalised" you were just later to the table than others.
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25/03/2021 10:42:22 1 18
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We will see now that the EU export ban starts if the EU exports nothing. The wind has changed
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25/03/2021 10:42:46 1 1
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So private companies in UK exporting none
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25/03/2021 10:46:22 1 5
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So you would be in favour of private companies it’s based in the uk exporting vaccines to the Eu if we were under performing ?

Your post sounds pro big business and pro big pharma and anti the people who need the jabs.

Nationalism is a funny thing isn’t. Does some weird things to people
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25/03/2021 10:47:47 7 1
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EU, over 450 deaths in Italy yesterday, averaging over 400 per day per week currently, the EU's incompetence is there for all to see.
Italy will pass England's total death rate in a few weeks.
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25/03/2021 13:38:17 2 0
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It's worse than that. The EU is complaining that they've been "penalized" by AstraZeneca not giving them vaccine doses that don't exist. That were literally never manufactured due to the EU dragging their feet and making AZ rush to set up production facilities. They've put out endless unfounded claims that AZ made those vaccines and snuck them to the UK, and raided factories to try and prove it.
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25/03/2021 10:14:29 49 4
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The difference between the two similar sized US and EU sums up what a disorganised farce the EU has made of the whole affair.
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25/03/2021 10:19:00 9 8
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That will be the US which is forcing the Serum institute in India to reduce vaccine production by preventing the export of culture bags (which it's own vaccine manufacturers have enough of). If the EU replicate the US model our Pfizer and Moderna supplies will be cut off.

The BBC did a reality check on the situation, I suggest you read it before advocating for the US.
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25/03/2021 10:14:33 39 3
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The vaccine rollout shambles in the EU seems to have taken some by surprise. Evidently nobody has been paying any attention to the CAP for the last 30 years!

The only surprise in all of this is the magnificent roll-out here in the UK. I am very impressed and (forgive me), a little scared that the state is able to organise things so well! It really was a fist class set up when I had mine.
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"The only surprise in all of this is the magnificent roll-out here in the UK. I am very impressed and (forgive me), a little scared that the state is able to organise things so well!"

This is what we should be teaching the EU to do, they need to start the massive volunteer drives the UK had.

Once EU populations see action and a way out of this, no-one will care about who exported which vaccine.
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25/03/2021 10:14:34 42 5
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"EU leaders to discuss boosting vaccine supplies"

OR

EU consider ordering private companies to act in breach of contract
EU consider thieving other country's vaccines & vaccine components

If the UK was even mulling over an idea such as this the squeals of the europhilia synthetic outrage mob would be deafening, so why the silence now?
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25/03/2021 10:19:05 3 9
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It's a similar silence to people that vilify the EU but not India...
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25/03/2021 10:58:24 0 3
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Thieving. Suppose 10 million from EU not thieving. Grow up and base your anti EU rubbish on fact not fiction.
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25/03/2021 10:14:37 4 15
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This doesn't go far enough. The EU should take a greedy UK style approach to this with no exports until everyone in the EU is vaccinated.
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 5 2
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The EU is being greedy ... it has tried hard to halt the low cost AZ vaccine in preference for the expensive Pfizer one ... EU has proven the 'greed' principle but its blown up in their face.
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25/03/2021 10:14:37 53 7
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The best thing they could do would be to borrow a few of the Oxford scientists to sort out the debacle that the French scientists have made of developing their Sonafi vaccine ... which is probably why Macron has been sulking like a small child.
Sonafi Batch number, that one. Removed
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25/03/2021 10:41:22 0 5
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Meanwhile in the real world the EU sent 13 million top Qualitity Pfizer German vaccines to the UK.
The Uk zero to the EU.
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25/03/2021 11:15:39 5 0
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Although the other French vaccine seems to be working OK and will shortly start being produced from a new factory - in Livingstone in Scotland!
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25/03/2021 11:53:26 0 2
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what would your post be if Paris vaccine had worked and oxford hadn't? Oh wait...
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25/03/2021 10:15:00 59 8
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Britain is not providing the Vaccine, a Private company is, maybe the EU should look at how and when they arranged the contract with this Private company and not moan about other countries who acted quicker in this matter
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25/03/2021 10:27:57 5 10
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It is about being quicker. If the UK had been second to sign we would still be in the same situation. Nothing would be exported from the UK until everyone is vaccinated while the UK would import from India and the EU from a company that signed 2 contracts for the same doses and has decided that they are more likely to lose the court case in London than Brussels if they don't deliver.
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25/03/2021 10:31:09 3 14
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they like to point fingers, though
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25/03/2021 10:36:52 0 1
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Make you're mind up!
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25/03/2021 10:45:52 0 6
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And apparently according to contract details EU signed astra zenica contract a day before UK so stop this UK was first argument.
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25/03/2021 10:48:16 0 1
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Pro big business pro big pharma..

If we were exporting vaccines but under performing would you also support private companies based here exporting those vaccines to Europe?

You would support big pharma not vaccinating uk citizens and instead providing those jabs to others.
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The EU is still being incomprehensible in its actions

1. It vilifies the AZ vaccine
2. The vilification leads to a lack of up take and unused stocks in the EU today
3. The EU complains its not getting its fair share of AZ vaccines
4. The EU President openly states the EU should block AZ exports

I really do suspect this is to do with the cost of the AZ vaccine taking profit from others
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25/03/2021 10:32:41 0 0
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Well," the world runs on greed".
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25/03/2021 11:06:39 0 0
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Please let me know which crystal ball you are using. Seem to have facts no one else has
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:15:05 10 1
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You are in total denial and seems to me like you have gone into total meltdown! They haven't supplied us with anything. Private companies have through legally binding contracts!
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 2 10
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Poor deflection. how many doses have been exported by private companies in the UK?

