Coronavirus vaccines: PM to telephone EU leaders in bid to stop export ban being imposed
22/03/2021 | news | politics | 3,911
EU leaders will hold a virtual summit on Thursday to discuss the fate of vaccines made on the continent.
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Wonder what he will say to them.
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" have a word "
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"stop behaving like petulant children"
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"Hey, I know this might sound a bit hypocritical coming from me, but any chance you could ask Mrs von der Leyen to stop throwing her toys out the pram and making ridiculous belligerent remarks when we ought to be working together"
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I know what I would say
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The EU president says the EU can "forbid" vaccines made on the continent being sent to the UK.

But a government minister said it was crucial the EU honours its commitments.

Downing Street said EU President Ursula von der Leyen told Mr Johnson earlier this year that the EU was not intending to restrict exports of vaccines.

The EU are rattled...if the shoe was on the other foot???
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Boris said it so it must be true - wow look at those pigs fly!
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22/03/2021 11:55:27 19 4
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If the Belgian and Dutch governments go along with this EU ban on exports of vaccine to the UK then we should ban the export of the Intellectual Property i.e. the design and methodology to make the AZ vaccine, all ingredients for vaccines to the EU, and ban all other imports from Belgium and the Netherlands
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22/03/2021 12:04:21 8 31
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The UK has been busy vaccinating Leave voters with EU-made vaccines.

Side effects appear to be a continued, irrational hatred of the EU. It may be untreatable.
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22/03/2021 12:08:48 16 4
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The president of the commission is rattled, definitely. The UK wrote a much tighter contract and has insisted all our orders - 3 times the UK Population - are delivered
22/03/2021 12:36:24 5 15
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The UK did nowt when the boot was on the other foot. As in when AZ were producing in the UK but were not delivering to the EU. If only we had not committed brexicide.
22/03/2021 12:42:40 2 8
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"The EU are rattled...if the shoe was on the other foot???"

The shoe is also on the other foot, we have vaccine production capacity, we've sent them no vaccine, they've sent us 10M+ vaccines, instead of thanking them and trying to work together, we attack UVDL.

If we end up with a vaccine ban from the EU we will have no-one to blame but ourselves - we haven't exported any vaccine at all.
22/03/2021 13:47:26 1 1
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And the UK is not rattled over it's inability to honour the NI agreement?
Honour has been redefined by the Tories.
If they ever understood it.
22/03/2021 15:45:17 0 0
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Whose restricting exports, 10 million to UK from EU, how many the other way, none. Is it possible you can base your comments on facts and not anti EU dogma.
About 25 years ago I was stood in a queue for a taxi on the island of Rhodes. A German couple walked to the front of the queue. The concept of waiting their turn or ’First come, First served’ was genuinely lost on them. It was only when things between us were going to get ugly that they sulked to the back of the queue.

Be me in that queue Boris!
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They're not even using the 14 million doses they've got in the fridge
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22/03/2021 11:41:00 18 37
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25 years is a very long time to carry a grudge and then damn a whole nation on the strength of it. Get a life
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22/03/2021 11:41:07 9 19
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What a bizarre reference.

That said, I hear Boris’s resume includes assisting in plotting to get someone beaten up so maybe he’ll work his magic once again
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There's only one place to be here, and it's the moral high ground.
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That was 25 years ago.....
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They were German. Expected....
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I think that was Americans
The Germans are very disciplined and follow rules to the letter... and have no sense of humour that they are aware of....
( actually they have quite a dry sense of humour!!)
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22/03/2021 11:44:37 9 2
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Strange. When I lived in Germany it was the Italians that pushed into queues.
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22/03/2021 11:44:42 15 25
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That is the root cause of your anti foreigner prejudice ? A taxi queue 25 years ago ?

Do you know you have made a fool of yourself before millions ?

Probably not.
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22/03/2021 11:47:32 9 26
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The EU said “This is a message to AstraZeneca: You fulfil your part of the deal toward Europe before you start to deliver to other countries.”

Quite right too!

How much vaccine has the UK delivered to the EU exactly?
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22/03/2021 11:48:11 10 7
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What complete and utter rubbish. So the entirety of the German people should be judged based on this one experience which you could be lying about?

Wise up
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22/03/2021 11:50:46 4 5
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A truly bizarre and ignorant comment... taring a whole continent on the actions of two people.

I guess they checked everyone in the queue was English before heading to the front did they?
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22/03/2021 11:51:51 1 2
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Similar thing happened to me with a couple from London. I think they were Jewish.
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22/03/2021 11:53:29 3 7
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The same happened to me most weekends in a taxi queue in Newcastle. So not only is it a concept not understood by Germans!

Keep on being a clown Johnson!
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22/03/2021 11:55:05 3 3
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Perhaps you couldn't see the towels they'd draped over the queue sign, earlier in the day...
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22/03/2021 12:03:55 1 1
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Are you joking? People here do that
It’s called cheek, not xenophobia
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22/03/2021 12:05:20 2 4
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Just the like the queues for the ski lifts in Europe. Frence and Germans just barge past the 100 English queuing. They slide over over people ski damaging them in the process. Usually by Wednesday of the week the English work out that they have to use their ski poles to physically block Europeans pushing past.
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22/03/2021 12:07:49 1 5
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Had the same experience once queued outside Vatican when a bus load of Germans pulled at the front and expected to walk straight in. Those of us at the front squeezed up to stop them and eventually fighting broke out, they didn't seem to think they done anything wrong. Arrogant people glad we're out of this political mess.
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22/03/2021 12:13:41 3 1
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Hmmmm, not behaviour I'd attribute to any German I've met. The national mantra is generally 'ordnung muss sein' (everything in order).
22/03/2021 12:18:10 2 1
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You clearly fail to adapt to the cultural norms of others. What makes you think that yours are superior?
22/03/2021 12:24:51 2 1
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Right so one experience is translated as "everyone in europe is selfish"?!? what a joke.

I was driving in manchester the other day and got cut up by another driver so therefore clearly all northern english people are selfish....... SMH
22/03/2021 12:31:28 1 1
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I'm calling bs on this.
Why does the EU still appear to struggle with the concept of CONTRACUAL Law.

This ongoing pantomime is clearly in order to ‘muddy the waters’ in the minds of Europeans on who to blame when they going sailing into Lockdown again come the Autumn.
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Lockdown by summer you mean!
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Europeans have no opportunity for no confidence vote

shame on EU
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22/03/2021 11:42:27 9 23
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I would use your spellchecker before shouting in capitals!
I don't think you can call-out the EU when the UK are unilaterally breaking the Brexit agreement on the NI protocol. This is all a smokescreen
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;-) Probably not contractually obliged to spell correctly either?
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Astrazenica were contracted to deliver to the EU. They didn't.

The EU can make the law in the EU. Including contractual law.

You appear to struggle with that concept.
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22/03/2021 11:45:16 13 14
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Bojo struggles with obeying the law. He lied to the Queen and tried to by-pass Parliament. He has no credibility in the eyes of the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:52:14 8 10
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As opposed to the UK government who just ignore any contracts or treaties they have signed...
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Why does the UK struggle with the concept of International Law.
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22/03/2021 11:58:37 4 7
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Yet I'm sure you voted for Johnson at the last election, a man who has been sacked for lying and has muddied the waters between legal and illegal many times.
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22/03/2021 12:05:07 0 2
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Yes,our wording was much tighter and we insisted our 3 times the uK population doses are distributed first
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Lockdowns don't work
22/03/2021 12:15:28 1 2
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But they are breaking it in a very specific and limited way, so will be ok. The UK could always take them to court
22/03/2021 12:18:40 0 4
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That is a fundamental difference between the English common law system and the EU statist led system. The state basically makes up the rules as it goes along.
22/03/2021 12:26:41 0 1
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They understand it and are responsing with GOVERNMENTAL Law (was used in Oil crisis of 1970s)
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22/03/2021 11:33:47 15 13
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Save your breath Boris
The EU are showing their true colours in holding back vaccines. They were late to the party so now wish to spoil it for everyone else.

Shame on them.
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It's childish and spiteful
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22/03/2021 11:39:53 41 5
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It has really bad optics, whatever the fine detailed reasons might be. The EU needs to step back from the brink on this and reflect on its own mistakes, not punish others for them.
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22/03/2021 11:41:04 19 70
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NO.

Its the UK who is trying to break international law.
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The UK has not exported a single dose. Bojo has gladly accepted 10m doses from EU sources in order to brag about his world beating vaccination roll out.

