Government sets out £1bn plan to cut industrial carbon emissions
17/03/2021 | news | business | 289
The government wants firms to waste less energy and develop low-carbon technologies.
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 10:48:21 14 2
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Even if that were true, the point you've missed is that our current lifestyles in the developed countries are completely unsustainable. This planet cannot give us a never ending supply of minerals / fossil fuels, they will all run out soon enough. We have to change, a lot
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17/03/2021 10:52:15 8 0
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Speed of change of climate.
Population.
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17/03/2021 11:13:12 3 1
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"It's the Sun Stupid"
Absolute codswallop. Only nutters like Piers Corbyn believes that.
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17/03/2021 11:17:10 3 2
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What utter tosh. You are either a troll or a flat earther or both I suspect.
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17/03/2021 11:16:55 2 0
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You oil industry plants are so easy to spot! The tide has turned against you, oil is now the past.
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17/03/2021 12:02:29 1 0
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CO2 levels were never at 4,500 ppm , 100,000 years ago - you dreamt that up. I don't think levels have been as high as they are now , in the existence of modern humans. The greenhouse effect of CO2 has been understood for about 150 years now , but some people are slow on the uptake.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:33:41 2 9
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UK government has set some noble sounding plans to cut carbon emissions.

This is great soundbite politics.

We must remember however that only a month ago the UK government approved the first new coal powered power station in 50 years.
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17/03/2021 10:42:47 9 0
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It was a coal mine, not a power station. We import coal for our back-up stations and steel works so using domestic supply is greener, but clearly something we need to get sorted too.
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17/03/2021 10:46:48 4 0
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Not a power station - where do you guys get this rubbish from? It's a mine for coking coal, not power coal.
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17/03/2021 11:09:32 1 0
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That's nonsense. The initial approval was by the local council. The English Secretary of State - not "the UK government" because planning is a devolved power - has said the final decision will be made after a public enquiry.
So at the moment there is no approval. And it will almost certainly be turned down in the end.
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17/03/2021 11:13:13 3 0
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Why do lefties tell fibs all the time? It was a coal mine, not a power station. And what do the locals think about it, You know, the red wall locals? With attitudes like yours I don't see them ever voting anything other than Conservative again.
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17/03/2021 10:39:54 3 5
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Similarly more R&D should be spent on making existing vehicles & lorries use more filtering tech than the dreamy, unsustainable & fake marketed Electric Vehicles being the answer. EV can be one more method of reducing but NOT the ONLY Method! Wholesale Petrol/Diesel Ban can, deplete the nonrenewable minerals (needed for Computers) exponentially, Electric Grids Crack & Huge End of Lifecycle Waste!
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17/03/2021 11:15:32 5 3
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Modern diesels are rather fragile and unreliable because of all that filtering technology. Which is why people are ditching them rapidly.
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17/03/2021 10:41:53 5 12
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"Government sets out £1bn plan to cut industrial carbon emissions"

Just £1 billion?

Obviously the Evil Tories do not have a clue about the scale of the problem.

Their drivel is all lies anyway.

Remember Cameron "Get rid of the green cr@p" after changing the Tory logo from a torch to a tree and pretending he wanted to protect the environment.

You can't believe a word these charlatans say.
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17/03/2021 11:11:31 11 2
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What have you done to cut your carbon footprint? Rather than just going 'blablabla Tories', what have you actually DONE?
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17/03/2021 12:04:10 0 0
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I don t believe you.
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17/03/2021 10:42:27 35 12
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Do you hear that everyone? That's the sound of another empty promise.

We'll do what we in the UK always do - hide the problem by outsourcing our manufacturing to another country, then complain about THEIR carbon footprint and how the UK doesn't have a manufacturing industry anymore.
Removed
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17/03/2021 11:08:32 5 2
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What exactly are you doing to reduce your impact on climate change? Nothing I expect, just the usual moaning.
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17/03/2021 12:03:28 1 1
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Yep thats why they wont do anything about Air travel, because London is based on 2 things City and Tourism.

Got to keep all those bars and coffee shops open
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17/03/2021 12:51:27 0 0
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I guess they’ll be releasing Green proposal announcements in bits and drabs right up until COP26 Glasgow when they’ll be able to test the water with every other country there on how to tackle this issue of 51 BILLION TONS of CO2e PER YEAR dumped into the atmosphere, then decided just how little they can really get away with??
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17/03/2021 18:06:00 0 0
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...stay hopeful we won't outsource these pollutions & keep badgering all politicians in the nicest possible way.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:33:41 2 9
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UK government has set some noble sounding plans to cut carbon emissions.

This is great soundbite politics.

We must remember however that only a month ago the UK government approved the first new coal powered power station in 50 years.
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17/03/2021 10:42:47 9 0
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It was a coal mine, not a power station. We import coal for our back-up stations and steel works so using domestic supply is greener, but clearly something we need to get sorted too.
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17/03/2021 10:45:48 4 8
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We need to stop extracting unnecessarily more and more non renewable resources such as Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc to create massive batteries as WE WILL RUN OUT!

If we run out, we cannot build Computers and any other necessary Electronic Devices!

We cannot make the PC, Laptop and Phones via Petrol/Diesel! So DONT Peddle unresearched and less than 10yr old tech just because Mr Musk Said So!
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17/03/2021 10:49:55 3 1
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My electric car is nearly ten years old and runs fine. The companies will find ways around the materials, there's plenty of innovation in the space. This sounds like the worry in the 70s that we were running out of oil... the market found plenty of new sources.
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17/03/2021 10:52:08 2 0
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We need the lithium to breed tritium in fusion reactors

We have about 1000 years worth
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17/03/2021 11:19:11 1 1
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Lithium that is recyclable just like coal and oil you mean?
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17/03/2021 11:13:56 1 0
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.................said a spokesman for the oil industry.
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17/03/2021 17:16:58 0 0
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The Lithium doesn't go anywhere. At the moment it is cheaper to extract new rather than recycle but this will change as techniques improve and more batteries become unusable.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:33:41 2 9
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UK government has set some noble sounding plans to cut carbon emissions.

This is great soundbite politics.

We must remember however that only a month ago the UK government approved the first new coal powered power station in 50 years.
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17/03/2021 10:46:48 4 0
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Not a power station - where do you guys get this rubbish from? It's a mine for coking coal, not power coal.
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17/03/2021 10:47:02 7 6
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This is too little. Our competitors in France/Germany etc. are already helping their steel and industrial companies move to carbon free production. If we don't get in the game we'll lose the ability to have British companies develop the innovations to sell to the world. We'll end up paying them for the equipment (like we do wind and nuclear energy) or importing finished products as our works shut.
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17/03/2021 11:17:52 15 3
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Germany that are still bringing coal fired power stations online you mean?
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17/03/2021 11:10:46 4 1
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Germany. Hahahahahahaha. Brown coal and Russian gas. Yeah, all Germany does is green washing, nothing practical.
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 10:48:21 14 2
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Even if that were true, the point you've missed is that our current lifestyles in the developed countries are completely unsustainable. This planet cannot give us a never ending supply of minerals / fossil fuels, they will all run out soon enough. We have to change, a lot
Not sure what your comment "even if that were true", it's fact a scientific fact! Of Minerals are Fossil Fuels will run out at some point, 30 years ago they said we would have by now!!! What YOU are missing is C02 is not evil, in fact it's great for the planet and plants, that's why commercial greenhouses raise C02 to IRO 2,500ppm, which also reduces water consumption. Clever hey.
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17/03/2021 10:49:26 9 8
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Instead of this largesse of free money for people's houses and businesses, the gov needs to have a tax escalator on carbon (a carbon tax) that will make gas, petrol, diesel and non-renewable electricity significantly more expensive over the next 10-15 years - people will know where it is going and can decide to invest accordingly.
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17/03/2021 11:10:09 12 7
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Yep, tax the gas guzzlers off the road. Most people don't need the ugly big cars that they drive.
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17/03/2021 10:45:48 4 8
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We need to stop extracting unnecessarily more and more non renewable resources such as Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc to create massive batteries as WE WILL RUN OUT!