The answer is still zero.
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25/03/2021 10:15:07 81 11
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This BBC reporter is biased. Only yesterday 2 BBC reports ,one by this reporter ,and one a BBC fact check clashed. This reporter repeatedly keeps trying to make out the UK is holding back supplies. The BBC fact check showed that the EU is at fault - e.g. Italy has 25M doses of AZ sitting in a storage facility doing nothing. The problem is solely with the EU and its scare mongering of AZ vaccine.
The BBC is on the side of the EU. Milking Brits for the licence fees to write jingoistic articles explaining how wonderful the EU is and why we should be sorry we voted to leave it. Removed
Those 25 million were hidden ready to be shipped to the Uk.
Thank god the French entrepreneur Breton smelled the coffee and sent the Italian army to stop it.
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25/03/2021 10:49:30 1 7
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You need to check your facts before you comment. I know who I would trust with facts and it's not brexiteers.
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25/03/2021 11:18:43 1 0
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And we know that they are there because the Italian police raided the factory and found out that half is for the EU and half for the COVAX initiative.
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25/03/2021 12:14:15 1 0
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Half of all the AZ vaccines in EU are not used .
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25/03/2021 10:15:40 46 6
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To sum up Macron:

AZ is not safe

Wait, it might be safe

Oh wait it is but only for under 65s

Oh forget that, only for over 55s

Blaming the UK and AZ for their own failings. AZ did not promise any supplies to EU other than "their best efforts".

Proof here:
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/
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25/03/2021 10:24:55 3 30
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AstraZeneca made a complete shambles of their trials. This is what knocked confidence and is nothing to do with the EU. We see again in the US yesterday how they continue to get it wrong. That being said, most Europeans would take a dose of Astrazeneca if only Astrazeneca would deliver them as ordered.
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25/03/2021 10:49:14 1 1
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I read it.
He says that AZ were a bit lacking in doing their job, and the UK demanded all the supply from UK plants. One has to wonder why AZ agreed to that when in Europe they agreed differently. ???
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It’s called testing
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25/03/2021 11:00:41 0 1
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I have no problem with making sure a vaccine is safe. Seems you have
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25/03/2021 10:15:43 3 1
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The limited supply of vaccines can only be resolved by negotiation between countries through good will, hopefully there is enough of that to go round. But my expectations are not high.
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Goodwill yes..........and the foresight and sense to negotiate contracts
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:15:50 11 1
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Why are you ignoring how much vaccine raw material is exported from the UK to the EU? without that they could not really make them anyway
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:15:52 9 1
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EU contries have provided nothing, its the companies that export, niot the goverment or the EU.And its not down to the UK goverment to export to the EU.
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Imagine the contract clause with EU suppliers of vaccine for manufactured export... err, and if you're having a good rollout we'll seize your shipment.

EU, it would be funny if it weren't so incompetent.
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25/03/2021 10:15:54 8 19
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Is it not more that they wont be making further trades with countries with higher rollout rates.

While i agree their approach is foolish, remember that this is a pandemic and while our country might be doing well, if it doesnt go well globally then there will be no end in sight for us as a country.
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25/03/2021 10:19:16 9 0
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Precisely why it's a bad idea to heist vaccine shipments as the EU threatens to do.
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25/03/2021 10:19:32 9 2
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So are you saying we should accept a higher risk of British people dying to protect some French/Italian/Spanish etc? We'll swop you 500 dead for 500 of your living? Just asking.
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25/03/2021 10:40:53 3 2
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Common sense comment not many here
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25/03/2021 10:12:30 98 5
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As Mario Draghi pointed out yesterday it isn't about supply.

The EU have plenty of vaccine but they aren't getting it into arms as effectively as the UK.What the Countries in the EU need to do is copy the UK volunteering model and open up masses of vaccination centres.

The people of the EU are as desperate to end this pandemic as we are, teach them to copy our vaccination sites and get jabbing.
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MC
25/03/2021 10:16:00 9 43
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Every dose that arrives in Ireland is in someone's arm within 3 days. The assertion that this is not about supply is pure nonsense.
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25/03/2021 10:36:04 4 0
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Presumably they have pretty EU flags on the boxes though?
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25/03/2021 10:38:33 0 9
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You're wasting your time explaining anything to anti EU brigade
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25/03/2021 11:01:09 1 0
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That may be the case in the ROI but it’s not replicated across the main EU economies
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25/03/2021 10:16:20 17 4
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I bet Hungry, Italy, Greece and Spain wish they weren't a part of this shambolic state now.
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25/03/2021 10:21:29 3 0
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They wont be for much longer
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25/03/2021 10:36:56 0 0
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I wonder what they are thinking about the EU in the Republic of Ireland?
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25/03/2021 11:21:26 0 0
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No complaints from Spain.
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25/03/2021 10:15:05 10 1
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You are in total denial and seems to me like you have gone into total meltdown! They haven't supplied us with anything. Private companies have through legally binding contracts!
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 2 10
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Poor deflection. how many doses have been exported by private companies in the UK?

