Covid: Health security body gives UK 'protective shield'
24/03/2021 | news | health | 162
The UK Health Security Agency launches next week, aiming to protect the nation from future pandemics.
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24/03/2021 13:18:43 28 3
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Watched the BBC piece this morning on UKs genomic operations - global lead on vital aspect in the fight. Very impressive work indeed. Cost a few bob but worth the investment. Well done all.
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24/03/2021 15:35:10 14 15
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Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
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24/03/2021 13:20:47 4 1
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eliminating duplications and improving coordination certainly welcomed. we hope the costs of this institutional infrastructure will also decrease
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MVP
24/03/2021 13:22:37 4 5
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When the public inquiry into the mismanagement of the COVID crisis is complete, the UK government will need more than a "protective shield"
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24/03/2021 13:40:08 2 5
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I would rather they put their energies and resources into managing the current crisis properly NOW than enter into a protracted public inquiry, which could last eons.
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24/03/2021 18:16:19 0 0
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Those responsible will be well gone by then. At least 5 years before any inquiry to be published, we need journo's with a backbone to dig out the dirt and publish it in the next 12 months. Unlikely though.
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24/03/2021 13:23:34 25 8
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Folk will complain that this wasn't done before & so the UK was unprepared as a result. But hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.
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24/03/2021 15:07:40 15 5
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I agree with a lot of your post Chris however other countries have done phenomenally well by comparison given they don't have the same financial clout that the UK has. Austerity without a doubt is a significant contributory factor to the position we're now in.
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24/03/2021 15:35:37 1 1
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Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
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24/03/2021 18:08:09 0 0
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Exactly, how much are the major countries spending and preparing for that giant asteroid that is going to hit us one day?
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24/03/2021 19:36:46 2 0
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The main measures were old as he hills and well known. Simple border controls and locked up secure quarantine. Charged to the travellers. Then the minimal test and trace available would have been able to keep on top of it and only local lockdowns if any. Money was not the issue it was lack of a spine to do 'unpopular' obvious actions hard and fairly to all. With zero excuses or delays to rules.
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24/03/2021 13:28:02 5 2
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Interesting that it's said that part of the original problem lay with Govt not having direct control and that due to changes introduced by the Cameron/Clegg coalition that handed control to Trusts and MDs. An inquiry will presumably establish that in which case Covid preparedness may fall other than at Govts doorstep. An interesting turnround. This sounds just the ticket - a unified approach.
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MVP
24/03/2021 13:30:32 4 4
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Interesting that the government is calling the new quango the Health Security Agency. Or HSA

In the US, HSA is Health Savings Account which people need to pay into to receive healthcare.

Is this yet another sign of the government's plan to privatise the NHS?
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24/03/2021 13:42:50 4 3
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Most probably.
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24/03/2021 13:35:18 3 2
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Bit of a kneejerk creation to be fair. The next pandemic of any significance could be decades away or even for a minor problem like swine flu back in 2009, over a decade ago. Not to mention that bioterrorism will never materialise so... Question is:

Can a public body just sit there basically doing nothing for 10 years and justify its existence? It'll be gone by the 2028 general election, I think.
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24/03/2021 13:38:55 2 0
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Good point but maybe they will be more proactive in the current pandemic, which is hardly over?
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24/03/2021 14:40:46 0 0
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Well the EU Commission seems to have done quite well at it.
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24/03/2021 13:35:18 3 2
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Bit of a kneejerk creation to be fair. The next pandemic of any significance could be decades away or even for a minor problem like swine flu back in 2009, over a decade ago. Not to mention that bioterrorism will never materialise so... Question is:

Can a public body just sit there basically doing nothing for 10 years and justify its existence? It'll be gone by the 2028 general election, I think.
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24/03/2021 13:38:55 2 0
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Good point but maybe they will be more proactive in the current pandemic, which is hardly over?
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24/03/2021 13:39:40 3 2
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I support the philosophy of a single body, but wonder if any Gov, any shade, will take the politics out of a health crisis.
In April 2020 when the first political dissenting voices were heard I prayed to my deity that it didn't become political - prayer unanswered.
Follow the science is not the same as allow the scientists to lead, see Iceland for confirmation.
At least part lesson learned.
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24/03/2021 14:06:01 0 0
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People of Tanna in Vanuatu, prayed to their deity...Prince Philip.
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24/03/2021 18:25:39 0 0
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The leader of Tanzania (Mr Magufuli) was one of Africa's most prominent coronavirus sceptics, and called for prayers and herbal-infused steam therapy to counter the virus.

