Coronavirus: Third wave will 'wash up on our shores', warns Johnson
22/03/2021 | news | politics | 8,222
Boris Johnson says the UK will "feel effects" of growing case numbers in Europe amid a row over vaccines.
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22/03/2021 13:44:05 1540 195
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Cases may well go up again, but with vaccine doses now given to over half our adult population, covering almost everyone most vulnerable to death and/or hospitalisation, the concern should be much lower.

Like with other respiratory viruses, it’s time we accept risk will never be zero and ensure a balance between covid and non-covid health risks is reached.
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22/03/2021 13:48:06 214 347
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except asthmatics
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22/03/2021 13:49:50 53 236
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It's about stopping our health care being overwhelmed. The SA variant worries me, I see nothing in the news that has anything positive to say about the efficacy of AZ.

At this rate I can foresee limited restrictions continuing (hospitality etc.). Teetotals will be pleased.
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22/03/2021 13:50:33 66 43
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The 4 downvotes are odd but sadly there will be more and those people will think your comment is somehow unreasonable or offensive.
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22/03/2021 13:53:58 207 7
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Yep. The whole population could catch it as long it doesn’t overwhelm the NHS.
Patients in my local hospital halved last week, 90 to 45.
The vaccine programme is working.
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22/03/2021 13:57:47 121 109
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This is a much more dangerous disease than a cold. Let's not forget
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22/03/2021 14:01:32 32 53
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So to look after those who cannot adapt due to medical requirements how much money should we spend to make their lives loveable and affordable.

Get employers to asses job and home to enable home working?

Modify homes with “hermetic” porches etc

The price of letting everyone else get on with it?
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22/03/2021 14:03:20 93 5
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I think we will reach an odd place late April with no deaths on consecutive days, but quite high cases.
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22/03/2021 14:06:12 50 101
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Only 2.2 million people have received their second dose and full protection doesn't occur until then.

You've been blinded by the single dose figure without acknowledging the need of dose number 2 before we can get out of this.
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22/03/2021 14:21:45 17 4
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It won't be until June or so (strangely enough when they have planned for removal of restrictions) that our vulnerable adult population will have all had their 2nd dose. Then at that point there should be a much lower risk of high cases leading to high hospitalisations. If they are mostly milder cases from then on then we can actually live with it.
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22/03/2021 14:22:08 26 11
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Quite right. More cases but much lower number of serious cases demonstrating the effectiveness of the vaccine. More people will contract it and never know it. Risk will never be zero and, like flu, we learn to live with it with minimum possible restrictions. Originally a non-Brexiteer I can only wonder how much worse it would be now if we were still in the EU and vaccine roll out was at a crawl!
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22/03/2021 14:24:23 11 11
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The current vaccines have sufficient efficacy against the variants currently widespread in the UK to prevent those who have had both doses of a vaccine from needing hospital treatment. When we have sufficient coverage that will stop the NHS from being over-whelmed.

If we throw our borders we WILL, sooner or later, find we have a third wave based on a new variant that the vaccines don't touch.
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22/03/2021 14:26:39 6 2
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We'll only be covered if Virus mutations do not 'escape' the Vaccine or mutations begin to seriously affect children.
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22/03/2021 14:20:13 6 22
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'covering almost everyone most vulnerable to death and/or hospitalisation, the concern should be much lower. '

Evidence. Thousands have died after having the vaccine. Thousands more will die during 3rd wave.
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22/03/2021 14:28:33 21 13
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Exactly, getting us to live the whole of our lives in fear when the vulnerable have all been vaccinated is disgracefully irresponsible. I am in the vulnerable group, but it is pathetic to expect us all to cower in the corners all our lives wearing masks for years on end! Get a grip people, its time we got our lives back and stopped hiding! It is what it is, life is a risk, accept it!
VoR
22/03/2021 14:41:02 3 3
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It won't be time to do that until we've can control the spread of variants.

Normally, we see those variant arise elsewhere, and we update our vaccines and administer them in advance, in an attempt to keep those variants under control, which also reduces the likelihood of further mutation.

In this case, we haven't yet updated vaccines and administered them. So your argument is misplaced.
22/03/2021 14:43:56 2 1
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A good point, however not your call.
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22/03/2021 13:44:45 39 33
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getting the excuses in early for missing his roadmap deadlines....
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22/03/2021 13:47:35 29 16
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Roadmap deadlines were not promises.
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22/03/2021 13:48:34 12 7
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Yep. Let's make sure we get our politically biased points in early. Avoids having to understand reality. Ignorance is bliss.
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22/03/2021 13:51:23 9 7
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When will people realise that it the virus that is running this show, not our government or anybody elses government. Nobody can predict the future and nobody can control it. We just have to react to it.
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22/03/2021 13:55:39 7 1
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I mean the week before the roadmap was announced he literally was saying 'data not dates' so that's long been the case ... although he did of course undermind that be giving dates
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22/03/2021 13:44:48 29 14
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That’s Christmas cancelled.
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22/03/2021 13:52:45 24 7
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Not quite yet, my friend. We might just get enough people vaccinated to stop the spread of the currently dominant strain in the UK and contain the SA virus as a result. Fingers crossed...
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22/03/2021 13:54:45 2 5
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... for the next 10 years at least!
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22/03/2021 13:57:38 5 1
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Or that’s many months to come up with new ways of doing Christmas
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22/03/2021 14:12:54 3 3
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Only Christmas, I think life as we knew it if you keep listening to all the doom mongers!
22/03/2021 17:16:37 3 0
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It was supposed to be last year but people did not listen
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22/03/2021 13:44:53 33 40
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more and more scaremongering, no matter how many people get vaccinated, this government has no intention of letting us get back to normal and get on with our lives...
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22/03/2021 13:49:43 27 10
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And why would they do that? They know that restrictions are damaging the economy and are politically damaging so why wouldn't they want to get back to normal asap?
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22/03/2021 13:49:55 6 7
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Of course they don't, I wonder when people will realise, when they're stop letting their egos get in the way of admitting the truth
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22/03/2021 13:51:32 10 16
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This government has got a taste for controlling the population.
Removing freedoms ,
They want to keep that control ,
Permit to travel abroad
Stay in your local area
No protests
If they can get total control of the media ,,,,,welcome to N. Korea
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22/03/2021 14:37:20 8 2
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Why would they want to prevent us getting back to normal Alex? Genuine question.
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22/03/2021 13:44:55 122 53
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Why can’t boris talk plainly?
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22/03/2021 13:50:08 163 97
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He should write it on the side of a bus. Then it's definitely true....
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22/03/2021 13:51:33 10 7
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Have you ever heard any politician anywhere ever talk plainly?
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22/03/2021 13:52:58 20 24
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Because the EU didn't acquise to his begging.

He went to the EU (virtually) to beg that they don't block vaccines coming to the UK

The EU would give him no such assurances, and reminded him that virus circulating in the EU would get to the UK anyhow, so it's in his interests as well that the EU get their fair share of vaccines

The UK isn't in the EU, so has lost it's direct say

Brexit reality
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22/03/2021 13:55:35 11 12
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Can't you understand English there are few definite's in the pandemic
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22/03/2021 14:01:19 19 13
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He does. Its just he generally does it in latin so no one can understand that hes lying/so he sounds intelligent. Alas!
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hvr
22/03/2021 14:21:40 15 12
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Because to talk plainly you need to know what you're talking about.
22/03/2021 15:40:27 6 1
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He talks English. What in earth is your problem? If you don't understand then maybe consider night classes
22/03/2021 15:47:09 2 4
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He can't just say '12th of April? Nothings going to open, and you can forget about all the other things i said ever happening', he needs to put out scare stories gradually so that the permanently terrified start begging to just be put under house arrest forever.
22/03/2021 16:29:54 0 3
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He only talks in a version of Latin so nobody can understand him. At least that works.
22/03/2021 16:41:14 3 1
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Far too intelligent for you to understand
22/03/2021 19:33:30 1 1
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He does....Johnson language is woffel woffel and more bloody woffel
22/03/2021 22:43:58 1 1
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Because he is a born lier
23/03/2021 09:21:11 0 0
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and without saying 'erm' every third word
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22/03/2021 13:45:04 29 7
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But what about the vaccines?
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22/03/2021 13:48:11 48 42
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1) Vaccines are not 100% effective 2) Many people won't have them 3) They stop people getting as ill/dying but vaccinated people can still catch and transmit the virus.
23/03/2021 09:00:02 0 0
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My quest exactly. I thought they were the way out!
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22/03/2021 13:45:29 741 280
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Given the idiots protesting about the lockdown this week, a third wave in the UK is inevitable.
Probably already stated.
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22/03/2021 13:50:03 686 147
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Exactly, this comment nails it, why bother worrying about the EU when we have enough idiots here spreading it with no care.
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22/03/2021 13:55:02 33 72
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perhaps sending over 10 millions kids back to school at once may also have an impact
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22/03/2021 13:54:19 13 49
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It did, the moment the schools reopened.
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22/03/2021 14:06:31 55 30
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Why would we have another lockdown? We have a vaccine and half of adults have had it.

We're approaching herd immunity and freedom.
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22/03/2021 14:09:28 37 33
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Protests, however much you may object to them politically, don't cause any noticeable rise in cases. When things are locked down or not do. Its fairly simple. Follow the science.
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22/03/2021 14:13:01 41 41
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I suspect you wouldn’t say that if they were protesting something you cared about. Either you respect people’s right to protest or you don’t. If you are someone who doesn’t, I pity you and your approach to democracy.
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22/03/2021 14:15:42 22 25
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I remember this argument from last May and BLM, not to mention all the crowds on the beaches and in national parks. Second wave never materialised.

Give up your freedoms if you want and hide behind your sofa, but some of us like having the right to protest.
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22/03/2021 14:19:58 7 8
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Well 3 wave has been building in EU.
Is UK closing borders with EU?
Why not?
And previous waves it has been proven UK imported 1000s of covid outbreaks from EU.
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22/03/2021 14:28:01 22 35
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You represent everything wrong with this country. You call people idiots who are asking for nothing more than their freedoms and right to carry on with their lives. We sleepwalk closer to a police state every day because of sheep like you who actually seem to be enjoying this lockdown nightmare! Stay locked up at home if you want but don't call people with an actual backbone idiots!
22/03/2021 14:51:21 6 6
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Spot on. Lets put these idiots on the front line to manage the consequences of covid breaches and keep people safe. Unpaid service.
22/03/2021 14:54:25 12 12
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When do you support leaving house arrest and having lives? Or should we just save 50 years of staring at a wall and top ourselves?

You told us to wait for a vaccine. You told us the vulnerable had to immunised.

Done that. So?

What new condition are you inventing? What’s the end game?
22/03/2021 15:04:33 8 11
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I don't think they're protesting lockdown - more the gov't passing legislation to criminalise peaceful protest...?

I'd say it's more idiotic to sit by and let them take away our human rights (although the 'defund the police' nonsense adopted from the US can do one; our police are already being defunded by the Tories).
22/03/2021 15:22:44 11 6
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Chris Whitty was asked a couple of weeks back if there was any evidence that there was any spikes in infections after protests, he said no.