The answer is still zero.
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MC
25/03/2021 10:14:37 4 15
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This doesn't go far enough. The EU should take a greedy UK style approach to this with no exports until everyone in the EU is vaccinated.
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 5 2
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The EU is being greedy ... it has tried hard to halt the low cost AZ vaccine in preference for the expensive Pfizer one ... EU has proven the 'greed' principle but its blown up in their face.
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25/03/2021 10:12:30 98 5
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As Mario Draghi pointed out yesterday it isn't about supply.

The EU have plenty of vaccine but they aren't getting it into arms as effectively as the UK.What the Countries in the EU need to do is copy the UK volunteering model and open up masses of vaccination centres.

The people of the EU are as desperate to end this pandemic as we are, teach them to copy our vaccination sites and get jabbing.
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25/03/2021 10:16:26 5 4
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I am from NI but residing and working in ROI, Any Vaccine comes in to ROI is in peoples arms within a week max. I would like to know were all the vaccines are in the EU and who is keeping them back
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25/03/2021 10:29:46 20 0
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There are in the 16M doses in the Catalent bottling plant near Rome that have been there since last weekend.

Part of the 29M that are supposedly "bound for the UK" (the other 13M are for the COVAX initiative).

I'm glad the ROI has an efficient mechanism for vaccine delivery perhaps you could help other EU countries who're struggling.
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25/03/2021 10:39:42 0 0
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As part of the CTA I believe that it is important that ROI get access to vaccines as quickly as the UK - but that is a political decision both for the UK and the EU / Ireland to accept
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25/03/2021 10:16:33 2 0
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#italext
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:16:39 8 0
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Private companies based in Europe have honoured contracts to countries outside of Europe.

Once again, can't get your tiny mind around private firms, Europe and the EU.
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25/03/2021 10:17:07 24 2
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The EU aiming to control private business by force. Very very slippery slope that. Basically they messed up their procurement & are now using communist/state control tactics to get what they need. Disgraceful behaviour. My purchasing from EU countries has just stopped.
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25/03/2021 11:16:15 0 4
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Communist. Don't make me laugh. Right wing Govt in UK.
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25/03/2021 10:17:24 31 3
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I think Mr Breton is deluded if he truly believes that the EU's vaccination program would be on par with the UK if it were not for AstraZeneca. Perhaps if the EU had signed supply contracts earlier, approved the vaccines earlier and not undermined the confidence in the AZ vaccine, then yes he might be able to put the blame on others. This is a failure of the EU commissioners to act.
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25/03/2021 11:07:22 0 5
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They did. One day earlier. Check it out.
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25/03/2021 10:12:30 98 5
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As Mario Draghi pointed out yesterday it isn't about supply.

The EU have plenty of vaccine but they aren't getting it into arms as effectively as the UK.What the Countries in the EU need to do is copy the UK volunteering model and open up masses of vaccination centres.

The people of the EU are as desperate to end this pandemic as we are, teach them to copy our vaccination sites and get jabbing.
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25/03/2021 10:17:33 1 3
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The EU isnt a country and each constituent nation needs to follow that approach. Different countries are rolling this out differently remember even if they are within the EU
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25/03/2021 10:17:37 12 4
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Not one vial should be yielded to the EU. If we're going to be robbed, let's not be complicit in such degrading behaviour.

The world needs to see the EU for what it is: bandits and gangsters.
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25/03/2021 10:17:38 2 1
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Has this all just been a PR stunt by both sides of this argument?

Why can't we just share the ruddy things! Helping everyone will help us all get back to normality faster.
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25/03/2021 10:21:38 2 0
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Foresight in negotiating contract outside of EU.....
It's a good job that the vaccine is not made in a suppository form because Brexiteers don't like it up 'em. Removed
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25/03/2021 10:18:42 6 1
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Still hating your country huh?
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25/03/2021 10:20:26 1 0
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Can`t let go.......can you
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25/03/2021 10:27:19 1 0
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Fixated are we? Unable to move on are we? In thrall to the EU are we? Pathetic
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25/03/2021 10:17:50 28 4
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In a BBC interview , the EU's Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton can state the following and it isn't challenged ?

"if AstraZeneca had provided the agreed 120 million doses to the EU, member states would have been at the same rate of vaccination as the UK"
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25/03/2021 10:20:52 5 0
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Exactly! That would barely scratch the surface taking into account the population of Europe (it's Europe not the EU)
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25/03/2021 10:21:33 6 0
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False ... the member states have blocked AZ use and now 25m doses are sitting in Italy unused.

This is an orchestrated program to attempt to undermine the validity of a low cost vaccine in preference to a very profitable Pfizer version.
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25/03/2021 10:21:43 2 1
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No they wouldn't. EU member states didn't want our British vaccine. We've risked having the jab. They didn't. Cowards!
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25/03/2021 10:27:03 6 0
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I saw that and nearly fell off my chair laughing. So nothing to do with being late in singing contracts or trying to rubbish AZ.
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25/03/2021 10:39:42 2 0
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Selective reporting !

I also saw that interview !

NOT very "sensible", i'd say !
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25/03/2021 11:09:02 0 1
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So tell me why he is wrong. Do you have figures not available to him. Seems brexiteers have second sight
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25/03/2021 13:51:07 0 0
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One, ah, interesting thing about that claim is that AstraZeneca is contracted to supply 100 million doses to the UK and I'm pretty sure the delivery schedule has slipped substantially. It's just that our government has both avoided kicking up a public fuss about it and kept a much better eye on how well production was actually going than the EU did, so it wasn't caught by surprise like them.
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25/03/2021 10:12:30 98 5
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As Mario Draghi pointed out yesterday it isn't about supply.

