Covid: Deaths below average for first time since summer
23/03/2021 | news | health | 1,925
The decline suggests the winter wave of coronavirus deaths has ended, experts say.
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23/03/2021 13:38:50 297 69
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But why stop here?

Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all so we’re exceptional and can defeat anything because us humans rule!!!!

No.

Of we course we can’t defeat death, and the sooner we accept its inevitability the sooner we can focus on getting a better quality of life, not quantity.
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23/03/2021 13:42:45 113 78
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How much 'quantity' would you sacrifice for 'quality'?
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Ben
23/03/2021 13:53:19 48 19
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The pandemic is likely nature's way of telling us that we're already overpopulated and living unnaturally long. But nope, humans know best. Can't wait to see what nature's got in store for us next... I bet it won't be a cough.
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23/03/2021 13:56:31 43 13
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I don't think you understand.
The only reason people die is because of "selfish deniers".
Just look at 2019: No one died then. In fact, we didn't even have a word for death.
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23/03/2021 14:11:34 56 15
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Not as long as the Covid Cult are in charge, they'll have us locked down again the minute they see someone enjoying themselves on a beach. As was predicted by Peter Hitchens, and is now, belatedly understood. Once you give away your freedoms for anything and so rapidly & easily, don't expect to get them back equally as quickly or easily.
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23/03/2021 15:27:05 12 5
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One could be forgiven for thinking that some are trying to eliminate deaths by eliminating life.
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23/03/2021 16:11:06 4 2
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Well I don't know about you, but I don't plan on leaving my home again until Bill Gates has unlocked the secret to immortality. Until then I'm going to stay cowering behind my sofa while wearing 50 masks.
23/03/2021 17:24:26 2 0
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Where does that lead, though? We deliberately withhold treatment from the elderly and seriously ill? Would you like to have a go at re-writing medical ethics?
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23/03/2021 17:34:18 2 0
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I'd quite like to postpone death for a while longer if you don't mind!!!

Would you decline lifesaving medical treatment if it stopped you dying right now?

Should we stop all medical research because it's a lost cause because we'll all die anyway?
23/03/2021 18:56:20 2 0
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I remember some seventies sci-fi film where when people reached 30, they were terminated. No need to bother saving for a pension or worry about smoking or drinking to excess. Is that the sort of thing you had in mind?
23/03/2021 20:08:08 0 0
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So.. you want to set the example by taking the lead and dying now?
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
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23/03/2021 13:41:31 7 5
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Nope its a reduction. If it was a pause then deaths would be zero. Keep up
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23/03/2021 13:42:48 1 2
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Nonense
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DMT
23/03/2021 13:44:12 1 1
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Although just two months ago when we lost 1820 in a single day. compared with yesterday when we lost 17, does seem like a reduction ? Still if you say it’s just a pause ?
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23/03/2021 13:50:55 2 2
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Yup, everyone has died. Only zombies and undead left.

Muppet.
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23/03/2021 13:53:51 2 1
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Hate to state the bleeding obvious...but with the UK having approx 550k-600k deaths per year....every year...one could say "Death is an ongoing process!".
One more thing...again stating the obvious.....even if covid was wiped out tomorrow, death would continue, as it always does, at ave 82 years old in the UK.
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23/03/2021 13:40:06 0 12
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It might be to do with less people in the country.
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23/03/2021 15:25:46 2 3
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Do you actually know a) the population of the UK and b) how many people die every year (and therefore how numerically fairly insignificant the number of people who died WITH covid is)? I'm guessing not.
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23/03/2021 13:40:12 438 20
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Let's hope the vaccines are the main thing responsible here, and we can banish lockdowns for good!
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23/03/2021 13:59:04 239 965
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Lockdowns were never necessary.

You could achieve the same end results by giving responsibility to the public and letting the public adapt their behaviour of their own accord.

Just look at how there wasn't a spike at christmas when rules were relaxed - that's because people are capable of adapting their behaviour appropriately without mandatory lockdown rules.
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23/03/2021 14:09:23 35 92
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Just look at Portugal’s figures after getting a new variant like we did a few months back. Their cases rose quickly and have now quickly gone down like ours! They’re in Europe... and have low vaccine numbers! I think you call it herd immunity but no one wants to admit it or talk about Portugal or Sweden now.
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23/03/2021 14:15:45 8 28
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While Boris and Matt are in charge, we're locked down for ever.
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23/03/2021 14:31:37 0 4
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Vaccines the main thing?
How exactly is a death meant to occur at this current time with exception of natural causes or disease?
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23/03/2021 13:36:39 44 5
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More good news.
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23/03/2021 15:21:21 28 36
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But I thought the BBC only report bad news?

Or is that just yet another paranoid conspiracy theory.....
23/03/2021 17:13:19 1 2
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Cases up 1.6% today and deaths up 1.8% (compared to last Tuesday). This is the first week-on-week increase in deaths for some time.
23/03/2021 17:33:59 1 1
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"more"? Think I've missed quite a lot.
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23/03/2021 13:40:18 155 19
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Or it means that some of the people who died in the last year (after testing positive for cov 19) would have been dying now for other reasons.

It probably won't last as all the other treatable ailments that were displaced will start to kill people off early.
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23/03/2021 13:44:46 58 4
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It’s an exciting time to be an actuary. Death rates are what lights their fire! Quietly, of course...
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23/03/2021 14:46:53 4 5
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On the graph there don’t seem to be any blue “other excess deaths” from this winter. I wonder, were there none, or were they all attributed to covid?
23/03/2021 17:08:26 1 1
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Some = 100000+?
23/03/2021 19:27:19 2 1
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On average Covid has cost its victims 10 years of life!
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23/03/2021 13:40:20 11 24
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Official stats last week say 2020 deaths were up 7% which, if you do the calculation yourself, is 30,000 extra deaths than 2019. The MSM don't like to mention that because they are part of the biggest scam of the century.
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23/03/2021 13:50:05 4 8
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They don`t seem to, or like mentioning Sweden too much either.
No lockdowns, or mandatory masks and little as yet in the way of vaccines...yet a 30% better death per million than the UK and deaths now on the floor ie Herd immunity QUICKER.
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23/03/2021 13:52:16 5 2
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Even if it's only 30,000 compared to 120,000 thats still 30,000 people that have died. Would you have volunteered to be one of those, or is it just okay because it's other people dying?
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23/03/2021 13:40:21 56 8
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That's good News on the right path let's keep it that way the vaccines should be working and better vaccines to come
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23/03/2021 14:13:04 34 87
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If only bozo had not had not cut scientific research funding
23/03/2021 17:32:48 1 7
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Unfortunately no vaccine for climate change which will be the next excuse to lock us down.
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Jon
23/03/2021 13:40:26 18 17
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Not surprised, if you get everyone vaccinated as quickly as the UK and dovetail it with lockdown.....difficult to catch anything! Magic Johnson strikes again.....
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23/03/2021 13:41:10 11 25
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"The rapid decline in deaths we have thankfully seen is entirely because of the lockdown and the rapid rollout of vaccines."

No. It's only because of the vaccines and the fact that all the vulnerable are dead.
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23/03/2021 13:44:38 21 4
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Really, so there is nobody left alive who is over 50 or has any other illness then!!

The stupidity of some really does amaze me.
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23/03/2021 13:53:42 4 1
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another plonker
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
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23/03/2021 13:41:31 7 5
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Nope its a reduction. If it was a pause then deaths would be zero. Keep up
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23/03/2021 13:41:43 9 13
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3rd wave is on the way, and the 4th and the 5th new variants.
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23/03/2021 13:43:37 5 8
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We are already at the end of our 3rd Wave - graphs do not lie
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23/03/2021 13:44:54 0 2
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So the vaccine programme has been a waste of time?
Why do you have to post such extreme nonsense?
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DMT
23/03/2021 13:45:33 1 2
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You sound like you’re looking forwards to it ?
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23/03/2021 13:46:37 0 3
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You have been watching the BBC too long.
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23/03/2021 13:43:54 26 11
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I think you answered your own question.
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23/03/2021 13:44:34 4 6
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You could always stay off the platform - or are you a loony?
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23/03/2021 13:45:01 6 8
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Spot on. They are very selective when opening comments. It’s no wonder they are loosing public support.
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23/03/2021 13:45:31 3 4
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Well said. We could all do to give it a rest.
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23/03/2021 13:56:47 5 2
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Indeed, there are many extreme views doing the rounds, views that I simply can not compute. It astonishes me to see how selfish so many people are. I honestly thought the brits were better than this.
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23/03/2021 13:57:15 5 1
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I can appreciate that you believe that the opinions, observations and experiences of the rest of us should not be given an airing, but that is the price you pay for your Sovereign democracy... or is your version of democracy exclusive only to the few who follow your way of thinking?
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23/03/2021 14:14:20 1 8
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I agree, there are loads of easily brainwashed loonies that support lockdown.
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23/03/2021 14:25:33 1 1
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You sound like one of them
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PH
23/03/2021 14:26:09 0 2
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Because the loonies control the platform.
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23/03/2021 13:42:01 20 28
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Terrible loss of life, if only we had locked down sooner and harder this time last year.
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23/03/2021 13:43:50 14 10
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This time last year we did lock down? Not sure it could have been any harder without everyone starving to death?
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23/03/2021 13:44:28 2 3
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Yer, hindsight's brilliant, isn't it!
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23/03/2021 13:45:50 0 5
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You mean like Sweden did?
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23/03/2021 13:42:33 7 20
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Good. Now time for an election. The UK, Welsh and Scottish Governments have had too much time controlling every aspect of life. It has gone to their heads, time for a different one of any colour and go back to government by consent, not coercion.
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23/03/2021 13:38:50 297 69
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But why stop here?

Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all so we’re exceptional and can defeat anything because us humans rule!!!!

No.

Of we course we can’t defeat death, and the sooner we accept its inevitability the sooner we can focus on getting a better quality of life, not quantity.
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23/03/2021 13:42:45 113 78
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How much 'quantity' would you sacrifice for 'quality'?
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23/03/2021 13:58:47 60 8
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I think it depends on what you consider to be a decent quality of life.

I can't get any NHS healthcare, or holiday, or socialise but I can go to work 60 hours a week, so to me that's exponentially poor.

If you think that's a fair standard of living then kill me now.
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23/03/2021 14:02:15 55 17
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I'd swap 10 x 2 week breaks in the sun for 2 years being spoon fed in a care home any day of the week.
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23/03/2021 14:04:15 68 6
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It would rather live a happy healthy life up to 75/80 and then drop dead of a heart attack or viral infection, rather than living another 10 years if that meant a sad slow decline into dementia, immobility and other chronic health issues typical of old age.
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23/03/2021 14:08:55 32 3
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This decision is important, but it can be made (mostly) individually.
I prefer the balance more towards quality of life, meeting with likeminded people.
Others will feel that is reckless, but the two 'groups' can largely stay out of each other's way provided we don't deliberately cough on each other in the supermarket.
Both groups get what they want, as long as they let the other group have it too
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23/03/2021 14:14:36 47 15
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Given the average age Covid mortality was 82, higher than average life expectancy and that 90%+ of the mortality also had a 'co-morobidity' these listed by the ONS as including 'Pneumonia, Flu, Alzheimers, Dementia and Hypertension to name but 5 'killers' in the normal run of things, very little quantity for vast quality, especially as we locked down the young immune & trashed the economy.
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23/03/2021 14:18:44 32 7
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Is the last year not enough for you?

Maybe two years?

How about five?

When will it be too much for you?
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23/03/2021 14:38:23 12 4
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Quality of life - and quality of death.
By that I mean as a civilised society we should care for our people when they are seriously ill. As long as the NHS is not overwhelmed, we are performing our moral duty. So increase NHS capacity and get on with unlocking so we can live life again.
It seems people are more afraid of dying than living due to some expectation to live forever.
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23/03/2021 14:41:49 5 2
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S/he means other people, not themself.
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23/03/2021 15:21:22 5 5
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none, very few would
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23/03/2021 15:47:50 8 1
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Zero, I would walk through a minefield if it meant I could be free, just as many have done before and many will do again. It is quite simple, support those that want to be locked up and let those that want to get on with it be free.
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23/03/2021 16:13:07 2 1
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It is an individual decision but more quality please.
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23/03/2021 16:27:32 2 1
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"How much 'quantity' {of life} would you sacrifice for 'quality'?"
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That may have been meant flippant, but it has been attempted to quantify. Factors to consider include age, in terms of risk of death if Covid infected and (statistical) years left to live versus "quality" years lost. On balance, it's reckoned the benefit to lockdown has been in protecting healthcare - not "quantity/quality".
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23/03/2021 16:30:24 3 0
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I try to convince the wife with that argument.
23/03/2021 19:37:57 1 0
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Interesting concept. There was a woman in her mid 80s on TV a few months back saying at her age she accepted she probably has 5 to 10 years max left. She said she would rather give up a couple of these years than spend another year or 2 not seeing her children, grandchildren and great grandchildren. Really struck a cord with me.
23/03/2021 20:34:19 0 1
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the big question, unfortunatley we now have a lot of cowards determing policy.
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
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23/03/2021 13:42:48 1 2
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Nonense
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Comment posted by BSUB, today at 13:38BSUB
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But why stop here?

'Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all...'

As one of the lizard people who has organised all of this in co-operation with Bill Gates, the Illuminati and Elvis, I'd ask you to kindly speak for yourself.

Got any flies?
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23/03/2021 13:46:17 4 1
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You will be telling them all about Trisolaris and the coming of the new lord soon. They are not supposed to know!
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23/03/2021 13:41:43 9 13
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3rd wave is on the way, and the 4th and the 5th new variants.
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23/03/2021 13:43:37 5 8
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We are already at the end of our 3rd Wave - graphs do not lie
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23/03/2021 13:43:38 135 58
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Lock down, treatments and the successful vaccine roll-out are all helping to reduce the number of deaths and infections, allowing the NHS to breath. A slow easing of restrictions is the only way we will make sure we don't see a marked reversal in these figures.
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23/03/2021 13:46:02 56 55
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Agreed no point in rushing to get everything open now...I'm going to get people protesting outside my door now!!!
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23/03/2021 14:22:14 14 10
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How will we see a 'marked reversal', the vulnerable have all been vaccinated so have little chance of getting seriously ill, at least from Covid. That's what vaccinations are for. The fact that people like you have no comprehension of that is why the govt are getting away with keeping this lockdown going indefinitely or permanently if possible.
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23/03/2021 14:33:31 9 6
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How will we know is it vaccine or lockdown , we need to get back to normal life and then the answers will be fact
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23/03/2021 15:09:45 13 3
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This isn't like last year - we have a vaccine. 100% effective against severe disease.

Government should respond to data not dates.
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23/03/2021 15:45:35 6 10
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Everything, bar the vaccine, was done far too late.. could've saved many many lives being proactive, not reactive..!
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23/03/2021 16:03:26 1 6
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mask wearing is working and testing at schools and airports
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23/03/2021 16:23:37 3 8
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Yes quite right but the daily infection rate actually remains stubbornly high (around 5000 new cases per day).
This is data which I expect the Good News Bear Johnson will conveniently ignore in favour of unrealistic re-opening dates after which there will be "no turning back".
Look out for "Let It Rip 3" coming soon to all good cinemas and public inquiries (eventually but not soon enough!)
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23/03/2021 16:33:52 4 0
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'a marked reversal in these figures' is baked in. You can't lockdown for 12+ months without mortality rates rising.
Many health improvements had stalled before all this, and overall deaths were increasing.
If nothing else, I would put money on the poorest in society seeing their life expectancy falling further.
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23/03/2021 16:53:31 4 1
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That's because they haven't told you about the Timbuktu variant yet, and will introduce that just as we get near the next milestone for easing, to give a new target to aim for.
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23/03/2021 13:42:01 20 28
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Terrible loss of life, if only we had locked down sooner and harder this time last year.
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23/03/2021 13:43:50 14 10
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This time last year we did lock down? Not sure it could have been any harder without everyone starving to death?
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23/03/2021 13:43:54 26 11
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I think you answered your own question.
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23/03/2021 13:43:57 6 13
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Rapid decline on deaths ‘entirely down to vaccines and lockdown’ government and scientists in self congratulatory mode.
enough to make you feel symptoms!
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
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23/03/2021 13:44:12 1 1
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Although just two months ago when we lost 1820 in a single day. compared with yesterday when we lost 17, does seem like a reduction ? Still if you say it’s just a pause ?
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23/03/2021 13:53:48 1 5
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Yes it is a pause, viruses don't go away. Its still there and it will be back with a vengeance and you'll all be in lockdown again because deaths will rise again...thats a pause. It will happen every year from now on until a more effective solution can be found. Every year, every winter, you will lockdown from now until a solution is found.
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23/03/2021 13:42:01 20 28
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Terrible loss of life, if only we had locked down sooner and harder this time last year.
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23/03/2021 13:44:28 2 3
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Yer, hindsight's brilliant, isn't it!
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23/03/2021 13:44:29 6 23
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YES BUT BE READY FOR A HARD WINTER! Quote!

NEXT CHRISTMAS LOCKDOWN COMING - Don't accept it!!!