He died 6 days ago from Covid. Feel sorry for him, but, it is the price one pays for disbelieving the science.
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MVP
24/03/2021 13:22:37 4 5
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When the public inquiry into the mismanagement of the COVID crisis is complete, the UK government will need more than a "protective shield"
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24/03/2021 13:40:08 2 5
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I would rather they put their energies and resources into managing the current crisis properly NOW than enter into a protracted public inquiry, which could last eons.
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24/03/2021 15:50:54 0 0
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Which
g is precisely what t hey are doing
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24/03/2021 13:42:00 6 4
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LOL

Under this lot ?

Another scam.
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24/03/2021 13:42:33 5 4
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Hancock's still trotting out "world leading" rhetoric, omits mention world leading death rate. Were he honourable with a conscience surely would have resigned. Too late to lockdown, too early to open up after first wave, contracts awarded to mates, Eat Out To Help Out super spreader, porous borders, reliance on self-isolation. Unlikely to be a Hancock statue for future generations to pull down.
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24/03/2021 18:20:05 1 0
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You do not understand the difference between 'total deaths' and 'death rate'. Otherwise you would know that the UK has improved from 5th to 8th, and still improving. You should also understand that not all countries are prepared to be open and honest about their death counts - politics is at play; take a look at the expected excess deaths figure for Russia (heading towards 500,000)
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MVP
24/03/2021 13:30:32 4 4
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Interesting that the government is calling the new quango the Health Security Agency. Or HSA

In the US, HSA is Health Savings Account which people need to pay into to receive healthcare.

Is this yet another sign of the government's plan to privatise the NHS?
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24/03/2021 13:42:50 4 3
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Most probably.
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24/03/2021 13:44:17 6 3
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Chris B
. hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.'

Cygnus did - clown ignored.
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24/03/2021 13:58:22 3 4
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If the Government had armed the country to the teeth in preparation for a Pandemic that hadn't materialised, you'd be up in arms wouldn't you? Because its anti-Government bile at any cost for your kind.

So what country in Europe was better prepared and didn't suffer?
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24/03/2021 14:55:44 1 0
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As long as somebody else pays.
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24/03/2021 13:51:02 3 4
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This sounds quite worrying, the Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC) combined with Public Health England (PHE) and NHS Test and Trace.

"Mr Hancock said it would help ensure the UK was better equipped to deal with the next pandemic." That is the cover story for monitoring and total control of the population. Alternatively, Hancock may already know that the next variant or Covid-21 is on the way.
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24/03/2021 14:37:48 1 0
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We all know the next variant is on the way, so nothing new from you.
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24/03/2021 15:13:34 0 0
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A bit worrying, especially since everything seems to be going on-line. 10,000 less troops? S'ok, though, we can out-cyber them. We can't and never could.

As it stands? Very worrying...
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24/03/2021 13:56:04 0 2
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MP's mates rates more donor money to Tory donors ho produce more infections, what is there qualifications on health matters.
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24/03/2021 13:56:41 5 4
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has anyone seen the background checks for Tory contracts ?
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24/03/2021 14:06:39 3 4
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No point. You know they are dodgy. That is the sad state of politics in the 'UK'. Hopefully Wales and NI will join us (Scotland) in rejecting the numptie...
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24/03/2021 14:44:31 0 2
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Yes the National Audit Office found nothing wrong.
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24/03/2021 17:58:43 0 0
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Nope and never will. As for twinbob2's National Audit Office post. LOL.
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24/03/2021 14:01:48 4 3
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"I want everybody at all levels to wake up every day with zeal to plan for the next pandemic."

I can barely be bothered to change my underwear during lockdown, let alone plan for the next pandemic (2031?)
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24/03/2021 14:02:34 6 6
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Either a huge bite out of Human Rights, or another tory faff
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24/03/2021 14:29:33 3 1
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Could be both
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24/03/2021 13:44:17 6 3
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Chris B
. hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.'

Cygnus did - clown ignored.
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24/03/2021 13:58:22 3 4
bbc
If the Government had armed the country to the teeth in preparation for a Pandemic that hadn't materialised, you'd be up in arms wouldn't you? Because its anti-Government bile at any cost for your kind.

