Covid-19: Pubs could require vaccine passports - Boris Johnson
25/03/2021 | news | politics | 5,396
But one Conservative MP says "papers for pubs" would lead the country into "a ghastly trap".
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24/03/2021 21:14:10 291 102
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The pubs who enforce such a policy will not be trading very long due to lack of sales. And I'm dust in this hys- love it
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24/03/2021 21:16:34 372 399
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Actually, they may get plenty of customers who want to have a drink in a safe covid free environment..just saying..
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24/03/2021 21:19:55 13 4
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Don’t be so hard on yourself - you’re not dust.

But chin up - you were first to post ?? cheers!
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24/03/2021 21:21:58 18 10
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Well people can’t say they weren’t warned about what was going to happen despite what Gove said. Far too late to start moaning about it now
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24/03/2021 21:34:26 31 12
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And who will work in these pubs? The majority of hospitality workers haven’t been vaccinated. They are surely not suggesting it is ok for an unvaccinated person to work in a pub but not socialise in it?
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24/03/2021 22:24:39 9 10
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I will prefer pubs who want proof.
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24/03/2021 22:35:11 4 13
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The pubs that don't enforce it will lose customers; I for one wouldn't go to any pub that doesn't enforce a vaccination policy.
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24/03/2021 22:45:11 3 2
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The few pubs that remain since the smoking ban will soon be gone if you have to get vaccinated 2,3,4 times a year to enter one. Pubs will be known as restaurants in the not too distant future.
DLD
24/03/2021 23:13:37 2 2
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Yes they will be fine.
24/03/2021 23:20:42 4 2
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They got rid of most the thirsty smokers. Now they're going for the unvaccinated. Who will be next I wonder??
25/03/2021 00:07:49 1 1
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You lot said that about the supermarkets and masks too. You overestimate your numbers. Most of us don’t want covid, horrible virus know several people who have had it.
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25/03/2021 02:05:39 1 6
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I would spend the money I have saved this year in a pub, restaurant or hotel that actually cared about the health of its staff and customers. Those who can't be vaccinated would of course be given an exemption or provided a negative test
25/03/2021 06:48:51 0 5
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Really. I would go to them and I think a lot of others will. It will be the indistructable young who won't go as they will not have a passport. They won't be missed while trying to have a quiet drink and meal.
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24/03/2021 21:15:19 23 20
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It's all about free choice, if the pub wants to enforce vaccine passports, it's their choice and if you want to get one then go there.

If not, self isolate and let everyone else get on with it.
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24/03/2021 21:17:52 20 13
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And if you have a condition that stops you being able to have a vaccination you are excluded from society?

Equality and discrimination laws will tear this to pieces.
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24/03/2021 21:15:26 7 10
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No vaccination certificate ,then a negative test result is the answer
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24/03/2021 21:15:54 53 21
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forced vaccination all along
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24/03/2021 21:16:51 30 31
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No one is forcing anyone
25/03/2021 11:43:43 0 1
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nothings stopping you drinking at home, or the pub on the end of the street where the landlords decided he will go for the conspiracy loon market and chosen not to check passports.
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:17:37 14 18
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Well said
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24/03/2021 21:19:23 12 7
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"Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday"

Why?
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24/03/2021 21:21:02 15 6
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Oh dear,, you need to think about things a bit more deeply
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24/03/2021 21:21:05 16 9
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Yes and I guess some people thought it was a brilliant idea that Jews had to wear a yellow star of david on their clothes.....
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24/03/2021 21:23:07 12 10
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Delusional. You can’t possibly live in the real world.
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24/03/2021 21:23:34 12 6
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:26:51 6 11
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Tory apologist with 126,000 deaths at his door.
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24/03/2021 21:29:02 8 6
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What a cowering little man you must be ??
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24/03/2021 21:39:00 5 4
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Maybe back in 1939 Germany, we have moved on since then.
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24/03/2021 21:15:57 46 10
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April 1st it is not unfortunately folks.
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24/03/2021 22:34:49 42 13
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Absolutely diabolical idea:

1) It utterly discriminates against the young who will have to wait several months longer for a vaccine.

2) Some people aren't allowed to be vaccinated for medical reasons.

3) Being vaccinated does not prevent transmission of the virus.

I'm not anti-vax by any means. But Johnson must issue a ruling right now to prevent vaccine discrimination!!
25/03/2021 04:46:06 3 6
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1) they could allow groups who haven't been offered it yet a pass until they are offered it
2) those people would surely be exempt or too ill to go the pub anyway
3) yes it does, just not with 100% efficiency, which is why we need as many people vaccinated as possible or there will be outbreak after outbreak
25/03/2021 04:46:17 5 5
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why should landlords serve those who haven't contributed towards their reopening and that are happy to risk yet another lockdown just because they are scared of needles or believe some nonsense on the internet?
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24/03/2021 21:16:05 6 16
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Hark! the the sound of gammon exploding. Go for it lads.
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24/03/2021 21:21:30 6 4
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You're parading your own ignorance.
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25/03/2021 13:05:20 0 1
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Could explain a little more what you mean walnut? Is that gammon exploding in the pub kitchens - possibly because of too much water content? If not, what did you mean, as I cannot understand what having a jab has got to do with 'gammon'?
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24/03/2021 21:16:14 627 52
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Roll up roll up, get ya hooky negative test cert from your local dealer soon.
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24/03/2021 21:38:33 305 44
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World's gone mad.
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24/03/2021 22:00:28 7 6
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Why, when most of Europe is open, have they not enforced a vaccine passport for the same thing?
Maybe the safety issue is the real issue...
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24/03/2021 22:08:16 5 13
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It'd be done via your NHS app.
Time to get on with it, open up fully, and as soon as possible. No social distancing, no virtue signalling masks. If you believe that wearing a bacteria filled rag on your face will stop a virus, you are sadly mistaken. And drop the asymptomatic spread charade too. If covid didn't have a 24/7 publicity campaign, then you wouldn't know it was there. Removed
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24/03/2021 22:22:50 28 6
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It would be a good idea if the vaccine stopped people from carrying the virus and transmitting it, but it seems it doesn't and only stops you having bad symptoms. So there's little point in having the passport. It seems unenforceable anyhow. If it is paper it is open to abuse, as you say. If electronic, it excludes large proportions of the population.
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24/03/2021 22:32:28 21 4
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Given it is up to the license owner, most won't ask for it anyway. Who in their right minds is going to put their staff at risk of abuse and cut trade voluntarily. So I wouldn't worry about it. Most won't do it, the ones that do, when they see the loss of trade, will soon stop.
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24/03/2021 22:43:12 5 1
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hacked it already :-)
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24/03/2021 22:49:35 7 3
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Fear not, the vaccine passports will be done using a phone app and as a result of track & trace, our government are well experienced in such matters. The government have the upmost confidence that this can be done in a completely secure way. [Translation: Boris' buddies will get another 20Bn for delivering naff all of nothing]
24/03/2021 23:42:40 2 1
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+ I have had the jab badge, Spain here I come
25/03/2021 06:14:45 5 4
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2022 - due to proliferation of high quality fake vaccine passports Gov't decides best option is mandatory implantation of a small microchip to show vaccination status...
25/03/2021 06:38:43 4 6
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By the way this is unworkable and probably more coercive propaganda nonsense to try force the young to get vaccinated for a disease that they are at virtually no risk from.
25/03/2021 08:49:43 0 1
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up to pub landlord ........If he wants business he won't bother,calm down
25/03/2021 09:20:55 0 1
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and that is the problem- had my first jab and just have a paper card that can be copied in seconds on the cheapest printer
25/03/2021 09:24:27 0 1
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Lawrence Fox will get one off Amazon.
25/03/2021 10:13:09 0 1
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Exactly - and then people might think, I have my dodgy certificate, why bother actually getting vaccinated ........
25/03/2021 11:19:25 1 1
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Oh just imagine the prison sentence if you are found with one...good luck
25/03/2021 11:50:59 1 1
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Thought the story was about proof of vaccination not Covid status ?
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24/03/2021 21:16:17 11 16
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What a good idea, those unable to be vaccinated can show some proof the others who just declined bad luck!
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24/03/2021 21:18:11 7 9
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I'm curious, do you think people who declined the vaccine should be penalised?

If so, why?
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24/03/2021 21:22:10 2 4
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And they will love their slavery...
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24/03/2021 21:14:10 291 102
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The pubs who enforce such a policy will not be trading very long due to lack of sales. And I'm dust in this hys- love it
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24/03/2021 21:16:34 372 399
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Actually, they may get plenty of customers who want to have a drink in a safe covid free environment..just saying..
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24/03/2021 21:19:21 40 34
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If you think COVID is the problem, you need to ask some more probing questions.
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24/03/2021 21:22:20 44 10
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It wouldn't be a covid free environment
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24/03/2021 21:28:00 57 17
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Absolutely no guarantee that it would be covid free, the vaccine protects recipient against serious illness if fortunate.

