Where are stalled England going wrong?
22/03/2021 | sport | rugbyunion | 1,790
Slow starts. Record points conceded. A sky-high penalty count. How England's Six Nations campaign fell short on multiple fronts.
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22/03/2021 06:27:29 73 8
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1. Sack Eddie Jones
2. Get Shaun Edwards as defense coach
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22/03/2021 06:38:16 16 7
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Prem clubs have too much power for coaches like Edwards who will want more control of availability of players
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22/03/2021 09:34:27 6 1
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Wouldn't we just love that. He does far more than defence too. I was told he wasn't interested as lets face it he doesn't match the RFUs idea of an ideal manager. That for the only man to be International at League and Union, won European as manager, coached Lions, Wales and now France. Politics I guess. But he needs to be found a place. Just too good to be ignored.
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22/03/2021 10:04:11 5 1
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Why would Edwards want to move from such an exciting squad.
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kai
22/03/2021 11:03:15 2 2
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Fella,look into why Edward's wont except any call from England.you might find out a thing or two
22/03/2021 17:26:08 2 1
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You mean "defence...", right?
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22/03/2021 06:29:26 5 9
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What’s all the fuss about Eddies doing a wonderful job they’ve just won the triple clown what more do you want?
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22/03/2021 06:32:22 11 3
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A fish rots from the head down.
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22/03/2021 06:34:23 4 3
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Sadly Eddie Jones talks the talk but does not walk the walk , needs to be told to walk away.
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22/03/2021 06:50:59 3 4
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apart fm reaching RWC final & winning 3/5 6 Nations doh
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22/03/2021 06:34:34 25 5
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Problems

Core of team not played for month:

1 Not match fit (pace behind the opposition)
2 not played new law interpretations (high penalty count)
3 Game plan designed for old law interpretations (outplayed at ruck/high penalty count)

Remedy: select alternative squad
1 inexperienced
2 Unfamiliar rest of squad
3 Not fit enough for international game

QED: wait for next year it will be better
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22/03/2021 07:47:56 4 8
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A sensible comment at last. Missed opportunity but plenty of time to get it right.
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22/03/2021 08:26:37 3 1
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In order to provide wider experience you have to select different players occasionally, as an incremental process. EJ’s selection policy has been absurd - how did he select Heinz in front of Spencer? EJ has no crystal ball to identify which players will be successful at international level - he needs to drop established players if they are not performing to give in form players a chance.
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22/03/2021 09:48:57 3 1
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Absolutely! Similar scenario to Pivac with Wales. People calling for Jamie Roberts to come in but he stuck to his guns and tried another approach which has seemed to work.

He maintained a core of experienced players but has blooded a lot of youngsters. He hasn't been afraid to give them minutes on the park. Possibly time for EJ to do similar and pick players like Simmonds on form.
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22/03/2021 06:37:09 231 8
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When the wrecking ball approach with tuilagi and the vunipolas doesn’t work, there is no plan B.
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22/03/2021 08:04:34 155 2
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And neither vunipola is currently international fit, either physically or mentally
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22/03/2021 09:24:05 10 1
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Sums up why we aren't seeing the other number 8's mentioned in the article, Jones seems to just pick that position by the number on the scales rather than form, skill, intelligence... He's set them up to play crash ball so much that he can't afford to pick an 8 with 10-20KGs less mass.
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22/03/2021 09:31:26 12 6
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The Vunipola's wouldn't get into any other home nation team.
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22/03/2021 09:34:28 3 13
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funny how the only solution to the englad game is a group of Samoans..so sad
22/03/2021 13:23:46 3 2
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Star man Itoje, beaten in every stat by Alun Wyn Jones (35)
Billy Vunipola, star man at 8 beaten in almost all stats by Falatau.
Jonny May, star winger, left for dead by Rees-Zammit
Tom Curry playing against the incredible Welsh back-row almost single-handed.
No settled FB, no competition, no being dropped for indiscipline because Jones has not built strength in depth. Best team in England though.
22/03/2021 14:57:04 1 0
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The Vunipolas are past their sell by date now after this championship, surely. Mako was hopeless on Saturday and both have been poor throughout the tournament. Surely England have some fresh options?
22/03/2021 16:24:27 0 0
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Really excellent point
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22/03/2021 06:37:22 6 4
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Fellared stick to whales nobody wants to read your total wind up posts.Sack eddie get baxter in and lets use the talent in the prem simples
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22/03/2021 08:56:53 0 1
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Baxter + Edwards
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22/03/2021 06:37:37 26 1
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Pick the in form players that are playing regularly at an appropriate level. Professional rugby does not allow for favourites and friendships, there is a duty to the nation that you represent.
22/03/2021 20:41:35 1 0
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100pc right!
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22/03/2021 06:27:29 73 8
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1. Sack Eddie Jones
2. Get Shaun Edwards as defense coach
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22/03/2021 06:38:16 16 7
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Prem clubs have too much power for coaches like Edwards who will want more control of availability of players
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22/03/2021 07:55:13 7 1
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You think the French clubs have less power?? France couldn’t even agree to the release their players for the Autumn Nations Cup.
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22/03/2021 08:09:31 7 11
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Sean Edwards will never coach england in any capacity, he's a working class lad with working class roots, this is why he fitted in so well in Wales, just like being amongst Wigan people, it's also why he fit's in so well in France and conversely why he won't fit in with the england set up, to many public school boys involved off the field and rooted firmly with upper class values.
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22/03/2021 08:16:56 3 1
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You do realise your talking about France their league is everything,all powerful and the richest Example November England v France
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22/03/2021 08:26:21 1 1
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No way. The French clubs have more clout and hate giving up players to Francd but Edward's makes it work.
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22/03/2021 11:27:51 0 1
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as a scot would prefer ROB Baxter will he leave exeter no
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22/03/2021 06:38:22 27 1
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He really can’t. There is plan A or plan A. His loyalty to certain players is undeserved when they should have been dropped a long time ago. The ill discipline is a major fault and result in losses. His plan is anti rugby, kick high, hit hard. It’s clear he doesn’t watch the Premiership as matchesare played with free flowing rugby. Those players don’t have a chance
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22/03/2021 06:39:51 14 1
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not picking form players in premiership and sticking with old guard?
Especially the sarries players who had 2-3 month off before start of tournament, you can’t afford to ‘gain’ match sharpness during comp as found out against Scotland first game.
22/03/2021 19:34:30 1 0
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It's been mentioned many times before on these pages that Sean Maitland has had a great tournament. The stale Sarries argument doesn't add up.
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22/03/2021 06:40:15 4 3
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Eddie Jones talks as though he doesn’t care. He used the 6 nations as an attempt to play his saracens into form. If he gets sacked, don’t be surprised if a certain club employs him. If he were the coach of Wales, he wouldn’t have been allowed by his paymasters or the people to select the squad that he chose.
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22/03/2021 06:49:23 1 8
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He does not care about 6 nations, why should he care about games against Italy/Scotland? they are miles away when RWC starts. Keep on keeping on EJ
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22/03/2021 06:56:40 0 2
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"If he were the coach of Wales, he wouldn’t have been allowed by his paymasters or the people to select the squad that he chose." - Correct, because they were all English.
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22/03/2021 06:40:28 12 3
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It seems to me that win lose or draw the next games that on field personel need to change, the likes of Ewels, Genge, Randal, Spencer, Simmonds, Lawrence, Odogwu, Smith and Malins all need to play matches as starters as we need to give them experience and see if they are really not as good as the current starters, plus it would seem that Ed Robinson isn't making it in the coaching of 15s sadly
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22/03/2021 06:50:00 17 1
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Genge, Lawrence and Ewels look like good club players, not international standard. Spencer and Randal can’t both start unless one plays out of position (I’d start spencer and add spark with Randall off the bench). Simmonds, smith and malins should be players you build around.
Also agree about Ed Robinson, out of his depth.
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22/03/2021 06:41:46 6 7
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It’s the players or the coach or a bit of both. I suggest the coach. England are NOT “in transition”. Most were at RWC 2019 and will be available for the next one. They have not become bad: they are not playing well because the coach is ruining them. Time to go, EJ. I certainly won’t miss your nastiness and bullying of female interviewers.
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22/03/2021 06:42:42 129 8
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To claim on Saturday that he was proud of the “fight” of his players and then to admit that they “fell off” shows a contempt for reality that would get him a job in Downing Street
Your right he was probably stupid enough to vote for brexit Removed
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22/03/2021 06:44:47 103 7
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What about starting with the out-of-form, out-of-match-fitness Sarries? Surely Eddie's loyalty to Itoje, Farrell, George et al has cost them big this tournament.

