Covid: EU plans rollout of travel certificate before summer
17/03/2021 | news | world | 2,081
It will permit travel by those vaccinated, or who have tested negative or recently recovered.
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17/03/2021 15:28:29 19 15
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That will work well, not! Doesn’t say which summer though......
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17/03/2021 15:29:24 481 67
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Rolling out a Covid travel form seems to have overtaken rolling out vaccines as a priority. Posterior about face.
Let’s hope all these idiots who refuse a vaccine will be banned from going on holidays abroad. Suck it up, dumb anti-vaxers. Removed
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17/03/2021 15:51:53 6 45
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Ne’er mind, you and other quitlings will not be able to get one.
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17/03/2021 16:55:13 3 1
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Perhaps they have been putting the vaccine in wrong end then.
17/03/2021 18:11:08 0 4
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Seems to me to be addressing a potentially short term problem if vaccinations work at the expense of what will become a permanent form of identity card. Policeman "where is your vaccination passport, you have no right to be in Sainsburys, the pub, out for a walk etc." How many times in the last year have you got out of the car then had to go back for your damn mask?
18/03/2021 17:21:26 0 1
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Well the first priority was AZ vaccine no good for over 65s. Second priority was to mention the British/English variant at every opportunity, without explaining why it has that tag. The third priority was to react to fake news on AZ and get all potential patients in a panic. Result cheapest vaccine not wanted by many due to fake news. Petty politics from petty people. Shameful way to treat people.
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17/03/2021 15:29:36 204 37
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Which summer ? By the time the EU does anything it will be years down the line !
i didnt think any brexiters would want to visit anywhere in that bad old EU place anyhow??!! Removed
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17/03/2021 16:49:49 4 0
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Too many cooks!!
18/03/2021 07:35:45 0 0
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Don't be daft. You'll end up looking silly.
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17/03/2021 15:30:40 112 20
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They are too busy doing the Hokey Cokey on AZ vaccine.
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jon
17/03/2021 16:47:26 77 20
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Why would the British want to visit the EU or buy their products when the commission has declared a vaccine war?
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17/03/2021 17:27:16 3 3
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This is a useful thread about why the issues with the Oxford/AZ vaccine aren't as simple as a lot of people seem to think:

https://twitter.com/JLRohmann/status/1371833745272156163?s=20
18/03/2021 07:51:23 0 1
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Yawn, god I was bored reading your post.
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17/03/2021 15:30:54 14 3
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Oh but they’re not mandatory......
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17/03/2021 16:44:51 2 5
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Of course not. You just can't have any type of life without one. But it's not mandatory.

I would rather die than live in a world where your whole life is under such control.
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17/03/2021 15:32:31 676 147
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Well done the EU. Cases rising exponentially, vaccine rollout in chaos, but they can produce a form!
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17/03/2021 15:35:13 153 209
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They want/need our cash.

But they’d rather not have us spewing up all over their streets.
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17/03/2021 16:00:57 39 229
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The EU acted in good faith. But selfish UK politics stopped exporting of vaccine to EU. This will not be forgotten by EU citizens. The UK declared war on the EU
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17/03/2021 16:05:15 29 8
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Well, a Covid-passport for the vaccinated has been under discussion here in the UK.
What a wonderful day it is, yes folks, what a wonderful day it is, for looking at all the Leave voters, queuing for hours in the non-EU citizen's files at Continental airports, and saying "How about that for stand-up comedy?" Removed
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17/03/2021 16:40:39 19 5
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The problem with a travel certificate is it is only for countries not an EU member other wise it would contravene one of the four freedoms, movement.

I am sorry to say the EU has shown its true colours, whatever they do they show the world where the EU has gone wrong with democracy, unelected officials running the EU, is not a democracy no matter what colour paint you use to cover the cracks
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17/03/2021 16:47:15 3 12
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Going somewhere nice on holiday over the Easter or Summer this year? Taking a well deserved break from being stuck in doors, watching Netflix shows you've already seen and waiting for supermarkets to deliver whilst hating on your neighbours because you once overheard a foreign accent over the fence?
Spoiler alert: no chance
Another great benefit of not being an EU citizen to add to your list
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17/03/2021 16:49:05 5 14
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Do you know what 'rising exponentially' actually means?
If Yes - you're claim is wrong - EU case NOT rising exponentially.
If No - why use a term you don't understand?
BTW, have you seen the UK CV19 death stats?
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17/03/2021 16:49:19 4 18
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Aye pal - let’s gloat about people dying - typical Brexiter ....!!
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17/03/2021 17:12:54 4 0
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Lance that boil.
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17/03/2021 17:13:43 2 4
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Fewer deaths than us though.
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17/03/2021 17:13:49 1 9
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The daily, Orwellian anti-EU hate.

Lucky Big Brother loves brexiters.
17/03/2021 17:36:55 10 1
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Ahhhhh, but this "form" hasn't actually been designed by the Autocrats in Brussels nor has it been signed off by the 27 countries

This will take them, based on their appalling record so far on Covid-19, approximately .... errr, ummmmm, 18 months (and it then has to be counter ratified, systems designed and rebuilt as the initial version caused a few rejections in Norway and Denmark)

Hopeless !!
LH
17/03/2021 17:55:30 2 1
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... in TRIPLICATE, with a bureaucratic period of five weeks, unless your written responses are in the WRONG order!!!
17/03/2021 18:00:03 5 0
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Are the people voting 'thumbs-down' to comments highlighting the EU's chaotic approach to vaccine roll-out really British or Europeans over here cos everything's safer, and better organised ??........do tell !
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17/03/2021 15:28:25 152 44
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EU. WHAT a bunch of dictators.
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17/03/2021 15:55:59 45 14
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No democracy - you get dictators. Most dictators are usually moderately capable.
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17/03/2021 16:45:29 1 0
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I guess you aren't in favour of domestic passport too get into pub then?
18/03/2021 07:41:49 0 0
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Yawn off and go wave your flag
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17/03/2021 15:33:26 18 9
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Given the slow pace of vaccination within the EU I reckon this means they should have open borders any time in 2024...or 2025....or sometime this century. Looks like the only people travelling to/from the EU will be from the UK!
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17/03/2021 15:33:26 20 7
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I'm sure they'll be all about the science, after all the German vaccine institue is ignoring a known significant risk of death (5% for 60-70 year old Covid positives) for a possible risk of 1 in a million thrombosis, mostly it seems because this unproven risk is not listed in the official side effects paperwork.

I think we know what the clot-risk is here.
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17/03/2021 15:42:48 19 2
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the real clots are the ones who staff the EU
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17/03/2021 15:33:38 166 55
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Funny how the EU do like us but are more than happy to take our schillings and give us refugees in return.
Yawwwnnnnnn.......
17/03/2021 19:41:29 7 6
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Perhaps we should charge the EU a fee ? for every illegal immigrant that manages to land on our shores after passing through so many safe countries?
18/03/2021 07:41:17 0 1
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Are they actually giving us refugees? Couldn't possibly be that the refugees want to come here in the first place surely?
18/03/2021 05:15:06 1 0
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Agreed, apart from the majority are not refugees, they are illegal immigrants.
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17/03/2021 15:33:43 8 3
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I don't mind having a covid passport, but I certainly don't want to have one for each individual carrier, country etc. Unfortunately that seems to be the direction of travel right now.
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17/03/2021 15:45:42 0 0
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the most sensible comment on here by far
of course people want to travel
and of course, they want to do it safely
they shouldnt be exploited by a confusing mass of 'regulations' imposed by a multiplicity of airlines
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17/03/2021 15:34:09 10 6
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However the AZ vaccine probably wont be allowed :P
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17/03/2021 15:34:11 438 60
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Who is going to want to travel to countries with limited vaccinations due to political posturing?
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17/03/2021 15:43:24 121 362
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You really don't understand how immunity works, do you?

If you are immune, either from having recovered from covid-19, or from being vaccinated, it doesn't matter in the least whether others are, because you won't become infected. That's the 101 on how immunity works, despite the government pretending otherwise in order to frighten people into continuing to "follow the rules".
17/03/2021 19:01:32 0 0
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Not sure they will want us anyway.
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17/03/2021 15:34:14 238 30
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The EU seems to be too busy making ridiculous threats at the moment.
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The British seem to be too busy breaking treaties that had been agreed to!
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17/03/2021 15:29:36 204 37
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Which summer ? By the time the EU does anything it will be years down the line !
i didnt think any brexiters would want to visit anywhere in that bad old EU place anyhow??!! Removed
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17/03/2021 15:37:31 46 10
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Oh do behave
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17/03/2021 15:45:12 47 12
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VERY CHILDISH COMMENT!!!!
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17/03/2021 15:46:53 66 11
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That shows how badly Leavers are painted by some Remainers, and how some Remainers fail to listen to what is being said.

Leavers have constantly stated how they like Europeans and European countries but do not agree with the EU as a state.