It does not stop you getting infected, or being infectious......just saying..
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24/03/2021 21:36:47 37 10
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Covid free environment? Coronoviruses are around us ALL the time and have been for decades just like all other viruses.
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24/03/2021 21:31:16 17 10
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Lessen the symptoms but not the spread, so tell me how a password would make the pub safer.
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24/03/2021 21:36:19 6 12
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Drinking at home is safe not the pub socialising
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24/03/2021 21:40:47 4 11
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They can, at home.
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24/03/2021 21:40:47 13 8
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Why covid free chummy ? the vaccine does NOT prevent anyone from catching or carrying Covid. It prevents the Covid spike from latching onto the lungs, preventing serious illness in 85 /100 people. How ill-informed and gullible you are
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24/03/2021 21:51:56 10 5
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Safe? Is covid the only dangerous thing in this life now? Get a sense of proportion for god sake.
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24/03/2021 21:57:22 1 3
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What? Don't you have the vaccine yourself?
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24/03/2021 21:58:46 3 3
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Dream on, get real
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24/03/2021 22:00:24 15 6
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incorrect. the sort of person who wouldn't want to drink in a non-vac pub is unlikely to want to go into a pub regardless. I suspect they'll have a hard time leaving their house
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GW
24/03/2021 22:12:30 7 5
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No those types will b at home covidhibernating complaining on BBC hys!
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24/03/2021 22:32:36 4 3
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No such thing, it is here forever.
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24/03/2021 22:37:49 6 2
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You can still be a carrier when you are vaccinated.
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24/03/2021 22:41:34 6 2
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So the vaccine only protects you if you don't come into contact with anyone who might have the virus? Seems pointless having the vax in that case.
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24/03/2021 22:47:41 2 2
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Those people stay at home, and they love it.
24/03/2021 23:35:10 4 1
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If you are at the pub, you have probably chosen to be there to put alcohol in yourself (which is toxic of course) and to be around people who might well have other nasty viruses (colds, flu, sick bugs) that they aren't vaccinated from and are breathing or expelling in front of you.
24/03/2021 23:50:07 4 1
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Easy solution lets have pubs and restaurants that have no restrictions and others that cater for the fearful who want SD, facemasks, no live music or dancing and see how far you will have to go to find somewhere you will feel safe.
25/03/2021 06:50:23 1 5
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Agree. This is up to private companies, not the government. I'm 100% okay with it. All the people moaning are most likely young and/or think they can't get Covid. I won't even be getting my hair cut by someone who hasn't been vaccinated.
25/03/2021 07:29:36 0 1
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You don't think the vaccine stops people dying then? So what's the point of it?
25/03/2021 07:52:53 0 1
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yup. i would
25/03/2021 08:08:06 1 1
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They should stay at home if they have so much fear.
25/03/2021 08:08:23 1 1
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But you may catch something else in there and die of complications , or you may have an accident on the journey , life is full of risks everyday , why are we living in fear of one whilst accepting the many others ? wake up !
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24/03/2021 21:15:54 53 21
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forced vaccination all along
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24/03/2021 21:16:51 30 31
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No one is forcing anyone
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24/03/2021 21:20:22 15 8
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It'll be jobs next. Before you know it, peoplew hi refuse the jab will be unemployed and effectively under house arrest, but hey HO, at least they won't be made to have the jab...
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24/03/2021 21:21:47 15 8
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Really? What else would you call this???
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24/03/2021 22:14:00 6 3
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course not. But you cant work, use any public/private facilities, travel....
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24/03/2021 21:16:58 889 361
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vaccine passport - for what vaccine? for what strain? Just open up. The majority of those susceptible are vaccinated and the other half of the population often either do not suffer any or have mild effects from the virus. Just open up and resume life as before.
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24/03/2021 21:31:30 467 181
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Stop talking sense! It is not well liked on here!
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24/03/2021 21:34:52 69 102
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Yes and are a perfect breeding ground for new strains. Clearly there are people out there who see maintaing their lifestyles as more important than the health of others. The truly generous.
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24/03/2021 21:37:40 43 31
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Goodness, the BBC usually ban any comment like this. Perhaps this one slipped through the iron net. Agree.
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24/03/2021 21:38:37 64 28
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Spot on.
Getting vaccinated is a great idea, what do you care if someone else is or isn't?
Any venue that insists on vaccine passports isn't a place I'll be spending any time or money in.
Remember the scan your details process around the time of eat out to help out? Most pubs didn't give a monkey's.
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24/03/2021 21:39:17 48 68
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And what about the pub staff? Or don't you give a fig about them? Any landlord/employer would be bordering on negligent to knowingly expose it's staff to a risk which can be largely mitigated by simply requiring customers to present a vaccine certificate on entry. Of course, this procedure isn't fool proof and there is still a risk. But you cannot ride roughshod over staff health and safety.
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24/03/2021 21:36:48 9 17
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won't be for the South African strain
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24/03/2021 21:39:38 39 1
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The "plan" is to open up gradually and probably for the better. Over the next two months cases will go up but if the vaccine works well, then hopefully hospitalisations and deaths will remain low so we can stay open.

Hospitals really need to be free to treat patients with serious illnesses such as cancer. Many have suffered from neglect so hopefully we can finally start to help them as well.
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24/03/2021 21:48:57 58 66
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That blind naivety has led to over 120,000 deaths & many more suffering this long & deblilitating disease. We all wish this was over but just behaving like it's over gives the virus free reign to spread & kill. Some are very glib with others lives until it's them getting really ill or dying. HMG failed everybody by opening up too fast, too soon, that's how we got the last wave & lockdown.
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24/03/2021 21:54:04 11 14
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Spot on totally agree
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24/03/2021 21:57:36 10 7
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Unfortunately there is little published evidence on how effective the vaccine is in preventing infection or transmission. Most of the evidence is about how effective it is in stopping people getting seriously ill. Some preliminary data on how effective it is in preventing transmission / infection says it only reduces the risk by about 1/3rd. Vaccinated people still die see the care home results
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24/03/2021 21:59:03 10 14
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And so speaks someone who know nothing.
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24/03/2021 22:06:48 15 5
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Once we decided that it was everyone else's responsibility to stop us getting Covid rather than our own this sort of debate became inevitable. The truly selfish that wanted everyone else to stop living because they said so, whilst hypocritically tell everyone 'it's not about you', will want vaccine passports so they can continue to avoid responsibility for their own and their family's health.
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24/03/2021 22:10:18 4 14
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You’re all missing the point - it’s not about those vaccinated it’s about those not vaccinated who then walk in to a pub spread the virus to the non vaccinated and therefore resulting in the pub to close down while it’s deep cleaned and the source of the spread identified...I don’t like the idea but if people refuse to get vaccinated don’t put businesses at risk - simples
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24/03/2021 22:16:17 13 3
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We seem to be back to standard bonkers government after the blessed blip of a superb vaccine rollout. Just can't resist opening his gob and ruining it, can he? Why spaff the goodwill up the wall now, for chrissakes. And for what? A document to 'prove' you had a jab that as yet we only know protects the jabee, not necessarily those around them, for an indetetminate period. What would be the point?
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24/03/2021 22:17:07 3 13
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Guess you have not lost anyone you love, or perhaps you have lost your parents from Covid and are de.ignited with the early inheritance.
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JHB
24/03/2021 22:26:20 6 5
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It's going to be for life. Boosters, new strains, I want no part of it.
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24/03/2021 22:45:09 5 7
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... the whole point of the covid restrictions and vaccinations is to stop the virus circulating ... every infection presents a potential mutation which could compromise the efficacy of the current vaccines ...
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Bob
24/03/2021 22:47:48 5 2
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Chile recently overtook us for vaccine doses per capita.

They are seeing COVID rising fast again.

This is proof that vaccines alone cannot sure the issue.
24/03/2021 23:03:52 1 6
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100% behind it. Fantastic idea.
24/03/2021 23:35:12 3 2
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Just make sure you have union jack pants on, take the jab, forget foreign holidays, accept masks and SD for years to come otherwise you will be visited by the thought police. The MSM newspeak allowing politicians/pseudo medics of all colours trying to justify the 'new normal' this week is unbelievable.
25/03/2021 00:50:15 3 2
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1st dose is not the same as vaccinated. Vaccination takes full effect 2 weeks after the second dose is administered.

Less than 2 million vaccinated, 30 million more to go.
25/03/2021 07:06:10 4 2
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I agree about opening up with caution but I don't agree about the illness. My friends have been extremely ill with it. It is often not a mild illness.
25/03/2021 08:18:38 3 2
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But, to use your own words, the majority of those susceptible are vaccinated....but for what strain?
So we go back to normal, a new strain starts spreading amongst those that only suffer the mild effects, and boom! the susceptible are vulnerable to the new strain and their vaccine doesn't work!
It's not that simple and that's why this will go on for years I fear (in some form).
25/03/2021 08:49:50 2 2
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That's why we're in this situation now! Numpty!
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24/03/2021 21:17:13 320 61
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It would be a brave or stupid pub to demand vaccine passports. Most pub goers are in the 18-30 age group and as such have not had the jab and are at the end of the queue to get it. By demanding a passport these pubs would be removing thier own client base.
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24/03/2021 21:33:03 423 71
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So to sum it up....
Those least at risk gave up the most to protect those most at risk. Those who were most at risk will now be able to enjoy more freedoms than those who sacrificed the most..... this will go down well.
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24/03/2021 21:38:37 9 5
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good point
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Don
24/03/2021 22:30:52 25 9
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"Most pub goers are in the 18-30 age group" - Are you sure about that? Where did you get that number from, or did you just make it up ?- which is what I think you did.
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24/03/2021 22:31:14 9 2
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And the newly turned 18 year olds wont have been offered a vaccination.
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24/03/2021 22:39:56 5 8
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Are they? Most pub goers anywhere I have been are over 50. Under 25 people get pissed at home before they occasionally come out.
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Gav
24/03/2021 22:46:21 6 16
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No, there are plenty of us older people who would appreciate a nice safe pub
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24/03/2021 22:52:58 4 16
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... most of pub goers are 18-30 because mature patrons have been forced out by the constant ear deafening racket and the awful 2 for 1 offers and ghastly food and gnats water beer ...
... the absence of such can only be an improvement
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24/03/2021 22:53:03 6 7
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18-30 group are the most, what planet are you on -- the one depicted in adverts ?
25/03/2021 08:29:09 2 1
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100% correct. The vaccine is to protect. Those most at risk probably weren't big pub goers anyway. In all the interviews of I saw with 80/90 year old in Care Homes that none were complaining that that they couldn't get to the pub / restaurant etc. After pubs, would it be cinema's, theatres, play house, sport venues, outdoor festivals? The Government are obsessed with gaining more and more control.
Pip
25/03/2021 08:50:34 1 1
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To be honest, if you're worried about going in the pub, then don't go. I'm in my 70's and can't wait to go, pubs were the lowest transmission anywhere at 2%...............?
25/03/2021 09:14:27 0 1
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bring it on
25/03/2021 09:41:33 0 1
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i disagree - i would never drink in a pub with 'free for all' attitude

the pubs that are strict will thrive in my opinion
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:17:37 14 18
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Well said
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24/03/2021 21:27:22 6 4
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B/S tory apologist maybe.
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24/03/2021 21:15:19 23 20
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It's all about free choice, if the pub wants to enforce vaccine passports, it's their choice and if you want to get one then go there.

If not, self isolate and let everyone else get on with it.
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24/03/2021 21:17:52 20 13
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And if you have a condition that stops you being able to have a vaccination you are excluded from society?

Equality and discrimination laws will tear this to pieces.
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24/03/2021 21:22:31 5 4
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So nobody can participate until everyone can?

This virus will be here forever, but nevermind we'll all be locked away for it.