So what country in Europe was better prepared and didn't suffer?
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24/03/2021 14:21:37 1 1
bbc
Any country. Better prepared and didn't suffer. You do realise that the UK is almost top of the chart?
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24/03/2021 13:39:40 3 2
bbc
I support the philosophy of a single body, but wonder if any Gov, any shade, will take the politics out of a health crisis.
In April 2020 when the first political dissenting voices were heard I prayed to my deity that it didn't become political - prayer unanswered.
Follow the science is not the same as allow the scientists to lead, see Iceland for confirmation.
At least part lesson learned.
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24/03/2021 14:06:01 0 0
bbc
People of Tanna in Vanuatu, prayed to their deity...Prince Philip.
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24/03/2021 14:15:23 0 0
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.............and nobody died! I shan't change though, don't think that deity will last a few thousand years. :)
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24/03/2021 13:56:41 5 4
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has anyone seen the background checks for Tory contracts ?
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24/03/2021 14:06:39 3 4
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No point. You know they are dodgy. That is the sad state of politics in the 'UK'. Hopefully Wales and NI will join us (Scotland) in rejecting the numptie...
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24/03/2021 19:09:38 0 0
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spot on totally agree
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24/03/2021 14:06:01 0 0
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People of Tanna in Vanuatu, prayed to their deity...Prince Philip.
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24/03/2021 14:15:23 0 0
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.............and nobody died! I shan't change though, don't think that deity will last a few thousand years. :)
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24/03/2021 18:26:59 0 0
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Has your deity only been around for a few thousand years? Didn't create the universe then?
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24/03/2021 14:15:39 16 0
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It's just a pity that following Exercise Cygnus back in 2016 this "zeal" didn't materialise. The warnings were there and ignored as "doing something" would have cost money. As it turns out (in hindsight) doing nothing has cost even more ultimately.

As a country we had the scare of bird-flu and as we got away with that one, ignored planning for what to do if real pandemic hit - now we know better
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25/03/2021 10:50:08 1 1
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World panic no more no less whose going to apologise first nobody !
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24/03/2021 14:16:16 7 4
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Feel really sorry for Hancock. He talks rubbish as he's told to do. Puts on a brave face and kow-tows to what he's been told. Paid politician, though, Bojo? Let's not go down that route...
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24/03/2021 14:43:10 4 8
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He makes considerably more sense than you do.
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24/03/2021 14:53:27 1 1
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No shortage of armchair critics
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24/03/2021 14:18:16 3 4
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Does the Chief Medical Officer or his Deputy have a Duty of Care towards the general population, as a GP does for his patients?
If so, did he fulfill that duty in remaining silent when the PM said it was fine to rub shoulders with half a million strangers at Cheltenham races or go to a rugby match or shake hands with all and sundry at a Covid-19 hospital.
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24/03/2021 14:22:49 5 4
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12 months ago NOBODY understood the fully implications except of course ... YOU
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24/03/2021 14:35:15 2 0
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I've noticed that recently Whitty has been extremely cautious in what he says. He's probably supposed toe the tory line but doesn't quite do that. Expect a new CMO in the next week :-)
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24/03/2021 14:44:23 3 0
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Do all the idiots who failed to follow Covid limitations, went on marches and went to the beach have a duty of care towards general population?
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24/03/2021 14:19:17 4 1
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The implications are this is the first of many pandemics to come ... I can see foreign travel being assigned to history.
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24/03/2021 19:41:33 2 2
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Hopefully, and not a moment before time. All the evidence is this sort of thing is going to be more common directly down to how we behave. Population pressure, higher contact with wild animals and domestic. Bad behaviours of constant fast travel spreading disease at unimaginable speed.

The only people crossing borders should have full locked up quarantine every time. Only enabler of travel.
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24/03/2021 13:58:22 3 4
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If the Government had armed the country to the teeth in preparation for a Pandemic that hadn't materialised, you'd be up in arms wouldn't you? Because its anti-Government bile at any cost for your kind.

So what country in Europe was better prepared and didn't suffer?
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24/03/2021 14:21:37 1 1
bbc
Any country. Better prepared and didn't suffer. You do realise that the UK is almost top of the chart?
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24/03/2021 14:38:49 1 1
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But European countries coming on the rails and overtaking fast.
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24/03/2021 14:18:16 3 4
bbc
Does the Chief Medical Officer or his Deputy have a Duty of Care towards the general population, as a GP does for his patients?
If so, did he fulfill that duty in remaining silent when the PM said it was fine to rub shoulders with half a million strangers at Cheltenham races or go to a rugby match or shake hands with all and sundry at a Covid-19 hospital.
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24/03/2021 14:22:49 5 4
bbc
12 months ago NOBODY understood the fully implications except of course ... YOU
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24/03/2021 14:28:04 14 6
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"UK Health Security Agency will launch on 1 April"

Says it all
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24/03/2021 14:39:03 4 7
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Says what exactly ?
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24/03/2021 14:51:09 1 1
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Would it help if they added 2021?
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24/03/2021 14:52:29 1 7
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Is Captain Hindsight in the room?
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24/03/2021 14:02:34 6 6
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Either a huge bite out of Human Rights, or another tory faff
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24/03/2021 14:29:33 3 1
bbc
Could be both
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24/03/2021 14:18:16 3 4
bbc
Does the Chief Medical Officer or his Deputy have a Duty of Care towards the general population, as a GP does for his patients?
If so, did he fulfill that duty in remaining silent when the PM said it was fine to rub shoulders with half a million strangers at Cheltenham races or go to a rugby match or shake hands with all and sundry at a Covid-19 hospital.
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24/03/2021 14:35:15 2 0
bbc
I've noticed that recently Whitty has been extremely cautious in what he says. He's probably supposed toe the tory line but doesn't quite do that. Expect a new CMO in the next week :-)
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24/03/2021 14:35:37 10 2
bbc
Whatever happened to Boris’ “Bonfire of the Quangos?”