It is not a dichotomy.
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17/03/2021 16:06:56 41 3
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You do know the EU is not a place ?
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17/03/2021 16:15:34 40 4
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Even Brexiteers like Europe, just not the EU. There is a little bit of difference.
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17/03/2021 16:40:09 22 2
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You are confusing EU with Europe..
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17/03/2021 16:41:34 6 7
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I think you will find most Brexiteers love visiting ÈU member countries.
It is the ÈU control over the U.K. we have left, not our desire to visit our neighbours who have vastly more sun than we have.
As the scientists have failed in their promise to us of over 20 years ago to provide us with a Mediterranean climate through “man made global warming” we will have to keep going abroad
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17/03/2021 17:29:56 5 1
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Why not? Your understanding of the difference between Europe and the EU is obviously not very good is it?
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17/03/2021 17:31:30 7 2
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There's a pretty fundamental difference.

Europe is fabulous, it's just the EU that is so very unpleasant.
17/03/2021 18:05:25 1 1
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We don't
17/03/2021 18:14:29 4 3
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As usual, Remainer missing the point - we Brits all like Europe but don't like EU..there's a massive difference....gottit now?
17/03/2021 18:39:30 4 1
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That's lazy thinking. I suspect that like me, most "brexiteers" have no problem with the individual countries or their citizens. It's the increasingly soviet institution that is the EU we had problems with. Ask yourself this simple question. When we were "in", when did the name of Juncker or Van der Leyen ever appear on a ballot paper in this or any other nation for the office they hold. President
17/03/2021 19:28:27 1 1
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They do as there are English pubs and McDonalds.
17/03/2021 20:06:48 2 1
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Why? It’s not that we don’t like them. We don’t wish to be part of a political project. The United States of Europe. It isn’t just about trade, and never was.
18/03/2021 05:12:43 1 1
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Again, the same old tired and untrue tropes, I voted to leave the ‘EU’ not the continent, unless of course you are saying that France Italy Holland etc are not soverign states which then proves leavers case.
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17/03/2021 15:34:47 32 14
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I think the EU is the last place most sensible Brits will be going this year.
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17/03/2021 15:45:25 10 27
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You mean ones who voted as you did

People who don't believe everything they read in the Daily Express will look forward to returning to their favourite destinations while you spend summer in Bognor
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17/03/2021 15:53:33 1 1
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Don't hold you breath most of the population will be triping over themselves for s foreign holiday first change they can
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17/03/2021 15:33:08 6 9
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Notice the "recently recovered".

Our government has persistently lied about those who have had covid-19, even asymptomatically, now having long term immunity.

Actually there is absolutely no scientific basis for specifying only "recently". Lots of highly reputable research has now shown, beyond reasonable doubt, that immunity lasts as long as we can currently test for.
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17/03/2021 15:32:31 676 147
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Well done the EU. Cases rising exponentially, vaccine rollout in chaos, but they can produce a form!
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17/03/2021 15:35:13 153 209
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They want/need our cash.

But they’d rather not have us spewing up all over their streets.
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Jon
17/03/2021 15:45:48 73 31
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UK will be Ok as we're vaccinated...the only ones that will be sick will be their own neglected citizens
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17/03/2021 15:47:52 101 7
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Speak for yourself. Some of us can enjoy a civilised drink and keep civilised company.
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17/03/2021 15:57:27 41 16
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That's a win-win for the EU then, block the young (inexperienced drinkers) and welcome the UK's (super-rich as the young would have it) boomers.
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17/03/2021 16:12:08 85 5
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Not all of us spew up in their streets......you might, but most of us behave with respect when we visit other countries.
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17/03/2021 16:59:44 11 5
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Go live in the EU then, if you love the EU that much?
17/03/2021 17:48:45 0 3
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Its not our cash. These enable travel between Schengen countries.
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17/03/2021 15:35:23 15 8
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No way would I go this year it’s by no means settled down yet you could still get stuck away from home with expenses to cover your compulsive stay it’s not just a holiday you have to think of but the rest too
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17/03/2021 15:35:39 33 9
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Rolling out a 'form'...is that mutation of tin can they normally kick down the road
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18/03/2021 09:01:41 0 0
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Got to be seen to be doing something!
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17/03/2021 15:35:40 111 22
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The EU are way too slow inoculating their residents to be safe for us vaccinated people to travel to, sorry Van der leyen must try harder!
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17/03/2021 15:42:48 19 131
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Or maybe, just maybe, Europeans are not as naive?
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17/03/2021 15:52:48 2 10
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Just as well that this is an article about a document issued to residents of countries that are members of the EU, for travel within the EU, and does not affect you!

Should you ever change your mind and want to visit, you'll be subject to different arrangements, once the EU starts making them with individual non-member countries.
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jon
17/03/2021 16:49:53 16 1
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I’m certainly avoiding France. The pandemic is out of control, hospitals overwhelmed, evening curfews in place and now we have new French variant in Brittany which escapes normal testing.
18/03/2021 07:51:02 0 1
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Why do you care? Seriously, are you that bothered? Why aren't you protesting or creating petitions for your precious Gov to take action over?
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17/03/2021 15:35:53 19 7
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I feel for Spain, Greece and Italy, so understand why they are pushing for this. That said, the Commission's approach to vaccine rollout has been shocking (and is letting member states down). So, so slow. I think that COVID control would have been more effective if it was left to members states to be more nimble in rolling out vaccines, etc.
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17/03/2021 15:35:58 10 3
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How much will it cost to purchase a certificate? Stealth vacation tax...
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17/03/2021 15:36:22 395 73
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The Clueless EU.

Dont know what their doing, showing themselves at a time of Great Importance to be completely incompetent

Anyone still wish we were in ?

No and I voted to remain
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17/03/2021 15:42:07 224 33
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I voted remain too, wish we were still in but Ursula von der Leyen is not exactly covering herself in glory. She seems to be out of her depth.
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17/03/2021 15:42:23 26 58
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EU? How are they clueless? As far as I can see they support AZ vaccine.

You aren't confusing decisions by (ehem!) sovereign states with the EU, are
you???....

And yes, I believe you voted Remain (ehem again!...)
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17/03/2021 15:55:16 23 18
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Without doubt they have totally fouled up the vaccine rollout, but at some point it will be back to near normality and we will have to do business with them.

They are the second largest trading bloc in the world and on our doorstep, so we can't simply ignore them.
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17/03/2021 16:39:22 21 4
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They don't seem to ever do well in times of great importance. The financial crash and migrant crisis both spring to mind.
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17/03/2021 17:00:10 22 6
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I voted remain, but the likes of Ursula von der Leyen are not helping us. They don't want our vaccine helping to save millions of lives avoiding lockdown. Yet they want us to travel unhindered.

Well done Ms der Leyen, you've really made the case for Brexit and turned Boris and Farage into national heroes.

Thank you for condemning us to decades of right wing rule, we really appreciate it.
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17/03/2021 17:05:36 13 35
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I wish we were still in.
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17/03/2021 17:12:32 1 21
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Happy you are out. EU will not forget UKs betrayal and export restrictions. Covid will go....but UK will need access to EU markets. Hope the EU will be as kind as the UK is now.
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17/03/2021 17:17:50 17 3
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Likewise I was an ardent remain supporter - thank God we left! The EU are not our friends!
17/03/2021 19:50:38 4 1
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They're better at using our language than you appear to be though!
18/03/2021 06:28:01 1 0
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125k dead. Yes I wish we were.
18/03/2021 07:02:27 0 1
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I wish we were still in because we need peace to be maintained. The EU received a Nobel peace prize.
18/03/2021 07:05:19 0 0
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I do
18/03/2021 07:29:50 0 0
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Bet you did.
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17/03/2021 15:36:29 13 8
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Until they get a grip on their vaccination roll out problems and stop trying to find blame elsewhere they will never get it right. As for "come to covid central" with your nice certificate!, forget it. I will be looking to go to countries with low covid issues, and at the moment and probably for the next 2 years, that is not the EU
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17/03/2021 15:36:31 12 7
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why wont you take the vaccine, it doesn't even hurt, your life will be easier, just take it...
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GS
17/03/2021 15:43:39 1 7
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Says a man named after a mutant turtle
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17/03/2021 15:43:59 2 2
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People still have some freedom of choice and speech ,despite the stupid p c brigade
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17/03/2021 15:37:02 11 5
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Given their rate of vaccinations currently, they aren't going to be issuing many to EU citizens which given their organisational skills is the only positive point sadly.
i didnt think any brexiters would want to visit anywhere in that bad old EU place anyhow??!! Removed
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17/03/2021 15:37:31 46 10
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Oh do behave
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17/03/2021 15:38:10 300 46
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Whatever happens, they'll bend over backwards to make sure British tourists are allowed in this summer. The EU looks down on us apart from when they rely on our money.
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17/03/2021 15:56:36 175 53
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They would have to pay me a large sum of money and put me up somewhere luxurious for free to make me want to go on holiday in the EU.
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17/03/2021 17:13:49 5 12
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Nobody needs your money. Make a nice holiday in Blackpool. What a joy. And btw - prepare for tax increases...
17/03/2021 18:12:37 1 3
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Is funny if look down on us when most of them in the South we're peasants not long ago and democracy was somewhere in the future.
You know what? I'm pretty sure they could do very well without our money. a few hundred £ per person for 7 days in a country isn't really massive when you think about it.

