Liberty Steel: Government must step in to save steel jobs, says Ed Miliband
18/03/2021 | news | business | 676
The shadow business secretary tells the BBC the company is too vital for the UK to collapse.
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18/03/2021 11:05:48 11 16
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Miliband is a a failed ex-leader of a failed Labour party.

He would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/03/2021 11:09:08 5 6
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I think he has a point here. Ironic that it is the Conservative party who help out the people who labour. And the Labour party that just insult them.
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18/03/2021 11:16:54 1 5
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Or eating a bacon sandwich......
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18/03/2021 11:35:37 5 2
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Johnson's a failed ex-leader of a failed Brexit Tory party, just a matter of time!
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18/03/2021 11:05:56 6 7
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Neither labour nor tory govts have shown much interest in manufacturing for decades. it's incompatible with various commitments to drive down our carbon footprint, which is why we have other countries do it for us, then blame them for global warming.

Even if it was a sincere suggestions from Milliband, it doesn't help the ERG so why would Johnson do anything?
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18/03/2021 11:07:45 207 56
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The irony and hypocrisy from Milliband and Labour.

He has been all over the media for weeks campaigning against the planning consent for a coking coal mine in Cumbria, which would have benefitted the UK steel industry. This after spending years opposing the closure of a coal mine in his own constituency.

Now steel production is so vital to the UK, we should consider nationalising it.
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18/03/2021 11:15:07 51 136
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Our Gov does not give one jot about the most important issue - rising planetary temps. People really need to start waking up to the possibility we are on the brink of losing stored methane reserves that if released, turn us into Venus and end all life.

Having targets and then doing the opposite is absurd - relief in electric car purchases stopped today yet money available for more nukes.

Insane.
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18/03/2021 11:23:09 22 13
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Yes, but Millibland didn't know the price of a loaf of bread when asked, so how is he going to understand the complexities of business, or his own hypocrisy.
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18/03/2021 11:25:15 10 22
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There's plenty of supply globally of coking coal and you want to increase that with a mine that will have to export 85-90% of production.
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18/03/2021 12:01:55 15 6
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Do you like being cold?

What fuels do you think we're going to burn to build the 'green' stuff?

How much power and material will 'green' stuff use?

You're being played by the crazy left wing control-freaks.

You and they appear to want to tear down all that's good about your country. You can't type on your keyboard without all the stuff you want to stop.
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18/03/2021 12:36:43 3 0
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Count the pits and steel works reopened during their last term in office.
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18/03/2021 12:38:49 6 5
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"Now steel production is so vital to the UK, we should consider nationalising it."

Why, because the moment it's nationalised they'll go on strike and we're back to square one.
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18/03/2021 12:49:37 5 2
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Isn't it the Government that's called in the coke mine planning application?

Hypocrisy indeed.
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18/03/2021 16:06:42 3 2
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It wasn't long ago that the far-right were telling us how vital British steel was and that we shouldn't be dependent on China, but along come Labour and the far-right hypocritically change their tune!
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18/03/2021 16:57:57 2 1
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Absolutely agree. Vital that the new Cumbrian coking coal mine goes ahead to secure vital raw materials for our steel industry, reduce dependency on imports of coking coal provide over 500 well paid manual jobs and surplus product to be exported to Germany. A quadruple win. Hopefully when the Glasgow environmental conference is over the mine can be approved.
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18/03/2021 19:45:26 2 0
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Nonsense. 85% of the coal from the mine in Cumbria is due to be exported:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56023895
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18/03/2021 19:50:50 2 1
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"He has been all over the media for weeks campaigning against the planning consent for a coking coal mine in Cumbria, which would have benefitted the UK steel industry."

Except, they won't use it, too high sulphur content.
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18/03/2021 20:31:07 0 3
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Can’t expect Milliband to understand that coal is needed to make steel. He probably thinks you can make it from hot air. Which is what he spouts most of the time
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18/03/2021 21:17:29 3 0
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The coke could be easily imported. Instead we are opening up a coal mine where 85% of the coal will be exported. Overall there will be more carbon emissions.
Incidentally the Conservatives closed mines producing very high quality coking coal. They haven't a clue.
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18/03/2021 21:26:57 0 3
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Basically this man was an idiot and still is... absolutely no grasp of the real world... to make steel you need coking coal... where to get it from?... outside UK? No control on environmental issues or in Cumbria under strict control.
You cannot have it both ways! There you have it idiot confirmed!!!
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19/03/2021 07:17:13 1 0
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Seems they are not the only ones having difficulty with the mine.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-56364306
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19/03/2021 10:25:28 0 0
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Milliband has a point relevant to everyone in the present crisis.
If you don’t make it you cannot be sure you can have it.
We are seeing this with vaccines. India and the US can turn the tap off on the UK because we rely on imports.
When the UK has it’s most serious balance of payments ever half of every £ printed to keep the UK solvent goes abroad. So we borrow more.
We have got to make it here
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18/03/2021 11:08:48 3 7
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Back to the 1970s then.
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18/03/2021 11:14:14 5 1
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That's where most Tory's seem to be.
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18/03/2021 11:13:31 1 0
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For the good of our strategic industry..........yes
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18/03/2021 11:31:12 1 0
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I love the 1970s
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MVP
18/03/2021 11:09:08 28 8
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There are thousands more jobs at stake in the supply chain too.

The government bailed out the banks in 2008 and they owe it to the steel workers to do the same.
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18/03/2021 11:19:08 18 11
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Yes, but none of their mates work in the steelworks.
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18/03/2021 11:21:46 6 3
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Stoke already went Tory, despite the deprivation it's suffered over the past decade.

The useful idiots of the Potteries have served their purpose.

Imagine thinking they suddenly started caring about you?
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18/03/2021 11:31:39 7 1
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If major banks had folded the impact on the economy would have been massive think great depression on steriods. It's not a like for like comparison.
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18/03/2021 12:03:18 5 1
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They baled all of us people and companies that had banks accounts out - that's what they did.
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18/03/2021 12:43:44 3 0
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How many banks pay into Tory party funds?
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18/03/2021 11:09:32 9 8
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Unfortunately the government only invests in slogans, not actual industries.
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18/03/2021 11:29:20 2 2
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If only we could export slogans we would have a world beating export industry...
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18/03/2021 11:10:49 134 36
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We do need a comprehensive and integrated industrial policy and steel manufacturing is an important component.

So Labour wants to save jobs in Rotherham, Motherwell and Newport, but doesn't want to create jobs in a coking coal mine in Cumbria.

Integrated thinking????
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18/03/2021 12:15:58 104 37
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The only thing Labour care about is how to attack the government, irrespective of whether this makes them look like hypocrites or just foolish.

Everything they do is opposition for opposition's sake. Look at the new crime bill for example.
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18/03/2021 12:17:03 8 17
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THE MINE IS PROBABLT TORY OWNED AND DESTROYING THE OTHER MINES AS THATCHER DID SUITS THEM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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18/03/2021 12:50:50 11 3
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Isn't it the Government that's called in the coking mine planning application?