The EU have plenty of vaccine but they aren't getting it into arms as effectively as the UK.What the Countries in the EU need to do is copy the UK volunteering model and open up masses of vaccination centres.

The people of the EU are as desperate to end this pandemic as we are, teach them to copy our vaccination sites and get jabbing.
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25/03/2021 10:17:52 16 0
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They are more skeptical about vaccines and sadly a lot of the EU's citizens have been falsely led to believe the AZ jab isn't safe and they just are not coming forward in sufficient numbers.
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25/03/2021 10:32:36 2 0
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While this is undoubtably true a massive media blitz in those countries highlighting this as the route back to normality would be more effective than export bans which will lead to the spread of reciprocal bans and slow everyone's exit from lockdowns.
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25/03/2021 10:18:13 5 1
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Our press, and readers, are desperate for scandal and conflict, everything is reported at schoolboy level.
Coronavirus is a global problem, the lack of global cooperation (or even continental cooperation), is a real problem for the future. The manufacture of the vaccine involves global supply chains & cooperation.

PS
But I want my second jab before the foreigners .... LOL
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25/03/2021 10:18:28 14 1
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Strawcat
10:10
"EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none."

1. Private companies have sold vaccine made in their regional plants based in an EU country - NOT the EU.
2. UK only makes AZ vaccine at the moment
3. EU insisted that AZ supply vaccines to EU countries made in an EU country
4. Replication of manufacture is complex and took more time
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25/03/2021 10:18:32 28 1
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Let's not beat around the bush.

Dress it up however you want but the crux is that the EU wants to boost their supplies by seizing vaccines that have been legally bought and paid for by other countries.

The UK is being given the option to agree to this or not.

But it is happening.
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25/03/2021 10:54:37 0 5
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You dressed it up very well

The EU want the vaccines that they legally bought and paid for. They haven't got them.
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25/03/2021 11:05:12 0 2
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I thought the EU had paid for 100 million doses. Where are they.
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25/03/2021 10:14:03 2 7
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I thought this vaccine roll out was going too well. At least the most vulnerable have been vaccinated prior to the inevitable issues. Boris's idiotic comments about greed won't do the UK any favours internationally, either.
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25/03/2021 10:18:39 4 1
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It was a joke. Read more into things you'll get the detail.
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25/03/2021 10:45:10 0 1
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I appreciate it was a joke, and I know he said it in what should have been a private environment, but the EU will not see it that way. I just think a PM should think before they speak, a skill Boris sadly lacks.
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25/03/2021 10:18:39 34 3
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One factor that never seems to be reported (but should be) is how much manufacture vaccine has been wasted and destroyed in EEC countries because they were either too scared to use it or not set up properly to dispense it. Meanwhile, the UK rightly acted to take advantage of the situation.
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25/03/2021 10:23:40 4 14
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How much then? Go on and tell us
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25/03/2021 10:26:03 4 0
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the AZ vaccine has a 6 month storage life , so none have been destroyed
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25/03/2021 10:27:23 6 0
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Correct. We listened to our experts, took a slight risk having the jab, and those cowardly people hung back to see if we would be okay. I'm doing fine thanks VD Leyden.
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25/03/2021 10:37:27 5 0
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EEC?

Now those were the good old days! No wait... EEC metamorphosed into a monster, and it wasn't that pretty to start with.
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25/03/2021 11:03:32 0 2
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Evidence on destroyed vaccine. None.
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25/03/2021 11:15:36 6 0
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The UK didn’t take advantage of anyone, just negotiated and invested early. Subsequently getting blamed by the EU who have shown poor commercial skills and are seeking to blame an innocent bystander. Vaccination problems when available in the EU are caused by antivax sentiments fuelled by Quasi ineffective politicians.
It's a good job that the vaccine is not made in a suppository form because Brexiteers don't like it up 'em. Removed
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25/03/2021 10:18:42 6 1
bbc
Still hating your country huh?
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25/03/2021 10:23:13 0 1
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No, just Brexiteers.
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jon
25/03/2021 10:18:46 16 2
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The EU need ingredients and components from the UK to manufacture their Pfizer vaccine. It should surely be possible to guarantee the supply chain in exchange for a return of vaccines to the UK. The 10m doses we have already received are a drop in the ocean compared with the EU’s overall roll-out. Why risk a total collapse of the supply chain when all manufacturers are objecting to export bans.
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25/03/2021 10:13:01 57 9
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Shameless scapegoating to cover their own butts.

The EU elites protect only themselves not their citizens.

