Covid-19 nearly disabled NHS says hospital boss
18/03/2021 | news | health | 729
The outgoing chief executive of a London trust warns the health service needs more capacity to avoid crisis.
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18/03/2021 13:21:18 22 16
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It's almost as if the government are too incompetent to deal with this crisis.
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Dom
18/03/2021 13:27:27 5 9
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And appallingly useless as they are they're still better than the other choices. The majority of current politicians should be sacked as incompetent, but then you dont need any skills to be a politician running the country so no wonder its run by morons.
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18/03/2021 13:31:51 1 0
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Look forward to seeing you up for MP election soon. Or will it spoil your walk?
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18/03/2021 13:22:09 17 15
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People will blame immigration again, but the Tory government showed their true colours regarding supporting the NHS in the latest pay scandal.
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18/03/2021 13:34:46 5 2
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The proportion of NHS staff drawn from ethnic minorities is higher than the proportion from the overall population. The "hostile environment" hasn't helped.
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18/03/2021 13:22:29 8 7
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But it didn't though did it.
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18/03/2021 13:28:51 4 1
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I think it did though
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18/03/2021 13:22:37 83 42
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NHS needs a shake up - fantastic idea, poorly executed and poorly managed - need to keep it, doesn't need more money just manage it and the staff better
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18/03/2021 13:28:03 89 21
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Do you mean these are bad decisions/ideas?

Counting a left hand glove and a right hand glove as 2 pieces of PPE.
Building a Nightingale hospital only to realise there is nobody to staff it, because, you know, kind of busy in their own hospital..
CANCELLING NURSES BURSARIES, BOO.
Changing Junior Doctors contract under Hunt, again BOOO.
Not even space to continue..!
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18/03/2021 13:38:40 16 4
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Please post costs of other health services that are so efficient, looking forward to your US stats........
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18/03/2021 13:40:08 23 7
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NHS needs no such thing, what needs shaking up is the Tory attitude to it.

They cut NHS funding, in GDP terms down from 7.6% to 7.1%, which is a massive cut. They also dumped unfunded social care costs on to it.

NHS ran the vaccination programme brilliantly & would have done the same with test & trace, & PPE procurement, but instead the Tories outsourced those with billions to their mates!
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18/03/2021 14:20:54 5 1
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NHS is underfunded in comparison to most advanced economies in Europe. The Tories cut NHS spending from 7.6% of GDP down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care costs in the millions onto it.

USA pays 18% of GDP into its private system, 12% of that is Government subsidy (so Americans pay taxes & private insurance for a health service). Once your treatment eats up your cover = bankruptcy!
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18/03/2021 15:59:15 1 0
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increased population and people living longer demands more money. Make sure that adequate staff are trained and then bank staff costing more will not be required.
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18/03/2021 22:49:02 0 0
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I think it needs a lot more money, a lot more beds and a lot more staff. Compared to other wealthy nations the percentage of our GDP spent on healthcare is significantly lower. NHS provides pretty good outcomes for less than average costs. Could be even better with more investment
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18/03/2021 13:22:57 20 19
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After a decade of Tory underfunding, I'm AMAZED the NHS has somehow survived.

Be in no doubt, the NHS has survived in spite of this Tory Government.
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18/03/2021 13:26:02 13 12
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For four general elections the Labour Party campaigned with the slogan "24 hours to save the NHS", and yet it is still here AND it is defeating the Covid-19 pandemic

Fifth time lucky?

PMSL
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18/03/2021 13:34:31 3 3
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So the nhs spend was 95bn in labours last year in office. Nhs spend now stands at around 160bn, 180bn if you include covid top ups this year. Underfunded? Nah, myopic politics spouted by unions and the like for their own agenda
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18/03/2021 13:25:48 13 7
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But they're only only worth a clap and 1%.....
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18/03/2021 13:25:56 110 8
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Deal with Staff shortages otherwise it just might collapse.
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18/03/2021 13:42:28 40 4
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Never forget there will be 50k 'extra' nurses partly driven by the ones that aren't going to quit.
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18/03/2021 13:36:33 20 4
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Don’t you realise that that’s the plan? Run it into the ground so privatisation seems like the only way out!
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18/03/2021 15:02:13 2 1
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This is just what is hoped for. The idea is to switch to a private healthcare system, based on private health insurance.
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19/03/2021 06:30:57 0 0
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You can't make anyone work in the NHS even though many where trained at Taxpaye's expensive. Doctors must work for the NHS for at least ten years after completing their finals. Our teaching hospitals are the finest in the world and the world want our highly trained Doctors, Nurses etc to work for them.
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18/03/2021 13:22:57 20 19
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After a decade of Tory underfunding, I'm AMAZED the NHS has somehow survived.

Be in no doubt, the NHS has survived in spite of this Tory Government.
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18/03/2021 13:26:02 13 12
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For four general elections the Labour Party campaigned with the slogan "24 hours to save the NHS", and yet it is still here AND it is defeating the Covid-19 pandemic

Fifth time lucky?