If we run out, we cannot build Computers and any other necessary Electronic Devices!

We cannot make the PC, Laptop and Phones via Petrol/Diesel! So DONT Peddle unresearched and less than 10yr old tech just because Mr Musk Said So!
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17/03/2021 10:49:55 3 1
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My electric car is nearly ten years old and runs fine. The companies will find ways around the materials, there's plenty of innovation in the space. This sounds like the worry in the 70s that we were running out of oil... the market found plenty of new sources.
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17/03/2021 10:56:37 1 3
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Do some research and you will see. I am not saying this without researching and dont expect companies to always find a way unless it makes them money or there is a regulatory push!

If they can always find a way, why havent they found a way to remove CO2 and NO2 ?

Do some research and will see how we will run out of minerals exponentially! And, what is the strategy for recycling your battery ;)
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17/03/2021 10:45:48 4 8
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We need to stop extracting unnecessarily more and more non renewable resources such as Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc to create massive batteries as WE WILL RUN OUT!

If we run out, we cannot build Computers and any other necessary Electronic Devices!

We cannot make the PC, Laptop and Phones via Petrol/Diesel! So DONT Peddle unresearched and less than 10yr old tech just because Mr Musk Said So!
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17/03/2021 10:52:08 2 0
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We need the lithium to breed tritium in fusion reactors

We have about 1000 years worth
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 10:52:15 8 0
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Speed of change of climate.
Population.
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17/03/2021 10:52:32 29 5
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Put Solar Panels all over the Apartment Blocks, Houses & Buildings. Make it compulsory requirement for all house builders to put Solar Panels &/r small wind turbines on top of the buildings so that we can steer away from Coal, Oil, Gas & Nuclear Energy! Make energy consumption sustainable!

Focus on Easy Wins. Dont shift it from Peter to Paul as extracting more minerals for EV is not the Answer!
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17/03/2021 11:01:03 15 5
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Problem is we reduce quartz with coal to make silicon like we do iron ore

And the panels degrade over 20 years
Not so logical thinker and here is why. We are still 70% reliant on fossil fuels and until you can store renewable energy effectively and also generate it when you need it, the reliance on fossil fuels will be here for many years to come. Texas recently experienced energy poverty, so if you don't plan then you run into serious issues i.e. how would you run a hospital without power !!!!
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17/03/2021 12:13:15 2 1
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We don’t really use coal now to got converted to natural gas.. also, wind and solar are great and all, until the clouds come in and the wind stops. We need to be realistic, everyone wants renewables but they don’t want to turn off their radiators
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17/03/2021 14:09:51 0 0
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Agreed about solar panels on buildings but just make sure they are not flammable
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17/03/2021 10:56:05 15 6
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Biggest issue most 'industries' have is if the money is flowing in to shareholders no one wants to change.

Take the housing industry - its primary function is to make money, the houses are almost a waste product as it moves across the land crapping out little brick boxes that havent really changed in 70 years.

Every new build should have solar GSHP and an architects design not a pattern book.
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17/03/2021 11:00:58 4 8
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Re housebuilding, its the planners that state whether it would require GSHP or PV... not the house builder, many house builders are private and not public... Personally i would never buy a house with PV on it.
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17/03/2021 11:15:51 1 5
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"little brick boxes that havent really changed in 70 years."

lol. Clueless guff.
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17/03/2021 14:07:19 2 2
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Utterly clueless.
Ground Source heat pumps are not always appropriate, but you would have known that if you did **any** research rather than just regurgitating fact less comments from XR & co.

Same with Solar power, and the added issue is that storage is more of a problem. Unless you cracked how to store TWh energy for sessional issues?
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17/03/2021 10:49:55 3 1
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My electric car is nearly ten years old and runs fine. The companies will find ways around the materials, there's plenty of innovation in the space. This sounds like the worry in the 70s that we were running out of oil... the market found plenty of new sources.
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17/03/2021 10:56:37 1 3
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Do some research and you will see. I am not saying this without researching and dont expect companies to always find a way unless it makes them money or there is a regulatory push!

If they can always find a way, why havent they found a way to remove CO2 and NO2 ?

Do some research and will see how we will run out of minerals exponentially! And, what is the strategy for recycling your battery ;)
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17/03/2021 11:14:45 1 0
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If we do enough research we might find out which oil industry lobbyist group you work for!
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17/03/2021 10:56:05 15 6
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Biggest issue most 'industries' have is if the money is flowing in to shareholders no one wants to change.

Take the housing industry - its primary function is to make money, the houses are almost a waste product as it moves across the land crapping out little brick boxes that havent really changed in 70 years.

Every new build should have solar GSHP and an architects design not a pattern book.
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17/03/2021 11:00:58 4 8
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Re housebuilding, its the planners that state whether it would require GSHP or PV... not the house builder, many house builders are private and not public... Personally i would never buy a house with PV on it.
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17/03/2021 12:22:52 2 0
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Why?
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17/03/2021 10:52:32 29 5
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Put Solar Panels all over the Apartment Blocks, Houses & Buildings. Make it compulsory requirement for all house builders to put Solar Panels &/r small wind turbines on top of the buildings so that we can steer away from Coal, Oil, Gas & Nuclear Energy! Make energy consumption sustainable!

Focus on Easy Wins. Dont shift it from Peter to Paul as extracting more minerals for EV is not the Answer!
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17/03/2021 11:01:03 15 5
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Problem is we reduce quartz with coal to make silicon like we do iron ore

And the panels degrade over 20 years
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17/03/2021 13:39:47 2 1
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That is indeed true, but hopefully in 10yrs or so an industry for refurbishing solar panels will pop up. the glass and the aluminium frame will be fine after 20yrs and with a new layer of cells will last another 20yrs
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17/03/2021 11:03:41 10 6
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A nod in the right direction. But when the big money coporations get to work with their behind-closed-doors lobbying, who knows the outcome?

This, and short electoral cycles is why capitalism has become so poisonous - that Governments no longer take decisions in the best long term interests of their peoples, but instead in close alignment with the short term financial interests of their backers
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17/03/2021 14:22:49 5 3
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Remind me how dirty USSR was?
Or how many coal power stations China is still building? Or how much power in China is being produced by coal. Just to the nearest 1000 GW would do.

Capitalism has done more to lift people out of poverty than the alternatives.
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17/03/2021 11:06:32 2 3
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Rather than EV I'd suggest forcing oil companies to sequester carbon equivalent to the emissions from the production and use of their product

In fact, make it a 2:1 ratio
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:33:41 2 9
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UK government has set some noble sounding plans to cut carbon emissions.

This is great soundbite politics.

