Covid jab probably does protect those around you
30/03/2021 | news | health | 675
Out-of-date information may be deterring people from being vaccinated.
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30/03/2021 09:13:37 9 2
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More HYS on covid PLEASE bbc !!

;)
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30/03/2021 09:18:28 140 2
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I can see why the politicians have switched on the caution button. But really the data that is coming out suggests that the vaccines are doing pretty much all we could hope for.
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30/03/2021 11:07:45 78 8
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For the first time in the pandemic I actually think the government has it right. You’re right the data is excellent, but there should be some element of caution with staged reopening without being too slow. I’m feeling really positive about where we are and this is more great news.
Possibly, potentially, maybe, perhaps, feasibly, hopefully, god willing....

All good words that are about as accurate as guessing and not very scientific or definitive.

I possibly, potentially, hopefully and god willing will win the EuroMillions tonight :-)
Surely it's a certainty???
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30/03/2021 22:15:32 0 4
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Yeah nothing to do with less testing,fact that majority of UK population had Covid and is immune,flu season came to an end.It is Goverment that saved and not approved vaccine.
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LH
31/03/2021 14:20:03 0 0
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... and BETTER than the annual flu jab!!!!
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30/03/2021 09:19:45 197 27
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The science says it protects you and those around you, not 100%, but substantially (70, 80 and 90% mentioned above). So just get it, dont mess about trying to find excuses not to, its for all of our good. The quicker the R number lowers, the sooner we get our freedoms back.
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30/03/2021 10:45:59 41 138
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When the article can be written without the liberal use of words such as "probably", "most likely", "might", "suggests", "appeared to", "seems to be" and "may" then it will be of more use. All I see above is fluff!! Let's see what happens when we are fully out of lockdown...fingers crossed that the apparent good news continues.
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30/03/2021 13:10:20 27 4
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But they won't
It's shameful that this country has so many dimwits.
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30/03/2021 13:30:58 14 41
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Get our freedoms back??! ??????

You still can't see what's happening? We're never getting back the freedoms we knew in 2019. Our consciousness has been permanently shifted to deem freedom a privilege that the government can grant or withdraw however they see fit, 'for our safety.'

We've just entered a cycle of lockdown-vaccine-lockdown, and it's likely to be in place for the rest of our lives.
Possibly, potentially, maybe, perhaps, feasibly, hopefully, god willing....

All good words that are about as accurate as guessing and not very scientific or definitive.

I possibly, potentially, hopefully and god willing will win the EuroMillions tonight :-)

Surely it's a certainty???
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30/03/2021 22:13:17 1 4
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You do you I'll do me."Probably" my ass.
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31/03/2021 08:52:40 1 2
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In another world, its been shown that having a home reduces needless deaths on the freezing streets. So just share your damn hoarding of capital and property.

In another world, its been shown that peace, saves lives. So stop it with the warmngering.

Trust is something that is earnt, and it can be lost in an instance.
People say trust the science, I trust the method, I just dont trust the people
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31/03/2021 21:12:52 1 0
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Then it’s time we offered to help the French in their time of need. They’re hospitals are approaching capacity and we have capacity in London, 2 1/2 hours from Paris.
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30/03/2021 09:27:26 27 13
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Well colour me stupid, I never knew vaccines did what they were intended to do.
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30/03/2021 09:32:17 53 3
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Vaccines are intended to protect you. The information they prevent you infecting others wasn't know but just hoped for.
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30/03/2021 09:27:26 27 13
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Well colour me stupid, I never knew vaccines did what they were intended to do.
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30/03/2021 09:32:17 53 3
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Vaccines are intended to protect you. The information they prevent you infecting others wasn't know but just hoped for.
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30/03/2021 09:53:28 3 2
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This is well known vaccine behaviour that you'll get attenuated cases as well as fully prevented.
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30/03/2021 15:25:31 6 0
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If the vaccine prevents you catching something then it does prevent you being infections, this was known - what was not known was how effective the vaccines were at stopping people gettin COVID vs. reducing the severity of it once they caught it.
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30/03/2021 09:34:53 9 51
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Vaccinating the world with a vaccine with so little study they don't even know how it works, unbelievable! Probably is not very scientific is it. Canada now stopped the AstraZeneca vaccine do those 55 and under due to data they have regarding blood clots. Saying risks outweigh the benefits and more study needed. Wondering when we will see that published on the BBC?
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30/03/2021 09:43:39 35 4
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Absolute guff.
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30/03/2021 10:19:58 14 5
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I had the AZ vaccine yesterday. I feel a little off today like really mild flu. If your deliberately not going to take it based on some rare side effects then I'm sorry, but your just a big baby.
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30/03/2021 10:26:12 2 3
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Phil - I'm a great believer in Darwin's theory of evolution. The strong survive and it is highly likely that this will result in most Anti-Vaxxers and conspiracy theorists voting with their lives. Sad but true.
We all agree that the vaccine should be tested more but the whole globe can't wait 10 or 15 years for that to happen. The vaccines are based upon a tweaked common cold virus. Get real.
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30/03/2021 09:34:53 9 51
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Vaccinating the world with a vaccine with so little study they don't even know how it works, unbelievable! Probably is not very scientific is it. Canada now stopped the AstraZeneca vaccine do those 55 and under due to data they have regarding blood clots. Saying risks outweigh the benefits and more study needed. Wondering when we will see that published on the BBC?
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30/03/2021 09:43:39 35 4
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Absolute guff.
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30/03/2021 09:59:00 5 16
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Most vaccines take years to be released, with long term trials. Unless they have access to a time machine we know these long term trials covering several years has have not been done. Canada have stopped the AZ vaccine for under 55s due to having different data regarding a rare form of blood clot and the risks outweigh the benefits for younger people, Google it as it isn't on the BBC yet.
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MVP
30/03/2021 09:49:09 42 5
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I am more interested in what the scientists are saying rather than what the government says.

And the two are not necessarily the same.
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30/03/2021 10:55:45 41 1
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Scientists try to predict what will happen in any given scenario. Politicians have to decide what action to then take. They have different roles.. For example, if scientists say there will probably be more infections if schools are opened, politicians must decide whether the cost of more infections outweighs the benefit to children. This isn't contradicting the scientists.
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30/03/2021 11:25:37 1 3
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I don't pay any attention to politicians - not in general and certainly not in relation to matters of science.
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30/03/2021 13:44:54 2 0
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The 'evidence' section in the article os what the scientists are saying - 4 different studies are mentioned. The overly cautious line from the government is reflecting those studies.
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30/03/2021 09:32:17 53 3
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Vaccines are intended to protect you. The information they prevent you infecting others wasn't know but just hoped for.
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30/03/2021 09:53:28 3 2
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This is well known vaccine behaviour that you'll get attenuated cases as well as fully prevented.
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30/03/2021 09:43:39 35 4
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Absolute guff.
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30/03/2021 09:59:00 5 16
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Most vaccines take years to be released, with long term trials. Unless they have access to a time machine we know these long term trials covering several years has have not been done. Canada have stopped the AZ vaccine for under 55s due to having different data regarding a rare form of blood clot and the risks outweigh the benefits for younger people, Google it as it isn't on the BBC yet.
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30/03/2021 10:09:36 16 2
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Exactly - rare form of blood clot. All medications / vaccinations, even those that have been around for years, carry the potential risk of some side effects.

Have your read the leaflet that comes with Paracetamol & Ibuprofen ? Scary side effects listed and nobody thinks twice about popping those for pain relief.
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30/03/2021 10:02:44 7 7
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Oh yay, another Covid HYS, let's see what the pretend epidemiologists can teach us today
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30/03/2021 13:56:47 0 0
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It will all be over in 3-6 weeks
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30/03/2021 10:07:01 76 21
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Owners of care homes should tear up the contracts and make it mandatory for staff to start a full vaccination course. 3 months on there are still too many people working in care homes who haven't even had a single jab.

Sadly employment law seems to supersede common sense..
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30/03/2021 14:38:39 32 1
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Not common sense but professional duty of care to prevent people from becomming ill or dying
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30/03/2021 17:00:35 5 0
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How could any sane person argue against you.
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30/03/2021 17:15:02 4 0
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It would be hard to take away "rights" from existing employees, but it might be possible to add benefits to those who have crucial vaccines. Then don't give any payrises.
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30/03/2021 18:45:57 4 0
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The nurse who does my regular blood test (I'm immunocompromised) has proudly refused the vaccine. Grr...
Rights AND responsibilities!
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31/03/2021 09:18:15 0 4
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Hang on a moment bud, you're proposing that employment law or contracts should be changed to mandate an experimental vaccine to be admininsitered prior to employment?

If the companies who own and control these patented products are not willing to be held accountable then what you're saying is basically mental and you should be locked up
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30/03/2021 09:59:00 5 16
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Most vaccines take years to be released, with long term trials. Unless they have access to a time machine we know these long term trials covering several years has have not been done. Canada have stopped the AZ vaccine for under 55s due to having different data regarding a rare form of blood clot and the risks outweigh the benefits for younger people, Google it as it isn't on the BBC yet.
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30/03/2021 10:09:36 16 2
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Exactly - rare form of blood clot. All medications / vaccinations, even those that have been around for years, carry the potential risk of some side effects.