Farrell is deeply out of sorts and Itoje clumsy at best with the discipline. Both great players - in form - but Eddie is imbuing the same sense of entitlement that seemingly ruled out Cipriani.

A missed opportunity to blood the future.
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22/03/2021 07:02:38 24 37
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Maitland has been very good for scotland. Your theses doesn't hold water.
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22/03/2021 07:38:08 15 4
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Most of the Series players, I would agree, although if still say that Itoje has more than justified his selection. He's been unlucky on a couple of calls.
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22/03/2021 07:39:35 3 2
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Could not agree more
22/03/2021 15:10:23 0 0
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Being an Englishman of Welsh descent, I'd not need an anthem in order to get me ready to play for the rose, far from it. To 'prepare' all you'd need to do is witness the disdain and listen to the vitriol directed towards the English. Anyone who can't put their backs into playing isn't worth the shirt.
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22/03/2021 15:50:17 0 0
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I think that's an easy stick to beat Jones with (even if it's the right one)
Too many non-Sarries players looked either out of form or off the pace.
Youngs, Wilson, Genge, Hill all looked off the pace. Too many players had poor 6 Nations to lay the blame so conveniently at Saracens door.
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22/03/2021 06:45:01 146 5
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It boils down to money, the RFU I doubt can afford to thank him and show him the door. Big mistake, hopefully learned, to extend his contract. This England team reminds me of the French side that lost it's identity a few seasons ago and that isn't down to the players. Our 8,9,10,12 and 15 are simply not the best players in those positions in England!
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22/03/2021 08:00:29 101 34
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I agree with you about 8, 9, 12 and 15. However, take a proper look at how George Ford manages the game when he's playing. You'll see hes the play maker and the start of most tries. I agree he has had a couple of bad games but he's arguably one of the best players in the world at 10, he just gets a lot of stick for his size.

We also need to get rid of the box kicking agenda.
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22/03/2021 08:07:57 3 1
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Apparently, there is a break clause in his contract and it can be ended.
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22/03/2021 09:15:05 4 2
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are you joking? richest bloody union in the game.
22/03/2021 20:13:29 1 0
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Escape clauses apparently on both sides for EJ's contract. If there is no financial penalty for letting Jones go, then he should go. No question in my mind. Squad is too stale. Same players going through the motions, still getting picked, standard drops and we wonder why we lose to Scotland and are a long way second best to Wales and Ireland?
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22/03/2021 21:04:37 0 0
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Agree the issues are in the spine of the team.

To give 10 the benefit of the doubt, there's not much he can do if 9's under instruction to kick the ball away at every opportunity, and the other 3 aren't fit. Not to mention the fact 12 and 15 are a 10 and 13 by trade.
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22/03/2021 06:45:11 186 4
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The players are too complacent knowing their place is more or less secure. Bad performances do not result in team changes.
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22/03/2021 08:27:47 91 3
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Biggest mistake was trying to play a tournament with 28 players and allowing no room for loss of form and recruiting and trying out new players no forward planning,he backed himself into a corner.As for playing unfit championship players ridiculous,Sarries players are normally super fit but they’ve not been playing.
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22/03/2021 08:31:58 7 2
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The backing by players who’s chances of a Lions tour have all but disappeared is a classic case of Stockholm Syndrome. Sorry to have have to tell them but the Emperor’s got no clothes.
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22/03/2021 08:44:52 15 1
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You are spot on Ireland was a dead rubber, yet when malins was injured did he let a youngster get some pitch time, no he brought back Daly who has missed more tackles this 6N' than the Italians. No EJ your too stubborn . The players are there but EJ will not adapt and adjust, so please walk away EJ you have made your money and exceeded your own fixed sell by date.
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22/03/2021 06:46:24 85 1
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Look at the passion of the other 6N teams, and England were stale or simply not bothered. The team and staff need a shake up & deadwood pruned.
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22/03/2021 07:36:54 59 31
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It’s a fundamental issue to do with identity per-se and what England stands for. Why does England use God Save the Queen - the UK anthem - as its anthem? What is the English one? Disjointed identity
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22/03/2021 08:25:27 7 1
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I don't think that's passion, I think they are overcoached - they have to do this here, that there, kick when it's this. The only time they seemed to be playing the game themselves rather than being remotely controlled by Jones was France. No wonder they seem to hate being out there.
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22/03/2021 09:49:40 3 1
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Couldn't agree more- the body language as they came out in Dublin BEFORE the anthems didn't really suggest they'd had a stirring team talk!
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ljs
22/03/2021 10:06:45 3 1
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FAR TOO MANY carthorses.
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22/03/2021 06:46:24 0 9
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England are not bothered about small tournaments. Its all about RWC 23. I dont care if Ireland beat us atmo, we will as usual, go a lot further at RWC. Keep going Eddie
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22/03/2021 06:46:55 19 1
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An abysmal comp for England and as soon as the squad was announced my expectations hit rock bottom . This was an opportunity missed to introduce and play new talent - instead Jones stuck with the usual and played a group of guys who had not played any rugby since the late autumn . Fit and fresh but miles of the match pace re international rugby . Will win nothing with blinkered Jones.
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22/03/2021 06:46:56 356 22
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Drop Owen Farrell, would make a real statement of intent.
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Hal
22/03/2021 07:51:13 269 3
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Agreed. I love this quote from Bobby Moore: after an England match, "See you next week, boss". Alf Ramsey, "If you're picked lad, if you're picked."
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22/03/2021 08:07:02 13 8
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For me this is your biggest problem and I don’t see the obvious answer. When your forwards are running well then Ford is the option, but he folds badly under pressure. Farrell is the more consistent.

By keeping Farrell to cover Ford’s weaknesses you lose both a running threat and any creation at 12.

Perhaps should be playing one as starter and one as finisher depending on the game?
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22/03/2021 08:10:00 37 3
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Well, that's right too, but the main reason we need to drop him is he can't do the captain's job onfield well enough. His boot is still reliable but every other aspect of his play is average at best.
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22/03/2021 08:15:39 19 3
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I agree. He never looks like he's enjoying himself. As a leader you need others to want to play and not be scared. And that is how England look, scared.
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22/03/2021 08:32:29 18 3
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Farrell seems to have lost his ability to drive and motivate England when they are on the back foot. He was almost invisible on Saturday afternoon. Not sure if that's related to playing behind closed doors or instructions from the management team but something's not there. As for discipline the stats speak for themselves.
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22/03/2021 09:07:32 5 3
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Full of his own importance Andy !!
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22/03/2021 09:30:34 5 31
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Dropping Farrell? It makes a statement of intent, but the wrong one. Dropping a highly talented captain after taking the team to the WC finals grabs a headline and misunderstands the problem. They need to rebuild team morale and belief, as ill-discipline slow starts and dysfunctionality are symptoms of this. They need to rebuild hope and a future vision to overcome this tough covid era in rugby.
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22/03/2021 09:44:42 8 4
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and Bring his dad in !!!
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22/03/2021 11:05:19 2 6
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Thought we looked rudderless when he went off on Sat.
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22/03/2021 11:09:36 2 13
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Why? How would dropping your best player improve the team?
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22/03/2021 11:11:28 1 2
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Maybe Andy, but the tactics aren't his fault.
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22/03/2021 11:56:52 3 1
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England are not firing with both Farrell and Ford. Jones can't drop Farrell although Ford is the better conduit for attacking rugby. The tactics are formulaic. Box kicks should be outlawed. They are boring me to tears. The players are tired.. and i don't mean physically. Must be so frustrating for players such as fly halves Smith and Cipriani to know they will never play for England under Jones.
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22/03/2021 11:56:57 6 2
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True,farrell is not capable of playing anything expansive.i really dont know how he gets in the side.im so pleased in Wales,Scotland and Ireland have got playmakers who can call it as they see it.all of them must be ahead of him for Lions as well as Sheedy.jones is a dinosaur who has outstayed his welcome and doesnt like imaginative players so has got no future.
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22/03/2021 12:03:24 2 0
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EJ's thinking is breaking they gain line at test level is incredibly difficult with really well drilled defences.

So the plan - dominant pack, kick for position, work set pieces and flyers in the back 3 to capitalise on poor kicking from the oppo.

Hence the BY/GF/OF axis with Slades left boot as an added option.