PMSL
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18/03/2021 13:28:53 4 6
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The Tory slogan "I'm alright jack, to hell with you!" on the other hand has lasted their entire history.

They're now bordering on fascism and you know it.
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18/03/2021 14:43:11 0 2
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If you are incontinent and wet yourself when you laugh, I suggest you ask your GP to refer you to the incontinence clinic. Oh, wait; staff have probably been diverted from there to deal with Covid. Just keep wearing the nappies.
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18/03/2021 14:47:16 1 1
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Because SOCIALLY MINDED PEOPLE actually CARE about other human beings rather than an imaginary concept called money!!!
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18/03/2021 13:20:49 3 3
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Why's that then ?
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18/03/2021 13:26:26 64 28
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The problem with the NHS is its inefficiencies and layers of management. The front line staff are a shining beacon of competence, but as a whole, it's a bottomless money pit. Throwing more money at it won't solve the issue, it'll likely just cause more waste. Perhaps it might be better to lessen the demand on the NHS? Better health education and exercise equipment discounts.
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18/03/2021 13:35:54 40 4
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The best exercise equipment is a pair of good shoes and a raincoat.
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18/03/2021 13:38:23 11 2
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I spent 30 yrs selling equipment to the NHS and visited virtually every hospital biomed dept in the UK. Some are very efficient and well run but some are definitely not. In some everything stops for a morning coffee break and afternoon tea break, depts shut down for lunch. Everyone leaves on the stroke of 4 pm (or their local official closing time). Repeat across multiple hosp depts...........
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18/03/2021 13:39:42 5 1
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Is it, which health service models are more efficient, the land of the free, USA?
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18/03/2021 13:51:01 9 1
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More Tory nonsense... we spend less on the NHS than our major economic competitors spend on their health services.

The USA spends 18% of GDP on their, supposedly, private system. 12% of that is Government money. So Americans end up paying their taxes and private insurance for the most expensive care system in the world. And when their cover is all used up they are up the creek without a paddle.
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18/03/2021 13:59:48 9 0
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I particularly agreed with Prof.Levi's comments and the appropiate plaudits for the NHS staff. However I think the the attempts to apply inappropiate business models to public services is wrong and has created unwieldy and costly levels of unnecessary management. We see the same model applied to education.
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18/03/2021 15:28:52 5 1
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It is not a bottomless money pit. It has to deal with costly inefficient systems brought in for ideological reasons, to make ready for privatisation. Also, it actually is seriously underfunded compared to other countries' healthcare systems. For a healthier population, tax sugar & white carbs.
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18/03/2021 15:43:31 1 0
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just don't fall off your exercise bike then.
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18/03/2021 15:48:41 1 0
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But every incoming Tory Government I can remember has explained this to the voting public and told them it will cut out the waste so that more money isn't needed, but we are still having that conversation. Either none of them kept that promise or they couldn't actually find the mass of waste they claimed they were going to get rid of.
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18/03/2021 16:02:57 0 1
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Ted_Derby
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The problem with the NHS is its inefficiencies and layers of management etc.

To improve efficiency, privatise and NO Unions!!
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Removed
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18/03/2021 13:27:27 7 9
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I clapped every week what more do they want?
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18/03/2021 13:32:58 4 0
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Its a pity the landlord doesn't accept payment in claps.
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18/03/2021 13:21:18 22 16
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It's almost as if the government are too incompetent to deal with this crisis.
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Dom
18/03/2021 13:27:27 5 9
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And appallingly useless as they are they're still better than the other choices. The majority of current politicians should be sacked as incompetent, but then you dont need any skills to be a politician running the country so no wonder its run by morons.
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18/03/2021 13:27:56 97 20
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"Nearly"? The NHS was disabled long before Covid, due to mismanagement, bureaucracy and under-funding.
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18/03/2021 13:56:51 76 67
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It's not under funded, but incredibly badly managed. It was also never close to collapse, beds would've been repurposed, this is just political posturing.
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18/03/2021 15:05:56 2 0
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It still manages to function. Any disabling is to further the aim of switching to a private healthcare system.
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18/03/2021 20:54:57 0 2
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Something else to blame c19 for
It's cured Evey other illness in the world now because irrespective of what someone dies of now it's covid
So blaming it for almost wrecking the NHS isn't a suprise.
The NHS has had too many overpaid and underworked managers for years ,it's that and not coronavirus that's to blame.
And the staff on tik tok doing dance routines haven't seemed too under pressure!
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18/03/2021 13:22:37 83 42
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NHS needs a shake up - fantastic idea, poorly executed and poorly managed - need to keep it, doesn't need more money just manage it and the staff better
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18/03/2021 13:28:03 89 21
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Do you mean these are bad decisions/ideas?