Have your read the leaflet that comes with Paracetamol & Ibuprofen ? Scary side effects listed and nobody thinks twice about popping those for pain relief.
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30/03/2021 10:21:37 3 10
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Canada are suggesting the data they have seen is 1 in 100,000 could suffer regarding this particular side effect, that means the risks outweigh the benefits for that age group, it makes sense to investigate further. AstraZeneca is renaming the vaccine to Vaxzervia to try and distance itself from the various negative press reports. There was us thinking it wasn't about PR and money.
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30/03/2021 14:41:51 0 1
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Has anyone ever forced you to take Paracetamol & Ibuprofen when you were healthy?

If not your argument is baseless
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Ian
30/03/2021 10:09:40 16 16
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????????????????????????????

Anyone not getting the vaccine should have an electronic tag.
It's up to business owners who they admit into premises or employ.
So let's give them an app to detect if someone is wearing an no-vax tag.
Easier for bouncers to turn away people at the door too.

????????????????????????????

MildMannered
11:11
Outrageous! No way!

BorisFriend
11:10
At last, common sense
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30/03/2021 13:16:11 2 2
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The unvaccinated could remove the tag and go around undetected.

Better to tag the vacinated, no tag no entry
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30/03/2021 13:21:21 3 0
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How about they all wear a yellow star? Oh no, they did that in the past with one group and it was universally decried, maybe you're right electronic tags first followed by internment camps, maybe we should take their children away too because obviously they won't be capable of looking after them properly?!! Maybe then when the camps are full we could just execute them? End of problem?
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30/03/2021 16:29:02 0 0
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Probably the worst comment I have seen for a while...
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30/03/2021 10:16:10 8 23
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There are over 40 countries with zero Covid deaths I would perhaps listen to their advice on how to manage this virus.
All the world leading countries have been particularly badly hit by covid so not sure we should be in a rush to listen to their latest opinion.

Does being vaccinated protect people around you? You can still catch the disease and carry it while being vaccinated. So no
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30/03/2021 10:19:40 12 3
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So that's 155 with Covid deaths and 40 without who may not be measuring Covid as carefully as others ... vaccines work else your kind might have died from measles or be disabled by polio.
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30/03/2021 10:26:15 10 0
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This is rubbish. Yes, if we had had Taiwan’s track and trace going when this kicked off, and been prepared to institute their strict immigration policy then, we too could have had zero deaths. It wasn’t, we weren’t, it’s too late for that, covid is endemic here, so our only out is vaccination. And yes it does protect those round you, READ THE ARTICLE.
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30/03/2021 12:32:21 1 0
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8 on this list, and I'd be suspicious of some of those numbers, others tiny south pacific island nations which closed their borders
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30/03/2021 10:16:10 8 23
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There are over 40 countries with zero Covid deaths I would perhaps listen to their advice on how to manage this virus.
All the world leading countries have been particularly badly hit by covid so not sure we should be in a rush to listen to their latest opinion.

Does being vaccinated protect people around you? You can still catch the disease and carry it while being vaccinated. So no
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30/03/2021 10:19:40 12 3
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So that's 155 with Covid deaths and 40 without who may not be measuring Covid as carefully as others ... vaccines work else your kind might have died from measles or be disabled by polio.
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30/03/2021 11:23:45 2 0
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Can we totally rely on the transparency of the data from those 40 countries? Science says being vaccinated does protect those around us. I've said this before on HYS, that vaccination is the ONLY way out of this pandemic. The more of us who are vaccinated, the more protected we are as a country. Please get a jab and help our NHS get back to a "normal" workload.
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30/03/2021 09:34:53 9 51
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Vaccinating the world with a vaccine with so little study they don't even know how it works, unbelievable! Probably is not very scientific is it. Canada now stopped the AstraZeneca vaccine do those 55 and under due to data they have regarding blood clots. Saying risks outweigh the benefits and more study needed. Wondering when we will see that published on the BBC?
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30/03/2021 10:19:58 14 5
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I had the AZ vaccine yesterday. I feel a little off today like really mild flu. If your deliberately not going to take it based on some rare side effects then I'm sorry, but your just a big baby.
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30/03/2021 10:25:26 5 12
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Try telling that to families that have lost loved ones due to these rare blot clots. It is absolutely correct people investigate and question how these vaccines are working.
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30/03/2021 10:09:36 16 2
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Exactly - rare form of blood clot. All medications / vaccinations, even those that have been around for years, carry the potential risk of some side effects.

Have your read the leaflet that comes with Paracetamol & Ibuprofen ? Scary side effects listed and nobody thinks twice about popping those for pain relief.
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30/03/2021 10:21:37 3 10
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Canada are suggesting the data they have seen is 1 in 100,000 could suffer regarding this particular side effect, that means the risks outweigh the benefits for that age group, it makes sense to investigate further. AstraZeneca is renaming the vaccine to Vaxzervia to try and distance itself from the various negative press reports. There was us thinking it wasn't about PR and money.
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30/03/2021 11:03:12 3 0
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So now you’re telling us this Canadian data suggests 1 in 100,000 could suffer these rare blood clots. That equates to a 0.001% chance of someone developing them.

If we all worried about actions we take involving a 0.001% chance of serious injury or illness, we’d never cross the road, would we? We probably wouldn’t leave the house to start with, ever.
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30/03/2021 10:19:58 14 5
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I had the AZ vaccine yesterday. I feel a little off today like really mild flu. If your deliberately not going to take it based on some rare side effects then I'm sorry, but your just a big baby.
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30/03/2021 10:25:26 5 12
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Try telling that to families that have lost loved ones due to these rare blot clots. It is absolutely correct people investigate and question how these vaccines are working.
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30/03/2021 10:28:22 11 3
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It's a case of the lesser of two evils, vaccines being way down on the evil scale. Just take the damn thing when it's offered.
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30/03/2021 10:16:10 8 23
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There are over 40 countries with zero Covid deaths I would perhaps listen to their advice on how to manage this virus.
All the world leading countries have been particularly badly hit by covid so not sure we should be in a rush to listen to their latest opinion.

Does being vaccinated protect people around you? You can still catch the disease and carry it while being vaccinated. So no
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30/03/2021 10:26:15 10 0
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This is rubbish. Yes, if we had had Taiwan’s track and trace going when this kicked off, and been prepared to institute their strict immigration policy then, we too could have had zero deaths. It wasn’t, we weren’t, it’s too late for that, covid is endemic here, so our only out is vaccination. And yes it does protect those round you, READ THE ARTICLE.
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30/03/2021 10:26:50 119 22
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My taxi driver yesterday said he'll never get the vaccine as it was a ploy to get us all tagged. I should have refused to pay my fare...
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30/03/2021 11:51:39 23 104
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It is, digital identification (using the excuse of vaccine passports). With cases falling off a cliff, over 1/2 the population vaccinated why else would they be continuing to push for for v-passports, especially after the farce that was the trace and trace app.
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30/03/2021 12:00:38 33 4
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Your taxi driver was an idiot.
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30/03/2021 12:08:12 22 3
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I'd love to see a taxi driver, with zero medical experience, attend one of these news conferences that has 2 professors with about 60 years between them..just for some comic relief..!
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30/03/2021 15:49:09 2 1
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Just dont get in his taxi again
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30/03/2021 23:40:37 6 0
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Why on earth does he think B. Gates etc. are interested in his boring little life? Who TF is going to monitor and process all this data? It isn't that they (the state etc.) wouldn't but they can't effectively monitor the world and process out all the boring shit (99%) to get any useful data. Targeted surveillance is a worry for sure but really, these illuminati fantasists need an intellect.
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31/03/2021 08:59:06 2 3
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So, some dude doesnt want the medical mafia to inject fluids into his body, for reasons that ultimately is their choice, free will and all that.

But then there is you, who thinks they are somehow entitled to steal from someone, because they don't think and agree with every single one of your brainfarts