Ooooh, we're playing EU NASTY PASTY NAZIS....nevermind me then!
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17/03/2021 15:38:30 7 2
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They need to think through the detail of families travelling together. Some of whom may have been vaccinated some not either because of young age or are allergic to the vaccine components.
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Jon
17/03/2021 15:39:23 147 28
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Europe will be completely closed this summer as they have failed to vaccinate their citizens. Until EU get a grip of the situation then it will be closed for sometime.
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17/03/2021 16:06:49 18 29
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That's not what some European countries are saying.
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17/03/2021 16:29:09 1 7
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Not what I have heard. In the most popular tourist spots it is almost situation normal. Bars, restaurants and some hotels are so desperate for custom that they are basically ignoring rules on limiting numbers, mask wearing, etc. And I doubt that the local police are being too heavy handed either, they know the future of these places is very fragile.
17/03/2021 17:57:09 10 3
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The United Kingdom is still part of Europe.... just not the EU, and I believe we will be open for business this summer, thankfully
17/03/2021 18:01:56 9 1
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Nobody will want to go to the disaster zone though !
17/03/2021 20:01:31 2 0
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Hope you are right. Borders should be kept closed
17/03/2021 20:09:15 0 0
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Nor got a grip on Covid, either...."
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17/03/2021 15:39:38 176 32
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So the EU can manage to produce a form, but not get their citizens vaccinated promptly..........funny old world.
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17/03/2021 16:39:23 32 50
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Er, guys... You won! We left! It's over! Remember???
18/03/2021 07:37:29 0 0
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Let's face it Andy, producing a form isn't hard. You might struggle, but generally it's a piece of piss
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17/03/2021 15:39:41 40 15
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So glad we've left that dictatorship, they've soon their true right from the start of the covid farce!!
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17/03/2021 15:40:42 31 7
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To clarify, it is possible to take the vaccine but be against vaccine passports, just because someone doesn’t like vaccine passports doesn’t mean they’re a blatant anti-vaxxer.
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17/03/2021 15:45:10 18 19
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To clarify, just because someone doesn't want THIS vaccine yet, doesn't make them an anti-vaxxer either.
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O
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nic
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No
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17/03/2021 15:40:57 20 10
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Typical of the EU, on one hand trying to be the school yard bully in preventing the imports of vaccine, whilst at the same time stating that we'll need a "travel certificate" to travel to and through the EU zone!
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17/03/2021 15:41:26 122 29
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EU again putting cash in front of lives again
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17/03/2021 15:51:24 26 111
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If you can't even understand the difference between EU and its sovereign (ehem!) member states I recommend you refrain from commenting on here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
17/03/2021 20:10:13 1 1
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You do know this only applies to EU citizens right? Nothing to do with the UK
18/03/2021 07:47:11 0 1
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No, that is the Tory party. Strange how you've completely missed that one.
18/03/2021 10:29:46 2 0
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Or putting politics in front of lives
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Jon
17/03/2021 15:41:40 572 91
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Europe seems to be a bit of a basket case at the moment....probably wait until Von de Leyen has been held accountable for incompetence....what's the democratic process for removing her? Oh....there isn't one!
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17/03/2021 15:45:48 224 43
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I can't wait for the EU public to vote her out! She's not very good is she!!!
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17/03/2021 15:49:39 37 11
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Von der Leyen, The EU's answer to Gavin Williamson.
The one and only thing that sucks is british selfishness and their export ban of vaccines Removed
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17/03/2021 16:21:33 6 9
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Officially at least, she is elected by the european parliament, and accontable there. Disapproving citizens can choose to vote accordingly.
In practice, citizens won't have a lot of influence. A bit like UK voters that don't have the good fortune to live in a marginal constituency.
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17/03/2021 16:44:16 3 15
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Bit like the UK with Bozo the clown and chums. lie, lie and lie again.
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fu
17/03/2021 17:18:42 5 4
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Same process as for mr Cummings
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17/03/2021 17:29:37 2 2
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There is a process for removing her though, and it's no more complicated or difficult than the process for removing a UK PM.
17/03/2021 17:54:21 4 1
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What do you mean 'at the moment'?
LH
17/03/2021 17:55:52 3 1
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"at the moment"??!!
17/03/2021 18:36:17 1 4
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There is a process but a bigot wouldn't recognise it.
17/03/2021 19:01:05 2 4
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There is a process......how about we hold Boris and clowns to account for the deaths of over 100,000 people?
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17/03/2021 15:41:51 457 80
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I’ve decided not to go on holiday in June to Austria and France as the EU is way behind the UK.

The EU also seems to be blaming Britain for their tardiness with their vaccination programme, controlled from the centre.

The European Commission headm Ursula von der Leyen, is threatening Britain again.. she is a Bully.??
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17/03/2021 15:45:01 372 91
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The entire EU mafia are bullies.
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17/03/2021 15:49:54 33 3
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Von der Liar is on the way out. Only a matter of time.
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17/03/2021 15:53:28 43 10
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It's all controlled from Germany - always has been, always will be!
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17/03/2021 16:22:34 33 12
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Fortunately the British public saw through the EU years ago after they told Cameron and May to get stuffed.
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17/03/2021 16:46:09 34 11
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why would anyone choose to go on holiday to the EU, I think UK people need to have a good think about how the EU is treating the UK at present, and ask do you really want to bail them out with your cash...

791
17/03/2021 17:08:50 10 27
bbc
Stay where you are...with your British mutations. It's your fault. Do not cross the channel. Enjoy your holiday in Blackpool and not at the mediterranean.
17/03/2021 18:22:45 4 3
bbc
enjoy Skegness then!
17/03/2021 19:03:01 3 1
bbc
So what? Brexit worked....hahahahaha
17/03/2021 19:43:51 0 4
bbc
We won't miss you....and EU external borders are closed anyway.
TPB
17/03/2021 21:45:41 0 0
bbc
We know what her relatives were going in the early 40s
Removed
18/03/2021 06:54:25 1 0
bbc
With respect, they have been doing exactly the same as this for the last 15 years.

What I will never get is why nearly half the population wanted to stay in their awful little protectionist club.

I think the BBC’s (continued) pro EU disinformation had a lot to do with it but even on these fora it’s looking like the worm had turned!
41
17/03/2021 15:41:55 254 53
bbc
Thanks goodness that the UK has left the Euro-shambles. Nearly half of UK adults have already been vaccinated, while the EU mafia can't even run the proverbial P-up in the brewery!
88
17/03/2021 15:48:16 60 160
bbc
If you can't even understand the difference between EU and its sovereign (ehem!) member states I recommend you refrain from commenting on here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
93
17/03/2021 15:48:57 24 8
bbc
There wouldn't be these vaccines if the UK hadn't taken the risk and put in the money before they were developed.
17/03/2021 18:00:44 1 0
bbc
And we are running out of vaccine. So, just what is going on?
24
17/03/2021 15:36:22 395 73
bbc
The Clueless EU.

Dont know what their doing, showing themselves at a time of Great Importance to be completely incompetent

Anyone still wish we were in ?

No and I voted to remain
42
17/03/2021 15:42:07 224 33
bbc
I voted remain too, wish we were still in but Ursula von der Leyen is not exactly covering herself in glory. She seems to be out of her depth.
883
17/03/2021 17:20:22 10 1
bbc
She would be out of her depth in a puddle!
18/03/2021 03:03:28 0 1
bbc
This woman sent her troops out on nato exercises with broom handles and told them to shout bang and yet she got the top job.
Tim
18/03/2021 05:13:10 1 1
bbc
You wish we were still in? What does it take? The E.U have always behaved like this, why do you think those who have lived with them the longest were much more inclined to vote leave? They work on the principle that the bigger you are, the more you can bully. That's not my philosophy and I'll have nothing to do with it.
18/03/2021 07:30:50 0 0
bbc
Maybe she is under pressure to do so, otherwise her position would be weakened. Sounds a bit like something Bojo the Clown has done since entering politics!
18/03/2021 10:31:49 1 0
bbc
She would be out of her depth in a puddle. A failed German politician given the cushy job of running the Commission. And they can't even vote her out. So glad we left this corrupt mess.
43
17/03/2021 15:42:19 13 7
bbc
this was always gonna happen once a vaccine was in place and working - - and P&O have started today as well, no vaccine no access to there cruise ships. Watch many holiday company /airlines will follow - then u sill start to see those anti's queuing up for the jab when the prospect of staying on home turf in the summer doesnt appeal
17/03/2021 17:35:59 1 0
bbc
insurance companys will ensure vaccination certification for most things.no insurance no business,be that flying,holidays,bars etc etc.people may want to start getting used to it.
24
17/03/2021 15:36:22 395 73
bbc
The Clueless EU.