Vaccination Freedom MORE LIES!
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23/03/2021 13:50:03 9 3
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plonker
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23/03/2021 13:44:34 4 6
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You could always stay off the platform - or are you a loony?
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23/03/2021 13:41:10 11 25
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"The rapid decline in deaths we have thankfully seen is entirely because of the lockdown and the rapid rollout of vaccines."

No. It's only because of the vaccines and the fact that all the vulnerable are dead.
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23/03/2021 13:44:38 21 4
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Really, so there is nobody left alive who is over 50 or has any other illness then!!

The stupidity of some really does amaze me.
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23/03/2021 13:40:18 155 19
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Or it means that some of the people who died in the last year (after testing positive for cov 19) would have been dying now for other reasons.

It probably won't last as all the other treatable ailments that were displaced will start to kill people off early.
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23/03/2021 13:44:46 58 4
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It’s an exciting time to be an actuary. Death rates are what lights their fire! Quietly, of course...
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23/03/2021 14:22:22 6 5
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Which is probably why we should sack Ferguson and get professional risk assessors in from the Insurance Industry to provide more accurate assessments.
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23/03/2021 16:35:35 5 0
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"It’s an exciting time to be an actuary."

Not a phrase I ever expected to see.
23/03/2021 19:39:42 1 0
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Definition of an Actuary. Someone who found Accountancy too exciting.
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23/03/2021 13:41:43 9 13
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3rd wave is on the way, and the 4th and the 5th new variants.
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23/03/2021 13:44:54 0 2
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So the vaccine programme has been a waste of time?
Why do you have to post such extreme nonsense?
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23/03/2021 13:45:01 6 8
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Spot on. They are very selective when opening comments. It’s no wonder they are loosing public support.
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23/03/2021 13:45:22 30 26
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Great news, we just need to stick with the plan and see this through.

Restrict travel to a minimum until covid is under control and the future is bright.
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23/03/2021 13:51:07 23 19
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Which plan is that. The ones where we turn into a police state where you get shot for not having the correct papers.
Sorry no thank you
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23/03/2021 13:59:12 11 7
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Covid is under control. The NHS is no longer at risk. The vulnerable are vaccinated. What more do you want? Cower behind your sofa forever if you want, let the rest of us get on with our lives.
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23/03/2021 13:45:31 3 4
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Well said. We could all do to give it a rest.
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23/03/2021 13:41:43 9 13
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3rd wave is on the way, and the 4th and the 5th new variants.
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DMT
23/03/2021 13:45:33 1 2
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You sound like you’re looking forwards to it ?
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23/03/2021 13:45:40 378 64
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Really not a surprise. Covid has essentially knocked off a fair few people earlier than expected. The majority of those were in the higher risk category for death anyway. Now we not only have a vaccine but also those who were more at risk of dying have already depleted.
Europe hitting its new wave due to lack of vaccine and lack of deaths in earlier waves - just follow the numbers!
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23/03/2021 14:02:10 52 297
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But at least half our population has now been vaccinated (first jab) so we should have a higher level of immunity than those on the continent, or is it as I always suspected:- Johnson has been pulling the wool over our eyes.
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23/03/2021 14:17:28 11 6
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Actually the opposite is true, Covid has 'knocked off' those who survived the last flu season, where Sweden for one, had a much lower than average mortality, curiously unlike the other Scandinavian countries which didn't get slated for not matching Sweden at that time, but are now praised because they had fewer old and ill to succumb this time.
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23/03/2021 14:42:00 37 13
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According to the ONS life expectancy app an average 85 year old male has a life expectancy of 91. The myth that all elderly Covid victims were going to die shortly anyway is uninformed and nasty. Covid has wiped out a lot of years of life.
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23/03/2021 16:00:01 2 3
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if anything testing at schools. testing at airports , mask wearing and vaccines work

closing border would work too
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23/03/2021 16:20:37 0 1
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And the current majority of European cases are B.1.1.7 variant (Kent Variant), so we've already had our peak on that in January.
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Kat
23/03/2021 16:41:46 1 0
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Ignorance seems to be bliss here
23/03/2021 20:06:38 1 0
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And so the virus adapts and mutates to be better able to infect and multiply in much younger hosts

Meanwhile the pensioners will be partying and clubbing it and breaking rules cos it’s only younger people that will be dying.?
23/03/2021 20:27:06 1 0
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Oh don't say that, what we want to hear is covid will keep in circulation until it's killed everyone, right?
23/03/2021 21:24:18 0 0
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Perhaps the most worrying aspect about your comment is that it was made by someone who actually has a vote.
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23/03/2021 13:43:38 135 58
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Lock down, treatments and the successful vaccine roll-out are all helping to reduce the number of deaths and infections, allowing the NHS to breath. A slow easing of restrictions is the only way we will make sure we don't see a marked reversal in these figures.
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23/03/2021 13:46:02 56 55
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Agreed no point in rushing to get everything open now...I'm going to get people protesting outside my door now!!!
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23/03/2021 14:34:20 26 6
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If you were employed in hospitality, events, sport, non-essential retail, travel etc I think you would see things differently. Easy to vote for extended lockdown when you are retired or working from home on full salary, not so easy when you are at risk of losing a business you have built over many years or at risk of losing your home because you can no longer pay the mortgage.
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23/03/2021 13:42:53 8 10
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B
Comment posted by BSUB, today at 13:38BSUB
13:38
But why stop here?

'Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all...'

As one of the lizard people who has organised all of this in co-operation with Bill Gates, the Illuminati and Elvis, I'd ask you to kindly speak for yourself.

Got any flies?
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23/03/2021 13:46:17 4 1
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You will be telling them all about Trisolaris and the coming of the new lord soon. They are not supposed to know!
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23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
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23/03/2021 13:50:40 4 4
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Say that again but make sense this time.
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23/03/2021 13:50:53 3 1
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Part of the discrepancy will be that in the first wave we didn’t test outside of hospitals so all those cases weren’t counted.
51
23/03/2021 13:51:44 2 4
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Because we're old.
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23/03/2021 13:51:49 3 2
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We did so little testing of people without symptoms
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23/03/2021 13:56:20 6 2
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all countries count cases and deaths differently so direct comparrisions is always a nightmare - and as someone else has stated, we are an older population than many on the list - Covid has hit the oldest much more heavily than the younger.
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23/03/2021 13:57:04 4 2
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1. We test more than any other country in the world - fact - therefore we find more cases.

2. The ONS independently and objectively reports all deaths, other countries don't, e.g Russia 80k official deaths, actual excess deaths 400k
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23/03/2021 13:51:41 3 2
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Obesity. Unhealthy lifestyle (sugar, saturated fat, alcohol).
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23/03/2021 14:17:12 1 2
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For a start we have a higher percentage of old people and/or fat people. With modern medicine we keep people alive who, in a more natural world wouldn't have survived beyond childhood............

A link to your website would be useful. The one I use has us 5th for deaths per million. (statista)
394
23/03/2021 14:47:43 1 1
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because 500K people a year on average die in the UK from the 'co-morbidities' that 90% of the Covid deaths are known to have, but unlike Norway, where their explanation for why Pfizer's vaccine didn't kill anyone was 'It is very difficult to determine what killed these very old and very ill patients - and they would have died anyway.' we 'know' & counting 'with' and 'within 28 days' is NOT OF!
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23/03/2021 15:14:01 0 1
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Research how PHE and ONS make up their figures, and you'll realise i'm not using the term 'make up' lightly.
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23/03/2021 13:47:14 147 78
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So even thou deaths are lower than the 5 year average we still are not back to normal.
Illegal to friends
Illegal to leave country
And every press conference talks about this being the new normal and continuing for years.
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23/03/2021 14:07:45 154 73
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When this is all considered it starts to give credibility to those who say it's becoming more of a social control exercise rather than a saving the NHS exercise.
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23/03/2021 14:32:30 13 13
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Well, they're lower because we've been in a lockdown down for month - the first relaxation measure (opening the schools) was less than 2 weeks ago and it takes about 2 weeks for this to have an affect on the case numbers.

From Monday you can meet 5 friends outside, let's see if they change that.

Using your logic if you went 1 day without being burgled you might as well leave your door unlocked.
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23/03/2021 16:02:59 1 5
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EU is full of covid at the moment and non EU countries are banning travel
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23/03/2021 16:29:45 5 1
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One day's stats are meaningless.

If you want to take one day as an example look at August 11th last year. On that basis we wouldn't see a second spike, but look what happened.