The EU needs to apologise to the UK and Astrazeneca. BTW where is Sweden hiding in all this as the EU trashes one of their own companies?
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MC
25/03/2021 10:19:00 5 29
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Its not about where AstraZeneca comes form, it is about their failure to fulfil their contract. Swedes perhaps are not petty nationalists who see a justified criticism of a company who oversold and underdelivered as a swipe at them personally.
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25/03/2021 10:24:33 3 0
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Supplies dip just as with every other vaccine maker.
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25/03/2021 11:01:06 7 0
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The UK have only taken delivery of 20% of the Pfizer vaccine contractually agreed so far. Where is the outrage on that? Pfizer have failed to deliver to the EU procurement scheme as contractually agreed so far. Where is the outrage on that? Another selective EU narrative. Its what they are good at. Not so good at complex global supply chain negotiating.
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25/03/2021 11:11:29 5 0
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Out of curiosity MC how do we know that AstraZeneca are not fulfilling their contract? As far as I know that allegation has not been litigated in any court. I would have thought that if the EU believe they have a case of breach of contract (which might well have,) they would seek to test that claim in the Belgium with jurisdiction . Anything less seems extra-judiciary and arbitrary to me.
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25/03/2021 10:14:29 49 4
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The difference between the two similar sized US and EU sums up what a disorganised farce the EU has made of the whole affair.
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25/03/2021 10:19:00 9 8
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That will be the US which is forcing the Serum institute in India to reduce vaccine production by preventing the export of culture bags (which it's own vaccine manufacturers have enough of). If the EU replicate the US model our Pfizer and Moderna supplies will be cut off.

The BBC did a reality check on the situation, I suggest you read it before advocating for the US.
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25/03/2021 11:33:27 1 0
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BBC Reality Check ?

That's a good joke, you should look to get that put in next Christmas's crackers.
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25/03/2021 10:19:05 3 7
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The whole point of Brexit was to escape the clutches of the EU. Seems like we dropped ourselves in it by relying on the production of vaccine in the EU. We need to do better.
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25/03/2021 10:24:55 1 0
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The UK lacked vaccine production capacity ... it is now building new capacity in the UK. It was the product of EU membership and an assumption by all those EU complicit UK governments to not bother.

It has taken a Brexit government to reverse that trend.
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25/03/2021 10:26:49 0 0
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We are not relying on EU production though, most of the UK vaccines are manufactured across three sites in the UK, it`s the EU that are now basically saying they want the vaccines from UK plants
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25/03/2021 10:14:34 42 5
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"EU leaders to discuss boosting vaccine supplies"

OR

EU consider ordering private companies to act in breach of contract
EU consider thieving other country's vaccines & vaccine components

If the UK was even mulling over an idea such as this the squeals of the europhilia synthetic outrage mob would be deafening, so why the silence now?
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25/03/2021 10:19:05 3 9
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It's a similar silence to people that vilify the EU but not India...
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25/03/2021 10:59:10 0 3
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Of course. Illustrates why they voted for Johnson.
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25/03/2021 11:04:03 1 1
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Logical fallacy.
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25/03/2021 10:19:11 10 1
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The article shows the problem is between AstraZeneca and the EU. So instead of sorting it out in the courts, where the issue belongs, the EU seems to want to hog what AZ produce.

I think Brexit was a mistake, but that EU response is crass going on crazy..

Maybe AZ should move to the UK?
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25/03/2021 10:58:45 0 0
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We haven't got the space for all those factories.
AZ is a company with several plants on all continents.
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25/03/2021 10:15:54 8 19
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Is it not more that they wont be making further trades with countries with higher rollout rates.

While i agree their approach is foolish, remember that this is a pandemic and while our country might be doing well, if it doesnt go well globally then there will be no end in sight for us as a country.
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25/03/2021 10:19:16 9 0
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Precisely why it's a bad idea to heist vaccine shipments as the EU threatens to do.
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25/03/2021 10:13:42 101 7
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The EU seem very keen to forget that we supply them with the components for their vaccines.

Admit you messed up, kick out VDL and we can move on.

The business world is watching.
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25/03/2021 10:19:17 14 7
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^ this
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25/03/2021 10:19:25 1 8
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The irony of Macron & Co providing the perfect smokescreen for Johnson's government regarding the trade, economic and Irish border debacle.
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25/03/2021 10:15:54 8 19
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Is it not more that they wont be making further trades with countries with higher rollout rates.

While i agree their approach is foolish, remember that this is a pandemic and while our country might be doing well, if it doesnt go well globally then there will be no end in sight for us as a country.
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25/03/2021 10:19:32 9 2
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So are you saying we should accept a higher risk of British people dying to protect some French/Italian/Spanish etc? We'll swop you 500 dead for 500 of your living? Just asking.
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25/03/2021 10:27:52 3 7
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What i'm saying is that if we don't roll this out globally and quickly then the virus has a chance to mutate in areas where the vaccine rollout is poor and may result in immune response avoidance.... which is literally happening in India right now where a double mutation was spotted.

Yes the UK has done well through its greed, but thats pointless if the vaccine loses effectiveness
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25/03/2021 10:19:39 20 1
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If the EU can hold back on the AZ vaccine then the more expensive and very profitable Pfizer one will be used for both doses.

Is this market manipulation which goes to the heart of both the EU and now the USA which questioned the AZ vaccine trial results recently released ?

If you look at the number of questionable AZ claims by the EU and USA you do have to ponder this is a very dirty game.
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25/03/2021 10:24:00 6 0
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An interesting angle. The world runs on greed, so you could have a point!
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25/03/2021 10:25:21 0 0
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Precisely what I've been saying for two weeks!
Same issues apply to pfizer/moderna with production but no public mention of that from the EU.
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25/03/2021 10:19:52 3 1
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As a slight aside, I have to say the Americans are doing really well. They have been catching us up on that graph for a while now.

Perhaps Biden is calling to give them some advice on how to do it properly.
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25/03/2021 10:20:03 43 6
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Our lovely European friends, up to their old tricks again. Ever heard the expression, with friends like those, who needs enemies!?