I predict a riot, hope you're ready for it.
We got a lot of people who are fed up with your BS
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31/03/2021 18:31:55 0 0
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What an idiot. What left wing paper has he been reading.
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al
31/03/2021 21:24:44 0 0
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Comment posted by Specialist_in_tailoring, at 11:26 30 MarSpecialist_in_tailoring"give me he's name and we can put it on the list".
you too will be on the list- somebody's a fan of 1984
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30/03/2021 10:27:36 66 6
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A huge thank you to all the staff helping out at the immunisation centre I attended yesterday. I've had my jab and I feel absolutely fine. it has been a real weight off to my mind to finally get it done, and it's an absolute miracle that we've done something amazing. If we pulled together we could defeat so many diseases!
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30/03/2021 10:41:52 10 60
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I wouldn't get too excited just yet, I know 2 people who have had their jabs BUT both now have contracted Covid last week and it's still hit them hard
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30/03/2021 10:25:26 5 12
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Try telling that to families that have lost loved ones due to these rare blot clots. It is absolutely correct people investigate and question how these vaccines are working.
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30/03/2021 10:28:22 11 3
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It's a case of the lesser of two evils, vaccines being way down on the evil scale. Just take the damn thing when it's offered.
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30/03/2021 10:39:37 4 9
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Lesser of two evils? Over 99% of people recover from Covid. 99% of my friends who had the vaccine have had side effects, some ending in hospitalisation so I'll use that basis for judgement
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30/03/2021 14:44:48 0 1
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How is a forced vaccine less evil than letting nature take its course?
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30/03/2021 10:29:49 74 5
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Don't listen to journalists or politicians, just listen to the scientists. But only scientists that are experts in the field and not the discredited ones put forward by the media to oppose the views of the experts.
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30/03/2021 10:48:50 39 6
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Who gets to decide which scientists are right and which are wrong? Sounds simple in theory, but scientific knowledge develops through disagreements and subsequent testing of hypotheses.
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30/03/2021 13:06:13 1 8
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Like whitty who has got it wrong over and over again?
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30/03/2021 10:03:05 8 14
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Any news yet on when the producers of the vaccines are going to be liable incase things go wrong? Or the MHRA, or the government or ANYBODY? I want this vaccine just like I'd want any other, but why the continued indemnity??
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30/03/2021 12:24:00 1 1
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standard practice with vaccines, there will always be a small number with adverse reactions, butt he benefit of the vaccination programme to the country as a whole is huge.
If pharma is liable for any side effect claims, it will simply push the price of the vaccines up, they are not going to sell at cost and then run risk of liabilities.
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30/03/2021 10:39:02 2 15
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All this SCIENCE but the best answer we are given is probably. Wow and you wander why some people won't be vaccinated....they have read too many wishy washy statements like this
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aa
30/03/2021 10:52:13 14 0
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What were you expecting, a 100% binary anwer (yes or no)? Anyone that offers 100% certainty on anything (particularly with regards to the pandemic) is either mistaken or lying.
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sb
30/03/2021 11:07:24 4 0
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This comment is as uneducated as it is ungrateful.
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30/03/2021 11:18:28 4 0
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What exactly do you find wishy washy? Please tell and I'll try and make it simpler for you
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30/03/2021 13:17:39 1 0
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The problem is uneducated people like you aren't going to understand science so to dumb it down to your level they use statements like "Probably" and "maybe". Science is all about collating (gathering) data from various studies, next to nothing in science is Black and White. Its this is the most likely response.
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30/03/2021 10:28:22 11 3
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It's a case of the lesser of two evils, vaccines being way down on the evil scale. Just take the damn thing when it's offered.
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30/03/2021 10:39:37 4 9
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Lesser of two evils? Over 99% of people recover from Covid. 99% of my friends who had the vaccine have had side effects, some ending in hospitalisation so I'll use that basis for judgement
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30/03/2021 10:47:54 5 3
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If every single person on the planet caught Covid 19 then the recovery rate would not be 99%. It's highly unlikely that everyone has had the virus. I know I havent had it and I don't want it, so vaccination against getting it is logical.
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30/03/2021 11:31:54 3 0
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Really? Hospitalisations? I had no side effects at all and neither did most people I know. And if 99% of your friends had side effects then you must have at least 100 friends. Lucky you!
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30/03/2021 12:37:08 1 0
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Did 1% of people who took the vaccine die?
Did the 99% who recover from covid have no issues or hospitalisation?
The level of risk is not even close, unless you are following the plan where others get vaccinated creating herd immunity, while you don't.
In which case persuading others to copy you is foolish.
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30/03/2021 10:41:44 7 9
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Good, back to normal faster please.
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30/03/2021 10:27:36 66 6
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A huge thank you to all the staff helping out at the immunisation centre I attended yesterday. I've had my jab and I feel absolutely fine. it has been a real weight off to my mind to finally get it done, and it's an absolute miracle that we've done something amazing. If we pulled together we could defeat so many diseases!
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30/03/2021 10:41:52 10 60
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I wouldn't get too excited just yet, I know 2 people who have had their jabs BUT both now have contracted Covid last week and it's still hit them hard
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30/03/2021 11:08:19 20 2
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But at least they aren't dead....
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sb
30/03/2021 11:02:52 36 2
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that's probably because vaccines zero protection for the first 12 days, it takes at least 3 weeks for an antibody response to occur
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30/03/2021 11:32:23 30 3
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No vaccine is 100% effective as some rare individuals will fail to produce an immune response. This is the reason we all have to have the vaccine to help protect those individuals. Also is it possible your 'friends' (are they real friends or just contacts through face book?) may have contracted Covid by relaxing their guard before fully protected. You need both jabs and at least 3-4 weeks
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30/03/2021 12:00:55 20 2
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oh gosh ........ 2 people ....... must be bad ..........
ps....... itting them hard is better than dying ...... in my opinion!
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30/03/2021 12:40:55 25 2
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And when did they have their jabs? One jab doesn't offer max protection, and doesn't reach full potential until 21 days from that 1st jab.

And, could they, just perhaps, have been infected a day or so before they got the jab?

So much ignorance and misinformation
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30/03/2021 13:19:33 17 1
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They probably already infected before they got the jab,
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RPH
30/03/2021 22:24:24 4 0
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I'm sure this story is 100% true, and not made up at all.
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31/03/2021 18:36:15 2 0
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Maybe they got it when mixing with their friends before they got the jab.
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
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I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 10:59:50 2 5
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Lol, nice one people - you've just made my point! :)
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30/03/2021 11:01:54 4 2
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Stating that you are anti-vaccination because you don't want to be vaccinated. You do know that that is the very definition of a person that is anti vaccination don't you. What point are you trying to make? I'm not saying that you are right or wrong. But you have openly admitted to being anti-vaccination.
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30/03/2021 11:05:14 9 3
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I don't think for a moment that you are an "antivaxxer". However as one who also values individual freedom, society has to take precedence over individuals in this pandemic. I hope you will change your mind, bearing in mind that with the rights of individual choices come responsibilities.
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30/03/2021 11:13:56 3 2
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Your risk and you are welcome to it. Suppose you cross the road without looking.
Good luck.
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30/03/2021 11:22:16 9 1
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No, it just has them screaming "idiot"!

Why do people who refuse the jab think they're the ones who have made a free choice whereas they think those of us who have chosen to have it are just thoughtlessly following the herd? Being in a minority does not always make you right!
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ren
30/03/2021 11:22:28 5 1
bbc
...don't have any elderly parents, don't interact with elderly people...
With enough people with this attitude it's surprising we're not still treating polio and smallpox!
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30/03/2021 11:46:04 4 1
bbc
Of course it is your choice but please consider that your choice may affect someone else. Not all individuals will get full immunity from the jab and also some people have genuine reasons they cannot be vaccinated e.g. pregnant women - if you become infected you may spread the virus to these individuals which could lead to long term illness (long covid) or even death.
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30/03/2021 13:38:13 1 2
bbc
And your immune system will deal with every mutation and variant without the need for vax every six months
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30/03/2021 09:19:45 197 27
bbc
The science says it protects you and those around you, not 100%, but substantially (70, 80 and 90% mentioned above). So just get it, dont mess about trying to find excuses not to, its for all of our good. The quicker the R number lowers, the sooner we get our freedoms back.
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30/03/2021 10:45:59 41 138
bbc
When the article can be written without the liberal use of words such as "probably", "most likely", "might", "suggests", "appeared to", "seems to be" and "may" then it will be of more use. All I see above is fluff!! Let's see what happens when we are fully out of lockdown...fingers crossed that the apparent good news continues.
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30/03/2021 11:24:41 60 4
bbc
In science we perform experiments to examine a hypothesis (question). Complied results are rarely binary (yes/no) so we perform statistical analysis to see if we have enough evidence. In the article stats have been turned into simple language so the non-scientific can understand what is being said - hence the fluffy BBC language - rather than means, standard deviations, confidence intervals etc.
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30/03/2021 12:38:14 36 6
bbc
You don't need a degree in statistics to know that when dark clouds roll over, it will 'probably' rain. 'Most likely' it will, and wiser heads might 'suggest' that you have a brolly to hand. It's not a big ask, is it?
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30/03/2021 16:48:25 13 3
bbc
We won't be out of Lockdown if people follow your example will we!

Jeepers.
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30/03/2021 20:45:31 1 5
bbc
exactly. "Probably" means nothing. And this article sits right beside another one claiming that the BBC has proof that one of the biggest testing labs in the UK is providing bad tests. lol
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RPH
30/03/2021 22:06:56 4 3
bbc
So you would rather it was less accurate, so you could understand it? Most of us understand what probably, most likely, might, suggests, etc. mean, so we would rather have the accuracy , thanks.
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30/03/2021 23:01:29 1 3
bbc
Indeed, the headline is deliberately misleading.
The vaccine doesn't 'protect those around you'. It simply reduces the chances that you will kill them.
The chances of them catching Covid from elsewhere aren't reduced.
429
31/03/2021 04:07:43 3 0
bbc
A practicing scientist would disagree with you.

Most good ideas start off as what you call fluff: I.e. possibly, likely, suggests etc. A good scientist does not bullishly declare certainties when the data is still being built up. Nevertheless a point does come when it is reasonable to act on the tentative data.