Let's wait and see how the next 6 weeks pan out once we start getting back with the lockdown release phase 1 on 29th March.
23/03/2021 17:42:30 2 0
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You're obviously watching different press conferences to the rest of us?!
23/03/2021 18:19:53 0 0
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Because we have only just got to this stage after a year.
23/03/2021 20:32:12 0 0
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In my patch of the woods, there's been no Covid deaths for months, & the seasonal death average is less than it's been for years, so the excuses are drying up now.
Even my high risk Relatives are saying enough is enough (but they have been vaccinated - Love 'em).
23/03/2021 21:09:30 1 0
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Hyperbole much. “Illegal to have friends “ fake news
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23/03/2021 13:47:33 404 82
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Time to accept that people will die from Covid for many years to come. Move the risk and decision making back to individuals as soon as possible. Restrictions were only to protect the NHS - not individual lives. If vaccination allows us to function more normally then give each of us the choice to get on with it - there is no need for gov't to make that choice for us!
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23/03/2021 13:57:22 189 273
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@"Move the risk and decision making back to individuals as soon as possible"

Totally agree

It should never have been taken away from individuals in the first place.

Government role should be to give accurate and timely information (as best as scientifically available at the time) to let the public make their own decision

The public are the country - let the public decide what the public want
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23/03/2021 14:05:00 24 28
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So the selfish can go out and have fun and everyone else will have to stay in lockdown to protect others. Sounds like a Bozo sort of world.
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23/03/2021 14:16:22 40 19
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Maybe the individual should be allowed to make decisions on drink driving or smoking in petrol stations?
This is not a situation where an individuals choices have no impact on others. In fact those decisions can be deadly to others.
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23/03/2021 15:38:25 7 4
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re "Restrictions were only to protect the NHS - not individual lives."

- Seriously?, are you that unaware of what the NHS does? The NHS treats individuals i.e. saves lives by giving treatment, and the aim was to protect their ability to do so. It was never o give the NHS and easy time if that's what you are implying.
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23/03/2021 16:00:38 2 3
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EU is full of covid mutations
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23/03/2021 13:47:56 18 18
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Good, but not the time to relax and get complacent and book a holiday
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23/03/2021 13:44:29 6 23
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YES BUT BE READY FOR A HARD WINTER! Quote!

NEXT CHRISTMAS LOCKDOWN COMING - Don't accept it!!!

Vaccination Freedom MORE LIES!
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23/03/2021 13:50:03 9 3
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plonker
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23/03/2021 13:51:52 2 1
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At Christmas you'll see who is the plonker!
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23/03/2021 13:50:07 272 117
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Ah, Professor "Pants-down" Neil Ferguson.

I think the public are sick of being lectured to by scientists who are very quick to tell us that these restrictions have to remain on our lives, but who are very slow to obey them themselves...
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23/03/2021 14:01:21 194 67
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So a scientist has not followed the rules, bit like Dominic Cummings. No excuse for the rest of us to behave without consideration for the vulnerable.
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23/03/2021 14:23:47 10 1
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Uh, so that's just one of them and not all scientists?
356
23/03/2021 14:41:03 7 9
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I’d rather listen (or ‘be lectured to’ if you prefer) a scientist than someone who expertise comes from the field of ‘I reckon.’
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23/03/2021 14:42:55 16 1
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I wonder how many lives were destroyed by the completely flawed modelling during the foot and mouth crisis.
381
23/03/2021 14:46:31 13 9
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Is that Professor '200 million will dies from Bird Flu' Ferguson or Professor 'I modelled Covid on undocumented 13 year old code designed for flu that was slated by every single computer expert that saw it' Ferguson? Or just the guy that has been wrong practically every single time he has opened his mouth since the start of Covid?
670
23/03/2021 15:38:51 5 2
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We're in very dangerous times if the public are 'sick of' listening to scientists. Who are you going to listen to instead?
23/03/2021 21:07:42 0 0
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Like Cummins ?
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23/03/2021 13:50:09 1 12
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Boris will make sure it's nothing to do with him, while UK exports are on the up, with its own variant of death to everyone else...how many vaccines did we export to those pesky foreigners?
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23/03/2021 13:51:52 9 3
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You mean the UK variant that was imported to the UK but spotted by no one else ...
73
23/03/2021 13:54:52 3 2
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So AZ didnt give the vaccine to the world? Ok got it.
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23/03/2021 13:59:29 1 2
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None, but the EU has exported vaccines. Now we are vaccinating healthy under 40s perhaps it is time to think about all those countries that don't have any vaccines. We will never get back to normal until the rich countries help the poor countries.
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23/03/2021 14:58:56 0 1
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On Friday, US drugmaker Pfizer (PFE) also waded into the row, warning the EU not to block vaccines to the UK, as it relies “heavily” on vital ingredients from Yorkshire, A Pfizer spokesman said: “We have been clear with all stakeholders that the free movement of goods and supply across borders is absolutely critical to Pfizer and the patients we serve."
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23/03/2021 13:50:14 11 10
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Not long now, pandemic is over in the UK, time to open up from 12th April. People will make their own rules once vaccinated anyway.
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23/03/2021 14:49:29 1 1
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Every adult will not be vaccinated until the Autumn at least. Then we still have to consider the South African (and possibly other) variant(s). Most people in the UK have received the AZ/Oxford vaccine which will not offer much protection against the South African variant. Besides keeping the death toll down, this should have been the primary goal of lockdown, to prevent new variants.
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23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
46
23/03/2021 13:50:40 4 4
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Say that again but make sense this time.
47
23/03/2021 13:50:52 3 19
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Highest excess death rate in the world though. Just saying.
62
23/03/2021 13:53:00 7 3
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Apparently not. Covid reported high yes but excess deaths for 2020 only 7% up - that's 30k more than 2019! Pesky statistics and reporting - only saying
64
23/03/2021 13:53:02 4 1
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Unhealthy population before Covid.....the people have the power to change this. But prefer netflix and pizza deliveries.
65
23/03/2021 13:53:05 5 1
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Not true. Why make things up
67
23/03/2021 13:53:22 5 1
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no true
38
23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
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23/03/2021 13:50:53 3 1
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Part of the discrepancy will be that in the first wave we didn’t test outside of hospitals so all those cases weren’t counted.
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
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23/03/2021 13:50:55 2 2
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Yup, everyone has died. Only zombies and undead left.

Muppet.
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23/03/2021 13:45:22 30 26
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Great news, we just need to stick with the plan and see this through.