More layers between Boris and accountability?
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24/03/2021 13:51:02 3 4
bbc
This sounds quite worrying, the Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC) combined with Public Health England (PHE) and NHS Test and Trace.

"Mr Hancock said it would help ensure the UK was better equipped to deal with the next pandemic." That is the cover story for monitoring and total control of the population. Alternatively, Hancock may already know that the next variant or Covid-21 is on the way.
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24/03/2021 14:37:48 1 0
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We all know the next variant is on the way, so nothing new from you.
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24/03/2021 18:09:28 0 0
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Is it or are you just wedded to the propaganda?
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24/03/2021 14:21:37 1 1
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Any country. Better prepared and didn't suffer. You do realise that the UK is almost top of the chart?
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24/03/2021 14:38:49 1 1
bbc
But European countries coming on the rails and overtaking fast.
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24/03/2021 14:28:04 14 6
bbc
"UK Health Security Agency will launch on 1 April"

Says it all
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24/03/2021 14:39:03 4 7
bbc
Says what exactly ?
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24/03/2021 14:56:22 9 0
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If you don't know the meaning in the UK of April the 1st, then look it up...
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24/03/2021 15:18:21 4 1
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"Another Sick tory Joke"
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25/03/2021 11:23:00 0 0
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You doubt his scepticism ????
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24/03/2021 13:35:18 3 2
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Bit of a kneejerk creation to be fair. The next pandemic of any significance could be decades away or even for a minor problem like swine flu back in 2009, over a decade ago. Not to mention that bioterrorism will never materialise so... Question is:

Can a public body just sit there basically doing nothing for 10 years and justify its existence? It'll be gone by the 2028 general election, I think.
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24/03/2021 14:40:46 0 0
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Well the EU Commission seems to have done quite well at it.
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24/03/2021 14:40:50 5 4
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A specialist body which includes the unqualified serial failure and monumental money spaffer Dido Harding doesn't inspire confidence.

We need to improve scientific and engineering education opportunities, and stop rationing the number of doctors and nurses in training, not new expensive letterheads.
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24/03/2021 14:40:51 8 4
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Seeing all the fiasco this pandemic caused for each country I salute anything would help ensure the UK was better equipped to deal with the next pandemic. Hopefully other countries could follow suit so we don't get caught out again.
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24/03/2021 14:55:14 0 2
bbc
Well, dreams are always free...
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25/03/2021 11:46:49 0 0
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A knee jerk panic alarm is what we need
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24/03/2021 14:16:16 7 4
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Feel really sorry for Hancock. He talks rubbish as he's told to do. Puts on a brave face and kow-tows to what he's been told. Paid politician, though, Bojo? Let's not go down that route...
40
24/03/2021 14:43:10 4 8
bbc
He makes considerably more sense than you do.
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24/03/2021 14:57:27 0 0
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Perhaps you just don't understand?....
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24/03/2021 15:20:39 0 0
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Stick to the hate-rags ;)
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24/03/2021 14:18:16 3 4
bbc
Does the Chief Medical Officer or his Deputy have a Duty of Care towards the general population, as a GP does for his patients?
If so, did he fulfill that duty in remaining silent when the PM said it was fine to rub shoulders with half a million strangers at Cheltenham races or go to a rugby match or shake hands with all and sundry at a Covid-19 hospital.
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24/03/2021 14:44:23 3 0
bbc
Do all the idiots who failed to follow Covid limitations, went on marches and went to the beach have a duty of care towards general population?
17
24/03/2021 13:56:41 5 4
bbc
has anyone seen the background checks for Tory contracts ?
42
24/03/2021 14:44:31 0 2
bbc
Yes the National Audit Office found nothing wrong.
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24/03/2021 14:38:53 2 2
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Strange how such things seem to begin on April Fools Day!

I often wonder if those in power do it deliberately then sit back and say to themselves when it all turns pear shaped "Well, you should've cottoned on to the fact it was all a bit of a joke by the day we launched it, the clue was there before your eyes."...

Methinks there's more to things that happen on April the 1st than meets the eye...
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24/03/2021 14:47:47 6 5
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Maybe if they spent the money they plan to spend on increasing our nuclear warheads on Health we would actually be more secure. We have never used Nuclear weapons but there are always shortages and waiting lists in our Healthcare system.
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24/03/2021 14:46:16 7 6
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HanCock quote "We must learn the lessons for the future. But why wait until after the pandemic?"