To paraphase Churchill, the problem with perfection is Per—fe—ct—-ion.
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31/03/2021 08:26:41 1 1
bbc
No no no, the poor use of stats and risk evaluations is spread all over social media and the BBC. Covid is all about probabilities , lowering risks which are a multiple of individual risks . All well beyond the BBC whose journalists don't even have an O level in Maths. There is no such thing as 'safe' , it is meaningless.
572
31/03/2021 12:33:39 1 0
bbc
Someone unfamiliar with the scientific method. The standard of proof required for a scientist to drop use of these qualifiers is extremely high, and takes time to reach since it involves eliminating all areas of uncertainty however unlikely.
623
31/03/2021 16:09:43 0 0
bbc
Finally a voice of reason in a sea non-sense. The people who think for themselves have left the BBCs comments section.

Any person that believes the BBC are informing you of the truth, needs to expand their literary repertoire.
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30/03/2021 10:46:45 67 9
bbc
It's another example of good news being suppressed, whereas the opposite situation (if it didn't prevent serious illness) would get much more airtime. Is it government caution or the media preferring doom and gloom headlines? Probably a bit of both, but I'd like to see greater coverage of reassuring findings like this.
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Mup
30/03/2021 11:26:41 21 18
bbc
The negative bias is ironic given the BBC's remit to be 'balanced'....
636
31/03/2021 18:36:51 0 0
bbc
Not from the bbc.
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30/03/2021 10:39:37 4 9
bbc
Lesser of two evils? Over 99% of people recover from Covid. 99% of my friends who had the vaccine have had side effects, some ending in hospitalisation so I'll use that basis for judgement
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30/03/2021 10:47:54 5 3
bbc
If every single person on the planet caught Covid 19 then the recovery rate would not be 99%. It's highly unlikely that everyone has had the virus. I know I havent had it and I don't want it, so vaccination against getting it is logical.
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30/03/2021 14:48:59 0 0
bbc
The 99% is based only on detected covid death rates.

If 1 person had covid, but didn't get tested the recovery get even better.
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30/03/2021 10:29:49 74 5
bbc
Don't listen to journalists or politicians, just listen to the scientists. But only scientists that are experts in the field and not the discredited ones put forward by the media to oppose the views of the experts.
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30/03/2021 10:48:50 39 6
bbc
Who gets to decide which scientists are right and which are wrong? Sounds simple in theory, but scientific knowledge develops through disagreements and subsequent testing of hypotheses.
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30/03/2021 13:20:19 9 1
bbc
We can start by ignoring scientists that lay down rules for everyone, then blatantly don't follow them themselves, but have no comeback in terms of employment, and can still earn a living from it. And yes, that's Neil Ferguson.
245
30/03/2021 15:22:57 6 0
bbc
Actually its quite simple, if a scientist publishes something that others cannot repeat then it is wrong.
296
30/03/2021 17:12:50 2 0
bbc
A bit of common sense helps.
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RPH
30/03/2021 22:21:43 3 0
bbc
Other scientsts get to decide. That's why science works. If it didn't work you wouldn't be reading this.
509
31/03/2021 09:13:49 0 1
bbc
Science can only prove things to be wrong, it never proves things to be correct

This is why it is called the scientific method, as that is what it is, a method of experimentation and holding onto nothing if the evidence says so.

It's why the Royal Society motto is "Nullius in verba"

'Take nobodies word for it'
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30/03/2021 10:50:04 8 22
bbc
anyone who does not get vaccinated, if they fall ill take there credit card details and charge them for NHS patient Access and after care, then have them isolate for 3 months.
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30/03/2021 10:56:31 12 5
bbc
Along with overweight people, those who smoke or drink or eat an unhealthy diet (according to the Ministry of Health), don't exercise enough (ditto), those who practice contact sports, or otherwise bring about the need for healthcare through their own actions? So, everybody? Clever.
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30/03/2021 11:02:36 4 0
bbc
Don't be riddiculous. Yes people should get vaccinated. No people should not be pursecuted.
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30/03/2021 11:12:04 4 3
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
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30/03/2021 12:24:29 2 1
bbc
get off your moral high ground matey
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30/03/2021 10:39:02 2 15
bbc
All this SCIENCE but the best answer we are given is probably. Wow and you wander why some people won't be vaccinated....they have read too many wishy washy statements like this
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aa
30/03/2021 10:52:13 14 0
bbc
What were you expecting, a 100% binary anwer (yes or no)? Anyone that offers 100% certainty on anything (particularly with regards to the pandemic) is either mistaken or lying.
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MVP
30/03/2021 09:49:09 42 5
bbc
I am more interested in what the scientists are saying rather than what the government says.

And the two are not necessarily the same.
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30/03/2021 10:55:45 41 1
bbc
Scientists try to predict what will happen in any given scenario. Politicians have to decide what action to then take. They have different roles.. For example, if scientists say there will probably be more infections if schools are opened, politicians must decide whether the cost of more infections outweighs the benefit to children. This isn't contradicting the scientists.
637
31/03/2021 18:38:58 0 0
bbc
Quite right. Well said.
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30/03/2021 10:50:04 8 22
bbc
anyone who does not get vaccinated, if they fall ill take there credit card details and charge them for NHS patient Access and after care, then have them isolate for 3 months.
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30/03/2021 10:56:31 12 5
bbc
Along with overweight people, those who smoke or drink or eat an unhealthy diet (according to the Ministry of Health), don't exercise enough (ditto), those who practice contact sports, or otherwise bring about the need for healthcare through their own actions? So, everybody? Clever.
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30/03/2021 10:58:29 8 2
bbc
overweight people aren't spreading a virus to other people...
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30/03/2021 12:48:20 0 1
bbc
The growing lack of self-discipline in this country and refusal to accept responsibility for those outcomes have become a huge drain on our NHS, worse than it has been in over 70 years. Unfortunately, as this trend continues, it strengthens the argument for even more privatisation of the NHS. So who do you think will suffer most? Clever.
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30/03/2021 09:34:53 9 51
bbc
Vaccinating the world with a vaccine with so little study they don't even know how it works, unbelievable! Probably is not very scientific is it. Canada now stopped the AstraZeneca vaccine do those 55 and under due to data they have regarding blood clots. Saying risks outweigh the benefits and more study needed. Wondering when we will see that published on the BBC?
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30/03/2021 10:26:12 2 3
bbc
Phil - I'm a great believer in Darwin's theory of evolution. The strong survive and it is highly likely that this will result in most Anti-Vaxxers and conspiracy theorists voting with their lives. Sad but true.
We all agree that the vaccine should be tested more but the whole globe can't wait 10 or 15 years for that to happen. The vaccines are based upon a tweaked common cold virus. Get real.
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30/03/2021 14:49:53 0 0
bbc
Most? You mean ~1% of them?
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30/03/2021 10:56:31 12 5
bbc
Along with overweight people, those who smoke or drink or eat an unhealthy diet (according to the Ministry of Health), don't exercise enough (ditto), those who practice contact sports, or otherwise bring about the need for healthcare through their own actions? So, everybody? Clever.
40
30/03/2021 10:58:29 8 2
bbc
overweight people aren't spreading a virus to other people...
214
30/03/2021 14:09:50 0 0
bbc
Unvaccinated people who are not infected aren't spreading the diesease either
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 10:59:50 2 5
bbc
Lol, nice one people - you've just made my point! :)
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ren
30/03/2021 11:23:20 5 1
bbc
And you've just proved my ideas about the smugness of antivaxxers!
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30/03/2021 12:28:01 1 2
bbc
conspiracy theorists, antivaxxers - words & ways to diminish us as free thinking individuals who have not been schooled by this system of discrimination, now pretending to care; people in countries with no vaccination program are doing fine, they are healthy people, not being kept alive by any number of drugs; just to prove how successful medical care is? prevention is less expensive than cure
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 11:01:54 4 2
bbc
Stating that you are anti-vaccination because you don't want to be vaccinated. You do know that that is the very definition of a person that is anti vaccination don't you. What point are you trying to make? I'm not saying that you are right or wrong. But you have openly admitted to being anti-vaccination.
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30/03/2021 11:43:41 2 4
bbc
I'm not anti-vaccination, I think they're great tools to have in our arsenal to be used against disease, but I personally will not be taking it because : 1. I've already had Covid, so my antibodies kicked in (so no need to double-up with a jab), and 2. I keep myself to myself, so I'm no danger to the public. If I were a more sociable person, I'd probably make a different call.
227
30/03/2021 14:34:46 0 0
bbc
Poster never said they were antivax, they only said not for covid.
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30/03/2021 11:02:07 11 17
bbc
We have vaccinated the most vulnerable and elderly - why are things not opening up faster? If other people get it, it will either be mild, or they won't even know for the majority of people. Death rates are below the average for this time of year; folks who died of covid in Jan / Feb died a couple of months earlier than they would have done anyway. All perspective has been completely lost.
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30/03/2021 11:30:11 9 2
bbc
No perspective has been lost. Because it takes up to four weeks for the vaccine to have real effect! Also a lot of people are unvaccinated and we could run the risk of creating more variants. All life is precious. Small steps will be more likely to bring long term freedom rather then last year when we locked down to late and opened up to early.
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30/03/2021 11:58:52 1 2
bbc
Apparently they need large numbers to be vaccinated to be sure it stops transmission. 30+ million & 50% of adult population doesn't seem to be enough!
Constantly moving goal posts
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30/03/2021 12:14:30 1 1
bbc
Including your perspective. Do you thrive on ignorance or just enjoy winding people up?
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30/03/2021 12:23:48 0 1
bbc
bojo = king, a one eyed giant is king to a crowd who want to believe there is no agenda within mass vaccination programs; IMHO, i beg to differ, i still get a great kick out of making my own decisions, however small or big it may seem; it starts with respecting my environment & myself which leads to respecting animals too; , not trashing other's views because it does not rhyme with zeitgeist
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30/03/2021 11:02:24 3 14
bbc
'A growing body of real-world evidence suggests it stops a big chunk of people catching the virus at all.' Well I never, new vaccines that work outside the body. They even stop the virus before it infects you so that your body's pre-stimulated immune system has nowt to do. Wonderful!
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30/03/2021 12:29:24 0 0
bbc
Understanding the difference between being exposed to and catching the virus would be helpful in this debate.
If the body already has antibodies and the virus is prevented from taking over cells to make more virus, that is vaccine in action. Not some sort of magic virus shield that keeps the virus outside the bosy.
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30/03/2021 12:58:46 1 0
bbc
If there are fewer viruses in the environment fewer people will get infected. if fewer people's immune systems allow the virus to start replicating there will be fewer virus in the environment therefore less people will get infected Q.E.D.
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30/03/2021 10:50:04 8 22
bbc
anyone who does not get vaccinated, if they fall ill take there credit card details and charge them for NHS patient Access and after care, then have them isolate for 3 months.
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30/03/2021 11:02:36 4 0
bbc
Don't be riddiculous. Yes people should get vaccinated. No people should not be pursecuted.
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30/03/2021 10:21:37 3 10
bbc
Canada are suggesting the data they have seen is 1 in 100,000 could suffer regarding this particular side effect, that means the risks outweigh the benefits for that age group, it makes sense to investigate further. AstraZeneca is renaming the vaccine to Vaxzervia to try and distance itself from the various negative press reports. There was us thinking it wasn't about PR and money.
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30/03/2021 11:03:12 3 0
bbc
So now you’re telling us this Canadian data suggests 1 in 100,000 could suffer these rare blood clots. That equates to a 0.001% chance of someone developing them.