Maybe EU-haters should refuse to take EU-made vaccines?
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22/03/2021 11:44:20 15 53
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The UK government are showing their true colours in holding back vaccines. They were late to the party so now wish to spoil it for everyone else.

Shame on them.
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22/03/2021 11:44:43 21 22
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I agree that the EU have really messed up on this. But can I just point out one thing:

Number of vaccines exported from the EU to UK: 10 million
Number of Vaccines exported by the UK to anywhere in the world: 0

The EU should never have agreed to export in the first place, but as they have they should follow through. But it is dodgy that we are hoarding our own supply
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22/03/2021 11:48:01 7 14
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Why do you tories love just yourselves,think of people
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The loosely-worded contract that the EU has with Astra-Zeneca is central to this unfortunate situation.

Yet the attitude from the EU is essentially "we are the EU, therefore you will comply with what we want, regardless of what is written in the contract".

A cringe-worthy attempt to bluster their way out of a situation of their own making.
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You really believe the lines you are fed by the media?
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22/03/2021 11:51:09 5 19
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Did you not read the article - 44 million doses exported from the EU but apparently no orders from abroad seem to be leaving the UK - more lies and dirty tricks from the tories.
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22/03/2021 11:50:35 3 2
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If they EU ban exports to the UK of vaccines, I hope the UK will ban exports of the components the EU needs to make its vaccines.
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22/03/2021 12:00:28 0 4
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They’re trying to protect their people
If we were in the brink of another wave, with little access to vaccines let alone uptake, and they were saying they will ban exports preventing our recovery and leaving us in a mess, fair enough
That’s not the case
When they have a wave, we follow
Global problems need global solutions
It looks like we are punishing them, when we are in a position to help
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22/03/2021 12:02:35 1 4
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No they don't. Messed up their roll out yes, beaten by fortune - Oxford worked, Paris didn't. UK Gambles that there wouldn't be side effects. Oddly enough while Brexiteers may laugh at problems elsewhere - Brazil, India, etc - until we're All mostly vaccinated we're all in peril of fresh variants that our jabs won't protect us.
They want to protect their people as well.

Shame on you
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22/03/2021 12:09:42 4 4
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@"The EU are showing their true colours in holding back vaccines."
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Last week, when it transpired the announced delays in the UK were due to India holding back their vaccines (5 million doses due to be shipped to the UK)...

...the anti-EU brigade suddenly changed their tune, and said, yeh, that's life, perfectly fine and justifiable

The stench of an anti-EU agenda could not be stronger
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22/03/2021 12:12:01 1 2
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I'm sure we've not helped either by ordering considerably more doses than we actually need , what does that make our true colours ?
22/03/2021 12:21:25 0 3
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They have sent 10m doses here, we have sent 0 anywhere. Shame on us.
22/03/2021 12:27:20 0 2
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Spoil it for every one else?

They're trying to make sure their citizens get access to it. Considering Brexit was about "taking back control" and putting the UK first, Brexiteers of all people should be able to relate to what they're doing
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I wish Boris would just keep his gob shut. His getting involved makes an export ban almost a certainty.
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He is doing his job by fighting the UK's corner.
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We should not sanction political interference. Its the eu who messed up. Keep out of this
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Theresa May, though
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And they'll tell him to go forth and multiply, on account of we left their gang so have no power any more.
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and starting a trade or vaccine war will help them will it ?
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Don't take any of their spiteful nonsense Boris

show em who's boss
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Thank goodness we've left their cabal
22/03/2021 13:01:18 0 3
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Just remember they have deeper pockets and longer memories than us. We might win the vaccine battle, but they can make us suffer in other ways going forward.
22/03/2021 13:42:18 0 3
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Sums up the stupidity of Brexiteers in a short sentence! Ignore the case for the defence (neither side is 'clean' on this) and write a Daily Express headline instead!
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22/03/2021 11:34:24 16 31
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Yeah hi, it's the guy who has insulted you over and over, and who really hates your club. I need a favour.
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22/03/2021 11:37:17 1 17
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He's got their number.
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22/03/2021 11:39:22 1 2
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Such as vaccine at cost price and upholding the rule of law...
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html

If dates of signatures determine first come first serve ... the EU signed their agreement with Astrazenica 1 day before the UK ....

... so noi leg to stand on Johnson I'm afraid.

“But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract.”

Sorry.
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suspicious
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Except our contract includes 3-4 months of prework and funding to secure the supply chain. Where are the EU's was all about price and quantity.
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The EU signed a contract for a vaccine that they wouldn't approve, and which they still reject.
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From that document: "Soriot confirmed to La Repubblica that his company had agreed to supply the UK before other markets, saying it was "fair enough" because the UK had reached an agreement with AstraZeneca earlier than the EU."
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So this is taking back control after Brexit, grovelling to the EU leaders. Brexiteers are muggs and deserve all they get.
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The EU are threatening to let our citizens die to cover for their own competencies in being unable to procure vaccines properly and you still take their side. I know some people still can't get over Brexit but that's just downright petty
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22/03/2021 11:39:21 4 3
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Not grovelling....warning about repercussions....
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22/03/2021 11:42:14 3 2
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suspect you wont refuse your jab though-unlike the majority of EU folks who cant get it. Cake and eat it comes to mind
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Haven’t seen any grovelling by PM only threats by EU.
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Says the Scotsman whose been suckling off the English for so long now.
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EU commissioner Mairead McGuinness has said that no decisions had been made over any possible export ban and urged all sides to "calm down".

She also said on Marr on Sunday that nothing was off the table....
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She's a bigot.
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More fence sitting than Captain Hindsight
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If all it takes is a phone call to prevent the EU banning the export of vaccine manufactured specifically for export, you have to question the efficacy of the threat in the first place.

I don't think British leaders should be pandering to Merkel's inferiority complex or giving EU leaders cover for their gross negligence in public office.
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And counter to EU assertiion about getting nothing back from the UK, this is simply untrue. Every single EU dose of AZ and Pfizer has its provenance in the UK: AZ through its development and licensing, Pfizer through the contract for supply of essential lipids.
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No guarantee the phone calls are going to work, so threats are being taken at face value. EU have don nothing but make bad noises and excuses over this from the outset, and made it clear, publicly anyway that UK is the big bad wolf. That's par for the course from France and Germany but I suppose the others have to follow the whip or face their displeasure
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I think the tories could teach them something about gross negligence - ask the tens of thousands of relatives of those who died avoidable covid deaths.
22/03/2021 15:59:56 0 0
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Germany inferior. On what basis do you justify that. They are the powerhouse of Europe, UK falling even further behind.
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"The European Commission president says the EU can "forbid" vaccines made on the continent being sent to the UK."

So during a world-wide pandemic, the EU threaten to use their own "powers" to restrict the distribution of life saving vaccines to other countries. Disgraceful.

I am ever more glad that we are out.
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In a world wide pandemic, the UK has not exported a single dose.

How insular and selfish is that?
22/03/2021 14:04:19 1 1
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The UK started banning the export of medicines that could be used to treat covid back in February 2020 and since then that list has grown to over 100. So it's rather disingenuous to call out the EU for suggesting that they will ban exports when the UK has been at it for more than a year!

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/medicines-that-cannot-be-parallel-exported-from-the-uk
22/03/2021 15:54:59 0 0
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Do you ever grasp facts EU exported 40 million doses worldwide, 10 million to UK. How many have UK exported, none. So blinded by anti EU sentiment.
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Boris will crumble yet again giving away the UK Vaccine supply to the EU
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He wouldn't dare....
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With a bonus pilchard with each dose
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Please people, there should be no bans on the vaccine!

Everyone must have access to it, this is meant to be a global effort!
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Correct. But fact is, the UK hasn’t exported a single dose. EU has exported 10 million to UK. So who is doing their bit to make it a global effort?
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Someone needs to remind the EU
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Try telling UK, exports none.
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22/03/2021 11:35:20 22 5
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Stupid posturing by politicians.

The virus doesn't care. It doesn't care about borders. As long as a significant population of un-immunised are within reach, it will infect them and mutate, and the mutations WILL get into the UK and undo all the hard work on vaccines despite this weird imagination some have of being simply able to close borders forever.
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The trouble is, there's nothing the UK can do to fix the fact that the EU has screwed up its roll-out. They're much bigger than the UK and we only make enough vaccine here to fill part of the UK demand - there's no way we can supply enough to fix the EU's shortfalls. All the posturing about UK-made vaccines from the EU is a cynical way to distract from their own screw-ups, nothing more.
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While the EU and other western nations fight it out over vaccine supplies, China is watching on and laughing because they’ve already won the whole war. They managed to get the world copying its police state means of dealing with a pandemic (which made us so heavily reliant on this vaccine in the first place) and we’re all suffering because of that policy.
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They have one of the lowest vaccination rates in the world. Obviously its up to someone else to clear up their mess while they profit from it
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Are you a Bristol thug?
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22/03/2021 12:09:17 1 6
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If the uk had locked down as thoroughly as others, we would not be in the mess we are in.