We must remember however that only a month ago the UK government approved the first new coal powered power station in 50 years.
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17/03/2021 11:09:32 1 0
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That's nonsense. The initial approval was by the local council. The English Secretary of State - not "the UK government" because planning is a devolved power - has said the final decision will be made after a public enquiry.
So at the moment there is no approval. And it will almost certainly be turned down in the end.
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17/03/2021 11:10:28 1 4
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So, £1bn for loft insulation

Whoopee
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SJ
17/03/2021 11:12:39 3 5
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A drop in the ocean. Clearly getting from Birmingham to London a few minutes faster is a higher priority, or a flag filled blue press room for a new taxpayer funded yet party appointed spokesperson, or continued road building. A mess.

What is needed is consitency, ending government support to industrial and construction projects which do not give a carbon payback within the next ten years.
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 11:13:12 3 1
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"It's the Sun Stupid"
Absolute codswallop. Only nutters like Piers Corbyn believes that.
Whether you like Piers Corbyn or not (i'm indifferent), he knows his stuff and with a degree in Physics I bet he understands the 2nd law of thermodynamics better than you or I, which disproves the greenhouse gas theory in it's own right. In fact he was that good a predicting weather, the bookies would no longer take bets from him. How do you like those apples...
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17/03/2021 10:52:32 29 5
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Put Solar Panels all over the Apartment Blocks, Houses & Buildings. Make it compulsory requirement for all house builders to put Solar Panels &/r small wind turbines on top of the buildings so that we can steer away from Coal, Oil, Gas & Nuclear Energy! Make energy consumption sustainable!

Focus on Easy Wins. Dont shift it from Peter to Paul as extracting more minerals for EV is not the Answer!
Not so logical thinker and here is why. We are still 70% reliant on fossil fuels and until you can store renewable energy effectively and also generate it when you need it, the reliance on fossil fuels will be here for many years to come. Texas recently experienced energy poverty, so if you don't plan then you run into serious issues i.e. how would you run a hospital without power !!!!
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17/03/2021 14:10:39 4 1
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Scientists say we can provide most of our energy needs through renewables...

http://www.skepticalscience.com/print.php?r=374

"Borrowing" money now is incredibly cheap and our government has the best opportunity it will ever have to ensure our energy needs are met for the decades to come by investing now.

It will also stimulate the economy and provide 1000s of jobs. Get on with it!
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17/03/2021 11:14:49 17 7
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Fuel duty imposes a £200/tesCO2 cost to driving a petrol car - yet still electric cars are more expensive in total ownership terms from new and save very little CO2 on lifetime analysis - unless you assume all the electricity going into them was wind. You can't assume that since EV's are additional electricity demand so met be incremental gas power stations.
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17/03/2021 11:17:42 16 21
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ICE cars will soon be relegated to museums and summer fete displays. Get over it.
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17/03/2021 12:44:39 5 2
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Please cite your sources when comparing the TCP of a ICE vehicle and an EV. Most reputable (i.e. not funded by an oil company) studies show that the costs are either the same or actually tilting towards the EV being a cheaper TCO over 10 years. I know that my EV uses 100% renewable electricity. Most of it comes from my own solar panels. The rest from a guaranteed renewable source.
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17/03/2021 17:57:01 0 0
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That's wrong on lifetime, an EV is 100 times better. Mine is 100% charged on renewable electricy and charged during lowest demand. That additional electricity demand is balanced by the fact nobody wants the electricity at night time and lower transportation costs for petrol/diesel that I would've used. Oil is lost from the moment its drilled, refined and evaporation before it hits the pump.
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17/03/2021 10:56:05 15 6
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Biggest issue most 'industries' have is if the money is flowing in to shareholders no one wants to change.

Take the housing industry - its primary function is to make money, the houses are almost a waste product as it moves across the land crapping out little brick boxes that havent really changed in 70 years.

Every new build should have solar GSHP and an architects design not a pattern book.
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17/03/2021 11:15:51 1 5
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"little brick boxes that havent really changed in 70 years."

lol. Clueless guff.
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 11:17:10 3 2
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What utter tosh. You are either a troll or a flat earther or both I suspect.
Ignorance is bliss, you must be living in bliss. Don't follow the heard, do your own research or just refer to climategate, new zealandgate, the debunked hockey stick effect etc... all instances of manipulating data to fit an agenda. I think YOU may be the troll of work for the UNIPCC???
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17/03/2021 11:47:51 2 0
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Oil industry employee I expect. There are a lot of them about, the oil industry will soon go into rapid decline so they are using some of their wealth to try and prop it up. They also bang on about hydrogen quite a bit, and carbon capture and all sorts of nonsense. Ignore them.
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17/03/2021 10:47:02 7 6
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This is too little. Our competitors in France/Germany etc. are already helping their steel and industrial companies move to carbon free production. If we don't get in the game we'll lose the ability to have British companies develop the innovations to sell to the world. We'll end up paying them for the equipment (like we do wind and nuclear energy) or importing finished products as our works shut.
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17/03/2021 11:17:52 15 3
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Germany that are still bringing coal fired power stations online you mean?
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17/03/2021 11:40:30 1 2
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This HYS is about UK
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17/03/2021 11:17:58 49 10
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Anyone looked at their gas/electricity bill? Per unit of energy you are paying 3 times as much for electricity as you are for gas. Convert your home to electric heating - watch your energy bill go from £600 for gas to £1800+ for electricity (on top of your current electricity bill). That is what decarbonisation costs, and the costs will fall on the end consumer.
Correct Daft Bob - I would call it a stealth tax, but I am not sure of the stealth element! People are getting behind the "C02 Agenda" but don't understand there is no proven science behind it; however, they will pay the price.. be careful what you wish for people.
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17/03/2021 12:26:25 7 1
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I installed ground source heat pump, underfloor heating as the E10 tariff made it worthwhile, only to find electric company's now don't like the E10 tariff and have raised prices hugely, back to using the calor gas heater!
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17/03/2021 12:36:59 6 9
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Guess your from the ant-renewables crowd always shortsighted, jam today and something for nothing. Which is better cheap and dirty fossil fuels with few jobs created or as a society we have maybe slightly more expensive clean sustainable alternative energy sources creating millions of jobs? ??
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17/03/2021 13:35:18 8 4
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It's nothing new for electricity to cost more per therm than gas. In fact, it's been the case for aeons.

There may very well be an increase in the size of bills as we shift away from gas, but in the long-term the price of renewables will continue, notice the word continue, to fall.

So one must ask what your agenda is?
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iop
17/03/2021 13:30:45 8 2
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This misses the fact that gas boilers are around 90% efficient and heat pumps are over 300% efficient.
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17/03/2021 13:48:34 8 3
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The world’s best solar power schemes now offer the “cheapest…electricity in history” with the technology cheaper than coal and gas in most major countries.