Problem however is if the pack is 2nd best, and you keep giving away penalties.
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22/03/2021 12:42:33 0 2
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Because he's a northerner?
22/03/2021 14:33:16 3 1
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100 % correct
He no more than a place kicker ..
Slow not creative and a liability has been for a couple of years now
22/03/2021 14:33:32 2 0
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Yes. England's issues are at 9, 10, 12, & 15. Leadership too. Ben Youngs is not your 9 going forward, Ford & Farrell are abysmal, and Daly is not a class 15. The captain needs to be in the pack. I can't see where Jones is trying to take the team either.
22/03/2021 14:43:19 1 1
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Farrell is a problem no doubt about it. He looks good when behind a dominant pack but his game offers no threat when the forwards aren't performing.
22/03/2021 15:02:15 1 0
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Good bye Eddie Jones.
22/03/2021 15:08:22 1 1
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Farrell. Ford and Youngs, please. Slade can play 12 or `13 and let's see if Lawrence is any good. Bill V is fat and slow, Mako unfit maybe too? Ewers looked good
22/03/2021 15:21:15 0 0
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Well Eddie could certainly try Cipriani and Smith at 10 and look at different combinations across 15 and the wings. Daly is valuable but possibly not at 15. Pack is losing out to other teams which is where the indiscipline is creeping in. Vunipola brothers should be given a break. Youngs although top class is possibly too slow now - needs to have a super fast replacement to complement him.
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22/03/2021 15:39:51 0 4
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It would. Not a very bright one though.
22/03/2021 16:19:13 0 1
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I don't Farrell should be dropped but we do need a captain that the referees respect.
I don't know who would be best suited?
I don't see much prem action but is there not better young players to replace the likes of youngs, daly, etc.
My rugby knowledge isn't great but can someone tell me if Ford is actually any good? His kicking seems aimless and he just seems a weak link to me.
We miss underhill
22/03/2021 17:54:35 2 0
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Eddie would never drop him and that's the problem. Take away his kicking Farrell offers nothing
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22/03/2021 06:41:46 6 7
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It’s the players or the coach or a bit of both. I suggest the coach. England are NOT “in transition”. Most were at RWC 2019 and will be available for the next one. They have not become bad: they are not playing well because the coach is ruining them. Time to go, EJ. I certainly won’t miss your nastiness and bullying of female interviewers.
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22/03/2021 06:48:25 115 3
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Enjoyed the journey Eddie but its time to get your coat lad!
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22/03/2021 10:28:10 9 14
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OK. Replace him with which coach? Who would want the job with the Eng media so critical constantly. We had a terrible season 2018 and regrouped. Can we do it again?
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22/03/2021 13:15:06 2 2
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What did you enjoy? Turgid predictable rugby and winning nothing??? With the biggest resources in world rugby?
Worst coach since woodward.
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22/03/2021 06:48:31 34 2
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It is jobs for the boys, same squad and team regardless of form, and regardless of whether they have had any game time.

It needs freshening up.

Jones is not up for the role, his attitude stinks more intent of disrespecting the opposition or pressurising the referee before the matches.
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22/03/2021 06:40:15 4 3
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Eddie Jones talks as though he doesn’t care. He used the 6 nations as an attempt to play his saracens into form. If he gets sacked, don’t be surprised if a certain club employs him. If he were the coach of Wales, he wouldn’t have been allowed by his paymasters or the people to select the squad that he chose.
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22/03/2021 06:49:23 1 8
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He does not care about 6 nations, why should he care about games against Italy/Scotland? they are miles away when RWC starts. Keep on keeping on EJ
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22/03/2021 06:49:59 14 13
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England have been on wrong end of some clearly biased refereeing which has not helped ie the French referee gifting Wales 14 POINTS
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22/03/2021 06:54:21 7 8
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Haha more deluded nonsense this is music to the ears of the Celtic countries all 3 of whom gubbed you this year by a combined total of 83-48
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22/03/2021 07:04:19 2 2
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Refereeing absolutely nothing to do with abysmal England performance during competition.
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22/03/2021 07:07:21 0 5
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Laughable whinging comment. Take away the 14 points 'gifted to Wales, add on the 3pts for the penalty kick then remove England's Watson's forward pass try and the final score would have been 29 -17 to Wales! BTW Have you seen the video of Farrell's cross field kick for Saracens to Ashton. What goes round comes round! Grow up mate!
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22/03/2021 06:40:28 12 3
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It seems to me that win lose or draw the next games that on field personel need to change, the likes of Ewels, Genge, Randal, Spencer, Simmonds, Lawrence, Odogwu, Smith and Malins all need to play matches as starters as we need to give them experience and see if they are really not as good as the current starters, plus it would seem that Ed Robinson isn't making it in the coaching of 15s sadly
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22/03/2021 06:50:00 17 1
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Genge, Lawrence and Ewels look like good club players, not international standard. Spencer and Randal can’t both start unless one plays out of position (I’d start spencer and add spark with Randall off the bench). Simmonds, smith and malins should be players you build around.
Also agree about Ed Robinson, out of his depth.
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22/03/2021 06:50:13 7 7
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Everyone in Wales would have sacked Wayne Pivec this time last year , Sometimes we just have to be patient and accept in a 2 team contest that 1 team has to lose , This was not our year, Disappointed but not downhearted we will return stronger next year
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22/03/2021 07:02:43 5 3
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Disillusioned and downhearted . England were awful - no excuse losing to relative average Scottish , Irish and Welsh teams.
Performance against all these teams unacceptable . 2023 will be a disaster if Jones remains .
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22/03/2021 07:26:37 0 1
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Wouldn't bank on it....Italy away ;-)
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22/03/2021 11:16:49 1 1
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Are you seriously suggesting wales deserved to, probably, win the tournament? They were gifted 2 games which they only just won and eng was a coin toss without some bizarre ref decisions...

Not saying eng deserve anything either because they are poor.
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22/03/2021 06:34:23 4 3
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Sadly Eddie Jones talks the talk but does not walk the walk , needs to be told to walk away.
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apart fm reaching RWC final & winning 3/5 6 Nations doh
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22/03/2021 07:00:16 0 1
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3 out of 6
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22/03/2021 08:29:52 1 1
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Clive Woodward won the WC and then crashed and burned afterwards. There is a lifespan to everything and Jones England career seems to be over.
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22/03/2021 08:58:18 0 1
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Should have left on a High.
Eddie has not moved on since RWC Final
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22/03/2021 06:51:32 140 5
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A number of players in the team are a mile away from their proven high standards.
Billy Vinapola
Mako Vinapola
Daley
Farrel
George
Itoji (12 penalties)
Anyone spot the theme here?
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22/03/2021 06:58:24 47 13
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Itoje 1 penalty on Saturday
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22/03/2021 07:57:01 17 11
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In fact from your list Itoje is the only one who would get a game for Scotland.

This is not a common thing, but england deserve their place, they are genuinely the fifth best side in a very evenly matched tournament.
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22/03/2021 08:04:12 20 11
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Itoji was one of the best players of the tournament. He conceded so many pens as he plays close to the edge however I think he's one of of few genuinely world class players in England
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22/03/2021 08:45:09 14 2
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The fact you can’t spell their names correctly?
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Bob
22/03/2021 08:56:54 13 2
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I've got it!