Counting a left hand glove and a right hand glove as 2 pieces of PPE.
Building a Nightingale hospital only to realise there is nobody to staff it, because, you know, kind of busy in their own hospital..
CANCELLING NURSES BURSARIES, BOO.
Changing Junior Doctors contract under Hunt, again BOOO.
Not even space to continue..!
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18/03/2021 14:29:31 6 0
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TBH the gloves come as "gloves". A left one is a right one turned over. Personally I'd consider a box of 100 as one unit of PPE. In the same way I'd consider a box of needles to be one unit not 100 items of medical equipment.
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18/03/2021 14:48:09 1 0
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agree. And Mr Hunt now sits in ivory tower on Health Committee chair HoP .......
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18/03/2021 15:25:12 2 2
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The bursary system meant that some young people whose character was unsuited to a caring profession went into nursing, so that they could get a degree without student debt and then immediately took that degree elsewhere. If the state is to pay them to obtain a degree then, at the very least, they must commit to working for the NHS for at least five years after training.
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18/03/2021 15:30:06 1 0
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Reducing time trainee doctors spend learning each specialism in the hospitals. False economy.
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18/03/2021 13:28:05 58 26
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Staff Shortages in the NHS are a directly a result of Brexit and the Royal College of Nursing highlighted this would be the case in 2 separate reports in 2016 and 2019
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18/03/2021 13:35:55 31 3
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That and the failure to keep funding in proportion to population and need. It could not be clearer that this is where potential threats lie and this is where money should be spent, not on weaponry, idiotic vanity projects and trying to control rather than serve the people of this country.
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18/03/2021 13:39:34 10 0
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Yup. in 2017 they reported that 10,000 EU NHS nurses and clinicians went home early and didn't renew their contracts, in comparison to the usual 4-500. Never made the pages of The Mail, Telegraph or Express, of course.
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MKJ
18/03/2021 14:06:37 0 2
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Quote the report your referencing from ?
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BOF
18/03/2021 15:22:32 0 0
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I wonder why you got 19 down votes for that comment
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18/03/2021 21:46:55 0 0
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Leaving the EU and the hostile environment towards anyone not born in this country (and towards a great many who were) have certainly played a big part. But add to those overwork and low pay.
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18/03/2021 13:28:29 64 21
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"Covid-19 nearly disabled NHS says hospital boss"

"Nearly" i.e. didn't

Just to put this in perspective, we have just faced a civilian health crisis worse than that during the second world war, and yet the NHS coped
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18/03/2021 13:38:08 60 4
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If you credit his opinion, then his most telling comment was that the only bits of the Health Service that failed were those parts outsourced to the private sector. Like the Dido Queen of Carnage-led track+trace.
The Tory Bots can't help but make silly comments. Removed
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18/03/2021 13:46:31 7 1
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Some countries were prepared for a pandemic. WHO had been advising countries to be prepared for the best part of a decade, but the Tories ignored the Exercise Cygnus report, which would have prepared the UK for a pandemic!

The NHS has not coped, if it had, we would not be seeing record increases in waiting times for important health issues.
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18/03/2021 14:41:05 2 0
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Unless you were waiting for cancer treatment, screening, non urgent surgery, you mean? I've had to wait an extra year for a consultation for a surgery I needed a year ago. It will be a few years yet until we see the full effect of covid on the NHS. Already too long waiting lists need to be cleared.
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18/03/2021 14:53:05 2 0
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Acute NHS services - superb. Elective services - crap! Stop inappropriate referrals from primary care; stop inappropriate use of A&E etc.... and the true elective services have a chance to survive and produce quality outcomes
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19/03/2021 17:23:21 0 0
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No disrespect to the NHS, but they literally ONLY just coped, and in a way, they didn’t, because covid took over, and other patients are waiting. We have to make sure we keep our infection rate low.
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18/03/2021 13:28:38 21 16
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No. Covid is a virus, it didn't disable anything.

The lockdowns and decisions to close down vital services are what nearly disabled NHS. Cancelling cancer treatments is tantamount to medical negligence but hey, covid eh?

If a health service the size of the NHS can't deal with more than one illness at a time then its clearly not fit for purpose
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18/03/2021 13:31:17 13 2
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His key point for me was that everything inside the NHS coped successfully. Everything outsourced to private chums of the Tries failed.
tantamount to murder in some cases Removed
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18/03/2021 13:36:14 2 2
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You are right - who made it unfit - who starved it of funds creating waiting lists, refused to staff correctly, let buildings and equipment go- they will be telling you how good a job they have done at next election
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18/03/2021 14:05:32 2 1
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How can you actually make that assessment. Do you work in the NHS? D o you have a robust knowledge of the challenges it faces. Or do you just assume you know things and make unfounded statements. The fact is, we have a population of 64 million. Our population is getting older, people have complex health needs for a variety of reasons. It is not large enough to service all these needs.
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18/03/2021 13:26:02 13 12
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For four general elections the Labour Party campaigned with the slogan "24 hours to save the NHS", and yet it is still here AND it is defeating the Covid-19 pandemic

Fifth time lucky?

PMSL
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18/03/2021 13:28:53 4 6
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The Tory slogan "I'm alright jack, to hell with you!" on the other hand has lasted their entire history.

They're now bordering on fascism and you know it.
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18/03/2021 13:31:47 4 4
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People like you are the reason why traditional & moderate Labour supporters voted for 'The Tories' at the general election

So PLEASE keep doing what you are doing!