Dont know what their doing, showing themselves at a time of Great Importance to be completely incompetent

Anyone still wish we were in ?

No and I voted to remain
44
17/03/2021 15:42:23 26 58
bbc
EU? How are they clueless? As far as I can see they support AZ vaccine.

You aren't confusing decisions by (ehem!) sovereign states with the EU, are
you???....

And yes, I believe you voted Remain (ehem again!...)
127
17/03/2021 15:53:05 79 7
bbc
Ursula von der Leyen is currently threatening to prevent multinational companies from exporting THEIR (i.e. not the EU's) products just because they were manufactured on EU soil.

That is past "clueless", it is completely bonkers and shows that such companies need to be careful about basing production within the EU in case politicians try to effectively confiscate their products.
477
17/03/2021 16:33:16 23 1
bbc
Actually - i really did and I have been very vocal about it. You can probably check a lot of my comments on previous HYS. UvondL is the one trying to block exports, its not something that goes down well.
17/03/2021 19:41:11 1 2
bbc
their whole roll out has been a disaster. So yeah they are Clueless.
45
17/03/2021 15:42:26 437 53
bbc
The EU are all over the place - one day they want the AZ vaccine the next they don't the next they do the next they don't. What a mess. I know Boris has made mistakes but these people take the biscuit.
56
17/03/2021 15:45:06 369 33
bbc
and the next day they threaten that we can't have it even though they don't want it!
77
17/03/2021 15:46:58 7 31
bbc
EU are quite steadfast in their support for the AZ vaccine. Though I don't think Express acknowledge that...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
82
17/03/2021 15:47:48 59 8
bbc
The EU wants AZ vaccines so they can store them in cupboards and stop anyone else getting them.
179
17/03/2021 16:00:25 64 3
bbc
Macron is certainly using the AZ “question mark” as a reason to stop using it so that he can point the finger at AZ rather than his own administrations incompetence in sorting things out....
212
17/03/2021 16:05:18 9 53
bbc
What do you care..get over it, you left the EU, we are doing fine..maybe look at what else is happening in the UK
320
17/03/2021 16:15:32 45 5
bbc
One day it doesn’t work , the next day it’s unsafe, the day after they want extra doses from the U.K. Maybe they should use the doses they already have stockpiled before asking for any more. We are not going to send them doses just for them to sit in a fridge.
910
fu
17/03/2021 17:23:55 5 23
bbc
They are following completely normal scientific process. Reports are being made thus investigated for safety reasons. At least EU citizens can claim against the manufacturer if something goes wrong. UK population cannot.
LH
17/03/2021 17:56:53 12 2
bbc
Clearly, the AZ Vaccine works BETTER in an EU fridge, rather than in someone's arm!!!
17/03/2021 19:02:27 1 4
bbc
The EU taken no stance on the vaccine in fact. Member states have. At least try and sound as if you went to school..
17/03/2021 20:45:07 1 0
bbc
Did someone say "biscuit?"
RM
17/03/2021 21:54:44 1 0
bbc
You are making things up, Gill.
The EMA consistently said the AZ is safe to use.
Individual, independent & sovereign countries halted the use of the AZ vaccine because of safety concerns.
18/03/2021 07:27:52 1 0
bbc
"I know Boris has made mistakes but these people take the biscuit."

A bit of an understatement at best that!
18/03/2021 07:44:51 1 0
bbc
They ARE all over the place ....... 27 poor, unfortunate countries to be exact !!
46
17/03/2021 15:42:38 11 6
bbc
While the EU and other western nations fight it out over vaccine supplies, China is watching on and laughing because they’ve already won the whole war. They managed to get their police state mantra applied across the world with lockdowns and whatnot (which made us so heavily reliant on this vaccine in the first place) and we’re all suffering because of it.
81
17/03/2021 15:46:35 6 0
bbc
China kicked off the whole virus disaster, and some people are saying that it was deliberate. I would avoid any Chinese product. Most of them are rubbish anyway. You are right, it is almost as if what is happening with Covid was planned.
21
17/03/2021 15:35:40 111 22
bbc
The EU are way too slow inoculating their residents to be safe for us vaccinated people to travel to, sorry Van der leyen must try harder!
47
17/03/2021 15:42:48 19 131
bbc
Or maybe, just maybe, Europeans are not as naive?
988
17/03/2021 17:33:56 5 2
bbc
We are all Europeans in the UK too you know! Another one who does know the difference between Europe and the EU....you couldn't make it up!!
17/03/2021 17:42:13 2 0
bbc
Or dead!
17/03/2021 20:12:39 3 0
bbc
circa 12.5 million AZ jabs in the UK, how many reported deaths because of it?
9
17/03/2021 15:33:26 20 7
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I'm sure they'll be all about the science, after all the German vaccine institue is ignoring a known significant risk of death (5% for 60-70 year old Covid positives) for a possible risk of 1 in a million thrombosis, mostly it seems because this unproven risk is not listed in the official side effects paperwork.

I think we know what the clot-risk is here.
48
17/03/2021 15:42:48 19 2
bbc
the real clots are the ones who staff the EU
49
17/03/2021 15:43:02 176 19
bbc
It’s always easier to blame others rather than admit to your own shambolic failure! The irony being that the EUis creating wider division. You couldn’t make it up!
76
17/03/2021 15:46:57 92 10
bbc
Now you need a passport (vaccine certificate) to travel from one EU country to another.
17/03/2021 17:42:16 12 1
bbc
Too true. The EU have messed this up big time and are now thrashing about to find someone to blame. First it was AZ not supplying enough, then Macron said it was quasi ineffective in over 65's, now they call its safety into question despite what scientists say and stop using it. Its as political as hell. Meanwhile Covid rampages through the whole of Europe and its all the UK's fault.
17/03/2021 18:03:08 2 4
bbc
Not seeing any lessening of the divisions in the UK, myself. Must stop reading so widely and concentrate on the Express and Mail instead.
18/03/2021 07:36:38 0 1
bbc
That's what the Tories and the Clown have been doing the past 10 years. I'm sure it will distract the EU public if they are in anyway comparable to ours.
50
Jon
17/03/2021 15:43:30 164 38
bbc
Not sure I want to travel to a place where politics has been put ahead of saving lives......not my thing that
60
17/03/2021 15:45:23 43 97
bbc
Then, stay at home!
70
17/03/2021 15:46:01 17 3
bbc
True. Given they don't trust the AZ vaccine I assume they will not issue a certificate for it.
769
17/03/2021 17:05:09 9 12
bbc
Populist buffoon late with PPE, 3 lockdowns, enforcing masks, exiting the current lockdown, so late with hotel quarantine that vaccinations had already started and 'leading the country' when infected patients were moved into care homes to pass covid on to kill the most vulnerable people. I'm thankful politics wasn't involved in any of those decisions!
780
17/03/2021 17:08:10 8 11
bbc
Ummmmm, unlike the shambles in Westminster then? No idea where you can go and live as the idiot has certainly been putting politics first the past 12 months
18/03/2021 07:39:21 0 0
bbc
You're going on about saving lives but commenting you wouldn't want to travel their because of politicking....and not because you do not want to spread the disease round....hmmm....that sounds a slight tad hypocritical?
26
17/03/2021 15:36:31 12 7
bbc
why wont you take the vaccine, it doesn't even hurt, your life will be easier, just take it...
51
GS
17/03/2021 15:43:39 1 7
bbc
Says a man named after a mutant turtle
26
17/03/2021 15:36:31 12 7
bbc
why wont you take the vaccine, it doesn't even hurt, your life will be easier, just take it...
52
17/03/2021 15:43:59 2 2
bbc
People still have some freedom of choice and speech ,despite the stupid p c brigade
53
17/03/2021 15:44:36 5 1
bbc
Given they won’t be anywhere near vaccinating their populations I think we need to be careful about letting millions of holiday makers going abroad and bring back new variants. We’ll probably only be allowed in if we bring a batch of UK produced AZ vaccine with us anyway
54
17/03/2021 15:44:55 5 5
bbc
Certainly not fair that all the more senior aged members of the population can travel while younger people still locked down.
116
17/03/2021 15:51:57 3 0
bbc
Well perhaps they are the only ones that know how to behave, and don't embarrass our country!!!
40
17/03/2021 15:41:51 457 80
bbc
I’ve decided not to go on holiday in June to Austria and France as the EU is way behind the UK.

The EU also seems to be blaming Britain for their tardiness with their vaccination programme, controlled from the centre.