There will be a lot of "unfair" stuff if anyone gets to live again.
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24/03/2021 21:39:51 7 4
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If you are blind, you cannot drive a car! Are you excluded from society? There are several things that cannot happen for certain groups of people, it's life.
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roy
24/03/2021 21:42:06 1 3
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Let's hope so,but don't be so sure.
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24/03/2021 21:44:20 5 2
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Equality & discrimination laws won't apply here. Unless medically exempt, not getting vaccinated is a choice.
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24/03/2021 22:25:52 2 1
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Any business can refuse entry to anyone, as long as the reason is not one of the banned ones.
25/03/2021 09:39:04 1 3
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If you can't have the vaccine, for medical reasons, then provide a negative test result. anybody can do that, so no issue with discrimination. We are going to need vaccine / neg test passports if we want to travel abroad (imposed by countries or transport providers), so I see no problem if the individual hospitality venues want to do the same, to increase confidence in their prospective clients.
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24/03/2021 21:17:55 415 69
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I suspect "show us your papers" businesses will quickly end up out of business. The idea cash strapped businesses will turn away customers after the year they've had if fanciful.
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24/03/2021 22:04:45 271 72
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The vaccine stops 100% of severe disease. Genuinely, if people are that concerned about covid then they should get the vaccine.

Don't enforce your fears on other people.
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RG
24/03/2021 22:07:01 11 1
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Good riddance if they do
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Gav
24/03/2021 22:42:26 12 10
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No, they'll be full of happy people who know what's good for them
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24/03/2021 22:48:17 19 24
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... I would prefer to frequent such a business ... since most of the refuseniks and antivaxxers are fellow travellers with the recent protesters, any such exclusion can only improve the ambience ...
Show your papers now the uk is becoming like nazi Germany or a police state we need to all get together & stop this now. Removed
25/03/2021 09:06:27 2 1
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If it's the difference between the pub having to close for two weeks due to an outbreak and losing some % of business due to asking for vaccination proof, I think many pubs will go for the latter.
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24/03/2021 21:16:17 11 16
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What a good idea, those unable to be vaccinated can show some proof the others who just declined bad luck!
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24/03/2021 21:18:11 7 9
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I'm curious, do you think people who declined the vaccine should be penalised?

If so, why?
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24/03/2021 21:23:22 8 3
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Yep, their decision endangers others. Bit like people who drink too much at the pub then drive home.
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24/03/2021 21:25:31 2 2
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Why not?
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24/03/2021 21:30:18 10 3
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If you think about it there are already loads of things you are not allowed to do because the majority of society considers them socially unacceptable. Some for example would love to walk around stark naked in public...

So personal choice not to have the vaccine, but wider society’s choice that there are therefore some non-essential activities that as result you are no longer free to engage in.
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24/03/2021 21:15:07 4 11
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Gotta get back in the pub innit. Yawn.
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24/03/2021 21:15:41 2 11
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Well that would be a stupid move

Why don’t we have pubs for the ignorant and pubs for the unvaccinated?
36
24/03/2021 21:20:58 8 2
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So where would everyone else go?
110
24/03/2021 21:30:08 5 2
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"Why don’t we have pubs for the ignorant and pubs for the unvaccinated?"

Aren't they the same? ??
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24/03/2021 21:18:22 11 16
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If pub chains and publicans encourage vaccination take-up by this method... good on them. There may be millions of people, so far untouched and untroubled by the vaccination and test campaigns, for whom a pub visit with friends will be a tremendous incentive to get a jab,.. at no extra cost to the public purse.
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24/03/2021 21:32:16 4 3
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:18:29 36 13
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I suspect "show us your papers" businesses will quickly end up out of business. The idea cash strapped businesses will implement ways to proactively turn away customers after the year they've had is fanciful.
24/03/2021 22:54:43 3 8
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Or lose customers if they dont ?
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24/03/2021 21:18:33 991 248
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Brilliant idea from Bozo!

No-one under 40 can go to the pub for months! Genius!

Passport to get into Kent if you’re a lorry driver, passport to get into the pub, what nonsense - the only actual passports we have don’t work because you can’t leave the country!

What an absolute joker. ??
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24/03/2021 21:43:08 235 26
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Under 50 you mean?
290
24/03/2021 21:46:35 66 30
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Welcome to Boris’s Soviet Union, his Russian genes finally expressed!
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24/03/2021 22:34:01 93 17
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We were told lockdown measures couldn't be age-based because that would be discriminatory against older people. How is this different?

Any restrictions that are based on vaccination status are clearly discriminatory against age.
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24/03/2021 22:33:52 47 85
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Its a permit not a passport to get into Kent.

And UK passports do work, as UK lorry drivers use them to leave the country.

Joker, yes you are
852
24/03/2021 22:40:56 39 8
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And heaven forbid women who are pregnant go out in public...

Can we tear them down now please?
24/03/2021 23:04:10 32 72
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100% behind it. Fantastic idea.
24/03/2021 23:15:50 50 43
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He said that it was up to individual pub owners to decide: do you not actually read what he said before commenting????
24/03/2021 23:35:52 8 7
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Boris, can I have a two year validity extension to my passport please?
Yeah, but now they are blue. Made in Europe, but at least they are blue.

Do we not care enough to stand up to unlawful acts, hate and lies ? Are we so scared and beaten by these liars ?

boris is a serial liar and yet people vote for him. UK is a failed country with no integrity
Tim
25/03/2021 01:39:31 36 30
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I didn't think under 40's went to to pub! Too busy taking photos of themselves and telling the world how outrageous and inappropriate it is to actually have a real life and drink a pint of beer in a pub! Now they have something new to complain about, imagine that! The me, me, me generation being asked to act responsibly, what a totally outrageous thing to suggest. Brexit is to blame of course.
25/03/2021 06:38:59 14 4
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Who do you think is serving the drinks? The 20 year old behind the bar isn't getting their second dose until October!
25/03/2021 06:41:09 14 6
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Don't be a moaning Minnie! We've taken back control of our borders . We now have Sovverinty!
25/03/2021 07:34:01 6 11
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I will probably enjoy going to the pub more if there are no under-40s there.
25/03/2021 07:43:18 2 5
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Boris hasn't said there will be passports to get in to the pub....

And you need a passport to go to EU as a lorry driver, not just to go to Kent.

And other European countries are having further lockddowns just as we are coming out of ours, some countries on their 4th. Why would you go on holiday to sit in your hotel room for 2 weeks as per that countries covid rules anyways.
25/03/2021 07:48:43 11 15
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NO ONE should be going to the pubs, it beggers belief!! Consider opening AFTER the vaccination programme is complete, opening before will be an utter disaster, remember eat out to help out? I rest my case!
25/03/2021 08:03:56 8 8
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I love how you read this article very differently to me. He suggested publicans 'could' do that but would probably be a decision that individual publicans make... How did you draw the conclusion this was going to be mandatory? You should learn to read and understand I think.
Pip
25/03/2021 08:29:28 3 4
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The under 40's downloading false vaccine papers off the Internet for a fiver..............?
25/03/2021 08:42:18 2 1
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Yeah, but at least they are now blue!

Just like the old black ones used to be.
25/03/2021 08:44:30 3 5
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Pubs without crowds of drunken yobs. Heaven
25/03/2021 08:49:01 1 4
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up to the pub landlord........if he wants business he won't bother,just calm down.
25/03/2021 08:50:32 7 2
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revolution on the way No sensible society will tolerate this nonsense for long
25/03/2021 08:54:24 0 6
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Nice therory. But nearly all of my friends, in their 20s and 30s, have had their vaccine already.
25/03/2021 08:57:42 5 5
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Pubs aren't open for inside trading for months yet. By then, alot more will have had the vaccine, and it will be summer, those than haven't can drink outside, if their lives are so empty that they need to go to a pub.

Your comment is an absolute joke.
25/03/2021 09:02:33 1 6
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Brilliant pubs free from dicks
25/03/2021 09:06:37 1 2
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So you think licencees will restrict their business for longer by implementing passports?
25/03/2021 09:07:09 0 3
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It wasn’t an idea it was a simple comment in a dull and boring interview .
25/03/2021 09:10:11 0 9
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If it keeps the under 40's out of the pubs, I think it's a brilliant idea. It's mostly the under 40's that get drunk and cause all sorts of anti social problems. Fighting and stuff. Ask any copper and they'll tell you that. Happy days I reckon.
25/03/2021 09:12:41 3 5
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So what you're saying is you don't care about unknowingly spreading the virus to others, so long as YOU can get a drink!
OwO
25/03/2021 09:23:28 2 4
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He is not suggesting it happens, merely pointing out that it may. Do you ever bother reading articles, or just jump straight to the comments to chat utter rubbish?
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24/03/2021 21:18:57 371 103
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Haha people moaning we live in a 'free society'. Ermm... We live in a country where going for a pint and a ploughman's is literally illegal. 'free society'. Pull the other one.
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24/03/2021 21:39:38 98 112
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Did we no longer live a free society during WW2?
24/03/2021 23:49:38 4 5
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We also live in a country where we're not allowed to walk into someone's house and take a dump on their carpet, soo...
25/03/2021 01:28:51 9 4
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No, you live in a free society. You have been able to state your opinion without fear of retribution from the state. That is the very definition of a free society. You will be punished for driving at 100mph in a 40mph zone. Societies require laws, you do not have absolute freedom to do what you fancy. It’s not complicated.
CT
25/03/2021 04:21:34 0 2
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Alsi those most at risk are to be be extra opportunity to put themselves further at risk by intoxicating themselves, whilst those least at risk are excluded, thus building a stronger gene pool.
MrW
25/03/2021 06:35:49 0 1
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Very silly.
We don't live in a free society. Virtually no one who lives in civilisation is truly free. Rather, we live under a system of consensual constraints. 'Freedom', as it's often vaunted, is the placebo pill we are given to accept that system.

If you think you're free, try building your own home in the middle of a local park or choosing not to pay taxes - then talk to me how free you are after.
25/03/2021 08:53:38 1 2
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Grow up,foolish ill informed individual,go visit North Korea,perhaps they will keep you.
25/03/2021 09:39:59 0 2
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a pub has the right under UK law to not allow 'persons' on to their premises - and so i would never drink in a pub without vaccines protocols
25/03/2021 10:12:18 1 1
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Can always protest about it... Oh hang on they made that illegal too.
25/03/2021 10:31:47 1 1
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Free society doesn't include the freedom to endanger others.