PMSL
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18/03/2021 13:29:41 13 9
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If people had stuck to the rules there wouldn’t have been so many infections to deal with. Still see people not wearing masks in shops even today.
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18/03/2021 13:34:02 2 6
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Give us a figure - the few not following rules killed 1%? 5%? - the govt killed the rest of unnecessary deaths - put blame where it should be.
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18/03/2021 13:29:48 17 7
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Why would any health service be prepared!?! It’s a ridiculous thing to expect ???????
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18/03/2021 13:33:28 23 4
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Some countries were, WHO had been advising countries to be prepared for the best part of a decade, the Tories ignored the Exercise Cygnus report, which would have prepared the UK for a pandemic!
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18/03/2021 13:33:57 7 0
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Just like any business, it's critical for public bodies to anticipate critical events and to do as much as possible to mitigate against them. Governments for decades, irrespective of parties, have prioritised the easy wins versus more long-term robustness.
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18/03/2021 13:34:16 5 1
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18/03/2021 13:36:00 4 4
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No it's not. The Cygnus 2016 exercise said we could cope. And the health service was prepared. But in some areas, only just coped.

The people who weren't prepared were all the outsourced chums of the Tories in the private sector who fell flat on their face at immense cost. Like Dido Queen of Carnage.
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18/03/2021 14:39:13 3 0
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You obviously live life on the cusp, don't care about anything and haven't any inurance of any kind then!!!
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18/03/2021 13:30:11 6 4
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That's why we put the Nightingale Hospitals in place ??

Anything we didn't know
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18/03/2021 13:43:54 2 0
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YOU apparently don't know the nightingale hospitals were useless because there weren't any excess staff to man them.
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18/03/2021 13:44:00 1 0
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Who's this "we" you refer to?
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18/03/2021 13:30:45 110 33
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2016: The Torys told us a vote for Brexit would allow the NHS to be provided with an extra 350 mill per week in funding

2020/21: Nurses risk their lives all year, & many died trying to keep us healthy & the Torys say the UK is too poor to give them a pay rise above inflation

1 week later the Torys state they want to increase the UKs number of nuclear warheads to 260

Odd times indeed
The UK currently has roughly 200 nuclear warheads and it is estimated that setting off 100 or so would be enough to destroy the whole planet and all life on it

So why do we need to buy more?
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18/03/2021 13:47:14 5 19
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Nothing to do with £350 million in funding, and nurses dont risk there lives all year round they also have an excellent wage pension and other benefits. It needs a new funding system and it will be part privatised as it has to many bosses. And the defence of this country has been underfunded for decades unlike the NHS.
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18/03/2021 14:19:46 16 0
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And they spent £37billion on Track and Trace. That is a staggering amount of money and probably would have cost less if the contract hadn't been given to one of BoJo's mates.
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18/03/2021 15:01:35 2 6
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Brexit slogan never was a government policy, just an eye catching means of pointing out the waste of cash earmarked for Brussels.
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18/03/2021 16:04:19 0 0
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God old times.
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dan
18/03/2021 19:17:19 0 0
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Odd times? No, disgraceful times. And anyone who genuinely believed that nonsense on the side of a bus should hang their heads in shame for being fooled so easily
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18/03/2021 20:59:40 0 0
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Any pay rise at all is better than the rest of the public services getting nothing and people losing jobs.
The army is getting nothing but more cuts and they aren't whingeing ,and some of them have also been working alongside NHS staff. Staff who are already well paid for the job they do! They need to stop whingeing and carry on doing the job they signed on to do!
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18/03/2021 21:27:58 0 0
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Odd times, or, fearfully, the ‘new normal’?
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18/03/2021 13:30:46 6 11
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People with disabilities will no doubt be delighted with his turn of phrase, or at least that he is leaving the NHS.
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18/03/2021 13:31:05 70 6
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For UK to have been pandemic ready (not Covid but any) the govt had a responsibility to maintain its key systems (incl. nhs) fit for purpose.

It both failed to do this and ostrich like failed to understand what the true state of play was (a situation created by 10+ years of policy)

Say we get a new pandemic in 2022 will the NHS be fit for purpose - staffed and resourced, min waiting lists?
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18/03/2021 13:33:34 18 6
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Surely the failure is from the beginning of parliament? If there’s a failure in crisis and recovery planning and management, we can’t time stamp when it should’ve been planned for, other than day one of parliament and central government.
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18/03/2021 14:03:24 1 3
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The population voted on mass for austerity measures in 2010. If I remember correctly the labor government at the time proposed they would actually cut harder than the conservatives.

As a population we have never wanted to fund the NHS more. Not been willing to stump up the cash in our taxes.
Sentiments may have changed now - but a little too late.
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18/03/2021 15:20:54 1 0
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Did the UK govt. take seriously the increasing likelihood of pandemics? Did SAGE members have the right expertise, were it's parameters the right ones? Who had oversight over UK PPE stockpile & its management? Who gave the PPE contract to the subsidiary of a US health industry corp.? Has anyone suffered consequences for the mess they made of the job, that left the UK without the PPE needed?
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19/03/2021 00:12:15 0 0
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How many of the NHS staff were EU citizens and were thrown out by Brexit?
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18/03/2021 13:28:38 21 16
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No. Covid is a virus, it didn't disable anything.