The European Commission headm Ursula von der Leyen, is threatening Britain again.. she is a Bully.??
55
17/03/2021 15:45:01 372 91
bbc
The entire EU mafia are bullies.
804
17/03/2021 17:10:17 7 20
bbc
the one and only mafia is the UK who put export restrictions on vaccines. Thank you. We will not forget your kindness.
831
17/03/2021 17:13:43 4 3
bbc
Unlike our tabloid press, mostly owned by 3 billionaires, hack phones & bully anyone who gets in their way.
848
17/03/2021 17:15:25 3 2
bbc
How many patels have they ?
18/03/2021 07:29:32 0 1
bbc
Yeah yeah yeah, Ursulavita Corleone and all that. None of you have a clue what a mafia is and how completely different these two organisations are.
Such statements make it sound as if you were dropped at birth.
45
17/03/2021 15:42:26 437 53
bbc
The EU are all over the place - one day they want the AZ vaccine the next they don't the next they do the next they don't. What a mess. I know Boris has made mistakes but these people take the biscuit.
56
17/03/2021 15:45:06 369 33
bbc
and the next day they threaten that we can't have it even though they don't want it!
18/03/2021 01:20:33 0 1
bbc
And do not forget that globally 80 % of people in the medical profession, in law enforcement AND at the highest levels of government...in ALL industrialized nations of the earth...including the E.U., the U.K., Switzerland, etc.,....HAVE REFUSED to take their "cure" shot. WHAT DO THEY KNOW that we do not ?
As for me.....I will follow their "Good Example". :) :)
18/03/2021 06:41:13 2 0
bbc
The EU is going to break one of the four freedoms, freedom of movement to all citizens, a certificate that restricts movement is bad and not good democracy, but the way the EU is behaving its no surprise, all it will do is speed up the next country to leave the block and that one could be a real shock, I think it will be one of the larger contributors and it will hurt.
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17/03/2021 15:40:42 31 7
bbc
To clarify, it is possible to take the vaccine but be against vaccine passports, just because someone doesn’t like vaccine passports doesn’t mean they’re a blatant anti-vaxxer.
57
17/03/2021 15:45:10 18 19
bbc
To clarify, just because someone doesn't want THIS vaccine yet, doesn't make them an anti-vaxxer either.
452
17/03/2021 16:29:54 4 4
bbc
It sort of does.
i didnt think any brexiters would want to visit anywhere in that bad old EU place anyhow??!! Removed
58
17/03/2021 15:45:12 47 12
bbc
VERY CHILDISH COMMENT!!!!
220
17/03/2021 16:06:36 15 42
bbc
Why? Again and again Brexiteers have spouted their hatred of the EU.
Sounded like a sensible comment to me.
59
17/03/2021 15:45:12 16 11
bbc
Visit a Covid-19 hot spot where an incompetent dictatoprship can't provide a basic vaccination service to its citizens? let me think about that.... NO WAY.

Beggars belief, they want limit exports but won't use vaccines they already have and stocks go to waste, did somebody make this up? No its the Wonderful EU! Thank goodness we're out.
137
17/03/2021 15:55:04 0 2
bbc
We are a C-19 hot spot. One of the hottest...

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Here you go. Learn something.
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Jon
17/03/2021 15:43:30 164 38
bbc
Not sure I want to travel to a place where politics has been put ahead of saving lives......not my thing that
60
17/03/2021 15:45:23 43 97
bbc
Then, stay at home!
315
17/03/2021 16:15:17 16 3
bbc
Can go to many places. Thd EU is not the world thank goodness.
801
17/03/2021 17:09:50 10 3
bbc
Everyone will be cause it’s only going to get worse in Europe
17/03/2021 17:41:37 1 2
bbc
That's what he said. Too difficult for you?
17/03/2021 18:03:10 4 0
bbc
and we will thank you !
18/03/2021 07:39:44 0 0
bbc
And you don't get told off for waving your flag!
14
17/03/2021 15:34:14 238 30
bbc
The EU seems to be too busy making ridiculous threats at the moment.
61
17/03/2021 15:45:23 92 321
bbc
The British seem to be too busy breaking treaties that had been agreed to!
100
17/03/2021 15:49:31 60 5
bbc
Was you sleeping during the EU/Northern Ireland vaccine incident then John?
176
17/03/2021 16:00:07 30 5
bbc
Ah! Lets get you a tissue!!!
228
17/03/2021 16:07:08 42 4
bbc
Was that the one that has yet to be ratified by the EU themselves despite being granted a further extension until April for translations which is still not long enough for them?
258
17/03/2021 16:10:16 41 5
bbc
The EU are not implementing the arrangements as agreed
297
17/03/2021 16:13:38 38 6
bbc
Any new contract or agreement needs goodwill on both sides. The EU has no good will for anyone. Selfish wi drags.
331
17/03/2021 16:16:41 26 4
bbc
Name one! You cant, it hasn't happened.
578
17/03/2021 16:46:22 32 7
bbc
If you care to read the treaties you will find it is the ÈU interpreting those treaties in a way that breaks them that is the problem.
If the ÈU is so determined to protect its single market they can hardly be surprised that the U.K. reciprocates in the protection of its own single market across its 4 members.
Maybe the ÈU needs to put a border between their 26 and Eire to protect their market.
877
17/03/2021 17:19:14 18 1
bbc
And the EU don't - they can't even get their own members to follow the rules!
17/03/2021 17:38:44 14 2
bbc
Following the EU example of cource. AND THEY HAVEN'T SIGNED THE TREATY YET!
LH
17/03/2021 18:03:06 13 2
bbc
WHAT "treaties"?
EU: "We'll enter a lawsuit against you, the UK, we'll try you in our OWN court, too."!!!
17/03/2021 20:13:49 2 1
bbc
Pathetic - assume you will get your vaccination in the EU - er then again probably not!
18/03/2021 07:34:22 0 3
bbc
Exactly! Funny how we've all forgotten that. If it was the other way round the tabloids would be frothing at the mouth with rage every day.

Why do we care so much about AZ vaccine? We've had the amount we "signed" for, let them have some until they get what they "signed" for!
18/03/2021 10:35:52 2 0
bbc
European countries wrote the book on breaking treaties. Just look at history. Our record on breaking treaties is far better than that of the EU.
62
17/03/2021 15:45:24 11 6
bbc
So Brits who have been vaccinated are now wanted to boost the economies of EU countries . Of course none of their citizens will be reciprocationg as they wont have been vaccinated. Stay in the UK ( except anyone who just abandons their litter)
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37p
17/03/2021 16:04:10 0 4
bbc
I have no interest in my effect on EU economies.

I just can't afford a UK holiday but can afford to go to Europe and get some decent weather.
16
17/03/2021 15:34:47 32 14
bbc
I think the EU is the last place most sensible Brits will be going this year.
63
17/03/2021 15:45:25 10 27
bbc
You mean ones who voted as you did

People who don't believe everything they read in the Daily Express will look forward to returning to their favourite destinations while you spend summer in Bognor
347
17/03/2021 16:18:33 5 0
bbc
I think he is more referring to the lack of vaccine rollout and soon to be imposed stricter lockdowns then the dislike of Johnny Foreigner you seem to refer to. I would love to go to Europe this year, but way Covid is going I think will be very unlikely. Cases increasing massively while reducing massively here.
64
17/03/2021 15:45:31 6 6
bbc
UK has to join all the EU countries plus Switzerland, Norway and Iceland in implementing this.

We mustn’t be Billy-no-mates.
11
17/03/2021 15:33:43 8 3
bbc
I don't mind having a covid passport, but I certainly don't want to have one for each individual carrier, country etc. Unfortunately that seems to be the direction of travel right now.
65
17/03/2021 15:45:42 0 0
bbc
the most sensible comment on here by far
of course people want to travel
and of course, they want to do it safely
they shouldnt be exploited by a confusing mass of 'regulations' imposed by a multiplicity of airlines
18
17/03/2021 15:35:13 153 209
bbc
They want/need our cash.

