Green plan to upgrade homes was 'botched', say MPs
22/03/2021 | news | science | 348
A scheme offering people up to £10,000 for insulation has only reached 10% of its target, MPs say.
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22/03/2021 11:35:11 47 14
bbc
The government botched a scheme to be green? Imagine that! They're clueless and don't care.
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22/03/2021 11:51:07 8 17
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Perhaps you should do some basic research on the proposals, that simply dont stand up.
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22/03/2021 11:36:51 41 2
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We could not arrange a party in a brewery...
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22/03/2021 12:16:45 45 24
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Just further proof of Tory overpromising and underdelivering.

Yet many still tunnel vision and cherry pick the vaccine programme as a sign that they are competent (When it had little to do with them in the first place).

Everywhere else in society we are moving backwards.
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22/03/2021 11:40:29 45 3
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It may have been well intentioned but it was poorly executed.

I think the focus should shift to make sure all new builds are properly built (and not in flood areas). I think everyone knows someone who's been caught up in a new-build disaster story.
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22/03/2021 11:47:01 17 19
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New builds aren't the problem. Most of the emissions come from heating older terraced houses and semis.
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22/03/2021 12:04:00 2 16
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No, you are projecting your bad experience living in social housing flat with the rest of societies experience.

Im aware of a few developments on so called flood plains, & yet with all the rain not one place got flooded. I also know of one that is below sealevel, still not flooded but...

Your generalisations just feed the division in this country. Is that your true motive?
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22/03/2021 21:40:43 2 0
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and sound insulation should be a priority
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22/03/2021 11:39:07 5 9
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Why is the Government (of a nearly bankrupt Country) attempting to fund home improvements ?!

Judging by the cost of it, we need LESS Government, not more !!
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22/03/2021 11:42:01 68 3
bbc
This is not the only threat to the building industry! The relaxation, 2017, of planning laws and building regulation oversight is leading to the UK having enormous problems with its housing stock by way of unsupervised Mickey Mouse builders providing sub-standard footings, damp course and drains etc. It's a time bomb that you could see coming in 2017.
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22/03/2021 12:00:42 46 26
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Another Tory Bonus... ?
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22/03/2021 12:05:34 2 5
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The 2017 means that only certain development is now automatic. Building regs still have to be followed regardless.
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Pip
22/03/2021 14:22:58 6 0
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Tomorrows slums being built today, relaxation of standards, well who'd have thought that...........?
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22/03/2021 14:54:19 3 0
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We need to become a nation of self-builders. At least then there is an incentive to design quality homes with excellent insulation standards, adequate storage and garages you can actually fit a family car in to.

The mess we are in now predates 2017 by some considerable time.
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22/03/2021 15:04:17 2 0
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I'm just waiting for my neighnours loft extension to come crashing down one day!!
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22/03/2021 11:42:08 114 1
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This scheme is pointless, it was cheaper for us to buy and install our own loft insulation, than the savings the grants would pay. The installers are just increasing their prices to absorb the grant savings.
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22/03/2021 11:44:32 74 1
bbc
Absolutely and completely predictable.
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22/03/2021 11:50:58 5 1
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Loft insulation, yes, that would be cheaper than going through the approved installer rigmarole. But the scheme was never intended for - and does not cover - houses where that is your only improvement.
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22/03/2021 12:28:40 9 0
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Builders and tradesmen looking to rip you off, there's a new one.
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22/03/2021 13:25:01 4 0
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Very true
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22/03/2021 15:51:33 2 0
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Comment posted by Emma, today at 11:42Emma

This scheme is pointless, it was cheaper for us to buy and install our own loft insulation, than the savings the grants would pay. The installers are just increasing their prices to absorb the grant savings.

Im guessing you didn't have NI Paye and pensions to pay.
As well as maintenance on vehicles etc and the health and safety costs.
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23/03/2021 02:49:36 0 0
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Its always the same. I wanted an outlet to charge my plug-in hybrid. My builder's electrician did it for less than it would have cost if I'd got the £350 govt OLEV grant using an approved installer. The approvals process is a money machine for all involved, and the tax payer foots the bill.
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23/03/2021 05:09:35 0 0
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Not pointless at all Emma, many have retired to the sun on this.
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23/03/2021 07:10:34 1 0
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You have no idea the costs the installers have to pay to be part of the scheme...they are massive ..its time consuming nonsense ...
I saw a report of a Scottish fisherman having to fill in 70 forms to export cockles to the EU .He wants to think himself lucky he is not involved in this scheme .and 6 months on after lots of costs approaching a £100k now we still haven't been paid a single penny
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MVP
22/03/2021 11:43:23 35 3
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The only winners with this scheme have been the installers. This has been a shocking waste of public funds.
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22/03/2021 11:49:04 24 1
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Yup, they increased their prices, making it the same price as it was before the grant.

As part of the scheme they should have fixed the cost of the installation at least for the common housing types in the UK, e.g. 1930's semi, terraced etc. And specified renewable building materials.
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22/03/2021 21:26:13 0 0
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No, installers have gone bust over this.
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22/03/2021 11:42:08 114 1
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This scheme is pointless, it was cheaper for us to buy and install our own loft insulation, than the savings the grants would pay. The installers are just increasing their prices to absorb the grant savings.
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22/03/2021 11:44:32 74 1
bbc
Absolutely and completely predictable.
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22/03/2021 11:44:47 20 0
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We've tried to get cavity walls done. No one can do it for at least 6 months due to demand and minimal suppliers.

The deal needs permanency for contractors to get onboard, then the final result might actually be realised.

But it wont at this rate.
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22/03/2021 15:13:44 8 2
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Builders are very busy buzzing around in white turbo boosted VW Vans with designer wheels, our chap had great veneers.
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22/03/2021 11:40:29 45 3
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It may have been well intentioned but it was poorly executed.

I think the focus should shift to make sure all new builds are properly built (and not in flood areas). I think everyone knows someone who's been caught up in a new-build disaster story.
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22/03/2021 11:47:01 17 19
bbc
New builds aren't the problem. Most of the emissions come from heating older terraced houses and semis.
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22/03/2021 15:51:25 5 0
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Older terraced houses and semis paid out their embedded carbon a long time ago. New builds have a colossal carbon footprint - those cinder blocks, sheets of plastic foam insulation, and bags of concrete don't make themselves, you know. The amount of carbon emitted to make modern building materials is catastrophic. Bolting on fossil-fuel plastic insulation to mitigate all that is absurd.
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23/03/2021 10:14:44 0 0
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Though actually the terrace itself is a pretty good insulating solution.
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22/03/2021 11:48:14 32 2
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I completely agree. The conditions of the deal mean that only their approved contractors can carry out the work and the occupier will have to pay for through the energy bills and carry forward to the next occupier. Not a grant but a money go round which punishes the occupier. Great for approved Contractors, great for landlords and useless to tenants. It should benefit the Occupier.
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MVP
22/03/2021 11:43:23 35 3
bbc
The only winners with this scheme have been the installers. This has been a shocking waste of public funds.
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22/03/2021 11:49:04 24 1
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Yup, they increased their prices, making it the same price as it was before the grant.