Our LDs would have been harder, but much shorter and resulted in much lower health and economic damage.

The virus loves woke libertarian soft restrictions, it thrives on the opportunities they provide.

UK has failed to treat the virus with respect, and has paid the price with three long and damaging waves.
22/03/2021 12:11:34 2 2
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Actually, if the Western World would have applied China's Police state methode, the pandemic would have been long gone.
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BSUB didn't get his walkies today?
The EU are showing their true colours in holding back vaccines. They were late to the party so now wish to spoil it for everyone else.

Shame on them.
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It's childish and spiteful
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22/03/2021 11:58:44 2 4
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This sort of comment is childish. Think if we were in the situation producing a high number of vaccines and only a few end up in our citizens arm. Can you imagine the Express front pages? Both Britain and the EU are trying to put their citizens first. Mistakes have been made on both sides. As for Astra Seneca doubts, I really think they were not political but the right wing propaganda has spoken.
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22/03/2021 12:03:09 1 5
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Exactly how i'd describe the UK Popular press and brexiteers response
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If only there were someone to complain to about it

Whoops there isn't

Or if we had any influence, or a vote, or a veto

Oh dear

Never mind, just call them some more nasty names

That will make them think again
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22/03/2021 12:11:13 1 3
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"It's childish and spiteful"

But according to the export figures we've used 10M of their vaccines and they've had none of ours because we haven't exported any vaccine.

Their electorate aren't going to allow that to continue and however much we up the anti-EU rhetoric we'd do exactly the same (in fact we have done, which is why they're so annoyed).

Diplomacy not insults is the only way forward.
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22/03/2021 11:35:26 15 6
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Let’s try to dial down the rhetoric on all sides.
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I agree but no chance.
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Of course if UK has to pause its rollout to allow EU to catch up, it goes without saying that all of Europe is on the travel red list this summer....
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If all it takes is a phone call to prevent the EU banning the export of vaccine manufactured specifically for export, you have to question the efficacy of the threat in the first place.

I don't think British leaders should be pandering to Merkel's inferiority complex or giving EU leaders cover for their gross negligence in public office.
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And counter to EU assertiion about getting nothing back from the UK, this is simply untrue. Every single EU dose of AZ and Pfizer has its provenance in the UK: AZ through its development and licensing, Pfizer through the contract for supply of essential lipids.
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Why expect EU politicians to understand complex facts, any better than those in UK.

Like BoJo bluster to hide mistakes.

The EU is teaching businesses is that it is not a good place to operate.

And as to threats re patents, these are essential to many pharma profits and those fund Covid vacc, all drug, development.

Many will reviewing plans.

Hopefully UK will get a slice of that action.
22/03/2021 12:54:02 2 14
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Not quite. The Pfizer vaccine was developed in Germany by a German/Turkish team. AstraZeneca is a UK-Swedish company, with its manufacturing in the Netherlands and Belgium ...so to say this was all UK's doing is not true.
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So how many doses to EU from UK. Simple question
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22/03/2021 11:35:34 218 39
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Here we go;

Brexiters - "The EU is showing its true colours!"

Remainers - "This wouldn't be a problem if we were still part of the EU!"

That should cover off most the comments I expect to follow.
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Hahaha so true
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except this would be a worse problem if we were in the EU because we'd almost certainly be stuck where France and Germany are now.
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22/03/2021 11:43:58 31 7
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Disagree. I'm a remainer (still am), but I think the nation are united on this issue. The EU are embarrassing themselves here.
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22/03/2021 11:57:02 15 9
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How can anyone dare suggest this wouldnt be a problem if we were still in the EU!? It would be a bigger problem because we wouldn't have been able to sign our own deals for the vaccine. We would be in the boat and up the proverbial creek with the rest of that hideous regime.
22/03/2021 13:03:19 0 0
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You must be a mind reader.
22/03/2021 13:26:46 1 1
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And both lots of HYS commenters don't really know what would have been the situation either way. The detailed implications of remaining or leaving are too complicated for the vast majority to understand, hence it came down to petty nationalism vs better safe than sorry - neither being a good basis to decide a country's future.
22/03/2021 13:48:41 1 4
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Don't forget "Boris has done a fantastic job of the vaccine rollout" while ignoring the fact that the vaccine rollout is literally the only part of the pandemic they left to the NHS, hence why it's been succesful
22/03/2021 17:06:14 0 0
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Except only one of those statements has a basis in truth.
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22/03/2021 11:35:36 601 69
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I understand AstraZeneca are supplying these vaccines on a not for profit basis. How many other companies are doing the same?

Outrageous behaviour from Ms von der Leyen
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22/03/2021 11:40:16 125 501
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Did you really believe that Brexit would not have consequences !!!!!!!!!!
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22/03/2021 11:42:12 63 3
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And the EU still tried to negotiate the price!
817
22/03/2021 12:07:05 3 12
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How do your two points connect?

If at all?

Ms von der Leyen does not decide company pricing or policies. So there seems to be no connection, more a smear
22/03/2021 12:27:45 4 9
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False. They were initially but have gone the other way and stand to make billions from it as they dont want less developed countries making the vaccine itself incase that results in illness or reactions due to poorer conditions. This change I think only occured in the past week or two
22/03/2021 12:29:48 0 6
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"Not-for-profit" generally means "our accountants have found a tax-loophole" and we can book all costs to this. No-one would object to them making a reasonable profit, and I'm sure they are really.
22/03/2021 12:39:42 2 5
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"Not for profit" reality check......HUGE production line expansion paid for by you and me (our taxes, our coffers), both here in the UK and every other AZ facility. Guaranteed contracts at profit prices. A complete industrial supply chain guaranteed for the next five years as plenty of profit earned by at least two variant vaccines each year and 40 million doses per annum. Very noble of AZ.
22/03/2021 12:47:21 1 2
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No surprise there though, is there ?
22/03/2021 12:51:00 1 4
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Not for profit? They are testing a vaccs on you with a no liability clause. Thats unethical in my book.
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22/03/2021 11:35:36 743 96
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When in a hole. Stop digging.

The EU is starting to look like a questionable place to do business. Jumping on a company's patents and intellectual property is not going to win them many friends.
Remainers don't like the taste of vaccinated Gammon Removed
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22/03/2021 11:44:58 99 20
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The EU are a total disgrace. All those protests about 'the rule of law' re. Brexit (right up until Section 16 invoked), and now contract law and intellectual property can be ripped up when it suits.

And to think, they dare to say the UK can't be trusted!
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22/03/2021 11:47:48 42 114
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The EU has provided 10m vaccines to the UK. Why is that questionable?

Oh forgot, you just hate the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:49:00 25 62
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The EU contains about half a billion people. That's a lot of friends.

Astrazenica simply need to deliver what they promised.
Boris could sell you wasters anything - care to buy a Brooklyn Bridge? Removed
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22/03/2021 11:52:29 44 8
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I should think that companies thus treated by the EU would move abroad and that would serve the EU right.
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22/03/2021 11:58:11 38 3
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Yeah, and this article doesn't even mention the really damning part of the Guardian report it links to - although banning exports could delay UK vaccinations by up to two months, it'd only speed up vaccinations in the EU by a bit over a week. They get almost no benefit from this, except for hurting the UK to distract from their own problems. It's a really nasty, cynical ploy.
22/03/2021 12:16:09 10 5
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Exactly. The eu has done a great job of demonstrating how bad attitude they are to the entire world. That must have know on effects on business, why risk your products getting 'jailed' inside the eu?
22/03/2021 12:07:15 9 4
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I completely agree. This marks the dawn of an mass exodus of big multinational pharma from the EU27.
Pip
22/03/2021 12:28:21 1 2
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Wonder where they learnt to do that...........?
22/03/2021 12:32:18 0 8
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Gammon.
Ian
22/03/2021 12:48:07 7 0
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The vaccine doses that are being made in the EU are only available because the UK took a chance and made full orders before the testing was complete.
We knew that we may end up not able to use some if the testing was not passed.

Mrs von der Leyen held back and waited which has caused the EU shortage.
Now she is suggesting taking ours to cover her mistakes.