No one in Britain has the freedom to carry a firearm, assault a neighbour, refuse an education, speed on public roads, etc. Laws are made to protect society not to restrict freedoms.
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24/03/2021 21:19:05 209 51
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This is, hopefully another situation when Boris has just put his foot in his mouth.

A) 99% of people don’t survive hepatitis after a week

B) last year the numbers over the summer didn’t move so what’s different now?

C) if the vulnerable have been vaccinated why are we worried?
417
24/03/2021 21:59:47 175 49
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The less they recognise that we have vaccinated the vulnerable (100% success with severe disease), the more it seems this was all about control and not about the virus.
441
24/03/2021 22:02:31 6 12
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We are worried as vaccinated people still die - see the figures for the two care homes in Devon. The evidence is vaccination reduces transmission / infection by about 1/3 so the R number can still get above 1 and then more lock downs
24/03/2021 22:57:49 2 3
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Total rubbish, most people don't even notice they have hepatitis. In fact some countries have a 99% infection rate and the ignorant tourists then catch it, e.g thailand.
24/03/2021 23:38:11 3 7
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1) Well there's still 5000 new cases per day, and 100 people dying. Hepatitis takes a lot longer than a week to kill, it's more difficult to catch, and an infected person breathing on you will not transmit Hepatitis to you. Currently the death rate for Covid 19 is about 1.6%, and another 10-20% (age dependent) who catch it are suffering long covid, its 10% for the 18-49 age range.
24/03/2021 23:38:24 7 7
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2) If large numbers of people in the 18-49 age range catch Covid-19 and 10% of them get long Covid, it will devastate our workforce. Perhaps you don't care if our economy is damaged further, but some of us do. I know a few people who have long covid, one has been off work for four months and the other for ten months, it's life altering.
24/03/2021 23:38:35 3 4
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3) You may have noticed that the figures didn't drop to "summer levels" as you put it in 2020 until late May, we're currently in March. Perhaps we should wait until we can use the beer gardens in May...
25/03/2021 02:46:16 2 1
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99%? I think we can safely disregard any of your other "facts"
25/03/2021 06:44:35 3 1
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I see, the fact that you just made the hepatitis stat up (in fact people with HepB which is the virus in question live for decades but have high risk of liver cancer in long term) makes your other ravings highly dubious.
25/03/2021 10:01:44 0 2
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And Vaccines are only 90% effective!! So no point as every 100 people in a pub at least 10 could still be carrying Covid!
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24/03/2021 21:19:07 5 16
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Certificate or negative test Either or should be acceptable. It’s not about your choice only others who prefer some assurance , perhaps majority should not have to put up with compromising safety too.
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24/03/2021 21:31:04 5 3
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:19:10 212 132
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A warning to all landlords/publicans: Your premises will be boycotted en masse if you enforce such draconian measures. Anyone, business or customer complicit in such tyranny is responsible for the erosion of human rights in this country.
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24/03/2021 21:20:45 197 255
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Get a grip, if you don't want to take the vaccine why should I share a pub with you, you can carry on drinking at home.
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GS
24/03/2021 21:21:41 22 31
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Spot on
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24/03/2021 21:23:46 47 17
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Sound like the sort of person I wouldn’t want to hear droning on at the bar anyhow
574
24/03/2021 22:06:26 6 15
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I would go to a Covid-free pub. I would not go to one where there were unvaccinated people.
756
24/03/2021 22:31:52 4 7
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Your premises will be boycotted en masse ??, actually they won't be , non vaccinated persons will barred !, not boycotting, just saying :-)
780
24/03/2021 22:33:36 2 1
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You missed off .....And will be force marched to a gulag where they will be taught the correct mind behaviour. Um...no they will not..you do not speak for many.
950
24/03/2021 22:50:00 2 2
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You speak for the masses ?
952
24/03/2021 22:50:12 1 1
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Lockdown Covid Cultists did this, you were warned too! Peter Hitchens and Lord Sumption have been warning we wouldn't get our freedoms back! All hail the Great God Covid and the Cult.
24/03/2021 23:37:52 1 1
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A warning to all those who think their view is representative of all. Your pubs may become a place enjoyed by a different clientele with a different mindset, perhaps even a totally different pub "experience" will emerge. Trends shift, times change, needs adapt. So don't assume it's all going to stay the way you want it to. You haven't got the monopoly on how they run.
24/03/2021 23:40:14 1 1
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Oh, and if you are concerned about rights... well, the rights of a different group in society may come to the fore , and those people finally get to enjoy the lost pleasure of a quiet pint instead of running the gauntlet of masses of kiddies running around, or large groups of drunken young people with more beer money than sense. Just a thought ....
25/03/2021 00:31:50 2 1
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No

Pub landlords have a duty of care to their customers and staff
If you want to go in then have a vaccination

Very responsible if landlords who do this, and they get my custom
25/03/2021 01:37:56 0 1
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Whilst agreeing with the sentiment don't shout at the landlords or publicans they are as frustrated (if not more) than we are.
25/03/2021 04:38:11 2 2
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I for one will actively visit such pubs as they will be 100% free of anti-vax conspiracy bores.
25/03/2021 05:18:50 0 2
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Mate the plan is to close hospitality for good,no one going anywhere,CONTROLL
25/03/2021 06:46:45 2 1
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Not by me. I would relish going to the pub without you whinging b's spoiling my pint.
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Bob
24/03/2021 21:19:17 242 32
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Do you really think pubs can afford to loose that much money???
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24/03/2021 21:22:26 74 14
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Good point, I doubt they’ll do it
125
24/03/2021 21:31:36 10 4
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Lose......
132
24/03/2021 21:32:24 5 8
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No but they do have a duty of care to their staff and customers or risk being prosecuted.
235
24/03/2021 21:37:47 0 4
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maybe takeaway drinks
484
24/03/2021 22:05:34 10 3
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At this point, if they enforce this then they deserve to go out of business.

When did we turn into North Korea?
797
24/03/2021 22:34:58 2 2
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Have any pubs survived?
25/03/2021 01:02:27 4 4
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Others will prefer the protection offered by a sensible health precaution.

Not so long ago smoking in bars normal.

Covid a far higher risk in a much shorter period.

For staff and clientele.

Bar staff are suing now for long term secondary inhalation.

Insurance may dictate where govts fail to lead.
*lose, ffs Removed
25/03/2021 07:33:56 2 1
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Lose
25/03/2021 09:14:00 1 2
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Could they afford to infect thousands?
25/03/2021 10:54:58 0 1
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I really think there will be a change in attitude to "going to the pub" and it will be age group led, the young won't give a monkey add to that the drinkers every pub has who fill the day out, but I do think over fifties and possibly over forties will change habits, if a venue is too busy in their own opinion they will elsewhere, so unless the venues is very popular expect a slow upturn, IMO.
25/03/2021 11:10:46 0 1
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Do you think that they can afford to keep opening and then closing again after confirmed infections?
25/03/2021 19:32:04 0 0
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Loose it on what?
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24/03/2021 21:16:34 372 399
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Actually, they may get plenty of customers who want to have a drink in a safe covid free environment..just saying..
28
24/03/2021 21:19:21 40 34
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If you think COVID is the problem, you need to ask some more probing questions.
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24/03/2021 21:43:34 9 3
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The rest of the world seems to think COVID is the problem, but I'll defer to your superior intellect. You know best .... a bit like the late President of Tanzania did.
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:19:23 12 7
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"Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday"

Why?
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24/03/2021 21:19:28 92 27
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NO NO NO!!
265
24/03/2021 21:43:28 71 6
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tried to make you go to rehab ? you said .........
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24/03/2021 21:19:46 17 18
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It's a free country - those pubs who enforce this will be frequented by those who agree and care about the health of themselves and others. Those that don't will be frequented by those who currently scream for a complete free-for-all now and are happy to take the risk. Two options - two choices.
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24/03/2021 21:30:14 2 3
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:31:07 0 1
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Remind me exactly what part of this country is 'free'. If someone told you 5 years ago we would be living under a totalitarian, freedom destroying regime like we are today you would have laughed.

I'm actually very pro vaccine. But 50 deaths in a day out of 70 million does not warrant these measures continuing.
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24/03/2021 21:49:14 0 1
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So if you cannot be around those who are unvaccinated, does the vaccine really work?
1
24/03/2021 21:14:10 291 102
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The pubs who enforce such a policy will not be trading very long due to lack of sales. And I'm dust in this hys- love it
32
24/03/2021 21:19:55 13 4
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Don’t be so hard on yourself - you’re not dust.

But chin up - you were first to post ?? cheers!
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24/03/2021 21:16:51 30 31
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No one is forcing anyone
33
24/03/2021 21:20:22 15 8
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It'll be jobs next. Before you know it, peoplew hi refuse the jab will be unemployed and effectively under house arrest, but hey HO, at least they won't be made to have the jab...
285
24/03/2021 21:46:11 2 3
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I've already had future contracts reviewed on the likelihood of my subcontractors having the vaccine so this is already happening.
26
24/03/2021 21:19:10 212 132
bbc
A warning to all landlords/publicans: Your premises will be boycotted en masse if you enforce such draconian measures. Anyone, business or customer complicit in such tyranny is responsible for the erosion of human rights in this country.
34
24/03/2021 21:20:45 197 255
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Get a grip, if you don't want to take the vaccine why should I share a pub with you, you can carry on drinking at home.
66
24/03/2021 21:23:58 60 18
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If you're worried about catching Covid have the vaccine yourself and that should protect you, then you don't need to worry about those who don't want it.
67
24/03/2021 21:24:03 69 17
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Why don't you stay home instead,, you're obviously scared of everything
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24/03/2021 21:25:05 69 12
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I’ve had the vaccine, I just don’t think it’s appropriate because after this the floodgates will open. What next? Microchips? Tags? People shouldn’t be coerced. Plus the data shows that transmission is cut by 80% from Pfizer & AZ so even small, unvaccinated minority shouldn’t be an issue. This measure just creates a hateful, prejudicial, intolerant society determined to make life an ordeal.
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24/03/2021 21:30:49 17 10
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:35:30 35 16
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Get your twice/three times annual jab & go to the pub knowing what you 've been jabbed for is not the current variant. So gullible, you are probably more of a risk assuming you are safe, which you are not even after a jab.
Get a grip yourself.
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24/03/2021 21:35:37 52 11
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I've had my first dose and on principle I won't visit any establishment that requests a vaxport.