So you have got yourself in to such frenzy that you ignore the scientific evidence and create your own.
22/03/2021 15:36:20 4 6
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That's what happens when you give in to the 'I know my Human Rights'. brigade, and let them hold an illegal 'peace' protest. Who would have dreamt there would trouble? Especially under the eye of 'social media aware' Softly, Softly, Policing.
22/03/2021 15:36:37 9 4
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Is anybody that holds a different view to yours and willing to protest it idiotic by any chance?
22/03/2021 15:40:14 4 2
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Yeah, the idiots. Thought they were protesting against the Police Bill...you put em straight. Good job you are in charge.
22/03/2021 15:40:20 3 3
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Dont forget last week on the common either, women wanting more protection, no problem with that if anyone can work out how but many of them walked to and away (in the dark) on their own!
22/03/2021 15:42:48 10 4
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There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever for outdoor transmission though, is there?

Perhaps those 100,000 people who protested (me included) are ready to get their lives back now that they've spent a year following pointless, destructive rules.
22/03/2021 15:45:11 4 3
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By that logic then so are the "idiots" protesting about a killer policeman...
22/03/2021 15:46:07 8 2
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Who would have guessed some people might protest after their lives have been restricted for an entire year now? People like you would be demanding we hide under our sofas for another century if you could.
22/03/2021 15:50:08 7 3
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No evidence that previous protests have led to new cases.
22/03/2021 15:59:21 2 10
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We've already had 3 waves here - March, September/October, The UK variant (December/January)…..4th wave due any time now following the schools reopening and the parents hobnobbing at drop-off and pick-up time.
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22/03/2021 13:45:41 45 13
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This wouldn’t be the Kent variant by any chance?
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22/03/2021 13:59:14 71 27
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No. It might be the variant that came to Kent across the Channel.
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22/03/2021 14:07:14 9 2
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It was identified in Kent. No-one can be blamed for a new strain developing.
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22/03/2021 14:07:20 1 2
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You mean the same variant thats turned up in Rwanda of all places
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22/03/2021 14:17:03 1 2
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Certainly is.
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22/03/2021 14:27:08 3 1
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Or the Brazilian, south African, california etc variants.
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22/03/2021 14:30:25 3 6
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The Kent variant of a virus that originated in China.
22/03/2021 14:49:11 2 3
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Identified in Kent because we actually do the required genomic sequencing. Looking at the area of Kent where it became prevalent first it's a given that it came in from elsewhere.
22/03/2021 15:44:02 1 1
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No , it's the China virus.
Still no word from the investigation of how it arose.
My bet is the lab that was reported for safety concerns even before all this started.
22/03/2021 15:57:57 2 1
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You do realise that it’s on,y called the Kent variant because the first person with that variant was identified in Kent. It doesn’t mean it originated in Kent.
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22/03/2021 13:45:51 25 22
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Told you folks. This narrative has been building for weeks. Lockdown restrictions will not end this year. I do like a "told you so" moment.
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22/03/2021 13:49:01 21 8
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Lockdown restrictions have to end. They do not help in the long term. We need to have an economy left to return to.
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22/03/2021 13:50:16 7 7
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It’s so obvious, he’s getting his excuses in already...
Another national lockdown coming by September and “it will be all the EU’s fault”.
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22/03/2021 13:52:53 4 5
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Well I hope you can get over being wrong, as you will be.
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22/03/2021 13:53:48 3 10
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I agree, we're in this for at least a decade in my opinion.
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22/03/2021 13:57:36 9 4
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They will end, whether the government want to them to end or not, they WILL end.

People have had enough. The voice of dissent is rising in all corners of the country. No longer is it crackpots and conspiracy nuts protesting, now it's ordinary people, mostly young people, sick of seeing the futures thrown away and their lives suspended indefinitely.

One way or another, lockdown WILL end.
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22/03/2021 14:11:23 1 2
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When they do end in June please come back on and apologise wont you ! 33 Deaths yesterday compared to 1,133 a day 6 weeks ago .
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22/03/2021 13:45:57 425 115
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We should seal our borders as much as we can by knocking all but essential travel on the head and only import and export what we must until Europe catches up with their vaccination rate.
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22/03/2021 14:03:01 116 320
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So we shouldn't import any more EU-made vaccines? Was 10m too much for you?
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22/03/2021 14:08:01 27 2
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Eat lots of fish - we really should, as we waste the resource we have as an island.
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22/03/2021 14:14:12 7 4
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Agree but vaccine fairness essential.
22/03/2021 15:17:19 8 15
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Are there still people out there that believe this. Wow. Just wow.
22/03/2021 15:31:23 14 4
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Yes and put European Countries with alarming increased rates on our quarantine red list. Just allow imports exports in and out whilst we allow UK domestic economy to pick up first. Meanwhile Europe can catch up on their woeful vaccination campaign.
22/03/2021 15:45:59 6 5
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Do you have any idea how much essential stuff we import and export...or are you as naive as Dominic Raab?
22/03/2021 16:18:47 3 2
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You could buy one of those Brexit survival kits, I'll bet they're going cheap now.
22/03/2021 17:01:36 1 7
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They are ahead with their vaccination rate. Only a very few people in the UK have been vaccinated. Lots have had one injection.
22/03/2021 17:26:24 4 0
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I think the export bit is taking care of itself!
22/03/2021 18:42:07 1 2
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I love these people...who say things like 'seal our Borders'!! Do you really think that if we can't stop 'Illegal Immigrants getting here...you have any chance of stopping a virus which is 'quantised and 10,000 time smaller than a Bacteria!! What makes you think that after 1 year of all this utter crap..that any more of it will make any difference whatsover!
22/03/2021 19:06:25 0 1
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"We" should not hide behind the sofa. Speak for yourself.
22/03/2021 19:08:42 1 1
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Why lock borders! We’ve had the vaccines! That’s the whole point of them isn’t it!
None of these new strains are having any negative effect despite the scaremongering rubbish you read!
Interestingly Portugal’s cases have nearly disappeared and they’re in Europe but they also had a faster strain like us which has clearly given herd immunity!
22/03/2021 22:21:06 0 1
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We can't stop illegal immigrants coming across the channel in dinghys - in fact we help them the rest of the way! So how on earth do you think we can seal our borders?
22/03/2021 23:07:53 0 1
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Yawn
23/03/2021 05:27:15 0 0
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Brexit voter. Rest of world immigration and travel to UK has always been larger, EVERY year, than European immigration to UK. Immigration and travel is inspired by commonwealth and empire and will continue through Heathrow and Gatwick, not Dover. And Chinese students will always be classified essential travel woohoo Wuhan!
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22/03/2021 13:46:04 1117 501
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Just shut the borders then.
Third wave washing up, masks and social distancing for another year just so a few snobs can go abroad on their holidays and business trips?

No thank you.
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22/03/2021 13:51:32 794 508
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What a bizarre and poor comment. I work 50 hours plus each week and look forward to a good holiday each year. I can assure you that does not make me a snob. Holidays are on the back burner for the time being, but like many we look forward to better times.
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 172 43
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Totally agree, I for one can do without my foreign holiday if it means I can move freely around my own country.. Its getting beyond a joke now
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22/03/2021 13:53:19 28 140
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It'll be much, much longer than another year I'm afraid, I think at least a decade or even a generation.
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22/03/2021 13:58:48 79 6
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The end clause for masks and social distancing is not the absence of coronavirus (which would take years at least), it is the acceptance of coronavirus as a part of life (which will be much easier due to vaccination)
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22/03/2021 14:02:18 50 32
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Why?
Most vulnerable people have been vaccinated and the vaccine prevents serious illness.
There are some concerns about the SA variant but there’s no evidence that the current vaccines are totally ineffective.
Would you shut the borders down because of flu?
We have to protect the NHS AND our freedoms.
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22/03/2021 14:02:47 66 23
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People should be able to travel as long as they are prepared to take responsibility and quarantine on return if necessary (and pay for it). In reality there will be a lot of UK holidays this year, which I hope will give a boost to many UK locations and help the UK economy, rather than us spending our furlough-backed cash abroad.
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22/03/2021 14:05:56 25 29
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I'm not a snob and want to go on Holiday . We were told the vaccine is the way out cases and deaths have plummeted the vaccine protects the vulnerable. What we waiting for exactly ?
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22/03/2021 14:06:29 23 8
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I will not be taking an overseas holiday to limit the risk of bringing in new variants of Covid. However, I'm not a 'snob' for having to undertake essential business trips (and quarantining both ways) as it is the export of goods and services that will be paying taxes to pay back the cost of this pandemic.
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22/03/2021 14:06:54 15 7
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Suppose Kent variant didn't wash up on the shores of the rest of the world
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Yeh
22/03/2021 14:09:37 12 9
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U shut the borders u damage the economy big time. U can't do it, we need better testing at airports, covid vaccine passports and travel corridors.
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22/03/2021 14:11:51 11 8
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Plus 1000s of proven covid outbreaks imported from EU previously.
Shut the borders.
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Yeh
22/03/2021 14:12:15 13 16
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Why is international travel the new scapegoat?! Thousands die from flu in UK yearly , is italy to blame for that.
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22/03/2021 14:13:26 11 8
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I agree that going abroad right now is irresponsible.

But people who are not underachievers and can afford a holiday are now "Snobs"?

Sounds like you have a bad case of the green eyed monster.
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22/03/2021 14:16:46 8 4
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Wanting a holiday abroad does not make you a snob. What an ignorant view. I work in the supply chain industry and have to go abroad occasionally on business trips. That does not make me a snob either. Or would you rather the import of goods into the UK was also stopped?

I do agree no foreign holidays should be permitted this year until the rest of the world has caught up with the UK on vaccines.
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22/03/2021 14:22:02 5 11
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You can't just shut the borders, what about the millions who have been furloughed surely they deserve the opportunity to go away and recharge their batteries, I just don't know how they have managed.
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22/03/2021 14:22:22 4 9
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So, only snobs go on holiday!
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22/03/2021 14:21:09 2 3
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It is nothing to do with borders. BJs stupid comment encourages the idiots. It is here, in the UK, once we open shops and pubs it will be rampant again.
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22/03/2021 13:46:15 15 14
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This ongoing bizarre desperate logic of the EU, when will they understand that the EU doesn’t make vaccinations, companies do!
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22/03/2021 13:50:36 4 3
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Correct. The company has customers with orders which like any other business it will fulfil in order received. Otherwise there will be a scandal of preferential treatment.
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22/03/2021 13:46:17 479 93
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We will just have to get on with our lives it been over a year with this virus
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22/03/2021 13:51:23 392 704
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Get over it Boris. Unlock now and give us our lives back.
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22/03/2021 13:52:27 27 10
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We're not allowed to, otherwise we would.
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22/03/2021 13:58:48 20 12
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If we could just get on with our lives, that is exactly what we would have been doing.
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22/03/2021 14:03:20 12 36
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or get on with our deaths...
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22/03/2021 14:07:24 15 38
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Most of us are...

Its you lot who can't seem to be able to cope with the new normal...
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22/03/2021 14:08:07 8 6
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It could have been many more but for the brilliance of the scientists so let's just follow the guidelines for a couple of months more and give everyone a chance to put this into the same bracket as the flu, BBC still avoiding a HYS on Bristol why is this, for such actions only serve to enlarge the virus risks
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22/03/2021 14:08:12 6 7
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About to do a humiliating U-turn?
Over promised and under delivered again?