The theme here is: You can't spell.
22/03/2021 13:06:14 1 1
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is the theme spelling?
MW
22/03/2021 15:42:56 0 1
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Your inability to spell Vunipola?
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22/03/2021 06:51:38 54 2
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Pick the in form players. Just because their name was on the team sheet last time, doesn’t mean they get on this time. Learn to vary kicks.
In football it would be unusual for a second tier player to make the national team. It’d be even more unusual if that league were suspended and the players weren’t playing competitive games.
It’s been frustrating to watch and embarrassing to try to justify.
33
22/03/2021 06:53:47 21 1
bbc
Jones needs to go - as do some of the players - they are being picked on reputation and what they did some time since. Sam Simmonds in particular MUST be given a chance.
295
22/03/2021 08:35:51 0 13
bbc
Stick to football
471
22/03/2021 09:30:35 1 3
bbc
He has been given a chance, he was pretty ineffective then. That said he is definitely a better player now
34
22/03/2021 06:54:20 0 2
bbc
Eddie is a good coach, but needs two or three assistants around him who do not fear giving an honest opinion. Farrell is for some reason not challenged as a captain on the field by any so called senior players stepping up to shake the team into action. Give form players a chance over the summer, develop them for 2023, and the transition should be complete. Eddie can then jettison the old guard.
27
22/03/2021 06:49:59 14 13
bbc
England have been on wrong end of some clearly biased refereeing which has not helped ie the French referee gifting Wales 14 POINTS
35
22/03/2021 06:54:21 7 8
bbc
Haha more deluded nonsense this is music to the ears of the Celtic countries all 3 of whom gubbed you this year by a combined total of 83-48
58
22/03/2021 07:05:41 5 2
bbc
How you feeling after you choked in France shocking loss never mind you beat Eng by being gifted 14 points.So you should be happy see you in next rwc where you choke every time it matters.Bye bye
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Dan
22/03/2021 07:06:51 0 1
bbc
You can have your moment in the sun. We were cr@p this year. Well done!
607
22/03/2021 10:17:44 1 1
bbc
He’s back. Disappeared completely after the 2019 6N until now. Why’s that? ??
36
22/03/2021 06:55:26 9 1
bbc
Doing the same with the same gets the same results. Get a new leader in the forwards. Stop trying to over power every one. Fresh blood helps everyone. Move on.
37
22/03/2021 06:56:31 21 1
bbc
Need to knock the ego and arrogance out of all the players, easier said than done but Jones has had his chance and this 6N has been an embarrassment, not sure how he can keep his job.
309
22/03/2021 08:41:17 3 1
bbc
I want my team to play with arrogance but when you do that you have to back it up with results.
22/03/2021 16:12:20 0 0
bbc
Spot on !!!
12
22/03/2021 06:40:15 4 3
bbc
Eddie Jones talks as though he doesn’t care. He used the 6 nations as an attempt to play his saracens into form. If he gets sacked, don’t be surprised if a certain club employs him. If he were the coach of Wales, he wouldn’t have been allowed by his paymasters or the people to select the squad that he chose.
38
22/03/2021 06:56:40 0 2
bbc
"If he were the coach of Wales, he wouldn’t have been allowed by his paymasters or the people to select the squad that he chose." - Correct, because they were all English.
Idiot. Removed
39
22/03/2021 06:57:10 12 2
bbc
Get rid of Jones, he picks the team. Too many players not in form yet he still picks them? Bring in a young English coach!
66
22/03/2021 07:09:31 5 3
bbc
Bring in the best forward thinking coach in the World - I could not care less if he is English or not .
75
22/03/2021 07:14:14 0 1
bbc
Who?Best coach in the Prem is Pat Lam,Baxter won’t leave Exeter so come on tell us who you’d have?
185
Gav
22/03/2021 07:55:42 3 2
bbc
Picked a young English coach twice before in Johnson and Lancaster. I’d go for Mark McCall. Wouldn’t have to worry about salary caps... I can genuinely see Gatland though.
40
22/03/2021 06:58:00 443 10
bbc
Eddie Jones talked about resetting after the World Cup. The English Premiership has some exciting young players that are continually overlooked or mishandled when selected whilst EJ continues to pick the same starting players from the same cosy squad. England have gone backwards in so many ways it’s got to the point I enjoy watching France play more than my home country.
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Tim
22/03/2021 07:10:58 161 56
bbc
I only had time to watch one match on Saturday, so I watched the thrilling Grand Slam match rather than the drab dead rubber between England and Ireland.

Jones needs to go, but the RFU lacks the gumption and also probably the funds, so England will limp on, occasionally brilliant but more often terrible, until after the next World Cup.
432
22/03/2021 09:15:59 31 1
bbc
Well said and picking unfit out of form Saracens players denies any logic.
437
22/03/2021 09:17:51 15 2
bbc
There were some fabulous and exciting Prem games over the weekend - check them out on YouTube. Exeter and Harlequins playing brilliant, attacking, possession rugby. England’s game plan is to kick (poorly, Youngs, Ford and Farrell) and defend.

A chasm in tactics, which shows that the right players with the right tactics win games: Dombrandt and Simmons outstanding, ditto Care, Smith & Brown (!).
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JBM
22/03/2021 09:27:38 1 2
bbc
Could not agree more.
499
22/03/2021 09:36:19 21 2
bbc
Seems illogical to keep picking Saracens players when they hardly have any game time. Possibly time to say farewell to the Vunipola brothers and George. Farrell isn't a good choice at inside centre and Elliot Daly should only be considered as a winger. EJ doesn't seem to want to pick Sarries players who have moved on like Spencer.
513
22/03/2021 09:41:55 3 6
bbc
Jones like Townsend has their favourites .England are one dimentional give the ball to the one yard men .They should play Farrell at full back ,they only keep him for penalty and conversion kicks.
540
22/03/2021 09:55:01 9 1
bbc
Correct. Of the 15 to start the RWC Final, 11 started on Saturday and Underhill, Tuilagi and Lawes would have done so if they were fit. The other was George. Hardly a reset.

Younger players will, rightly, look after themselves rather than wait for the 'dead mans shoes' of the opportunity to play for England.
550
22/03/2021 09:57:35 8 1
bbc
Drop Youngs just for doing moisturiser adds.

Tell Eddie 'kick kick kick & kick again' Jones thanks for all hes done and bring in a modern run the ball coach. Bring in someone to sort the scrum out, its painful watching England fail in the scrum over and over again.
884
22/03/2021 11:52:18 9 1
bbc
He keeps on saying he has no idea why the players are not performing, therein lies the problem.
22/03/2021 13:37:00 2 0
bbc
How can he keep his job?
A failure, refusing to change style,plan ,personnel.
Let’s not forget we have biggest number of players to choose from, the wealthiest country and huge fan base. When the RFU take their heads out of their collective backside it’ll dawn on then when rugby goes ppv. they’ll rely upon that loyal fan base. Well sorry not paying for that rubbish,
22/03/2021 13:54:33 5 0
bbc
I too did exactly that. And how is it I’m more excited to watch Hamish Watson play and break the game line? I’ve no issue with the ebb and flow of an English team winning and losing when they play fabulous rugby but when the team is clearly sitting in the doldrums then a catalyst for change is perhaps needed.
22/03/2021 14:47:42 0 0
bbc
What is obvious is none of the players look like they actually what Rugby Union is about and have a basic gameplan that makes most U11 teams look sophisticated
31
22/03/2021 06:51:32 140 5
bbc
A number of players in the team are a mile away from their proven high standards.
Billy Vinapola
Mako Vinapola
Daley
Farrel
George
Itoji (12 penalties)
Anyone spot the theme here?
41
22/03/2021 06:58:24 47 13
bbc
Itoje 1 penalty on Saturday
54
22/03/2021 07:04:48 5 2
bbc
So perhaps he is improving with game time!!!
103
22/03/2021 07:27:17 10 12
bbc
Have to laugh at someone down voting this totally factual comment.
280
22/03/2021 08:29:22 1 1
bbc
...yeah, he clearly wasn't playing 100%
529
22/03/2021 09:48:06 5 3
bbc
Won one turnover, lost two; made 3 metres from 4 carries- where was he for the rest of the game?
758
22/03/2021 11:13:41 6 3
bbc
What else did he do? Overshadowed in a big way by Beirne and Henderson.
984
22/03/2021 12:47:16 2 2
bbc
I think Itoje is a marvellous player whose game is played right on the edge hence he can give away penalties. He would be one of my picks for the Lions. He consistently gives 100%.
22/03/2021 17:21:18 1 0
bbc
That's still 1 too many.
22/03/2021 17:56:33 2 0
bbc
And made 3 yards all game
22/03/2021 20:18:28 0 0
bbc
One penalty but no impact. If he isn't on the edge then he's half the player. If you're on the edge, half the time you are overstepping the mark. Fall foul of the ref and he gets it in his head you are always offside, you are in trouble unless you are smart enough to re-calibrate. Itoje not managaing to re-calibrate atm for some reason (lack of match time this season?)
22/03/2021 20:48:24 0 0
bbc
Not much use on Saturday as he knew he was being watched for his marginal tackles- some would say about time (Ritchie McCaw streetwise he is not)
42
JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
bbc
Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
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Dan
22/03/2021 07:04:55 7 1
bbc
There he is. The vitriolic, graceless, chippy little welsh fella. Up and at them early today.
63
22/03/2021 07:06:55 0 1
bbc
But we want to win something . When did Wales win the world cup?? Yakki dar Son of Glyn dower. No
67
22/03/2021 07:10:07 2 1
bbc
What like last year and where’s your grand slam still in Paris.
Nothing like a bit of state sponsored doping in junior rugby Removed
87
22/03/2021 07:20:52 4 1
bbc
The team who blew a 10 point lead against 14 men with 10 minutes to go? Mighty indeed!
43
22/03/2021 06:59:05 6 8
bbc
Time to get an English Head Coach for the English Team. I don't care what anyone says, only the English will truly look after the English no one else will, we are the most hated team in this tournament, the French refs proved that. Infact it should be changed from the 6 nations to 5 nations vs England
114
22/03/2021 07:33:16 1 3
bbc
So bitter !..... Man up and just take it on the chin, can’t always blame the referee’s. The buck stops at the England coach, as he is the one who calls the shots and picks the team
44
22/03/2021 06:59:27 4 4
bbc
It would have been 4 losses if they’d played France without Covid gate. Watched rugby tonight on BT & they somehow had Curry & Itoje in the team of the tournament. They’ve been terrible outside the France game. Curry in double digits for missed tackles & been turned over 6 times + conceded 6 pens. It’s this kind of one-eyed judgement of player performance from the coach that’s causing problems
45
22/03/2021 06:59:46 6 1
bbc
Shaun Edwards makes a difference to any team he has worked with. Do England have problems attracting good coaches.
126
22/03/2021 07:36:27 0 1
bbc
Do Wales considering their 6N position last year?
142
22/03/2021 07:39:47 0 1
bbc
England passed on Edwards a few times......
22/03/2021 15:58:13 0 0
bbc
it's a combination of several factors. Shaun Edwards has a huge influence for sure on the french defence but the coach is Galthie and I don't think you get good results with a flock of turkeys on the pitch, i'm not talking about the English players who showed they were capable of doing great things. Maybe there are missing elements in the formula now but England will have brighter days.
46
22/03/2021 07:00:07 309 4
bbc
Selection. Pick players on form, from the Premiership. It was mad to pick Saracens players who haven’t played a competitive match in months
144
22/03/2021 07:40:46 83 3
bbc
England have played 5 games and all appeared to be forgotten after the France victory, but now it's back to the same excuses.
380
22/03/2021 09:02:43 10 2
bbc
I was saying this at the start of the 6N. Their first competitive match they got spanked by Pirates. An above poster suggested dropping Farrell, I'd agree with him.
539
22/03/2021 09:52:46 4 2
bbc
And by the Autumn they still wont have played a competitive match!
No disrespect to the Championship.
664
22/03/2021 10:41:07 4 1
bbc
Unfortunately Clive Woodward who as an expert on Business Management was the only candidate prepared to take on the job going into the Professional Era, negotiated for England players to be contracted.. Many of us no doubt recall with affection amateur days when club teams were mostly English and players were picked on form and potential by selectors. Then the coach helped them to fit together
896
22/03/2021 11:56:27 5 1
bbc
EJ's hands a little tied on that front.