That is according to the International Energy Agency’s World Energy Outlook 2020.

https://skepticalscience.com/solar-cheapest-in-history-iea.html
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17/03/2021 14:36:27 1 1
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the 'greener' gases being touted e.g. hydrogen, biomethane mixes for domestic heating and cooking... require higher volumes (has lower CV) of gas going through the gas meter to achieve the same energy content of mains (methane) gas... watch those end-consumer bills rise. I suppose that is one incentive to use less energy?
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17/03/2021 16:21:05 0 0
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Funnily enough I just did. I appreciate that the wife could be set on fire and still she'd be cold but considering we have all electrical appliances and four in the household with all the devices, we do seem to be paying a substantial amount more for gas each and every month.
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17/03/2021 16:57:01 0 0
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But a heat pump gives you about 3kWh of heat for each kWh of electricity so it works out about the same - especially as a gas boiler is not 100% efficient. Insulation is the key - that really brings the bills (and emmisions) down.
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vk
17/03/2021 17:49:44 0 0
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Very true on cost but efficiency is very different, if you don't do any insulation at the same time then it costs the same. Ramp up your insulation you save money and the pricey gas standing charge if you switch your water too.
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18/03/2021 08:22:25 0 0
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Not just the rising costs, the energy regulators are planning supply interruption tariffs, because green energy is not reliable. Smart meters are all about dynamic pricing, changing tariffs every 30 mins as demand rises until you are switched off when you can't afford to the tariff.
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17/03/2021 10:48:21 14 2
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Even if that were true, the point you've missed is that our current lifestyles in the developed countries are completely unsustainable. This planet cannot give us a never ending supply of minerals / fossil fuels, they will all run out soon enough. We have to change, a lot
Not sure what your comment "even if that were true", it's fact a scientific fact! Of Minerals are Fossil Fuels will run out at some point, 30 years ago they said we would have by now!!! What YOU are missing is C02 is not evil, in fact it's great for the planet and plants, that's why commercial greenhouses raise C02 to IRO 2,500ppm, which also reduces water consumption. Clever hey.
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17/03/2021 10:45:48 4 8
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We need to stop extracting unnecessarily more and more non renewable resources such as Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc to create massive batteries as WE WILL RUN OUT!

If we run out, we cannot build Computers and any other necessary Electronic Devices!

We cannot make the PC, Laptop and Phones via Petrol/Diesel! So DONT Peddle unresearched and less than 10yr old tech just because Mr Musk Said So!
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17/03/2021 11:19:11 1 1
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Lithium that is recyclable just like coal and oil you mean?
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17/03/2021 10:42:27 35 12
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Do you hear that everyone? That's the sound of another empty promise.

We'll do what we in the UK always do - hide the problem by outsourcing our manufacturing to another country, then complain about THEIR carbon footprint and how the UK doesn't have a manufacturing industry anymore.
Removed
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17/03/2021 11:13:12 3 1
bbc
"It's the Sun Stupid"
Absolute codswallop. Only nutters like Piers Corbyn believes that.
Whether you like Piers Corbyn or not (i'm indifferent), he knows his stuff and with a degree in Physics I bet he understands the 2nd law of thermodynamics better than you or I, which disproves the greenhouse gas theory in it's own right. In fact he was that good a predicting weather, the bookies would no longer take bets from him. How do you like those apples...
5
17/03/2021 10:42:27 35 12
bbc
Do you hear that everyone? That's the sound of another empty promise.

We'll do what we in the UK always do - hide the problem by outsourcing our manufacturing to another country, then complain about THEIR carbon footprint and how the UK doesn't have a manufacturing industry anymore.
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17/03/2021 11:08:32 5 2
bbc
What exactly are you doing to reduce your impact on climate change? Nothing I expect, just the usual moaning.
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17/03/2021 11:34:20 1 5
bbc
Insightful comment mate, well done.
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17/03/2021 11:36:17 9 1
bbc
I prefer to call it human impact change and the best thing we can do is draw a halt to population growth and try and reduce it the total population over time. No more than two will do and are there any environmentalists out there failing to practice what they preach and having more than two ?
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17/03/2021 10:49:26 9 8
bbc
Instead of this largesse of free money for people's houses and businesses, the gov needs to have a tax escalator on carbon (a carbon tax) that will make gas, petrol, diesel and non-renewable electricity significantly more expensive over the next 10-15 years - people will know where it is going and can decide to invest accordingly.
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17/03/2021 11:10:09 12 7
bbc
Yep, tax the gas guzzlers off the road. Most people don't need the ugly big cars that they drive.
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17/03/2021 11:36:31 2 2
bbc
oh dear and transit engines as well tell that to fords employees
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17/03/2021 10:47:02 7 6
bbc
This is too little. Our competitors in France/Germany etc. are already helping their steel and industrial companies move to carbon free production. If we don't get in the game we'll lose the ability to have British companies develop the innovations to sell to the world. We'll end up paying them for the equipment (like we do wind and nuclear energy) or importing finished products as our works shut.
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17/03/2021 11:10:46 4 1
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Germany. Hahahahahahaha. Brown coal and Russian gas. Yeah, all Germany does is green washing, nothing practical.
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17/03/2021 11:17:10 3 2
bbc
What utter tosh. You are either a troll or a flat earther or both I suspect.
Ignorance is bliss, you must be living in bliss. Don't follow the heard, do your own research or just refer to climategate, new zealandgate, the debunked hockey stick effect etc... all instances of manipulating data to fit an agenda. I think YOU may be the troll of work for the UNIPCC???
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17/03/2021 10:41:53 5 12
bbc
"Government sets out £1bn plan to cut industrial carbon emissions"

Just £1 billion?

Obviously the Evil Tories do not have a clue about the scale of the problem.

Their drivel is all lies anyway.

Remember Cameron "Get rid of the green cr@p" after changing the Tory logo from a torch to a tree and pretending he wanted to protect the environment.

You can't believe a word these charlatans say.
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17/03/2021 11:11:31 11 2
bbc
What have you done to cut your carbon footprint? Rather than just going 'blablabla Tories', what have you actually DONE?
60
17/03/2021 11:51:50 1 0
bbc
Our esteemed Revolutionary is kept fully occupied by the Class War. No time for other action - and no room for other ideas.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:33:41 2 9
bbc
UK government has set some noble sounding plans to cut carbon emissions.

This is great soundbite politics.

We must remember however that only a month ago the UK government approved the first new coal powered power station in 50 years.
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17/03/2021 11:13:13 3 0
bbc
Why do lefties tell fibs all the time? It was a coal mine, not a power station. And what do the locals think about it, You know, the red wall locals? With attitudes like yours I don't see them ever voting anything other than Conservative again.
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17/03/2021 10:45:48 4 8
bbc
We need to stop extracting unnecessarily more and more non renewable resources such as Lithium, Nickel, Cobalt, etc to create massive batteries as WE WILL RUN OUT!

If we run out, we cannot build Computers and any other necessary Electronic Devices!

We cannot make the PC, Laptop and Phones via Petrol/Diesel! So DONT Peddle unresearched and less than 10yr old tech just because Mr Musk Said So!
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17/03/2021 11:13:56 1 0
bbc
.................said a spokesman for the oil industry.
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17/03/2021 10:56:37 1 3
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Do some research and you will see. I am not saying this without researching and dont expect companies to always find a way unless it makes them money or there is a regulatory push!

If they can always find a way, why havent they found a way to remove CO2 and NO2 ?