So perhaps they also "don't want to create jobs in Cumbria"?
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18/03/2021 12:54:24 5 3
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“Coking coal mine in Cumbria” How does the government square this:

The committee points out that 85% of the Cumbrian coal WILL BE EXPORTED.. ..every extra tonne of coal on the world market will tend to drive down the cost and drive up emissions.
In November UK is holding a mission-critical climate summit (COP26) and some members fear the mine row will undermine the prime minister's leadership??
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18/03/2021 16:59:41 1 3
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But then Ed Miliband knows next to nothing about industry. Politician all his adult life.
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19/03/2021 15:15:09 0 0
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Labour claim to support industry but they don't support contributing to a massive future crisis and reversing all the work this country has done to move to renewable energy. This must be doublethink, I can't think of any way those two positions could be compatible.
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18/03/2021 11:10:57 71 14
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Complete nationalisation is not a good idea.

But the Government should help key industries become as competitive as possible.

Tax breaks.

Top quality apprenticeships and education.

Encouraging innovation and world class technology.

There are other ways of doing it besides going back to the 1970's.
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18/03/2021 11:17:25 42 10
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Ah some common sense!
Agree 100%
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18/03/2021 11:14:58 5 7
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Are you a Tory politician?
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18/03/2021 12:27:52 4 6
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you forgot about getting your tory mates to run the companies, then slip them some massively overpriced contracts
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18/03/2021 13:00:05 1 3
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They have had all the tax breaks in the world. All it meant was bigger bonuses and more loans for higher dividends.
Apprentices they just took the mickey (and still are) out of the Apprenticeship Grant Scheme - Apprentice Title in front of every job title to claim.
Don't want to train cheaper to hire subsidised through In Work Benefits imported labour.
Send it to China.
Its why we are here now.
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18/03/2021 13:06:56 3 2
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You could argue that complete privatisation does not work
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18/03/2021 14:43:39 2 1
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but then people would complain when these subsidised businesses made a profit.
Labour's "industrial strategy" of nationalisation and subsidy was epitomised by Nottingham Council who set up Robin Hood Energy. It proved politicians and civil servants should NEVER be allowed to run a business. Robin Hood lost £38-40million on behalf of the good people of Nottingham.
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18/03/2021 19:21:17 0 0
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They were prevented from doing anything like that due to EU regulation that might give a member state a competitive advantage.
Now at least one would hope we can do something however I think this is still going to be a major stumbling block.
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18/03/2021 21:30:37 1 0
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Tax breaks? Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Aren't companies not paying their fair share anathema?
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18/03/2021 11:13:03 3 4
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I expect that there will be the usual hysteria from Tory supporters (someone has to be one, I suppose) but perhaps if government did try to aid company's particularly manufacturing ones the country might be able to build something again.
If no support comes then this will be yet another lost industry.
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18/03/2021 12:19:45 0 3
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One steelworks doth not make an industry.
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18/03/2021 11:13:04 24 7
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I am not a Labour supporter but I think Miliband is right on this. Now we are no longer tied by EU state aid rules, our government should help out struggling but strategically important industries, like steel. We also need to invest more in high-value manufacturing, such as turbine blades, and the government should initially subsidise some of this. Manufacturing is a good sustainer of jobs.
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18/03/2021 11:17:58 18 13
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Then why does he oppose a UK coking coal mine to supply such a strategically important industry?
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18/03/2021 12:45:28 6 0
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Nothing about EU rules stopped us. All leaving the EU has done is removed the convenient scape goat.
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18/03/2021 12:46:12 2 0
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"Now we are no longer tied by EU state aid rules"... are you kidding lol. As soon as the UK government implements subsidies that the EU feels damages their industries (or even not), they will hit the UK with huge tariffs on everything and similar countervailing duties on Steel. - If the industry made money then it wouldn't be struggling now. - Not using my money to line the pockets of others.
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18/03/2021 12:23:41 2 0
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SO ARE YOU NOW TORY ????????????????????????
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18/03/2021 15:44:27 1 0
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Aviation turbine blades aren't made from raw steel and wind turbine blades are composite.
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18/03/2021 19:55:47 4 0
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"Now we are no longer tied by EU state aid rules"

State aid rules are now more restrictive than they ever were in the EU due to the Japan deal recently signed.
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18/03/2021 11:13:15 85 17
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Why doesn't Ed Milliband go and see the Welsh Labour Government and get this sorted in Wales to secure the Welsh steel Jobs?

Welsh Jobs, Welsh Steel and both Ed Milliband and the Welsh Government are Labour.
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18/03/2021 11:26:08 36 11
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Correct!!!
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18/03/2021 11:59:10 10 5
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Labour are very good at not practicing what they preach, and hoping nobody notices.
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18/03/2021 12:53:08 6 2
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Because it isn't devolved to the Welsh government
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18/03/2021 16:09:53 2 2
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Perhaps they don't want an uber-smooth Metropolitan Marxist geek wafting in and telling them how to do things? Especially with the utter Horlicks he made of running the Labour Party.
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19/03/2021 01:19:10 2 1
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Because the Welsh Government doesn't have the capacity to decide if the steel industry is nationalised. The UK government does.

Honestly reading this comments section is very depressing, people making ridiculous comments that they know full well are nonsense, but making them in pretend good faith.

Our country has declined so far under this government I never thought it possible
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19/03/2021 11:04:07 0 0
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Please no we already got Gordon Brown helping out we don't need another ex leader here. You are lucky not to have had a Welsh Government run by Labour for the last 22 years & counting. If you want to see how bad a UK Labour government would be come to Wales. Boris is a fool but Labour is a bigger fool.
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18/03/2021 11:08:48 3 7
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Back to the 1970s then.
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18/03/2021 11:14:14 5 1
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That's where most Tory's seem to be.
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18/03/2021 11:04:57 4 4
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The current government might just do that, would fit in with their supporting British industry policy. They seem to have gone quietly about taking much of the railways back into state management. I wish they'd nationalise water too, Affinity are complete rubbish!
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18/03/2021 11:21:17 3 0
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government supporting British industry policy? what day was that everyone in the country must have been off that day.
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18/03/2021 11:07:45 207 56
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The irony and hypocrisy from Milliband and Labour.

He has been all over the media for weeks campaigning against the planning consent for a coking coal mine in Cumbria, which would have benefitted the UK steel industry. This after spending years opposing the closure of a coal mine in his own constituency.

Now steel production is so vital to the UK, we should consider nationalising it.
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18/03/2021 11:15:07 51 136
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Our Gov does not give one jot about the most important issue - rising planetary temps. People really need to start waking up to the possibility we are on the brink of losing stored methane reserves that if released, turn us into Venus and end all life.

Having targets and then doing the opposite is absurd - relief in electric car purchases stopped today yet money available for more nukes.