If the spine of your starting XV find themselves kicking their heels, that's something a national coach can not plan for.

EJ could have used the opportunity for try outs, but loses development time with those he expects to be the core of the next wc squad.

Saracens cheating - the gift that keeps on giving.
LH
22/03/2021 14:50:52 3 0
bbc
Have you seen the Sale team, or SA 2nd XV, as we say??!!
22/03/2021 17:58:52 1 0
bbc
Totally right. Playing for England should be earned in the Premiership performances not on a training ground or weights room.
I would be surprised if there wasn't a bit of friction in the squad over how Saracens have behaved over the years and this is more likely to matter when England are struggling.
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KR
22/03/2021 07:00:11 2 7
bbc
I'm sure Eddie Jones would have learned plenty from this season's 6 Nations. He'll get it right for the World Cup given the opportunity.
30
22/03/2021 06:50:59 3 4
bbc
apart fm reaching RWC final & winning 3/5 6 Nations doh
48
22/03/2021 07:00:16 0 1
bbc
3 out of 6
16
22/03/2021 06:44:47 103 7
bbc
What about starting with the out-of-form, out-of-match-fitness Sarries? Surely Eddie's loyalty to Itoje, Farrell, George et al has cost them big this tournament.

Farrell is deeply out of sorts and Itoje clumsy at best with the discipline. Both great players - in form - but Eddie is imbuing the same sense of entitlement that seemingly ruled out Cipriani.

A missed opportunity to blood the future.
49
22/03/2021 07:02:38 24 37
bbc
Maitland has been very good for scotland. Your theses doesn't hold water.
110
22/03/2021 07:28:19 24 7
bbc
There is a significant difference between having a single winger who hasn’t played much versus the spine of your side (2,4,8,10/12 and MV added later).

It amazes me you can’t see that tbh.
589
22/03/2021 10:13:53 0 1
bbc
There is always the exception that proves the rule.
596
22/03/2021 10:15:55 1 4
bbc
Maitland was poor v Italy on Saturday. Slow and laboured and subbed pretty quickly.
733
22/03/2021 11:06:10 1 1
bbc
Maitland's one man, he's talking about six England/Saracens players, approximately one third of a team.
23/03/2021 13:28:03 0 0
bbc
Perhaps it's a question of attitude or character then? Or a question of how many under-performers can be absorbed and supported to excellence at the one time?
29
22/03/2021 06:50:13 7 7
bbc
Everyone in Wales would have sacked Wayne Pivec this time last year , Sometimes we just have to be patient and accept in a 2 team contest that 1 team has to lose , This was not our year, Disappointed but not downhearted we will return stronger next year
50
22/03/2021 07:02:43 5 3
bbc
Disillusioned and downhearted . England were awful - no excuse losing to relative average Scottish , Irish and Welsh teams.
Performance against all these teams unacceptable . 2023 will be a disaster if Jones remains .
157
22/03/2021 07:44:40 0 3
bbc
England are relatively average themselves don’t you think ? So please don’t think that England are or should be any better .
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Gav
22/03/2021 07:58:36 0 2
bbc
2023 won’t be a disaster. Jones will turn it round for the RWC, I’m sure. But why we have to wait 4 years to be good again is the problem for me.
362
22/03/2021 08:55:33 0 1
bbc
A triple crown !
51
22/03/2021 07:02:44 2 6
bbc
Jones will be up the road soon and all he’ll leave behind is a vacuum and bad smell. Good riddance Eddie.
124
22/03/2021 07:35:41 3 1
bbc
How very unnecessarily rude and pointless a comment
52
22/03/2021 07:02:49 39 9
bbc
Like France, England is a large rugby playing nation with a significant number of very rich professional clubs, an incredible pyramid of junior clubs and a huge player base to pick from. These two countries should win the 6 nations every year. Look at Wales by contrast - small population, 4 financially poor professional teams and a small player base. Yet they punch above their weight most years.
71
22/03/2021 07:11:50 58 5
bbc
Wales have a similar population to NZ.

Compare the WCs in both trophy rooms
88
22/03/2021 07:21:00 6 5
bbc
The best welsh players still come from the English Premiership. Rees-Zammit and Calum Sheedy are the latest of the production line.
121
22/03/2021 07:35:00 10 2
bbc
Suggest you look at how many foreign born players are in each squad at this years 6N before you drag up the old “look how good we are with such a small population “ cliche. It’s very easy to do but you doubtless won’t like the truth it shows - especially the high number of English players you have. This is 2021 the teams go by the titles of each country but it’s a professional game these days .
282
22/03/2021 08:29:52 0 1
bbc
France has gone through a number of strange experiments over the last decade or more, moving away from flair and talent to the biggest players they can find. Only recently are they mo ing back to talent, speed of thought and intelligence. Jones doesn't care about those, he just wants players who "win" training, who do as he commands and who never question him.
826
22/03/2021 11:34:34 0 1
bbc
As do New Zealand, population less than London!
22/03/2021 15:54:04 0 0
bbc
Because the lads are Proud to pull the jersey on and the Coach doesn't throw out gems like he's " World Class " first of all they've got to prove it
27
22/03/2021 06:49:59 14 13
bbc
England have been on wrong end of some clearly biased refereeing which has not helped ie the French referee gifting Wales 14 POINTS
53
22/03/2021 07:04:19 2 2
bbc
Refereeing absolutely nothing to do with abysmal England performance during competition.
41
22/03/2021 06:58:24 47 13
bbc
Itoje 1 penalty on Saturday
54
22/03/2021 07:04:48 5 2
bbc
So perhaps he is improving with game time!!!
42
JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
bbc
Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
55
Dan
22/03/2021 07:04:55 7 1
bbc
There he is. The vitriolic, graceless, chippy little welsh fella. Up and at them early today.
56
22/03/2021 07:05:05 2 3
bbc
England are in reverse and accelerating . No hope at World cup. Bring in the best Rugby League trainers / coaches and watch the turnaround. Back to the bad old days. where has all the money been spent??
138
22/03/2021 07:39:01 0 1
bbc
Money ironically spent / wasted on the highest paid coach in rugby history....