Do some research and will see how we will run out of minerals exponentially! And, what is the strategy for recycling your battery ;)
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17/03/2021 11:14:45 1 0
bbc
If we do enough research we might find out which oil industry lobbyist group you work for!
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17/03/2021 10:39:54 3 5
bbc
Similarly more R&D should be spent on making existing vehicles & lorries use more filtering tech than the dreamy, unsustainable & fake marketed Electric Vehicles being the answer. EV can be one more method of reducing but NOT the ONLY Method! Wholesale Petrol/Diesel Ban can, deplete the nonrenewable minerals (needed for Computers) exponentially, Electric Grids Crack & Huge End of Lifecycle Waste!
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17/03/2021 11:15:32 5 3
bbc
Modern diesels are rather fragile and unreliable because of all that filtering technology. Which is why people are ditching them rapidly.
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17/03/2021 13:54:17 0 0
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Only paying £20 pa for my Adblu Citroen diesel! Beat that! So clean!
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 11:16:55 2 0
bbc
You oil industry plants are so easy to spot! The tide has turned against you, oil is now the past.
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17/03/2021 11:14:49 17 7
bbc
Fuel duty imposes a £200/tesCO2 cost to driving a petrol car - yet still electric cars are more expensive in total ownership terms from new and save very little CO2 on lifetime analysis - unless you assume all the electricity going into them was wind. You can't assume that since EV's are additional electricity demand so met be incremental gas power stations.
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17/03/2021 11:17:42 16 21
bbc
ICE cars will soon be relegated to museums and summer fete displays. Get over it.
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17/03/2021 13:47:27 4 3
bbc
No they won’t. Energy density wins
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17/03/2021 22:07:09 2 0
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And where is your electricity coming from - the non existant new nuclear stations???
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18/03/2021 07:25:04 0 0
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I think not and you know that too
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17/03/2021 11:08:32 5 2
bbc
What exactly are you doing to reduce your impact on climate change? Nothing I expect, just the usual moaning.
47
17/03/2021 11:34:20 1 5
bbc
Insightful comment mate, well done.
36
17/03/2021 11:08:32 5 2
bbc
What exactly are you doing to reduce your impact on climate change? Nothing I expect, just the usual moaning.
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17/03/2021 11:36:17 9 1
bbc
I prefer to call it human impact change and the best thing we can do is draw a halt to population growth and try and reduce it the total population over time. No more than two will do and are there any environmentalists out there failing to practice what they preach and having more than two ?
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17/03/2021 11:50:20 3 3
bbc
Tell that to our PM with his 6 kids (that we know of) so far.

Leaders would have to implement suckle rules, and ours clearly wouldn't
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17/03/2021 14:35:13 0 1
bbc
Most of the eco-types I know have more than 2 kids, plus cats, a larger than normal car(s) and a subscription to Momentum??

They of course wont be happy with the extra money, as they seem to expect it for free.
37
17/03/2021 11:10:09 12 7
bbc
Yep, tax the gas guzzlers off the road. Most people don't need the ugly big cars that they drive.
49
17/03/2021 11:36:31 2 2
bbc
oh dear and transit engines as well tell that to fords employees
56
17/03/2021 11:49:29 2 0
bbc
Commercial operators buy the most cost-effective vehicle for the job. Car drivers also base their purchases on fashion/vanity/willie-waving/jealousy/whatever.
50
17/03/2021 11:37:44 8 10
bbc
No worries Government should achieve that the British economy is crumbling into the dust, mountains of red tape, lock downs, Businesses relocating to EU or selling up for good.
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17/03/2021 13:36:27 2 1
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think you should too, before that chip on your shoulder does you real damage
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17/03/2021 11:40:19 4 15
bbc
Would that be the same Government that wants more Nukes for frying the earth?
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17/03/2021 12:02:39 12 1
bbc
No,the Government which wants more weapons to ensure that doesn't happen.
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17/03/2021 11:17:52 15 3
bbc
Germany that are still bringing coal fired power stations online you mean?
52
17/03/2021 11:40:30 1 2
bbc
This HYS is about UK
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17/03/2021 11:17:58 49 10
bbc
Anyone looked at their gas/electricity bill? Per unit of energy you are paying 3 times as much for electricity as you are for gas. Convert your home to electric heating - watch your energy bill go from £600 for gas to £1800+ for electricity (on top of your current electricity bill). That is what decarbonisation costs, and the costs will fall on the end consumer.
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17/03/2021 11:45:22 23 25
bbc
Correct Daft Bob - I would call it a stealth tax, but I am not sure of the stealth element! People are getting behind the "C02 Agenda" but don't understand there is no proven science behind it; however, they will pay the price.. be careful what you wish for people.
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17/03/2021 13:38:13 11 4
bbc
Only non-scientists and shills argue with the peer reviewed, overwhelming scientific evidence about human influence on global warming. This website is great at defeating every "argument" these industry lackeys, or trolls, produce:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php

I don't accept deniers are merely voicing an opinion. Opinions should be based on verifiable substance. They have none!
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17/03/2021 14:44:54 2 1
bbc
"People are getting behind the "C02[sic] Agenda" but don't understand there is no proven science behind it"

Statement on Climate Change from 18 Scientific Associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver."
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18/03/2021 08:33:48 0 0
bbc
And your proposed alternative is? Let climate change happen and our children pay for it. Not very loving there
54
17/03/2021 11:47:21 3 4
bbc
Johnson making billions of sterling bonfires all paid for by PAYE public, do any of these PR Headlines come with a plan and a white paper on how it will be achieve all costed and peer reviewed?
55
17/03/2021 11:48:10 4 5
bbc
The atmosphere is being destroyed by the CFC that comes from billions of cans of spray paint used by graffiti vandals in every urban area in the world. And yes banksy is one of them!
59
17/03/2021 11:51:14 10 1
bbc
You mean the thing that was banned years ago across most of the world and has seen the Ozone layer slowly close up? Have you been asleep for a while?
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17/03/2021 13:10:29 0 0
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I wanted to give you a thumbs up for calling Banksy a grafitti vandal, but CFC's have not been used for years.... providing you exclude the large manufacturing plants in china that don't exist but create massif clouds of cfc...
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17/03/2021 14:19:25 1 0
bbc
The only source of CFC is recent years was China. This is despite CCP agreeing to the ban of CFC.

Initially they of course denied it, then when the satellite images were provided as evidence they made their usual excuses of blaming the West etc etc etc.
49
17/03/2021 11:36:31 2 2
bbc
oh dear and transit engines as well tell that to fords employees
56
17/03/2021 11:49:29 2 0
bbc
Commercial operators buy the most cost-effective vehicle for the job. Car drivers also base their purchases on fashion/vanity/willie-waving/jealousy/whatever.
75
17/03/2021 12:06:38 3 0
bbc
I have noticed that there are often flashier cars outside social housing than big detached houses. Some people make the wrong priorities.
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17/03/2021 11:36:17 9 1
bbc
I prefer to call it human impact change and the best thing we can do is draw a halt to population growth and try and reduce it the total population over time. No more than two will do and are there any environmentalists out there failing to practice what they preach and having more than two ?
57
17/03/2021 11:50:20 3 3
bbc
Tell that to our PM with his 6 kids (that we know of) so far.

Leaders would have to implement suckle rules, and ours clearly wouldn't
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17/03/2021 11:51:10 11 4
bbc
Wow a whole £1,000,000,000 only a £150,000,000 more than the Eat Out To Spread About Scheme.
Probably less than the "Free Money £10,000 Holiday Let Scheme"
No doubt the successful contract "bidders" are already in line for the hand outs.