I simply won't support Authoritarian nonsense.
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24/03/2021 21:42:41 9 6
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You're the one who needs to "get a grip". If you're vaccinated you should feel, so just get on with it.
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24/03/2021 21:46:43 27 18
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Ah. Another misinformed champ. You do realise that having the vaccine does NOT stop anyone catching or spreading Covid ? The vaccine works by attacking the spike gene, stopping it from latching on to the lungs and preventing the need to go to hospital......even then, only 85% effective. So 15 of your other 99 vaccinated chums in the pub will still get rather ill.
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24/03/2021 21:54:29 13 4
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Because if you and most people have been vaccinated then you’re protected against serious illness. Maybe you should stay away from the pub if you have a cold because you could give it to someone who then develops pneumonia and dies. Life can never be risk free. Accept that and live!
423
24/03/2021 22:00:33 8 4
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If you don't believe that the vaccine works, why are you even leaving your house if you're that afraid?
440
24/03/2021 22:02:20 8 7
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Moderna and Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccines use lipid nanoparticles that contain polyethylene glycol (PEG) to deliver mRNA to your cells.

This experimental mRNA technology and its lipid nanoparticle-based delivery system have never been approved for use in a vaccine or drug.

As such, these products do not meet the medical definition of a vaccine
566
24/03/2021 22:13:41 2 4
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What are you on about? DorsetTiger nowhere mentions not taking a vaccine - just shares concerns about erosion of public freedoms and having to show government issued papers to get a pint.
573
24/03/2021 22:05:13 4 4
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no one's asking you to a share a pub with them. You can stay at home instead. I suspect the pubs will make a lot more money with this policy
809
24/03/2021 22:35:48 2 1
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You don't have to share a pub stay at home works both ways
818
24/03/2021 22:36:28 2 2
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If You're scared od being around an unvaccinated person, you stay at home. and if you are still scared to be around us the vaccine clearly isn't that good is it?
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jmb
24/03/2021 22:43:48 0 2
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Yeah, and pay £1 a pint from supermarket rather than £4 to £5 plus in a pub. We have realised rip off prices are unacceptable
896
24/03/2021 22:45:09 0 2
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Either way, the pubs will lose customers. The pubs have been closing at a rapid rate for years; the fact that whatever stance they take will upset a significant portion of their customers will push thousands more pubs into closure.
960
24/03/2021 22:51:03 2 1
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IF you are so scared, you lock down, PS avoid Cats, they can carry the virus too, and Boris hasn't vaccinated them yet.
24/03/2021 23:12:15 3 2
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Typical selfish attitude the older generation of the country have generally shown over the last year. Given the person behind the bar likely won't have had a jab shouldn't you stay at home while we enjoy their company.
24/03/2021 23:35:58 0 2
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You should share the pub..... because you having had a "jab" does not make a blind bit of difference to any of it. Anyway someone may infect you with the flu, that may kill you?
HL
24/03/2021 23:39:43 0 1
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Are you in a group that's been vaccinated already? What if you're age group aren't offered it in the next 6 to 12 months? Which is possible given current shortages. You enjoy the pubs and restaurants. The rest of us will just spend another year working, paying taxes and sitting in our own back garden! Plenty of under 40s working in pubs too, would you suggest they lose their jobs?
25/03/2021 00:58:10 0 2
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Get a grip yourself you brainless drone.
25/03/2021 01:41:47 1 1
bbc
Sorry buddy surely it needs to be the other way around?
25/03/2021 05:20:19 0 1
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Youve been vaccinated?
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24/03/2021 21:20:52 15 8
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Vaccination provides a degree of protection for the individual receiving it. A test shows you didn't have detectable virus at the time of the test. Neither is a guarantee you aren't spreading the virus but they make a difference, when combined with social distancing and mask wearing, in reducing the risks. It shouldn't be necessary to carry vaccine passports as long as people are sensible.
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24/03/2021 21:31:26 20 3
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June 21st. Social distancing will be gone. Masks will go in the bin. I thought the idea was an end to all covid restrictions. As in, all of them. As if people are going to sit in the pub socially distanced wearing masks
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24/03/2021 21:15:41 2 11
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Well that would be a stupid move

Why don’t we have pubs for the ignorant and pubs for the unvaccinated?
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24/03/2021 21:20:58 8 2
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So where would everyone else go?
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JL
24/03/2021 21:21:02 26 10
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“Show us your papers”.
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:21:02 15 6
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Oh dear,, you need to think about things a bit more deeply
25/03/2021 06:50:49 1 6
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No he does not. Maybe you need to think deeply at how this virus transmit.
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:21:05 16 9
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Yes and I guess some people thought it was a brilliant idea that Jews had to wear a yellow star of david on their clothes.....
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24/03/2021 21:21:11 1144 408
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100s of thousands queuing at food banks, peaceful protesting outlawed, having to show your “papers”, people being tracked. Did China invade without telling anybody?
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24/03/2021 21:22:06 355 77
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Yes.
Sort of, but if we mention the lab in Wuhan it gets removed Removed
Check out Yuri Bezmenov if youw ant to understand how the west has been subverted by communism. Removed
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24/03/2021 21:38:08 99 70
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No, some parts of life simply change in a war or pandemic.

You people would be whining about brownouts & rationing in WW2.
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24/03/2021 21:39:00 72 45
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The Govt opened up the doors to dictatorship long ago.
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24/03/2021 21:41:47 118 77
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No invasion , just enough voted for this government to deliver Brexit. Without thinking through that all the moderate Tories had been ousted and replaced by those on the right of the political spectrum and now we are starting to see what they really stand for.
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24/03/2021 21:37:23 20 19
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China has both the vaccine and tests everyone flying to China
If you look close enough you'll see Xi Jin Pings arm coming out of Boris' arse. Removed
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24/03/2021 21:45:53 126 36
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A protest against peaceful protests being banned ends with police vehicles being torched, windows smashed and police injuries. That is a great way to get support for peaceful protests. Remember who will be paying for the damage. The law abiding taxpayer not the firework throwing hooligans.
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24/03/2021 21:51:13 27 21
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They'll be charging us to receive government propaganda in our homes next...
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24/03/2021 21:51:43 14 12
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It certainly looks like it
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24/03/2021 21:57:35 23 10
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Some of the COVID angels seem to align very strongly with big brother China , I wonder how they would feel living under their rules
They don't need to - you're building a Chinese nuclear bomb at Hinckley Point for them. Removed
461
24/03/2021 22:04:01 21 22
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Yup, under the guise of the tory government.
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24/03/2021 22:17:39 20 36
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Sums everything up, well said, Elvis, we need plenty more like you to stand up to this tyranny. Respect to you my friend
715
24/03/2021 22:27:43 25 14
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Is like the peaceful protests in Bristol over the last few days?
755
24/03/2021 22:31:50 27 30
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Locking Down everyone is a Chinese idea. But what I really love is the 'One Man Protest' Law - Peter Hitchens was right, the Covid Cultists & Lockdowners gave away our hard won freedoms now if I get irate on my way to the Barbers the Feds can arrest me for being 'noisy on a one man protest' I just hope there is an independent or Reform UK on my local elections ballot. No LibLabCons ever again!
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24/03/2021 22:40:28 14 18
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... 100s of thousands queuing at food banks? ... in which reality are you living?
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24/03/2021 22:53:56 15 28
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Food banks - free food. Who isn't going to take up that offer? Just kick up a stink down the Jobcentre, get a voucher and away you go. £30 worth of free food = £30 to spend on more interesting things. And don't forget your free £20 top up of UC each week.
24/03/2021 23:05:13 5 12
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Where do you live? Bristol?
24/03/2021 23:14:28 13 11
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Nobody has said it has to happen just that individual business owners can decide: or don't they have any rights??
24/03/2021 23:17:22 23 12
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It's the new GB under Heir Johnson, disgraceful
24/03/2021 23:27:29 7 2
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Essentially, yes! Sinopitence!
24/03/2021 23:34:50 7 22
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Grow up for God's sake.
no but their virus did
25/03/2021 00:10:15 1 14
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I guess when you've been subverted by communism, they have to remove any posts that point it out...

Thanks for proving my point, BBC. If anybody wants to know how the communists took over, check out Yuri Bezmenov on YouTube. If they haven't censored him there.
25/03/2021 01:02:00 7 7
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Peaceful protests!

Haven't you seen the atrocious riots lately
Jim
25/03/2021 05:54:41 3 10
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"100s of thousands queuing at food banks, peaceful protesting outlawed, having to show your “papers”, people being tracked. Did China invade without telling anybody?"
>> What an utterly stupid, dangerous, uneducated view. I can guarantee that in the distant future, the internet WILL be heavily controlled, and this issue will also be tackled this at root - dangerous indoctrination won't be allowed.
25/03/2021 06:09:12 5 3
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Illegal gathering under current restrictions. Let's not dress it up as a protest peaceful or otherwise.
GH
25/03/2021 06:09:47 7 6
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This is the most sensible post here.

Stop squabbling amongst yourselves and just remember the unknown circumstances in which this virus appeared.

Ask yourself the question “Who benefits from all of this?”

Wake up people, there is a far bigger threat than the virus out there.
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25/03/2021 06:32:17 2 6
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They want to sell us electric cars... You imagine one set time , one set day, the nations transport comes to a halt, communications are down and all we would do is cry.
25/03/2021 06:54:08 6 6
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So what is being suggested is this....
Create a 2 tier society - vaccinated and unvaccinated.
The unvaccinated are ok to serve the vaccinated but they are not ok to socialise with or near the vaccinated.
Now replace the words vaccinated with black and white or male and female.
There would rightly be outrage. Two tier societies cannot work.
25/03/2021 06:55:55 5 2
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We were already permanently tracked through our mobile phones. GPS, microphone, camera.
25/03/2021 07:03:59 3 5
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yes, covid = a trojan horse.
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24/03/2021 21:16:05 6 16
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Hark! the the sound of gammon exploding. Go for it lads.
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24/03/2021 21:21:30 6 4
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You're parading your own ignorance.
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24/03/2021 21:19:10 212 132
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A warning to all landlords/publicans: Your premises will be boycotted en masse if you enforce such draconian measures. Anyone, business or customer complicit in such tyranny is responsible for the erosion of human rights in this country.
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GS
24/03/2021 21:21:41 22 31
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Spot on
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24/03/2021 21:16:51 30 31
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No one is forcing anyone
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24/03/2021 21:21:47 15 8
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Really? What else would you call this???
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24/03/2021 21:38:34 8 7
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Any 'vaccination passport' for pubs would be meaningless, no proof at all that one's not infected or transmitting disease.
A negative test would be more meaningful but even then too high an error rate to ensure 'safety' or no transmission of disease.