Insane.
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18/03/2021 11:30:24 26 6
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You have ignored the main point that this coking coal will be mined elsewhere on the planet even if we virtue signal over our own mine. It will therefore make no difference to the Earth’s temperature.
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18/03/2021 12:18:50 6 2
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Thanks for that Leroy, cheered me up no end!
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18/03/2021 13:32:51 5 3
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I'm sure Astra Zeneca will come up with a solution for your expulsion of excess gas. Might be in suppository form mind. Or try some meditation to calm the mind, you seem a tad stressed. You last word, 'insane'. I will reserve judgement to ensure I don't get moderated.
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18/03/2021 14:04:17 1 0
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I do not think folk are ignorant to this existential threat. What seems to be the problem is imagining what life will become. Give us a vision that we can aim at and we stand a chance. At present we seem to want to make nice noises but continue on our merry road to extinction anyway
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18/03/2021 14:40:09 2 1
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Electric cars are not environmentally friendly given all the energy needed to mine/refine minerals (from mines and process plants controlled by China) and make batteries that decay in performance terms significantly and are harmful and expensive to dispose of.
Government should be pushing hydrogen fuel cell vehicles
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18/03/2021 15:45:05 1 1
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you still think an electric car is the way to go.. you do realise getting the lithium for the batteries kills people and pollutes the planet . plus the wind farms if the covered the whole of the uk will never give enough elec for all the cars
If you are into science publications you will see the way forward is hydrogen a bit easier to produce and its cheaper and gives of oxygen when produced
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18/03/2021 16:20:29 1 0
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Preventing the mining of coking coal in Cumbria will do nothing to tackle climate change - quite the opposite in fact. The amount of steel needed won't change but now we'll have to import even more of the raw ingredients from half way around the world, where it will have been mined in countries with far laxer controls on pollution.
As usual, faux-greens just want to offshore our carbon footprint.
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18/03/2021 17:10:12 1 0
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Why do you want to subsides rich people to buy new cars?
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18/03/2021 18:35:00 0 0
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Battery cars are not a fix. Fuel from air technologies are. Take co2 from the air to make fuel and you can power today's cars, lorries,buses, planes, power stations and even make steel without the environmental cost of replacing everything
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SJ
18/03/2021 23:48:18 1 0
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Leroy, you are right, but sadly are being downvoted by uneducated fools. But remember, that doesn't make you wrong.
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19/03/2021 07:16:43 1 0
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Christ Leroy, you have the majority thumbing against your truth.
There lies the problem, the majority have their heads in the sand. They most likely are the ones that throw rubbish out their vehicle windows.
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18/03/2021 11:15:10 4 6
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Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions (such as incentivising the use of steel produced in Britian on large projects) we get the Labour response of throw tax payer money at it.

the 1970's are long gone and if Labour ever want to govern again they need to change tact
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18/03/2021 11:20:37 3 0
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How much Tax payer money is spent subsidising uneconomic Farmers?
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18/03/2021 11:26:41 3 1
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But 1970 is where most Tory voters inhabit, stuck in their own time warp. Usual Tory stance watch the industry sink, cry why don't we make anything anymore and blow their nose on the union jack.
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18/03/2021 11:27:22 2 0
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Is that worse than just leaving it to struggle and die and blaming it on market forces?
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18/03/2021 11:05:48 11 16
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Miliband is a a failed ex-leader of a failed Labour party.

He would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/03/2021 11:09:08 5 6
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I think he has a point here. Ironic that it is the Conservative party who help out the people who labour. And the Labour party that just insult them.
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18/03/2021 11:05:48 11 16
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Miliband is a a failed ex-leader of a failed Labour party.

He would be out of his depth in a puddle.
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18/03/2021 11:16:54 1 5
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Or eating a bacon sandwich......
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18/03/2021 11:10:57 71 14
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Complete nationalisation is not a good idea.

But the Government should help key industries become as competitive as possible.

Tax breaks.

Top quality apprenticeships and education.

Encouraging innovation and world class technology.

There are other ways of doing it besides going back to the 1970's.
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18/03/2021 11:17:25 42 10
bbc
Ah some common sense!
Agree 100%
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18/03/2021 11:13:04 24 7
bbc
I am not a Labour supporter but I think Miliband is right on this. Now we are no longer tied by EU state aid rules, our government should help out struggling but strategically important industries, like steel. We also need to invest more in high-value manufacturing, such as turbine blades, and the government should initially subsidise some of this. Manufacturing is a good sustainer of jobs.
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18/03/2021 11:17:58 18 13
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Then why does he oppose a UK coking coal mine to supply such a strategically important industry?
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18/03/2021 12:49:25 5 0
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Because Coke is only used when smelting ore.
Most British mills run on scrap.
No link here.
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18/03/2021 17:45:20 1 0
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According to the Daily Telegraph, British Steel doubts it can use the high-sulphur coal from the proposed mine in Cumbria. Looks more likely the coal output will be burnt abroad, so it adds to somewhere else's contributionto global pollution.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/environment/2021/03/01/case-cumbrian-mine-undermined-doubt-uk-market-coking-coal/
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MVP
18/03/2021 11:09:08 28 8
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There are thousands more jobs at stake in the supply chain too.

The government bailed out the banks in 2008 and they owe it to the steel workers to do the same.
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18/03/2021 11:19:08 18 11
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Yes, but none of their mates work in the steelworks.
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18/03/2021 11:19:27 4 2
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Its against Tory Party idealogy to save Steel Jobs, unless they can get China to pay and earn Brownie Points in a Labour Constituency.
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18/03/2021 11:15:10 4 6
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Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions (such as incentivising the use of steel produced in Britian on large projects) we get the Labour response of throw tax payer money at it.

the 1970's are long gone and if Labour ever want to govern again they need to change tact
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18/03/2021 11:20:37 3 0
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How much Tax payer money is spent subsidising uneconomic Farmers?
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18/03/2021 12:19:01 0 0
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Yes, we should stop that as well - phase out all farming subsidies over a ten year period to give them time to adjust.
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18/03/2021 17:59:00 0 0
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You have to eat, no complaints on this one.
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18/03/2021 11:20:45 36 3
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We need the ability to produce Steel in the UK. Once China has driven competitors out of the market it will hike prices again. We need to be independent should the supply of steel become scarce for various reasons.
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18/03/2021 11:30:28 16 0
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This sounds sensible; is there a report that calls out the impact of not having any significant UK based steel production?
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18/03/2021 19:23:02 0 0
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They pretty much already have. There needed steel about 10 years ago for all the construction so bought most of the production whilst they built their own plants. Now they have capacity, lots of capacity and can do it cheaper than anyone else.
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18/03/2021 11:21:02 104 30
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Labour are all over the place. Want to support steel jobs, but anti the new coke- producing mine that would provide the raw materials to support this industry. They really do blow with the wind!
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18/03/2021 11:24:02 31 57
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So you would prefer another lost industry? stay on track, stop deflecting and watch the clowns let the steel industry sink. Then cry why don't we make anything anymore.
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18/03/2021 11:24:54 7 4
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Liberty Steel produces products from scrap metal and does not operate any blast furnace so does not need any coke.
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18/03/2021 11:26:55 7 8
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No surprise from Miliband E. He is the joker who put a “green” surcharge on all of our power bills and subsequently argued that energy suppliers should have their charges capped.
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18/03/2021 16:13:16 4 1
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It wasn't long ago that the far-right were telling us how vital British steel was and that we shouldn't be dependent on China, but along come Labour and the far-right hypocritically change their tune!