As part of the scheme they should have fixed the cost of the installation at least for the common housing types in the UK, e.g. 1930's semi, terraced etc. And specified renewable building materials.
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22/03/2021 12:07:15 1 6
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Have you proof of this? As if you can name those who have profiteered then no doubt the news papers would pay for your facts!
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22/03/2021 11:49:07 26 2
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When I checked it said not in your area, same as broadband then

Even if it was in my area it was way too expensive eg air/ground pumps vs new gas boiler. Got a new gas boiler instead. I did consider hydrogen but it wasn't covered
Underfloor heating no use to me, wrong type of floor, wall insulation wrong type of wall . Already got loads of roof insulation No use to anyone not on benefits
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22/03/2021 14:03:07 5 1
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The costings I've seen are that heat pumps are economical only if you don't have mains gas.
Our local gas installer said that mains gas will eventually be mixed with hydrogen to reduce the carbon footprint.
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22/03/2021 11:50:17 10 8
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Green plans are greenwash.....banning gas heating in the future with systems that cannot provide the warmth needed on demand for cold UK winters. Utter madness from virtue signaling zealots
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22/03/2021 12:09:02 2 1
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So who will be blamed when the elderly start suffering from hypothermia?
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22/03/2021 11:42:08 114 1
bbc
This scheme is pointless, it was cheaper for us to buy and install our own loft insulation, than the savings the grants would pay. The installers are just increasing their prices to absorb the grant savings.
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22/03/2021 11:50:58 5 1
bbc
Loft insulation, yes, that would be cheaper than going through the approved installer rigmarole. But the scheme was never intended for - and does not cover - houses where that is your only improvement.
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22/03/2021 11:53:45 5 5
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I guess we could use the grant to install flammable wall cladding....
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22/03/2021 11:35:11 47 14
bbc
The government botched a scheme to be green? Imagine that! They're clueless and don't care.
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22/03/2021 11:51:07 8 17
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Perhaps you should do some basic research on the proposals, that simply dont stand up.
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22/03/2021 11:51:13 12 4
bbc
"Green plan to upgrade homes was 'botched', say MPs"

Wurzel botches almost everything he touches.

And when he is a PM during a pandemic, that's proven to be deadly.
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22/03/2021 11:47:02 8 2
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This is up there with the 'fix your bike scheme'. Headline grabbing policy announcements poorly implemented and near impossible to get. My nearest registered insulation installer was in another country! I wanted to use my local builder but he didn't have the time, energy or will to get registered for Trustmark. So he's out. Reduce the bureaucracy and it could work.
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22/03/2021 11:50:58 5 1
bbc
Loft insulation, yes, that would be cheaper than going through the approved installer rigmarole. But the scheme was never intended for - and does not cover - houses where that is your only improvement.
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22/03/2021 11:53:45 5 5
bbc
I guess we could use the grant to install flammable wall cladding....
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22/03/2021 13:02:29 6 5
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That the flammable cladding that the Tories got their pals who owned the company making the flammable cladding to write the specs for UK standards on?
Standards they still failed to reach for the cladding on Grenfell, so they 'fudged' the testing on, resulting in the deaths of all those people, but not one of those involved in the dodgy dealings going to jail over...

That flammable cladding?
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22/03/2021 11:55:27 5 2
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I looked into this for an Air Source Heat Pump. There's a scheme already in place where you're refunded for generating your own green energy which was a big attraction. Throw £5k in towards the cost of it from this green grant and it should have been even more attractive. Except that £5k is deducted from the green generation scheme making this grant completely worthless. Waste of time.
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22/03/2021 11:55:35 10 0
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There was a period a few years ago when I was inundated by door-to-door callers wanting to give me cavity wall insulation and claiming the council was behind it.

It looked very unprofessional and I never had any information direct from the council about it.

I told them all to go away.
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22/03/2021 11:56:43 0 0
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we have had our walls supposedy done b ut they have not made much difference
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22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
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Drafts can be the major heat loss issue.
There is a balance between needed ventilation for a healthy environment verse the unwanted draft that is the problem
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22/03/2021 11:57:47 3 8
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Usual bad headline & comments from the BBC English graduate. Saying there is a rumour doesnt make it fact. HarrowBin could have made it up as there is zero proof.

As most people only read the headline &/or the 1st paragraph its poor journalism to leave the balance in the last 3% of the article.

Just because the eco-zealots like RH want things to go faster doesnt mean its realistic.
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22/03/2021 12:18:13 3 1
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Very rich coming from someone who denies the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change. Your opinion has no value because of that.

Evidence for passers by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56287005#comp-comments-button
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22/03/2021 13:14:08 0 0
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The eco-zealots will of course not believe that the UKGov is doing enough.
Thats mainly because the thin veneer of environmentalism covers their left wing politics.

Capitalism has brought more people out of ultra poverty than any other form of economic/political system. Capitalism can help drive green initiatives but the results need to be less discriminating
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22/03/2021 11:58:33 28 2
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The realities of real life do seem to differ from the fantasies of politician's don't you find ?
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22/03/2021 12:52:09 18 12
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Especially the fantasy pushed by the ERG Tories, fantasists who push far right climate change denial and xenophobic hate most of them.
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22/03/2021 12:00:03 4 5
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So out of the Committee there are various people with a legal background, grave digger, & more than a few who have only ever worked in politics in one form or another,

How do these people know how to separate myth, agenda, bias from facts.

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22/03/2021 12:08:43 3 4
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Very rich coming from someone who denies the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change. Your opinion has no value because of that.

Evidence for passers by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56287005#comp-comments-button
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22/03/2021 11:42:01 68 3
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This is not the only threat to the building industry! The relaxation, 2017, of planning laws and building regulation oversight is leading to the UK having enormous problems with its housing stock by way of unsupervised Mickey Mouse builders providing sub-standard footings, damp course and drains etc. It's a time bomb that you could see coming in 2017.
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22/03/2021 12:00:42 46 26
bbc
Another Tory Bonus... ?
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22/03/2021 13:20:17 1 11
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Another boring knee-jerk comment?
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22/03/2021 20:03:56 0 0
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Remind me of the Labour housing policy and how many wonderful houses they built?
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22/03/2021 11:40:29 45 3
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It may have been well intentioned but it was poorly executed.

I think the focus should shift to make sure all new builds are properly built (and not in flood areas). I think everyone knows someone who's been caught up in a new-build disaster story.
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22/03/2021 12:04:00 2 16
bbc
No, you are projecting your bad experience living in social housing flat with the rest of societies experience.

Im aware of a few developments on so called flood plains, & yet with all the rain not one place got flooded. I also know of one that is below sealevel, still not flooded but...

Your generalisations just feed the division in this country. Is that your true motive?
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22/03/2021 12:30:55 11 4
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If we listened to people like you, you would have us put Asbestos back into our insulation materials. No understanding of the consequences for what you desire what so ever.