Future production should return to UK.
22/03/2021 12:55:41 1 5
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Brexiteers should boycott EU-made stuff, like the vaccine. That'll teach 'em. Who won the war anyway?
22/03/2021 13:22:41 1 0
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They probably feel that whats good enough for the Chinese is good enough for them.
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22/03/2021 11:35:40 4 4
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"The numbers you have called are unavailable, please try later". Messages receive in No 10 this week.
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22/03/2021 11:39:24 1 1
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How does it feel being a minority
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22/03/2021 11:35:42 30 14
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The EU is getting far too dictatorial and makes life difficult for any country that doesn't comply with their dictates. History shows in which direction this is going. We should make every effort to reduce our dependency on them and their products. Our genuine friends are in the Commonwealth and not in Europe.
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22/03/2021 11:38:16 10 5
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Sure. Have you been tracking the populist Indian government? You want to know about dictatorial govts, look no further than that Commonwealth country ??
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22/03/2021 11:42:51 1 4
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Yet, our friends in the Commonwealth get their vaccines from Europe, not from us. I guess they see that too.
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22/03/2021 12:01:27 4 1
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Whatever our feelings about the Commonwealth David, we can't assume reciprocal feelings as we left many in the lurch when we joined the EEC 40+ years ago, and their trading arrangements are very different now. There's a lot of bridge building I suspect needs to be done, and it could be to our mutual benefit with the increasing aggression and dominance of China everywhere
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22/03/2021 11:34:01 17 31
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I wish Boris would just keep his gob shut. His getting involved makes an export ban almost a certainty.
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22/03/2021 11:35:47 13 6
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He is doing his job by fighting the UK's corner.
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22/03/2021 11:35:49 473 41
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They diss the vaccine, they turn many of their people against the vaccine
They claim the vaccine is no good
Yet won't allow it to be exported to other countries?
Are prepared to take over private factories/facilities & patents?
If I was a private business
I'd be looking to relocate to some where less 'dictatorial'
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22/03/2021 11:47:58 143 345
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You're conflating what the EU says with what individual EU member states say. The EU approved the vaccine through its medicines agency. Individual EU member states have voiced concerns and withdrawn it. Why can't Brexiteers get their heads around what the EU does and what sovereign nations do??
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22/03/2021 11:48:47 19 24
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Macron started it.
549
22/03/2021 11:57:24 9 16
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That won't be here then in Boris' authoritarian paradise.
ADB
22/03/2021 12:15:12 6 4
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Firstly well done to the UK on the vaccine rollout - world leading.
Very few here in NL are "dissing" the vaccine or saying its no good. The (AstraZeneca) vaccines missed will be caught up within 2 weeks and I doubt if premier Rutte will vote for an export ban.
Finally, the EU have delivered 10 million vaccines to UK so far, and the UK zero to the EU. It takes two to tango.
22/03/2021 12:38:28 3 2
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I think you'll find that they have exported 40 million doses.
22/03/2021 12:52:56 1 0
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That might be difficult seeing as half the world is run by dictators a large chunk is run by communists and the rest of us live in sham democracies.
22/03/2021 13:23:32 0 0
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I hear the UK is a fantastic option now it's no longer part of the mess across the channel.
22/03/2021 13:25:44 0 0
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Like China....?
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22/03/2021 11:35:50 142 40
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Shameful actions by the EU. The mask slips, self-interest races to the fore and they are exposed as the scrapmen in suits they are.

No sign of the four freedoms they espouse to hold so dear - except when it doesn't suit.

Von Der Leyen has been a disaster already. Hard to think someone can make Juncker look this professional.

Amazed BBC has a HYS with a potential to be critical of the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:54:13 54 14
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'Amazed BBC has a HYS with a potential to be critical of the EU'
Yeah, it makes a change, or at least makes a change to have HYS about something we might have strong feelings about, irrespective of opinion.
22/03/2021 12:18:44 0 3
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any chance of which of the four freedoms is being in fringed? Any chance you actually know what the 4 freedoms are?
22/03/2021 12:09:49 3 1
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I would have thought it impossible to downgrade from Juncker yet somehow the EU have managed it. VDL appears entirely out of her depth with a crisis of this magnitude and appears to be panicking and lurching from one poorly though out strategy to another.
22/03/2021 12:09:50 1 5
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"Self interest races to the fore", takes one to know one.

Root of the problem is actually the EU not being as selfish as the UK initially.
22/03/2021 12:57:48 1 3
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Isn't the self-interest here on the UK side? - ordering 5 times more vaccines than we need, and refusing to export them to the much larger EU. Then complaining about EU possibly not exporting them to the UK, when it was the UK that refused to be in a single market with them, and insisting on putting up barriers to trade that aren't helpful to anyone.
22/03/2021 13:21:52 1 0
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Yeah, there's never any moaning on HYS about the EU is there?
22/03/2021 13:29:25 0 1
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Why somebody has to expect EU to be good or honest or etc... EU is on its way for further integration and to become a Super Power - second or third in the world - if it succeeds. This kind of structures usually do whatever they want (see BE in the past or US now)- actually this is the main point any state to want to be a Super Power. Brexit or remain can not change this basic thing.
22/03/2021 16:05:58 0 1
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No BBC don't need one. Rely on hysterical tory controlled right wing media. Suspect you read the anti EU vitriol every day.
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22/03/2021 11:35:50 184 54
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EU can’t accept that UK did better being an independent country than not being tied to their bureaucracy. If they try to impose export ban, the world won’t forgive them.
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22/03/2021 11:39:37 55 113
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'The world' or sections of the UK?
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22/03/2021 11:41:06 4 22
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Brexiteers can't accept facts.

Bojo's bad deal has increased bureaucracy for UK companies, hence the slump in exports.
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22/03/2021 11:42:58 2 23
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Rubbish, if certain countries had not paid over the odds prices to purchase all the available vaccines, many times over what is actually needed then there would be a fair distribution to other Countries. This is a world problem and not a UK problem. So just maybe the world won’t forgive UK!
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22/03/2021 12:00:19 13 3
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The EU are literally costing people their lives across the world due to their own negligence and school yard tactics yet there are still Remain lunatics trying to defend them and deflect the blame on to the UK. Last time I checked the vaccine was developed and manufactured in the UK and being exported worldwide whilst the EU struggle to manufacture it and block any exports of it.
22/03/2021 12:48:42 0 4
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"If they try to impose export ban, the world won’t forgive them"

The world would be rightly miffed as the EU is actually exporting vaccine like India, China and Russia.

It's more likely the world would then look at the countries that aren't exporting vaccine and wish they hadn't highlighted the issue, leading to exports everywhere being ramped downwards.

Those countries? The US and UK.
22/03/2021 13:20:22 0 2
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The world does not care. If the shoe was on the other foot and the whole of Europe were half vaccinated while we had only 5% done, I suspect that people (especially Brexiteers) would want an export ban from here to Europe.

Don't blame people for doing what you would do in their shoes, instead blame Governments for trashing the reputation of teh AZ vaccine, that was a true own goal
22/03/2021 15:58:13 0 0
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Whose banning exports. Not the EU but still facts obviously don't matter. Ask the question, how many doses have UK exported, none. EU 40 million. Usual anti EU tirade.
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22/03/2021 11:35:59 1019 108
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First the vaccine wasn't effective
Then it might be dangerous
Now they want to ban its export

You couldn't make it up
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22/03/2021 11:40:10 418 46
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exactly. I can understand why they would want to get the excuses in early for when our rollout is complete before theirs has even started, but would it kill them to at least be consistent in their excuses.
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22/03/2021 11:41:52 37 151
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Yet you just did.
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22/03/2021 11:42:00 77 13
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Also it was designed by UK scientists.
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22/03/2021 11:42:30 103 10
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Quite, although it's entirely normal human behaviour and therefore to be expected ...

... in seven year olds.
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22/03/2021 11:42:53 109 29
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They won't use it yet don't want anyone else to have it
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22/03/2021 11:45:45 38 159
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"First the vaccine wasn't effective
Then it might be dangerous
Now they want to ban its export

You couldn't make it up"

You have made it up. It is approved by the EU medicines' agency, which used to be in the UK btw.
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22/03/2021 11:59:33 19 4
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Has the USA OK'd "our" jab?
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Lin
22/03/2021 12:00:28 16 5
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Don't forget to add the majority of their citizens don't believe its safe and don't want it anyway
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22/03/2021 12:01:02 20 42
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Yet you did make it up.

The EU's medicines regulator, the EMA, has always said that the AZ vaccine was safe and effective.