If we all worried about actions we take involving a 0.001% chance of serious injury or illness, we’d never cross the road, would we? We probably wouldn’t leave the house to start with, ever.
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30/03/2021 14:51:22 0 1
bbc
For my age group the risk from covid is lower than the risk from the jab.
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 11:05:14 9 3
bbc
I don't think for a moment that you are an "antivaxxer". However as one who also values individual freedom, society has to take precedence over individuals in this pandemic. I hope you will change your mind, bearing in mind that with the rights of individual choices come responsibilities.
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30/03/2021 09:18:28 140 2
bbc
I can see why the politicians have switched on the caution button. But really the data that is coming out suggests that the vaccines are doing pretty much all we could hope for.
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30/03/2021 11:07:45 78 8
bbc
For the first time in the pandemic I actually think the government has it right. You’re right the data is excellent, but there should be some element of caution with staged reopening without being too slow. I’m feeling really positive about where we are and this is more great news.
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30/03/2021 12:54:33 4 13
bbc
I bet you said that 12 months ago?
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30/03/2021 13:35:48 11 0
bbc
I suspect a large part of the caution is also 'once bitten twice shy'. There's next to no chance they're going to set themselves up for any more failures, whether deliberate or by accident. Caution very much is the watchword and rightly so. We all value a bit of predictability, and with this disease, caution is the only way we can get it.
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31/03/2021 18:30:45 0 0
bbc
Well said.
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30/03/2021 11:08:07 133 39
bbc
Ooh poor little piggy's don't want a vaccination... My arm will hurt... I will feel all sick and nasty for a day... I'm a hobbyist epidemiologist... JUST TAKE THE DAMN THING YOU BIG BABIES!
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30/03/2021 11:14:55 32 150
bbc
Another one that doesn't think outside the box, in every sense of the word including the thing that you sit down in front of every day to listen to your next instructions on how to live your life. Now would one rather be a independent minded pig than a lost sheep who needs not question but follows?
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30/03/2021 12:20:27 9 13
bbc
This is a very tactless comment. Some people have blood clotting issues or are allergic to many things, so a sore arm will be the least of their worries. Also we can look forward to rounds and rounds of vaccinations, that may only last months at a time. This is great news that there are so many being vaccinated and thank you to everyone who is, but some people may feel they can't have it.
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30/03/2021 13:02:48 2 8
bbc
Says the baby crying about covid.

Stop being scared you tiny, shouty baby!
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30/03/2021 18:44:39 5 1
bbc
Why do you need to name-call other posters? Whilst I agree with your sentiments, I find it disheartening to see such comments directed at other people.
445
31/03/2021 07:19:01 2 1
bbc
So you want people who are severely allergic to vaccines to die?

Shame on you.

And please don't shout. Empty vessels make most noise.
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31/03/2021 08:54:50 0 2
bbc
Make me
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jez
31/03/2021 19:59:24 0 0
bbc
You could have this conversation with the NHS workers that were given Pandermix for Swine flu back in 2009, if you can find one that can stay awake long enough to listen due to their onset of narcolepsy.....
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30/03/2021 10:41:52 10 60
bbc
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, I know 2 people who have had their jabs BUT both now have contracted Covid last week and it's still hit them hard
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30/03/2021 11:08:19 20 2
bbc
But at least they aren't dead....
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30/03/2021 22:12:37 3 8
bbc
Even before vaccination 99% of us didn’t die
51
30/03/2021 11:08:35 7 15
bbc
And they casually come up with this new found evidence just as they the governement need the reluctant and skeptical under 50's, BAME community etc... to take up the call of the vaccine. Amazing isn't it how you can connect the dots when it comes to knowing what is going to come out of the government propaganda machine.
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30/03/2021 11:12:05 11 4
bbc
It’s not for a change government propaganda. It’s based of real time study.
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30/03/2021 11:12:55 4 1
bbc
Do you know where I can find a tutorial for making a tin foil hat?
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30/03/2021 11:13:57 9 1
bbc
Foiled again, is that reference to the style of hat you prefer to wear?
Get a grip for goodness sake!
It's called research and evolving evidence. Now millions of people have been vaccinated around the world of course new conclusions will come to light.
Sheesh, some people
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30/03/2021 10:41:52 10 60
bbc
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, I know 2 people who have had their jabs BUT both now have contracted Covid last week and it's still hit them hard
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sb
30/03/2021 11:02:52 36 2
bbc
that's probably because vaccines zero protection for the first 12 days, it takes at least 3 weeks for an antibody response to occur
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30/03/2021 10:39:02 2 15
bbc
All this SCIENCE but the best answer we are given is probably. Wow and you wander why some people won't be vaccinated....they have read too many wishy washy statements like this
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sb
30/03/2021 11:07:24 4 0
bbc
This comment is as uneducated as it is ungrateful.
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30/03/2021 11:11:35 7 15
bbc
If this is true then time to open up society. Personal responsibility should be the mantra of the government.

People are aware of the risks, let them decide.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:17:28 16 4
bbc
But their behaviour doesn't only affect them. Personal responsibility doesn't work in a situation like this.
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30/03/2021 11:42:08 2 0
bbc
Because we saw how well 'personal responsibility' worked, eh?
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30/03/2021 11:45:21 4 0
bbc
Unfortunately some people are behaving irresponsibly. Look at Nottingham or the M6 rave. As soon as you give them a yard they take a mile and they are increasing the risk to others who be behave with restraint.
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30/03/2021 12:25:17 1 2
bbc
I'd rather the safety of everyone was not dependent on the risk assessment abilities of anti vaxxers
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30/03/2021 10:50:04 8 22
bbc
anyone who does not get vaccinated, if they fall ill take there credit card details and charge them for NHS patient Access and after care, then have them isolate for 3 months.
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30/03/2021 11:12:04 4 3
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
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30/03/2021 11:08:35 7 15
bbc
And they casually come up with this new found evidence just as they the governement need the reluctant and skeptical under 50's, BAME community etc... to take up the call of the vaccine. Amazing isn't it how you can connect the dots when it comes to knowing what is going to come out of the government propaganda machine.
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30/03/2021 11:12:05 11 4
bbc
It’s not for a change government propaganda. It’s based of real time study.
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30/03/2021 11:12:26 10 9
bbc
There are a lot of Expert opinions proffered, far too many in my opinion.

I hope there is a study of all the SAGE scientists statements and see how many were proved accurate or how many were way off the mark....and PUBLISH the results
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30/03/2021 11:20:12 7 18
bbc
Exactly and when do we get the official seal of wisdom from behavourial pyschologists from SAGE lurking in the background, commenting on the mental state of young people and others that has declined since lockdowns started back in 2020. All we seem to see is the data coming from the Whitty/Valance camp. How about seeing more information and points of view from the others on national television?
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30/03/2021 11:29:17 3 5
bbc
That’s a great idea. I think there is some psychological principle that rewards making negative predictions. If your prediction doesn’t come true, no one remembers because they are happy there was a good outcome, but if your prediction does come true, you look clever!