It was the Government that ordered the review!
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SJ
18/03/2021 23:49:37 2 0
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Ths UK steel industry does not need the new coke mine, which is export oriented anyway.
But what would an engineer with steelworks experience like me know ?
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19/03/2021 11:05:44 0 0
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Labour and others want to support industry but are conscious of the need to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. This is a fine line to follow and opinions will differ. The issue should transcend party politics.
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19/03/2021 12:31:45 0 1
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I think it's interesting that Miliband is always the one that throws out the controversial ideas.
It's like he's agreed to be the crash test dummy for Starmer, if he survives Keir jumps in too.
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18/03/2021 11:04:57 4 4
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The current government might just do that, would fit in with their supporting British industry policy. They seem to have gone quietly about taking much of the railways back into state management. I wish they'd nationalise water too, Affinity are complete rubbish!
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18/03/2021 11:21:17 3 0
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government supporting British industry policy? what day was that everyone in the country must have been off that day.
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MVP
18/03/2021 11:09:08 28 8
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There are thousands more jobs at stake in the supply chain too.

The government bailed out the banks in 2008 and they owe it to the steel workers to do the same.
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18/03/2021 11:21:46 6 3
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Stoke already went Tory, despite the deprivation it's suffered over the past decade.

The useful idiots of the Potteries have served their purpose.

Imagine thinking they suddenly started caring about you?
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18/03/2021 12:37:56 2 2
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I'm not even from Stoke, but why is everybody who voted Tory/Brexit an 'idiot' rather than making an informed choice based on their circumstances or belief ? It is this superiority complex (often as a result of having a degree, I know I am now tarring you with a brush..) that turns a lot of people away from some of the politics and ideas that come from you. The world is grey, not black or white
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18/03/2021 12:40:22 2 1
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The past decade? What exactly did Labour do for the area? Other than call them racist for not following the line on Brexit? They went Tory because the years of Labour scorched Earth policy had come to roost.
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18/03/2021 11:22:32 0 3
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sure we are all going electric and what have you......we won't need as much steel....
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18/03/2021 11:07:45 207 56
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The irony and hypocrisy from Milliband and Labour.

He has been all over the media for weeks campaigning against the planning consent for a coking coal mine in Cumbria, which would have benefitted the UK steel industry. This after spending years opposing the closure of a coal mine in his own constituency.

Now steel production is so vital to the UK, we should consider nationalising it.
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18/03/2021 11:23:09 22 13
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Yes, but Millibland didn't know the price of a loaf of bread when asked, so how is he going to understand the complexities of business, or his own hypocrisy.
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18/03/2021 18:48:13 1 1
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I can think of a couple of Tories who another Tory spoke of when she said "two posh boys who don't know the cost of a pint of milk" now who's the hypocrite, mate???
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18/03/2021 11:23:39 1 5
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Miliband is a career politician. What expertise can he bring to the role of shadow business secretary? Ridiculous appointment.
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18/03/2021 11:26:20 2 1
bbc
He knows all about....

He's run a ......

He's worked ......

He has experience in......

oh, you're right.
66
18/03/2021 11:35:16 0 1
bbc
MBA in political process!
30
18/03/2021 11:23:59 3 1
bbc
More public funds thrown away to prop up private sector. It seems a common thing now. Are private companys ripping of the tax payer?
42
18/03/2021 11:28:00 5 1
bbc
Are private company's ripping of the tax payer? Only the one's who are completely useless and friends with Bozo.
24
18/03/2021 11:21:02 104 30
bbc
Labour are all over the place. Want to support steel jobs, but anti the new coke- producing mine that would provide the raw materials to support this industry. They really do blow with the wind!
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18/03/2021 11:24:02 31 57
bbc
So you would prefer another lost industry? stay on track, stop deflecting and watch the clowns let the steel industry sink. Then cry why don't we make anything anymore.
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18/03/2021 11:21:02 104 30
bbc
Labour are all over the place. Want to support steel jobs, but anti the new coke- producing mine that would provide the raw materials to support this industry. They really do blow with the wind!
32
18/03/2021 11:24:54 7 4
bbc
Liberty Steel produces products from scrap metal and does not operate any blast furnace so does not need any coke.
284
18/03/2021 14:20:07 1 4
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How does it recycle the steel without melting it?
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18/03/2021 11:07:45 207 56
bbc
The irony and hypocrisy from Milliband and Labour.

He has been all over the media for weeks campaigning against the planning consent for a coking coal mine in Cumbria, which would have benefitted the UK steel industry. This after spending years opposing the closure of a coal mine in his own constituency.

Now steel production is so vital to the UK, we should consider nationalising it.
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18/03/2021 11:25:15 10 22
bbc
There's plenty of supply globally of coking coal and you want to increase that with a mine that will have to export 85-90% of production.
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18/03/2021 11:56:22 24 3
bbc
That has to be shipped halfway across the world, increasing it's carbon footprint.

So it's OK to mine coking coal, as long as it's not in the UK.
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18/03/2021 13:38:33 6 3
bbc
You miss the point that all coking coal (irrespective of quality) is imported from the other side of the world at higher cost and environmental impact. Mining and processing it here reduces that considerably, plus UK quality coking coal has higher concentrations of carbon and it requires the steel industry to capture the carbon omissions, until cheaper alternative technology is forth coming.
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18/03/2021 11:08:48 3 7
bbc
Back to the 1970s then.
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18/03/2021 11:13:31 1 0
bbc
For the good of our strategic industry..........yes
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18/03/2021 11:10:57 71 14
bbc
Complete nationalisation is not a good idea.

But the Government should help key industries become as competitive as possible.

Tax breaks.

Top quality apprenticeships and education.

Encouraging innovation and world class technology.

There are other ways of doing it besides going back to the 1970's.
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18/03/2021 11:14:58 5 7
bbc
Are you a Tory politician?
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18/03/2021 11:16:21 1 3
bbc
Comment posted by Taffy O Jones, today at 11:13Taffy O Jones
11:13
I expect that there will be the usual hysteria from Tory supporters (someone has to be one, I suppose)

Yes there is.....an election winning number of Torie voters unless it had escaped your attention
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18/03/2021 11:29:18 2 1
bbc
Is that the 43%, you talking about?
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18/03/2021 11:30:50 0 0
bbc
Not in Scotland. PMH
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18/03/2021 11:25:58 13 1
bbc
The main focus is to look at a new 21th century workforce, education of our young people for high skilled, high paid technology economy.
I take no joy in saying this but how will our traditional industries compete with the emerging economies in the area of steel production? Unless there is continuous state aid and protectionism, something the emerging economies are better at.
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Pip
19/03/2021 09:00:10 2 0
bbc
Spot on Pippa, why aren't we looking at the use of new materials like Graphene first made at Manchester Uni, a material of the future, rather than looking back at the Industrial Revolution.