Also your point about Flood plains is also demonstrably untrue.

It is your ignorance and generalisations that are dangerous and divisive, not what you claim the OP is.
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23/03/2021 00:00:13 1 0
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Ooh, have you modelled this too Grumpy, with your never to be explained expertise.
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22/03/2021 12:05:06 5 1
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Either energy efficiency measures will pay back in a reasonable number of years, in which case they need no subsidy. If they fail this test they are not worth doing.

So the government should spend the money on something worthwhile instead of these schemes.
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22/03/2021 12:13:23 0 5
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There have been various energy efficiency measures that are suggested that cause more issues.

The whole point is to lower the energy used in the UK. Zero point in putting in excessive insulation when the end amount of energy has increased.

Hence the Building Regs have not mandated 1 meter of rock wool in the attics.
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22/03/2021 11:42:01 68 3
bbc
This is not the only threat to the building industry! The relaxation, 2017, of planning laws and building regulation oversight is leading to the UK having enormous problems with its housing stock by way of unsupervised Mickey Mouse builders providing sub-standard footings, damp course and drains etc. It's a time bomb that you could see coming in 2017.
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22/03/2021 12:05:34 2 5
bbc
The 2017 means that only certain development is now automatic. Building regs still have to be followed regardless.
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22/03/2021 12:44:02 13 1
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Except that levels of compliance with the regs are low - local authorities don't have enough building inspectors to check, and once the plasterboard's in place, no one can see what horrors it conceals!
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23/03/2021 00:10:08 1 0
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Without the threat of being caught and punished, many ignore building regs.
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22/03/2021 12:06:57 27 0
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Cavity Wall ??

Horror stories from people that have had it done, how qualified are the people that perform the survey. In principle it should be a great idea.
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22/03/2021 12:49:58 7 12
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Had it installed in the last 3 homes I've owned, no problems in any of them.

What horror stories? All I'm hearing are scare stories never heard a single complain from anyone who's had it done.
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22/03/2021 11:49:04 24 1
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Yup, they increased their prices, making it the same price as it was before the grant.

As part of the scheme they should have fixed the cost of the installation at least for the common housing types in the UK, e.g. 1930's semi, terraced etc. And specified renewable building materials.
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22/03/2021 12:07:15 1 6
bbc
Have you proof of this? As if you can name those who have profiteered then no doubt the news papers would pay for your facts!
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22/03/2021 12:57:52 4 2
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The newspapers are not interested in facts that show the Tories have had their hands in the till.
If they had been then we would have been bombarded with the details of how the government gave the job of defining the standards for cladding to the same people who manufactured the cladding that burned on Grenfell, and who were major donors to the Tory party. (That is all documented fact)
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22/03/2021 13:48:25 2 3
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So get downvoted for suggesting that the facts ought to be published.

seems to me that people dont wont facts but just confirmation of their bias??
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23/03/2021 00:13:34 0 0
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Pick any company and look at their accounts, it's easy enough to find.
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22/03/2021 12:07:45 56 8
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15 years ago the code for sustainable homes was introduced. by 2013 no houses should have been built in the UK that weren't zero carbon, then the developers and the Tory party got involved.

These arent homes that require the wearing of knitted sandals and lentils 3 times a day.

Just well built cheap to run homes.

But we cant upset the housing gravy train, houses should be for people not profit
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22/03/2021 16:35:58 17 0
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Exactly!
The dumbing down of construction methods in pursuit of cheaper labour costs and profit is the story of post-war building.
CfSH just goes back to basics - homes are built to benefit their occupants. At the moment its self-build or rubbish-build.
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22/03/2021 17:13:56 2 0
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It's odd that the basics of house-building haven't really changed since we stopped living in caves - transport materials to site, than put them together outdoors, working in all weathers with poor supervision.
We wouldn't expect new cars to be any good if they were assembled from loose parts in dealers' yards, so why don't we put houses together in factories too?
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22/03/2021 21:20:21 2 0
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As I understand it c2019 Persimmon made an average £65k profit on a new build
house.
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22/03/2021 21:35:17 0 0
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snag is low carbon/emision technoligy a tends not to have a great lifespan and b costs a lot to maintain maybe the gov should mandate a 20 yr guarentee because that was possible with old tec
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22/03/2021 12:00:03 4 5
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So out of the Committee there are various people with a legal background, grave digger, & more than a few who have only ever worked in politics in one form or another,

How do these people know how to separate myth, agenda, bias from facts.

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22/03/2021 12:08:43 3 4
bbc
Very rich coming from someone who denies the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change. Your opinion has no value because of that.

Evidence for passers by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56287005#comp-comments-button
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22/03/2021 13:08:30 0 0
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I did notice that you didnt answer which IPCC forecast that you believe in. Going to have another go....

If you believe in the worst case then the UKGov needs to get its act together.
However, you still need to consider the total energy vs long term energy saving for a home owner.

Its called balance..

ps: I believe & have stated that AGW is 100% man made. qv tautology
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22/03/2021 11:50:17 10 8
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Green plans are greenwash.....banning gas heating in the future with systems that cannot provide the warmth needed on demand for cold UK winters. Utter madness from virtue signaling zealots
34
22/03/2021 12:09:02 2 1
bbc
So who will be blamed when the elderly start suffering from hypothermia?
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22/03/2021 12:09:35 2 2
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We are just building inefficient houses. Building regulation must be changed so that we build energy efficient homes. Then we should demolish all those old inefficient terraces with no space for of-road car , parking and provide them with EV charging points and heating systems suited to heat pumps as the heat source.
Trying to fit a heat pump to an existing heating system is uneconomic.
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22/03/2021 12:14:16 3 0
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As long as these houses are no replaced by high rise appartment blocks made frolm dodgy building methods and materials.
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22/03/2021 12:19:15 1 1
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Life loves a dreamer
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22/03/2021 11:56:43 0 0
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we have had our walls supposedy done b ut they have not made much difference
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22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
bbc
Drafts can be the major heat loss issue.
There is a balance between needed ventilation for a healthy environment verse the unwanted draft that is the problem
37
22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
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Instead of improving the energy efficiency of existing homes, why aren't they demolished and replaced by more energy efficient homes? My house is already 90 years old but its efficiency is considered poor. I've just replaced the roof. No grant for that!. How long are rickety, old, inefficient houses meant to last?
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22/03/2021 12:14:38 4 0
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Total energy cost would be higher.

And where would people live while their house was getting destroyed & rebuilt?
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22/03/2021 12:18:32 1 3
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Oh can you imagine the planning nightmare that would be. We can't build enough homes as it is due to head in the green belt planning rubbish. You would probably also find that your current 90yo home is now a listed building. Scheme should pivot & charge more CT for having inefficient homes
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22/03/2021 12:32:17 3 0
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However the build quality will far exceed the modern houses.

I don't expect many of the new houses to be around in 60 years time.