I would love to see a proper study of experts predictions and how accurate they were when this is over.
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30/03/2021 11:40:23 3 4
bbc
Dear me what a boorish response. The minutes of Sage are not available to the public so there was a lot of filtering/reinterpretation by the government (non-scientists). If a scientist says there is 'no evidence' it just means ONLY that- it does not mean there is no relationship e.g. when they said there was no evidence masks lowered transmission this was used by government to protect PPE stocks
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30/03/2021 13:46:07 0 1
bbc
Just put all your trust in SAGE and it will all be over in 3-6 weeks
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30/03/2021 11:08:35 7 15
bbc
And they casually come up with this new found evidence just as they the governement need the reluctant and skeptical under 50's, BAME community etc... to take up the call of the vaccine. Amazing isn't it how you can connect the dots when it comes to knowing what is going to come out of the government propaganda machine.
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30/03/2021 11:12:55 4 1
bbc
Do you know where I can find a tutorial for making a tin foil hat?
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 11:13:56 3 2
bbc
Your risk and you are welcome to it. Suppose you cross the road without looking.
Good luck.
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30/03/2021 11:08:35 7 15
bbc
And they casually come up with this new found evidence just as they the governement need the reluctant and skeptical under 50's, BAME community etc... to take up the call of the vaccine. Amazing isn't it how you can connect the dots when it comes to knowing what is going to come out of the government propaganda machine.
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30/03/2021 11:13:57 9 1
bbc
Foiled again, is that reference to the style of hat you prefer to wear?
Get a grip for goodness sake!
It's called research and evolving evidence. Now millions of people have been vaccinated around the world of course new conclusions will come to light.
Sheesh, some people
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30/03/2021 11:26:41 1 3
bbc
I listen to other science as well, unlike some people that choose listen to every single bit of information that comes from the government SAGE and do not question it? Do you realise there are grey in between the blacks and whites, or are you blind to it? Maybe all you namecallers should question more in your life , and not take everything as you assume it to be, with your trigger happy comments.
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30/03/2021 11:08:07 133 39
bbc
Ooh poor little piggy's don't want a vaccination... My arm will hurt... I will feel all sick and nasty for a day... I'm a hobbyist epidemiologist... JUST TAKE THE DAMN THING YOU BIG BABIES!
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30/03/2021 11:14:55 32 150
bbc
Another one that doesn't think outside the box, in every sense of the word including the thing that you sit down in front of every day to listen to your next instructions on how to live your life. Now would one rather be a independent minded pig than a lost sheep who needs not question but follows?
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ren
30/03/2021 11:19:08 53 8
bbc
Thinking outside the box is not just believing every conspiracy theory krank you find on the internet...
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30/03/2021 11:34:57 46 6
bbc
I'd rather be a live sheep than a dead pig.
I didn't have the vaccine because I was told to.
I chose to to protect myself and those around me and also to ensure that I didn't potentially kill someone else.
88
30/03/2021 11:40:45 19 5
bbc
Better to be a live sheep than a dead lion...
116
30/03/2021 12:17:41 29 6
bbc
It's the 'independent-minded pigs' who have exacerbated and prolonged this crisis. As some point you need to trust the people whose job it is to know more than most about their subject.
150
30/03/2021 13:03:02 6 0
bbc
I never wrestle with a pig, independent minded or not, you both get covered in muck but only the pig enjoys it. Back in your sty, there's a good piggy..
427
31/03/2021 02:46:48 2 0
bbc
Natural selection in action. Follow independent-minded Homo Erectus along the rocky path to evolutionary extinction.
454
31/03/2021 07:41:57 3 0
bbc
Your handle should be 'Tin Foiled Again'.
470
31/03/2021 08:13:38 3 0
bbc
questioning is always good, but when the answer to the question from EVERY qualified source is the same i.e. "it's safe" then I stop questioning and do the right thing.
62
30/03/2021 11:15:46 8 18
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
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30/03/2021 11:21:17 12 6
bbc
Agree but the issue is vaccine is not 100% effective. So the vulnerable are still vulnerable, those of them that catch it will still die, but in less numbers. time for personal responsibility.
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aa
30/03/2021 11:32:43 9 1
bbc
1) Being vaccinated doesn't equal 100% protection. There is still a risk, albeit significantly lower.
2) Due to medical reasons not everyone can take the vaccine, so people who choose not to take the vaccine may transmit it to people who can't.
3) The more the virus spreads the more likely a variant will appear that the vaccines don't protect against.
No maths to do, just faulty logic to spot.
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30/03/2021 11:32:26 7 2
bbc
Meanwhile the virus mutates amongst the vulnerable, unvaccinated, pool of people. Therefore preventing herd immunity, or, protection for anyone....
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30/03/2021 11:41:11 10 1
bbc
If you end up in hospital, using limited resources and exhausted nurses/doctors, it stops being just "your liability".
Many vulnerable people can't get vaccinated and if the virus keeps spreading we risk further mutations, not covered by existing vaccines.

So, unfortunately no, it's not just your liability. We live in an organised society, we do have liability towards others as well.
107
30/03/2021 12:04:41 3 3
bbc
Following your logic, the majority of unvaccinated people have very strong immune systems. You're winding us up aren't you?
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30/03/2021 11:11:35 7 15
bbc
If this is true then time to open up society. Personal responsibility should be the mantra of the government.

People are aware of the risks, let them decide.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:17:28 16 4
bbc
But their behaviour doesn't only affect them. Personal responsibility doesn't work in a situation like this.
70
30/03/2021 11:23:12 2 3
bbc
Personal responsibility has got us to where we are. We need to manage covid, we will not eliminate it.
26
30/03/2021 10:39:02 2 15
bbc
All this SCIENCE but the best answer we are given is probably. Wow and you wander why some people won't be vaccinated....they have read too many wishy washy statements like this
64
30/03/2021 11:18:28 4 0
bbc
What exactly do you find wishy washy? Please tell and I'll try and make it simpler for you
61
30/03/2021 11:14:55 32 150
bbc
Another one that doesn't think outside the box, in every sense of the word including the thing that you sit down in front of every day to listen to your next instructions on how to live your life. Now would one rather be a independent minded pig than a lost sheep who needs not question but follows?
65
ren
30/03/2021 11:19:08 53 8
bbc
Thinking outside the box is not just believing every conspiracy theory krank you find on the internet...
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30/03/2021 11:31:32 7 31
bbc
Be careful with your presumptious trigger happy comments that have no founded basis for truth. I dont read conspiracy theories on the internet, only articles that have basis of research from experts that questions what what the goverment are doing. Would you call experts like Carl Henghan or Sunetra Gupta from Oxford University feeders to conspiracy theories? They are an example of my point.
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30/03/2021 11:12:26 10 9
bbc
There are a lot of Expert opinions proffered, far too many in my opinion.

I hope there is a study of all the SAGE scientists statements and see how many were proved accurate or how many were way off the mark....and PUBLISH the results
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30/03/2021 11:20:12 7 18
bbc
Exactly and when do we get the official seal of wisdom from behavourial pyschologists from SAGE lurking in the background, commenting on the mental state of young people and others that has declined since lockdowns started back in 2020. All we seem to see is the data coming from the Whitty/Valance camp. How about seeing more information and points of view from the others on national television?
115
30/03/2021 12:17:25 3 6
bbc
i have no wish to add to the profits of the testing & tracing or not program; people with vested interests in big pharma coercing me till I am ready to shout, i give in, never, in this instance. big pharma, big government, same thing, different words & same kinda people, out for profits, who cares about efficacy or common sense ways of dealing with virus when vast profits are being generated
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30/03/2021 11:15:46 8 18
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
67
30/03/2021 11:21:17 12 6
bbc
Agree but the issue is vaccine is not 100% effective. So the vulnerable are still vulnerable, those of them that catch it will still die, but in less numbers. time for personal responsibility.
114
30/03/2021 12:16:47 0 1
bbc
If the vulnerable are vaccinated, they are still vulnerable, but far less so and should not need to be hospitalized, let alone die.
30
30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 11:22:16 9 1
bbc
No, it just has them screaming "idiot"!