But they’d rather not have us spewing up all over their streets.
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Jon
17/03/2021 15:45:48 73 31
bbc
UK will be Ok as we're vaccinated...the only ones that will be sick will be their own neglected citizens
39
Jon
17/03/2021 15:41:40 572 91
bbc
Europe seems to be a bit of a basket case at the moment....probably wait until Von de Leyen has been held accountable for incompetence....what's the democratic process for removing her? Oh....there isn't one!
67
17/03/2021 15:45:48 224 43
bbc
I can't wait for the EU public to vote her out! She's not very good is she!!!
121
17/03/2021 15:50:24 95 13
bbc
Unfortunately, because the EU is not democratic, she can't be voted out by ordinary voters.
134
17/03/2021 15:54:15 76 5
bbc
They don't get to vote her out
136
17/03/2021 15:54:45 41 6
bbc
She was voted in by MEPs.
189
17/03/2021 16:02:07 31 121
bbc
!00 times better than the blond buffoon we have.
201
17/03/2021 16:03:32 38 2
bbc
The public do not get a vote on this.
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Roy
17/03/2021 16:07:09 82 15
bbc
The EU public didn't vote her in - she was "appointed" by cronies. Nothjing democratic about the EU
260
17/03/2021 16:10:28 48 6
bbc
The EU public can't vote out senior EU officials. That's why iys used as a comfotable hoime for useles politicians a country waht's to get shot of.
299
17/03/2021 16:13:51 20 1
bbc
No one voted her in so what opportunity will they get to vote her out!
386
17/03/2021 16:22:43 15 5
bbc
to Bilbo Baggins She was appointed , not voted in . The people of the 26 nations will have to suffer her until SHE decides to go and mess up some where else
392
17/03/2021 16:23:32 14 3
bbc
She was presented as a choice of just one to the European supposed parliament. A bit like South Korea. The EU public don't get a vote
474
17/03/2021 16:33:07 12 2
bbc
Sadly the ÈU public have no way of voting her out of office as they had no say in her being appointed.
566
17/03/2021 16:44:34 1 8
bbc
She would be PM here
573
17/03/2021 16:45:38 6 2
bbc
Except they can't...that's the problem.
724
17/03/2021 17:03:05 5 2
bbc
Only they can't!
773
17/03/2021 17:06:59 3 7
bbc
UK is out. So, what do you care who is President of the Commission. You have no right to have any claim whatsoever on this
17/03/2021 17:39:15 6 1
bbc
Except the Eu public don’t have a vote on her job
17/03/2021 17:35:35 5 2
bbc
But they won't get the chance. She's appointed by bureaucrats
17/03/2021 17:45:19 6 1
bbc
You're absolutely right...but SADLY....that can't be done....she wasn't elected by us, but appointed by her buddies.
17/03/2021 17:51:31 6 0
bbc
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the public don't have a vote.
17/03/2021 18:07:40 5 1
bbc
Sorry, but you can't vote her out, she is not elected. One of the big arguments for Brexit. Unelected officials making laws and not being accountable.
68
17/03/2021 15:45:48 8 4
bbc
Disinclined to holiday within the EU at present.

There strange fascination for how the UK is doing baffles me.

The EU is doing well against the majority of nations, why this bitterness?

The idea on the 27 coming together on the vaccine rollout was sound, you cannot have the bigger economies leaving the others behind, but the execution has been cumbersome
301
17/03/2021 16:13:57 2 0
bbc
Fascination with UK- We cant have the "ex" doing well can we ?. Its the equivalent of losing 3 stone and looking fabulous !
69
17/03/2021 15:45:59 3 3
bbc
Makes sense to me.
50
Jon
17/03/2021 15:43:30 164 38
bbc
Not sure I want to travel to a place where politics has been put ahead of saving lives......not my thing that
70
17/03/2021 15:46:01 17 3
bbc
True. Given they don't trust the AZ vaccine I assume they will not issue a certificate for it.
71
17/03/2021 15:42:24 59 7
bbc
Its simply staggering that Ursula von der Leyen is still threatening other countries and having a tantrum about vaccine exports/imports while the EU is sitting on millions of doses they refuse to use (for no good reason) and will probably have to throw away (while the rest of the world is crying out for it)!!
Has she any idea how bad she's making the EU look internationally?
99
17/03/2021 15:49:20 7 38
bbc
EU are quite steadfast in their support for the AZ vaccine. Though I don't think Express, nor you, acknowledge that...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
72
17/03/2021 15:43:11 7 8
bbc
Highly musing how many HYS lifers are chiming in with an opinion about European travel when the cold hard truth is they never leave the comfort of their own home based keyboards, let alone the country!
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37p
17/03/2021 16:00:07 4 0
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Not sure they've had a lot of choice of the last year!
13
17/03/2021 15:34:11 438 60
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Who is going to want to travel to countries with limited vaccinations due to political posturing?
73
17/03/2021 15:43:24 121 362
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You really don't understand how immunity works, do you?

If you are immune, either from having recovered from covid-19, or from being vaccinated, it doesn't matter in the least whether others are, because you won't become infected. That's the 101 on how immunity works, despite the government pretending otherwise in order to frighten people into continuing to "follow the rules".
131
17/03/2021 15:53:18 63 32
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No, but we understand how the EU works. And we want nothing to do with them.
161
17/03/2021 15:55:54 124 8
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vaccination does NOT equal immunity.

you have a 70-80% chance of NOT getting sever covid once you have the vaccine.

still leaves a 20-30% chance you will.
164
17/03/2021 15:58:44 90 5
bbc
Except that NONE of the vaccines guarantees 'Immunity', just a greatly reduced chance of catching Covid.
170
17/03/2021 15:59:37 81 5
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Except the current vaccinations don’t provide, and don’t claim to provide, immunity.
190
17/03/2021 16:02:13 47 14
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And the new mutations which are running wild in the EU due to FoM?
197
17/03/2021 16:03:20 81 10
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Immunity, whether naturally acquired or vaccine induced, is never 100%, so yes - you can still get infected.
Naturally acquired immunity in particular can offer quite limited protection - varies greatly depending on the individual's immunological response (and is notoriously hard to measure).

So maybe you should read beyond the '101' before patronising other contributors.
198
17/03/2021 16:03:23 42 3
bbc
We still don't know how new variants are going to act with the current vaccines either. To say you wont become infected is not exactly well thought out.
231
17/03/2021 16:07:21 15 20
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The rules are to be continued to ensure social cohesion.

e.g.

To suddenly allow the 80 year olds into pubs while still stopping the 20 year olds clubbing would cause riots!
292
17/03/2021 16:13:19 48 2
bbc
Can you /guarantee/ immunity after vaccination? If so, you'd better get that information to the scientists, they'd love your input.
293
17/03/2021 16:13:20 60 5
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Going to a country that is not fully vaccinated increases the risk of bringing new variants back to the U.K. It seems to be you that doesn’t fully understand how vaccination works.
294
17/03/2021 16:13:25 12 1
bbc
Neither having previously had COVID nor one of the vaccines gives you total “immunity”. It gives you a high level but not 100%, you could still get it
322
17/03/2021 16:15:51 3 19
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The "vaccine" makers have admitted that their concoctions do not confer immunity nor lessen transmittability. They say they merely reduce the symptoms in some cases. All for a disease that was downgraded by WHO last March FROM a ‘High Consequence Infectious Disease’. Yes One year ago.
339
Ads
17/03/2021 16:17:35 14 1
bbc
A Vaccination doesn't give you Immunity. That's the 101!
351
17/03/2021 16:19:04 12 3
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Biology 101 if the vaccinated population is below 80% then you can expect mutations which evade the vaccination
389
17/03/2021 16:23:15 14 0
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But no one has immunity though do they. Just a better chance of not being really ill/hospitalised or worse. Plus you can still spread it
393
TJ
17/03/2021 16:23:34 11 1
bbc
Maybe you are right in correcting this post. But who wants to go on holiday to a place likely to be in lockdown with curfews. That doesnt sound like a holiday
415
17/03/2021 16:26:02 15 0
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It appears that YOU don't understand immunity. It does NOT mean that you can't be infected (and therefore also pass the infection on!), but that you are much less likely to get severe symptoms.
421
17/03/2021 16:18:30 16 1
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Both my partner and I have been vaccinated and still caught the virus albeit with mild symptoms. It reduces the risk of having severe symptoms and possible hospitilastion it does NOT provide immunity
523
17/03/2021 16:39:07 8 0
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Misleading: The NHS website clearly explains that there remains a chance that someone who has had the vaccine may still be infected by the virus as well as spreading it. Rather than slavishly following the rules try and understand the rational behind them. That way you might be better able to look after yourself.
559
17/03/2021 16:43:36 7 0
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neither do you.
a person who is vaccinated against COVID-19 can still be infected with or “carry” the virus that causes COVID-19.

just google it before making guesses
569
17/03/2021 16:45:14 7 0
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The vaccine doesn't immunise you from Covid-19.