....and a massive stadium with no roof for use as a multi purpose venue out of season to earn extra revenue
57
22/03/2021 07:05:18 196 1
bbc
If you want to ask a neutral, the main problem is a 1 dimensional game plan. Any team can prepare for it, and neutralise the threats easily. Start mixing it up.
216
22/03/2021 08:08:22 9 47
bbc
Like France did?
381
22/03/2021 09:02:46 8 1
bbc
Yep, every team has a game plan, sometimes our game plan works like a dream, NZ win 2019,
Problem is what happens when game plan A ain't working?
How many times over the years have you watched an NZ side struggle in a close game only to find some magic in the last 10 mins to win?
As individuals and a team, no one can adapt on the fly, change tac mid game and work a way around the opposition.

968
22/03/2021 12:39:24 2 0
bbc
I agree although Ireland and Wales play a similar game but this year have played it way better.
22/03/2021 15:32:07 2 0
bbc
Absolutely agree - they're playing to a computer programme with fixed sub-routines that have been totally reverse engineered by all the opposing teams. The format is known inside out. No plan B or C. No instinctive play - where are the play makers, the game changers, the flexible tacticians, the on-field maverick magicians. Guess we should look to the young French team ...
AB
22/03/2021 17:01:28 1 0
bbc
England have been worked out ....SA out gunned us in the RWC final.... Ireland did the same on Saturday.... look at the power and determination of Furlong... he was so up for it.... not doubting England's efforts... but they didn't get close to the power and passion fo Furlong.... We need so many more dimensions than stick it up the jumper rugby.... and Youngs... kicking away possession !!!!
22/03/2021 21:22:00 0 0
bbc
I think the problem is the ability to play heads up rugby is either being coached out of them, or actively discouraged. All the teams at the top of the premiership right now and scoring tries galore, not because they are throwing the ball around willy-nilly, but because the players are given the freedom to use their skill (they are pros for a reason) to play the game in front of them
35
22/03/2021 06:54:21 7 8
bbc
Haha more deluded nonsense this is music to the ears of the Celtic countries all 3 of whom gubbed you this year by a combined total of 83-48
58
22/03/2021 07:05:41 5 2
bbc
How you feeling after you choked in France shocking loss never mind you beat Eng by being gifted 14 points.So you should be happy see you in next rwc where you choke every time it matters.Bye bye
59
22/03/2021 07:06:01 16 4
bbc
They need to get some spirit, some of that Celtic spirit the other nations possess, but i feel it just does not exist in English sport. They play like they have earned the right to play before they actually have, couple that with the reluctance to take a chance on young fearless talent, Why is Owen Farrell so safe at number 10, he offers nothing in attack, they have danger out wide but that's it.
78
22/03/2021 07:15:54 15 9
bbc
What a load of nationalistic bs! You do realise that many of those players played in the RWC final, the youngest team ever to reach the final?
The Wales team that played on Saturday had 1000+ caps and
apart from LRZ not particularly full of young fearless talent!
Where is all that 'celtic spirit' for RWC or for playing NZ? And where was it last year on the 6n and ANC?
95
22/03/2021 07:24:28 1 1
bbc
Farrell usually plays 12 for England. He’s had one start at 10 this year.
60
22/03/2021 07:06:27 3 6
bbc
Touch of the Celtic's, thinking they're better than they are, arrogant and complacent in believing all they need to do to win is simply show up while - and where analogy breaks down a bit - other teams have continued to improve. Same with the cricket team as demontrated with consumate ease by India. Both great to witness.
98
22/03/2021 07:24:59 0 1
bbc
Agree 100%. Although, as a Glasgow Rangers fan, I struggle to see the connection to Eddie Jones and the English rugby team
61
22/03/2021 07:06:46 28 20
bbc
I see Curry is the latest English sensation to be bigged up by the deluded English media. To compare him to McCaw is not only laughable but an insult to one of the greatest players the game has seen.
72
22/03/2021 07:12:08 13 11
bbc
Not an insult, Curry is more S Burger type where (if we are making comparisons) Underhill is more likely to be McCaw ish! given the opportunity and caps.
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:14:46 7 3
bbc
How is that an insult?

Recognising Mccaw is the benchmark and comparing a young 22 year old to him at that age? Curry has been Englands best player since he was 19.
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Gav
22/03/2021 07:52:55 5 2
bbc
Curry is one England player completely undeserving of criticism. Should be captain.
841
22/03/2021 11:37:04 4 2
bbc
The comparison to McCaw was made by Matt Proudfoot, a South African who played for Scotland, not by the English media. The media simply reported his comments.
35
22/03/2021 06:54:21 7 8
bbc
Haha more deluded nonsense this is music to the ears of the Celtic countries all 3 of whom gubbed you this year by a combined total of 83-48
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Dan
22/03/2021 07:06:51 0 1
bbc
You can have your moment in the sun. We were cr@p this year. Well done!
42
JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
bbc
Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
63
22/03/2021 07:06:55 0 1
bbc
But we want to win something . When did Wales win the world cup?? Yakki dar Son of Glyn dower. No
120
22/03/2021 07:34:15 0 1
bbc
Iechyd da and Glyndwr. See, not difficult is it?
141
22/03/2021 07:39:44 0 2
bbc
Oh dear still harping on about that “World Cup” thing....your living in the past, this is the present. Just move on . The Press are one of England’s biggest problems without doubt !
27
22/03/2021 06:49:59 14 13
bbc
England have been on wrong end of some clearly biased refereeing which has not helped ie the French referee gifting Wales 14 POINTS
64
22/03/2021 07:07:21 0 5
bbc
Laughable whinging comment. Take away the 14 points 'gifted to Wales, add on the 3pts for the penalty kick then remove England's Watson's forward pass try and the final score would have been 29 -17 to Wales! BTW Have you seen the video of Farrell's cross field kick for Saracens to Ashton. What goes round comes round! Grow up mate!
609
22/03/2021 10:18:57 0 1
bbc
Different game when you’re not chasing it. You need to have played to understand that though.
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:08:44 30 4
bbc
New coach is needed. Eddie's done a good job to be fair but it seems the only way to freshen this team up will be to get someone new in.
107
22/03/2021 07:27:57 19 2
bbc
5 years is a long time to listen to the same team talk by the same coach to his favourite players.....
39
22/03/2021 06:57:10 12 2
bbc
Get rid of Jones, he picks the team. Too many players not in form yet he still picks them? Bring in a young English coach!
66
22/03/2021 07:09:31 5 3
bbc
Bring in the best forward thinking coach in the World - I could not care less if he is English or not .
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JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
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Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
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22/03/2021 07:10:07 2 1
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What like last year and where’s your grand slam still in Paris.
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22/03/2021 06:58:00 443 10
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Eddie Jones talked about resetting after the World Cup. The English Premiership has some exciting young players that are continually overlooked or mishandled when selected whilst EJ continues to pick the same starting players from the same cosy squad. England have gone backwards in so many ways it’s got to the point I enjoy watching France play more than my home country.
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Tim
22/03/2021 07:10:58 161 56
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I only had time to watch one match on Saturday, so I watched the thrilling Grand Slam match rather than the drab dead rubber between England and Ireland.

Jones needs to go, but the RFU lacks the gumption and also probably the funds, so England will limp on, occasionally brilliant but more often terrible, until after the next World Cup.
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22/03/2021 07:54:50 16 3
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Should of seen the premiership games