Why do people who refuse the jab think they're the ones who have made a free choice whereas they think those of us who have chosen to have it are just thoughtlessly following the herd? Being in a minority does not always make you right!
229
30/03/2021 14:36:49 0 0
bbc
Forcing your choice onto others does not always make you right
30
30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:22:28 5 1
bbc
...don't have any elderly parents, don't interact with elderly people...
With enough people with this attitude it's surprising we're not still treating polio and smallpox!
230
30/03/2021 14:37:30 0 0
bbc
Polio and smallpox are nothing like covid
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ren
30/03/2021 11:17:28 16 4
bbc
But their behaviour doesn't only affect them. Personal responsibility doesn't work in a situation like this.
70
30/03/2021 11:23:12 2 3
bbc
Personal responsibility has got us to where we are. We need to manage covid, we will not eliminate it.
41
30/03/2021 10:59:50 2 5
bbc
Lol, nice one people - you've just made my point! :)
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ren
30/03/2021 11:23:20 5 1
bbc
And you've just proved my ideas about the smugness of antivaxxers!
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30/03/2021 10:19:40 12 3
bbc
So that's 155 with Covid deaths and 40 without who may not be measuring Covid as carefully as others ... vaccines work else your kind might have died from measles or be disabled by polio.
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30/03/2021 11:23:45 2 0
bbc
Can we totally rely on the transparency of the data from those 40 countries? Science says being vaccinated does protect those around us. I've said this before on HYS, that vaccination is the ONLY way out of this pandemic. The more of us who are vaccinated, the more protected we are as a country. Please get a jab and help our NHS get back to a "normal" workload.
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30/03/2021 10:45:59 41 138
bbc
When the article can be written without the liberal use of words such as "probably", "most likely", "might", "suggests", "appeared to", "seems to be" and "may" then it will be of more use. All I see above is fluff!! Let's see what happens when we are fully out of lockdown...fingers crossed that the apparent good news continues.
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30/03/2021 11:24:41 60 4
bbc
In science we perform experiments to examine a hypothesis (question). Complied results are rarely binary (yes/no) so we perform statistical analysis to see if we have enough evidence. In the article stats have been turned into simple language so the non-scientific can understand what is being said - hence the fluffy BBC language - rather than means, standard deviations, confidence intervals etc.
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30/03/2021 13:36:05 8 20
bbc
In science we perform testing of experimental drugs before we deem them "safe" to roll out to the mass public. We certainly don't skip animal testing on methods that have previously failed catastrophically in phase 3 testing.
624
31/03/2021 16:11:49 0 0
bbc
Are you trying imply that people are stupid?
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MVP
30/03/2021 09:49:09 42 5
bbc
I am more interested in what the scientists are saying rather than what the government says.

And the two are not necessarily the same.
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30/03/2021 11:25:37 1 3
bbc
I don't pay any attention to politicians - not in general and certainly not in relation to matters of science.
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30/03/2021 11:13:57 9 1
bbc
Foiled again, is that reference to the style of hat you prefer to wear?
Get a grip for goodness sake!
It's called research and evolving evidence. Now millions of people have been vaccinated around the world of course new conclusions will come to light.
Sheesh, some people
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30/03/2021 11:26:41 1 3
bbc
I listen to other science as well, unlike some people that choose listen to every single bit of information that comes from the government SAGE and do not question it? Do you realise there are grey in between the blacks and whites, or are you blind to it? Maybe all you namecallers should question more in your life , and not take everything as you assume it to be, with your trigger happy comments.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:52:37 3 0
bbc
Pot calling kettle black...
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30/03/2021 10:46:45 67 9
bbc
It's another example of good news being suppressed, whereas the opposite situation (if it didn't prevent serious illness) would get much more airtime. Is it government caution or the media preferring doom and gloom headlines? Probably a bit of both, but I'd like to see greater coverage of reassuring findings like this.
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Mup
30/03/2021 11:26:41 21 18
bbc
The negative bias is ironic given the BBC's remit to be 'balanced'....
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31/03/2021 08:30:20 0 2
bbc
lefties hate the Country to do well as we have a Tory Government. Same goes in reverse when we have a Labour one, if anyone can remember that far back, and boy did they have a lot of bad news.
77
30/03/2021 11:27:17 9 11
bbc
Everyone should get the vaccine when offered it. They shouldn't let their racism or fears get in the way.
185
30/03/2021 13:43:58 2 2
bbc
So your fear of covid is ok but my desire to live until I die is wrong?
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30/03/2021 11:12:26 10 9
bbc
There are a lot of Expert opinions proffered, far too many in my opinion.

I hope there is a study of all the SAGE scientists statements and see how many were proved accurate or how many were way off the mark....and PUBLISH the results
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30/03/2021 11:29:17 3 5
bbc
That’s a great idea. I think there is some psychological principle that rewards making negative predictions. If your prediction doesn’t come true, no one remembers because they are happy there was a good outcome, but if your prediction does come true, you look clever!

I would love to see a proper study of experts predictions and how accurate they were when this is over.
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30/03/2021 11:02:07 11 17
bbc
We have vaccinated the most vulnerable and elderly - why are things not opening up faster? If other people get it, it will either be mild, or they won't even know for the majority of people. Death rates are below the average for this time of year; folks who died of covid in Jan / Feb died a couple of months earlier than they would have done anyway. All perspective has been completely lost.
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30/03/2021 11:30:11 9 2
bbc
No perspective has been lost. Because it takes up to four weeks for the vaccine to have real effect! Also a lot of people are unvaccinated and we could run the risk of creating more variants. All life is precious. Small steps will be more likely to bring long term freedom rather then last year when we locked down to late and opened up to early.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:19:08 53 8
bbc
Thinking outside the box is not just believing every conspiracy theory krank you find on the internet...
80
30/03/2021 11:31:32 7 31
bbc
Be careful with your presumptious trigger happy comments that have no founded basis for truth. I dont read conspiracy theories on the internet, only articles that have basis of research from experts that questions what what the goverment are doing. Would you call experts like Carl Henghan or Sunetra Gupta from Oxford University feeders to conspiracy theories? They are an example of my point.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:46:52 18 0
bbc
And they're suggesting you avoid getting vaccinated?
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30/03/2021 11:59:02 27 1
bbc
You should be looking at several experts opinions, then gather the overall majority.
It would be rather presumptious to look for a specific viewpoint and follow that theory just because it sits with your own opinion ...... we can all do that.
448
31/03/2021 07:28:33 1 0
bbc
Carl Henghan? Who he?

Heneghan is the Oxford chappie.

Also, if that's how you judge 'quality', you need to recall that Andrew Wakefield was also a physician and academic.
472
31/03/2021 08:14:29 1 0
bbc
please do link us to those articles, I would be interested.
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30/03/2021 10:39:37 4 9
bbc
Lesser of two evils? Over 99% of people recover from Covid. 99% of my friends who had the vaccine have had side effects, some ending in hospitalisation so I'll use that basis for judgement
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30/03/2021 11:31:54 3 0
bbc
Really? Hospitalisations? I had no side effects at all and neither did most people I know. And if 99% of your friends had side effects then you must have at least 100 friends. Lucky you!
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30/03/2021 10:41:52 10 60
bbc
I wouldn't get too excited just yet, I know 2 people who have had their jabs BUT both now have contracted Covid last week and it's still hit them hard
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30/03/2021 11:32:23 30 3
bbc
No vaccine is 100% effective as some rare individuals will fail to produce an immune response. This is the reason we all have to have the vaccine to help protect those individuals. Also is it possible your 'friends' (are they real friends or just contacts through face book?) may have contracted Covid by relaxing their guard before fully protected. You need both jabs and at least 3-4 weeks
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30/03/2021 17:19:41 16 1
bbc
One of them could be her sister's husband's brother's cousins next-door-neighbour, or as you suggest some random person who has friended her on social media who is in reality an anti-vaxxer who has just made it up.
Or as others have suggested, developed it before the immunity had built up.
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30/03/2021 11:15:46 8 18
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
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aa
30/03/2021 11:32:43 9 1
bbc
1) Being vaccinated doesn't equal 100% protection. There is still a risk, albeit significantly lower.
2) Due to medical reasons not everyone can take the vaccine, so people who choose not to take the vaccine may transmit it to people who can't.
3) The more the virus spreads the more likely a variant will appear that the vaccines don't protect against.
No maths to do, just faulty logic to spot.
91
30/03/2021 11:42:50 2 6
bbc
Where did you copy and paste that information as its all speculation from scientists that the government chooses to listen to!
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30/03/2021 11:14:55 32 150
bbc
Another one that doesn't think outside the box, in every sense of the word including the thing that you sit down in front of every day to listen to your next instructions on how to live your life. Now would one rather be a independent minded pig than a lost sheep who needs not question but follows?
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30/03/2021 11:34:57 46 6
bbc
I'd rather be a live sheep than a dead pig.
I didn't have the vaccine because I was told to.
I chose to to protect myself and those around me and also to ensure that I didn't potentially kill someone else.
85
30/03/2021 11:30:23 7 3
bbc
"Once someone has had an infection, antibodies help your body to be ready if it encounters it again." says BBC. They do, but, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "the immune system produces antibodies in response to a viral infection"?

Once the infection has been dealt with, the antibodies are no longer required. If the body is attacked again, the immune system produces new antibodies?
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30/03/2021 11:46:43 16 1
bbc
Yes and no, antibodies hang around for a while but they can also be made again because of the memory cells, so the immune system produces them in response to the viral infection as you say.
62
30/03/2021 11:15:46 8 18
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
86
30/03/2021 11:32:26 7 2
bbc
Meanwhile the virus mutates amongst the vulnerable, unvaccinated, pool of people. Therefore preventing herd immunity, or, protection for anyone....
57
30/03/2021 11:12:26 10 9
bbc
There are a lot of Expert opinions proffered, far too many in my opinion.