Too much mdf and plaster
board instead of real wood and brick.
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23/03/2021 07:31:41 0 0
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a lot longer than the rubbish they are building now days
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22/03/2021 12:12:13 5 2
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The govt should be offering free external wall insulation to all pre cavity wall homes.
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22/03/2021 12:32:15 4 0
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Exactly it should depend on the house not the person.
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22/03/2021 12:12:56 13 3
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The Renewable Heat initiative was a shambles, and brought down the NI government. This is a shambles. I wonder what 'super-efficient' heat pumps and electric cars will be?
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22/03/2021 12:05:06 5 1
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Either energy efficiency measures will pay back in a reasonable number of years, in which case they need no subsidy. If they fail this test they are not worth doing.

So the government should spend the money on something worthwhile instead of these schemes.
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22/03/2021 12:13:23 0 5
bbc
There have been various energy efficiency measures that are suggested that cause more issues.

The whole point is to lower the energy used in the UK. Zero point in putting in excessive insulation when the end amount of energy has increased.

Hence the Building Regs have not mandated 1 meter of rock wool in the attics.
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23/03/2021 00:21:44 0 0
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Please elaborate on such measures.
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22/03/2021 12:09:35 2 2
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We are just building inefficient houses. Building regulation must be changed so that we build energy efficient homes. Then we should demolish all those old inefficient terraces with no space for of-road car , parking and provide them with EV charging points and heating systems suited to heat pumps as the heat source.
Trying to fit a heat pump to an existing heating system is uneconomic.
41
22/03/2021 12:14:16 3 0
bbc
As long as these houses are no replaced by high rise appartment blocks made frolm dodgy building methods and materials.
37
22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
bbc
Instead of improving the energy efficiency of existing homes, why aren't they demolished and replaced by more energy efficient homes? My house is already 90 years old but its efficiency is considered poor. I've just replaced the roof. No grant for that!. How long are rickety, old, inefficient houses meant to last?
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22/03/2021 12:14:38 4 0
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Total energy cost would be higher.

And where would people live while their house was getting destroyed & rebuilt?
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22/03/2021 12:24:06 0 3
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Build the houses first, then move people in to them. Then demolish the old houses.
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22/03/2021 12:15:44 8 0
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A company spent ages surveying a two-storey maisonette I own and rent out. They never did get back to me with the results. A total waste of my time.
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22/03/2021 12:31:17 7 2
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This is the problem the bureaucratic jobsworth nonsense. Paying for supposed surveys. Joke jobs. Fake hurdles to the grants. No wonder the civil service makes such a mess of so much they do.
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22/03/2021 12:16:39 16 5
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this has all the hallmarks of Tories with there hands in the till,
no one believes what any minsters says on green energy,
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22/03/2021 12:32:47 3 16
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Metropolitan, middle-class liberal tripe!
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22/03/2021 13:33:51 1 4
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Your comment has all the hallmarks of an anti-Conservative ranter, including the spelling mistakes and incorrect punctuation.
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22/03/2021 11:36:51 41 2
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We could not arrange a party in a brewery...
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22/03/2021 12:16:45 45 24
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Just further proof of Tory overpromising and underdelivering.

Yet many still tunnel vision and cherry pick the vaccine programme as a sign that they are competent (When it had little to do with them in the first place).

Everywhere else in society we are moving backwards.
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22/03/2021 12:30:55 7 3
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You and I can see it, I do question the electorates marbles.
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22/03/2021 13:09:08 5 3
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The vaccination programme is being delivered by what is left of the NHS after 10 years of ideologically driven Tory cuts (https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in)

Compare that to the privately delivered Serco Test and Trace system headed up by the wife of a Tory MP...
111
22/03/2021 13:21:46 3 6
bbc
Another tedious anti-Conservative rant. What's the betting you are an unreconciled Remainer?
261
22/03/2021 21:43:26 0 0
bbc
im afraid it was the same when labour were in power dont blame individual parties blame bad goverment of whatever color
23
22/03/2021 11:57:47 3 8
bbc
Usual bad headline & comments from the BBC English graduate. Saying there is a rumour doesnt make it fact. HarrowBin could have made it up as there is zero proof.

As most people only read the headline &/or the 1st paragraph its poor journalism to leave the balance in the last 3% of the article.

Just because the eco-zealots like RH want things to go faster doesnt mean its realistic.
46
22/03/2021 12:18:13 3 1
bbc
Very rich coming from someone who denies the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change. Your opinion has no value because of that.

Evidence for passers by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56287005#comp-comments-button
37
22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
bbc
Instead of improving the energy efficiency of existing homes, why aren't they demolished and replaced by more energy efficient homes? My house is already 90 years old but its efficiency is considered poor. I've just replaced the roof. No grant for that!. How long are rickety, old, inefficient houses meant to last?
47
22/03/2021 12:18:32 1 3
bbc
Oh can you imagine the planning nightmare that would be. We can't build enough homes as it is due to head in the green belt planning rubbish. You would probably also find that your current 90yo home is now a listed building. Scheme should pivot & charge more CT for having inefficient homes
55
22/03/2021 12:27:16 0 4
bbc
Nothing else we buy is expected to last for 100 years or morer. Why should a house? By clearing away all those old victorian terraces we could replace them with better homes and deal with the traffic / parking problems / charging problems at the same time.
35
22/03/2021 12:09:35 2 2
bbc
We are just building inefficient houses. Building regulation must be changed so that we build energy efficient homes. Then we should demolish all those old inefficient terraces with no space for of-road car , parking and provide them with EV charging points and heating systems suited to heat pumps as the heat source.
Trying to fit a heat pump to an existing heating system is uneconomic.
48
22/03/2021 12:19:15 1 1
bbc
Life loves a dreamer
49
22/03/2021 12:21:44 4 1
bbc
This scheme is never going to have the desired impact on reducing carbon emissions unless it is expanded to include commercial properties. There must be a lot of vacant shops out there which the landlords could be making more energy efficient whilst they're waiting for new tenants, but without government help it ain't gonna happen.
57
22/03/2021 12:28:25 2 0
bbc
Well given we are moving to home working had they handed money to insulate offices they would be being torn down in the coming years! Really businesses can make their own decisions on the return on insulating their buildings.
50
22/03/2021 12:22:53 5 3
bbc
Another day, another committee of backbench MPs publishes a report criticising the Government which will be ignored.

Keeps them busy I suppose.
75
22/03/2021 12:45:42 5 1
bbc
Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories, they are practised in ignoring bad press for the Tories.
Meanwhile they will be very busy digging up, or making up smear stories aimed at those who stand against them.

We don't have a free press in the UK, just a Tory propaganda machine.
42
22/03/2021 12:14:38 4 0
bbc
Total energy cost would be higher.

And where would people live while their house was getting destroyed & rebuilt?
51
22/03/2021 12:24:06 0 3
bbc
Build the houses first, then move people in to them. Then demolish the old houses.
52
22/03/2021 12:25:26 83 0
bbc
Our oil boiler is <20yrs old, serviced regularly and has easily got another 10yrs+ left.