The lockdowns and decisions to close down vital services are what nearly disabled NHS. Cancelling cancer treatments is tantamount to medical negligence but hey, covid eh?

If a health service the size of the NHS can't deal with more than one illness at a time then its clearly not fit for purpose
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18/03/2021 13:31:17 13 2
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His key point for me was that everything inside the NHS coped successfully. Everything outsourced to private chums of the Tries failed.
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Dom
18/03/2021 13:35:33 3 1
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Ignoring the fact most NHS privatisation was not only done by Labour but they introduced the legislation to allow it. Dont worry about the facts though
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jon
18/03/2021 13:40:31 3 0
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Yet so many have caught ciovid within NHS hospitals. Not forgetting clinitians discharging patients back into care homes. Overall well done to the NHS, especially the vaccine roll-out, but lets have some perspective.
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18/03/2021 13:28:53 4 6
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The Tory slogan "I'm alright jack, to hell with you!" on the other hand has lasted their entire history.

They're now bordering on fascism and you know it.
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18/03/2021 13:31:47 4 4
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People like you are the reason why traditional & moderate Labour supporters voted for 'The Tories' at the general election

So PLEASE keep doing what you are doing!

PMSL
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18/03/2021 13:27:45 2 8
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One can't help wondering if we would have seen far fewer hospitalisations if the advice in the Great Barrington Declaration had been followed.

One also wonders whether many of the really old, who were also suffering seriously from dementia might have been far better receiving hospice care, rather than ending their days pumped full of sedatives, with a hole in their throat, on a ventilator.
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18/03/2021 13:34:22 0 1
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I agree with the second statement. The first is questionable.
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18/03/2021 13:52:29 0 0
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That fraud?!
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18/03/2021 13:22:29 8 7
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But it didn't though did it.
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18/03/2021 13:28:51 4 1
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I think it did though
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18/03/2021 13:51:51 2 1
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Of course it did, look at all the cancelled operations etc.
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18/03/2021 13:21:18 22 16
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It's almost as if the government are too incompetent to deal with this crisis.
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18/03/2021 13:31:51 1 0
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Look forward to seeing you up for MP election soon. Or will it spoil your walk?
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18/03/2021 13:42:16 0 1
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I've got golf for that!
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18/03/2021 13:32:45 13 11
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The key word is 'nearly'.

Can we afford spare wards, doctors and nurses sat around waiting for a pandemic?

The NHS needs to efficient and there will always be something that can cause a strain.
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18/03/2021 14:09:47 0 0
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"In reality, it was disabled, as it was basically focused on one illness and the rest have had to wait."
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18/03/2021 14:10:20 0 0
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11 stupid people, to-date, have voted this up!
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18/03/2021 14:24:55 0 0
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They should have been sitting around waiting for a pandemic because the government was told in 2008 that it was coming. I expect they would actually ahve been working, though. If you've ever been an inpatient, as I have, you will know that nurses etc are run off their feet and sometimes don't have time to take any breaks.
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18/03/2021 13:32:55 36 23
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Well funded, massive salaries, several contractors and managers earning little fortunes. Yet never ready. Stay at home mantra, to protect NHS got tedious. When will finally NHS be ready to protect people. That's why you are going for into this field. To protect , to serve. Ready for pandemics, natural disasters and even war.
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18/03/2021 14:04:44 27 12
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The Tory Bots are in full throttle today, no way does this represent the overwhelming public opinion in the UK!
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BOF
18/03/2021 15:26:02 3 1
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NHS doctors, given their training expertise and the responsibility they have for people's lives, are not very well paid compared with lawyers, accountants, bankers etc.
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18/03/2021 16:04:46 2 0
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If you want readiness for pandemics (and more will come), you need to vote in a government that does not prefer a minimal state, and that has more commitment to ensuring the whole population has decent basic healthcare and emergency provision. Not one that wants to end the NHS & have a private healthcare system for the well-off, instead.
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18/03/2021 22:16:34 0 0
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What?
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18/03/2021 13:27:27 7 9
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I clapped every week what more do they want?
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18/03/2021 13:32:58 4 0
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Its a pity the landlord doesn't accept payment in claps.
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18/03/2021 13:40:50 0 0
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Probably kept them all for themselves
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18/03/2021 13:33:03 186 72
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Billions have been spent on the NHS and every time they come back for more. Time for a total re-examination of the structure that rewards underachieving managers and fails to reward front line staff. Also time to invest in domestic pharmaceutical companies and manufacturing capacity, likewise PPE and hospital equipment to ensure that we are self sufficient in the future.
It doesn`t matter one jot how much you give the Nhs, it will always do an Oliver and keep on asking for more. The organisation is top heavy with managers and full of Spanish practices. It is wrongly held in my opinion in such high esteem in this country that there is no way it will be every be made to run efficiently. Powerful unions and the Labour party will make sure that never happens. Removed
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18/03/2021 13:57:02 26 4
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However on the world stage many would consider it value for Money,
2017 put us at £2913 per capita, which is below many countries:
France 3.7, Germany 4.3, Japan 3.5, Italy 2.6 Spain 2.4
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18/03/2021 14:04:26 9 3
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Bootlick your way into tongue surgery costing your £400000 then.
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18/03/2021 14:16:20 39 16
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The facts:

The NHS has been underfunded massively by the Tories since 2010. In GDP terms NHS spending has fallen from 7.6% to 7.1% (Nuffield Trust figures). That's a massive cut.