It's the regulators of individual European states who pressed pause whilst further data was analysed, not the EU.
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22/03/2021 12:01:56 25 71
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The UK has been busy vaccinating Leave voters with EU-made vaccines.

Side effects appear to be a continued, irrational hatred of the EU. It may be untreatable.
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22/03/2021 12:02:21 16 46
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They were just following the evidence. The UK took flyers on some decisions, without having yet got all the evidence that would normally be required. The EU were just doing things by the (science) book.

Funny how when it transpired the delays in the UK last week were due to India choosing to keep their vaccine for themselves, the anti-EU brigade didn't bat an eye lid! Stark double standards!!
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22/03/2021 12:02:32 16 60
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What you're saying is true, but it doesn't matter an inch.

What matters is that they NOW want to keep the vaccine THEY produce.

Which is the SAME THING YOU WOULD DO.

So save the anti-European hysteria for another occasion.
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22/03/2021 12:11:20 13 18
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You just did ... why is it you haven't understood the different roles of EU member states; the EU; the EMA; the WHO?
You simplistically confuse and conflate for the sake of making a cheap and ill-informed 'point'.
966
22/03/2021 12:13:16 6 7
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You Couldn't make up how this is reported by the British press!
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22/03/2021 12:13:28 9 21
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Boris Johnson's vaccine nationalism is counter productive in this battle. The enemy is COVID not the EU. Reservoir of COVID allows it the opportunity to mutate, to become more virulent, more deadly or vaccine resistant. Johnson needs to act like a responsible adult for once and authorise vaccine exports.
22/03/2021 12:17:49 7 19
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All not rosey in lala land then? Boris will have to phone it in as we won't have any representation at the EU's 'vital meeting.' Me thinks its tit-for-tat, for the UK refusing to supply Europe with the Oxford-Astra vaccine. But you would think Boris would have been on the phone long before now... what's he been doing? Oh, of course, he doesn't work weekends does he?
22/03/2021 12:23:16 5 14
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Why does the UK ban the export of its vaccines? Tell me!!!
22/03/2021 12:30:47 5 7
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Now you know why we left it.
22/03/2021 12:31:59 0 1
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I think the point is the dialogue probably is made up.

Everyone wants delay and endless political arguments serves this well by kicking issues into the long grass.

Benefits EU to allow time for manufacturing in EU to ramp up.
Benefits UK to get most of population safely vaccinated before any action actually taken.
22/03/2021 12:45:31 0 0
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Well of course you could , the EU have .
22/03/2021 12:47:01 3 7
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Leavers should do the honourable thing and boycott EU-made doses.
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22/03/2021 11:33:09 6 5
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Wonder what he will say to them.
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22/03/2021 11:35:59 1 15
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" have a word "
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22/03/2021 11:34:21 14 16
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And they'll tell him to go forth and multiply, on account of we left their gang so have no power any more.
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22/03/2021 11:36:02 8 3
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and starting a trade or vaccine war will help them will it ?
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22/03/2021 11:38:57 4 3
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We didn't start it, it voz ze germans (probably)
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22/03/2021 11:41:37 0 4
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Maybe, maybe not, but it'd certainly liven things up on this dreary little planet.
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ARB
22/03/2021 11:36:08 333 46
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Von far Leyen cocks up, has a hissy fit and wants our vaccines that we ordered. Glad to see the EU hierarchy is working true to form.
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22/03/2021 11:59:38 125 334
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Covid deaths per million:

UK: 1,851
Italy: 1,738
Spain: 1,559
France: 1,412
Germany: 896

We've had more deaths, and spent more days in lockdown than any of these countries. But yeah, we've handled this so brilliantly.......
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22/03/2021 12:12:38 5 58
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Yes, good old Johnson had made sure the UK doesn't export vaccines to anyone else until all the brits have had both their jabs. OK, variants might come because we've said stuff you to the world, but look at the popularity
22/03/2021 12:59:09 0 0
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Shouldn't be the slightest surprise to anyone that has had to deal with them .
22/03/2021 13:19:39 0 2
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Talking about countries hoarding vaccine. Ask yourself why the UK has ordered 200m more doses than it needs to give its entire population 2 jabs?
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22/03/2021 11:36:15 17 24
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The EU has exported 10 million doses to the UK. And the UK has exported zero doses to the EU. And Bunter wants to talk about not banning exports!
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22/03/2021 11:41:14 10 1
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UK has a legal contract with AZ, EU had a very weak contract with AZ. Bad negotiation on their part.
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22/03/2021 11:42:04 5 1
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Has the EU exported any vaccines?
Or is it, private companies in the EU have exported vaccines and now the EU want to stop private companies doing business
Is it also the UK hasn't, or private companies based here haven't?
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22/03/2021 11:54:22 3 1
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Global supply chains of a multinational company is a concept lost on you obviously.
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22/03/2021 11:36:21 15 16
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No10 spin machine & supporting tabloids making maximum use of “useful idiots” who are too lazy to understand the whole context.??
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22/03/2021 11:36:21 19 25
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Over 36% of the vaccines administered in the UK have been sourced from the EU. Conversely, the UK has not exported a single dose.

The anti-EU brigade may want to reflect on where their vaccine has come from and be more grateful.
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22/03/2021 11:39:28 10 1
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The EU didn't make the vaccines. Private companies made them. It's very simple. Our government entered into contracts with private companies to purchase goods. Many months before EU bureaucrats managed to do the same. If you order a coffee at Starbucks, do you expect to get yours before or after the person 6 places behind you in the queue?
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22/03/2021 11:40:25 5 1
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The Uk don't make the vaccine
Private companies do that
Ask them why they haven't exported any to the EU?
Might have something to do with lack of demand seeing as the EU has spent so much effort 'dissing' the AZ vaccine
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22/03/2021 11:40:09 2 1
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out of a UK lab. So very grateful
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22/03/2021 11:53:32 2 1
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Astrazenica perhaps?
22/03/2021 12:15:22 2 1
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Pitiful comment.
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22/03/2021 11:36:39 9 8
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If EU blockade prevents Pfizer 2nd doses within 12 weeks, is there legal recourse against EU for affected UK citizens ?
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22/03/2021 11:53:30 0 1
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Only if the EU acts illegally.
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22/03/2021 11:36:43 3 2
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Well Well, it's like "Who Wants to be a Millionaire", except your lifeline certainly wouldn't be "Phone a friend"..........
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22/03/2021 11:34:24 85 52
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Don't take any of their spiteful nonsense Boris

show em who's boss
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22/03/2021 11:36:43 66 42
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Thank goodness we've left their cabal
22/03/2021 15:08:59 0 1
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You won't be thanking Bozo when you see the long term problems it is causing, just think of those small companies having to set up hubs inside the EU to avoid the problems of brexit who will be paying their taxes into EU coffers not British coffers, and then there is all those millionaires who will be able to continue to avoid paying tax, thanks to the brexiteers.
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22/03/2021 11:36:57 283 43
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All this is about is the EU incompetence and face saving, is still about their pettiness and the fact the the UK can organise and survive without them and to stop others leaving the sinking ship.
451
22/03/2021 11:54:24 90 310
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Yawn. No one is leaving the EU.

Conversely, Barbados is leaving the Commonwealth. Expect more to follow as countries reject outdated imperialist sentiments. The UK itself is in more danger of splitting apart than the EU.