We don't qualify for the grants (according to Eaga etc.) so why would I spend £15k to £20k switching to a green system with all the building modifications needed to accommodate.

Strikes me that if you want to be green you either have to be:

(a) on state benefits to qualify, or
(b) rich

We're neither!
74
22/03/2021 12:44:48 41 1
bbc
Exactly. Bad political attitudes.
If money is to be given to achieve a purpose then the money should go only based on the purpose not the person. Oldest worst insulated no cavity wall, or oldest boilers etc.
140
22/03/2021 14:07:59 8 0
bbc
Like everything else in this country, if you pay tax then nothing free for you, if you work cash in hand then you get all the perks.
157
L_W
22/03/2021 14:56:11 1 0
bbc
On state benefits & with more savings than is the minimum allowed to cover the difference....
190
22/03/2021 16:24:35 2 0
bbc
Previous green grants weren't that way. I know someone very comfortably off, was paid in full for a huge biomass boiler (a five figure sum presumably), just to heat one house.
That could have provided heating for several poorer households - ultimately reducing the tax burden of poverty.
We haven't got to grips with the efficiency of district heating schemes.
234
22/03/2021 19:51:40 5 0
bbc
I have an obscure air source heat pump which required repair. Most firms I contacted wanted to replace entire system. The RHI , the lack of expertise in the field of repairs (it is easier to install a new system than repair an old one) and salesmen drive the market. Renewable Energy is the new stomping ground for double glazing salesmen.
304
23/03/2021 07:07:53 0 0
bbc
Well said
312
23/03/2021 08:10:17 2 0
bbc
c) care about climate change and hope to leave a habitable planet for the next generation?
344
23/03/2021 20:36:03 1 0
bbc
there were three options. The one you omitted was 'You have to be 'Green'. My boiler is 20 years old, oil fired. I could spend £20k having ground source heat pump installed? I spend on average, £500pa on oil. Let me think about that for a nanosecond.
347
23/03/2021 22:18:01 0 0
bbc
Impossible to get if on state benefits or retired or a tenant.. Insane stupid system built like a labyrinth with no exit. So we continue to live in a house with little insulation and single glazing.
Removed
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22/03/2021 12:26:21 17 5
bbc
Completely useless. Rigged against anyone with any incomes but lavished free on others. Either there is a grant for a purpose or no one should get it.

Further the rich middle class way of paying others to do simple diy jobs is embedded in. Grants should fund materials for diy insulation. Not just fund builder mates pockets.
311
23/03/2021 07:54:22 0 0
bbc
“Not just fund builder mates pockets.”

And who in so many cases don’t declare their income to the Tax-man and are tax cheats.
47
22/03/2021 12:18:32 1 3
bbc
Oh can you imagine the planning nightmare that would be. We can't build enough homes as it is due to head in the green belt planning rubbish. You would probably also find that your current 90yo home is now a listed building. Scheme should pivot & charge more CT for having inefficient homes
55
22/03/2021 12:27:16 0 4
bbc
Nothing else we buy is expected to last for 100 years or morer. Why should a house? By clearing away all those old victorian terraces we could replace them with better homes and deal with the traffic / parking problems / charging problems at the same time.
67
22/03/2021 12:34:38 2 1
bbc
Wrong a house is not a mud hut, though modern builds may well be built that poorly in wood not brick. It should last hundreds of years. It is not a 'consumable'!
56
22/03/2021 12:27:59 59 2
bbc
A better use of this money would be to subsidise the materials so home owners could carry out the work themselves or employ their own builders.
214
22/03/2021 17:41:44 41 1
bbc
There should be no VAT on insulation etc
49
22/03/2021 12:21:44 4 1
bbc
This scheme is never going to have the desired impact on reducing carbon emissions unless it is expanded to include commercial properties. There must be a lot of vacant shops out there which the landlords could be making more energy efficient whilst they're waiting for new tenants, but without government help it ain't gonna happen.
57
22/03/2021 12:28:25 2 0
bbc
Well given we are moving to home working had they handed money to insulate offices they would be being torn down in the coming years! Really businesses can make their own decisions on the return on insulating their buildings.
65
22/03/2021 12:32:22 2 0
bbc
I am just implying that such a thing ain't gonna happen without the taxpayer footing the bill, and I didn't say I was pleased about it either.
89
22/03/2021 12:59:17 1 0
bbc
Issue is that offices tend to be uninhabited during the coldest part of the day, plus the heat from all the computers will quickly cause issues.

Super insulate an office and then you will have more air-con.

The old converted listed building to an office is problematic on so many fronts.
210
22/03/2021 17:23:55 2 0
bbc
Except relatively few businesses own their buildings. Tenants don't want to spend money improving a property they don't own, while landlords have little incentive to invest because the tenant is responsible for paying the bills.
However, that's the least of their problems now - thousands of offices & shops are redundant and will never be occupied again, however much is spent on improving them.
6
22/03/2021 11:42:08 114 1
bbc
This scheme is pointless, it was cheaper for us to buy and install our own loft insulation, than the savings the grants would pay. The installers are just increasing their prices to absorb the grant savings.
58
22/03/2021 12:28:40 9 0
bbc
Builders and tradesmen looking to rip you off, there's a new one.
94
22/03/2021 13:03:41 6 5
bbc
Tories enabling their cronies in the ripping off of the consumer, no change there either...
59
22/03/2021 12:29:31 21 6
bbc
Sadly it's just one botch in a long line of botches by this government.
69
22/03/2021 12:40:51 14 2
bbc
While I understand the need to blindly attack a party you disagree with in generality, the fact is these things get done badly by all parties. The type of person that gets handed a place as a MP are largely 'clever' idiots. Not helped much by state civil servants who ought to be the professionals. They are playing politics, personal advantage, mates advantage, especially in building, planning.
70
22/03/2021 12:42:32 3 3
bbc
Ah but don't forget they will still claim credit for the NHS delivering a successful vaccination rollout (despite having spent 10 years cutting NHS funding - yes they have Tory bots see: https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in)
While glossing over Test and Trace headed up by the wife of a Tory MP via Serco...
45
22/03/2021 12:16:45 45 24
bbc
Just further proof of Tory overpromising and underdelivering.

Yet many still tunnel vision and cherry pick the vaccine programme as a sign that they are competent (When it had little to do with them in the first place).

Everywhere else in society we are moving backwards.
60
22/03/2021 12:30:55 7 3
bbc
You and I can see it, I do question the electorates marbles.
173
22/03/2021 15:38:56 2 2
bbc
We are the majority, I think you need to question your own marbles.
27
22/03/2021 12:04:00 2 16
bbc
No, you are projecting your bad experience living in social housing flat with the rest of societies experience.

Im aware of a few developments on so called flood plains, & yet with all the rain not one place got flooded. I also know of one that is below sealevel, still not flooded but...

Your generalisations just feed the division in this country. Is that your true motive?
61
22/03/2021 12:30:55 11 4
bbc
If we listened to people like you, you would have us put Asbestos back into our insulation materials. No understanding of the consequences for what you desire what so ever.