Restrict travel to a minimum until covid is under control and the future is bright.
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23/03/2021 13:51:07 23 19
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Which plan is that. The ones where we turn into a police state where you get shot for not having the correct papers.
Sorry no thank you
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23/03/2021 13:56:41 8 5
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You wait til summer. Its gonna get mighty hot and sweaty under that tin foil hat. lol.
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23/03/2021 14:14:39 6 3
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The plan outlined by the Prime Minister for coming out of lockdown and easing restrictions. Nothing about turning into a police state in that plan.
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23/03/2021 14:51:44 3 1
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Good job that is only in your head then. No you didn't get shot.
656
23/03/2021 15:35:23 1 1
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Your thinking of Germany...
23/03/2021 19:03:54 0 0
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Which country do you live in then? Perhaps when this is over, you should consider emigrating to britain.
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23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
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23/03/2021 13:51:44 2 4
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Because we're old.
38
23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
52
23/03/2021 13:51:49 3 2
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We did so little testing of people without symptoms
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23/03/2021 15:12:01 1 1
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We test school kids and their families who have no symptoms twice every week. We've done 116 million tests, 1.7 tests for every person in the country (more than any other country with a population of more than 10 million) at a cost of £150 - £200 each. How many would satisfy you?
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23/03/2021 13:50:03 9 3
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plonker
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23/03/2021 13:51:52 2 1
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At Christmas you'll see who is the plonker!
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23/03/2021 13:55:52 0 1
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Father Christmas?
44
23/03/2021 13:50:09 1 12
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Boris will make sure it's nothing to do with him, while UK exports are on the up, with its own variant of death to everyone else...how many vaccines did we export to those pesky foreigners?
54
23/03/2021 13:51:52 9 3
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You mean the UK variant that was imported to the UK but spotted by no one else ...
465
23/03/2021 14:59:44 0 1
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Like their vaccine project , the EU Gene sequencing and Virus identification isn't very hot either.
55
23/03/2021 13:52:42 5 5
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Do we really need a HYS on this? Nothing more important going on ?
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23/03/2021 13:42:01 20 28
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Terrible loss of life, if only we had locked down sooner and harder this time last year.
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23/03/2021 13:45:50 0 5
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You mean like Sweden did?
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23/03/2021 13:45:54 12 12
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Lockdown has and will cost lives, far more than it 'saved'.
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23/03/2021 14:00:14 5 2
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is this based on facts or an opinion?
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23/03/2021 14:45:16 0 1
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More than 125,000 dead and 400,000 or more with long covid. If we hadn't had a lockdown of any sort and let the virus run through the population, hoping for "herd immunity", how many more would have died and how many more variants would have developed? How many lives has lockdown cost? Do you have numbers?
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23/03/2021 13:41:43 9 13
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3rd wave is on the way, and the 4th and the 5th new variants.
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23/03/2021 13:46:37 0 3
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You have been watching the BBC too long.
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23/03/2021 13:48:03 178 55
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I wonder if we'll ever know the true non-manipulated Covid stats? Die 'from/ of' and not die 'with'. We can all die 'with' anything if you look hard enough.
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23/03/2021 14:03:25 69 101
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Start training in medicine then,
120
23/03/2021 14:03:51 29 11
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Excess deaths don't lie.
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23/03/2021 14:07:33 13 13
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Covid will have contributed to the death.
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23/03/2021 14:12:48 22 14
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If you are so badly ravaged by the corona virus, yet survive more than 28 days and finally succumb to your systemic injuries you will not be recorded as dying of the virus. And it isn't just about the deaths. We have lost a fair part off the workforce to long covid. In the press today is an article about Kate Garraway and her husband Derek Draper. I have friends with ongoing long covid...
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23/03/2021 14:36:06 9 3
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Looking at a five year (or similar) rolling average should give you a truer picture than the bare numbers. However some countries seem to be doing advanced number cookery!
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23/03/2021 15:32:25 2 8
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Underrated comment, and so true, you could die with head lice - I doubt it would have been the cause of death!
23/03/2021 17:15:56 4 4
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According to the BBC excess deaths since the pandemic began are at 7% over the five year average so we already know the numbers that died 'from' covid and not 'with' covid. The reason you are still asking the question is that the BBC aren't telling you what those numbers are because 120K is a lot scarier number than 35K. Don't worry though they'll tell the masses once the pandemic is over...
23/03/2021 18:01:35 1 0
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What an appropriate screen name.
23/03/2021 18:16:48 0 0
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Quite right.There is a body of consumer law which hinges on that distinction..
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23/03/2021 13:40:20 11 24
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Official stats last week say 2020 deaths were up 7% which, if you do the calculation yourself, is 30,000 extra deaths than 2019. The MSM don't like to mention that because they are part of the biggest scam of the century.
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23/03/2021 13:50:05 4 8
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They don`t seem to, or like mentioning Sweden too much either.
No lockdowns, or mandatory masks and little as yet in the way of vaccines...yet a 30% better death per million than the UK and deaths now on the floor ie Herd immunity QUICKER.
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23/03/2021 13:52:54 14 9
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If you look on the bbc there is an article on you cannot get covid19 of you have a cold as the viruses cannot compete.
So in essence having lockdown and preventing prior spreading colds has cost lives
82
23/03/2021 13:56:26 3 2
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it!!!
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23/03/2021 14:02:43 1 2
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Way to fail at reading comprehension. No it didn't say that.
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23/03/2021 14:06:55 2 3
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Because clearly colds were keeping covid in check before the lockdown when people were mixing freely, but now it is out of control due to lockdown.

Brains of a saveloy
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23/03/2021 14:27:01 0 2
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But then you get over your cold, and catch Covid. Insult to injury.
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23/03/2021 16:50:54 0 0
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Please read that article carefully.

It says that the cold virus keeps Covid out for the duration of the cold, it doesn't stop you getting the virus after the cold goes, and that is after 4-5 days
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23/03/2021 13:50:52 3 19
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Highest excess death rate in the world though. Just saying.
62
23/03/2021 13:53:00 7 3
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Apparently not. Covid reported high yes but excess deaths for 2020 only 7% up - that's 30k more than 2019! Pesky statistics and reporting - only saying
Anyone else remember when lockdown was just for a few weeks to flatten the curve?

And no-one pretended that we would have to sacrifice the entirety of our civil liberties until a vaccine were found and Covid wiped out entirely.

If Boris had told us that a year ago, there would have been riots in the street of the kind that would have made Bristol look like a fun day out. And rightly so.
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23/03/2021 14:06:33 2 1
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The entirety of your civil liberties haven't gone. You can still say what you want. Go and live in a real dictatorship if you want to see what that's actually like. Grow up.
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23/03/2021 14:16:28 0 1
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It's increasingly looking like that's the only way we'll get our rights back anyway, we've just wasted a year.
47
23/03/2021 13:50:52 3 19
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Highest excess death rate in the world though. Just saying.
64
23/03/2021 13:53:02 4 1
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Unhealthy population before Covid.....the people have the power to change this. But prefer netflix and pizza deliveries.
47
23/03/2021 13:50:52 3 19
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Highest excess death rate in the world though. Just saying.
65
23/03/2021 13:53:05 5 1
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Not true. Why make things up
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23/03/2021 13:38:50 297 69
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But why stop here?

Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all so we’re exceptional and can defeat anything because us humans rule!!!!

No.

Of we course we can’t defeat death, and the sooner we accept its inevitability the sooner we can focus on getting a better quality of life, not quantity.
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Ben
23/03/2021 13:53:19 48 19
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The pandemic is likely nature's way of telling us that we're already overpopulated and living unnaturally long. But nope, humans know best. Can't wait to see what nature's got in store for us next... I bet it won't be a cough.
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23/03/2021 16:44:01 2 0
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Are you that bloke who creeps around Hyde Park with’The End is Nigh’ sign?
47
23/03/2021 13:50:52 3 19
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Highest excess death rate in the world though. Just saying.
67
23/03/2021 13:53:22 5 1
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no true
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23/03/2021 13:41:10 11 25
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"The rapid decline in deaths we have thankfully seen is entirely because of the lockdown and the rapid rollout of vaccines."

No. It's only because of the vaccines and the fact that all the vulnerable are dead.
68
23/03/2021 13:53:42 4 1
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another plonker
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DMT
23/03/2021 13:44:12 1 1
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Although just two months ago when we lost 1820 in a single day. compared with yesterday when we lost 17, does seem like a reduction ? Still if you say it’s just a pause ?
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23/03/2021 13:53:48 1 5
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Yes it is a pause, viruses don't go away. Its still there and it will be back with a vengeance and you'll all be in lockdown again because deaths will rise again...thats a pause. It will happen every year from now on until a more effective solution can be found. Every year, every winter, you will lockdown from now until a solution is found.
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23/03/2021 13:53:50 5 5
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I wonder if the quoted Neil Ferguaon is going to stick to social distancing and cautious lockdown, despite 99% vulnerable being vaccinated, or will he be hopping between his and his lovers households again?
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23/03/2021 14:52:38 0 1
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When you have a lover to die for I expect he'll be 'hopping' along with other things. ;-)
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23/03/2021 13:53:57 18 20
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There is absolutely no justification whatsoever for this continued national lockdown. When are people going to wake up to what's really happening??
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23/03/2021 14:02:57 8 2
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Go on then, enlighten us.
134
23/03/2021 14:05:31 2 2
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And what is the objective? If it is not public health?
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23/03/2021 14:06:19 2 1
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What is "really happening"?
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23/03/2021 15:55:57 1 1
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The correlation between the lockdowns and the down-slope in case/death per week numbers may, indeed, be coincidental. But using Occam's Razor I see no other factor that better explains the results last year and this (though now the vaccine may be kicking-in too).

So do please tell us what is really happening.
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23/03/2021 13:54:07 4 5
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Lockdown and masks undoubtedly reducing the usual flu deaths. Also, more people took up the flu vaccine last year to avoid getting both viruses at the same time. Pressure on NHS must surely be easing as far as these viruses are concerned.
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23/03/2021 14:51:56 0 1
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Wrong, but don't let the data (that the BBC ignores) get in the way.
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23/03/2021 13:50:09 1 12
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Boris will make sure it's nothing to do with him, while UK exports are on the up, with its own variant of death to everyone else...how many vaccines did we export to those pesky foreigners?
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23/03/2021 13:54:52 3 2
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So AZ didnt give the vaccine to the world? Ok got it.
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23/03/2021 13:55:06 10 10
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We should stay in lockdown until 2024 .....

After which time we should then open everything up, but very gradually, and adopting a new 'gold standard' tier system.