On top of that huge costs have been piled onto the NHS because the Tories slashed Social Care funding. In response the NHS has made cuts to services of over £80B to-date.

A Tory NHS always ends up in crisis!
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18/03/2021 14:18:49 24 2
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It's almost as if spending those billions on bureaucrats, management consultants and aborted IT projects doesn't improve patient healthcare.
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18/03/2021 14:21:17 20 1
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Do you know how many new drugs fail clinical trials? Almost all of them. If you think the NHS is a waste of money you'd never fund drug development. You'd expect 100% of the drugs to work 100% of the time and cost pennies.

Nor would you be prepared to pay British workers a decent wage to make PPE. Thats why its all made in China in the first place!
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18/03/2021 14:27:36 19 3
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I think you need to do your homework and look at the expenditure per head of population compared to other countries. The NHS is a bargain.

Additionally, the NHS has proportionally LESS managers than almost every other health system in the world, and less that the average in industry.

Never let the truth get in the way of an ill informed rant.
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18/03/2021 14:55:13 2 1
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Too much medical staff time is spent filling in forms to keep the lawyers happy on the off-chance that someone sues.

Or forms to show that politicians' targets are met.

Or forms for managers' customer satisfaction surveys.

A one-minute form filled in 30 times a day takes half an hour per day.
5 minutes -> 2.5 hours.

Hire more nurses, get more forms!
Like NZ, ban suing for compensation.
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18/03/2021 14:57:31 2 1
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Time to remove the costly systemic impediments to greater efficiency that were introduced as part of the shift to a private health insurance system. And who is going to invest in UK PPE and hospital equipment manufacture? Because most in the small minority that owns most of the wealth do not invest in the UK at all.
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18/03/2021 14:57:40 5 1
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Can't believe this comment is so voted up so much. It's provably false that we overspend on the NHS relative to other developed nations - there is a permanent yawning gulf in bed capacity and staff vacancies that are endemic due to lack of funding.

https://www.pgpf.org/sites/default/files/How-Does-The-U.S.-Healthcare-System-Compare-To-Other-Countries-chart-2.jpg
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MF
18/03/2021 14:58:01 5 1
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We spend one of the lowest percentages of GDP on health care, under half the amount on the US for example and in the last 10 years investment has dropped well below average since the formation of the NHS.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for and after 11 years of under investment the whole system was on its knees before Covid. It was the same the last time after 18 years of Tory rule.
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18/03/2021 15:08:40 3 0
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if we want the newest treatments and a system where we don't have to queue in a tent for medical aid, as they do in some parts of the US then we need to fund our services and make sure the NHS staff have all the working rights they're due also.
Govt. was told in 2016 to stock up on PPE. They did not do so. It is not new that hospitals struggle at eg new year, due to inadequate staffing.
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18/03/2021 15:10:20 1 3
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Having worked for the NHS for nearly 40 years, I can see the culture of bullying by managers. What’s worse, those managers are now at every level because the way the NHS deals with them is to promote them.
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18/03/2021 15:20:04 2 3
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The usual 'blame the Tories' mafia are out in force I see. The biggest risk to the NHS is a Labour Government. Why? Because after they have spent every penny of both our money and what they have borrowed of others on the scrounging idle class there is nothing left - exactly the case when that great economist Brown and his useless sidekick Balls had finished with the economy
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18/03/2021 15:52:07 2 0
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They keep coming back for more because they have been underfunded for an entire decade. Healthy is cost effective and hence we should boost funding and in turn this will assist the economy. Public services attract too much ideology and negativness from the press, they actually improve our lot.
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18/03/2021 18:03:38 3 1
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Ill-informed ranting. Comparison of healthcare systems find the NHS to be in top 2 or 3 for efficiency & value for £. The Kings Fund & even US right wing thinktanks noted NHS has fewer managers than other healthcare systems & also industry. Daily Mail & Torygraph have poisoned your feeble mind with baloney stories of evil NHS managers so you will be happy when some Tory government sells it off.
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18/03/2021 13:33:06 106 42
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More likely mismanagement nearly disabled the NHS and will continue to do so.
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18/03/2021 13:51:12 48 24
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more meaningless hyperbole much like the use of the term "rich" when talking about wealth distribution, its meaningless. Without management the NHS would fall over tomorrow. Most NHS managers are clinicians with a history of delivering care. The last figure was close to 80%.. the other 20% would be in HR, IT and other non clinical delivery departments.
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18/03/2021 13:52:42 6 3
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How right you are
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xlr
18/03/2021 13:54:47 6 3
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Funny how the English NHS was "mismanaged" more than the Welsh or Scottish ones then innit.
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18/03/2021 14:20:15 7 2
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NHS is underfunded in comparison to most advanced economies in Europe. The Tories cut NHS spending from 7.6% of GDP down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care costs in the millions onto it.