From the same people that brought you the Affordable Housing Pledge (Still none built)
On about Reducing Airport Duty etc.
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17/03/2021 11:48:10 4 5
bbc
The atmosphere is being destroyed by the CFC that comes from billions of cans of spray paint used by graffiti vandals in every urban area in the world. And yes banksy is one of them!
59
17/03/2021 11:51:14 10 1
bbc
You mean the thing that was banned years ago across most of the world and has seen the Ozone layer slowly close up? Have you been asleep for a while?
40
17/03/2021 11:11:31 11 2
bbc
What have you done to cut your carbon footprint? Rather than just going 'blablabla Tories', what have you actually DONE?
60
17/03/2021 11:51:50 1 0
bbc
Our esteemed Revolutionary is kept fully occupied by the Class War. No time for other action - and no room for other ideas.
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17/03/2021 11:58:34 2 2
bbc
G7 in Cornwall is the perfect time for Security Council members to sign what could be called the Cream Tea treaty, a treaty to spend what they would on increasing nuclear weapons, on major environmental infrastructure projects instead.
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17/03/2021 12:08:29 1 2
bbc
As long as it is jam first!
29
17/03/2021 11:17:10 3 2
bbc
What utter tosh. You are either a troll or a flat earther or both I suspect.
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17/03/2021 11:47:51 2 0
bbc
Oil industry employee I expect. There are a lot of them about, the oil industry will soon go into rapid decline so they are using some of their wealth to try and prop it up. They also bang on about hydrogen quite a bit, and carbon capture and all sorts of nonsense. Ignore them.
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17/03/2021 12:00:44 24 11
bbc
Whilst Germany, China, America, Russia, Africa and others carry on running existing and building new coal-fired power stations that help them keep energy costs for industry down.
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17/03/2021 12:36:11 23 18
bbc
Absolutely. Still, that kind of sentiment will fall on deaf ears among the metropolitan left and woke who are driving stuff like this. Most of 'em never having set foot in a factory, ever.
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17/03/2021 16:01:49 1 1
bbc
Are you the bloke I caught last week, dumping his domestic rubbish down the lane out of the boot of his car? The one who said he was going to carry on doing it because someone had dumped a whole van-load further along, and that made it alright? Do you remember the name I called you?
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17/03/2021 22:05:32 0 0
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And the UK's new coal mine???
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18/03/2021 11:54:22 0 0
bbc
Correct, for every coal power station shut in the west, China, Asia and Africa are building 5 new ones. It's a transfer of wealth and jobs to the third world.
Q I bet none of you know what current C02 Levels are?
A about 450ppm
Over 100,000 years ago C02 levels were in excess of 4,500ppm (x10 higher than current levels), with no man-made C02 (negligible).
Fact = climate does change and has done so for the last 4.5 billion years and the biggest influence is the Sun and Sun Spots, as they say "it's the Sun Stupid".
Stop being sheep people.
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17/03/2021 12:02:29 1 0
bbc
CO2 levels were never at 4,500 ppm , 100,000 years ago - you dreamt that up. I don't think levels have been as high as they are now , in the existence of modern humans. The greenhouse effect of CO2 has been understood for about 150 years now , but some people are slow on the uptake.
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17/03/2021 11:40:19 4 15
bbc
Would that be the same Government that wants more Nukes for frying the earth?
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17/03/2021 12:02:39 12 1
bbc
No,the Government which wants more weapons to ensure that doesn't happen.
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Pip
17/03/2021 15:10:19 0 0
bbc
So, there'll be no retaliation to the first one dropped, we can be mutually assured that won't happen..........?
5
17/03/2021 10:42:27 35 12
bbc
Do you hear that everyone? That's the sound of another empty promise.

We'll do what we in the UK always do - hide the problem by outsourcing our manufacturing to another country, then complain about THEIR carbon footprint and how the UK doesn't have a manufacturing industry anymore.
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17/03/2021 12:03:28 1 1
bbc
Yep thats why they wont do anything about Air travel, because London is based on 2 things City and Tourism.

Got to keep all those bars and coffee shops open
4
17/03/2021 10:41:53 5 12
bbc
"Government sets out £1bn plan to cut industrial carbon emissions"

Just £1 billion?

Obviously the Evil Tories do not have a clue about the scale of the problem.

Their drivel is all lies anyway.

Remember Cameron "Get rid of the green cr@p" after changing the Tory logo from a torch to a tree and pretending he wanted to protect the environment.

You can't believe a word these charlatans say.
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17/03/2021 12:04:10 0 0
bbc
I don t believe you.
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17/03/2021 11:58:34 2 2
bbc
G7 in Cornwall is the perfect time for Security Council members to sign what could be called the Cream Tea treaty, a treaty to spend what they would on increasing nuclear weapons, on major environmental infrastructure projects instead.
68
17/03/2021 12:08:29 1 2
bbc
As long as it is jam first!
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17/03/2021 13:06:27 1 0
bbc
I think you are both confusing Cornwall for Devon. Its a Devonshire Cream Tea after all, Cornwall is Pasties.
69
17/03/2021 12:11:21 17 3
bbc
Roll on huge price hikes (including the £120 annual energy price rise I just received in the post) oh and the 5% council tax hike ??
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17/03/2021 16:34:13 4 1
bbc
My energy bill (from a green supplier) just came down by £25 a month.. I suggest you switch.
252
18/03/2021 07:24:27 0 0
bbc
My council tax has just risen by a massive £34...per annum. I wasn't expecting that!
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17/03/2021 10:52:32 29 5
bbc
Put Solar Panels all over the Apartment Blocks, Houses & Buildings. Make it compulsory requirement for all house builders to put Solar Panels &/r small wind turbines on top of the buildings so that we can steer away from Coal, Oil, Gas & Nuclear Energy! Make energy consumption sustainable!

Focus on Easy Wins. Dont shift it from Peter to Paul as extracting more minerals for EV is not the Answer!
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17/03/2021 12:13:15 2 1
bbc
We don’t really use coal now to got converted to natural gas.. also, wind and solar are great and all, until the clouds come in and the wind stops. We need to be realistic, everyone wants renewables but they don’t want to turn off their radiators
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17/03/2021 11:00:58 4 8
bbc
Re housebuilding, its the planners that state whether it would require GSHP or PV... not the house builder, many house builders are private and not public... Personally i would never buy a house with PV on it.
71
17/03/2021 12:22:52 2 0
bbc
Why?
72
17/03/2021 12:23:14 4 2
bbc
Can I ask, that you stop covering Caithness in wind farms, then have the cheek to charge us the highest kwh prices due to increased transmission costs!!
73
17/03/2021 12:24:15 2 2
bbc
The government does not want you to be in the red, the government wants you to be in the green.
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17/03/2021 11:17:58 49 10
bbc
Anyone looked at their gas/electricity bill? Per unit of energy you are paying 3 times as much for electricity as you are for gas. Convert your home to electric heating - watch your energy bill go from £600 for gas to £1800+ for electricity (on top of your current electricity bill). That is what decarbonisation costs, and the costs will fall on the end consumer.
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17/03/2021 12:26:25 7 1
bbc
I installed ground source heat pump, underfloor heating as the E10 tariff made it worthwhile, only to find electric company's now don't like the E10 tariff and have raised prices hugely, back to using the calor gas heater!
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vk
17/03/2021 17:50:51 0 0
bbc
Switch supplier! Octopus do a very good tariff for you
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17/03/2021 18:15:51 0 0
bbc
...one day not too long from now you'll have a pleasing surprise then in my opinion.
56
17/03/2021 11:49:29 2 0
bbc
Commercial operators buy the most cost-effective vehicle for the job. Car drivers also base their purchases on fashion/vanity/willie-waving/jealousy/whatever.
75
17/03/2021 12:06:38 3 0
bbc
I have noticed that there are often flashier cars outside social housing than big detached houses. Some people make the wrong priorities.
254
18/03/2021 07:32:09 0 0
bbc
Their choice. I have both - my choice
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Ian
17/03/2021 12:36:07 28 6
bbc
I run a manufacturing business. We want to build a new factory embracing green tech. However, there is NO support out there to help with this. These technologies remain far too under developed to be viable. Solar panels degrade and are very hard to deal with at end-of-life. And NCAP now say that some petrol and diesel cars are actualy greener than a Prius!! All that glistens is not 'green'
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17/03/2021 13:03:48 5 12
bbc
And just as we get close to the perfect 'green' lifestyle, a super-volcano will erupt and block-out the sun for decades. The next eruption of these things is actually now overdue. Or maybe an asteroid will set things back.
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17/03/2021 16:31:10 0 0
bbc
A Prius certainly not green.. its only zero emission at parking speed and the weight of a petrol engine and an electric motor and battery mean it gussles fuel and is sluggish when you accelerate.