Also your point about Flood plains is also demonstrably untrue.

It is your ignorance and generalisations that are dangerous and divisive, not what you claim the OP is.
138
22/03/2021 13:58:15 1 7
bbc
You, like the trolls, seem to enjoy using strawman arguments. I never said anything positive about asbestos or other materials with the same risk to people or animal health. Its one of the reasons why I dislike Wind Farms due to the long term risk of million of blades being landfilled.

No point in some of these schemes as the alleged "cure" is worse for any long term gain.
43
22/03/2021 12:15:44 8 0
bbc
A company spent ages surveying a two-storey maisonette I own and rent out. They never did get back to me with the results. A total waste of my time.
62
22/03/2021 12:31:17 7 2
bbc
This is the problem the bureaucratic jobsworth nonsense. Paying for supposed surveys. Joke jobs. Fake hurdles to the grants. No wonder the civil service makes such a mess of so much they do.
38
22/03/2021 12:12:13 5 2
bbc
The govt should be offering free external wall insulation to all pre cavity wall homes.
63
22/03/2021 12:32:15 4 0
bbc
Exactly it should depend on the house not the person.
37
22/03/2021 12:10:50 1 1
bbc
Instead of improving the energy efficiency of existing homes, why aren't they demolished and replaced by more energy efficient homes? My house is already 90 years old but its efficiency is considered poor. I've just replaced the roof. No grant for that!. How long are rickety, old, inefficient houses meant to last?
64
22/03/2021 12:32:17 3 0
bbc
However the build quality will far exceed the modern houses.

I don't expect many of the new houses to be around in 60 years time.

Too much mdf and plaster
board instead of real wood and brick.
57
22/03/2021 12:28:25 2 0
bbc
Well given we are moving to home working had they handed money to insulate offices they would be being torn down in the coming years! Really businesses can make their own decisions on the return on insulating their buildings.
65
22/03/2021 12:32:22 2 0
bbc
I am just implying that such a thing ain't gonna happen without the taxpayer footing the bill, and I didn't say I was pleased about it either.
44
22/03/2021 12:16:39 16 5
bbc
this has all the hallmarks of Tories with there hands in the till,
no one believes what any minsters says on green energy,
66
22/03/2021 12:32:47 3 16
bbc
Metropolitan, middle-class liberal tripe!
77
22/03/2021 12:46:30 5 0
bbc
Tory right wing propaganda trolling...
109
22/03/2021 13:20:33 2 0
bbc
your paying for it
294
23/03/2021 00:18:43 0 0
bbc
You missed out lefty. You won't get paid.
55
22/03/2021 12:27:16 0 4
bbc
Nothing else we buy is expected to last for 100 years or morer. Why should a house? By clearing away all those old victorian terraces we could replace them with better homes and deal with the traffic / parking problems / charging problems at the same time.
67
22/03/2021 12:34:38 2 1
bbc
Wrong a house is not a mud hut, though modern builds may well be built that poorly in wood not brick. It should last hundreds of years. It is not a 'consumable'!
115
sw
22/03/2021 13:27:33 1 0
bbc
Cob buildings in the West Country and clay lump in East Anglia, are in fact mud huts. Often the roof is thatch, either reed or straw.
68
22/03/2021 12:40:13 9 0
bbc
Too many opportunities for the money to be syphoned off into the pockets of Tory donors methinks.
59
22/03/2021 12:29:31 21 6
bbc
Sadly it's just one botch in a long line of botches by this government.
69
22/03/2021 12:40:51 14 2
bbc
While I understand the need to blindly attack a party you disagree with in generality, the fact is these things get done badly by all parties. The type of person that gets handed a place as a MP are largely 'clever' idiots. Not helped much by state civil servants who ought to be the professionals. They are playing politics, personal advantage, mates advantage, especially in building, planning.
163
22/03/2021 15:06:52 2 1
bbc
This nation is literally becoming the opposite of a Meritocracy. It appears to be the general trend that the worse you perform, the more rewarded you become. Pure definition of a Kakistocracy/Kleptocracy.

History shows that nations and civilizations that do not or lessen their adherence to the principles of Meritocracy, are the ones that decline and fade away into obscurity.
59
22/03/2021 12:29:31 21 6
bbc
Sadly it's just one botch in a long line of botches by this government.
70
22/03/2021 12:42:32 3 3
bbc
Ah but don't forget they will still claim credit for the NHS delivering a successful vaccination rollout (despite having spent 10 years cutting NHS funding - yes they have Tory bots see: https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in)
While glossing over Test and Trace headed up by the wife of a Tory MP via Serco...
71
22/03/2021 12:43:38 8 0
bbc
Houses need to breath.
The government grants have done more harm than good but they have lined the pockets of a few of the ministers and advisors freinds
72
22/03/2021 12:43:55 3 2
bbc
It's hard to beleive this govt would botch anything.

Perhaps Dido Harding should be put in charge of unbotching it.
29
22/03/2021 12:05:34 2 5
bbc
The 2017 means that only certain development is now automatic. Building regs still have to be followed regardless.
73
22/03/2021 12:44:02 13 1
bbc
Except that levels of compliance with the regs are low - local authorities don't have enough building inspectors to check, and once the plasterboard's in place, no one can see what horrors it conceals!
136
22/03/2021 13:52:57 1 8
bbc
I surprised that you can see the issues through all the tin-foil head gear you have obviously invested in.

Yes some builders are bad, that not the majority. But if you dont want to pay for a professional builder then what do you expect?
52
22/03/2021 12:25:26 83 0
bbc
Our oil boiler is <20yrs old, serviced regularly and has easily got another 10yrs+ left.

We don't qualify for the grants (according to Eaga etc.) so why would I spend £15k to £20k switching to a green system with all the building modifications needed to accommodate.

Strikes me that if you want to be green you either have to be:

(a) on state benefits to qualify, or
(b) rich

We're neither!
74
22/03/2021 12:44:48 41 1
bbc
Exactly. Bad political attitudes.
If money is to be given to achieve a purpose then the money should go only based on the purpose not the person. Oldest worst insulated no cavity wall, or oldest boilers etc.
50
22/03/2021 12:22:53 5 3
bbc
Another day, another committee of backbench MPs publishes a report criticising the Government which will be ignored.

Keeps them busy I suppose.
75
22/03/2021 12:45:42 5 1
bbc
Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories, they are practised in ignoring bad press for the Tories.
Meanwhile they will be very busy digging up, or making up smear stories aimed at those who stand against them.

We don't have a free press in the UK, just a Tory propaganda machine.
86
22/03/2021 12:56:24 1 1
bbc
"Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories"
Well that shows your true colors if you think that the Mirror Group, Guardian Group, Morning Star are all working for the Tories.??