We need to be at the forefront of Enineering and the Sciences in all their various disciplines not competing with cheaper labour emerging economies..........?

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18/03/2021 11:13:15 85 17
bbc
Why doesn't Ed Milliband go and see the Welsh Labour Government and get this sorted in Wales to secure the Welsh steel Jobs?

Welsh Jobs, Welsh Steel and both Ed Milliband and the Welsh Government are Labour.
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18/03/2021 11:26:08 36 11
bbc
Correct!!!
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18/03/2021 11:15:10 4 6
bbc
Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions (such as incentivising the use of steel produced in Britian on large projects) we get the Labour response of throw tax payer money at it.

the 1970's are long gone and if Labour ever want to govern again they need to change tact
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18/03/2021 11:26:41 3 1
bbc
But 1970 is where most Tory voters inhabit, stuck in their own time warp. Usual Tory stance watch the industry sink, cry why don't we make anything anymore and blow their nose on the union jack.
24
18/03/2021 11:21:02 104 30
bbc
Labour are all over the place. Want to support steel jobs, but anti the new coke- producing mine that would provide the raw materials to support this industry. They really do blow with the wind!
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18/03/2021 11:26:55 7 8
bbc
No surprise from Miliband E. He is the joker who put a “green” surcharge on all of our power bills and subsequently argued that energy suppliers should have their charges capped.
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18/03/2021 13:11:55 4 1
bbc
When precisely did the Tories stop the retail energy price cap if it was that bad an idea.

Clue, it's still there and protects the old and vulnerable that have trouble switching providers.
15
18/03/2021 11:15:10 4 6
bbc
Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions (such as incentivising the use of steel produced in Britian on large projects) we get the Labour response of throw tax payer money at it.

the 1970's are long gone and if Labour ever want to govern again they need to change tact
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18/03/2021 11:27:22 2 0
bbc
Is that worse than just leaving it to struggle and die and blaming it on market forces?
30
18/03/2021 11:23:59 3 1
bbc
More public funds thrown away to prop up private sector. It seems a common thing now. Are private companys ripping of the tax payer?
42
18/03/2021 11:28:00 5 1
bbc
Are private company's ripping of the tax payer? Only the one's who are completely useless and friends with Bozo.
43
18/03/2021 11:29:09 0 3
bbc
Like they did anything under Phony Tony Tory Blair & Brown.
Globalisation Zealots.

Phony Tony Mk2's strategy is very simple whatever is in the news take the most popular view.
No raising of tax corporate or personal
No additional community charge
More Money

Still no mention of Brexit
No mention why they didn't alter Green Book
Going down chase London votes stuff rest

Vote New New Labour
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18/03/2021 11:16:21 1 3
bbc
Comment posted by Taffy O Jones, today at 11:13Taffy O Jones
11:13
I expect that there will be the usual hysteria from Tory supporters (someone has to be one, I suppose)

Yes there is.....an election winning number of Torie voters unless it had escaped your attention
44
18/03/2021 11:29:18 2 1
bbc
Is that the 43%, you talking about?
65
18/03/2021 11:35:14 1 1
bbc
labour would love 43%; are you really telling me had the General Election results gone Labour's way with less than 50% of the vote and delivered them an 80-seat majority, they and you would be standing on high moral ground of having turned down the right to form a government - no didn't think so
6
18/03/2021 11:09:32 9 8
bbc
Unfortunately the government only invests in slogans, not actual industries.
45
18/03/2021 11:29:20 2 2
bbc
If only we could export slogans we would have a world beating export industry...
46
18/03/2021 11:29:31 1 3
bbc
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.

Up for it?
59
18/03/2021 11:33:19 2 1
bbc
Mr Miliband should be expelled from the Labor party. He ruined it. His brother should have been the leader.
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18/03/2021 11:41:18 1 0
bbc
The country is financing all of the loon party chums in government contract already. So probably no chance of supporting a useful industry after all.
47
jon
18/03/2021 11:29:31 4 1
bbc
Of course the steel industry should be saved in conjunction with the opening of a new British coking mine in Cumbria.
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18/03/2021 12:47:58 3 0
bbc
Most British mills run on scrap. Coke is not needed.
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18/03/2021 11:21:20 1 6
bbc
Good ol' Millie,

'we must save the jobs' when he's in Opposition,

a disaster as a Labour leader,

and a non event when he was a Minister.
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18/03/2021 11:15:07 51 136
bbc
Our Gov does not give one jot about the most important issue - rising planetary temps. People really need to start waking up to the possibility we are on the brink of losing stored methane reserves that if released, turn us into Venus and end all life.

Having targets and then doing the opposite is absurd - relief in electric car purchases stopped today yet money available for more nukes.

Insane.
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18/03/2021 11:30:24 26 6
bbc
You have ignored the main point that this coking coal will be mined elsewhere on the planet even if we virtue signal over our own mine. It will therefore make no difference to the Earth’s temperature.
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18/03/2021 11:32:43 6 16
bbc
John, you must be able to see it is more efficient in a whole number of ways to have say one less production facility open, not just CO2 output either
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18/03/2021 11:57:26 19 3
bbc
And shipped from Australia, or the US, with a bigger carbon footprint.

As long as the NIMBY's have a clear conscience though.......
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18/03/2021 11:20:45 36 3
bbc
We need the ability to produce Steel in the UK. Once China has driven competitors out of the market it will hike prices again. We need to be independent should the supply of steel become scarce for various reasons.
50
18/03/2021 11:30:28 16 0
bbc
This sounds sensible; is there a report that calls out the impact of not having any significant UK based steel production?
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18/03/2021 11:16:21 1 3
bbc
Comment posted by Taffy O Jones, today at 11:13Taffy O Jones
11:13
I expect that there will be the usual hysteria from Tory supporters (someone has to be one, I suppose)

Yes there is.....an election winning number of Torie voters unless it had escaped your attention
51
18/03/2021 11:30:50 0 0
bbc
Not in Scotland. PMH
52
18/03/2021 11:30:51 10 9
bbc
Labours economics is a nut shell, take over a failing business and throw money at it so it does not collapse with no chance of a return.
73
18/03/2021 11:39:24 12 8
bbc
Tory's economics is a nut shell, take over a useless business and throw money at it in a bung for chums contract.
82
18/03/2021 11:42:31 0 0
bbc
The failing business as a result of Greenshill capital collapsing as advised by that Sage checks notes ooh David Cameron
5
MVP
18/03/2021 11:09:08 28 8
bbc
There are thousands more jobs at stake in the supply chain too.

The government bailed out the banks in 2008 and they owe it to the steel workers to do the same.
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18/03/2021 11:31:39 7 1
bbc
If major banks had folded the impact on the economy would have been massive think great depression on steriods. It's not a like for like comparison.
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18/03/2021 12:41:35 2 0
bbc
But it allows the screams of Tory chums doesn't it? Didn't see Labour provide support for coal/steel back in the day...but when in opposition it's even easier to spend over peoples money.
54
18/03/2021 11:31:57 5 8
bbc
Yesterday’s man, from yesterday’s Party, with yesterday’s solution

Enough said!!
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18/03/2021 11:33:29 2 6
bbc
Useless. Could not even win a general election!
55
18/03/2021 11:32:41 3 4
bbc
Labour and the MMT. Knows no bounds. Perhaps the UK Govt should have nationalised the high street too!