Hybrids are not green. If you want to drive green go 100% electric.
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17/03/2021 12:00:44 24 11
bbc
Whilst Germany, China, America, Russia, Africa and others carry on running existing and building new coal-fired power stations that help them keep energy costs for industry down.
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17/03/2021 12:36:11 23 18
bbc
Absolutely. Still, that kind of sentiment will fall on deaf ears among the metropolitan left and woke who are driving stuff like this. Most of 'em never having set foot in a factory, ever.
84
17/03/2021 13:02:18 3 2
bbc
I think it's more the metropolitan hard right no doubt Johnson will start lighting a another sterling bonfire where billions vanish never to be seen again. expect to see friend and family of the tory party line up to collect their 'green' envelopes stuffed with cash
87
17/03/2021 12:50:46 2 2
bbc
If you'd ever been in a factory you would know it is full of us.
113
17/03/2021 13:55:55 3 2
bbc
The far right love using silly meaningless childish comments about the metropolitan elite and woke. One day they'll actually become intellectual and debate the issues!
31
17/03/2021 11:17:58 49 10
bbc
Anyone looked at their gas/electricity bill? Per unit of energy you are paying 3 times as much for electricity as you are for gas. Convert your home to electric heating - watch your energy bill go from £600 for gas to £1800+ for electricity (on top of your current electricity bill). That is what decarbonisation costs, and the costs will fall on the end consumer.
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17/03/2021 12:36:59 6 9
bbc
Guess your from the ant-renewables crowd always shortsighted, jam today and something for nothing. Which is better cheap and dirty fossil fuels with few jobs created or as a society we have maybe slightly more expensive clean sustainable alternative energy sources creating millions of jobs? ??
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17/03/2021 14:01:34 1 1
bbc
Please define "slightly".
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17/03/2021 11:14:49 17 7
bbc
Fuel duty imposes a £200/tesCO2 cost to driving a petrol car - yet still electric cars are more expensive in total ownership terms from new and save very little CO2 on lifetime analysis - unless you assume all the electricity going into them was wind. You can't assume that since EV's are additional electricity demand so met be incremental gas power stations.
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17/03/2021 12:44:39 5 2
bbc
Please cite your sources when comparing the TCP of a ICE vehicle and an EV. Most reputable (i.e. not funded by an oil company) studies show that the costs are either the same or actually tilting towards the EV being a cheaper TCO over 10 years. I know that my EV uses 100% renewable electricity. Most of it comes from my own solar panels. The rest from a guaranteed renewable source.
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17/03/2021 13:17:06 4 1
bbc
You are paying an electricity reseller for 'green only' electricity.
Power goes into the grid from all sources, power comes out of the grid from all sources.
If you live closer to a power station that burns things to make power than a green source, you are using non-green electricity FACT.
also, you must have huge solar array to charge your EV i have 12kW and that is no where near enough?
169
17/03/2021 15:39:53 2 2
bbc
Somebody claimed he had saved three thousand pounds on electricity over two years at 18000 mile a year using free charging points.

My deisel doing that doesn't use 3000 pounds of fuel.

Who is kidding who?
80
17/03/2021 12:47:52 3 12
bbc
Wind turbines kill thousands of wild birds. They should be discontinued and removed.
85
17/03/2021 12:49:50 3 0
bbc
Or put a shroud round them.
Or use sonic deterrent.
Or find an alternative.
97
17/03/2021 13:20:19 2 1
bbc
High rise buildings kill millions of birds. Should they be removed?
99
17/03/2021 13:21:26 2 1
bbc
Glass in multi-storey urban buildings especially at night when lights are on kills millions if not billions of birds so should we take glass out of windows and stop building, or get a sense of proportion??
https://youtu.be/YKWg9GPKapk
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17/03/2021 14:44:39 2 0
bbc
Glad to see that you are keen to minimise bird deaths by banning wind turbines. I trust that you are equally keen to ban cats and windows.

https://www.sibleyguides.com
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17/03/2021 16:45:10 0 0
bbc
They don't kill thousands... it's not a rotating sythe. All birds will be dead if we don't stop our carbon output.
5
17/03/2021 10:42:27 35 12
bbc
Do you hear that everyone? That's the sound of another empty promise.

We'll do what we in the UK always do - hide the problem by outsourcing our manufacturing to another country, then complain about THEIR carbon footprint and how the UK doesn't have a manufacturing industry anymore.
81
17/03/2021 12:51:27 0 0
bbc
I guess they’ll be releasing Green proposal announcements in bits and drabs right up until COP26 Glasgow when they’ll be able to test the water with every other country there on how to tackle this issue of 51 BILLION TONS of CO2e PER YEAR dumped into the atmosphere, then decided just how little they can really get away with??
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17/03/2021 12:52:06 8 1
bbc
I guess they’ll be releasing Green proposal announcements in bits and drabs right up until COP26 Glasgow when they’ll be able to test the water with every other country there on how to tackle this issue of 51 BILLION TONS of CO2e PER YEAR dumped into the atmosphere, then decided just how little they can really get away with??
114
17/03/2021 13:51:30 2 6
bbc
And it doesn’t matter! Latest ECS measurements give 0.6degs C for doubling of CO2 in 150 years. Relax
83
17/03/2021 12:59:15 7 5
bbc
BJ's green credentials: £1bn to cut carbon emissions, ~£17bn for new nukes... Say no more.
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Pip
17/03/2021 14:13:18 1 2
bbc
Absolutely M.A.D................?
77
17/03/2021 12:36:11 23 18
bbc
Absolutely. Still, that kind of sentiment will fall on deaf ears among the metropolitan left and woke who are driving stuff like this. Most of 'em never having set foot in a factory, ever.
84
17/03/2021 13:02:18 3 2
bbc
I think it's more the metropolitan hard right no doubt Johnson will start lighting a another sterling bonfire where billions vanish never to be seen again. expect to see friend and family of the tory party line up to collect their 'green' envelopes stuffed with cash
95
17/03/2021 13:18:44 2 5
bbc
Righto, so your answer to the original poster's point about loads of coal-fired power stations et al still being built all over the world is basically "Bozo the Clown and his Tory pals something something mumble brown envelopes"