Maybe get your own house in order before criticising the EU?
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22/03/2021 12:03:02 43 3
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Absolutely. From the linked Guardian article: this export ban could delay UK vaccinations by up to two months but 'would speed up the full vaccination of every adult in the EU by “just over a week”'. Doing this has almost no benefit for their own vaccination rollout, it's just about hurting the UK to distract from their own screw-ups. Astoundingly petty.
When the true figures are used the highest death rate in Europe - no wonder Boris is trying to hijack the credit for the NHS' magnificent vaccination rollout- imagine if Dildo Harding the Cheltenham spreader had been in charge of it. Removed
22/03/2021 12:16:15 2 31
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Yawn - come off it lad. No one but the brexit elite EVER said the UK wouldn't survive. Many, including the ONS and other government bodies said we'd not end up as richer as we could vbe.
No one else is leaving
Please explain to the fishermen why brexiteers lied to them. Supertrawler ban? Johnson says no Stop selling quota to companies? Johnson says no.
Or are you another leaver who never cared?
22/03/2021 12:36:18 0 8
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If there is a sinking ship it's the UK, it's got 5 years left at best.
22/03/2021 13:49:33 0 0
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Hasn't organised the NI border too well, I'm afraid.
Think Johnson needs Carrie to run a bath for him.
22/03/2021 15:46:01 0 0
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Time will tell the only sinking ship is the UK.
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22/03/2021 11:37:01 404 43
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This has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines and everything to do with which economy gains a competitive advantage by getting itself back on track sooner. The EU have been caught short plain and simple.
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22/03/2021 11:49:09 112 373
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The EU has a competitive advantage because of the SM & CU. Once Covid is over, the true extent of the damaging Brexit deal will be clear. You won't be able to hide behind Covid and the damage will have been done. Just ask the fishermen.
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22/03/2021 11:49:34 34 26
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The EU is a busted flush.
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22/03/2021 11:58:46 6 11
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Ah ! You've sussed Boris' plan - so that's why no vaccines are leaving the UK.
22/03/2021 12:42:07 1 4
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I thought it was to do with human life, fairness and equity for the world. Not Tory ideals, I know.
22/03/2021 15:40:05 0 0
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So why have EU announced a covid recovery package worth billions. Where's the UK plan and funded by what. Answer on the back of a postage stamp please.
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22/03/2021 11:37:04 12 15
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Will they believe anything he says!
No one else does
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22/03/2021 11:44:12 0 1
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Yes we do!
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22/03/2021 11:49:00 0 1
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I do.
47
22/03/2021 11:37:08 3 17
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Boris the EU Lap dog will do what he is told by his EU Masters yet again
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22/03/2021 11:48:43 0 2
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No he won't.
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22/03/2021 11:34:51 12 35
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So this is taking back control after Brexit, grovelling to the EU leaders. Brexiteers are muggs and deserve all they get.
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22/03/2021 11:37:15 9 5
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The EU are threatening to let our citizens die to cover for their own competencies in being unable to procure vaccines properly and you still take their side. I know some people still can't get over Brexit but that's just downright petty
10
22/03/2021 11:34:24 16 31
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Yeah hi, it's the guy who has insulted you over and over, and who really hates your club. I need a favour.
49
22/03/2021 11:37:17 1 17
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He's got their number.
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22/03/2021 11:37:17 54 23
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Thank God we’re out.
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22/03/2021 11:43:00 10 27
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Do tell is the benefits aside from one issue, the vaccine.
51
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Oh dear, yet another UK vs EU HYS, it's all getting rather tiresome now. Nothing available to comment on the swathes of 'great unwashed' anarchists doing their level-best to destroy our nation though I see - the BBC probably couldn't bear anyone saying a bad word about them though. Removed
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22/03/2021 11:34:33 9 23
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html

If dates of signatures determine first come first serve ... the EU signed their agreement with Astrazenica 1 day before the UK ....

... so noi leg to stand on Johnson I'm afraid.

“But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract.”

Sorry.
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22/03/2021 11:35:04 18 3
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EU commissioner Mairead McGuinness has said that no decisions had been made over any possible export ban and urged all sides to "calm down".

She also said on Marr on Sunday that nothing was off the table....
53
22/03/2021 11:37:28 20 10
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She's a bigot.
54
22/03/2021 11:37:35 7 15
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The eu are right to hold the vaccine back, it shows they care for their own population
82
22/03/2021 11:39:15 6 1
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With 7million unused doses wasting away in EU medical fridges last week? Aye rite.
130
22/03/2021 11:41:20 0 1
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The vaccine is safe. This is about something else entirely.
431
22/03/2021 11:48:01 0 2
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If they cared so much they wouldn't put the EU project ahead of saving lives.
55
22/03/2021 11:37:38 8 15
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No doubt Boris will fold and do a U-turn as he always does.
200
22/03/2021 11:43:44 1 4
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He has not made any u turns since be coming PM,just media myths.
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22/03/2021 11:37:38 601 48
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7 million + AZ unused across the EU, high levels of anti vax sentiment, resurgent infection rates..... bad press...... time to manufacture a conflict to cover up for the EU’s poor performance. A shameful waste of effort whilst people are dying.
We can't gloat. Not with 130,000 deaths, the highest toll in Europe.

What is more important, a life or a jab?
504
22/03/2021 11:56:25 30 67
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Yes those dodgy PPE contracts and the Johnson/Hancock track and trace were disastrous.
609
22/03/2021 11:55:24 22 83
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And still the UK has far more deaths per million people than Germany, France, Spain or Italy!!
22/03/2021 12:38:08 2 7
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"7 million + AZ unused across the EU,"

Please can you cite your source?

It's just that these countries have free presses and they don't seem to be highlighting this while they undergo a 3rd wave. I don't believe the UK press would allow such a situation to occur here unreported and therefore it's unlikely they would elsewhere.

Or you're quoting old news from late Feb.
22/03/2021 12:38:09 13 1
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The government can’t be blamed if we have more unhealthy individuals who eat and drink too much, don’t exercise and consume drugs. Linked is behaviour clearly seen yesterday at Bristol with too many people treating safety measures as a joke.
22/03/2021 12:51:10 4 0
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That’s the truth. The EU has failed compared to the USA and the U.K.
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22/03/2021 11:34:33 9 23
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html

If dates of signatures determine first come first serve ... the EU signed their agreement with Astrazenica 1 day before the UK ....

... so noi leg to stand on Johnson I'm afraid.

“But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract.”

Sorry.
57
22/03/2021 11:37:49 0 15
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suspicious
58
22/03/2021 11:37:52 112 15
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Von Der Lyeon - disaster of an appointment.
158
22/03/2021 11:42:14 50 136
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There have been worse appointments...like Johnson as PM.
302
22/03/2021 11:48:34 15 4
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Like many in the EU, she got there by means of a horizontal promotion after failing at home.
59
22/03/2021 11:37:59 50 10
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EU: Condemns what they call "vaccine nationalism"

Also EU: Blocks vaccine exports.

Hypocrites covering up the bad procurement job they've done and after talking down and shelving the AZ vaccine want someone else to blame for its third wave.
22/03/2021 13:38:24 1 6
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They haven't blocked vaccine exports. The rumour is that they do not intend to. Yet you have swallowed the anti-EU propaganda that they have blocked exports. They have exported 41,000,000 vaccines to our 0.
60
22/03/2021 11:38:01 17 5
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We shouldn’t be relying on vaccines from abroad and the EU has been shambolic in organising its rollout of the vaccination.
338
22/03/2021 11:50:35 11 1
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I'm afraid that ship has sailed. Most vaccines, including the AZ one, are manufactured in several plants around the world which, in turn, need reagents sourced from yet more countries. So their manufacture relies on international cooperation, not petty politicking. It's high time all politicians stopped behaving like 6 year olds in the playground, grew up and became adults.
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22/03/2021 11:38:10 5 4
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Seems there are a lot of pots and kettles from both sides. To say there is no "vaccine nationalism" or politicisation of this from our gov is plainly rubbish. This has been the only chance the gov has had to make nay political capital out of Brexit, even though it is not really a Brexit issue.
343
22/03/2021 11:50:45 0 1
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Really? The EU has messed up. It could humbly ask the UK to help. Instead it's trying to blame everybody.

Note however that the plants set up in the UK for it's own requirements fall way short of being able to fix the EU's problems. Any help would be 'symbolic'.
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22/03/2021 11:38:13 6 13
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We in the EU cannot take UK and your PM seriously. You had made your decision to leave. Do not expect solidarity now. All your membership in EU was about making our lives more difficult , always wanted an exception, be treated differently. Never stood as an item, never acting in unison. Did not like our union then bon voyage. Look after your internal union, now. The Kingdom.
177
22/03/2021 11:42:53 0 2
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It does It mean that you you break agreements however.
184
22/03/2021 11:43:03 0 2
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You don't even have solidarity in the EU so I have no idea what you are going on about ... the UK has now left the EU and the outcome is a 100% European vaccine program agreed and participated but all 27 EU members without UK influence.

How is that working out for you ?

Where has your FOM gone ?