Nationalisation does not resolve the inherent structural issues; it just provides deep pockets. Once nationalised, what then? What’s the exit plan? What is the cost?

Simple questions any competent business person would know. As opposed to a politician with a slightly myopic view.
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18/03/2021 12:17:15 0 0
bbc
Exactly this, plus we have to assess whether this particular steelworks has any national interest, not all will.

Labour like all leftists likes to dip their long fingers into other pockets to support their members, but this just leaves less money around for companies and individuals to invest into new endeavours.
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18/03/2021 11:30:24 26 6
bbc
You have ignored the main point that this coking coal will be mined elsewhere on the planet even if we virtue signal over our own mine. It will therefore make no difference to the Earth’s temperature.
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18/03/2021 11:32:43 6 16
bbc
John, you must be able to see it is more efficient in a whole number of ways to have say one less production facility open, not just CO2 output either
57
18/03/2021 11:32:44 6 6
bbc
Nationalise a steel industry?

Not Milibland just looking for cheap votes is it.

Has he ever had a productive job? What does he know about business?
71
18/03/2021 11:38:08 7 2
bbc
Has he ever had a productive job? What does he know about business? Are you talking about Bozo ask he was sacked from his last two jobs for lying.
79
18/03/2021 11:41:18 0 1
bbc
I wouldn't trust him with a paper round.
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18/03/2021 11:33:03 3 3
bbc
We don't need steel manufacturing.

Our new masters, the Chinese, have plenty.

They'll bring their own.
140
18/03/2021 12:15:00 0 2
bbc
I thought our masters were the American's or the EU? - wish you remoaner types would make your minds up.
46
18/03/2021 11:29:31 1 3
bbc
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.

Up for it?
59
18/03/2021 11:33:19 2 1
bbc
Mr Miliband should be expelled from the Labor party. He ruined it. His brother should have been the leader.
70
18/03/2021 11:38:01 0 1
bbc
Don’t be too harsh on EM. He changed the membership rules/criteria that allowed Corbyn in, destroying Labour in the process
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18/03/2021 11:33:26 25 3
bbc
Steel production is an essential national asset. It has been repatedly undermined by imports, produced in less enviromentally responsible plants thousands of miles way. Once the final shares in UK steel have left these shores ,(most have gone already) Uk industry will be exploited right through the supply chain. Can people not see how some distant nations have already planned how this will end ?
262
18/03/2021 14:00:33 4 20
bbc
...........but Ed Milliband ain't got no authority
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18/03/2021 11:31:57 5 8
bbc
Yesterday’s man, from yesterday’s Party, with yesterday’s solution

Enough said!!
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18/03/2021 11:33:29 2 6
bbc
Useless. Could not even win a general election!
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18/03/2021 11:25:27 5 3
bbc
Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions
——-
Either way it means subsidies.
The BrexitClown Free Market Disciples jettisoned their core values Pre Covid, embracing Corbynomics and State Aid.

Don’t you watch the news??
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18/03/2021 11:38:56 1 0
bbc
I do where are the huge lorry parks and if you see a shortage of anything tell every one, but the EU , if you read newspapers are squealing blue murder as there exports have slowed right down
29
18/03/2021 11:23:39 1 5
bbc
Miliband is a career politician. What expertise can he bring to the role of shadow business secretary? Ridiculous appointment.
63
18/03/2021 11:26:20 2 1
bbc
He knows all about....

He's run a ......

He's worked ......

He has experience in......

oh, you're right.
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18/03/2021 11:27:30 4 3
bbc
Okay, lets suppose that the Gov bails out the Steel Industry, or the owners in particular what then happens elsewhere. Do all inefficient industries then go cap in hand, all poorly run firms etc, do they all deserve our cash. Where do we draw the line at wilfull profligacy, safe in the knowledge of a helping hand from the taxpayer as opposed to genuine misfortune, and do we know the difference??
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18/03/2021 11:29:18 2 1
bbc
Is that the 43%, you talking about?
65
18/03/2021 11:35:14 1 1
bbc
labour would love 43%; are you really telling me had the General Election results gone Labour's way with less than 50% of the vote and delivered them an 80-seat majority, they and you would be standing on high moral ground of having turned down the right to form a government - no didn't think so
29
18/03/2021 11:23:39 1 5
bbc
Miliband is a career politician. What expertise can he bring to the role of shadow business secretary? Ridiculous appointment.
66
18/03/2021 11:35:16 0 1
bbc
MBA in political process!
1
18/03/2021 11:05:48 11 16
bbc
Miliband is a a failed ex-leader of a failed Labour party.

He would be out of his depth in a puddle.
67
18/03/2021 11:35:37 5 2
bbc
Johnson's a failed ex-leader of a failed Brexit Tory party, just a matter of time!
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18/03/2021 12:11:46 2 2
bbc
Becoming Prime Minister of your country would be regarded as being a successful leader of political party. But maybe not for Labour who apparently don't care if they win elections as long as they believe that they "win the argument".
143
18/03/2021 12:17:41 1 0
bbc
In your dreams, sunshine. Everything is just a matter of time, just how long it takes.
68
18/03/2021 11:35:48 4 7
bbc
Labour under new leadership?

Clearly not!
6
18/03/2021 11:09:32 9 8
bbc
Unfortunately the government only invests in slogans, not actual industries.
Removed
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18/03/2021 11:33:19 2 1
bbc
Mr Miliband should be expelled from the Labor party. He ruined it. His brother should have been the leader.
70
18/03/2021 11:38:01 0 1
bbc
Don’t be too harsh on EM. He changed the membership rules/criteria that allowed Corbyn in, destroying Labour in the process
57
18/03/2021 11:32:44 6 6
bbc
Nationalise a steel industry?

Not Milibland just looking for cheap votes is it.

Has he ever had a productive job? What does he know about business?
71
18/03/2021 11:38:08 7 2
bbc
Has he ever had a productive job? What does he know about business? Are you talking about Bozo ask he was sacked from his last two jobs for lying.
72
18/03/2021 11:38:51 16 6
bbc
save the jobs and produce steel or wasteful unemployment , benefits sitting on backside because of no work , housing benefit, universal credit , high crime .
now the idiots of the comments below, so the Tory govt gives Nissan £80 million of tax payers wedge to Nissan to stop closure of its Sunderland plant.
moaners SHOULD try and get back the 12 billion wasted on track and trace, ya numpties
134
18/03/2021 12:11:03 2 1
bbc
Those who lose their jobs will gain new employment in sectors more suited to the UK economy - your way of thinking would have us subsidise Luddites to continue hand weaving textiles.
52
18/03/2021 11:30:51 10 9
bbc
Labours economics is a nut shell, take over a failing business and throw money at it so it does not collapse with no chance of a return.
73
18/03/2021 11:39:24 12 8
bbc
Tory's economics is a nut shell, take over a useless business and throw money at it in a bung for chums contract.
92
18/03/2021 11:46:34 0 0
bbc
It appears the problem is politicians.
74
18/03/2021 11:31:01 3 7
bbc
He's a bit like Corbyn and many of the Left 'Intelligensia';

Student politics,
Uni drop out,
never had an actual job,
then an MP - Range Rovers and an instant expert.
91
18/03/2021 11:46:09 4 2
bbc
Wonder Tory rag spun that guff.
4
18/03/2021 11:08:48 3 7
bbc
Back to the 1970s then.
75
18/03/2021 11:31:12 1 0
bbc
I love the 1970s
46
18/03/2021 11:29:31 1 3
bbc
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.