Yet another vindication for us getting away from this dreadful collective (that we never actually joined in the first place).
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25/03/2021 10:25:10 5 28
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We have Boris, I would rather have visible enemies, than Tory back door oppression. Heil boris
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25/03/2021 10:31:55 2 14
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Hear hear
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25/03/2021 10:34:26 0 3
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James is your last paragraph a tad contradictory?
Sad to see Weatherspoons still closed otherwise you would not have received so many bigots upticking your comments,
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25/03/2021 10:45:07 1 3
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You should thank the EU. Sending loads and loads of vaccines and getting zero back. But the wind has changed. Why should they keep sending their vaccines to non EU britain. British exceptionalism won't work. It is could outside the EU
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25/03/2021 10:55:16 0 3
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Waste of time responding to anti EU brigade. The acceptance of frequently peddled lies without checking facts illustrates this.
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25/03/2021 10:20:14 11 2
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The German Empire has spoken
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25/03/2021 10:23:25 1 3
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Ursula is Belgian by birth.
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25/03/2021 10:24:48 0 0
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Has Liz been on telly ?
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25/03/2021 10:11:40 148 11
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The EU were caught sleeping, UK and other countries simply did better deals with private companies to procure vaccines
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25/03/2021 10:20:20 17 111
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Other countries such as other EU countries which are also sovereign independent nations? Not sure what your point is.
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25/03/2021 10:22:00 43 2
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nor yours
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25/03/2021 10:28:01 39 4
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your point of view pushing the EU idea constantly is falling on deaf ears
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25/03/2021 10:33:11 35 1
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The fact is, EU nations were able to procure Vaccines themselves. However they did not and wet with the EU programme. Idea in theory better as smaller nations get the bargaining power of the EU. In reality, the EU is slow and cumbersome crippled by needless bureaucracy. slow to react and now these individual nations are paying the price for not going alone.
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25/03/2021 10:35:47 23 1
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It's simple they all said the commission would collectively procure the vaccine is that simple enough for you stop trolling your embarrassing yourself
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25/03/2021 10:36:22 11 0
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So all these independent sovereign countries all have individual separate deals with AZ? Got it.
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25/03/2021 10:39:41 9 0
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Ah, so your point is that the sovereign nations within the EU could have acted as we did and secured early orders of the vaccine but didn't bother?

I suppose at least it takes the blame away from the EU itself, which would be an attractive position for an EU-phile such as yourself.
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25/03/2021 10:40:35 6 0
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Pretty obvious isnt it?
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25/03/2021 10:45:25 7 0
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The point is we got in and purchased the vaccine first.
Simple economics my friend.
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25/03/2021 11:47:47 2 0
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But you are sure really aren't you Strawcat. They perhaps could have acted independently but didn't. Because they are effectively ruled by the EU, by which I mean Germany.

Vichy France was independent too, and yet somehow......
It's a good job that the vaccine is not made in a suppository form because Brexiteers don't like it up 'em. Removed
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25/03/2021 10:20:26 1 0
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Can`t let go.......can you
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MVP
25/03/2021 10:20:30 5 12
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Boris Johnson said yesterday that "greed" was the reason that the UK had secured more than its fair share of vaccines so far.

This is nothing to be proud of.
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25/03/2021 10:21:46 5 1
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Being Europe's leader in the vaccine race is.
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25/03/2021 10:22:19 1 0
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He never said that ... now you are adding new words around the word 'greed'.

Typical misinformation as usual
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25/03/2021 10:29:19 0 0
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It is nothing to do with greed, it's more to do with the UK approved the use AZ vaccine earlier then the EU did, the UK
signed contracts 3 months earlier with AstraZeneca then the EU did. The UK government for once got their act together with the roll out of the vaccine quicker then the EU have . Certain EU leaders made comments about the AZ vaccine that put their citizen of having the vaccine.
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25/03/2021 10:17:50 28 4
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In a BBC interview , the EU's Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton can state the following and it isn't challenged ?

"if AstraZeneca had provided the agreed 120 million doses to the EU, member states would have been at the same rate of vaccination as the UK"
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25/03/2021 10:20:52 5 0
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Exactly! That would barely scratch the surface taking into account the population of Europe (it's Europe not the EU)
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25/03/2021 11:11:17 0 1
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So 70 million vaccinated in Europe and add the balance of 120 million, add second doses. Maths not your strong point. Anti EU bias gets in your way.
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EW
25/03/2021 10:21:03 8 1
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I for one am very glad our vaccine rollout is successful. Not sure the EU have covered themselves in glory over their debacle ! Too slow to react. Shame.
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25/03/2021 10:21:29 4 3
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"Last week, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen complained that the EU had exported more than 10 million doses to the UK, but the UK had so far exported none in return"

Do as we say, not as we do.
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25/03/2021 10:23:28 9 2
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The EU did not. Private companies exported!
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25/03/2021 10:16:20 17 4
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I bet Hungry, Italy, Greece and Spain wish they weren't a part of this shambolic state now.
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25/03/2021 10:21:29 3 0
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They wont be for much longer
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25/03/2021 10:17:50 28 4
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In a BBC interview , the EU's Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton can state the following and it isn't challenged ?

"if AstraZeneca had provided the agreed 120 million doses to the EU, member states would have been at the same rate of vaccination as the UK"
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25/03/2021 10:21:33 6 0
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False ... the member states have blocked AZ use and now 25m doses are sitting in Italy unused.