Then blame foreigners.
22/03/2021 17:05:22 1 3
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126,000 and counting no longer have the choice to get on with their lives. However less than 600 people have died in Norway despite having a land border with Europe. Then again they haven't got Boris the bluffmeister in charge; go figure.
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22/03/2021 13:46:27 8 9
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EU obviously didn’t read the T&Cs carefully.
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22/03/2021 13:47:02 41 31
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When are people going to realise this thing isn't going away and we have to adapt and just get on with things. 'Scientists' and 'Experts' have had their say with their heads buried in text books. Get real.
22/03/2021 16:29:19 4 3
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They’re comfortable earning 200k+ from home pottering around talking nonesense. Real people with real jobs in the private sector need to get out there and get the economy going again
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22/03/2021 13:47:13 50 26
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Perhaps the media could use the same scare tactics it used to get us in lockdown to get us back out again.
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22/03/2021 14:04:23 74 23
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You mean the scare tactics that the NHS was getting swamped. That wasn't scare tactics. That was a fact. I have too many family members working in ICU to even entertain the idea that the NHS wasn't swamped
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22/03/2021 13:47:17 358 44
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Genuine question, with foreign travel banned for the majority, how will the Europe’s third wave reach us? For centuries we have used the fact that we are an island as protection, we should have done the same from the start to fight against Covid and should be doing so now. That is how Australia have remained relatively clear of infection.
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UK not in a postition to sustain itself, so there will always be a requirement for travel between other countries and the UK.
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22/03/2021 13:56:54 13 6
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Australia and NZ rely on tourism income to some extent (a lot for NZ) & cannot afford to open up until fully vaccinated as they have no level of herd immunity. Both countries can feed themselves, UK cannot so we have to import food for which we rely on road transport.
There are also a fair number of Australians stuck outside their country as it will only let small numbers in.
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22/03/2021 14:10:55 24 13
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How about truck drivers from Europe passing through England and Wales to Ireland for a start. Spending just enough to time in the UK to drop off a few stowaways, pass on the virus and if we are very lucky buy a tankful of diesel and a sandwich as their contribution to our economy.
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22/03/2021 14:16:32 13 4
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Why has Kent variant spread to the rest od Europe and world then.
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22/03/2021 14:25:57 27 2
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Because of EUs open borders.
Multiple reports in past over individual countries ski resorts etc demanding to stay open.. When proven covid hotpots and spreading events.
22/03/2021 14:40:48 6 31
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The vulnerable vaccinated, it is just pure spite of politicians to prevent people doing things they enjoy. My scuba diving, white water rafting, jungle trekking days at end end because we are being told to hide in our cupboards for another year! Sick of this pathetic fearmongering meaning that we all have to exist rather than live.
22/03/2021 14:50:22 2 2
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What about people travelling for work?
22/03/2021 14:53:03 5 2
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As we only produce about 40% of our own food How exactly are we going to close our borders without starving.
22/03/2021 15:15:08 3 2
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One, we need food and other goodies.
Two, UK has a land border with Ireland which is open to Europe.
It is not so simple
22/03/2021 15:41:37 3 2
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Ah yes Australia, well known for lacking in space..

Someone at Dunkirk could sneeze hard and we'd get it...
22/03/2021 15:47:47 0 0
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10,000 lorries per day.. and that's just through Dover. 20 miles to France with a tunnel... it's an illusion that we're an "island". Couldn't lock down at the start with over 1m brits abroad needing to get home.
22/03/2021 15:59:30 2 0
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We cannot stop new variants getting into the UK. We can slow down the spread, which give us a chance to get a top-up jab manufactured and used.
We will need annual Covid jabs just like we have for flu.
We need to think long and hard about having foreign holidays this summer. It may be too risky.
22/03/2021 16:04:05 1 0
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Via goods vehicle trailers and rubber dinghies
22/03/2021 16:42:01 0 1
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Because we're opening it up in about 8 weeks time, that's why.
(Which is good, all our vulnerable will be vaccinated, so no risk in doing so)
22/03/2021 16:58:17 1 0
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The UK can’t fulfil its own power or food requirements, how exactly are we supposed to be self sufficient?
22/03/2021 17:24:09 0 1
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Not sure all foreign travel has been banned: saw a group of 8 Chinese tourists, cameras in hand, walking round our local town yesterday.
It’s not what you know......
22/03/2021 17:28:34 2 0
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It doesn't need a 'majority' to start it. Beats me why over 20,000 people A DAY think their travel is vital, eg you can't visit your dying spouse with covid in hospital but you can go to a distant relative's funeral overseas - really!
22/03/2021 17:41:58 0 0
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20,000 trucks arriving into the UK everyday so you can go t othe supermarket and buy your stuff.
22/03/2021 17:49:01 0 1
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There are thousands of travellers entering and leaving the UK daily, by air and sea. Businesses and our economy depend on them. So yes the variants may travel here but will be lost in the ones we already have. Scare tactics yet again.
22/03/2021 17:53:17 1 0
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The UK is not an island. Great Britain is.
22/03/2021 18:04:17 0 0
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Live West of London and you'll wonder if foreign travel has really been banned; in view of the number of aircraft overflying us EVERY DAY!
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22/03/2021 13:47:35 953 58
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If there is a third wave, and we have achieved our vaccination aims then it will more likely be a case of people get infected but only displaying minor symptoms, ie the vaccine has done its job and prevented deaths
Delusional. The benefits of the vaccine are 12 to 18 months away. Removed
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22/03/2021 14:14:59 16 29
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Once at risk and over 50s done.. Others effectively not at risk.
Other reports (France?) reported giving just one jab to previous covid infected resulted in better than 2 jab protection.
So win / win.. End lockdown after at risk and over 50s jabbed.. Let covid rip through under 50s for natural herd immunity.
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22/03/2021 14:35:21 21 11
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A third wave in Europe (or elsewhere) increases the possibility of the virus mutating to a strain that the current vaccine cannot protect against.
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22/03/2021 14:39:34 14 5
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Sadly that’s that acceptable for many, who want zero cases and zero deaths. When that happens people will go into lockdown due to death caused by old age. Vaccine for that please!
VoR
22/03/2021 14:41:40 5 7
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Depends whether the third wave is a variant these particular vaccines work against.
22/03/2021 14:43:28 3 6
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Sorry, I missed your occupational status which would help support your spurious claim.
22/03/2021 14:48:54 11 23
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We don't have to look far for the truth here. Boris has been spinning us a yarn all the winter. Now that we're in touching distance of his promised liberation he want's to bring down the curtain again. Any dispute with EU should've been sorted during negotiations in December. As I recall the EU sent Boris home with his tail between his legs. This is the brexit lala land you voted for, suck it up.
22/03/2021 15:02:20 3 1
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Depends if it is a variant that current vaccine gives protection or not.
22/03/2021 15:02:51 3 5
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The fundamental, unproven and therefore dangerous assumption in that statement is that the 3rd wave will not be a variant that bypasses the immunity conferred by (a) actual infections and (b) available vaccines.

I am more concerned that there is no suggestion that the borders will be properly controlled. We 'took back control', IIRC, but that seems to have been forgotten.
mat
22/03/2021 15:37:57 0 4
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VARIANTS!
22/03/2021 15:42:28 3 0
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Dr Micheal Ryan said he cant be 100% sure that it will be effective. undoubtedly it will save lives and thats a good thing. But throwing you eggs in one basket never works.
The gov are daily putting out feelers stating they may extend the travel ban or add countried to the redzone instantly. Seeing whats unfolding in europe ATM i cant see they have another option.
22/03/2021 15:53:14 1 2
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And if (when) vaccine resistant strians appear abroad, or amongst the vaccine deniers in the UK, what then?
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22/03/2021 13:44:45 39 33
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getting the excuses in early for missing his roadmap deadlines....
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22/03/2021 13:47:35 29 16
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Roadmap deadlines were not promises.
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22/03/2021 13:50:51 5 8
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Put your mask on and stay quite
22/03/2021 15:04:00 2 3
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That's all right then. Boris doesn't keep promises.
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22/03/2021 13:47:48 244 49
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No vaccination proof. No entry to the UK then if that is the worry.
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22/03/2021 13:51:33 177 80
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No entry to UK..... perdiod!
22/03/2021 14:49:31 9 10
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Er, what about a negative test?! Fed up with all this constant fear being shown when the fact is that all the vulnerable will have been vaccinated! Get a grip people!
22/03/2021 16:06:03 2 2
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300 euro will buy you a fake vaccination certificate.
With the problems off peak are having at airports with queues and validation.
Can you imagine the disaster awaiting Machester or Heathrow in June, July and August.
Let alone the Brexit queues at santorini tiny airport
22/03/2021 20:59:16 0 0
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Trouble is rubber dingys are arriving every day on the kent coast from covid hit France. We can't seem to seal our borders.
22/03/2021 21:12:40 1 0
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The Astrazeneca and Pfizer vaccines are only 66-75% effective at reducing transmission. And will be less than that vs the South African variant. No one should be let into the UK without quarantine if from any nation with a higher prevalence of Covid then the UK, and any nation where the South African variant is widespread.
22/03/2021 21:53:40 0 0
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We haven't the cahunas to do that, might upset someone somewhere
22/03/2021 22:30:29 0 0
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Why would anyone want to enter the UK? We have 126k deaths, the highest death toll in Europe...
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22/03/2021 13:47:57 82 49
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Johnson, professional mover of goal posts.

Just three weeks to flatten the curve....
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22/03/2021 13:53:06 52 27
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Better than sitting on a fence.
22/03/2021 16:51:16 1 1
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Yawn.
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22/03/2021 13:44:05 1540 195
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Cases may well go up again, but with vaccine doses now given to over half our adult population, covering almost everyone most vulnerable to death and/or hospitalisation, the concern should be much lower.

Like with other respiratory viruses, it’s time we accept risk will never be zero and ensure a balance between covid and non-covid health risks is reached.
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22/03/2021 13:48:06 214 347
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except asthmatics
And many others with compromised immune systems. They're not all older citizens in care homes (who we've just conducted state sponsored euthanasia on). Removed
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22/03/2021 14:07:02 29 17
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They shouldn't hold their breath.
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22/03/2021 14:09:47 26 10
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Asthametics etc should be in at risk groups already??
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22/03/2021 14:12:08 31 10
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stay safe - be responsible for your own health
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22/03/2021 14:22:26 32 5
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I'm asthmatic and I'm out in the community working 60 hours a week. I've had my first dose of a vaccine.

I'm willing to take the risk to get on with my life.
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22/03/2021 14:31:15 10 16
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People who are asthmatic but have medicine that can control their asthma are at no more risk than the rest of the population.
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22/03/2021 13:48:08 341 58
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Given the speed of vaccine rollout I'm wondering what the fuss is all about. By Mid -April everyone in Groups 1 -9 (99% of deaths & 80% of hospitalizations) will have been vaccinated with a vaccine that provides almost complete protection against serious disease.

Yes, we need to be watchful for mutations but we must not be sacred of snow that never fell.