Tiers 10 to 1 across the country (10 being the harshest of course, in which you are not allowed to open your curtains before 11am). This needs to remain in place until nobody dies of anything remotely related to coronavirus.
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23/03/2021 14:04:41 2 1
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sounds about as sensible as having a vaccine but then deliberately choosing to infect people who are likely to end up in hospital before they can have the vaccine.
Just crazy in the opposite direction
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23/03/2021 14:56:16 0 1
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What, that is madness, you are accepting people are going to die We should remain in Tier 10 until no one dies! Every death is a tragedy - so don't let anyone have a life because it will cost lives. (at least that seems to be the current Covid Cult Credo)
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75
23/03/2021 13:55:25 3 2
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All journalists: "Hmpf, does that mean I now have to do some proper work."
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23/03/2021 13:55:49 90 33
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the rates stated are for deaths for any reason for people who have tested positive in the last 28 days but how many of those would have died anyway even if they had tested negative
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23/03/2021 14:02:56 40 83
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very few
149
23/03/2021 14:08:41 8 9
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Covid will have increased their mortality rate. It will have weakened people even if it wasn't the primary cause of death.
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23/03/2021 14:25:52 12 8
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No, the weekly death rates published by ONS are overall deaths; we are within the 5 year average death rate range for the time of year. The NHS no longer overwhelmed, death rates average; where's the rational for extending even further the lockdown measures. Time to live with this viral challenge in the same way we have adapted to others in the past.
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23/03/2021 14:37:15 5 3
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Given that anyone entering, or in hospital or a care home is tested regularly and you aren't often admitted to either if you are in the best of health, probably a fair few. Backed up by the ratio of covid to excess deaths suggesting that closing the NHS for a year has had NO effect on mortality, something even the harshest critic of the NHS would not accept.
362
23/03/2021 14:42:16 4 1
bbc
Exactly The statistics the government choose are those which they hope reflect the situation. They are not accurate, they are indicators. Only the ONS can produce reliable data because they look at the detail on death certificates. Deaths don't need to be registered for 5 days so the ONS is always looking at relatively old data so the ONS data is always a week or so later. NHS data is daily.
823
23/03/2021 16:17:06 1 0
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Many caught covid in Hospital, being treated for something else! Shocking!! How did Capt. Tom catch it, and subsequently die!!
77
23/03/2021 13:55:51 63 39
bbc
This is a sensitive subject and many people are grieving.

I'm not sure opening this up for commentary is such a good idea.
321
23/03/2021 14:36:52 85 56
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Many people have had a year of their lives stolen too.

Seventy million of us in fact.

How about some compassion for them too?
369
23/03/2021 14:44:05 16 14
bbc
500,000 on average die every year, curious that they are ignored, only Covid matters.
544
23/03/2021 15:13:24 5 4
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Imagine being afraid of facts
674
23/03/2021 15:39:33 8 3
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Many have lost someone - some genuinely to the disease and others, where the next infection was going to be the last may have had their perspective twisted by being told it was all about covid. Others have lost loved ones where inadequate access to treatments were to blame. Others have lost forever the chance of a child. We must not be silenced on any side - that serves the control agenda.
911
23/03/2021 16:41:56 15 2
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Quote: "This is a sensitive subject and many people are grieving. "
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Every year many people grieve for lost loved ones. This year about 10x as many people have grieved for lost loved ones who died from causes totally unrelated to Covid.

Yet a perception seems to have developed to publicly forget any deaths that aren't related to Covid. And the BBC has not helped.
53
23/03/2021 13:51:52 2 1
bbc
At Christmas you'll see who is the plonker!
78
23/03/2021 13:55:52 0 1
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Father Christmas?
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DMT
23/03/2021 13:56:01 672 54
bbc
This is good news, which is bad news for those who don’t like good news. ( of which there are surprisingly many . )
278
23/03/2021 14:27:37 197 21
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Oh so true.
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IJB
23/03/2021 14:51:25 42 8
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The media
471
23/03/2021 15:00:42 37 4
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I am surprised that you have got so few 'thumbs downs' with that "surprisingly many" that you rightly talk about. Gloomy bunch!

(I gave you a 'thumbs up'!!)
509
23/03/2021 15:05:46 48 17
bbc
Too many people have become to comfortable in their lockdown life and they are terrified of a return to normality.
565
23/03/2021 15:17:33 45 51
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The only people who claim that others like bad news are those who try to dismiss or diminish the arguments of others.

Urging caution also doesnt mean we want lockdown to continue forever, but i see that hyperbole used by the right all the time. Its like there is no grey areas to life for many of you
582
23/03/2021 15:19:56 33 10
bbc
We need to reiterate that courage is a virtue, so many people need to stop being afraid
609
23/03/2021 15:25:11 31 18
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Thinking that there should be a lockdown (to save lives etc) is not the same as wanting a lockdown. Just because they disagree with your viewpoint, doesn't mean they actively want bad news.
That are certainly a lot of contrary HYS users who do not like to hear any good news. BBC haters being a prime example. Tell them the good news that there are hundreds of alternative providers, and they choose not to listen. Preferring to continue with the misery they get from using the BBC!
668
23/03/2021 15:38:25 4 4
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On the surface it is good news, although those that would have normally died will die soon. I suspect that we will see an increase in deaths over the 5 year average during the winter months. As influenza has been stopped in its tracks, the immunity that countries normally build up during this period won’t have happened.
685
23/03/2021 15:43:57 9 9
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Oh so true. Good news is bad news for those who moan for the sake of it; they have to find something else to moan about...
709
23/03/2021 15:49:13 15 17
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"This is good news, which is bad news for those who don’t like good news. ( of which there are surprisingly many . )"

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You should have just written "This is good news" and left it at that without adding your silly opinion.
759
23/03/2021 16:01:30 4 7
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Why would 18 people ~6/7% of replies, think that fewer deaths is bad!!! I can only assume they are the small selfish minority that thrive on ruining things for others and care about nothing but themselves.
778
23/03/2021 16:07:48 14 1
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You do all understand that excess death rates ALWAYS level off...and a lower than average death always follows a higher than average rate.

This is because, and I don't want to shock anyone, you can only die once.

This is phenomenon occurs more quickly the older the victims of the disaster, war, pandemic are.
785
23/03/2021 15:58:37 4 10
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don't worry 3rd wave from EU is coming as UK still has borders open
845
23/03/2021 16:24:34 0 1
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Newspapers, radio, tv . . .
986
23/03/2021 16:54:20 3 1
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This is also good news for those who like to make out that there are a lot of people who don't like good news.
SP
23/03/2021 17:24:38 4 1
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Not good news for many category of people now

1. Ultra lefties who hate democratically elected UK govt just because they hate Tories

2. EU fanatics ( they are different from not normal remainers)

And
3. UK hating SNP followers
23/03/2021 19:21:42 0 1
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Likely fake news :)
23/03/2021 20:15:14 1 1
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Noah tried to help people but was labelled “ Project fear “
23/03/2021 20:25:33 0 3
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Yes the BBC is main 1 doom and gloom shoddy reporting throughout pandemic
23/03/2021 20:27:03 2 1
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Sadly the current figure is the result of the excessive death rates in the last 2 waves of uncontrolled infection rates.
80
23/03/2021 13:56:19 23 19
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So less people are dying and we are all still locked up ... why ?
110
23/03/2021 14:02:31 37 10
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Because the objective is not to kill lots of people off, 3000 admitted to hospital last week with covid, remove restrictions and it will go up every week.
A vaccine does not do anything if it is administered after catching covid.
Vaccines are very cheap and save a lot of lives, hospital treatment for covid is very expensive and saves fewer lives.
799
23/03/2021 16:06:43 0 3
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soon as they ease lockdown it will climb again. EU is full of covid
38
23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
81
23/03/2021 13:56:20 6 2
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all countries count cases and deaths differently so direct comparrisions is always a nightmare - and as someone else has stated, we are an older population than many on the list - Covid has hit the oldest much more heavily than the younger.
61
23/03/2021 13:52:54 14 9
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If you look on the bbc there is an article on you cannot get covid19 of you have a cold as the viruses cannot compete.
So in essence having lockdown and preventing prior spreading colds has cost lives
82
23/03/2021 13:56:26 3 2
bbc
Hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it!!!
302
23/03/2021 14:31:30 1 1
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Not really, there were lots of articles around last year about the common cold providing a significant degree of immunity against covid, but you wouldn't find any of them reported in the mainstream media and SAGE discredited them because it didn't fit their agenda. Another thing that Whitty and his collaborators should be called to account for
361
23/03/2021 14:42:09 0 2
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Except opponents of lock-down of the healthy and immune were around from the start, and were only kept quiet by the announcement '3 weeks to flatten the curve and protect the NHS' - Peter Hitchens has been proven right all along, we won't be getting our freedoms back without a fight.
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23/03/2021 13:38:50 297 69
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But why stop here?

Why not go the whole hog and try to eliminate deaths entirely?

We’re humans after all so we’re exceptional and can defeat anything because us humans rule!!!!

No.