This is an orchestrated program to attempt to undermine the validity of a low cost vaccine in preference to a very profitable Pfizer version.
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25/03/2021 10:17:38 2 1
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Has this all just been a PR stunt by both sides of this argument?

Why can't we just share the ruddy things! Helping everyone will help us all get back to normality faster.
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25/03/2021 10:21:38 2 0
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Foresight in negotiating contract outside of EU.....
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25/03/2021 10:17:50 28 4
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In a BBC interview , the EU's Internal Market Commissioner Thierry Breton can state the following and it isn't challenged ?

"if AstraZeneca had provided the agreed 120 million doses to the EU, member states would have been at the same rate of vaccination as the UK"
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25/03/2021 10:21:43 2 1
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No they wouldn't. EU member states didn't want our British vaccine. We've risked having the jab. They didn't. Cowards!
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25/03/2021 10:20:30 5 12
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Boris Johnson said yesterday that "greed" was the reason that the UK had secured more than its fair share of vaccines so far.

This is nothing to be proud of.
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25/03/2021 10:21:46 5 1
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Being Europe's leader in the vaccine race is.
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25/03/2021 10:10:34 7 35
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EU countries have provided 10m doses to the UK. In return the UK has exported none.

The NHS is heavily reliant on overseas staff and we are grateful to them.

Despite this, people who voted to control immigration are full of bile and hatred towards an organization which they are no longer a member of anyway.

It's truly shameful.
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25/03/2021 10:21:48 5 1
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Yes 10 million doses ordered under contract by the UK many months ago. Funny that isn't it. The UK exports the material needed to make the Pfizer vaccine, but we'll ignore that eh. There is no bile or hatred, just frustration at the EU for their incompetence.
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25/03/2021 10:20:20 17 111
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Other countries such as other EU countries which are also sovereign independent nations? Not sure what your point is.
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25/03/2021 10:22:00 43 2
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nor yours
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25/03/2021 10:25:11 10 32
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It's a simple one, people are referring to the EU as if it is a singular nation which it is not, individual nations within the EU are sovereign and can roll their vaccines out whatever way they want.
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25/03/2021 11:03:03 6 0
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What you should realise is that Strawcat is a rabid rejoiner. The EU represents everything that is holy to him, it and all of it's apparatchiks are utterly infallible in his eyes, therefore any criticism of them can only be driven by ultra right-wing ideology in his opinion. The root of his mania is his inability to accept that the democratic process in the UK has rejected his extremist socialism!
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25/03/2021 10:20:30 5 12
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Boris Johnson said yesterday that "greed" was the reason that the UK had secured more than its fair share of vaccines so far.

This is nothing to be proud of.
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25/03/2021 10:22:19 1 0
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He never said that ... now you are adding new words around the word 'greed'.

Typical misinformation as usual
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25/03/2021 10:22:37 25 3
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The EU painted itself into a corner with threatening vaccine exports. Just like it did with the Irish border and protocol. When other countries and international organisations make noises against their behaviour and possible knock on effects they have to back peddle. The commission in particular treat the EU project as a sacred cow that can do no wrong and is all things to all people.
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25/03/2021 10:30:35 6 0
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Correction. The EU Commission IS the sacred cow.
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25/03/2021 10:22:42 23 2
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The EU is a global covid hotspot thanks to idiots like Macron and Merkel. Never in all my years have I know two leaders act is such ridiculous ways. Spreading lies and scaremongering we know is the French way, but you would think the Germans might have a touch more sense.
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25/03/2021 10:29:23 4 0
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"...the Germans might have a touch more sense."

They did start two world wars, don't forget.

(Quietly removes tongue from cheek)
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25/03/2021 10:30:30 0 5
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The EU is probably a global Covid hotspots thanks to idiots from UK who are infected with the UK variant travelling to the mainland. Currently northern Poland which is in lockdown has 60% of their Covid cases being of the UK variant, and reports suggest that this could increase to 80% over the coming days.
Why are so many European haters. It is very sad and belittles you.
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25/03/2021 10:30:30 5 0
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It is astonishing that a country that has such a high level of education, and of technical and scientific expertise as Germany has, could be affected by irrational fear of one vaccine.
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25/03/2021 11:18:48 1 2
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Just a few weeks ago UK was Plague Island. Forgotten that no doubt.
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25/03/2021 10:14:33 39 3
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The vaccine rollout shambles in the EU seems to have taken some by surprise. Evidently nobody has been paying any attention to the CAP for the last 30 years!

The only surprise in all of this is the magnificent roll-out here in the UK. I am very impressed and (forgive me), a little scared that the state is able to organise things so well! It really was a fist class set up when I had mine.
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25/03/2021 10:22:58 12 2
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"The only surprise in all of this is the magnificent roll-out here in the UK. I am very impressed and (forgive me), a little scared that the state is able to organise things so well!"

This is what we should be teaching the EU to do, they need to start the massive volunteer drives the UK had.

Once EU populations see action and a way out of this, no-one will care about who exported which vaccine.
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25/03/2021 10:23:00 10 2
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EU was fooled. Go UK !!!
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25/03/2021 10:18:42 6 1
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Still hating your country huh?
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25/03/2021 10:23:13 0 1
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No, just Brexiteers.
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25/03/2021 10:23:14 26 2
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If I owned a pharmaceutical company I'd be looking at pulling all manufacturing from the EU asap.