There is more to life than Covid.
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You wouldn't think so but the 24/7 coverage!
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22/03/2021 14:15:17 8 9
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And more deaths and economic losses from Covid!
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MC
22/03/2021 14:31:24 15 22
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Yeah, apart from hardly anyone has had a 2nd jab yet?
kev
22/03/2021 14:45:02 28 12
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The scientists are already talking about variants that haven't been discovered yet. At that rate it's eternal lockdown. They love it, 15 minutes of fame. True scientists are the ones developing the vaccines not these university freeloaders
22/03/2021 14:47:41 7 6
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...and those mutations will be far more likely from countries where vaccinations have not progressed so quickly.
22/03/2021 14:48:18 25 9
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Tartan - EXACTLY, a rare sensible comment on here from someone who doesn't advocate hiding under the duvet until the last case has gone like so many weaklings on here! Time for us to be able to start living again rather than just existing!
22/03/2021 14:53:29 11 15
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There are over 24m people waiting to get their 2nd jab in the coming months in groups 1-9.It is not true that one jab provides almost complete protection against serious disease.The vaccines being used need 2 jabs and you cannot fully vaccinate those 24 m people by mid-April.3 weeks after the 2nd jab most people will have a very high level of protection, but that will be July at the earlist.
22/03/2021 15:32:34 6 16
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more to life than COVID, yes death.
22/03/2021 15:45:55 8 6
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Not many people mentioning Long Covid which is affecting younger age groups, all very well focusing on death rates and hospitalisation, too many people on lockdown versus opening up and not truly looking at the full picture.
22/03/2021 15:56:23 2 3
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Yeah, not everyone will get vaccinated and those numpties will be busily spreading the virus whilst going about their lives, socialising, holidaying, etc. The more who don't get the vaccine, the more spread of the virus. The vaccine isn't a get out of jail free card; people who've been vaccinated will still get ill, will end up in hospital and some will die.
22/03/2021 17:18:01 5 1
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17 deaths today - how many people die a day of other causes - we need to get on with life now - are we going to have daily reports of 1 death - need to be realistic about it - will be with us for ever now so we must learn to live with it
22/03/2021 17:35:26 3 5
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Opitimism is good but this is foolish.

HALF the adult population HALF vaccinated with vaccines which are not 100% protection and are largely an unknown with new strains.

It's a great success and those managing it should be praised but it's absolutely NOT a reason to lower our guard for quite some time yet.

A booster covering new strains is already in the plan for the Autumn.
22/03/2021 19:22:33 2 0
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Covid positive deaths dropping towards zero already!
22/03/2021 20:32:56 0 0
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Call me sceptical, but I can't help think there is an indirect agenda to prevent travel abroad. I'm even dubious that our U.K.holiday, postponed from last year, will go ahead.
22/03/2021 20:34:53 0 0
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Perfect comment
22/03/2021 20:58:31 0 0
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At which point we must reclaim our democracy before it's gone forever. Not six months hence or two years hence. Then it's gone. It's in serious danger even if we ditch Johnson & co. tomorrow.
22/03/2021 21:08:19 0 0
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Pfizer and AstraZeneca according to antibody testing are far less effective against the South African variant. How that translates into the real world we do not know yet. It is hoped they will still reduce cases of severe infection, even if they are ineffective at stopping mild cases.
22/03/2021 22:29:01 0 0
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Wrong. People will have received one shot only, and need to wait another 3 months.

This AZ vaccine is marketed as a 2 shot vaccine for a reason.
Bob
22/03/2021 22:45:38 0 0
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'Yes, we need to be watchful for mutations'. And that's the crux. The driver behind a lot of the continent's growth is believed to be the mutations. We don't know for sure because they're not so good at sequencing in large numbers.

Also, we still don't know how effective vaccines are over time. We know after 3 weeks what level of protection to expect, but not after 6 months etc.
22/03/2021 23:10:55 0 0
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Yep couldn’t agree more time to get back to normal
23/03/2021 13:42:53 0 0
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To a point ......... but dont forget Long Covid sufferers ........ I work in rehab and believe me Long Covid is terrible, reducing normally well healthy people to wrecks.
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22/03/2021 13:45:04 29 7
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But what about the vaccines?
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22/03/2021 13:48:11 48 42
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1) Vaccines are not 100% effective 2) Many people won't have them 3) They stop people getting as ill/dying but vaccinated people can still catch and transmit the virus.
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22/03/2021 13:53:02 24 12
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1 - They don't need to be 100% effective.
2 - If people won't have them, that's their problem.
3 - So what if they catch or transmit it?

Remember, the point of restrictions is NOT to eliminate the disease, it's to protect health services. Vaccinations is doing that.

Now, protect the rest of us and let us all GET BACK TO LIVING LIFE.

We cannot and will not live in lockdown limbo forever.
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22/03/2021 13:54:42 26 2
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Oh No!!!! Not 100% assurance!!!

That's life in general. Get over it.
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22/03/2021 13:57:44 25 8
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Guess what, we are never going to fully get rid of Covid. It is here to stay. Lockdowns however cannot and will not be here to stay. Eventually, we will have to get back to some kind of normality. I would rather die of the virus than go insane with another year of this BS.
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22/03/2021 14:04:02 11 2
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But vaccinated people are very unlikely to get the symptoms of the virus or be hospitalised because of it or die from it.
Isn't that important or are you just a vaccine denier?
No vaccine is 100% effective, even the annual flu jab is only around 50%, a lot less that the covid-19 versions.
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22/03/2021 14:09:03 9 8
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Agreed, so it is either lockdown forever or no lockdown at all right now. If people want to social distance and wear masks forever then they can and will. It is the collateral damage on peoples mental and physical health that will be the biggest killer if we carry on, but the politicians and medical fraternity know this so surely this is want they want to happen. No other conclusion surely?
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22/03/2021 14:10:56 9 7
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What's the point of a vaccine then?
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22/03/2021 14:19:36 6 6
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And how long does immunity last. Anyone told you.
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22/03/2021 14:34:45 1 5
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Right but jabs are protective of major illness.
France (?) reported prev covid infected once jabbed had better protection than 2 jabs.
So if at risk, over 50s jabbed.. Just let covid rip for natural immunity?
22/03/2021 15:53:57 1 1
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So what if they are not hospitalised?
We all catch and transmit flu, but the vulnerable are vaccinated and we get on with our lives.
22/03/2021 16:25:52 3 2
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"1) Vaccines are not 100% effective 2) Many people won't have them 3) They stop people getting as ill/dying but vaccinated people can still catch and transmit the virus."

This comments was true until this morning when the US published it's AZ trial:
1) Vaccine is 100% effective at stopping hospitalisation.
2) Not a problem for the vaccinated
3) Vaccinated people reduce transmission by 79%.
22/03/2021 17:14:24 3 0
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1) NO vaccine is 100% effective, but many (inc several covid ones) are high %
2) Take up in the UK has been very high, with few refusing/ignoring their appts
3) catching and transmission of CV19 is vastly reduced by the vaccine (see point 1)
23/03/2021 08:59:10 0 0
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Well stay inside untill there is a vaccine that does all this. Spoiler alert....I'm not sure it will be in the next ten years, let alone our lifetime
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22/03/2021 13:48:15 581 21
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While politicians squabble, we all suffer, on both sides of the Channel. A pity we can't inject all of them with some integrity, honesty and common sense and we would be out of this mess an awful lot quicker.
Truth serum definitely required in Scotland. Removed
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22/03/2021 14:04:18 30 27
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"integrity, honesty and common sense"

Really?

From Boris?

Impossible!
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22/03/2021 14:07:34 7 1
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We'd argue over who gets the injection first (or last).
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22/03/2021 14:23:07 3 1
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and humility.
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22/03/2021 14:29:32 21 15
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Boris is not squabbling. He has got on with the vaccination programme unlike some of the EU countries.
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22/03/2021 14:37:34 10 5
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For sure, politicians are the most dangerous virus that has ever infected this country and indeed all others!
22/03/2021 14:48:27 6 3
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If they had integrity, honesty and common sense they wouldn't be in politics.
22/03/2021 15:03:14 3 9
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We aren't squabbling just the EU looking to pick a fight
22/03/2021 15:12:11 4 1
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Unfortunately politician's are mainly motivated by greed and power not by helping the people they are supposed to represent. With some exceptions of course but a lot seem to use opportunities to fill their own pockets and those of their powerful friends and donors.
22/03/2021 15:24:29 1 7
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The squabbling is coming from one side of the channel, not our side by the way.
The EU have made a total dogs dinner of vaccines at every stage, and are now threatening another huge error of judgement to try and cover their behinds and distract their population
Talk of ripping up patents on a vaccine produced at cost! Me thinks the Germans are looking to market Phizer to make billions, so knock AZ
22/03/2021 17:07:39 1 0
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All ? Ditch the cons - problem sorted.
22/03/2021 17:17:21 2 1
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At risk of sounding like a playground crybaby (very appropriate in this case) I have to observe that when it comes to breaking agreements and goading the other side Johnson and his cabal really did 'start it'. The EU top brass should be ashamed of themselves too but that's no excuse for the UK's behaviour. Johnson can never see beyond his short-termist approach; never has.
22/03/2021 19:45:34 0 0
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Maybe we should get a big boat , take it to the French coast and give our french friends the vaccine. Macron would go mental !
22/03/2021 20:18:32 0 0
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It is ingrained in many MPs psychi to squabble, fiddle their expenses and just be indifferent to others plights. If they were injected with integrety, honesty and common sense they would have an allergic reaction.
22/03/2021 20:19:07 0 0
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Unfortunately the EU aren't doing vaccinations at the moment so that's not going to work with the ones who are lacking in common sense, ability and honour
23/03/2021 12:54:20 0 0
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Although a laudable aim an injection of that strength could well prove fatal to an unacceptably high percentage of our politicians. Hang on a minute.....
23/03/2021 19:50:37 0 0
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It would help if the British media told the truth. Pity that if we want to really know what is going on we have to look at the foreign press.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-says-astrazeneca-vaccine-ok-for-over-65s-after-all/a-56771381

AZ say they didn't test their vaccine on enough older people. Don't hear Bozo repeating that.
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22/03/2021 13:48:17 10 12
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So now BJ has been talking to our EU friends after all the negative comments he has made about them. Makes you laugh if the subject was not so serious.
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22/03/2021 13:50:37 6 3
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Not been much positive to say about them though has there.
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22/03/2021 14:00:42 2 1
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I think it should be clear to anybody that the EU doesn't want to be friends with us.
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22/03/2021 13:48:31 34 21
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Lets hope and pray he doesn't make the 'world beating' mess he made of the first two...

...don't hold your breath
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22/03/2021 13:50:55 9 21
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He will it's a given, 200,000 deaths and counting.....
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22/03/2021 13:44:45 39 33
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getting the excuses in early for missing his roadmap deadlines....
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22/03/2021 13:48:34 12 7
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Yep. Let's make sure we get our politically biased points in early. Avoids having to understand reality. Ignorance is bliss.
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22/03/2021 13:48:44 13 11
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Oh dear with Boris spending all the extravagant amount of cash on his/their flat has he visions of being PM for life?
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22/03/2021 13:51:59 7 5
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I think a certain mr Blair spent quite a bit on no 10 when he was there.
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 0 3
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Well perhaps. I don't see anyone else remotely capable.
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22/03/2021 13:54:34 0 3
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Suggest we deal of the EU completely, like we should have done 40 years ago.
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22/03/2021 13:49:00 13 15
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He's lining himself us to disappoint all those booking a 'Jet2' jaunt this summer. Come on Boris, just for once be straight with people and say it as it is.
It's all okay the little Englanders wanting to sock it to the EU over vaccines, but all you are really doing is turning this miserable grey old island of ours into your prison. You will not be allowed to travel until the world has caught up.
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22/03/2021 13:51:38 7 7
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So you feel happy to call home a "prison"? I think you should consider emigrating if you don't like it that much
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22/03/2021 13:51:56 3 3
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Little Englanders? Don't be insulting. If we hadn't have got out of the EU nightmare we'd be lucky to have a million vaccinated.
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Rob
22/03/2021 13:53:35 1 4
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Exactly, I have booked for Tenerife for November, if Spain has not vaccinated their population I am not really bothered. I have has enough after a year and yep I am being selfish and proud of that.
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22/03/2021 13:45:51 25 22
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Told you folks. This narrative has been building for weeks. Lockdown restrictions will not end this year. I do like a "told you so" moment.
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22/03/2021 13:49:01 21 8
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Lockdown restrictions have to end. They do not help in the long term. We need to have an economy left to return to.
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22/03/2021 13:51:26 5 3
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They really don't have to end at all. The economic concerns are folly to the people who decide to lockdown.
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22/03/2021 13:49:06 715 144
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High praise to the Oxford scientists for there magnificent work in developing the vaccine.