I hope there is a study of all the SAGE scientists statements and see how many were proved accurate or how many were way off the mark....and PUBLISH the results
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30/03/2021 11:40:23 3 4
bbc
Dear me what a boorish response. The minutes of Sage are not available to the public so there was a lot of filtering/reinterpretation by the government (non-scientists). If a scientist says there is 'no evidence' it just means ONLY that- it does not mean there is no relationship e.g. when they said there was no evidence masks lowered transmission this was used by government to protect PPE stocks
521
31/03/2021 09:24:04 0 0
bbc
so in your government bashing you suggest that a scientist saying "there's no evidence face masks are effective" means the Government should instantly introduce compulsory mask wearing? A very strange logic.
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30/03/2021 11:14:55 32 150
bbc
Another one that doesn't think outside the box, in every sense of the word including the thing that you sit down in front of every day to listen to your next instructions on how to live your life. Now would one rather be a independent minded pig than a lost sheep who needs not question but follows?
88
30/03/2021 11:40:45 19 5
bbc
Better to be a live sheep than a dead lion...
140
30/03/2021 12:41:57 9 6
bbc
The sheep live in constant fear of the wolf, yet it is the shepherd that sends them to their deaths.
62
30/03/2021 11:15:46 8 18
bbc
Here's the logic,if the vunerable are vaccinated they are protected regardless whether they are transmit or not, and so too are the rest of the vaccinated. So if the unvaccinated (majority of people with very strong immune systems) catch it its their liability, if they spread it, it wont affect the vaccinated now would it? Do the maths and you'll see. Anyway herd immunity is achieved either way.
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30/03/2021 11:41:11 10 1
bbc
If you end up in hospital, using limited resources and exhausted nurses/doctors, it stops being just "your liability".
Many vulnerable people can't get vaccinated and if the virus keeps spreading we risk further mutations, not covered by existing vaccines.

So, unfortunately no, it's not just your liability. We live in an organised society, we do have liability towards others as well.
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30/03/2021 13:21:51 0 1
bbc
The NHS was limited back in October 2019 and all the previous years due to cuts,what about the amount of patients dying from cancer, leukemia, etc...I know personally two people that died from cancer due to not being able to receive the treatment when they needed it? Thousands of young people suffering from mental health issues, yet we hear no words of comfort from the SAGE pyschologists. Strange?
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30/03/2021 11:11:35 7 15
bbc
If this is true then time to open up society. Personal responsibility should be the mantra of the government.

People are aware of the risks, let them decide.
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30/03/2021 11:42:08 2 0
bbc
Because we saw how well 'personal responsibility' worked, eh?
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aa
30/03/2021 11:32:43 9 1
bbc
1) Being vaccinated doesn't equal 100% protection. There is still a risk, albeit significantly lower.
2) Due to medical reasons not everyone can take the vaccine, so people who choose not to take the vaccine may transmit it to people who can't.
3) The more the virus spreads the more likely a variant will appear that the vaccines don't protect against.
No maths to do, just faulty logic to spot.
91
30/03/2021 11:42:50 2 6
bbc
Where did you copy and paste that information as its all speculation from scientists that the government chooses to listen to!
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ren
30/03/2021 11:49:11 3 1
bbc
Which bit do you disagree with?
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aa
30/03/2021 11:56:24 4 1
bbc
It may surprise you to learn that some people are perfectly capable of articulating their own thoughts without resorting to copy and pasting. If you disagree with any of my points feel free to make counter arguments.
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30/03/2021 11:01:54 4 2
bbc
Stating that you are anti-vaccination because you don't want to be vaccinated. You do know that that is the very definition of a person that is anti vaccination don't you. What point are you trying to make? I'm not saying that you are right or wrong. But you have openly admitted to being anti-vaccination.
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30/03/2021 11:43:41 2 4
bbc
I'm not anti-vaccination, I think they're great tools to have in our arsenal to be used against disease, but I personally will not be taking it because : 1. I've already had Covid, so my antibodies kicked in (so no need to double-up with a jab), and 2. I keep myself to myself, so I'm no danger to the public. If I were a more sociable person, I'd probably make a different call.
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30/03/2021 21:44:50 0 0
bbc
logic not a strong point then ? Your statement 1 demonstrates that your statement 2 cannot be true.
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30/03/2021 11:11:35 7 15
bbc
If this is true then time to open up society. Personal responsibility should be the mantra of the government.

People are aware of the risks, let them decide.
93
30/03/2021 11:45:21 4 0
bbc
Unfortunately some people are behaving irresponsibly. Look at Nottingham or the M6 rave. As soon as you give them a yard they take a mile and they are increasing the risk to others who be behave with restraint.
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30/03/2021 10:45:29 9 31
bbc
I won't be getting jabbed unless I absolutely need to. I'm careful about my interactions with people, mask up, keep away from crowds, but the notion that I've made my own decision as a free individual to refrain from being vaccinated against an ever-changing virus has ppl screaming "AntiVaxxer!" in true Pavlovian style.
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30/03/2021 11:46:04 4 1
bbc
Of course it is your choice but please consider that your choice may affect someone else. Not all individuals will get full immunity from the jab and also some people have genuine reasons they cannot be vaccinated e.g. pregnant women - if you become infected you may spread the virus to these individuals which could lead to long term illness (long covid) or even death.
85
30/03/2021 11:30:23 7 3
bbc
"Once someone has had an infection, antibodies help your body to be ready if it encounters it again." says BBC. They do, but, wouldn't it be more accurate to say "the immune system produces antibodies in response to a viral infection"?

Once the infection has been dealt with, the antibodies are no longer required. If the body is attacked again, the immune system produces new antibodies?
95
30/03/2021 11:46:43 16 1
bbc
Yes and no, antibodies hang around for a while but they can also be made again because of the memory cells, so the immune system produces them in response to the viral infection as you say.
80
30/03/2021 11:31:32 7 31
bbc
Be careful with your presumptious trigger happy comments that have no founded basis for truth. I dont read conspiracy theories on the internet, only articles that have basis of research from experts that questions what what the goverment are doing. Would you call experts like Carl Henghan or Sunetra Gupta from Oxford University feeders to conspiracy theories? They are an example of my point.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:46:52 18 0
bbc
And they're suggesting you avoid getting vaccinated?
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30/03/2021 11:37:56 49 4
bbc
The case numbers in Israel have been falling again over the last few weeks (since a peak on 2nd March), which would appear to coincide with the fact that they are rolling out 2nd jabs more quickly than any other country. This is the first major indication not only deaths/serious illness are prevented, but, transmission too. Very promising for UK if people get vaccinated.
israel is not a country at the top of my list when it comes to health, wealth or wisdom; they are a people whose experience of holocaust ensures they will never be able to get rid of that from their psyche, so will continue to deliver their unjust treatment to the people of diverse ethnicity; JC was lambasted for his views & this post will definitely be removed but hey, who said it was fair Removed
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30/03/2021 11:42:50 2 6
bbc
Where did you copy and paste that information as its all speculation from scientists that the government chooses to listen to!
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ren
30/03/2021 11:49:11 3 1
bbc
Which bit do you disagree with?
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30/03/2021 13:16:04 1 0
bbc
All of it as its only regurgitating what SAGE and other government scientists believe, how about the government taking on board what the broader spectrum of scientists have to say as Ive mentioned before the well respected Carl Heneghan and Sunetra Gupta?
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30/03/2021 10:26:50 119 22
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My taxi driver yesterday said he'll never get the vaccine as it was a ploy to get us all tagged. I should have refused to pay my fare...
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30/03/2021 11:51:39 23 104
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It is, digital identification (using the excuse of vaccine passports). With cases falling off a cliff, over 1/2 the population vaccinated why else would they be continuing to push for for v-passports, especially after the farce that was the trace and trace app.
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30/03/2021 12:24:25 28 2
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the only digital identification being used, is through our phones and tablets, the car computers and reg numbers, and the shopping we have linked to store discount cards. They don't need to inject us personally, For what purpose, they would be very bored following me around all day lol.
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30/03/2021 12:55:32 17 1
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The taxi driver doesn't have a smartphone then? AND, 'they' already know who has been, and (using maths) who has not been vaccinated.
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RPH
30/03/2021 22:20:48 7 0
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Your posts don't suggest a world-beating education or intelligence, so you are not really likely to be a threat. So, just curious, why would the government or any organisation, want to track you? Or me?
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30/03/2021 22:27:33 8 4
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I assume you have a mobile phone. If so then you're tracked wherever you go anyway. People who refuse the vaccine should not be allowed to travel, or enter crowded places - that's the point of vaccination passports - to protect us from the idiots.
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31/03/2021 07:11:11 2 1
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Trace and trace? Test and trace.

1/2 the population vaccinated? 30 million have had at least one jab (28 Mar) . UK population 67million plus however many illegals.

Cases falling off a cliff? Declining, yes, but not precipitately.

As you are so careless with facts, I doubt your reasoning is any more reliable.
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LH
31/03/2021 14:21:38 2 0
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Oh dear! Vaccine 'passports' have been around for LONG time, viz. Yellow fever, Malaria, Typhoid, Cholera, etc.!!!
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30/03/2021 11:26:41 1 3
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I listen to other science as well, unlike some people that choose listen to every single bit of information that comes from the government SAGE and do not question it? Do you realise there are grey in between the blacks and whites, or are you blind to it? Maybe all you namecallers should question more in your life , and not take everything as you assume it to be, with your trigger happy comments.
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ren
30/03/2021 11:52:37 3 0
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Pot calling kettle black...