Do you agree with new border restrictions and passports in order to travel EU citizen ?
190
22/03/2021 11:41:18 0 2
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We in the UK cannot take you seriously. People are dying because of your jealousy
191
22/03/2021 11:42:07 0 2
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It's called democracy.
You can keep your dictatorship and jealousy towards The Kingdom.
203
22/03/2021 11:43:52 0 2
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No one asked for solidarity, no one asked for aggression, threats and lies. The Eu have provided the later. They are choosing to ignore the rule of law being at best disingenuous.
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22/03/2021 11:35:42 30 14
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The EU is getting far too dictatorial and makes life difficult for any country that doesn't comply with their dictates. History shows in which direction this is going. We should make every effort to reduce our dependency on them and their products. Our genuine friends are in the Commonwealth and not in Europe.
63
22/03/2021 11:38:16 10 5
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Sure. Have you been tracking the populist Indian government? You want to know about dictatorial govts, look no further than that Commonwealth country ??
64
22/03/2021 11:38:17 35 12
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But didn't we develop and give the EU the AZ vaccine for free, no patent charges required ? There's gratitude for you.
236
22/03/2021 11:45:30 6 19
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No
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22/03/2021 11:56:43 9 2
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Not quite free but non-profit so it only covered the cost of production however the point is still valid
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22/03/2021 11:38:21 178 33
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The EU questioned the safety of the Astra Zeneca jab, paused the vaccination roll out, didn’t want it until it has been proven safe. Smacks of double standards to me and appalling behaviour to boot. Shame on the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:51:36 64 54
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No they didn't. The EU approved it.
22/03/2021 12:38:07 2 5
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Smacks of common sense, rather than the scatter cannon uk approach. Try harder.
22/03/2021 13:22:05 1 1
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As usual for the brexiter your grasp of facts are at best non existent. The EU had nothing to do with pausing the roll out. Those were decisions made by independent countries. The EU isn't a state. No wonder we left the world's largest free trade zone if yours is the level of understanding from the public.
22/03/2021 13:34:34 0 0
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The 'EU' didn't question its safety - several sovereign states who are also members did. Have you STILL not understood. It's a downside of democracy that people who haven't a clue how things work still get to vote on it.
22/03/2021 13:55:23 0 0
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smacks of safety first to me.
Though it was only a few countries exercising their sovereignty, not the EU.
22/03/2021 13:58:48 0 0
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no the EU did not. Individual country regulators did
22/03/2021 15:52:36 0 0
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So you roll it out whether you believe its safe. or not. US only done it today. Don't notice any anti US comments on here. Wonder why.
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22/03/2021 11:33:09 6 5
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Wonder what he will say to them.
66
22/03/2021 11:38:26 5 4
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"stop behaving like petulant children"
67
22/03/2021 11:38:28 9 7
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Will be interesting if the EU decide to breach contract, not that they have past form eh? Let's force the issue..
125
22/03/2021 11:41:11 0 4
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Many independent think tanks say Boris has mismanaged everything. Don't let him on the phone.
126
22/03/2021 11:41:12 0 2
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I suggest you look at who threatened to break International law first...Johnson. And I deed he is now breaking the agreement made in his fantastic Brexit deal lie.
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22/03/2021 11:35:10 2 20
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Boris will crumble yet again giving away the UK Vaccine supply to the EU
68
22/03/2021 11:38:33 1 2
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He wouldn't dare....
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22/03/2021 11:34:01 17 31
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I wish Boris would just keep his gob shut. His getting involved makes an export ban almost a certainty.
69
22/03/2021 11:38:38 2 7
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We should not sanction political interference. Its the eu who messed up. Keep out of this
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22/03/2021 11:38:39 25 8
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EU being exposed for what it is, it may profess unity but when push comes to shove, Germany and France will only do what’s best for themselves.
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22/03/2021 11:38:45 132 24
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I was a remainer/rejoiner. ~Was~ being the key word there. The EU simultaneously want the vaccines but don't want to use them. They're a disgrace.
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22/03/2021 12:13:25 40 10
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They're going to use them to curry favour with other nations in the EU to stop anyone else jumping ship
22/03/2021 13:40:11 1 2
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You weren't a very commited remainer if this little spat (albeit an important one in the short term) changes your mind about this country's long term prospects. Actually I'm going to say you never were a remainer. You do know Johnson was don't you but flipped side to become 'King of the World'?
22/03/2021 14:03:20 0 0
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UK is out and there is no way back. UFL possess as a vaccine "saviour" for EU and unfortunately her message is as cheap and hollow and unfear as were and are many massages which politicians do to boost the selfishness in their subjects - the patent for this doesn't belong exclusively to EU.
22/03/2021 16:02:35 0 0
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Are they not allowed to have their own safety rules then. Rubbish argument.
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22/03/2021 11:35:10 2 20
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Boris will crumble yet again giving away the UK Vaccine supply to the EU
72
22/03/2021 11:38:45 0 13
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With a bonus pilchard with each dose
73
22/03/2021 11:38:49 3 2
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For a change it is foreign politicians that we are seeing in their incompetent, posturing, self-serving reality.
There is a reason why these people do the jobs that they do.
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22/03/2021 11:38:53 5 7
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What he should say to them all is. We are now a sovereign nation and as such placed our order weeks before the EU and we now have a contract in which we and our supplier will apply and adhere to all clauses. any iteruption by any outside power will be met by a legal response!
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22/03/2021 11:45:39 0 1
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Yes Ken. We can always stop exporting vaccines to the EU
75
22/03/2021 11:38:53 10 8
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Lots and lots of sour grapes because we have set up a world beating vacination roll out, that the EU could only dream of right now!
Macrons face says it all really!
Build another plant to make the vacine here Boris we dont need the EU and thier bitterness!
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22/03/2021 11:41:00 1 2
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It was reported recently that there is another plant, brand new and ready to go but, not being used...
76
22/03/2021 11:38:54 3 2
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Isn't the Astra Zeneca vaccine being manufactured in Wrexham?
120
22/03/2021 11:41:02 0 2
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Nowhere near as much as they pretend it is!
183
22/03/2021 11:43:03 0 1
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Probably one of several locations including India and in the EU. However we also require the other vaccines from Belgium to give people their second dose.
263
22/03/2021 11:47:01 0 1
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Only part of it
77
22/03/2021 11:38:56 7 6
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I understand Astra-Zeneca are not supplying these vaccines on a not for profit basis. How many countries are paying how many different prices to get theirs? EG Israel paid 4 times more than the EU did. So how can anyone claim that it is non profit making it totally beyond me!
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22/03/2021 11:45:55 1 1
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I thought that Israel used the Pfizer jab?
514
22/03/2021 11:56:45 1 1
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Israel only used the Pfizer jab, but let's not let facts get in the way of your argument...
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22/03/2021 12:04:27 0 1
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Possibly what they "paid" included shipping costs. Giving the vaccine away at cost is one thing but I can't see the UK paying for the transport as well, can you? In any case, you don't really know what was paid, only what the "media" tell you and I wouldn't believe them if they said it gets dark at night.
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22/03/2021 11:36:02 8 3
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and starting a trade or vaccine war will help them will it ?
78
22/03/2021 11:38:57 4 3
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We didn't start it, it voz ze germans (probably)
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22/03/2021 11:39:05 3 8
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So our PM who thought nothing of breaking international law just weeks after signing up to it and today will break an election manifesto pledge regarding our armed forces is going to lecture European leaders about contractual obligations.
Does anyone outside of little Britain take anything he says seriously any more ?
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22/03/2021 11:41:43 3 1
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He did not break any laws whenever intended to,just bbc negotiating tactic.
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22/03/2021 11:39:07 43 11
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I voted to remain in the referendum, but am now glad that we have left the EU. I had my doubts about it but on balance decided that we were better inside the club trying to effect change, than outside looking in. I was wrong, this shower of petty tyrants and unelected bureaucrats have demonstrated by their behaviour that we were right to leave.
22/03/2021 13:46:26 0 1
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It's easy to know what you DON'T like (ask any 5 year old) - knowing what to do instead is a whole different game!
22/03/2021 14:10:57 1 0
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Funny I never voted for any civil service bureaucrats, gov advisors or for any particular person to be a government minister lining friends and cronies pockets
81
22/03/2021 11:39:08 4 7
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A government minister has said the EU should honour it's commitments???

I'm sure the irony won't be lost after the government's disregard for agreements made over Northern Ireland
188
22/03/2021 11:40:26 1 1
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The bitter anti british remainers
54
22/03/2021 11:37:35 7 15
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The eu are right to hold the vaccine back, it shows they care for their own population
82
22/03/2021 11:39:15 6 1
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With 7million unused doses wasting away in EU medical fridges last week? Aye rite.
179
22/03/2021 11:42:55 0 1
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That's not the fault of the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:34:01 17 31
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I wish Boris would just keep his gob shut. His getting involved makes an export ban almost a certainty.
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22/03/2021 11:39:15 0 14
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Theresa May, though
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22/03/2021 11:39:16 20 3
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Vaccine nationalism?

Now I wonder what would be said if things were the other way around?