Let down by the politicians turning this into an argument for party political gain.
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22/03/2021 13:54:50 661 901
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Indeed, Britain has scientists and an NHS to be proud of.

Just such a shame we currently have a government that is a national embarrasment and global laughing stock
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22/03/2021 13:56:17 65 41
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Lions led by donkeys
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SP
22/03/2021 13:56:42 88 34
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Its awful that EU nations spread vaccine fake news just like anti vaxers
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22/03/2021 14:04:48 24 4
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Spot on!
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22/03/2021 14:10:02 11 18
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You mean the tory Govt putting a block on any doses. EU exported 40 Mill, ten Mill to UK. Fact.
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22/03/2021 14:18:01 13 10
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Not only that.. EU have for months Brought up concerns against AZ. All proven false.
EU basically fuelling anti vaxer's and fake news.
By now EU should have learnt lessons and investigated concerns in private then annouced result.
Or do they have another agenda?
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xlr
22/03/2021 14:20:53 10 8
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The Oxford scientists have already been betrayed.

Horizon2020 cash gone.
Erasmus replaced by Turing, which is far less generous
UKRI budget halved

Most of them will be working in McDs by 2022 for their hard work and diligence.
22/03/2021 15:01:57 1 3
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Which politicians? Labour and Tory aren't bickering about vaccine rollout Oh you mean the EU at the moment as the UK we haven't lowered ourselves to make this a political argument
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22/03/2021 13:47:17 358 44
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Genuine question, with foreign travel banned for the majority, how will the Europe’s third wave reach us? For centuries we have used the fact that we are an island as protection, we should have done the same from the start to fight against Covid and should be doing so now. That is how Australia have remained relatively clear of infection.
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22/03/2021 13:49:21 216 85
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UK not in a postition to sustain itself, so there will always be a requirement for travel between other countries and the UK.
396
22/03/2021 14:02:24 40 4
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food travel yes,having a waltz round london for a week no.
410
22/03/2021 14:10:28 44 13
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No there is NOT a requirement for travel. It is desirable but not necessary. Spend your holiday money in UK around our economy instead of elsewhere.
22/03/2021 15:05:21 7 2
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We can buy the goods we don't have to visit them.
22/03/2021 15:47:20 7 0
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Freight and travel for leisure are two completely different things.
22/03/2021 16:27:08 3 0
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Freight travel of course necessary but passenger flights? Really?
22/03/2021 16:51:24 2 0
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If the supermarkets didnt make producers waste so much produce which isnt the right shape we'd have more food, and calling it wonky veg is just dumb, its the shape it is naturally, just like humans, we're such a wasteful want it now species, maybe this is nature trying to balance the books? Humamity is the true virus on this planet
22/03/2021 17:29:05 2 0
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Goods, yes. People, hmm, rarely!
22/03/2021 18:47:31 1 0
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Neither could New Zealand - transportation of goods was still allowed, and is sensible. What a daft comment.
34
22/03/2021 13:49:30 110 19
bbc
Isn’t the third wave the “Kent” or “English” variant which we are just getting over?
145
22/03/2021 13:56:04 154 68
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and where do you think "The Kent" variant came from?
a clue it's 21 miles from Dover SE
491
22/03/2021 14:14:30 32 11
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Notice how Chinese coronavirus is 'racist'
855
22/03/2021 14:32:06 31 9
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UK does 50% of covid dna tracking in the world
Just because EU can't be bothered to track.. Doesn't mean a variant detected in UK originally came from uk.
Clues.. Original outbreak was Wuhan.
Kent 21 miles from EU, with open borders has been covid hot-spot for covid. Just look at global covid heat maps for a clue.
Additionally in past waves 1000s of UK covid outbreaks tracked back to EU.
kev
22/03/2021 14:47:07 35 15
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Amazing we can have an 'English' variant but it's racist to call it the 'Chinese' disease.
35
22/03/2021 13:49:34 185 87
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After the idiot’s Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe’s comments can’t we get someone with a bit more intelligence to make the call .
370
22/03/2021 14:08:32 68 40
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Idiot is too polite.
737
22/03/2021 14:26:31 16 38
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Perhaps going to somewhere like Iran and acting in a suspicious way was not a good idea in the first place.
22/03/2021 14:58:41 2 5
bbc
"The idiots comments about Nazanin Zaghari Radcliffe ..."

TFTFY
22/03/2021 15:07:27 27 13
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When Foreign Secretary his typical slipshod and ineptitude style led directly to the imprisonment of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe

Anyone with a modicum of intelligence, or any morals whatsoever should've used this as a last warning...

Boris Johnson has never been fit for any form of public office and only those who treat the UK and its people with utter contempt refuse to accept this obvious fact
22/03/2021 22:20:53 2 1
bbc
Go to bed it’s past seven
4
22/03/2021 13:44:53 33 40
bbc
more and more scaremongering, no matter how many people get vaccinated, this government has no intention of letting us get back to normal and get on with our lives...
36
22/03/2021 13:49:43 27 10
bbc
And why would they do that? They know that restrictions are damaging the economy and are politically damaging so why wouldn't they want to get back to normal asap?
519
22/03/2021 14:16:08 8 10
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Exactly Paul. But yet they are doing it, watch Andrew Marr's show yesterday. One minister, one shadow minister and a Doctor from PHE all in sync. confirming no travel this summer and masks/SD 'for years'. Now this from BJ. If I was generous I would say they have painted themselves into a corner but my cynical side says this is a global power grab.
996
22/03/2021 14:39:43 3 6
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Yes the Government are damaging the economy, but who will the damage to the Economy effect .......Let me think..............Oh yes the Poor,no rich people will suffer, never have done,never will do. Have you checked your bank balance lately,seen any food banks have you,has your job gone up the swanny,has your electricity and gas bills rocketed,maybe none of the above apply to you,but it does to us
22/03/2021 16:07:21 4 5
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How is it damaging for the government? They’ve never been more powerful and they’re only getting bigger and bigger and having more control and influence over our lives. You go into business to control money, you go into politics to control people, isn’t that obvious to people yet
1
22/03/2021 13:44:05 1540 195
bbc
Cases may well go up again, but with vaccine doses now given to over half our adult population, covering almost everyone most vulnerable to death and/or hospitalisation, the concern should be much lower.

Like with other respiratory viruses, it’s time we accept risk will never be zero and ensure a balance between covid and non-covid health risks is reached.
37
22/03/2021 13:49:50 53 236
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It's about stopping our health care being overwhelmed. The SA variant worries me, I see nothing in the news that has anything positive to say about the efficacy of AZ.

At this rate I can foresee limited restrictions continuing (hospitality etc.). Teetotals will be pleased.
150
22/03/2021 13:56:28 197 6
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Maybe I've been reading different news to you but I see plenty in the news that has positive things to say about the efficacy of AZ, particularly with regard to severe disease which is ultimately the major problem.
374
22/03/2021 14:08:39 49 14
bbc
The efficacy on transmission is about 10% with the SA variant but 100% when it comes to stopping severe disease. Nothing to worry about regarding variants.
499
22/03/2021 14:14:46 73 2
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AZ vaccine 79% effective against the virus and 100% effective preventing it getting to a serious condition. Survey in USA, Peru And Chile (300,000+ participants)

Maybe read the news, not just look at the pictures
569
22/03/2021 14:19:02 47 2
bbc
In the news only today that 2 doses of the AZ jab one month apart gives 100% protection from being hospitalised. Surely that's good efficacy?
4
22/03/2021 13:44:53 33 40
bbc
more and more scaremongering, no matter how many people get vaccinated, this government has no intention of letting us get back to normal and get on with our lives...
38
22/03/2021 13:49:55 6 7
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Of course they don't, I wonder when people will realise, when they're stop letting their egos get in the way of admitting the truth
7
22/03/2021 13:45:29 741 280
bbc
Given the idiots protesting about the lockdown this week, a third wave in the UK is inevitable.
Probably already stated.
39
22/03/2021 13:50:03 686 147
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Exactly, this comment nails it, why bother worrying about the EU when we have enough idiots here spreading it with no care.
152
22/03/2021 13:56:29 64 43
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If you scared then stay sheltering and let those of us who need to (financially) get back on with life.
350
22/03/2021 14:07:42 33 25
bbc
Which is precisely why I'd want to avoid British holidays. Everywhere crammed with the types of people I go on Greek holidays to avoid!
468
22/03/2021 14:13:20 27 46
bbc
When you have a hysterical, right wing driven media EU will always be targeted.
22/03/2021 15:12:29 4 6
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Mass gatherings are ok , if they are for something I want them to be.
22/03/2021 15:19:08 7 6
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And most of the anti lockdown MPs are the hard right Tories who wanted a hard Brexit.
40
22/03/2021 13:50:04 45 20
bbc
The EU is now showing it,s true colours. Slow in starting vaccination, and now trying to hold back the UK out of spite.
878
22/03/2021 14:33:24 18 6
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And 10 fools down voted your comment ? There's none so blind as them that cannot see ....
22/03/2021 22:40:16 1 0
bbc
Why should the EU send vaccines to the UK when the UK sends zero vaccine to the UK?
41
22/03/2021 13:50:07 22 17
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This has always been about protecting the NHS.

The NHS is now in no danger of being overwhelmed, and has months to plan for an increase in infections this winter, so there is no excuse for staying i.n lockdown.
73
22/03/2021 13:52:14 3 11
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Lockdown will be justified by a nurse crying into a phone on YouTube. That's all it takes now.
98
22/03/2021 13:53:07 0 4
bbc
A third devastating wave will hit us in the next month, that's every excuse for staying in lockdown.
101
22/03/2021 13:53:20 3 4
bbc
Protecting the NHS? I though the NHS was set up to protect us
5
22/03/2021 13:44:55 122 53
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Why can’t boris talk plainly?
42
22/03/2021 13:50:08 163 97
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He should write it on the side of a bus. Then it's definitely true....
123
22/03/2021 13:55:01 14 21
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How old are you?!
22/03/2021 15:10:22 12 7
bbc
Was waiting for a remain comment....get over it
22/03/2021 15:47:18 5 1
bbc
Get over it!
9
22/03/2021 13:45:51 25 22
bbc
Told you folks. This narrative has been building for weeks. Lockdown restrictions will not end this year. I do like a "told you so" moment.
43
22/03/2021 13:50:16 7 7
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It’s so obvious, he’s getting his excuses in already...
Another national lockdown coming by September and “it will be all the EU’s fault”.
44
22/03/2021 13:50:24 94 46
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So the third wave will wash up on our shores, will it? This from the irresponsible buffoon who is unlocking leisure flights from 16th May, despite the fact that vaccinations will not be complete by then! No, Prime Minister - this third wave will not wash up on these shores - it will be flown in by people going abroad on holiday this summer!!
22/03/2021 14:58:02 25 14
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Yep it's like conditioning...allow people to have a holiday this summer and then tell them it's caused a 3rd wave and lock them away again. Same as last Aug and the cheap food vs greedy people fiasco Eat Out to Spread it About :)
22/03/2021 15:59:47 1 0
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He MAY be u licking international travel from mid May. That date isn’t set in stone. The way things are looking in Europe he won’t.
22/03/2021 16:03:21 1 1
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if the Irresponsible buffoon keeps the country strictly locked down will you join the those moaning about how unfair this is or are you one who dislikes everything the buffoon or his party does.
What about business travel, British Nationals born overseas and who would like to visit elderly relatives, etc
22/03/2021 16:47:44 0 0
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I believe he thinks highly of you too!
22/03/2021 16:54:54 0 0
bbc
Arent the bufoons the ones travelling?
1
22/03/2021 13:44:05 1540 195
bbc
Cases may well go up again, but with vaccine doses now given to over half our adult population, covering almost everyone most vulnerable to death and/or hospitalisation, the concern should be much lower.