In short I think Boris speaketh through a hole in his head...
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24/03/2021 21:42:46 5 4
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It is up the individual publicans. It has nothing to do with the state or anyone else.
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24/03/2021 21:14:10 291 102
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The pubs who enforce such a policy will not be trading very long due to lack of sales. And I'm dust in this hys- love it
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24/03/2021 21:21:58 18 10
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Well people can’t say they weren’t warned about what was going to happen despite what Gove said. Far too late to start moaning about it now
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24/03/2021 21:22:05 7 9
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If people vote with their feet so be it, but would you want them as a customer anyhow?
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24/03/2021 21:28:39 2 3
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:48:05 0 1
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You're right, what business wants paying customers? Crazy isn't it.
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24/03/2021 21:21:11 1144 408
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100s of thousands queuing at food banks, peaceful protesting outlawed, having to show your “papers”, people being tracked. Did China invade without telling anybody?
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24/03/2021 21:22:06 355 77
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Yes.
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24/03/2021 21:16:17 11 16
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What a good idea, those unable to be vaccinated can show some proof the others who just declined bad luck!
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24/03/2021 21:22:10 2 4
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And they will love their slavery...
25/03/2021 13:10:10 0 0
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Lawsman, what has slavery got to do with having a jab?
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24/03/2021 21:16:34 372 399
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Actually, they may get plenty of customers who want to have a drink in a safe covid free environment..just saying..
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24/03/2021 21:22:20 44 10
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It wouldn't be a covid free environment
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Bob
24/03/2021 21:19:17 242 32
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Do you really think pubs can afford to loose that much money???
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24/03/2021 21:22:26 74 14
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Good point, I doubt they’ll do it
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24/03/2021 21:59:29 1 5
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So we all end up in lock down again - great :-(((
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24/03/2021 21:22:29 9 4
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Wont happen it's another fake news story to get you all worked up!
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24/03/2021 21:55:42 4 3
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It has always been a publicans choice to serve, or not serve, who they wish. Some may go down this route, most will not, end of conversation.
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24/03/2021 21:17:52 20 13
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And if you have a condition that stops you being able to have a vaccination you are excluded from society?

Equality and discrimination laws will tear this to pieces.
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24/03/2021 21:22:31 5 4
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So nobody can participate until everyone can?

This virus will be here forever, but nevermind we'll all be locked away for it.

There will be a lot of "unfair" stuff if anyone gets to live again.
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24/03/2021 21:22:49 11 12
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It is people's personal choice whether to have a vaccine. I wholly support the rest of us having in place a system that means those who dont have one are kept at arms length for safety reasons
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24/03/2021 21:28:22 1 4
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:23:00 5 5
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ok try flying abroad without one
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24/03/2021 21:28:48 1 1
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At that point wouldn't your vaccine / exempt status be part of your normal passport?
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24/03/2021 21:36:47 0 1
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Pcr test is fine and I’ll be going to my second home in Bangkok for necessary repairs whilst you’re sat on your jabbed behind with your family.
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24/03/2021 21:23:02 34 8
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Like pubs haven’t suffered enough, if they had to do that it would be the end of them.
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24/03/2021 21:45:56 11 2
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They don't have to do that. It is the publicans decision.
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24/03/2021 21:23:02 180 36
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If this is the future then I am out of here. I have had a great life and been very lucky to be able to travel, play sport, socialise freely and can move on spiritually knowing I have tried my best for my family. To the next couple of generations good luck and stay conscious because this is now crazy time.
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24/03/2021 21:27:54 108 50
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Agreed. I've already committed to emigrating. I hope the wokists who are left behind enjoy their Brave New World.
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24/03/2021 21:30:29 10 25
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Snowflake.
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24/03/2021 22:36:51 4 4
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Totally agree
24/03/2021 23:03:39 3 11
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"The next couple of generations" won't be voting for these *wits, I suspect, only the rump of the boomers
25/03/2021 09:14:03 6 2
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Toodles! The country will be a better place once conspiracy theorists and people who lack empathy for others are long gone.
25/03/2021 09:21:23 0 4
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Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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24/03/2021 21:23:03 10 15
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A proper app with either proof of vaccine or exemption should be mandatory. If you have a genuine exception then you get it flagged. And if you don't, as a number of people going into shops at the moment without masks on clearly don't, then you no longer have carte blanche to act in total disregard of what has been deemed acceptable behaviour by the general population.
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24/03/2021 21:26:55 1 2
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:27:32 0 1
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The government already threw billions at a useless track & trace app, I'm wondering how many more billions they'd have to throw at it to get it to function as a digital passport... Double? Treble?
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24/03/2021 21:37:48 0 1
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I'd love to live in your totalitarian state it would be great fun. I'm not sure what part of the general population you've been talking to hopefully a very small section, as none of what the government has imposed on us is acceptable. Informed choice, unfortunately the information is only one sided. We must have the vaccine as it's a cure all. I'm loving this fantasy.
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24/03/2021 21:43:15 0 1
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an app? oh dear, I don't have that kind of phone. Would I really be obliged to buy one, learn to use it, pay for data or whatever, keep it charged up?
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:23:07 12 10
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Delusional. You can’t possibly live in the real world.
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24/03/2021 21:23:22 6 4
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We know vaccine passports will be a thing, so not sure why the past few months they have been dithering and refusing to use the word.

However, I’m nowhere near a group getting one, so surely before I’m banned, I have to be given the opportunity to refuse (which I won’t) otherwise it’s not going to get the economy going if it’s opening up for over 50s only
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24/03/2021 21:18:11 7 9
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I'm curious, do you think people who declined the vaccine should be penalised?

If so, why?
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24/03/2021 21:23:22 8 3
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Yep, their decision endangers others. Bit like people who drink too much at the pub then drive home.
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If a room full of vaccinated people can't cope with a non-vaccinated person in their midst, maybe taking the vaccine was a waste of time. Just a thought. Removed
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24/03/2021 21:25:34 401 208
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Beggars belief doesn’t it. Getting the vaccine is up to the individual not the state.
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24/03/2021 21:38:15 23 33
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someone will attend with the mutated version
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24/03/2021 21:43:05 84 21
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Agree. What’s the point of vaccination if this can’t happen. Covid will ultimately have to be managed like flu which also kills a fair few, you don’t refuse to mix with people who haven’t had a flu jab and Covid must ultimately be the same once vaccination is established.
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24/03/2021 21:49:34 12 18
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Absolutely, fantastically elucidated
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24/03/2021 21:57:39 84 24
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Somebody doesn't understand how viruses/vaccines work.
It's not about individuals being scared of catching covid. The bigger picture is what counts.
Increasing the opportunities for it to spread increases the chance of mutation. THAT could make taking the vaccine a waste of time. (also, vaccines don't work equally well for everyone so don't assume you're safe just because you're vaccinated)
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24/03/2021 22:10:32 27 34
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You’re all missing the point - it’s not about those vaccinated it’s about those not vaccinated who then walk in to a pub spread the virus to the non vaccinated and therefore resulting in the pub to close down while it’s deep cleaned and the source of the spread identified...I don’t like the idea but if people refuse to get vaccinated don’t put businesses at risk - simples
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24/03/2021 22:13:30 29 7
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If the vaccine neither stops you from getting the virus or transmitting it, but only stops you from getting bad symptoms, there doesn't seem much point in having vaccine passports, unless there's other motives. When Jonson announces there's no intention of doing something, like he did for vaccine passports, you know it won't be far away. I've nothing against the vaccine itself btw.
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24/03/2021 22:42:11 9 13
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... point totally missed ... it would be foolhardy for an unvaccinated person to frequent a crowded venue like a pub where the virus may be circulating ...
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24/03/2021 22:46:04 1 2
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That is a fair point.
24/03/2021 23:11:19 7 1
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You are not 100% covered even with the jab, you can still carry the virus, but it is actually the not-vaccinated person that is at greatest risk
24/03/2021 23:16:03 3 2
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Starting to think the same,,!! Smell a rat!!
24/03/2021 23:28:20 2 1
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Vaccine stops one becoming seriously ill. It doesn't stop you taking the virus home to your family, some of whom may not have been vaccinated yet.
Some people must be careful, not for themselves, but for others in their lives. Wife pregnant? Will you go to be a pub which doesn't ask for negative tests?
Let it be up to each pub who gets in. Then we can all make our own choices for our own reasons.
24/03/2021 23:29:02 1 1
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Yes, ffs!
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24/03/2021 21:23:31 31 24
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I'd buy a fake one on the dark web before I am forced to take this vaccine to go to a cafe or a pub.
thanks mr spreader of the virus Removed
Spoken like a true ignorant idiot. Removed
Hopefully, proof of vaccine will be electronic to foil idiots like you. Removed
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24/03/2021 21:32:27 5 9
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Really pathetic and selfish utterly
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24/03/2021 21:44:03 2 5
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Tory voter?

I bet you vote tory.
25/03/2021 01:19:29 0 1
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Hook me up when it happens bruv, you supply and I'll distribute and we split profit. Nice, if the pub ting kicks off then we defo get concerts, gigs and festivals too. Booyakasha!
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
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24/03/2021 21:23:34 12 6
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:25:25 6 6
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What a load of claptrap
25/03/2021 12:57:07 0 1
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I like that quote Lawswon, but isn't this HYS about being able to go to the pub, not about being members of the EU?