USA pays 18% of GDP into its private system, 12% of that is Government subsidy (so Americans pay taxes & private insurance for a health service). Once your treatment eats up your cover = bankruptcy!
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18/03/2021 14:58:08 1 1
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Did you not read the article....
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18/03/2021 16:20:28 1 0
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Mismanagement on the part of the Department of Health, yes.
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18/03/2021 13:28:38 21 16
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No. Covid is a virus, it didn't disable anything.

The lockdowns and decisions to close down vital services are what nearly disabled NHS. Cancelling cancer treatments is tantamount to medical negligence but hey, covid eh?

If a health service the size of the NHS can't deal with more than one illness at a time then its clearly not fit for purpose
tantamount to murder in some cases Removed
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18/03/2021 13:29:48 17 7
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Why would any health service be prepared!?! It’s a ridiculous thing to expect ???????
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18/03/2021 13:33:28 23 4
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Some countries were, WHO had been advising countries to be prepared for the best part of a decade, the Tories ignored the Exercise Cygnus report, which would have prepared the UK for a pandemic!
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18/03/2021 13:33:30 9 11
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The NHS was on it's knees before Covid. The Tories have wrecked it but let's have nukes instead.
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18/03/2021 13:40:25 2 2
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The people who work in it wrecked it years and years ago had nothing to do with governments. When you had consultants and nurses going sick and working for private company's and please dont say they didn't earn enough.
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JB
18/03/2021 13:33:33 5 4
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Hate to think if we have a real pandemic where the death survival rates was only 2% unlike this one
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18/03/2021 13:42:40 1 0
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Whats a "death survival" rate. BTW 25% of people hospitalised with covid die of covid. Thats comparable with Ebola.
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18/03/2021 13:31:05 70 6
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For UK to have been pandemic ready (not Covid but any) the govt had a responsibility to maintain its key systems (incl. nhs) fit for purpose.

It both failed to do this and ostrich like failed to understand what the true state of play was (a situation created by 10+ years of policy)

Say we get a new pandemic in 2022 will the NHS be fit for purpose - staffed and resourced, min waiting lists?
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18/03/2021 13:33:34 18 6
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Surely the failure is from the beginning of parliament? If there’s a failure in crisis and recovery planning and management, we can’t time stamp when it should’ve been planned for, other than day one of parliament and central government.
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18/03/2021 13:45:17 2 1
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You are right, you have to pick a start point and maybe 10 years is too short but the last NHS reorganisation to make fit for purpose was Lansbury - they reviewed NHS then and got a clear view then, that’s the last time govt looked and then had years to act - but didn’t
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18/03/2021 15:21:32 1 1
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God help us if a Labour government were calling the shots at the outbreak of Covid-19.
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18/03/2021 13:29:48 17 7
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Why would any health service be prepared!?! It’s a ridiculous thing to expect ???????
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18/03/2021 13:33:57 7 0
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Just like any business, it's critical for public bodies to anticipate critical events and to do as much as possible to mitigate against them. Governments for decades, irrespective of parties, have prioritised the easy wins versus more long-term robustness.
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18/03/2021 13:29:41 13 9
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If people had stuck to the rules there wouldn’t have been so many infections to deal with. Still see people not wearing masks in shops even today.
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18/03/2021 13:34:02 2 6
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Give us a figure - the few not following rules killed 1%? 5%? - the govt killed the rest of unnecessary deaths - put blame where it should be.
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18/03/2021 13:29:48 17 7
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Why would any health service be prepared!?! It’s a ridiculous thing to expect ???????
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18/03/2021 13:34:16 5 1
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18/03/2021 16:24:11 0 0
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Why - who got this wrong, and why? Was the expertise called upon sufficiently wide-ranging, if not why not? Why so narrow a prediction? Where is the investigation into this major mistake?
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18/03/2021 13:27:45 2 8
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One can't help wondering if we would have seen far fewer hospitalisations if the advice in the Great Barrington Declaration had been followed.

One also wonders whether many of the really old, who were also suffering seriously from dementia might have been far better receiving hospice care, rather than ending their days pumped full of sedatives, with a hole in their throat, on a ventilator.
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18/03/2021 13:34:22 0 1
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I agree with the second statement. The first is questionable.
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18/03/2021 13:22:57 20 19
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After a decade of Tory underfunding, I'm AMAZED the NHS has somehow survived.