Like with other respiratory viruses, it’s time we accept risk will never be zero and ensure a balance between covid and non-covid health risks is reached.
45
22/03/2021 13:50:33 66 43
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The 4 downvotes are odd but sadly there will be more and those people will think your comment is somehow unreasonable or offensive.
115
22/03/2021 13:54:19 193 90
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Didn't vote eiher way but I do suspect SAGE have a better understanding of the importance of continuing restrictions than random commenters here.
865
22/03/2021 14:32:36 10 4
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It's not just about our own vaccination progress. If other countries do not vaccinate, then the virus will find it easier to mutate to a variant resistant to the vaccination, thus rendering our efforts pointless.
929
22/03/2021 14:36:07 12 12
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Whereas 'these people' like you and BWhit80 are really not thinking things through are you? We've had a reduction so far and much of that is due to lockdown; every time we've had one numbers go down, when lifted numbers go up. Add to that the SA variant numbers are growing in Europe mainland and we could easily be back where we started if we don't maintain restrictioins for a while longer
46
22/03/2021 13:50:33 15 10
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No doubt we'll get the usual screaming from people who aren't being babysat by Wetherspoon's about "SHUT BORDERS NAAAW!"

It is completely impractical to shut every single avenue into and out of the UK, do goods arrive and leave these shores on magic pixies?! We'd have about enough food and supplies for a week if we did that. And how do you think the vaccines will get here, by the same pixies?!
47
22/03/2021 13:50:34 15 13
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In sumary...

The EU told Boris to bog off, and pointed out that if they don't get the vaccines on the continent, it'll affect Britain anyway.

So Boris has come back, sulking, with no option but to pass on the message.
128
22/03/2021 13:55:14 5 4
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And your proof for all of this?
48
22/03/2021 13:50:34 12 14
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What a disgusting turn of phrase by our PM. Ashamed that we have him at the helm.
12
22/03/2021 13:46:15 15 14
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This ongoing bizarre desperate logic of the EU, when will they understand that the EU doesn’t make vaccinations, companies do!
49
22/03/2021 13:50:36 4 3
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Correct. The company has customers with orders which like any other business it will fulfil in order received. Otherwise there will be a scandal of preferential treatment.
26
DDC
22/03/2021 13:48:17 10 12
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So now BJ has been talking to our EU friends after all the negative comments he has made about them. Makes you laugh if the subject was not so serious.
50
22/03/2021 13:50:37 6 3
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Not been much positive to say about them though has there.
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DDC
22/03/2021 13:55:49 1 1
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No
51
22/03/2021 13:50:43 319 45
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Well France and a number of other EU countries clearly need putting on the Red List PM! and quickly which mean travel to and from those nations is banned. When is Shapps going to expand the Red List?
89
22/03/2021 13:52:52 156 20
bbc
Yes I was thinking that, otherwise it's here we go again!
100
You
22/03/2021 13:53:16 5 11
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That's your imports and exports up the swanny then!
JML
22/03/2021 14:51:04 10 1
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Absolutely, given that lorry drivers are exempt we still get imports and can export. Should stop EU drivers driving to Ireland via UK too.
22/03/2021 14:58:55 8 3
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Yes. Let's see how European holiday resorts get on without us this year.
22/03/2021 15:07:21 11 1
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Work it out for yourself. Look at the countries with rising infections and think do I want to go there and if I come back do I want to be quarantined.
22/03/2021 16:08:43 3 0
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Problem with putting France on the red list is that in theory you would then have to ban all freight by ferry. Every single person who is crossing has been in France, used French facilities at service stations/ rest stops. If this is so bad in France then everyone who has passed through France must also be put into quarantine with zero exceptions.
22/03/2021 16:44:51 4 0
bbc
after the liar johnson's dad has had his holiday to his Greek villa
22/03/2021 17:04:37 2 1
bbc
It’s ok soon enough you won’t be able to afford travel there anyway.
22/03/2021 17:51:01 0 0
bbc
Stupid suggestion! Just need precautions like the French imposed when the Kent variant was the talking point - now rarely discussed! And Kent is one of lowest case rates in the UK.
22/03/2021 18:29:30 0 3
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UK has a higher daily infection rate than France look at the figures. and roughly 30,000 more deaths due to Johnson getting things wrong in the first place. Perhaps he has a guilt trip. Red list ? you just need people to distance and wear masks in the UK. Pathetic watching UK news.
22/03/2021 18:48:13 0 0
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We could possibly 'do a Cyprus' and welcome all of our European friends who can demonstrate they have received both shots of their CV19 vaccine?
Removed
22/03/2021 21:51:24 0 0
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Yep late as usual, as shown on the BBC tonight, said it all and really highlighted the difference between east and west
22/03/2021 22:29:44 1 0
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France has 90k deaths. The UK has 126k deaths. The problem is here, not at the border.
19
22/03/2021 13:47:35 29 16
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Roadmap deadlines were not promises.
52
22/03/2021 13:50:51 5 8
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Put your mask on and stay quite
53
22/03/2021 13:50:54 27 13
bbc
So many HYS articles, one of the best things the BBC could do is stop them, all they do is foster division and anger.
102
22/03/2021 13:52:47 10 21
bbc
Standard socialist who wants all dissenters gagged.
22/03/2021 17:17:46 1 0
bbc
All BBC articles should be open for comment.
23/03/2021 20:34:06 1 0
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'all they do is foster division and anger'

With all due respect, the HYS articles are a means of expressing people's experiences, which in tow, sow division and anger. The removal of HYS will not cause this anger and hate to dissipate. It'll make it worse

To mend this situation, an agreement must be engaged where the vulnerable are protected and the healthy are not suffering. This is impossible.
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DBM
22/03/2021 13:51:02 9 8
bbc
Time to follow Noew Zealand's model, at we'll be able to go to the pub.
13
22/03/2021 13:46:17 479 93
bbc
We will just have to get on with our lives it been over a year with this virus
55
22/03/2021 13:51:23 392 704
bbc
Get over it Boris. Unlock now and give us our lives back.
189
22/03/2021 13:58:20 50 70
bbc
Yes Boris, stop protecting us, let us die. We would rather have a short life than a mask.
248
22/03/2021 14:02:37 41 37
bbc
Have you no common-sense? What do you think will happen? And what will the consequences be?
265
22/03/2021 14:03:27 16 49
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Do you think he might give the 126,000 Brits who died their lives back? Nahh, I didn't think so either. Boris got over that no problem...
276
22/03/2021 14:03:41 29 22
bbc
Your username could not be more inappropriate
369
22/03/2021 14:08:26 9 16
bbc
Unfortunately 125,000 people won't be getting their lives back and tens of thousands more have had their lives affected by grief and/or long Covid.
414
22/03/2021 14:10:46 3 4
bbc
Or do you mean me me me need to grow a pair we know IF WE BEHAVE we have a timeline for exit and remember without a vaccine we may well be nowhere near such a date
780
22/03/2021 14:28:19 3 10
bbc
You'd be the first to moan if the R number went up and we'd be in lockdown again though wouldn't you??
22/03/2021 14:40:10 0 7
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plonker
22/03/2021 14:44:29 1 10
bbc
such a misnomer. Give you your life back so you can go down the pub and on holiday and deprive others of their lives permanently. NIce one!
22/03/2021 14:46:20 1 7
bbc
It seems we always have a few....la la land types. Lives back for many means the pub.....how sad.
22/03/2021 15:15:39 1 7
bbc
The voice of no reason. You don't need a jab, you need a Hook.
22/03/2021 15:25:22 0 4
bbc
Yeah, nothing like giving in to the 'I know my Human Rights' brigade, and holding yet another illegal 'protest' - like ill conceived one in Bristol last night. Let's condem a few more people to the Intensive Care Unit eh? It's not as if any police despising thugs are likely to join in, and cause trouble, is it!
22/03/2021 16:45:33 1 2
bbc
You idiot. You want your life back so that you can quickly lose it ?
22/03/2021 16:53:50 0 1
bbc
Your title is ironic right? I’ve seen many of your comments and yet to see reason employed.
2
22/03/2021 13:44:45 39 33
bbc
getting the excuses in early for missing his roadmap deadlines....
56
22/03/2021 13:51:23 9 7
bbc
When will people realise that it the virus that is running this show, not our government or anybody elses government. Nobody can predict the future and nobody can control it. We just have to react to it.
154
22/03/2021 13:56:36 10 3
bbc
March 2020 - Normality will resume with herd immunity
April '20 - Normality after lockdown
May '20 - Normality once we have a vaccine
October '20 - Lockdown to save xmas (that worked..)
Dec '20 - Variants are suddenly an issue
Jan '21 - Normality once the whole world vaccinated
Mar '21 - Masks/restrictions for years

It'll never end if the goalposts keep moving
218
22/03/2021 14:00:48 6 3
bbc
I don't know about the virus running the show - I distinctly remember the Government deciding it couldn't possibly hurt people over Christmas or in schools (at least until one day into the current term) or are you suggesting that was Government wrong about that?
31
22/03/2021 13:49:01 21 8
bbc
Lockdown restrictions have to end. They do not help in the long term. We need to have an economy left to return to.
57
22/03/2021 13:51:26 5 3
bbc
They really don't have to end at all. The economic concerns are folly to the people who decide to lockdown.
58
Rob
22/03/2021 13:51:26 25 20
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I have had enough of this. Who are those that seem to love lockdown? Do you not have lives, are you not worried about your job, do you want to lock down for the enxt 5 years? We need to get back to old normal this year, yes people will still die from Covid, they will forever. Let those of us who want to live again to do so and keep hiding in your holes.
143
22/03/2021 13:55:57 12 7
bbc
You will lockdown with the rest, its not your choice, now grow up and accept it.
22/03/2021 15:10:51 0 1
bbc
this year yes, this week, no
4
22/03/2021 13:44:53 33 40
bbc
more and more scaremongering, no matter how many people get vaccinated, this government has no intention of letting us get back to normal and get on with our lives...
59
22/03/2021 13:51:32 10 16
bbc
This government has got a taste for controlling the population.
Removing freedoms ,
They want to keep that control ,
Permit to travel abroad
Stay in your local area
No protests
If they can get total control of the media ,,,,,welcome to N. Korea
659
22/03/2021 14:23:03 6 8
bbc
"If they can get total control of the media ,,,,,welcome to N. Korea".
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Welcome to N.Korea then!! MSM have never properly questioned what is going on, a few tame brickbats that BJ and Hancock bumble past and no follow up questions allowed. If they wanted to they could expose all the fraud, statistical manipulation and lies but for some reason are not doing so.
5
22/03/2021 13:44:55 122 53
bbc
Why can’t boris talk plainly?
60
22/03/2021 13:51:33 10 7
bbc
Have you ever heard any politician anywhere ever talk plainly?
30
22/03/2021 13:49:00 13 15
bbc
He's lining himself us to disappoint all those booking a 'Jet2' jaunt this summer. Come on Boris, just for once be straight with people and say it as it is.
It's all okay the little Englanders wanting to sock it to the EU over vaccines, but all you are really doing is turning this miserable grey old island of ours into your prison. You will not be allowed to travel until the world has caught up.
61
22/03/2021 13:51:38 7 7
bbc
So you feel happy to call home a "prison"? I think you should consider emigrating if you don't like it that much
181
22/03/2021 13:57:54 1 1
bbc
We are imprisoned and have been for 12 months have we not? Or maybe you haven't been affected by the lockdown?
23/03/2021 20:27:10 1 0
bbc
We have been under house arrest for a year now. Given this milestone, the comparison between home and prison is made in good faith.
62
22/03/2021 13:51:54 14 8
bbc
I'm sure we'll be able to get the army to help manage a third wave.