I know, I know, I'll put my spoon down...
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24/03/2021 21:19:10 212 132
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A warning to all landlords/publicans: Your premises will be boycotted en masse if you enforce such draconian measures. Anyone, business or customer complicit in such tyranny is responsible for the erosion of human rights in this country.
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24/03/2021 21:23:46 47 17
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Sound like the sort of person I wouldn’t want to hear droning on at the bar anyhow
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24/03/2021 22:24:02 1 1
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And I feel the same about you.
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24/03/2021 21:16:05 6 16
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Hark! the the sound of gammon exploding. Go for it lads.
Racist Removed
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24/03/2021 21:21:11 1144 408
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100s of thousands queuing at food banks, peaceful protesting outlawed, having to show your “papers”, people being tracked. Did China invade without telling anybody?
Sort of, but if we mention the lab in Wuhan it gets removed Removed
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24/03/2021 21:36:17 40 75
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Funny how US intelligence agencies are back to sniffing around the Wuhan lab again isn't it? Recent interviews with knowledgeable people suggesting the virus contains too many hallmarks of engineering to be natural mutations, and that the virus may have been created in the process of creating an antidote for something else.....
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24/03/2021 21:20:45 197 255
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Get a grip, if you don't want to take the vaccine why should I share a pub with you, you can carry on drinking at home.
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24/03/2021 21:23:58 60 18
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If you're worried about catching Covid have the vaccine yourself and that should protect you, then you don't need to worry about those who don't want it.
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24/03/2021 22:51:01 5 1
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1) You clearly have no idea about how vaccines work. It's people with a poor understanding of this who fuelled the increase in measles cases in the early part of this century resulting in deaths, the first ones for decades. Vaccinations only work to supress epidemics if the vaccine efficacy is high enough and the percentage of the population inoculated reaches a certain threshold.
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24/03/2021 22:51:53 2 1
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2) With an R0 of ~3.5 for the B117 variant, the vaccine would need to be 80% effective with 75% coverage to prevent another outbreak. Amongst the elderly this isn't an issue, but amongst the 18-35 bracket it is, ~0% coverage at the moment. To make pubs safe again (inside) you would need at least 75% coverage amongst their clientele, otherwise we could have more outbreaks and local lockdowns.
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24/03/2021 21:20:45 197 255
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Get a grip, if you don't want to take the vaccine why should I share a pub with you, you can carry on drinking at home.
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24/03/2021 21:24:03 69 17
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Why don't you stay home instead,, you're obviously scared of everything
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24/03/2021 21:24:06 5 9
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all you need to do is wear a mask and keep your distance
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24/03/2021 21:27:37 2 3
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Yeah, let’s do that for the rest of time .
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24/03/2021 21:27:57 3 1
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Both of which are completely unworkable in a pub. Either open them normally, with zero restrictions, or don’t bother at all
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24/03/2021 21:35:21 0 1
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In a pub?
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24/03/2021 21:24:40 5 11
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It is all about the insurance costs for businesses such as pubs. They will either have to only accept vaccinated custom or increase the price of a pint significantly to cover the much higher premiums.
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24/03/2021 21:31:20 1 1
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Discount for the vaccinated?
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24/03/2021 21:20:45 197 255
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Get a grip, if you don't want to take the vaccine why should I share a pub with you, you can carry on drinking at home.
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24/03/2021 21:25:05 69 12
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I’ve had the vaccine, I just don’t think it’s appropriate because after this the floodgates will open. What next? Microchips? Tags? People shouldn’t be coerced. Plus the data shows that transmission is cut by 80% from Pfizer & AZ so even small, unvaccinated minority shouldn’t be an issue. This measure just creates a hateful, prejudicial, intolerant society determined to make life an ordeal.
24/03/2021 23:03:14 1 1
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1) But until the majority of pub clientele are vaccinated, that is the 18-35 age group, the risk of localised outbreaks is still high. Will we get 80% of 18-35 year olds taking the vaccine, I hope so. As for coercion, people aren't allowed to smoke in pubs anymore, and we accept that, people aren't allowed to carry knives. Rules change to fit the circumstances in which we live.
24/03/2021 23:09:16 1 1
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2) Are you suggesting that unvaccinated people should be allowed to enter an enclosed space potentially carrying a highly transmissible, deadly virus, making no attempt to prevent it spreading because they're too afraid/ignorant to take a free vaccine? Obviously using the beer garden in the summer will present a much lower risk.
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24/03/2021 21:25:07 643 131
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For those who think vaccine passports are a good idea, all I can give you is an Aldous Huxley quote: “A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.”
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24/03/2021 21:34:39 402 47
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Social media; updated by choice to tell the world your entire life history and location. Smartphones; constant tracking of your person. Instant camera to record your fellow citizen and post on a video sharing site. Again by choice.

They made it cool for everyone to be walking CCTV cameras, and telling the world their every movement. We chose this future, as the servile sheep most of us are.
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24/03/2021 21:40:25 41 46
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You have no idea what a totalitarian state is like if you think 2021 UK is one.

You should read some history instead of fiction.
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24/03/2021 21:54:24 34 19
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Who said anything about passports? This is purely about publicans having the right to refuse service. Which they always have had. If they say no service to people who cannot evidence a vaccine so be it. Their choice.
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24/03/2021 22:39:36 10 2
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Had that long before Covid. Long British tradition of the lower orders being taught to proudly know their place and to be supicious of anyone who isn't like them (qv. Brave New World).
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24/03/2021 22:47:46 10 6
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BS it is no different in that respect to a driving licence -- did you harp on about them or just jump when prompted by a facebook campaign. By you enslavement to social media your are the embodiment of a brave new world.
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24/03/2021 22:54:11 8 6
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You don't know what you're talking about, you have absolutely no idea what "totalitarian" even means. You disrespect the millions who have perished under such regimes. Its disgraceful behaviour.
25/03/2021 00:01:53 11 5
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They have got the younger population in particular already. Cashless, money tracking. Passports/driving licences for facial ID database exactly the same as a number tattooed across your forehead. Fingerprints to 'unlock devices. Stupid use of real names on line, telling anyone your real birthdate. Let alone dna data taken on any whim of the 'security' forces. Makes one glad to be old on way out.
25/03/2021 00:30:41 9 6
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You wear a mask I presume. Social distance maybe? Stayed home unless you have to go out for a purpose. You took action to keep people safe, so please explain why a landlord can’t do that by making sure that his or her staff safe with their doors open before the vaccine is rolled out globally, or would you rather them just not open until that point?
VoR
25/03/2021 03:04:21 6 5
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Except that our govt is not totalitarian, the policy is not particularly burdensome, and it'll save lives. It's not even comparable with servitude.
MH
25/03/2021 06:00:39 4 3
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Please grow up
25/03/2021 06:01:50 1 3
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Nice, apposite...
25/03/2021 06:05:44 4 5
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Surely your quote describes 90% of Conservative voters on the way they need to serve their master's and the way their master's tell them they are being patriotic with their servitude.
Read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists describing over a century of working class servitude !
25/03/2021 06:11:33 1 5
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We managed to leave the EU !
25/03/2021 06:40:17 4 4
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Already happened, unfortunately.

Millions of people who have absolutely no reason to vote Conservative keep voting Conservative.

They *enjoy* voting for an unfair society where the rich get richer at their expense, and then proudly bang the Tory drums - sort of a weird political masochism.
25/03/2021 07:15:56 5 1
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I assume you haven't travelled much? Vaccine passports have been around a very long time, maybe consider your luck that before now they haven't been needed for travel to and from the UK?

I also love that people have voted in an authoritarian Tory government for over a decade and are now suddenly against their policies, absolutely baffling
25/03/2021 07:46:01 1 2
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This far right government will have an extra six months at least to do whatever it likes to a public that quite obviously just takes it.
25/03/2021 07:56:20 2 2
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Huxley’s interpretations of the terms slave and servitude are clearly very, very different to yours. You should consider revisiting the book rather than behaving in such a supercilious manner towards anyone who disagrees with you.
25/03/2021 07:57:05 0 5
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100% agree and the frightening thing is how many people will say "won't mind" or mutter oh well, thats what the govt says... many morons simply don't understand the inherent dangers in this.
25/03/2021 08:07:50 4 1
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Whaa whaa
My rights
Whaa whaa
25/03/2021 08:38:25 2 1
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What makes you so paranoid and what do you do that makes you think anybody is interested in tracking your movements?
25/03/2021 08:39:37 0 3
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Well said, these are indeed worrying times for the last threads of freedom
25/03/2021 08:48:53 0 3
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I see it all the time: people competing to be the best slave. Humanity has lost its balls from centuries of domestication.
25/03/2021 08:50:31 2 1
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up to pub landlord,if he want's business he won't bother just calm down for goodness sake
25/03/2021 09:20:31 0 4
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I can't imagine how the BBC are letting this comment remain when all mine on similar subjects for the past year have been immediately deleted.
72
24/03/2021 21:25:16 7 14
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next lockdown is inevitable unless we vaccinate everyone
185
24/03/2021 21:29:34 0 2
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Dont be a Woke idiot I am not having a vaccine, it is my right to say no. Wake up to what is really happening. Wakey, wakey sleepy head!
219
24/03/2021 21:40:21 0 1
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
62
24/03/2021 21:23:34 12 6
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
73
24/03/2021 21:25:25 6 6
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What a load of claptrap
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24/03/2021 21:18:11 7 9
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I'm curious, do you think people who declined the vaccine should be penalised?

If so, why?
74
24/03/2021 21:25:31 2 2
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Why not?
75
24/03/2021 21:25:31 8 6
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They won’t have many customers. Pubs have a high percentage of naysayers and bull****ters
97
24/03/2021 21:28:31 3 4
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Pathetic statement
If a room full of vaccinated people can't cope with a non-vaccinated person in their midst, maybe taking the vaccine was a waste of time. Just a thought. Removed
76
24/03/2021 21:25:34 401 208
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Beggars belief doesn’t it. Getting the vaccine is up to the individual not the state.
106
24/03/2021 21:29:51 34 14
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So is common sense.
266
24/03/2021 21:43:29 52 17
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It is up to the publican, not the state.
307
24/03/2021 21:48:12 13 3
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Not for the Under 50s!!
379
24/03/2021 21:55:36 7 7
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Well said
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24/03/2021 22:02:12 41 55
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this is true. but having a vaccine and going for a pint never hurt anyone. not having it and going for a pint might kill someone. I agree that the choice should still be the individuals though. decisions decisions
525
24/03/2021 22:09:58 30 14
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Absolutely, and it’s also up to the individual to chose whether to be in the company of a potential carrier or to avoid them like a rabid dog.
595
24/03/2021 22:16:41 11 15
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So is not being able to travel overseas (probable required by receiving country) and er not being served in a privately owned pub or restaurant. Enjoy your selfish lonely domestic existence.
671
24/03/2021 22:23:35 12 28
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Presumably they wont want the state to treat them at huge expense when they need a ventilator
801
24/03/2021 22:32:29 8 21
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Yes but if the majority of us have the vaccine the minority of you are going to have to buggar off somewhere else (Falklands or Antartica )
874
24/03/2021 22:42:58 13 3
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Serving customers in a pub etc is up to the venue management. Choices - we all have them!
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Bob
24/03/2021 22:46:48 10 6
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Which means it is equally up to the owner of an establishment to have the rules they see fit.