The medical & scientific communities have warned governments worldwide for decades about preparing for an inevitable pandemic...

So the real question of Hancock & all who came before him in his position is...

WHY DID YOU WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE PANDEMIC HIT WHICH YOU WHERE ALREADY WARNED ABOUT ???
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25/03/2021 00:34:24 0 0
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Laughing my head off at the 6 people out there who clearly don't like someone asking a genuine & honest question about the simple FACT that, no one in this government or any government before it took action on the FACT that for decades they were warned to prepare for a pandemic.

Wonder if any of those six had the ability to even click on the "thumbs down" button without the help of a grown up...
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24/03/2021 14:28:04 14 6
bbc
"UK Health Security Agency will launch on 1 April"

Says it all
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24/03/2021 14:51:09 1 1
bbc
Would it help if they added 2021?
47
24/03/2021 14:52:14 14 5
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Is that protective shield of the same quality as the one Hancock announced for care homes about a year ago???......
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25/03/2021 11:21:51 1 0
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No this ones even better, nobody has to prove it works and when it doesn't nobody is held accountable ,Great British qualities
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24/03/2021 14:28:04 14 6
bbc
"UK Health Security Agency will launch on 1 April"

Says it all
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24/03/2021 14:52:29 1 7
bbc
Is Captain Hindsight in the room?
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24/03/2021 14:56:07 6 0
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Who? Is that Hancock you were talking about?....
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24/03/2021 14:16:16 7 4
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Feel really sorry for Hancock. He talks rubbish as he's told to do. Puts on a brave face and kow-tows to what he's been told. Paid politician, though, Bojo? Let's not go down that route...
49
24/03/2021 14:53:27 1 1
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No shortage of armchair critics
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Rob
24/03/2021 16:08:38 0 0
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Just like you - and me!
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24/03/2021 14:54:33 4 3
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"The UK Health Security Agency will launch on 1 April, "

Fascinating!

I wonder where Party of the Rich are going to recycle the money from to fund it? NHS? Vaccination programme? Councils?
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24/03/2021 14:40:51 8 4
bbc
Seeing all the fiasco this pandemic caused for each country I salute anything would help ensure the UK was better equipped to deal with the next pandemic. Hopefully other countries could follow suit so we don't get caught out again.
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24/03/2021 14:55:14 0 2
bbc
Well, dreams are always free...
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24/03/2021 13:44:17 6 3
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Chris B
. hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.'

Cygnus did - clown ignored.
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24/03/2021 14:55:44 1 0
bbc
As long as somebody else pays.
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24/03/2021 14:52:29 1 7
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Is Captain Hindsight in the room?
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24/03/2021 14:56:07 6 0
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Who? Is that Hancock you were talking about?....
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24/03/2021 14:56:30 18 4
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Better equipped for the next pandemic hey, maybe have that independent public inquiry you're currently dodging Hancock......
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25/03/2021 11:12:01 1 0
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No i wont have that why on earth would they dodge a public enquiry ,they have done nothing wr.......... HELP ME !!!!!
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24/03/2021 14:56:51 16 5
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Boris has devised a new shield of unaccountability.
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25/03/2021 11:20:14 1 0
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Exactly if we cant blame the virus we can blame the public and if we cant blame the public we can blame the virus etc etc
40
24/03/2021 14:43:10 4 8
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He makes considerably more sense than you do.
56
24/03/2021 14:57:27 0 0
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Perhaps you just don't understand?....
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24/03/2021 14:39:03 4 7
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Says what exactly ?
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24/03/2021 14:56:22 9 0
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If you don't know the meaning in the UK of April the 1st, then look it up...
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24/03/2021 14:58:53 18 1
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I wonder if anyone has thought to dust off the old Cygnus report for a quick review......
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24/03/2021 17:51:08 3 2
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Can you imagine the round table with 30 or so civil servants and 'medical officers' thumbing through it going "oh yes, if only we had done that!"
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24/03/2021 14:59:49 18 4
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Catchy new name.

No new money.

No new leaders.

Spin, spin, spin
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24/03/2021 15:04:01 10 5
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Typical Party of the Rich tactics.

Yet the dumb ignoramouses lap it all up....
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24/03/2021 14:59:49 18 4
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Catchy new name.

No new money.

No new leaders.

Spin, spin, spin
60
24/03/2021 15:04:01 10 5
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Typical Party of the Rich tactics.