Bath 47 Worcester 22
Harlequins 59 Gloucester 24
Exeter 47 Leicester 31

Gonna watch the highlights on Monday ??
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22/03/2021 08:06:11 30 5
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Very odd. So you knew beforehand which game to watch and without watching the England game are on here commenting.
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22/03/2021 08:10:33 34 7
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Ireland weren't drab
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22/03/2021 11:10:49 2 1
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Agree Tim, but RFU do have a get out clause as does EJ. I'd be very surprised if he doesn't go. Just depends on if the man they want is available yet..
22/03/2021 15:15:32 0 0
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Only a drab dead rubber if your an Englishman, I didn't find it drab at all.
22/03/2021 18:27:15 0 0
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I am glad I wasn't the only England supporter that chose to watch the Wales v France game instead of England. Not a great place to be...
22/03/2021 18:28:49 0 0
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All dead rubbers when ye lose...
23/03/2021 12:57:59 0 0
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Ireland England was drab ??
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22/03/2021 07:11:05 195 4
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Jam tomorrow Jones. He has more resources and a bigger talent pool than any of the home nations, but his stubbornness is the biggest barrier to progress.
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22/03/2021 08:28:51 42 2
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Too true
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22/03/2021 10:31:08 10 0
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He loses playing stupid, pedestrian, forward smashing, box kicking, penalty filled games to Scotland and Wales, and gets panned by the press and pundits. He changes tactics and beats France, then reverts to plan A again against Ireland. I genuinely think stubborn Jones did it on purpose to stick two fingers up at everyone. Time has come to say thank you and goodbye.
22/03/2021 16:14:22 1 0
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And his arrogance.
23/03/2021 11:52:23 0 0
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There are more Rugby players in Yorkshire than in Wales. England should walk the 6 nations something's
wrong
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22/03/2021 07:11:47 81 1
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Playing rugby by numbers is the problem always the same tactics, nobody in the squad plays heads up rugby as EJ doesn't like that style of game
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22/03/2021 08:08:42 25 1
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This is the problem distilled in a one sentence.
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22/03/2021 12:24:46 1 0
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Very true, but Rugby by Numbers isn't just an England problem, its a game problem, it's just England are filling all the numbers with the same flipping colour.
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22/03/2021 07:02:49 39 9
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Like France, England is a large rugby playing nation with a significant number of very rich professional clubs, an incredible pyramid of junior clubs and a huge player base to pick from. These two countries should win the 6 nations every year. Look at Wales by contrast - small population, 4 financially poor professional teams and a small player base. Yet they punch above their weight most years.
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22/03/2021 07:11:50 58 5
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Wales have a similar population to NZ.

Compare the WCs in both trophy rooms
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22/03/2021 07:27:36 5 9
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Not quite. NZ=4.9 million, Wales =3.1 million. Almost 2 million different
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22/03/2021 08:26:33 9 4
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If World Cup ha been introduced earlier as in football, we may have had a couple. Plus half of Wales don't play rugby. You'll only see a smattering of rugby clubs in the North. I'm from Wrexham, biggest town in the North, and we didn't even play rugby in school. Only played in numbers , in the South. Can't really be compared to NZ in regards to participation figures.
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22/03/2021 09:41:46 1 2
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Unlike NZ, Football is the number 1 sport in Wales in terms of participants and spectators, so when you factor that in Wales certainly do 'punch above their weight'.
22/03/2021 13:14:02 0 0
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Its not population that counts - Its rugby playing population - France has biggest number of registered players by far - Wales actually has less registered players than Italy and 300k less than England!
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22/03/2021 07:06:46 28 20
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I see Curry is the latest English sensation to be bigged up by the deluded English media. To compare him to McCaw is not only laughable but an insult to one of the greatest players the game has seen.
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22/03/2021 07:12:08 13 11
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Not an insult, Curry is more S Burger type where (if we are making comparisons) Underhill is more likely to be McCaw ish! given the opportunity and caps.
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JM
22/03/2021 07:12:47 2 4
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6 if the starting line up were sarries, they haven't played this year which has shown. There are also noticeable absentees in Laws, underhill, marler, Knowle, tuilagi etc. This has been a very different year and 6 nations, it'll be better next year
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22/03/2021 07:17:23 2 1
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Sorry we have so many more to fill the void but eddie will not use them why?
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:17:48 1 1
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Every player you mention missing brought some dog to the team.

Its definetly a selection issue, Eddie needs to look for that type of player. Simmonds and Care stand out for me.
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22/03/2021 07:26:54 0 1
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Tuilagi isn’t dependable enough, Billy hasn’t been for a while, and Eddie says Ben Youngs will play through to RWC 2023
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JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
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Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
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Nothing like a bit of state sponsored doping in junior rugby Removed
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22/03/2021 06:57:10 12 2
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Get rid of Jones, he picks the team. Too many players not in form yet he still picks them? Bring in a young English coach!
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22/03/2021 07:14:14 0 1
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Who?Best coach in the Prem is Pat Lam,Baxter won’t leave Exeter so come on tell us who you’d have?
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22/03/2021 07:45:38 1 1
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Big Andy Farrell. But unfortunately he’s at Ireland.
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22/03/2021 08:26:56 0 1
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I may be wrong but I can’t see PL leaving what he is doing at Bristol toLikewise Baxter is Exeter through and through.
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22/03/2021 09:31:47 0 2
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Lam, by a country mile
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22/03/2021 07:06:46 28 20
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I see Curry is the latest English sensation to be bigged up by the deluded English media. To compare him to McCaw is not only laughable but an insult to one of the greatest players the game has seen.
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:14:46 7 3
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How is that an insult?

Recognising Mccaw is the benchmark and comparing a young 22 year old to him at that age? Curry has been Englands best player since he was 19.
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22/03/2021 07:25:59 2 11
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Mccaw by himself could outplay the entire English back row, in fact, the entire English pack.
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22/03/2021 07:14:53 15 1
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About time a summer tour was all about the talent and low cap in form players, not the usual suspects. Come on Eddie, give that talent a go.
22/03/2021 15:03:02 3 0
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It will be interesting to see who he selects for the summer tour. EJ previously thought his 1st 15 would be away with The Lions - not any more.
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22/03/2021 07:06:01 16 4
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They need to get some spirit, some of that Celtic spirit the other nations possess, but i feel it just does not exist in English sport. They play like they have earned the right to play before they actually have, couple that with the reluctance to take a chance on young fearless talent, Why is Owen Farrell so safe at number 10, he offers nothing in attack, they have danger out wide but that's it.
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22/03/2021 07:15:54 15 9
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What a load of nationalistic bs! You do realise that many of those players played in the RWC final, the youngest team ever to reach the final?
The Wales team that played on Saturday had 1000+ caps and
apart from LRZ not particularly full of young fearless talent!
Where is all that 'celtic spirit' for RWC or for playing NZ? And where was it last year on the 6n and ANC?
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22/03/2021 07:17:21 44 6
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Not playing their best players! Marcus Smith is the best 10 in England but to fit Farrell in Jones plays the 12, 13 and 15 out of position. Time to plan for next World Cup. Robson, Smith, making Dombrandt Willis ( when he is back) should be the base.
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22/03/2021 08:33:43 27 3
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When Ford lost form after leaving Barh Farrell was a better fly half. But Farrell was limited so when Ford came back to form he offered more. But Farrell has never been the second best centre in England. Nothing like. And he's captain because he's not a captain, just a great follower of orders.
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22/03/2021 09:00:10 7 1
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I probably prefer Harry Randall to Dan Robson, nearly 7 years younger too.
MW
22/03/2021 15:53:46 0 0
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Marcus Smith is a great option and I wish he was picked but how does Farrell playing at 12 stop that happening? Also how does Farrell playing at 12 impact the selection at FB?
Ford is the name you are looking for. He's the reason Smith isn't at 10 and Farrell needs to be at 12.
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JM
22/03/2021 07:12:47 2 4
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6 if the starting line up were sarries, they haven't played this year which has shown. There are also noticeable absentees in Laws, underhill, marler, Knowle, tuilagi etc. This has been a very different year and 6 nations, it'll be better next year
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22/03/2021 07:17:23 2 1
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Sorry we have so many more to fill the void but eddie will not use them why?
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22/03/2021 07:17:32 22 8
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Other nations play with a burning passion that England lack. Too one dimensional and a lack of leadership both on and off the field. Jones has to go and take with him his favoured players. Most of the Saracens players who let down their club, have also let down their country.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about! The players didn't let down the club you tool! Removed
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22/03/2021 08:13:22 2 2
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Skill and ability win games, not passion.
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22/03/2021 12:43:52 0 2
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That's v unfair re the Saracens players - blame the club heirarchy for the financial errors for sure (& let's get every prem clubs acts out for full scrutiny btw - v unlikely they were the only transgressors!) Saracens players worked incredibly hard to develop & with much success on the field over several yrs, no club-letdown there! Do agree Eng relied too much on status quo too many unfit players
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JM
22/03/2021 07:12:47 2 4
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6 if the starting line up were sarries, they haven't played this year which has shown. There are also noticeable absentees in Laws, underhill, marler, Knowle, tuilagi etc. This has been a very different year and 6 nations, it'll be better next year
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:17:48 1 1
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Every player you mention missing brought some dog to the team.

Its definetly a selection issue, Eddie needs to look for that type of player. Simmonds and Care stand out for me.
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22/03/2021 07:18:25 3 7
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Feels very familiar. It's a loss of form with poor selection. Australia used to do this cycle between world cups and always found form.
Keep the faith you don't become a bad team over night.
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22/03/2021 07:24:54 1 1
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Was with you until the last line.....