I think it's pretty disgusting for governments to stop a company from selling their products where they are contracted for. If it's arms to Iran then fair enough but to stop a drug company exporting their goods should not be on.

The EU will get their deliveries, but companies have commitments and contracts
556
22/03/2021 11:57:50 5 3
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AZ has fulfilled only 30% of their contractual commitment to the EU.
585
22/03/2021 11:59:06 4 2
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Our contract with AZ is locked tight with fixed delivery amounts and dates...EU contract is on a best endeavours basis as they were 3 months late to the party as usual after the standard EU navel gazing....
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22/03/2021 11:39:17 4 3
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If they blockade the vaccines we could always just restrict travel to the EU.

Greece and Spain economies are dependent on th9e UK tourist for survival.

If we have not vaccinated enough people it would be deadly to allow entry from The EU.
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22/03/2021 11:34:51 12 35
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So this is taking back control after Brexit, grovelling to the EU leaders. Brexiteers are muggs and deserve all they get.
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22/03/2021 11:39:21 4 3
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Not grovelling....warning about repercussions....
10
22/03/2021 11:34:24 16 31
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Yeah hi, it's the guy who has insulted you over and over, and who really hates your club. I need a favour.
87
22/03/2021 11:39:22 1 2
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Such as vaccine at cost price and upholding the rule of law...
88
22/03/2021 11:39:24 258 22
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This whole saga is not portraying the EU in a very good light.
329
22/03/2021 11:50:05 190 52
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Very little indeed ever portrayed the EU in a good light. The whole set-up was all about letting Germany and France be top dogs and stuff everyone else.
774
22/03/2021 12:05:34 10 3
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They never were in good light.
22/03/2021 13:09:58 1 2
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And how have we portrayed ourselves in breaking International Agreements ?? The Tories are not to be trusted and the EU is using all the laws available to them (under the agreement that the UK signed without any Parliamentary Scrutiny) ....
22/03/2021 13:52:22 0 0
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Us either.

One of the benefits of brexit.
Now if we were still in the EU, no border problems at all.
22/03/2021 15:49:35 0 1
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Wow, whose banning vaccine exports. Fact EU 40 million, from EU 10 million to UK. None from UK anywhere. Your deliberate fact avoidance unbelievable. Still brexit going well isn't it.
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22/03/2021 11:36:21 19 25
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Over 36% of the vaccines administered in the UK have been sourced from the EU. Conversely, the UK has not exported a single dose.

The anti-EU brigade may want to reflect on where their vaccine has come from and be more grateful.
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22/03/2021 11:39:28 10 1
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The EU didn't make the vaccines. Private companies made them. It's very simple. Our government entered into contracts with private companies to purchase goods. Many months before EU bureaucrats managed to do the same. If you order a coffee at Starbucks, do you expect to get yours before or after the person 6 places behind you in the queue?
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22/03/2021 11:39:34 38 11
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For God's sake no one tell Ursula that we jabbed nearly a million yesterday. She'll throw the dummy Big Time !
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22/03/2021 11:35:50 184 54
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EU can’t accept that UK did better being an independent country than not being tied to their bureaucracy. If they try to impose export ban, the world won’t forgive them.
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22/03/2021 11:39:37 55 113
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'The world' or sections of the UK?
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22/03/2021 11:45:44 22 2
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The world. The EU blocked an export to Australia, who they are trying to do a trade deal with.

Sure they will not forget this
353
22/03/2021 11:51:06 3 2
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I suspect the export ban will end end up a one-nation ban anyway, guess which one.
432
22/03/2021 11:48:39 10 2
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The world because the UK is distributing vaccines worldwide so the EU ruining their supply chain is costing lives worldwide.
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22/03/2021 12:10:02 13 3
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I think there will be very, very few people in the UK (Remainers or Brexiteers) or ROW who will support the EU in this matter. The EU failed to act strongly to persuade individual members that the AZ is as safe/effective as any other vaccine. So they have stocks of the vaccine that are being refused by a significant percentage of EU citizens. Yet they still seek an export ban. Why?
22/03/2021 12:18:33 11 1
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The world.

This vaccine's R&D was funded by the British Taxpayer and licensed for manufacture and distribution across the globe at zero profit zero cost for the benefit of humanity.

The European Union in blocking these humanitarian endeavors are an affront to humanity and needs to be dismantled.
22/03/2021 12:51:35 1 0
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Let's ask Australia!
22/03/2021 12:55:19 3 0
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Actually the world and sections of the UK.
Sounds like you *would* forgive them...so you're ok that despite legally contracting for supplies, and despite nations in the EU questioning safety of AZ and pausing their rollout, you are fine for them to now thwart our rollout plans, literally leading to more serious illness and death of UK citizens.
I voted remain - but I am not with you at all.
22/03/2021 13:36:07 0 0
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52% and falling (currently 25% in polls).
22/03/2021 13:32:45 0 0
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RivalFan is just another person who needed the EU to hold their insecure little hand.
22/03/2021 13:53:11 0 0
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Both.
22/03/2021 14:04:31 0 0
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The real issue is getting everyone (everywhere) fully vaccinated (two jabs). At the moment France has a higher percentage of fully vaccinated people than the UK. French strategy is to fully vaccinate within three weeks as per manufacturers reccomendations. Different strategy to UK,
Travel restriction imposed by other countries will almost certainly require people to be fully vaccinated for entry.
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22/03/2021 11:39:40 2 6
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If there was any doubt remaining that we made the right decision by leaving the EU, this has now gone. They are looking to punish the UK by any and all means possible. They have ignored the good will aspect of the agreement and all i can see is bitter, snarling point scoring from the EU commission towards the UK, an independant nation state
937
22/03/2021 12:12:10 0 2
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Self inflicted by leave voters surely.
Did they not anticipate the EU would put their interests first.

Knew what they voted for!!!
93
22/03/2021 11:39:45 5 7
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Beginning of the end of the EU.
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22/03/2021 11:39:50 3 2
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It is in all of our interest to work together to fight the disease.

If both sides cannot see that then I despair and so will families across the UK and Europe.
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22/03/2021 11:39:53 3 4
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Most here portray the EU as a vicious force erecting barriers between people. How can you say this? The EU is considered a peace project. In communist days the Iron Curtain divided East from West. Normal Central Europeans could not travel abroad or buy Western goods. Letters scanned, telephones tapped (no internet then). Propaganda, censorship. Militarisation. Never again please.
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22/03/2021 11:42:56 0 1
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The EU had nothing to do with any peace project or the deah od communism in the east
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22/03/2021 11:52:08 0 1
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The EEC was a peace project. The EU is a far cry from the EEC and has changed its focus and priorities, hence it currently unpopularity amongst many of its residents
The EU are showing their true colours in holding back vaccines. They were late to the party so now wish to spoil it for everyone else.

Shame on them.
Removed
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22/03/2021 11:39:53 41 5
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It has really bad optics, whatever the fine detailed reasons might be. The EU needs to step back from the brink on this and reflect on its own mistakes, not punish others for them.
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22/03/2021 11:43:43 33 9
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Perhaps that is their strategy, slow our vaccine supply to make it look as though they are catching up? Wouldn't surprise me at all.
97
22/03/2021 11:39:53 5 4
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Wow, that'll sort out the EU, no doubt they will be quaking in their boots waiting for the phone call from Brexit Boris!
168
22/03/2021 11:42:38 2 1
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Will they take the call or stand there shaking their heads making "hang up" signs to their secretaries?
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22/03/2021 11:39:57 1 2
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I checked the UK government website on restricted exports of medications. You will find its illegal to export some anti inflammatories, insulin and many other medications ... but no mention of not being able to export AZ or any other Covid related vaccines.
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22/03/2021 11:42:40 2 1
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Great! So how many have we exported? Ooh. Awkward.

And did you not see the contract with AZ? As the EC has said, there are a number of ways of blocking exports ??
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22/03/2021 11:39:58 3 2
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The EU haven't done themselves any favours over this.
If you were ANY company and a single customer went out of their way to rubbish your products, I doubt that customer would be at the top of the list for special help & consideration.
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22/03/2021 11:34:33 9 23
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/17/europe/uk-astrazeneca-vaccine-contract-details-intl/index.html

If dates of signatures determine first come first serve ... the EU signed their agreement with Astrazenica 1 day before the UK ....

... so noi leg to stand on Johnson I'm afraid.

“But the UK's official contract is actually dated August 28, one day after the EU's contract.”

Sorry.
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22/03/2021 11:39:58 7 2
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Except our contract includes 3-4 months of prework and funding to secure the supply chain. Where are the EU's was all about price and quantity.