Yeah, very compelling I'm sure. No wonder why Labour are 13% behind in the polls and falling still further.
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17/03/2021 12:47:52 3 12
bbc
Wind turbines kill thousands of wild birds. They should be discontinued and removed.
85
17/03/2021 12:49:50 3 0
bbc
Or put a shroud round them.
Or use sonic deterrent.
Or find an alternative.
98
17/03/2021 13:21:05 2 0
bbc
Or stop painting them gray.
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Ian
17/03/2021 12:36:07 28 6
bbc
I run a manufacturing business. We want to build a new factory embracing green tech. However, there is NO support out there to help with this. These technologies remain far too under developed to be viable. Solar panels degrade and are very hard to deal with at end-of-life. And NCAP now say that some petrol and diesel cars are actualy greener than a Prius!! All that glistens is not 'green'
86
17/03/2021 13:03:48 5 12
bbc
And just as we get close to the perfect 'green' lifestyle, a super-volcano will erupt and block-out the sun for decades. The next eruption of these things is actually now overdue. Or maybe an asteroid will set things back.
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17/03/2021 13:21:46 1 0
bbc
There may be one brewing in Iceland just now.
77
17/03/2021 12:36:11 23 18
bbc
Absolutely. Still, that kind of sentiment will fall on deaf ears among the metropolitan left and woke who are driving stuff like this. Most of 'em never having set foot in a factory, ever.
87
17/03/2021 12:50:46 2 2
bbc
If you'd ever been in a factory you would know it is full of us.
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17/03/2021 13:16:09 5 3
bbc
Nope, there were precious few woke around in the mid 80s. Back then, we used to get stuff done and we couldn't afford the luxury of indulging in nonsense virtue-signalling like this.

Not sure which "factory" you're claiming it's full of people like you, but some hipster coffee pop-up doesn't count as a "factory".
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17/03/2021 14:40:55 2 2
bbc
Wow, the other week you were claiming that you "worked" in finance & personal investments. Whats it going to be next week? The Green Ambassador to the dalai lama?
68
17/03/2021 12:08:29 1 2
bbc
As long as it is jam first!
88
17/03/2021 13:06:27 1 0
bbc
I think you are both confusing Cornwall for Devon. Its a Devonshire Cream Tea after all, Cornwall is Pasties.
89
17/03/2021 13:07:20 4 3
bbc
all of parliament use is fossil fuel cars, airplanes, ships and trains and China to build the next Nuke power stations, the reason why they have there fingers in the pie, and its cheap.
directorships bribes backhanders, cash for policy, cash for questions the list goes on.
90
17/03/2021 13:10:10 6 5
bbc
I imagine this is possible Brexit Bonus. The tories will reduce industry by 2/3 rds and thus CO2.
96
17/03/2021 13:20:06 4 5
bbc
if you compare Taiwan to UK - island population half that of UK. Taiwan total Covid deaths 15 GDP for Taiwan 8%
UK negative 16% rest of Europe negative 8%
Europe and America on buying spree of UK businesses as their undervalued. UK exports almost non existent
55
17/03/2021 11:48:10 4 5
bbc
The atmosphere is being destroyed by the CFC that comes from billions of cans of spray paint used by graffiti vandals in every urban area in the world. And yes banksy is one of them!
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17/03/2021 13:10:29 0 0
bbc
I wanted to give you a thumbs up for calling Banksy a grafitti vandal, but CFC's have not been used for years.... providing you exclude the large manufacturing plants in china that don't exist but create massif clouds of cfc...
92
17/03/2021 13:12:57 11 4
bbc
Credit where its due £100 billion Sterling goes green - Over 100 billion Sterling Irish securities moved from the city to Brussels over last weekend. Thats very 'green' isn't it
link
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/financial-services/irish-assets-leave-london-in-100bn-post-brexit-switch-1.4510542
BBC could talk about how the City that is crumbling under Brexit.
87
17/03/2021 12:50:46 2 2
bbc
If you'd ever been in a factory you would know it is full of us.
93
17/03/2021 13:16:09 5 3
bbc
Nope, there were precious few woke around in the mid 80s. Back then, we used to get stuff done and we couldn't afford the luxury of indulging in nonsense virtue-signalling like this.

Not sure which "factory" you're claiming it's full of people like you, but some hipster coffee pop-up doesn't count as a "factory".
79
17/03/2021 12:44:39 5 2
bbc
Please cite your sources when comparing the TCP of a ICE vehicle and an EV. Most reputable (i.e. not funded by an oil company) studies show that the costs are either the same or actually tilting towards the EV being a cheaper TCO over 10 years. I know that my EV uses 100% renewable electricity. Most of it comes from my own solar panels. The rest from a guaranteed renewable source.
94
17/03/2021 13:17:06 4 1
bbc
You are paying an electricity reseller for 'green only' electricity.
Power goes into the grid from all sources, power comes out of the grid from all sources.
If you live closer to a power station that burns things to make power than a green source, you are using non-green electricity FACT.
also, you must have huge solar array to charge your EV i have 12kW and that is no where near enough?
140
17/03/2021 14:37:15 0 1
bbc
Your PV array would be adequate for your EV if you follow the latest Green advice. Only drive to the XR demos
84
17/03/2021 13:02:18 3 2
bbc
I think it's more the metropolitan hard right no doubt Johnson will start lighting a another sterling bonfire where billions vanish never to be seen again. expect to see friend and family of the tory party line up to collect their 'green' envelopes stuffed with cash
95
17/03/2021 13:18:44 2 5
bbc
Righto, so your answer to the original poster's point about loads of coal-fired power stations et al still being built all over the world is basically "Bozo the Clown and his Tory pals something something mumble brown envelopes"

Yeah, very compelling I'm sure. No wonder why Labour are 13% behind in the polls and falling still further.
90
17/03/2021 13:10:10 6 5
bbc
I imagine this is possible Brexit Bonus. The tories will reduce industry by 2/3 rds and thus CO2.
96
17/03/2021 13:20:06 4 5
bbc
if you compare Taiwan to UK - island population half that of UK. Taiwan total Covid deaths 15 GDP for Taiwan 8%
UK negative 16% rest of Europe negative 8%
Europe and America on buying spree of UK businesses as their undervalued. UK exports almost non existent
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Pip
17/03/2021 14:18:12 3 1
bbc
Unfortuntely, after Hong Kong's demise, I fear Taiwan will succumb to China's military advances in the not to distant future...........?
80
17/03/2021 12:47:52 3 12
bbc
Wind turbines kill thousands of wild birds. They should be discontinued and removed.
97
17/03/2021 13:20:19 2 1
bbc
High rise buildings kill millions of birds. Should they be removed?
85
17/03/2021 12:49:50 3 0
bbc
Or put a shroud round them.
Or use sonic deterrent.
Or find an alternative.
98
17/03/2021 13:21:05 2 0
bbc
Or stop painting them gray.
80
17/03/2021 12:47:52 3 12
bbc
Wind turbines kill thousands of wild birds. They should be discontinued and removed.
99
17/03/2021 13:21:26 2 1
bbc
Glass in multi-storey urban buildings especially at night when lights are on kills millions if not billions of birds so should we take glass out of windows and stop building, or get a sense of proportion??
https://youtu.be/YKWg9GPKapk
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17/03/2021 13:03:48 5 12
bbc
And just as we get close to the perfect 'green' lifestyle, a super-volcano will erupt and block-out the sun for decades. The next eruption of these things is actually now overdue. Or maybe an asteroid will set things back.
100
17/03/2021 13:21:46 1 0
bbc
There may be one brewing in Iceland just now.
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17/03/2021 14:02:36 2 2
bbc
As predicted by Michael Mann as he thinks computer models are more accurate than many teams of scientists taking measures in the real world??