Of we course we can’t defeat death, and the sooner we accept its inevitability the sooner we can focus on getting a better quality of life, not quantity.
83
23/03/2021 13:56:31 43 13
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I don't think you understand.
The only reason people die is because of "selfish deniers".
Just look at 2019: No one died then. In fact, we didn't even have a word for death.
23/03/2021 18:10:22 0 0
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INDEED I HAVE CHECKED THE EGG TIMERS.
23/03/2021 22:17:39 0 0
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????????
24/03/2021 01:35:05 0 0
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No one died in 2019? Really!!! Wow. A miracle. Not one person? of anything? Wow! Now read your comment again and see how wrong it is.
50
23/03/2021 13:51:07 23 19
bbc
Which plan is that. The ones where we turn into a police state where you get shot for not having the correct papers.
Sorry no thank you
84
23/03/2021 13:56:41 8 5
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You wait til summer. Its gonna get mighty hot and sweaty under that tin foil hat. lol.
Why open this to Have Your Say, when you know it's just giving the loonies a platform? Removed
85
23/03/2021 13:56:47 5 2
bbc
Indeed, there are many extreme views doing the rounds, views that I simply can not compute. It astonishes me to see how selfish so many people are. I honestly thought the brits were better than this.
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86
23/03/2021 13:56:48 40 18
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bbc failing to understand statistics yet again.

An average is, by definition, mid-range. So values below average should be, broadly speaking, just about as common as values above.

But still, it's good that the death rate has fallen.
295
23/03/2021 14:31:56 32 8
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The BBC understand the difference between mean, mode and modal class and how they relate to trends. But at the end of the day they are journalists so go for the headline that grabs attention.
The BBC do bring on to the screens their statisticians who do explain the trends. They say all is looking good now but beware single readings. It's not over yet and many things can effect the recovery.
349
23/03/2021 14:40:25 2 7
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Try putting the country under house arrest for lower than average mortality figures and you'll soon discover there is a vast difference.
825
23/03/2021 16:18:14 6 1
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Average by definition is not mid-range.

The mid-range for life expectancy is around 55 years. People die at 0 they die at every age up 110 or so. The average is nearer 80 years, because the number of people of each age is taken into account and nobody is 160.
38
23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
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23/03/2021 13:57:04 4 2
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1. We test more than any other country in the world - fact - therefore we find more cases.

2. The ONS independently and objectively reports all deaths, other countries don't, e.g Russia 80k official deaths, actual excess deaths 400k
Why open this to Have Your Say, when you know it's just giving the loonies a platform? Removed
88
23/03/2021 13:57:15 5 1
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I can appreciate that you believe that the opinions, observations and experiences of the rest of us should not be given an airing, but that is the price you pay for your Sovereign democracy... or is your version of democracy exclusive only to the few who follow your way of thinking?
184
23/03/2021 14:11:46 2 5
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Democracy? Have you not been watching what's been going on for the last year?
89
23/03/2021 13:57:20 14 12
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As these restrictions become ever more patently unnecessary and nonsensical, the more people will just ignore them.

The British people will only tolerate tyranny for so long.
103
23/03/2021 14:00:27 7 7
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Really. I think the public will tolerate the new police state for years to come. And then it will be to late
126
23/03/2021 14:04:35 2 1
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"tyranny" eh? You have no idea how lucky Brits are.....
199
23/03/2021 14:15:54 1 2
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Disagree. We do not yet know what effect schools reopening had. Any general unlocking at this time will confuse the trace of cause so a bit at a time is justified. To me travelling is the main factor and though traffic is higher now it is nowhere near normal yet. If we want to continue unlocking irreversibly we have to understand the effect or if infections rise, to go to a full lock down again.
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23/03/2021 13:47:33 404 82
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Time to accept that people will die from Covid for many years to come. Move the risk and decision making back to individuals as soon as possible. Restrictions were only to protect the NHS - not individual lives. If vaccination allows us to function more normally then give each of us the choice to get on with it - there is no need for gov't to make that choice for us!
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23/03/2021 13:57:22 189 273
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@"Move the risk and decision making back to individuals as soon as possible"

Totally agree

It should never have been taken away from individuals in the first place.

Government role should be to give accurate and timely information (as best as scientifically available at the time) to let the public make their own decision

The public are the country - let the public decide what the public want
111
23/03/2021 14:02:32 51 13
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Unfortunately there are still to many idiots around who think none of the advice is applicable to them! they themselves are a danger to anyone.
132
23/03/2021 14:05:23 49 12
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Unfortunately the general public don't know much about virology. It's better to be lead by people who know what they are talking about rather than listening to Dave down the pub.
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23/03/2021 14:08:08 21 7
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Look where that's got us.....
227
23/03/2021 14:20:32 30 6
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That might work if the public did not include idiots.
232
23/03/2021 14:21:01 7 22
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true and given the tolls in Care Homes and Hospitals where there are supposedly expert infection control teams, best practices and the extensive PPE, one wonders how many more of the Covid the New Black Death myths are going to finally be exploded once the facts are allowed to be published (and No I'm not saying it is HMG preventing the MSM from publishing, they self censor.)
280
23/03/2021 14:28:32 3 7
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Boring Boring Boring. Change the record.
488
23/03/2021 15:02:43 3 1
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That’s not the sort of democracy we have in the UK
537
23/03/2021 15:12:13 5 2
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No - the ring fence didn't need to be the whole country, I agree - but unless we start by 100% protecting the vulnerable, we will lose our humanity

Care home debacle was shocking & shaming in equal measure

If a heart surgeon operates, but doesn't bother to be sterile/hygienic & you die...

- Is exactly the same as we've done to many vulnerable elderly

NEVER events are meant to be just that
630
23/03/2021 15:30:26 4 3
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Governments role is to govern, the clue is in the word. The public voted in the Government hence the public has decided.
Really some people are thick as pig droppings.
852
23/03/2021 16:24:57 1 1
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They would surprise you judging by the YouGov Polls.
868
23/03/2021 16:29:59 2 2
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Is anarchy really such a good form of infection control?

It fails when those at low personal risk decide not to bother about those at high risk

Moving restrictions to the borders and leaving the general population relatively free has worked very well for those that went that way, but even they have some controls.
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23/03/2021 13:47:08 4 6
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If you look at the coronavirus worldwide website and check ‘cases per million population’ the uk is 32nd in the world. ‘Deaths per million’ we are 8th! Can someone explain that and before you answer ‘slow lockdown’, that’s cases. Why so many deaths to so few cases????
91
23/03/2021 13:51:41 3 2
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Obesity. Unhealthy lifestyle (sugar, saturated fat, alcohol).
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23/03/2021 14:11:32 3 3
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sugar, saturated fat, alcohol - the three essential food groups
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23/03/2021 13:40:20 11 24
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Official stats last week say 2020 deaths were up 7% which, if you do the calculation yourself, is 30,000 extra deaths than 2019. The MSM don't like to mention that because they are part of the biggest scam of the century.
92
23/03/2021 13:52:16 5 2
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Even if it's only 30,000 compared to 120,000 thats still 30,000 people that have died. Would you have volunteered to be one of those, or is it just okay because it's other people dying?
172
23/03/2021 14:12:01 0 6
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Noone can stop deaths. 30,000 extra deaths is the same as a bad flu year. In fact 2017 and 2018 had more deaths than 2020 but we didn't place everyone under house arrest did we?
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23/03/2021 13:39:45 7 20
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Deaths are below average because everyone has died. This is not a good news item. Lots of deaths that have been premature and all we are seeing now is a pause, not a reduction.
93
23/03/2021 13:53:51 2 1
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Hate to state the bleeding obvious...but with the UK having approx 550k-600k deaths per year....every year...one could say "Death is an ongoing process!".
One more thing...again stating the obvious.....even if covid was wiped out tomorrow, death would continue, as it always does, at ave 82 years old in the UK.
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23/03/2021 14:04:12 2 3
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Yes exactly the point im making and you are having trouble understanding. Deaths have fallen below average because all those people that would have died have been taken prematurely by covid. Its temporarily run out of victims, its a pause, its not a reduction. Deaths will increase again next winter even with the vaccination program. They may even increase sooner.
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23/03/2021 13:42:45 113 78
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How much 'quantity' would you sacrifice for 'quality'?
94
23/03/2021 13:58:47 60 8
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I think it depends on what you consider to be a decent quality of life.

I can't get any NHS healthcare, or holiday, or socialise but I can go to work 60 hours a week, so to me that's exponentially poor.