....Why did Eddie change approach and tactics after beating France ? You become a bad team if the boss chooses dullard rugby and feeds you to the opposition
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22/03/2021 07:18:30 123 3
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I'm sorry, but the biggest problem right now surely has to be the coach? He's the one who picks the side & the tactics. Every fan has their own opinion on who should or should not be playing & rarely do we agree much! But Jones seems extraordinarily reluctant to change things when they aren't working. The buck stops with him...
22/03/2021 13:15:58 11 1
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England are making the schoolboy error of scoring fewer points than their opponents. It's as simple as that.
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mc
22/03/2021 07:19:19 2 2
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ford,farrell, youngs, daley, vunipola should have neen replaced years ago
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fos
22/03/2021 07:20:47 2 1
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I don't know if Jones is the best man for the job or not.Since he got England to the World Cup final 18 months ago he must have something.Is there anything that might have hampered efforts this year ? Maybe the destruction of Saracens whose players at the heart of the English team have been left without quality rugby games and training rigor might in truth be the real factor for the poor form.
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JSP
22/03/2021 06:58:50 4 14
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Simple. Sack the squirmy little T##t and get a decent manager. Oh and model yourself on the mighty Wales. Cymru am Byth.
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22/03/2021 07:20:52 4 1
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The team who blew a 10 point lead against 14 men with 10 minutes to go? Mighty indeed!
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22/03/2021 07:02:49 39 9
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Like France, England is a large rugby playing nation with a significant number of very rich professional clubs, an incredible pyramid of junior clubs and a huge player base to pick from. These two countries should win the 6 nations every year. Look at Wales by contrast - small population, 4 financially poor professional teams and a small player base. Yet they punch above their weight most years.
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22/03/2021 07:21:00 6 5
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The best welsh players still come from the English Premiership. Rees-Zammit and Calum Sheedy are the latest of the production line.
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22/03/2021 07:45:09 1 1
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That does suggest that England are poor at identify talent .... you can add Cameron Redpath to that.

However, bear in mind that if you live in England and want to make it a career - then the only structured route is through the Academy system - and during that period you are only eligible for England.

LRZ seems to be an exception as he was born in Wales but went to Hartpury college.
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22/03/2021 07:50:57 5 4
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Sheedy, LRZ and Botham were all born in Wales but schooling meant they were in England.

Many families from Wales and Scotland had little choice but to move to England to find work in the 80/90/00 - it was an economic reality - so the children and heading towards the grandchildren of those generations are more than likely to be born in England - or in the case of Redpath - France.
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22/03/2021 08:54:13 1 2
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We could sat the same about Underhill. Both those players you quote were made in Wales by the way and then attended college in England post 18
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22/03/2021 07:21:03 1 4
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England have not progressed from their primitive bish bash bosh style of play. Therefore it is high time they were removed from the 6N to be replaced by Japan.
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22/03/2021 07:22:18 334 4
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First mistake they made was missing out on Shaun Edwards as defence coach, France grabbed him and he has worked wonders, same as he did with Wales. Secondly he refuses to axe out of form players, so those players have no incentive to put it right. Next far too many good players don't get a chance, Sam Simmonds, European POTY and you don't make the squad? Finally tactics, kick, kick, kick, boring.
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22/03/2021 07:27:54 132 3
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Said that repeatedly, pay him anything (edwards)

Every team he touches turns to gold
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JBM
22/03/2021 09:32:14 20 1
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Shaun Edwards absolutely should be the next England head coach,but it ain't going to happen.
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22/03/2021 10:25:48 2 3
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To get Edwards you will have to meet his demands which are always one sided. No one lost him he walked away. The whole Eng thing is a bloody mystery.
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kai
22/03/2021 11:01:07 2 2
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How is it you just assume Edward's will coach you?he won't until the RFU opolige to him and gatland
22/03/2021 12:55:48 3 0
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As for Jones not dropping out of form players, you only need to look across his career and realise he has history of sticking with favourites (look no further than George Gregan with the Wallabies and ACT Brumbies),
22/03/2021 15:23:58 1 0
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Not sure Jones and Edwards could or would ever work together ...
23/03/2021 12:46:24 0 0
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Sam Simmons, can't work that one out. He should be nailed on.
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22/03/2021 07:22:35 71 1
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The problem is Eddie......

....how on earth can he say there’s no obvious replacement for Billy ?

....a lack of talent coming through ?

.....Eddie is destroying England from the inside
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22/03/2021 10:10:59 12 9
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I actually think that is his plan.
Why would he want England to succeed, it's against his DNA.
B
22/03/2021 18:12:48 1 0
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Exactly right look at every coaching role he has had in his career 18 months of changing everything and highly intensive which leads too some improvements then a huge drop off in intensity and performances will continue downhill. He’s the magath of rugby coaching
22/03/2021 20:36:26 0 0
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Couldn't agree more with this. EJ unable or unwilling to look beyond what had worked for him in the past. Out of form players (by their own admission) being asked to play at 100pc of their best form just cannot happen and without 100pc performances from half the squad, we aren't good enough to beat the best.
23/03/2021 10:00:19 0 0
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Perhaps his dastardly plan is coming to the surface.
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22/03/2021 07:17:32 22 8
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Other nations play with a burning passion that England lack. Too one dimensional and a lack of leadership both on and off the field. Jones has to go and take with him his favoured players. Most of the Saracens players who let down their club, have also let down their country.
You obviously have no idea what you are talking about! The players didn't let down the club you tool! Removed
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22/03/2021 07:24:17 1 2
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I think England’s problem lies with the Ford/Farrell combo. I think you need a change from both. You definitely missed Underhill. Looking at the starting 15 - Itoje & Curry are your only real Lions contenders at the moment. England may need to pick some more new faces!
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22/03/2021 07:24:21 14 2
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“We finished the tournament better than we started “ Thanks for that summing up Jones . I would have summed it up somewhat differently - “ we were abysmal against poor to average Scotland , Ireland and Wales teams , average performance against a truly abysmal Italy and at times played reasonably against a potentially great French team” .
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22/03/2021 07:33:20 21 3
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The irony. The ignorance here is the assumption that the Irish, Scottish and Welsh teams are ‘poor to average’ and to lose to them England must be abysmal. The reality is there is not much between any of these good teams.
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22/03/2021 07:06:01 16 4
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They need to get some spirit, some of that Celtic spirit the other nations possess, but i feel it just does not exist in English sport. They play like they have earned the right to play before they actually have, couple that with the reluctance to take a chance on young fearless talent, Why is Owen Farrell so safe at number 10, he offers nothing in attack, they have danger out wide but that's it.
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22/03/2021 07:24:28 1 1
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Farrell usually plays 12 for England. He’s had one start at 10 this year.
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22/03/2021 11:01:03 2 1
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He only deserved one start and should have been dropped after it...
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22/03/2021 07:24:35 5 1
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Simple if you pick unfit players whose team is in the championship you will get slaughtered at international level
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22/03/2021 07:26:18 5 1
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Sarcens vs Cornish Pirates QED well said!
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22/03/2021 07:18:25 3 7
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Feels very familiar. It's a loss of form with poor selection. Australia used to do this cycle between world cups and always found form.
Keep the faith you don't become a bad team over night.
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22/03/2021 07:24:54 1 1
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Was with you until the last line.....

....Why did Eddie change approach and tactics after beating France ? You become a bad team if the boss chooses dullard rugby and feeds you to the opposition
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22/03/2021 07:06:27 3 6
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Touch of the Celtic's, thinking they're better than they are, arrogant and complacent in believing all they need to do to win is simply show up while - and where analogy breaks down a bit - other teams have continued to improve. Same with the cricket team as demontrated with consumate ease by India. Both great to witness.
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22/03/2021 07:24:59 0 1
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Agree 100%. Although, as a Glasgow Rangers fan, I struggle to see the connection to Eddie Jones and the English rugby team
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:14:46 7 3
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How is that an insult?

Recognising Mccaw is the benchmark and comparing a young 22 year old to him at that age? Curry has been Englands best player since he was 19.
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22/03/2021 07:25:59 2 11
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Mccaw by himself could outplay the entire English back row, in fact, the entire English pack.
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Bob
22/03/2021 07:31:23 6 2
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I dont remember McCaw having to play with Youngs,ford And farell with his main job as a kick chaser. So its hard to compare.
22/03/2021 14:16:44 0 0
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Not to the reffing standards they have now. McCaw was offside most of the game.
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22/03/2021 07:24:35 5 1
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Simple if you pick unfit players whose team is in the championship you will get slaughtered at international level
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22/03/2021 07:26:18 5 1
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Sarcens vs Cornish Pirates QED well said!
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22/03/2021 09:37:45 0 1
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How is that comment even relevant?