Of course you could try and read the Indi or I which is more balanced as they dont really support any party.
96
22/03/2021 13:05:09 0 0
bbc
Absolutely correct - how many houses were built when the Tories announced their flagship housebuilding garbage - none - with almost no publicity.
But a stop on stamp duty is "good" because buy to let developers can save a fortune and rent out even more houses to the poor.
Guess how many Tory MP's are also landlords and developers?
Snouts in the trough for them and their rich mates again..
76
22/03/2021 12:46:15 1 2
bbc
Do people really care if their house has floor, wall and two layers of loft insulation? We don't exactly live in the Arctic. I don't have half of those things and my house is a constant 18 degrees all year, and costs very little to heat with a modern boiler.
84
22/03/2021 12:52:35 4 1
bbc
My home never gets remotely close to 18 degrees! Unless it is outside. I think that is the bigger cause of energy waste. People heat their homes ridiculously hot in the cooler months. 8-10 degrees like today is plenty hot enough at any time. My heating is only used when it gets below 5 ish there just is nothing much of any 'saving' in energy to make with more insulation.
90
22/03/2021 12:59:23 2 0
bbc
They do if their house is made of different building materials to yours in where insulation is not as good, especially during the Winter months.

It is also a more noticeable problem when you get older as your metabolism slows and generates less heat.

Also a problem with heating costs if you are living in poverty.

You seem to be fortunate if you don't have a problem.
112
22/03/2021 13:23:22 2 0
bbc
I somewhat agree with you regarding the climate comment. I think your heating bills are probably good because you don't overheat your house. The design temperature for a living room is 21C . Bonkers!! Let's all buy thicker jumpers.
66
22/03/2021 12:32:47 3 16
bbc
Metropolitan, middle-class liberal tripe!
77
22/03/2021 12:46:30 5 0
bbc
Tory right wing propaganda trolling...
110
22/03/2021 13:20:51 1 1
bbc
paranoid disorder
78
22/03/2021 12:48:27 1 1
bbc
What they aren't telling you is, they are looking to implement an extremely complicated Pas 2030: 2019 / 2035 standard by the 30/06/2021, which is going to have an impact of over a 100% increase in costs and installers not taking up the required certification.
79
22/03/2021 12:48:50 24 4
bbc
MP's have once again just caught up with something the rest of us already knew.

This government has no real interest in 'green' programmes, it's all part of their spin to try to attract voters beyond their their usual hanging and flogging constituents.
117
22/03/2021 13:28:41 3 20
bbc
I wish I was as civilised, enlightened and morally superior as you. It must very frustrating for you to have to live in a society that constantly votes the wrong way. Decisions should be made by the chosen elite, shouldn't they? Much better than democracy, as the Chinese know.
30
22/03/2021 12:06:57 27 0
bbc
Cavity Wall ??

Horror stories from people that have had it done, how qualified are the people that perform the survey. In principle it should be a great idea.
80
22/03/2021 12:49:58 7 12
bbc
Had it installed in the last 3 homes I've owned, no problems in any of them.

What horror stories? All I'm hearing are scare stories never heard a single complain from anyone who's had it done.
119
22/03/2021 13:29:12 3 0
bbc
If you get idiots doing it @ point of survey your in big trouble.

It was not uncommon for builders to dump material in between wall cavities' during house construction. Put insulation in on top of this and your in possible trouble.
253
22/03/2021 21:29:16 1 0
bbc
You may have struck lucky. On websites of providers it is common to see 'removal' of cavity wall insulation as a service. There are issues with 1) Water logging due to 'Driven rain' 2) Cold spots (which then lead to damp/mould) associated with wall ties and/or builders rubble. I live in Kendal, Cumbria; some folk here are in need of removal of CWI.
263
22/03/2021 21:48:48 1 0
bbc
well i complain had my mums house insulated ++,terreble damp afterwards , new boiler had to be replaced after 3 years not a great record and before you start this whas in tony blairs years
i was glad to get shut when she died
81
22/03/2021 12:50:41 8 1
bbc
Regarding Insulation of older properties, i have lost count off how many properties i have came across with major condensation problems after ill fitted cavity and loft insulating has been carried out and dont even ask how many with dampness, cavity walls are there for a reason before any of you even think about upgrading do some homework and ask a prof builder for some advice
95
22/03/2021 13:04:04 5 0
bbc
DO NOT use Rockwool in cavities unless the extern is 100% waterproof - I have yet to find a cavity that is. Use insulation beading that is glued not loose.

There is not enough emphasis on the NEED for vapour proofs which MUST be placed on the inside of any insulation and the need to ensure all joints of insulation are glued, filled T&G jointed and taped.
24
22/03/2021 11:58:33 28 2
bbc
The realities of real life do seem to differ from the fantasies of politician's don't you find ?
82
22/03/2021 12:52:09 18 12
bbc
Especially the fantasy pushed by the ERG Tories, fantasists who push far right climate change denial and xenophobic hate most of them.
88
22/03/2021 12:59:01 5 1
bbc
Absolute toads- party within a party within a party within a party

Trickle up merchants all for the 1%
121
22/03/2021 13:31:14 5 6
bbc
Yes, we should have voted for Corbyn and his policies, so fair and equal, especially to Jewish people, and so economically successful.
335
23/03/2021 13:26:03 1 0
bbc
but they don't do they? Not one far right politician in parliament (look up 'far right') and certainly no climate deniers making the headlines at the moment.

Perhaps you need to get out of that social media echo chamber and into the real world.
83
22/03/2021 12:52:27 11 4
bbc
No surprises here. Everything the current Tory Government touches is "botched", or worse.
104
22/03/2021 13:15:58 4 1
bbc
Yes '... no plan ... no details on delivery' sums this government up perfectly.
123
22/03/2021 13:32:12 0 1
bbc
No surprises in your comment. Everything you write is boring, prejudiced, or worse.
76
22/03/2021 12:46:15 1 2
bbc
Do people really care if their house has floor, wall and two layers of loft insulation? We don't exactly live in the Arctic. I don't have half of those things and my house is a constant 18 degrees all year, and costs very little to heat with a modern boiler.
84
22/03/2021 12:52:35 4 1
bbc
My home never gets remotely close to 18 degrees! Unless it is outside. I think that is the bigger cause of energy waste. People heat their homes ridiculously hot in the cooler months. 8-10 degrees like today is plenty hot enough at any time. My heating is only used when it gets below 5 ish there just is nothing much of any 'saving' in energy to make with more insulation.
85
22/03/2021 12:52:33 7 0
bbc
I applied for the grant late in 2019 and we are still trying to get it finalised. We have chased multiple times and they keep asking for the same info. So frustrating!
75
22/03/2021 12:45:42 5 1
bbc
Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories, they are practised in ignoring bad press for the Tories.
Meanwhile they will be very busy digging up, or making up smear stories aimed at those who stand against them.

We don't have a free press in the UK, just a Tory propaganda machine.
86
22/03/2021 12:56:24 1 1
bbc
"Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories"
Well that shows your true colors if you think that the Mirror Group, Guardian Group, Morning Star are all working for the Tories.??