Yet the dumb ignoramouses lap it all up....
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24/03/2021 16:24:58 1 0
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Shouldn't that be ignoramice?
4
24/03/2021 13:23:34 25 8
bbc
Folk will complain that this wasn't done before & so the UK was unprepared as a result. But hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.
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24/03/2021 15:07:40 15 5
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I agree with a lot of your post Chris however other countries have done phenomenally well by comparison given they don't have the same financial clout that the UK has. Austerity without a doubt is a significant contributory factor to the position we're now in.
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24/03/2021 13:51:02 3 4
bbc
This sounds quite worrying, the Joint Biosecurity Centre (JBC) combined with Public Health England (PHE) and NHS Test and Trace.

"Mr Hancock said it would help ensure the UK was better equipped to deal with the next pandemic." That is the cover story for monitoring and total control of the population. Alternatively, Hancock may already know that the next variant or Covid-21 is on the way.
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24/03/2021 15:13:34 0 0
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A bit worrying, especially since everything seems to be going on-line. 10,000 less troops? S'ok, though, we can out-cyber them. We can't and never could.

As it stands? Very worrying...
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24/03/2021 15:16:14 5 5
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Protective shield eh.

For us or the rightwing ;)
36
24/03/2021 14:39:03 4 7
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Says what exactly ?
64
24/03/2021 15:18:21 4 1
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"Another Sick tory Joke"
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24/03/2021 15:19:55 5 4
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whowrotethis
14:22
to RobGood
whowrotethis replied:
12 months ago NOBODY understood the fully implications except of course ... YOU'

C Y G N U S - you tory apologist.
40
24/03/2021 14:43:10 4 8
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He makes considerably more sense than you do.
66
24/03/2021 15:20:39 0 0
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Stick to the hate-rags ;)
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24/03/2021 15:22:46 5 5
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Health is devolved to Scotland, Wales and NI but reading this it's clear that England = UK = England is the UK is basically what this article states. Or is this yet another power grab by the trustworthy Tories?
1
24/03/2021 13:18:43 28 3
bbc
Watched the BBC piece this morning on UKs genomic operations - global lead on vital aspect in the fight. Very impressive work indeed. Cost a few bob but worth the investment. Well done all.
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24/03/2021 15:35:10 14 15
bbc
Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
90
24/03/2021 17:12:41 4 2
bbc
Ever wondered why the need for this and where the control and management currently lies? Consider the changes enacted by Cameron/Clegg coalition that transferred direct control away from Govt and onto Trusts & MDs and then ask what happened and who responsible for PPE etc. You have to delve and try to avoid headlines guide
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24/03/2021 18:06:25 0 3
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Germany heading into 3rd wave not doing well even though they were 'prepared'.
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24/03/2021 19:31:33 4 0
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what happened to Exercise Cygnus

+++

It got buried as the tories didn't have the decency to tell the public, that we were shafted if we ever had a serious epidemic.
145
25/03/2021 10:43:26 0 0
bbc
Lockdowns don't work and all viruses mutate .This government aren't even bright enough to have got it wrong .There was never a "right"
4
24/03/2021 13:23:34 25 8
bbc
Folk will complain that this wasn't done before & so the UK was unprepared as a result. But hindsight is a wonderful thing & generally people don't want to do anything that costs money unless there's an immediate obvious benefit. Politicians are particularly prone to this. Nobody bothers about flood defences until there's a flood. Nobody bothers about bug resistant antibiotics until it's too late.
69
24/03/2021 15:35:37 1 1
bbc
Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
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24/03/2021 16:50:19 1 3
bbc
Well, yes, I've said many times that the UK Gov. acted late, leading to many deaths. However, when the idea of a lockdown was first muted, it was reasonable to say "Hang on a sec. before we ruin the economy, let's think about this - maybe herd immunity would be a better option." With hindsight that was the wrong decision, but at the time nobody knew about the deadly nature of the virus.
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24/03/2021 15:36:25 16 7
bbc
BBC - It's SERCO Test and Trace NOT NHS. Please do not associate the excellent NHS with the abysmal T&T system. Thank you.
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24/03/2021 15:36:35 5 6
bbc
Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
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24/03/2021 15:45:33 3 2
bbc
Or in other words...

We are now going to try and do what we did not do, now we realise we were wrong before.
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24/03/2021 13:40:08 2 5
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I would rather they put their energies and resources into managing the current crisis properly NOW than enter into a protracted public inquiry, which could last eons.
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24/03/2021 15:50:54 0 0
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Which
g is precisely what t hey are doing
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24/03/2021 15:51:07 4 2
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1st April launch ? What could possibly go wrong on April Fools Day ??
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24/03/2021 15:45:35 4 3
bbc
So we're going to have even more civil servants to waste the taxpayer's money.