Either you believe in freedom of choice, and therefore the right to refuse a vaccine and prove who you are or what you've done, or you don't.

Anyone crying about this is not taking a 'freedom' attitude, they're taking a selfish one. They just don't realise it.
969
24/03/2021 22:51:42 0 3
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Like heck it is
Ian
24/03/2021 23:02:10 4 2
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And getting into a pub is up to the business owner, not the state.
24/03/2021 23:03:26 3 9
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100% behind it. Fantastic idea.
24/03/2021 23:04:33 8 16
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Such a shame there are so many selfish individuals who are not prepared to have the vaccine and thus protect others.
24/03/2021 23:13:18 2 1
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And deciding whether you want unvaccinated people in your premises is up to the individual landlord: Boris did not suggest that the state would decide
DLD
24/03/2021 23:12:53 1 5
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Yes up to you.All you need to understand is that you can't go out,go to a pub,no work etc
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24/03/2021 21:23:31 31 24
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I'd buy a fake one on the dark web before I am forced to take this vaccine to go to a cafe or a pub.
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thanks mr spreader of the virus Removed
25/03/2021 05:44:52 0 2
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But you are vaccnated, you can not catch it?
78
24/03/2021 21:26:34 1 2
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Hep B jabs require all three to work, administered by the dates given for each jab
Is this not the same for the covid jabs?
That makes 2 million of the population ready
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24/03/2021 21:15:56 25 44
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The passport idea is brilliant. Anyone who refuses to get one doesn’t deserve to be allowed into pubs or to go on holiday. Well done the Government for coming up with this scheme! We’re leading the way in the world in getting out of this mess.
79
24/03/2021 21:26:51 6 11
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Tory apologist with 126,000 deaths at his door.
25/03/2021 12:58:54 0 1
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Are you suggesting the poster is responsible for all the 126,000 deaths? I don't know the poster, but such an assertion would seem a little harsh...
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24/03/2021 21:23:03 10 15
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A proper app with either proof of vaccine or exemption should be mandatory. If you have a genuine exception then you get it flagged. And if you don't, as a number of people going into shops at the moment without masks on clearly don't, then you no longer have carte blanche to act in total disregard of what has been deemed acceptable behaviour by the general population.
80
24/03/2021 21:26:55 1 2
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
81
24/03/2021 21:26:58 6 3
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Nothing to worry about here. Between the ages of 13 and 18 I was always asked to show my papers in pubs. Always got away with it.
82
24/03/2021 21:27:09 11 4
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Shooting from the hip and passing the buck. What a fine specimen Mr Johnson is!
331
24/03/2021 21:51:06 5 1
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tbf he was badgered by the media with that question, and tried to give a flustered answer. And did not say 'people will have to'. Its the Woke media that want to push this agenda...along with the likes of Tony Blair, paid to endorse these apps
83
24/03/2021 21:27:09 6 4
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Having a vaccine does not prevent you from catching Covid, nor becoming very ill. Yes, it reduces the risk of serious illness, hospitalisation and death, but some social distancing will still be important yet, as we are not aiming for zero Covid like Aus, NZ etc. My wife, who works in healthcare, has told me of some Covid infected, very sick staff this week, and they are due 2nd vaccinations soon.
Rae
25/03/2021 01:12:01 0 2
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And your wife is breaking confidentiality rules by sharing this information with you
14
24/03/2021 21:17:37 14 18
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Well said
84
24/03/2021 21:27:22 6 4
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B/S tory apologist maybe.
85
24/03/2021 21:27:27 237 57
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and so the march to tyranny continues....
432
24/03/2021 22:01:26 98 23
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Brave New World is essential reading
The March of Tranny!!! Removed
25/03/2021 10:38:59 4 1
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The way BoJo works is to float an idea, see what the reaction is and then decide whether to implement it or not. It is all about popularity. Pub passports are plainly unpopular and unworkable so won’t happen but Boris gets to look as if he is trying to protect us. Don’t fall for it.
25/03/2021 10:48:32 0 1
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What's the point of a vaccine passport; the vaccine does not stop a) you getting Covid or b) passing it to someone else, it just lessens the chance of a and b. This would be a very controlling step. 1984 re-imagined as 2124?
25/03/2021 10:49:52 0 1
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"and so the march to tyranny continues...."

The adlib bletherings of a mediocre toff who you otherwise idolise, grandad

Its almost as if he doesn't know what he's talking about and 99% of the time you don't care
68
24/03/2021 21:24:06 5 9
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all you need to do is wear a mask and keep your distance
86
24/03/2021 21:27:37 2 3
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Yeah, let’s do that for the rest of time .
55
24/03/2021 21:23:02 180 36
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If this is the future then I am out of here. I have had a great life and been very lucky to be able to travel, play sport, socialise freely and can move on spiritually knowing I have tried my best for my family. To the next couple of generations good luck and stay conscious because this is now crazy time.
87
24/03/2021 21:27:54 108 50
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Agreed. I've already committed to emigrating. I hope the wokists who are left behind enjoy their Brave New World.
227
24/03/2021 21:41:18 24 7
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Where will you go that won't have the exact same measures?
253
24/03/2021 21:42:40 25 8
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Let's hope the country you want to emigrate to won't require a vaccine passport for you to even get through customs.
909
24/03/2021 22:46:21 10 3
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Where? Hope you've had your jab they wont let you in otherwise!
931
24/03/2021 22:48:02 8 4
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To where? Oz, or that isolated Island to the right of Oz, I think it is called the Land of the Eternal Lockdown.
24/03/2021 23:11:41 15 15
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If the country was full of "wokists", we wouldn't be under the rule of the tyrannical Johnson!

We'd probably have someone more like New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern in charge. You know, someone who actually makes decisions based on science, rather than gut feeling.

And then we'd have been out of lockdown for 10 months now!!

Its the right wing countries who have failed the most with this!!
25/03/2021 01:19:55 1 4
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I am not emigrating just leaving safe in the knowledge there is a better place.
me
25/03/2021 02:09:11 4 2
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Bye
25/03/2021 09:14:23 2 2
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Bye then.

Don't write.
25/03/2021 10:57:55 1 1
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Let's hope the new brexit rules don't hold up your plans as well as covid.
25/03/2021 12:04:48 0 1
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Well good luck with that, as some countries have even more restrictions than we do and you may have to prove you have had the vaccine.
68
24/03/2021 21:24:06 5 9
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all you need to do is wear a mask and keep your distance
88
24/03/2021 21:27:57 3 1
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Both of which are completely unworkable in a pub. Either open them normally, with zero restrictions, or don’t bother at all
310
24/03/2021 21:43:21 0 1
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Drink your pint through a straw under your mask.

/bad taste joke
89
24/03/2021 21:27:59 3 4
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A landlord of a pub has the right to serve or not to serve anyone for any reason so it's in their hands.
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GS
24/03/2021 21:29:52 2 3
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Er no they cant. Discrimination on many grounds is illegal
134
24/03/2021 21:32:39 0 1
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Sure they do; disabled, pregnant, Jew, Muslim ... there’s nothing at all to stop them.
Don’t be ridiculous.
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JL
24/03/2021 21:34:56 0 1
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So you wouldn’t mind some pubs demanding proof of NON vaccination to gain access then?

Like you say, landlords decision, or nah?
186
24/03/2021 21:30:19 0 1
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Yes, members of the public don't have an automatic right to drink in any pub they wish.
199
24/03/2021 21:39:09 0 1
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Can they refuse to serve somebody because they're black? Stop talking nonsense.
90
24/03/2021 21:28:00 11 2
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OFFS
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24/03/2021 21:16:34 372 399
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Actually, they may get plenty of customers who want to have a drink in a safe covid free environment..just saying..
91
24/03/2021 21:28:00 57 17
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Absolutely no guarantee that it would be covid free, the vaccine protects recipient against serious illness if fortunate.

It does not stop you getting infected, or being infectious......just saying..
24/03/2021 23:19:23 3 1
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Nothing is 100% it is a question of probabilities. It is not 'stop' or 'free' but 'less chance of'
25/03/2021 02:16:47 0 1
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That's true of all vaccines. If only you knew a bit more, or read a bit more, you might be dangerous!
92
24/03/2021 21:28:08 20 1
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So one of my kids said Dad if you dont have the vaccine you cant come see the children....So i said fine ......silence.
93
24/03/2021 21:28:18 7 6
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It will happen, you will end up being charged for a certificate and you’ll all roll over and accept it.
184
24/03/2021 21:38:25 5 2
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Yep. The amount of sheep already bleating their agreement is staggering. A once mighty nation and people has been reduced to communist style servitude.
358
24/03/2021 21:53:28 0 1
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calm down Wolfie
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24/03/2021 21:22:49 11 12
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It is people's personal choice whether to have a vaccine. I wholly support the rest of us having in place a system that means those who dont have one are kept at arms length for safety reasons
94
24/03/2021 21:28:22 1 4
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:28:22 76 14
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How ridiculous that would be! Especially as they don't know how long a vaccine protects you for or if boosters will be needed. I'm guessing it is just scaremongering to ensure the young get vaccinated when they are called up.
834
24/03/2021 22:38:42 17 6
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Good point
25/03/2021 09:00:33 0 1
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I'm sure you're right nottie, but where does it end? It all looks damn crazy from here. No common sense or facts to support this legislation.
25/03/2021 10:08:53 0 1
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Do keep up, they've already said that boosters will be needed just like the flu jab.
96
24/03/2021 21:28:27 5 17
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So, get vaccinated then! No brainer. Move on, nothing to see here.
Yes Adolf Removed
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24/03/2021 21:37:15 0 2
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley
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24/03/2021 21:39:31 0 2
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So those who have been advised to not have the vaccine should just be left out of society is this a no brainer ?
If medical advice says do not have vaccine you should not be penalised
529
24/03/2021 22:10:21 0 1
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What about under 40s, you good for them to continue to be locked down?
75
24/03/2021 21:25:31 8 6
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They won’t have many customers. Pubs have a high percentage of naysayers and bull****ters
97
24/03/2021 21:28:31 3 4
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Pathetic statement
372
24/03/2021 21:54:33 0 1
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The Winchester is members only anyway
45
24/03/2021 21:22:05 7 9
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If people vote with their feet so be it, but would you want them as a customer anyhow?
98
24/03/2021 21:28:39 2 3
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“A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.” - Aldous Huxley