Of course you could try and read the Indi or I which is more balanced as they dont really support any party.
31
22/03/2021 12:07:15 1 6
bbc
Have you proof of this? As if you can name those who have profiteered then no doubt the news papers would pay for your facts!
87
22/03/2021 12:57:52 4 2
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The newspapers are not interested in facts that show the Tories have had their hands in the till.
If they had been then we would have been bombarded with the details of how the government gave the job of defining the standards for cladding to the same people who manufactured the cladding that burned on Grenfell, and who were major donors to the Tory party. (That is all documented fact)
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22/03/2021 13:50:00 1 4
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As pointed out to you the media is not all pre-Tories (thankfully).

So do you think that the Guardian is pro-Tory, how about the Morning Star?
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22/03/2021 12:52:09 18 12
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Especially the fantasy pushed by the ERG Tories, fantasists who push far right climate change denial and xenophobic hate most of them.
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22/03/2021 12:59:01 5 1
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Absolute toads- party within a party within a party within a party

Trickle up merchants all for the 1%
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22/03/2021 12:28:25 2 0
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Well given we are moving to home working had they handed money to insulate offices they would be being torn down in the coming years! Really businesses can make their own decisions on the return on insulating their buildings.
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22/03/2021 12:59:17 1 0
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Issue is that offices tend to be uninhabited during the coldest part of the day, plus the heat from all the computers will quickly cause issues.

Super insulate an office and then you will have more air-con.

The old converted listed building to an office is problematic on so many fronts.
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22/03/2021 12:46:15 1 2
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Do people really care if their house has floor, wall and two layers of loft insulation? We don't exactly live in the Arctic. I don't have half of those things and my house is a constant 18 degrees all year, and costs very little to heat with a modern boiler.
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22/03/2021 12:59:23 2 0
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They do if their house is made of different building materials to yours in where insulation is not as good, especially during the Winter months.

It is also a more noticeable problem when you get older as your metabolism slows and generates less heat.

Also a problem with heating costs if you are living in poverty.

You seem to be fortunate if you don't have a problem.
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22/03/2021 12:58:07 28 5
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Give it to Dido and at least some lucky chums will get £37 billion
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22/03/2021 13:23:48 9 28
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Irrelevant, just a contrived knee-jerk anti-Conservative comment.
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22/03/2021 11:53:45 5 5
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I guess we could use the grant to install flammable wall cladding....
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22/03/2021 13:02:29 6 5
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That the flammable cladding that the Tories got their pals who owned the company making the flammable cladding to write the specs for UK standards on?
Standards they still failed to reach for the cladding on Grenfell, so they 'fudged' the testing on, resulting in the deaths of all those people, but not one of those involved in the dodgy dealings going to jail over...

That flammable cladding?
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22/03/2021 13:45:57 5 2
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Cladding is one of the least flammable items in a house, even if it were in a hoouse. There's wood floors, and beams, wallpaper, paint, furniture, carpets, and clothing.
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22/03/2021 21:31:03 0 0
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Wrong.
The minutes of K&C Council and the housing owner showed that the original specifications were good but because money could be saved with a cheaper(lower spec material) Grenfell got lower spec/price materials.
Nothing wrong with Grenfell cladding if used in the right way: just not on buildings over 30m high.
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22/03/2021 13:02:42 7 2
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Make it worthwhile to save money on your bills. Tax gas and other heating oils etc. Very hard. The more it costs to overheat your home with fossil fuels the more likely you are to insulate your own home or turn the heating down. These schemes are just made up to enable gross overcharging by mates in the building businesses. Along with the pointless 'consultants' doing 'surveys'.
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22/03/2021 12:28:40 9 0
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Builders and tradesmen looking to rip you off, there's a new one.
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22/03/2021 13:03:41 6 5
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Tories enabling their cronies in the ripping off of the consumer, no change there either...
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22/03/2021 12:50:41 8 1
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Regarding Insulation of older properties, i have lost count off how many properties i have came across with major condensation problems after ill fitted cavity and loft insulating has been carried out and dont even ask how many with dampness, cavity walls are there for a reason before any of you even think about upgrading do some homework and ask a prof builder for some advice
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22/03/2021 13:04:04 5 0
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DO NOT use Rockwool in cavities unless the extern is 100% waterproof - I have yet to find a cavity that is. Use insulation beading that is glued not loose.

There is not enough emphasis on the NEED for vapour proofs which MUST be placed on the inside of any insulation and the need to ensure all joints of insulation are glued, filled T&G jointed and taped.
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22/03/2021 12:45:42 5 1
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Of course the report will be ignored, the press is owned and run by the Tories, they are practised in ignoring bad press for the Tories.
Meanwhile they will be very busy digging up, or making up smear stories aimed at those who stand against them.

We don't have a free press in the UK, just a Tory propaganda machine.
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22/03/2021 13:05:09 0 0
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Absolutely correct - how many houses were built when the Tories announced their flagship housebuilding garbage - none - with almost no publicity.
But a stop on stamp duty is "good" because buy to let developers can save a fortune and rent out even more houses to the poor.
Guess how many Tory MP's are also landlords and developers?
Snouts in the trough for them and their rich mates again..
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22/03/2021 13:06:50 6 2
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All this lack of detailing is due to BORIS - he is only interested in headlines and has no interest in detail, he has no idea of how to plan.
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22/03/2021 13:12:44 6 2
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Sadly most of his supporters are the same & rarely read past the headline!??
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22/03/2021 13:54:10 1 0
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You think the PM should read hundreds of books on heat flow, thermodynamics, chemistry, building regulations, materials safety and reliability and then write out several hundred pages on the regulations?
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22/03/2021 13:07:21 11 0
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Another good idea not thought through.
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22/03/2021 12:08:43 3 4
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Very rich coming from someone who denies the existence of Anthropogenic Climate Change. Your opinion has no value because of that.

Evidence for passers by:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56287005#comp-comments-button
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22/03/2021 13:08:30 0 0
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I did notice that you didnt answer which IPCC forecast that you believe in. Going to have another go....

If you believe in the worst case then the UKGov needs to get its act together.
However, you still need to consider the total energy vs long term energy saving for a home owner.

Its called balance..

ps: I believe & have stated that AGW is 100% man made. qv tautology
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22/03/2021 12:16:45 45 24
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Just further proof of Tory overpromising and underdelivering.

Yet many still tunnel vision and cherry pick the vaccine programme as a sign that they are competent (When it had little to do with them in the first place).

Everywhere else in society we are moving backwards.
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22/03/2021 13:09:08 5 3
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The vaccination programme is being delivered by what is left of the NHS after 10 years of ideologically driven Tory cuts (https://www.health.org.uk/news-and-comment/charts-and-infographics/health-spending-as-a-share-of-gdp-remains-at-lowest-level-in)

Compare that to the privately delivered Serco Test and Trace system headed up by the wife of a Tory MP...
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22/03/2021 13:20:08 5 1
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The NHS are just putting in to your arms, the organisation is done outside it. Deep down most of us have come to realise that you can throw more money at the NHS and it will just soak it up and come back for more. We need an NHS that supports the public as well as the people who work within it.