Oh, wait...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56477900
30
22/03/2021 13:49:00 13 15
bbc
He's lining himself us to disappoint all those booking a 'Jet2' jaunt this summer. Come on Boris, just for once be straight with people and say it as it is.
It's all okay the little Englanders wanting to sock it to the EU over vaccines, but all you are really doing is turning this miserable grey old island of ours into your prison. You will not be allowed to travel until the world has caught up.
63
22/03/2021 13:51:56 3 3
bbc
Little Englanders? Don't be insulting. If we hadn't have got out of the EU nightmare we'd be lucky to have a million vaccinated.
29
22/03/2021 13:48:44 13 11
bbc
Oh dear with Boris spending all the extravagant amount of cash on his/their flat has he visions of being PM for life?
64
22/03/2021 13:51:59 7 5
bbc
I think a certain mr Blair spent quite a bit on no 10 when he was there.
65
22/03/2021 13:52:00 13 2
bbc
Not limited to virus coming in from the EU - it'll be entering our country at any airport that receives international flights, compounded by the fact that many passengers don't arrive on a direct flight from the point of origin but rather transfer through international hubs, thus increasing potential exposure to those from different places.
66
22/03/2021 13:52:01 3 14
bbc
The roafmap was slways too over optimistic and reckless. The easiest thing for the Government to do is to keep lockdown in place over the summer rather than lift it for a month then put us back into lockdown. Whethet we like it or not we have to accept lockdown as the new normal for the next few years
144
22/03/2021 13:56:00 0 6
bbc
Some sense at last.
153
Rob
22/03/2021 13:56:32 4 1
bbc
Sorry but no way, I want my life back. Lockdowns need to end in June forever.
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LJH
22/03/2021 14:02:19 2 1
bbc
Are you furloughed? Obviously not concerned for your own mental health or anyone else's. And no to lockdowns for the next few years. Living not existing.
67
22/03/2021 13:46:37 13 8
bbc
On the "logic" currently displayed by government, opposition, sage and media, this will never end. We will be prisoners so long as there is the *possibility* of a more lethal variant. But this is insane. This possibility has always existed throughout human history; we have never locked ourselves away before. Why are we doing it - we know lockdowns had no positive impact?

We need to be free.
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mo
22/03/2021 13:47:06 167 31
bbc
Why are the EU making such a fuss over this when they have a stockpile of vaccine due to them not using it. They are in such a shambles it seems.
22/03/2021 15:49:47 23 30
bbc
Ask yourself that question by all means and then sanity check it by asking yourself if it was true in (for example) a country with a free press why the local media wouldn't be screaming it from the front pages.

The fact that they aren't and the free press in the UK isn't claiming this either (the stories date from before the countries approved it for older people in Feb) and you have your answer.
22/03/2021 16:14:41 7 2
bbc
It's called Sour Grapes! AKA Punching your nose to spite your face.
22/03/2021 18:42:57 2 2
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yep 60% of france do not want it. fill your boots.
22/03/2021 21:34:41 1 1
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The EU exist to serve themselves. This whole un-democratic club will not last beyond 2025 with other large contributors growing increasingly skeptical. My concern is a far greater un-democratic organisation called the WEF who's primary goals (well publicised on their site and by their leader) are scary beyond belief
22/03/2021 22:19:43 0 0
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They have been with everything they do.
23/03/2021 13:45:26 0 0
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Their issue is they cant get the rollout organized !
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22/03/2021 13:47:06 6 6
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Oh no!! Doris dear look at this!!!!

Think we'd better just stay indoors until 2026 at the earliest.........................
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22/03/2021 13:52:06 668 98
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when the anlaysis is done in due course I think it will be clear that France was casing the problem because their company Sanofi was developing a vaccine and they wanted all of the EU to be using it. So Macron caused all kinds of uncertainty to get up a big smokescreen. But, Sanofi failed and the EU have been left scrambling. And now acting like petulant children, but that is no surprise at all.
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22/03/2021 14:07:42 307 35
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And when you compare the outbreaks, they had a second wave before the UK (although it wasn't the Kent variant at that time). His words and support of Sanofi have held back European vaccine development and role out
22/03/2021 14:41:02 68 11
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The EU leaders are just bullies, they don’t like the fact that we haven’t dissolved into obscurity and that by and large they have totally messed up their vaccinations and we haven’t. It hurts them to see that we absolutely do not need them so they retaliate to try and cause a problem. They are childish bullies and I for one thank god for the day we left the ‘gang’.
22/03/2021 15:23:09 68 8
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Spot on. Macron has been a total ass throughout. He is far too arrogant to admit any failings though. His hatred of Britain makes him dangerous and definitely not a friend.
bob
22/03/2021 15:31:11 37 5
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Excellent analysis. Obviously a hunch, but quite likely to be right. What else reconciles the switch from not wanting the AZ vaccine in the EU to now demanding it.
22/03/2021 15:46:03 44 7
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Macron was playing mind games with British public, trying to derail our vaccine rollout. Unfortunately it back-fired on him, and it's the French population (who hang on his every word) who are terrified of it, not the British.
s2k
22/03/2021 16:09:30 38 5
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Macron has caused terrible problems with his lies/comments such as "AZ is quasi-ineffective" The French people are historically anti-vaccine and this untrue comment makes an already nervous country far worse. (Poll back before his comments had French at only 35% take up if they were offered a vaccine of any type) I can see France becoming a major breeding ground for new variants.
ADB
22/03/2021 16:09:35 22 1
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Not all EU countries bought into Sanofi; the Dutch are currently going with Pfizer, AZ and Moderna - slow to start but now speeding up. The Janssen (subsidiary of Johnson & Johnson) single dose vaccine developed in Leiden, Netherlands is ready, has completed successful trials and now approved by the US. I f the UK have ordered it and can approve it, it can provide an additional option.
22/03/2021 16:34:27 4 0
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But Bionthech is a European vaccine, and a damned effective one.
22/03/2021 17:00:28 5 10
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Well the EU giving us 10 million vaccines and us giving them none, might have something to do with it too. How is the mollusc only diet going?
22/03/2021 17:25:23 4 3
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Maybe - but it's far from that simple and we are far from innocent in all of this.
22/03/2021 18:05:18 4 0
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Sanofi - the ones that killed so many in the Philppines from their vaccines and the case still ongoing. Will the BBC print this - bet it won't.
22/03/2021 19:48:38 2 0
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...and then the Dutch sold the big vaccination factory to the US ...couldn't make it up
22/03/2021 20:48:08 1 0
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Very true words.
22/03/2021 23:58:57 1 0
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I can believe that. The French are trecherous
23/03/2021 00:12:38 1 0
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My prediction is that we will all rue the time we stopped co-operating to try and stop a virus that doesn’t respect international boundaries or political self interest.
LH
23/03/2021 00:26:12 0 0
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Spot in!
Arf. What an idiot.

Lundun perhaps?
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23/03/2021 10:05:04 0 0
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Did you make up all of that story yourself? The UK government is running a highly successful misinformation programme about vaccines, aimed at whipping up anti-EU sentiment for domestic political reasons. Whoever is running it, and coordinating it with the press, deserves a pay rise.
23/03/2021 19:48:02 0 0
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You should take up novel writing, Macron was following the fears put forward by others. It was AZ who said they hadn't tested it on enough elderly people to know if it were effective.

https://www.dw.com/en/germany-says-astrazeneca-vaccine-ok-for-over-65s-after-all/a-56771381
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Arse. Removed
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22/03/2021 13:52:09 20 13
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No doubts whatsoever - there will be years of this. Years and Years and Years.

The political narrative is too deeply embedded.
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22/03/2021 13:55:29 16 13
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Correct. This is nothing to do with our health any more.
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22/03/2021 13:50:07 22 17
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This has always been about protecting the NHS.

The NHS is now in no danger of being overwhelmed, and has months to plan for an increase in infections this winter, so there is no excuse for staying i.n lockdown.
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22/03/2021 13:52:14 3 11
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Lockdown will be justified by a nurse crying into a phone on YouTube. That's all it takes now.
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22/03/2021 13:52:18 5 6
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The most depressing part in all this is Starmer's performances. He's trying to be the grey man, but he looks more like the 'nodding donkey'.
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22/03/2021 13:48:50 4 5
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Yawn!! Bored now!
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22/03/2021 13:50:26 82 18
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Why not ban inbound travel, Boris? You know, something that should've been done a year ago!
22/03/2021 14:45:59 18 28
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Because maybe France will ban ALL travel to/from the UK including foods, medicines etc. Then where shall we be?
22/03/2021 22:34:24 0 0
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And how do we import half the food we eat.........?
22/03/2021 23:05:00 0 0
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Don't be silly! That's too logical for Boris and his goons, well, Westminster in general. They're all a burden to our country. Doesn't matter if it is the Conservatives or Labour. Neither of them will ever think of stopping the inflow of non-essential visits to this country.
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22/03/2021 13:48:31 34 21
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Lets hope and pray he doesn't make the 'world beating' mess he made of the first two...

...don't hold your breath
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22/03/2021 13:50:55 9 21
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He will it's a given, 200,000 deaths and counting.....
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22/03/2021 13:51:09 4 5
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Mr and Mrs Banks

Just shut the borders then.
Third wave washing up, masks and social distancing for another year just so a few snobs can go abroad on their holidays and business trips?

No thank you.

****

hhahahahahahahhahahhahaha!!

What happened to that Churchillian bravado and bluster then??
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22/03/2021 13:46:04 1117 501
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Just shut the borders then.
Third wave washing up, masks and social distancing for another year just so a few snobs can go abroad on their holidays and business trips?

No thank you.
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22/03/2021 13:51:32 794 508
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What a bizarre and poor comment. I work 50 hours plus each week and look forward to a good holiday each year. I can assure you that does not make me a snob. Holidays are on the back burner for the time being, but like many we look forward to better times.
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22/03/2021 13:57:02 126 53
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Go to the Lake District this year. Try the outer Hebrides.
Mid Wales is beautiful.
The north Norfolk coast has especially beautiful beaches.

What a bizarre and poor comment.
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22/03/2021 13:58:37 155 39
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I work 50 hours plus a week myself and whilst I like holidays, I'd rather the pandemic was nailed this year than suffer repeated waves for the next 5 years. Keep it locked down for me.
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22/03/2021 14:02:30 57 21
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Can holiday in the UK
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22/03/2021 14:04:20 41 16
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It is not necessary to go abroad for a holiday! If we protected our borders and holidayed here then that would boost our economy (not another country's) and reduce the wider imapct of a third, fourth or more wave!
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22/03/2021 14:05:40 22 5
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Closing borders temporarily and stopping foreign holidays are designed to expediate exactly what you desire.
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22/03/2021 14:08:09 20 18
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Oh, I see you're a ME ME ME
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22/03/2021 14:09:27 10 6
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But if the cost of holidays is people not working, no meals out, no socialising, no seeing family etc, then it's not worth the cost.
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22/03/2021 14:11:41 21 16
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I don't care how many hours you work, it doesn't mean you should be able to do something at the expense of others. What you are saying is you don't care about anyone else as long as you get your holiday. I can assure you that DOES make you a snob.