Up for it?
77
18/03/2021 11:36:18 7 5
bbc
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.
—-
Have the Tory Tots all received reality bypass treatment?

The Brexitclowns ditched all their ‘values’ when they conducted the largest ever raid on The Bank of National Debt - before Covid!!!

They have also embraced State Aid citing it frequently, as a sticking point, during the EU pre deal period.
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18/03/2021 11:42:30 1 3
bbc
Never been in business have you!
86
18/03/2021 11:44:21 0 2
bbc
Does that include the fiscal deficit of £160bn announced by A. Darling (£30bn for banks only)?

Covid pandemic borrowing via BofE. Termed monetised debt. What do you think the finance cost is?

Exactly
46
18/03/2021 11:29:31 1 3
bbc
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.

Up for it?
78
18/03/2021 11:41:18 1 0
bbc
The country is financing all of the loon party chums in government contract already. So probably no chance of supporting a useful industry after all.
90
18/03/2021 11:45:26 0 1
bbc
And your factual evidence is what exactly in relation to each and every contract?
114
18/03/2021 11:56:54 0 1
bbc
And your factual evidence is what exactly? A few media reports!
57
18/03/2021 11:32:44 6 6
bbc
Nationalise a steel industry?

Not Milibland just looking for cheap votes is it.

Has he ever had a productive job? What does he know about business?
79
18/03/2021 11:41:18 0 1
bbc
I wouldn't trust him with a paper round.
80
18/03/2021 11:42:27 76 16
bbc
How ironic is that, on Sunday we had Milliband on the Andrew Maar show stating that we should NOT open a new coal mine in the North West to help with the production of steel that would create numerous jobs directly and indirectly and yet here we have him stating that the Government should step in and support the steel industry. Is this not once again typical Labour double-speak? Crazy or what?
93
18/03/2021 11:46:48 39 14
bbc
Liberty Steel produces steel from ferrous scrap and does not use coke.
375
18/03/2021 16:14:44 2 2
bbc
It wasn't long ago that the far-right were telling us how vital British steel was and that we shouldn't be dependent on China, but along come Labour and the far-right hypocritically change their tune!

It was the Government that ordered the review!
465
18/03/2021 19:47:56 0 0
bbc
Not ironic at all.

"Around 500 million tonnes of steel is recycled every year from scrap, or 31% of total global steel production"

https://www.letstalkaboutcoal.co.nz/future-of-coal/making-steel-without-coal/
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.
—-
Have the Tory Tots all received reality bypass treatment?

The Brexitclowns ditched all their ‘values’ when they conducted the largest ever raid on The Bank of National Debt - before Covid!!!

They have also embraced State Aid citing it frequently, as a sticking point, during the EU pre deal period.
81
18/03/2021 11:42:30 1 3
bbc
Never been in business have you!
52
18/03/2021 11:30:51 10 9
bbc
Labours economics is a nut shell, take over a failing business and throw money at it so it does not collapse with no chance of a return.
82
18/03/2021 11:42:31 0 0
bbc
The failing business as a result of Greenshill capital collapsing as advised by that Sage checks notes ooh David Cameron
83
18/03/2021 11:42:37 6 5
bbc
The government cannot use tax payers money to continually bail out private enterprise -particularly when so few people in this country are net contributors and so many avoid tax running their own companies (think cash in hand black cabs/ builders etc.)

I guess also many Brexiteers hadn't really thought through the impact of their 'winning' vote which continues to shelve UK jobs.
133
18/03/2021 12:08:28 0 2
bbc
Still shoehorning Brexit into everything negative - did you do the same re Ford Transit engines being made in the UK?
84
18/03/2021 11:36:53 59 5
bbc
Did the Snp not use Chinese steel for the new bridge that cant open if the temps go below freezing ?
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18/03/2021 11:56:18 42 1
bbc
Of course China can produce steel far cheaper when it's running dystopian mills the size of cities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy63PEgmm8w

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.6537248,109.7388346,5732m/data=!3m1!1e3

Doesn't mean the stuff it produces is high quality, certainly wouldn't trust it for critical applications.
424
18/03/2021 17:43:32 0 2
bbc
To do with ice not steel like many other similar bridges in uk
442
18/03/2021 18:37:13 1 0
bbc
Yeah, supporting the Chinese while moaning they are attacking democracy in Hong Kong. We need to stop buying anything foreign right now to get our industry back on track and to stop supporting abusive regimes
85
18/03/2021 11:37:44 42 23
bbc
Where in the world, is there a successful, non murderous Socialist country?

Labour MUST ditch the Far Left, they have not been anywhere near Government for decades, and have a small militant dogmatic Looney Tunes cult taking it to the cliff edge.

Starmer would get support if he continued his purge / expulsion of these Lala land people.

Socialism was out of date in the 1970s
87
18/03/2021 11:44:57 23 43
bbc
Most Tory's are still in the 1970's it seems.
173
18/03/2021 12:19:27 3 7
bbc
AND THE FAR FACIST TORY RIGHT ?????????????????????????
175
18/03/2021 12:44:41 0 0
bbc
Tell it to the Chinese !
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18/03/2021 12:45:46 10 3
bbc
"Socialism was out of date in the 1970s"

Yet here we are in 2021 with massive state intervention in most aspects of business & industry, a socialist healthcare system rolling out a highly-successful vaccination programme & you're commenting on the forum of a state broadcaster.

You were saying?
471
18/03/2021 20:02:00 0 1
bbc
yet US MIn wage is £11.68 by 2024 and 2 child families have $5000 per annum support from summer 21

You could also argue that this Govt from 2010 before Covid socialised £1000 Billion of future tax payers money- not even asking them if they wanted to socialise the losses and privatise the profits Of banks and Greedy Global Corporates .. decimating pay and living conditions at the same time.
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SJ
19/03/2021 00:01:06 1 0
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Socialism, aka sharing, is not an across the board solution. It works well in specific areas. As does capitalism, aka greed. The idea of a "socialist/capitalist society" is equally ridiculous as a "sharing/greed society". Sharing and greed are bith needed. But if I had to, really had to, choose one it would be...
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19/03/2021 01:23:28 0 0
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What are you on about? Labour is not and never has been "far left", but the current government and its fascist anti-democracy bills are very definitely far right.