Why do business somewhere where the authorities have made it legal to essentially nationalise and steal tour product?
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25/03/2021 11:15:00 0 4
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Think you'll find most businesses are going the other way.
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25/03/2021 10:23:19 26 4
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Let's be honest ... the EU is basically run by the french and Germans ... so what did you expect ?
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25/03/2021 10:26:01 6 1
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I expect a decent whine from the French at least ... and we are certainly getting that in bucket loads.
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25/03/2021 10:26:00 0 1
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Efficiency and more honesty - not bozo's field really.
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25/03/2021 10:26:04 2 0
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You forgot to add 'for the French and Germans'. Abut time the rest of Europe woke up and smelled the coffee.
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25/03/2021 11:14:06 0 1
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And UK run by right wing tories
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25/03/2021 10:23:21 19 2
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so they want to block a vaccine export they don't want , perhaps we could block the components of the other vaccine , and if you have a company in the EU i would be looking at this anti trade legislation and maybe moving production out of the EU .
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25/03/2021 10:39:49 0 3
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But all my customers are in the EU so why increase costs?
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25/03/2021 10:20:14 11 2
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The German Empire has spoken
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25/03/2021 10:23:25 1 3
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Ursula is Belgian by birth.
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25/03/2021 10:32:37 0 0
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And Adolf was born in Austria.
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25/03/2021 10:49:29 0 0
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Not a great start to life hahahahaha is it even a real country
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25/03/2021 10:21:29 4 3
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"Last week, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen complained that the EU had exported more than 10 million doses to the UK, but the UK had so far exported none in return"

Do as we say, not as we do.
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25/03/2021 10:23:28 9 2
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The EU did not. Private companies exported!
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25/03/2021 10:23:37 5 8
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Of course if you think it's reasonable for the UK to hold onto vaccines when it needs to you must also agree that it's reasonable for India to hold onto batches of Oxford-AZ made there.
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25/03/2021 10:25:55 1 0
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Not if a legal contract has been made to purchase them.
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25/03/2021 10:18:39 34 3
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One factor that never seems to be reported (but should be) is how much manufacture vaccine has been wasted and destroyed in EEC countries because they were either too scared to use it or not set up properly to dispense it. Meanwhile, the UK rightly acted to take advantage of the situation.
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25/03/2021 10:23:40 4 14
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How much then? Go on and tell us
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25/03/2021 10:44:51 2 0
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It's not us it's you your on the net now go look it up yourself troll
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25/03/2021 11:04:02 0 2
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He can't.
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25/03/2021 10:19:39 20 1
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If the EU can hold back on the AZ vaccine then the more expensive and very profitable Pfizer one will be used for both doses.

Is this market manipulation which goes to the heart of both the EU and now the USA which questioned the AZ vaccine trial results recently released ?

If you look at the number of questionable AZ claims by the EU and USA you do have to ponder this is a very dirty game.
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25/03/2021 10:24:00 6 0
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An interesting angle. The world runs on greed, so you could have a point!
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25/03/2021 10:19:00 5 29
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Its not about where AstraZeneca comes form, it is about their failure to fulfil their contract. Swedes perhaps are not petty nationalists who see a justified criticism of a company who oversold and underdelivered as a swipe at them personally.
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25/03/2021 10:24:33 3 0
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Supplies dip just as with every other vaccine maker.
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25/03/2021 10:15:40 46 6
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To sum up Macron:

AZ is not safe

Wait, it might be safe

Oh wait it is but only for under 65s

Oh forget that, only for over 55s

Blaming the UK and AZ for their own failings. AZ did not promise any supplies to EU other than "their best efforts".

Proof here:
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/2021/01/26/news/interview_pascal_soriot_ceo_astrazeneca_coronavirus_covid_vaccines-284349628/
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25/03/2021 10:24:55 3 30
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AstraZeneca made a complete shambles of their trials. This is what knocked confidence and is nothing to do with the EU. We see again in the US yesterday how they continue to get it wrong. That being said, most Europeans would take a dose of Astrazeneca if only Astrazeneca would deliver them as ordered.
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25/03/2021 10:30:02 11 0
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"if only Astrazeneca would deliver them as ordered."

The link above clearly shows that AZ did not commit to a number, this was clear when they signed the EU deal. EU then blame AZ, farcical, to seize supplies meant for other countries is a disgrace.

All nations agree the AZ vaccine is safe, the U-turn that the EU has had to make is an embarrassment. Then trying to blame to UK. Shame on them
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25/03/2021 11:01:25 0 1
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Common sense comment for a change
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25/03/2021 11:05:16 1 0
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incorrect.
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25/03/2021 10:19:05 3 7
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The whole point of Brexit was to escape the clutches of the EU. Seems like we dropped ourselves in it by relying on the production of vaccine in the EU. We need to do better.
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25/03/2021 10:24:55 1 0
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The UK lacked vaccine production capacity ... it is now building new capacity in the UK. It was the product of EU membership and an assumption by all those EU complicit UK governments to not bother.

It has taken a Brexit government to reverse that trend.
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25/03/2021 10:20:03 43 6
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Our lovely European friends, up to their old tricks again. Ever heard the expression, with friends like those, who needs enemies!?

Yet another vindication for us getting away from this dreadful collective (that we never actually joined in the first place).
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25/03/2021 10:25:10 5 28
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We have Boris, I would rather have visible enemies, than Tory back door oppression. Heil boris
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25/03/2021 10:43:57 0 0
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Can you not see Boris then?!
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25/03/2021 10:56:30 0 2
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How many lies yesterday at PMQs. When is a cut not a cut, ask Boris.