Poor comment.
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22/03/2021 14:15:03 1 11
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You can go to Tunisia or Turkey just don’t go to infected EU
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22/03/2021 14:21:00 12 2
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Ahh! I work just as long/hard but the last thing I would want to do is go on a foreign holiday. Business travel is a pain in the arse i would love to dump, and it looks like I shall be able to thanks to Teams and Zoom. No, close the borders and keep the damn virus out at last.
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22/03/2021 14:21:04 14 6
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Nothing "bizarre" about the criticism of selfish behaviour. Missing a holiday won't kill you but covid can.
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22/03/2021 14:21:14 11 4
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So do millions of people.
Holiday in this country for a year or too. Our country is beautiful. Don’t bring back the foreign strains of covid to the UK.
It’s a small price to pay to keep the disease at bay.
745
22/03/2021 14:20:12 10 8
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Countless people work lots of hours every week but many of them can't afford to go abroad on holiday...

A holiday abroad IS NOT a necessity of life, you can still have your holiday here at home...

Bizarre that you THINK you need to go abroad for a holiday and poor choice complaining that someone mentions it would not be a wise thing to due in the current circumstances...
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22/03/2021 13:47:48 244 49
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No vaccination proof. No entry to the UK then if that is the worry.
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22/03/2021 13:51:33 177 80
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No entry to UK..... perdiod!
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22/03/2021 14:01:08 18 7
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Are you aware of how reliant the UK is on imports?
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22/03/2021 14:10:46 17 11
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And we will all starve to death if your plan were inacted. Try eductating yourself on where the majority of our food stuffs come from on a daily basis before suggesting such rubbish!
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22/03/2021 14:18:35 5 7
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Trump wall in sea then
22/03/2021 15:07:10 10 4
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And no exit, either? Sounds like prison to me...
22/03/2021 15:55:04 2 0
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You used the word 'period', how long of a period are you talking?
22/03/2021 16:24:18 7 1
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I take it that you will be first in the queue to do one of the minimum wage jobs that eastern Europeans have been doing but would not be able return to the UK if you were in charge.
22/03/2021 17:04:07 6 0
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Just like North Korea.
22/03/2021 18:41:25 4 0
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considering the UK imports 70 percent of their food, you need to think a little harder David.
23/03/2021 05:15:18 1 0
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Is perdiod similar to a flul stpo.
EU nationalism = acceptable
Scottish nationalism = acceptable
Irish nationalism = acceptable
English nationalism = bigoted, racist, colonialist

Anyone have a sensible answer as to why?
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22/03/2021 13:54:01 170 530
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Scotland doesn't want to be a colonial power. English unionist parties like to indulge in foreign wars. Iraq etc.
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22/03/2021 13:54:08 15 42
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Westminster and the South East...
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22/03/2021 14:05:22 96 178
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EU nationalism s an oxymoron. They are sovereign independent states.

English nationalism is about believing your better than everyone else and wallowing in imperialist nostalgia. That's why the Scots and Irish want to distance themselves from this failing Union.
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22/03/2021 14:07:30 66 124
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If England wanted to go it alone as an independent country, I as a Scot would wish them well.

Whereas Scotland does want to go it alone as an independent country and we simply get bombarded with British Nationalist propaganda.
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22/03/2021 14:08:16 74 47
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Absolutely nailed it
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22/03/2021 14:22:39 56 132
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The English one revolves around everyone else being inferior and delves into racism.

The others are more about home rule.
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22/03/2021 14:25:05 43 10
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"Nationalism is an infantile thing. It is the measles of mankind.”
- Albert Einstein

I think maybe Albert would put it just a little stronger today.
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22/03/2021 14:28:50 15 28
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You seem to have it completely inverted.
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22/03/2021 14:28:57 28 5
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Feeding your countries starving children = nationalism

Arguing about a flag to distract from the awful job you are doing = being an arse
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22/03/2021 14:30:05 16 11
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Actually now nationalism is NO longer acceptable at all, it’s getting akin to racism, in Scotland the hate crime bill has stopped the politicians in their tracks as they can no longer berate the English.. in case someone reports them to the police, there’s hardly been a cheep from them since, (unintended consequences)
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22/03/2021 14:31:51 3 12
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Yes, you are looking through your biased view point
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22/03/2021 14:37:41 4 7
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None of it is acceptable.
22/03/2021 14:40:59 8 18
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Possibly because it tends to be bigoted, racist and colonialist.
JDB
22/03/2021 14:36:38 18 9
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Nationalism isn't acceptable let me tell you...I live in Scotland and the brand of nationalism here is based upon racism, threats, lies, conspiracy and violence towards those who won't conform...It's everywhere on social media and cannot be denied...
22/03/2021 14:43:40 8 10
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Lefties innit.
22/03/2021 14:45:33 1 9
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I have no idea what you are on about....la la land
22/03/2021 14:46:17 3 7
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Read history.
22/03/2021 14:45:44 7 22
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Here's the CORRECT answer to your question, I doubt you will like it.

When it comes to "English Nationalism" then it differs from the others you mention for the very simply reason that "English Nationalism" is NOT just about being "English" it's about being "English" but still thinking you can tell other nationalities what they can and can't do.

It should actually be called "English Hypocrisy".
22/03/2021 14:51:08 10 14
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The EU is 27 countries. Scotland is under the boot of a colonial power.Same with Ireland. The English are delusional about their own importance in the world. Enough?
22/03/2021 14:51:37 5 11
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Because the B in BBC stands for Bruxelles.
22/03/2021 14:54:46 4 3
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Why? It's jealousy, and an inferiority complex.
22/03/2021 14:54:55 8 9
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Because English Nationalism is all about excluding and diminishing everyone else, and that is because the Far Right set the English Nationalist agenda.
Take it back off them - until then people will have little truck with the poisonous nationalism they peddle.
You may also want to consider that England is the dominant power in the UK and historically has tried to control everyone else.
Not good.
22/03/2021 14:56:30 3 9
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Fine straw man there - though you called the English correctly. All nationalism is offensive.
22/03/2021 14:58:09 2 1
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what has this got to do with the article?
22/03/2021 14:58:25 6 4
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What is EU nationalism exactly? The EU is comprised of many countries. How can it be nationalist?
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 28 15
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What an absolute mess these EU leaders are making of their Covid19 plans. And now they are trying to hide their incompetence by blaming AstraZeneca. At a time when we need cooperation, we get conflict.
22/03/2021 17:19:03 4 2
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Cooperation? The EU has cooperated with the UK vaccine roll-out and has exported 10M vaccines to the UK. How have the UK cooperated with the EU on this?
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22/03/2021 13:46:04 1117 501
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Just shut the borders then.
Third wave washing up, masks and social distancing for another year just so a few snobs can go abroad on their holidays and business trips?

No thank you.
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 172 43
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Totally agree, I for one can do without my foreign holiday if it means I can move freely around my own country.. Its getting beyond a joke now
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 1052 96
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If only we were an island and could stop people bringing it in.
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22/03/2021 14:10:26 592 130
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Yeah I love how the media articles swooning over NZ fail to recognise that we are equally capable of shutting our borders and eliminating importation of foreign disease.
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22/03/2021 14:15:36 42 19
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Seems we have exported Kent variant to rest of world
kev
22/03/2021 14:40:19 50 20
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If only we were an island that was self sufficient........
22/03/2021 15:04:48 36 16
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Good point, that is, if you're happy to see far less food and provisions in the shops, then no problem at all. If your car breaks down and the spare part needs to come from abroad, do I need to go on
22/03/2021 15:17:01 11 14
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We can as soon as we prevent illegal immigration
22/03/2021 15:39:51 12 2
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Did you fail to see what happened when Macron decided to close the border for a few days just before Christmas..?

Absolute flipping chaos.

We would need to do that for 16 WEEKS to even make a difference.

Why do you think lock-downs go on for so long ...?
22/03/2021 15:51:57 8 2
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I remember watching the BBC news seeing isle of man pubs all opening and everyone dancing and laughing at the UK for being in lockdown saying it'll never happen here because we have strict enforcement...
And where are they now?.. in lockdown.
The virus doesn't care about enforcement or rules or anyones sensabilities.
22/03/2021 16:04:52 5 2
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We can’t as we are much too close and interconnected with Europe with lots of our food coming from their. Even Australia and New Zealand haven’t been able to keep the virus out despite being thousands of miles away and being self sufficient, there are a small number of cases everyday
22/03/2021 16:26:45 0 7
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Boris is encouraging flights to EU
22/03/2021 16:45:38 2 6
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I live in Spain, the varient causing problems here at the moment is the UK varient. So i say....if only your government had stopped you all spreading it to other countries. See how that works, that's the problem with the English, it's everyone else's fault!!!
22/03/2021 16:56:00 1 1
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Unfortunately we are not a sheep herding provincial locality but the centre of global trade
22/03/2021 17:05:47 2 0
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We are only an island geographically, closing borders totally doesn’t work when you import food, medicines including vaccines and their components etc. like it or not we live in a global world and as a trading nation we are at the heart of it.
22/03/2021 17:13:51 0 0
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If only it was still 1386
22/03/2021 17:13:53 0 0
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Like the Isle of Man?
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22/03/2021 13:48:44 13 11
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Oh dear with Boris spending all the extravagant amount of cash on his/their flat has he visions of being PM for life?
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22/03/2021 13:52:33 0 3
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Well perhaps. I don't see anyone else remotely capable.
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22/03/2021 13:46:17 479 93
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We will just have to get on with our lives it been over a year with this virus
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22/03/2021 13:52:27 27 10
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We're not allowed to, otherwise we would.
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Time to start sinking those migrant boats? Just a thought... Removed
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22/03/2021 13:44:48 29 14
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That’s Christmas cancelled.
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22/03/2021 13:52:45 24 7
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Not quite yet, my friend. We might just get enough people vaccinated to stop the spread of the currently dominant strain in the UK and contain the SA virus as a result. Fingers crossed...
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22/03/2021 13:50:43 319 45
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Well France and a number of other EU countries clearly need putting on the Red List PM! and quickly which mean travel to and from those nations is banned. When is Shapps going to expand the Red List?
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22/03/2021 13:52:52 156 20
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Yes I was thinking that, otherwise it's here we go again!
22/03/2021 14:46:22 7 8
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Its not "here we go again" at all! Get a grip, the vulnerable will have been vaccinated and we have nothing to fear but fear itself. Stop with the scaremongering and lets get things opened up and start to enjoy our lives again rather than being told to hide under our duvets forever! This cowering away attitude is pathetic and unnecessary considering the stage we are at with vaccinations.
22/03/2021 18:53:08 0 1
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If the vulnerable are protected by vaccine, whats the problem with cases rising? Consider it like going diving with and without an oxygen tank. Without, high risk of death, with very few will die.
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22/03/2021 13:52:53 29 6
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We had a third wave after you opened the country for Christmas. There's a graph that clearly shows this on another BBC page. Prior to Christmas, the trend was down like falling off a cliff down, after Christmas, the rise broke all records.
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