The far right is the real danger in the modern era. The days of Trotskyists and revolutionaries are long behind us.
Tell you what Mr Miliband; you finance it from your own pocket, borrowing the money as required.
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Have the Tory Tots all received reality bypass treatment?

The Brexitclowns ditched all their ‘values’ when they conducted the largest ever raid on The Bank of National Debt - before Covid!!!

They have also embraced State Aid citing it frequently, as a sticking point, during the EU pre deal period.
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18/03/2021 11:44:21 0 2
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Does that include the fiscal deficit of £160bn announced by A. Darling (£30bn for banks only)?

Covid pandemic borrowing via BofE. Termed monetised debt. What do you think the finance cost is?

Exactly
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18/03/2021 11:37:44 42 23
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Where in the world, is there a successful, non murderous Socialist country?

Labour MUST ditch the Far Left, they have not been anywhere near Government for decades, and have a small militant dogmatic Looney Tunes cult taking it to the cliff edge.

Starmer would get support if he continued his purge / expulsion of these Lala land people.

Socialism was out of date in the 1970s
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18/03/2021 11:44:57 23 43
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Most Tory's are still in the 1970's it seems.
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18/03/2021 11:46:44 10 5
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Couldn't answer the question, so attack the poster and assume they are Tory?

How typical.
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18/03/2021 12:00:16 7 3
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Milibland is a Tory now? Who knew?
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18/03/2021 12:45:15 4 3
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1770's actually.
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18/03/2021 22:48:11 1 0
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Most Tories are in the 1870s
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SJ
19/03/2021 00:01:25 0 0
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1950s mate. 1950s.
Typical Labour Response, Nationalise it, rather than look at practical solutions
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Either way it means subsidies.
The BrexitClown Free Market Disciples jettisoned their core values Pre Covid, embracing Corbynomics and State Aid.

Don’t you watch the news??
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18/03/2021 11:38:56 1 0
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I do where are the huge lorry parks and if you see a shortage of anything tell every one, but the EU , if you read newspapers are squealing blue murder as there exports have slowed right down
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18/03/2021 11:38:51 16 6
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save the jobs and produce steel or wasteful unemployment , benefits sitting on backside because of no work , housing benefit, universal credit , high crime .
now the idiots of the comments below, so the Tory govt gives Nissan £80 million of tax payers wedge to Nissan to stop closure of its Sunderland plant.
moaners SHOULD try and get back the 12 billion wasted on track and trace, ya numpties
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18/03/2021 11:41:18 1 0
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The country is financing all of the loon party chums in government contract already. So probably no chance of supporting a useful industry after all.
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18/03/2021 11:45:26 0 1
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And your factual evidence is what exactly in relation to each and every contract?
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18/03/2021 11:31:01 3 7
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He's a bit like Corbyn and many of the Left 'Intelligensia';

Student politics,
Uni drop out,
never had an actual job,
then an MP - Range Rovers and an instant expert.
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18/03/2021 11:46:09 4 2
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Wonder Tory rag spun that guff.
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18/03/2021 11:39:24 12 8
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Tory's economics is a nut shell, take over a useless business and throw money at it in a bung for chums contract.
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18/03/2021 11:46:34 0 0
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It appears the problem is politicians.
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18/03/2021 11:55:58 0 1
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No essential or desirable experience of the wider world needed. Become a local activist, get a PPE, work as a MP researcher and have no experience of life. Qualifies you immensely to understand the business world.
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18/03/2021 11:42:27 76 16
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How ironic is that, on Sunday we had Milliband on the Andrew Maar show stating that we should NOT open a new coal mine in the North West to help with the production of steel that would create numerous jobs directly and indirectly and yet here we have him stating that the Government should step in and support the steel industry. Is this not once again typical Labour double-speak? Crazy or what?
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18/03/2021 11:46:48 39 14
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Liberty Steel produces steel from ferrous scrap and does not use coke.
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18/03/2021 12:03:27 17 2
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From their own Marketing

"Liberty’s mining, recycling and commodities businesses source, produce and distribute raw materials, iron ore and coking coal which are used by the steelmaking "
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18/03/2021 12:21:30 3 9
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YES BUT TORIES WONT BOTHER WITH SIMPLE FACTS LIKE THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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18/03/2021 13:08:54 1 0
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What about the rest of the UK steel industry and steel produced on the EU from dirtier coke and coal
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18/03/2021 14:26:28 2 0
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They need to melt the scrap metal with something.
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18/03/2021 14:27:58 3 0
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It may be made from scrap but per tonne it's a lot more expensive steel than the stuff made in a blast furnace using coke, only 20% of the worlds steel is made using electricity and a large proportion of this is in the middle east where the energy is cheap - and even they can't compete with heavily subsidised steel from China.
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18/03/2021 14:45:25 5 1
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True since coke is carbon based.
That said, where does it get the energy to create the heat to smelt the ferrous scrap? Oh, wait. That would be from the coke.
Did we miss out on basic science at school?
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18/03/2021 23:51:39 0 0
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We are wasting our time. As an engineer I know too well that the public switch off when technical truth is presented. That's why Top Gear got so popular.
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18/03/2021 11:46:52 2 2
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I don't want our country reliant on china Chinese steal.
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18/03/2021 11:46:56 6 6
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The collapse of Liberty Steel and Greensill Capital is obviously all the fault of the EU who are doing their best to bring this nation down. But they won't succeed! Oh no! With the faithful support of all of our colonial friends this Glorious British Empire will arise, strike fear into the hearts of all foreigners and be 'Great' once more....

....But then again, perhaps it won't.....
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18/03/2021 11:47:46 5 4
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The steel works just need to click like on Bozo's face book account and they will probably get three government contracts.
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18/03/2021 11:31:01 3 7
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He's a bit like Corbyn and many of the Left 'Intelligensia';

Student politics,
Uni drop out,
never had an actual job,
then an MP - Range Rovers and an instant expert.
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18/03/2021 11:44:41 1 1
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what we do defines us

Simple questions any competent business person would know. As opposed to a politician with a slightly myopic view.

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........and your business credentials are.........................?

Along with a lot of other industries, the issue for the UK is cost.
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18/03/2021 11:52:55 0 2
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The questions I posed too difficult then? How do you think I was able to arrive at them!
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18/03/2021 11:49:49 8 1
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This is thanks to globalisation, it's a race to the bottom, who can provide the product at the lowest price, in areas that do not practice good standards of working or adhere to environmental regulations.

Of course China can produce steel far cheaper when it's running dystopian mills the size of cities: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iy63PEgmm8w
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18/03/2021 12:05:06 2 2
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You think British steel mills and heavy industry doesn't look like that?
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18/03/2021 11:49:55 3 2
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Yesterday the clown bot's were getting into a laver about new tanks for the army. Wonder what they are made off. No steel, no tank.
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18/03/2021 11:52:58 2 4
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You seem unable to post without personal abuse, name calling?
Why not try addressing whether the Govt should subsidise our steel industry or not, I believe that is the actual hys topic?