Don't you do any research before dribbling it all out on here?
588
ps
17/03/2021 16:47:47 7 1
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Even if you have been vaccinated, it does not stop you getting Covid or passing it on to others. My understanding is that if you get Covid after being vaccinated it will be a milder form (hopefully) and I won't end up on a ventilator. The vaccine does not stop you getting Covid. Distance and hand washing should continue.
629
17/03/2021 16:52:20 8 0
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Dumb post. Of course you can become infected and pass on the virus. The reason to be vaccinated is that you have the antibodies to fight the infection you have.
678
17/03/2021 16:58:10 5 1
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So why do the EU want a vaccine passport, if your expert is correct.
727
17/03/2021 16:54:22 5 0
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Another one that thinks the vaccine offers immunity. even the report above tells you its not the case but heyho they must be anti vaccers for saying so.
731
17/03/2021 17:03:42 5 0
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David, being vaccinated as I understand it doesn’t stop you from catching or transmitting Covid-19, you are more likely to survive if you have the jab, you are not immune.
817
17/03/2021 17:12:04 7 1
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You’re not very bright are you - your statement is so factually incorrect, but you’re not intelligent enough to know that!
839
17/03/2021 17:14:26 4 0
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I think you have proved you certainly do not. Read the science. Your Vaccine MAY give you immunity but all the while there are Billions unvaccinated globally the risk of catching covid is still there. Then add into the mix the higher prevalence of Covid means a higher risk of mutations which MAY make your vaccine invalid or less secure. So yes the EU debacle W~ILL have an impact.
844
17/03/2021 17:15:04 2 1
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Don't waste your time on dregs -
879
17/03/2021 17:20:05 2 0
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So you would travel to a country that has not vaccinated it’s population and risk bringing it back to the U.K. as a carrier and potentate investing people here who have not had a vaccination for one reason or another. Just because you have been vaccinated does not mean you can’t carry it!
909
17/03/2021 17:23:51 3 0
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You’re not taking on board that being vaccinated does not protect you from being infected. In a small minority, the vaccine won’t work at all. For the majority, if reduces the virus’s effect. But it hasn’t been shown yet that it stops you carrying the virus around and giving it to those who haven’t been vaccinated. That’ll be most of whatever country you choose to visit.
911
17/03/2021 17:24:03 3 1
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You seem to be the one who doesn't understand.
You can be immune but still pas it on to other people.
17/03/2021 17:36:04 3 0
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David, it would seem that it is YOU who doesn't understand how immunity works.
17/03/2021 17:36:43 2 0
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Except that you can still infect others. But you just worry about yourself, eh?
17/03/2021 17:57:13 3 0
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Bad news, David. It is possible to get covid, survive, have the vaccine, catch covid again. Then to be having a damn rough time. Bad luck for the individual, yes but a warning not to become complacent.
17/03/2021 17:50:09 0 0
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Herd immunity is required.
17/03/2021 18:03:51 4 1
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Read the other replies to your comment, I believe the term is 'schooled'.
17/03/2021 18:32:38 3 0
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And you don't understand that even if you personally are immune, you can still carry the next unidentified, vaccine resistant strain back to these shores. Vallance, Whitty and JVT will tell you exactly that.
17/03/2021 18:55:30 3 0
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Like to know why you can pontificate. Do you have a doctorate in imunology, or have you just read it up on google. I am happy to lsten to scientists but as you don't show that you have any qualifications why should I listen to you.
17/03/2021 19:03:31 3 0
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No, it isn't. You can catch Covid after you've been vaccinated, but are unlikely to be hospitalised. It can still be like a dose of 'flu, not what you want on holiday. The experts say that vaccinated (Pfizer or AZ) over 60s are about 60% less likely to catch Covid, and much less likely to end up in hospital.
17/03/2021 19:11:57 0 0
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except with the vaccine you aren't !00% immune. It also doesn't stop you transmitting it, just reduces the chances of catching and transmitting.
I guess it might be you lacking understanding.
17/03/2021 19:16:57 0 0
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I am not sure you have understood how these vaccines work. They protect you from serious illness but do not stop you becoming infected.
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17/03/2021 15:45:04 7 7
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The EU will be a plague continent by the summer. People are best advised to avoid it.
i didnt think any brexiters would want to visit anywhere in that bad old EU place anyhow??!! Removed
75
17/03/2021 15:46:53 66 11
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That shows how badly Leavers are painted by some Remainers, and how some Remainers fail to listen to what is being said.

Leavers have constantly stated how they like Europeans and European countries but do not agree with the EU as a state.

It is not a dichotomy.
469
17/03/2021 16:32:09 7 4
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That is a big word for retainers to understand
49
17/03/2021 15:43:02 176 19
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It’s always easier to blame others rather than admit to your own shambolic failure! The irony being that the EUis creating wider division. You couldn’t make it up!
76
17/03/2021 15:46:57 92 10
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Now you need a passport (vaccine certificate) to travel from one EU country to another.
95
17/03/2021 15:49:14 12 1
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When it suits them eh?!
720
17/03/2021 16:53:17 9 1
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they dont have countries anymore,just member states.
17/03/2021 19:23:16 4 2
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NOTE....An EU Certificate...Just one more step tp the federalisation of mainland Europe
17/03/2021 23:00:10 0 0
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Yes. I believe that used to apply only to domestic pets to ensure they didn't have rabies...Perhaps the EU thinks we are frothing at the mouth?
18/03/2021 03:07:33 2 0
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Greece has already stated the none vaccinated will most likely need to isolate for 10 days before being let out of any hotel so bang goes greece for a good holiday for most
18/03/2021 06:28:18 0 0
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Ironic isn’t it? :)
18/03/2021 07:36:55 0 0
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tee hee haa haa clever!
45
17/03/2021 15:42:26 437 53
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The EU are all over the place - one day they want the AZ vaccine the next they don't the next they do the next they don't. What a mess. I know Boris has made mistakes but these people take the biscuit.
77
17/03/2021 15:46:58 7 31
bbc
EU are quite steadfast in their support for the AZ vaccine. Though I don't think Express acknowledge that...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
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me
17/03/2021 16:58:32 7 2
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Yes but your support is yesterday’s news!! ( well a fortnight out of date actually)
17/03/2021 17:46:47 9 1
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Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Denmark and Ireland have stopped using the Oxford Jab, thats 267m of the EU's population that cant use it... your article is 2 weeks old, which is 4 flip flops out of date.
78
17/03/2021 15:47:34 9 3
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They need to get the vaccines rolled first most EU countries are a disaster area. France had 30,000 new infections yesterday next to no genomic sequencing taking place almost certainly with that amount of new infections mutation will have occurred. Why alot of EU countries have not gone in the Red list I do not know.
79
17/03/2021 15:47:37 13 7
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The EU seem to think everything is the fault of Britain rather than looking at their own incompetence. It's a pure distraction tactic but a dangerous one.
80
17/03/2021 15:47:46 3 11
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I expected this to be full of Euro-bashing as soon as I saw the article, tragically, I wasn't disappointed. There are a lot of very misguided and utterly obnoxious British nationals back there in the country that I embarrasingly have to refer to as 'the country of my birth' and I really don't miss many of you any more...
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Kew
17/03/2021 15:49:51 2 0
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And you're certainly not missed.
105
17/03/2021 15:50:19 2 0
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Bye then.
123
17/03/2021 15:51:17 2 0
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The EU currently needs no help from anyone here to look bad.....
142
17/03/2021 15:55:31 1 0
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Does the phrase ‘I’m all right Jack’ ring any bells Quasimodo?
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17/03/2021 15:42:38 11 6
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While the EU and other western nations fight it out over vaccine supplies, China is watching on and laughing because they’ve already won the whole war. They managed to get their police state mantra applied across the world with lockdowns and whatnot (which made us so heavily reliant on this vaccine in the first place) and we’re all suffering because of it.
81
17/03/2021 15:46:35 6 0
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China kicked off the whole virus disaster, and some people are saying that it was deliberate. I would avoid any Chinese product. Most of them are rubbish anyway. You are right, it is almost as if what is happening with Covid was planned.
584
17/03/2021 16:47:34 0 0
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While I agree we should be very selective about where we buy our products from, I suspect that most of us are responding on this forum on devices that are a mostly made in China. I wish it were otherwise
45
17/03/2021 15:42:26 437 53
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The EU are all over the place - one day they want the AZ vaccine the next they don't the next they do the next they don't. What a mess. I know Boris has made mistakes but these people take the biscuit.
82
17/03/2021 15:47:48 59 8
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The EU wants AZ vaccines so they can store them in cupboards and stop anyone else getting them.
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fu
17/03/2021 17:26:29 2 21
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So the 32 million az doses set for export to poorer countries are going stay in a cupboard? I don’t see UK set to export anything to poorer countries....
LH
17/03/2021 17:57:22 1 2
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EXACTLY!!
17/03/2021 19:23:20 8 1
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oooh it's been ages since the "butter Mountains" "Wine Lakes" and other EU intervention schemes to buy things up with taxpayers money to protect the price of goods. They can have a vaccine lake now
83
17/03/2021 15:47:49 40 10
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Surely the concept of a vaccine passport goes against all the principles of freedom of movement of all people across the EU?

The speed of their vaccine programme means many younger people will not be able to travel for months.