Is anyone really stupid enough to be impressed by this proposal?
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Rob
24/03/2021 16:05:58 3 2
bbc
Er... does anybody else think that this looks dangerously like Hancock and Co have formed yet another "committee"? (Definition of a committee being "a collection of individuals who individually can do nothing and collectively decide that nothing can be done").
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24/03/2021 16:07:05 3 3
bbc
You won't learn a thing from this pandemic. You do not like making sensible obvious decisions in good time. It was never hard. Borders should have been closed to passengers from the first inkling of a communicable disease. No one person should have entered the country without being locked up in secure quarantine for a full fortnight at their own expense. No excuses, no deadline beating, cheating.
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24/03/2021 14:53:27 1 1
bbc
No shortage of armchair critics
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Rob
24/03/2021 16:08:38 0 0
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Just like you - and me!
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24/03/2021 16:17:43 2 3
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This is really a case of closing the stable door after the horse has bolted. The astonishing thing is that successive UK governments did not have a plan to anticipate a pandemic a viral respiratory one being obvious with air travel & China's consistent biohazard record. Seal all borders next time, freight & cargo only. An island should have fared far better than mainland EU.
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24/03/2021 16:20:36 1 0
bbc
Certain countries need urgent coding up as OTT Biohazard no go areas. Asia, Africa, China, South America, US, Russia, Far East.
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24/03/2021 15:04:01 10 5
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Typical Party of the Rich tactics.

Yet the dumb ignoramouses lap it all up....
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24/03/2021 16:24:58 1 0
bbc
Shouldn't that be ignoramice?
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24/03/2021 16:34:17 3 3
bbc
taking PHE out of the NHS was the mistake

Calling serci test and trace the NHS is another

Whitty was the biggest

At least Jenny harries had the guts to stand her ground over scummings

So, 5/10 Matt

Put it all back in the nhs and fire whitty more overtly for 7

For the full 10, extract a full refund from Dido and deport her to Christmas island
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24/03/2021 16:41:16 0 1
bbc
After 130,000 COVID dead, I really cannot have any faith is this...
84
24/03/2021 16:41:54 1 0
bbc
Blimey! They getting a bit paranoid. Not only with the export restrictions but now "seizing" 29m doses in Italy over half of which were destined for EU, the remainder for Covax. The 16m for EU would add to the huge stockpiles already held by some due to poor take up anyway. They really need to spend time recovering public trust or allow free shipment to others who WOULD use it to save lives.
85
24/03/2021 16:43:00 1 0
bbc
OOops Sorry - wrong forum.
84
24/03/2021 16:41:54 1 0
bbc
Blimey! They getting a bit paranoid. Not only with the export restrictions but now "seizing" 29m doses in Italy over half of which were destined for EU, the remainder for Covax. The 16m for EU would add to the huge stockpiles already held by some due to poor take up anyway. They really need to spend time recovering public trust or allow free shipment to others who WOULD use it to save lives.
85
24/03/2021 16:43:00 1 0
bbc
OOops Sorry - wrong forum.
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24/03/2021 16:43:08 2 2
bbc
Given the shambles in preparedness and in managing this pandemic this new organisation has a lot to do, from stock control on PPE to being a lot more pro-active instead of waiting for the numbers to suggest what course of action to take. The only thing that the government and PHE have got right is the vaccination programme!
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24/03/2021 15:35:37 1 1
bbc
Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
87
24/03/2021 16:50:19 1 3
bbc
Well, yes, I've said many times that the UK Gov. acted late, leading to many deaths. However, when the idea of a lockdown was first muted, it was reasonable to say "Hang on a sec. before we ruin the economy, let's think about this - maybe herd immunity would be a better option." With hindsight that was the wrong decision, but at the time nobody knew about the deadly nature of the virus.
146
25/03/2021 10:47:59 0 0
bbc
Has nobody at this point possibly considered that lockdowns do not work ,three of them in fact didn't work but the obsession continues and is now part of the governments arsenal to use on an embarrassingly subdued population at any point in the future .Assumed science seems to be the way to go not fact based medicine.
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24/03/2021 16:55:45 2 5
bbc
Regarding the pandemic no party has the moral high ground. One month before it struck we had a General Election and no party mentioned it then. So not 'smarty pants' retrospective wisdom please. However the party that won, the Tories, have done a superb job in extremely difficult circumstances. I am fairly sure that many, even the majority, will support this far sighted scheme for the whole UK.
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24/03/2021 17:11:24 3 1
bbc
We certainly have many mistakes to learn from!
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24/03/2021 18:20:37 1 0
bbc
The world always has many mistakes to learn from.
68
24/03/2021 15:35:10 14 15
bbc
Hmm... what happened to Exercise Cygnus?

Countries such as S Korea, Vietnam and Germany were prepared, others like NZ and Australia adapted very quickly.