If you think that's a fair standard of living then kill me now.
452
23/03/2021 14:57:25 6 5
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You should be starting to see an improvement in NHS healthcare, now the number of covid patients has started to decrease. Having said that, if we followed your advice, it would be much harder for much longer to get any.
989
23/03/2021 16:55:02 2 2
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You lack imagination. People who are more creative have learned new skills during these difficult times and have bloomed. It's not forever!
95
23/03/2021 13:58:52 1 5
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What's the difference? China has used the pandemic as opportunity to invade the seas and islands to its south. Tories have used the pandemic to shift billions of tax payers money to their mates and not report half of it, effectively 'lost', and to bring in draconian Police state laws. I fill sorry for any recent Hong Kong immigrants to the UK.
122
23/03/2021 14:03:55 2 1
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Hogwash - there is no similarity between temporary infection control measures and the kind of political oppression they have in Hong Kong
Then you are an idiot, in China, upset the State and you disappear and end up providing organs on demand to foreign transplant tourists. We haven't yet got there, but the 'assumption of opting in' to organ donation and the threat of a left wing Socialist mob in power, it is possible. Then former HK residents would have moved on I suspect or vote to keep out socialists! Removed
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23/03/2021 13:40:12 438 20
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Let's hope the vaccines are the main thing responsible here, and we can banish lockdowns for good!
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23/03/2021 13:59:04 239 965
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Lockdowns were never necessary.

You could achieve the same end results by giving responsibility to the public and letting the public adapt their behaviour of their own accord.

Just look at how there wasn't a spike at christmas when rules were relaxed - that's because people are capable of adapting their behaviour appropriately without mandatory lockdown rules.
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23/03/2021 14:02:48 277 27
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There was clearly an increase in both infections and deaths just after Christmas.
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23/03/2021 14:03:17 233 18
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There was a spike, it was about 2 weeks after Christmas and why we went back into lockdown. The infection and incubation time of the virus to spread and infect and then hospitalise isn't instant. The graphs clearly show that every time socialising increased, infections rose within the following 4 weeks. This is basic science.
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23/03/2021 14:03:55 141 15
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'people are capable of adapting their behaviour appropriately without mandatory lockdown rules' - I don't wish to kick off a speed date with you, but no they're not.

Which completely invalidates your first statement.

Which is a shame because you should in fact be 100% correct.

So, if only.
133
23/03/2021 14:05:26 178 24
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Where did you study? What science qualifications do you have? Oh, that's right, you learnt off the internet and havent a clue what you're talking about
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23/03/2021 14:05:50 52 124
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and the vast majority of the public is virtually immune. As Sweden admitted, and the rest of Europe conspicuously refuses to do so, had we locked down and protected the care homes better the death toll could be 50% or more lower and then it is in the bad flu range.
156
23/03/2021 14:09:34 114 15
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Look at the data instead of spreading fake news. There was a spike 7 to 10 days after Christmas, which equates to the tip incubation period for covid
158
23/03/2021 14:09:43 64 20
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You are wrong. Look at the evidence from across the globe.
161
23/03/2021 14:09:29 25 10
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yeah let people decide like having protests and riots, great thinking
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Jon
23/03/2021 14:11:17 10 14
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The elite don't trust the public.....they don't trust them to vote either...we're all just knuckle draggers who need to be told what to do.
181
23/03/2021 14:13:30 21 7
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like in bristol, london, glasgow, liverpool?
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23/03/2021 14:14:43 28 13
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We did after lockdown last year and what happened?

People thought it was over, relaxed the attention to minimising transmission at every opportunity and we got rising cases and further measures.

Unfortunately adult behaviour and socially responsible behaviour are nowhere near as prevalent as we need it to be to allow the government to treat us like you wish.
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23/03/2021 14:18:09 36 11
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What planet have you just arrived from?
231
23/03/2021 14:20:55 18 7
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Look at what happened in Bristol, do those people look like they are responsible enough to adapt their behaviour on their own accord?
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PH
23/03/2021 14:24:21 10 6
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Sorry but didn’t we go into lockdown around that time due to increased spread and deaths. Or am I the one making uniformed comments?
256
23/03/2021 14:24:30 10 25
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So true, all these idiots who want to cower under a rock but want everyone else to suffer too.
270
23/03/2021 14:26:23 4 13
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The figures make you 110% wrong just as it did with brexit
275
23/03/2021 14:27:22 14 8
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Boring nonsense as always.
276
23/03/2021 14:27:34 16 9
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Absolute rubbish and misinformation. Go and check your FACTS|!
300
23/03/2021 14:30:09 7 6
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Jan 4th was the second highest ever infections recorded in one day. You really couldn't be more wrong. However, it's impossible to tell how much of that was due to Christmas and how much due to the Kent variant
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23/03/2021 14:34:40 10 6
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God help us if we hadn't had lockdowns, the behaviour of some has been bad enough with them. I wish I had so much faith in human nature. The majority have acted responsibly but quite frankly some couldn't have cared less.
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VoR
23/03/2021 14:35:00 12 8
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No, you can't. Countries that didn't lock down performed worse than their peers. And before you say Sweden, see how that compares to its neighbours.
351
23/03/2021 14:40:30 9 4
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"You could achieve the same end results by giving responsibility to the public and letting the public adapt their behaviour of their own accord."

No you couldn't. Humans are really bad at judging the impact of their actions on other people. If they were, you wouldn't have pollution or traffic congestion. Or people holding house parties in a pandemic.
360
23/03/2021 14:42:01 7 5
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"You could achieve the same end results by giving responsibility to the public and letting the public adapt their behaviour of their own accord."

That was tried in March last year BEFORE the lockdown. Sadly the public did not show that they were adapting their behaviour responsibly. So we ended up in lockdown.
367
23/03/2021 14:43:11 6 9
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Always one sad little.......yawn
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23/03/2021 14:52:00 8 7
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On the 25th December there were 32,725 positive tests. 2 weeks later on the 8th January there were 68,053 positive tests.

It took until the 24th January (30,004 positive tests) before the number of daily positive tests fell below the figure from the 25th December.

You might say there wasn't a spike in cases but the evidence doesn't support your statement.
424
23/03/2021 14:52:15 7 2
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"...giving responsibility to the public"

Ah, bless.
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23/03/2021 13:45:22 30 26
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Great news, we just need to stick with the plan and see this through.

Restrict travel to a minimum until covid is under control and the future is bright.
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23/03/2021 13:59:12 11 7
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Covid is under control. The NHS is no longer at risk. The vulnerable are vaccinated. What more do you want? Cower behind your sofa forever if you want, let the rest of us get on with our lives.
200
23/03/2021 14:16:11 3 2
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I sit on my sofa......you're not using it correctly, do you need an instruction manual?
23/03/2021 19:05:25 0 0
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Oh, please pay attention. The restrictions are already being lifted, this is only temporary, the end is in sight.
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23/03/2021 13:59:20 199 113
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Have you ever heard the story of the man who stayed in bed all day in case he made a mistake and then woke up one day and realised he had made the biggest mistake of all, he had wasted his life ... lockdown has made us all that man ... time to get on with our life's
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23/03/2021 14:02:39 160 67
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BS - we are so near the end in the UK this would be a terrible error. HMG has finally got it right - a gradually relaxation as rates drop & vaccination levels rise is the right approach
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23/03/2021 14:02:46 10 22
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Best comment
992
23/03/2021 16:55:40 1 2
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...least he got to stay in bed!
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23/03/2021 13:50:09 1 12
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Boris will make sure it's nothing to do with him, while UK exports are on the up, with its own variant of death to everyone else...how many vaccines did we export to those pesky foreigners?
99
23/03/2021 13:59:29 1 2
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None, but the EU has exported vaccines. Now we are vaccinating healthy under 40s perhaps it is time to think about all those countries that don't have any vaccines. We will never get back to normal until the rich countries help the poor countries.
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23/03/2021 14:10:03 3 1
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The EU hasn't exported any vaccines. Private pharma companies operating in the EU have, based on their legal contracts with other countries. The Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine was developed in the UK and is being produced by the Anglo-Swedish AstraZeneca group in many different countries. It is widely used all over the world as we have 'exported' the means to produce it- and have made no money from it
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23/03/2021 15:02:26 0 1
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The EU has done no exporting , Pfizer and AZ have, AND the EU has banned (like Biden) exports. One reason India can't produce all the vaccines the UK ordered. The EU also have 'stockpiles' of the AZ vaccine they whinge at not having. Stockpiles because they lied about its effects and now people refuse it and it sits on shelves in fridges - in the UK we inject it into people. The EU is despicable
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You know there are 4 stories on this site related to Covid, 4! There is 24/7 coverage in TV, pages and pages in the papers...Time to stop. One 5 minute bulletin a day is plenty. No wonder some people are scared silly. This cannot continue being the be all of everything any more. Take a look around, lockdown? Look outside. People are making their own decisions. Enough of the science and bullshit. Removed