Shameful politics now undermining the main vaccine the rest of the world can afford and will rely on.
141
17/03/2021 15:55:21 15 5
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Interesting to hear the views of those voting the above comment down - which bit di they struggle with?
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17/03/2021 15:56:45 4 1
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It might go against the principle of FOM, but most countries outside the EU will not want anyone visiting from the plague continent unless they have been vaccinated, regardless of how old they are. They can all shuffle about inside the EU though if that floats their boat.
18/03/2021 03:27:08 0 0
bbc
Vac passport will run into all kinds of legal ramifications once people are being stopped travelling, why do you think UK is dragging its heels, ATM there are too many loopholes, it'll be a fiscal pharse only
84
17/03/2021 15:47:51 2 9
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hysnewbie

"There strange fascination for how the UK is doing baffles me."

What makes you think that? Nobody in the EU cares about the self-harm we're doing here. Brexit hasn't been in the news for more than a year.
120
17/03/2021 15:50:22 4 0
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Macron just can't get over the fact that the UK vaccine is a success while the French one failed. He's quite willing to sacrifice the lives of his own people to sooth his wounded Gallic pride.
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Kew
17/03/2021 15:47:52 18 6
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How likely is it the Commission will be able to get this running by the Summer? Their asinine incompetence over vaccine procurement certainly doesn't bode well.
86
17/03/2021 15:48:11 17 4
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Desperate EU Member states need the UK Tourists pound meanwhile the EU leadership plots to bring down the UK government. No doubt left wing fanatics reading this post will say good...anything that further their marxist agenda is justified. Thank goodness they are not in charge.....
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17/03/2021 15:47:18 6 12
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Jon

Not sure I want to travel to a place where politics has been put ahead of saving lives......not my thing that.

===

I'm sure that a lot of people feel the same about Tory England.
108
17/03/2021 15:51:13 3 1
bbc
Don't be silly.
129
17/03/2021 15:53:44 0 0
bbc
Not sure the immigrants/refugees sitting on French coasts biding their time would agree with you there Jon.
172
17/03/2021 15:58:49 1 0
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What a pathetic comment. If you hate 'Tory England' so much - either leave or do not come in the first place. Just as the rest of the decent people on here are saying they will not go to EU - but for very valid reasons.
175
17/03/2021 16:00:06 1 0
bbc
Looks like there's no space left on the moral high ground again........
41
17/03/2021 15:41:55 254 53
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Thanks goodness that the UK has left the Euro-shambles. Nearly half of UK adults have already been vaccinated, while the EU mafia can't even run the proverbial P-up in the brewery!
88
17/03/2021 15:48:16 60 160
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If you can't even understand the difference between EU and its sovereign (ehem!) member states I recommend you refrain from commenting on here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
173
17/03/2021 15:59:08 13 4
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You need to get that cough seen to, mate. It could be Covid!
287
17/03/2021 16:12:34 25 6
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The EU started the doubts about the vaccine, especially the little Napoleon and Merkel. Let's face it, they run the EU. Merkel even shoe horned VDL in as president when she wasn't even on the EU parliament's short list!!
337
17/03/2021 16:17:23 25 4
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Oh come in! Even Italy admitted that they only paused their vaccination programme for political reasons. Because France and Germany had done it.
726
17/03/2021 17:03:13 7 2
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This is just another inconsistency they try and drum up support for AZ, meanwhile they suspend it, Marcon trashes it, and lobbyist for the commercial vaccines have a hey day with politicians. There's a reason why its unpopular in the EU...
17/03/2021 17:39:26 0 1
bbc
Recommendation rejected!
17/03/2021 18:26:46 2 1
bbc
Have you a cough?
18/03/2021 05:30:40 0 0
bbc
Repeating yourself, you said that earlier ??
18/03/2021 06:26:38 1 0
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(‘Ehem!)? What’s that supposed to mean?

Are you trying to impress us and be an apologist for the EU’s incompetence and now petulance over its handling of Covid, with this smug little remark?

Sorry, it didn’t work, they’re still useless!
18/03/2021 07:35:27 0 0
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That would be a start Ian, unfortunately they missed out on an afternoon of flag waving due to the rain and are now frothing at the mouths over something they don't understand, and lack the ability to also.
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GS
17/03/2021 15:48:20 16 4
bbc
It's clear the EU couldn't even roll out a carpet. Better to ship the blame to anyone doing a better job than them. So basically the rest of the world bar Brazil.
149
17/03/2021 15:56:42 2 0
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kent variant travels as well
90
17/03/2021 15:48:37 20 7
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The e.u are thinking the brits will all be running to Spain n Italy for our holidays after there bullying and scare tactics over N Ireland and closing the border and now with the vaccine threatening to block vaccines to the u.k .with COVID cases rising abroad don’t think everybody will be scrambling to go abroad this summer like we used to pre pandemic
145
17/03/2021 15:56:15 5 20
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nonsense brits love sunny spain and will never stay in there own country with terrible summers.
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37p
17/03/2021 15:57:28 3 0
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I'll be going but not to Spain or Italy!
166
17/03/2021 15:59:05 5 2
bbc
Love to be travelling, but not to the plague continent thanks, I'd prefer somewhere welcoming and warm, just as soon as I can get my vaccine certificate!
91
17/03/2021 15:48:44 3 4
bbc
insular
bitter
crones
permanently in lock down mentality

I want to ski, I want to swim, I want to vulture some culture
I want my hard work to translate in to meaningful experiences for my brats

I was told we spent billions so as to keep going with C19 as a managed risk
Well, the dosh is blown and regardkless that the results were poor
I want out
111
17/03/2021 15:51:32 2 1
bbc
Grow up.
92
17/03/2021 15:48:49 39 10
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Let's all laugh at the EU. Their travel document is so irrelevant as individual nations will still decide who they want to let in and who they don't. Suddenly, the British Vaccinated Pound is worth a whole lot more than its foreign exchange value.
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17/03/2021 15:41:55 254 53
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Thanks goodness that the UK has left the Euro-shambles. Nearly half of UK adults have already been vaccinated, while the EU mafia can't even run the proverbial P-up in the brewery!
93
17/03/2021 15:48:57 24 8
bbc
There wouldn't be these vaccines if the UK hadn't taken the risk and put in the money before they were developed.
RM
17/03/2021 21:59:37 1 0
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Why did the UK put in money in to companies in the EU but not in the UK to develop and produce the vaccines?
94
17/03/2021 15:49:08 22 9
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Happy to have a vaccine passport/cert type thing wherever i travel but I do not intend traveling anywhere within the EU this year.
76
17/03/2021 15:46:57 92 10
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Now you need a passport (vaccine certificate) to travel from one EU country to another.
95
17/03/2021 15:49:14 12 1
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When it suits them eh?!
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17/03/2021 15:35:13 153 209
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They want/need our cash.

But they’d rather not have us spewing up all over their streets.
96
17/03/2021 15:47:52 101 7
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Speak for yourself. Some of us can enjoy a civilised drink and keep civilised company.
399
17/03/2021 16:24:21 29 10
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I abide by the words on a plaque that used to be mounted in a bar where I once frequented It went something along these lines

‘This bar is dedicated to those Merry soles who make drinking a pleasure and a pastime and regardless of the strength and quantity of alcohol they have consumed and what is said to them, they always remain Gentlemen.’

Unfortunately the UK is the number 1 exporter of chavs
493
17/03/2021 16:35:09 11 3
bbc
Well said.
97
17/03/2021 15:48:21 13 2
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Not sure why the EU is griping about vaccines as the clowns have stopped using them at the moment. Please send them over here as we will use them. No doubt they will have the passport system apart from people from the UK. Bitter or what. It makes leaving so much sweeter.
114
17/03/2021 15:51:53 1 11
bbc
If you can't even understand the difference between EU and its sovereign (ehem!) member states I recommend you refrain from commenting on here.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
98
17/03/2021 15:48:51 12 2
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Given how contentious this issue is, how slow the EU are to organise anything AND how shambolic large government IT projects always are......there is ZERO chance of this being up and running for this summer. Add to that the fact that Covid infections are rising sharply in most European countries.
Just book a nice holiday within the UK and leave the Costas for next year.
71
17/03/2021 15:42:24 59 7
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Its simply staggering that Ursula von der Leyen is still threatening other countries and having a tantrum about vaccine exports/imports while the EU is sitting on millions of doses they refuse to use (for no good reason) and will probably have to throw away (while the rest of the world is crying out for it)!!
Has she any idea how bad she's making the EU look internationally?
99
17/03/2021 15:49:20 7 38
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EU are quite steadfast in their support for the AZ vaccine. Though I don't think Express, nor you, acknowledge that...

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/02/eu-tries-to-drum-up-support-for-unpopular-astrazeneca-shot.html
18/03/2021 07:18:49 1 1
bbc
Its a no win. What you are staying is the EU is so ineffective that despite leading the role out half its member states are ignoring it. So what's the point in it...
61
17/03/2021 15:45:23 92 321
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The British seem to be too busy breaking treaties that had been agreed to!
100
17/03/2021 15:49:31 60 5
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Was you sleeping during the EU/Northern Ireland vaccine incident then John?