Bozo locked down late 3 times... nowt to do with hindsight, but to do with the silly Tory belief in herd immunity to a RNA virus which constantly mutates.
90
24/03/2021 17:12:41 4 2
bbc
Ever wondered why the need for this and where the control and management currently lies? Consider the changes enacted by Cameron/Clegg coalition that transferred direct control away from Govt and onto Trusts & MDs and then ask what happened and who responsible for PPE etc. You have to delve and try to avoid headlines guide
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24/03/2021 19:27:55 2 0
bbc
Which has absolutely nothing to do with Oracle's post.
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24/03/2021 17:14:47 7 2
bbc
Perhaps that “shield” could be made a trifle more robust with a 10% raise for NHS nurses? Eh Mr Hancock?
93
24/03/2021 17:18:27 2 8
bbc
So pay someone even more simply because you think they should have it ... the rest of us have to show improvements in outcomes before we see more money.

Remember the NHS has a very bad record on health outcomes ...
155
25/03/2021 11:27:41 0 0
bbc
As a nurse I'm more than happy with inane clapping for my supper now I'm a hero
and all
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24/03/2021 17:16:56 9 3
bbc
Germany has just made a major error in reversing the lockdown over Easter ... this will guarantee that holidays to the EU will not happen this year due to rising infection and death rates.
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25/03/2021 11:19:20 1 0
bbc
Don't people catch a virus and don't some of those people, especially elderly, die ??? Oh what are we to do forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever … Germany has made a major step forward towards normality and not this ridiculous global pantomime of trying to dodge invisible germs by not going to the hairdressers .personally i don't think that will work so im German for a while !
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24/03/2021 17:14:47 7 2
bbc
Perhaps that “shield” could be made a trifle more robust with a 10% raise for NHS nurses? Eh Mr Hancock?
93
24/03/2021 17:18:27 2 8
bbc
So pay someone even more simply because you think they should have it ... the rest of us have to show improvements in outcomes before we see more money.

Remember the NHS has a very bad record on health outcomes ...
96
24/03/2021 17:33:51 1 1
bbc
You should write them a signed letter stating that you are declining any hospital treatment for any reason whatsoever, for the rest of your NHS bashing life.
99
24/03/2021 17:41:32 3 0
bbc
That was a brave post. I generally agree but would caveat it with because of mis-management and not the efforts of those on the front-line.
156
25/03/2021 11:45:45 0 0
bbc
Tough... but a bit true and I'm a nurse i think there are people on the ground who do amazing work who have to stare at this zoo of management wishing they could earn a fifth of their ridiculous salaries. This is where the precious pay rise also goes
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24/03/2021 17:22:58 9 3
bbc
A new health security body will provide a "protective shield" over the UK

Rubbish, the lying clowns buried the Cygnus report after it looked like the NHS couldn't cope with a pandemic.

Do they actually believe anyone trusts them to be honest.

"protective shield, another meaningless & useless tory slogan.
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25/03/2021 11:25:49 1 0
bbc
Is this the time to mention that the NHS did cope with the "pandemic". The overwhelmed narrative was only projected, supposed ,imagined and never really happened I'm just saying what i see as a nurse .Also if its in such a perilous state is it worth saving or fit for purpose ???
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24/03/2021 17:29:07 1 0
bbc
Apologies £500 was just last month, £10,000 for the last year.
93
24/03/2021 17:18:27 2 8
bbc
So pay someone even more simply because you think they should have it ... the rest of us have to show improvements in outcomes before we see more money.

Remember the NHS has a very bad record on health outcomes ...
96
24/03/2021 17:33:51 1 1
bbc
You should write them a signed letter stating that you are declining any hospital treatment for any reason whatsoever, for the rest of your NHS bashing life.
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DG
24/03/2021 17:34:51 3 3
bbc
How can any plan be forward to combat a virus. The next export from China will be far more deadly.
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24/03/2021 17:44:54 4 2
bbc
It is just tories spouting garbage as usual.
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24/03/2021 17:36:51 4 2
bbc
"UK Health Security Agency". Orwell was so right, whatever the name of the Ministry or Agency suggests it does the opposite (waiting for the Ministry of Truth next). Just more layers of Government which will have the power to restrict what we do. All starts up in October just in time for the winter lockdown then?
93
24/03/2021 17:18:27 2 8
bbc
So pay someone even more simply because you think they should have it ... the rest of us have to show improvements in outcomes before we see more money.

Remember the NHS has a very bad record on health outcomes ...
99
24/03/2021 17:41:32 3 0
bbc
That was a brave post. I generally agree but would caveat it with because of mis-management and not the efforts of those on the front-line.
100
24/03/2021 17:42:02 4 2
bbc
As long as they staff it with real people with real skills and a desire to succeed and not with a load of underperforming people from other departments as a way to off-load them somewhere.
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24/03/2021 19:51:52 4 3
bbc
not with a load of underperforming people from other departments as a way to off-load them somewhere.

++++

You've just found all the candidates.