Be in no doubt, the NHS has survived in spite of this Tory Government.
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18/03/2021 13:34:31 3 3
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So the nhs spend was 95bn in labours last year in office. Nhs spend now stands at around 160bn, 180bn if you include covid top ups this year. Underfunded? Nah, myopic politics spouted by unions and the like for their own agenda
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18/03/2021 13:22:09 17 15
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People will blame immigration again, but the Tory government showed their true colours regarding supporting the NHS in the latest pay scandal.
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18/03/2021 13:34:46 5 2
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The proportion of NHS staff drawn from ethnic minorities is higher than the proportion from the overall population. The "hostile environment" hasn't helped.
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18/03/2021 13:35:04 9 6
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I wonder if the Tories hadnt starved the public sector for 10 years how the NHS would have done.
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18/03/2021 13:56:09 1 1
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And Labour be for them! Remember the PFI projects that are still crippling many NHS trusts. That was Tony Blair's baby.
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18/03/2021 13:35:19 1 6
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Bit like the work force always want more, full of greed and mismanagement
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18/03/2021 13:38:05 5 0
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Sorry? You're saying the workforce are the ones guilty of greed in our society? Have I read your comment correctly?
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18/03/2021 13:35:32 6 1
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Maybe because half the staff were self isolating,
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18/03/2021 13:31:17 13 2
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His key point for me was that everything inside the NHS coped successfully. Everything outsourced to private chums of the Tries failed.
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Dom
18/03/2021 13:35:33 3 1
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Ignoring the fact most NHS privatisation was not only done by Labour but they introduced the legislation to allow it. Dont worry about the facts though
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18/03/2021 13:35:44 32 6
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But we can afford the £10 billion for more nukes that will never be used. War? Get round the table...its cheaper. Public services...raise taxes to pay for them.
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18/03/2021 13:39:35 8 3
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Do you think the nukes are the buy in for a trade deal with USA, like the 10 billion to EU?
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18/03/2021 16:19:03 0 0
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If that is what you want, a powerful national campaign to keep a fully national, non-privatised, NHS is needed, a.s.a.p.
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MP
18/03/2021 21:48:34 0 0
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I thought it was an extra 100 billion.
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18/03/2021 13:26:26 64 28
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The problem with the NHS is its inefficiencies and layers of management. The front line staff are a shining beacon of competence, but as a whole, it's a bottomless money pit. Throwing more money at it won't solve the issue, it'll likely just cause more waste. Perhaps it might be better to lessen the demand on the NHS? Better health education and exercise equipment discounts.
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18/03/2021 13:35:54 40 4
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The best exercise equipment is a pair of good shoes and a raincoat.
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18/03/2021 13:28:05 58 26
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Staff Shortages in the NHS are a directly a result of Brexit and the Royal College of Nursing highlighted this would be the case in 2 separate reports in 2016 and 2019
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18/03/2021 13:35:55 31 3
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That and the failure to keep funding in proportion to population and need. It could not be clearer that this is where potential threats lie and this is where money should be spent, not on weaponry, idiotic vanity projects and trying to control rather than serve the people of this country.
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18/03/2021 21:47:22 0 0
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Well said.
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18/03/2021 13:29:48 17 7
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Why would any health service be prepared!?! It’s a ridiculous thing to expect ???????
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18/03/2021 13:36:00 4 4
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No it's not. The Cygnus 2016 exercise said we could cope. And the health service was prepared. But in some areas, only just coped.

The people who weren't prepared were all the outsourced chums of the Tories in the private sector who fell flat on their face at immense cost. Like Dido Queen of Carnage.
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18/03/2021 13:57:00 4 0
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The problem is that we could cope when Cygnus was done, with a flu type pandemic. It's the cuts to PPE, pandemic planning and resale of warehousing among the private companies who lied about stocks etc, that did us in. Another privatisation that shows that, without regulation - private companies cannot be trusted (Movianto, which was sold for $133m (£107m) - with a warehouse of re-dated PPE)
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18/03/2021 13:36:09 16 13
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This Government will take no responsibility for their lack of planning or preparedness. The lack of staff and beds and the many other inadequacies are down to HMG concentrating on a ruinous brexit to the great detriment of the NHS.
A public inquiry should see jail sentences for those responsible for this debacle and their cronies who pocketed tax payer cash.
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18/03/2021 13:43:16 8 4
bbc
Simpleton statement devoid of any reasons or explanation whatever.
Anyone can post a pointless rant!!!!
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18/03/2021 13:28:38 21 16
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No. Covid is a virus, it didn't disable anything.

The lockdowns and decisions to close down vital services are what nearly disabled NHS. Cancelling cancer treatments is tantamount to medical negligence but hey, covid eh?

If a health service the size of the NHS can't deal with more than one illness at a time then its clearly not fit for purpose
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18/03/2021 13:36:14 2 2
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You are right - who made it unfit - who starved it of funds creating waiting lists, refused to staff correctly, let buildings and equipment go- they will be telling you how good a job they have done at next election
2016: The Torys told us a vote for Brexit would allow the NHS to be provided with an extra 350 mill per week in funding

2020/21: Nurses risk their lives all year, & many died trying to keep us healthy & the Torys say the UK is too poor to give them a pay rise above inflation

1 week later the Torys state they want to increase the UKs number of nuclear warheads to 260

Odd times indeed
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18/03/2021 13:36:27 76 9
bbc
The UK currently has roughly 200 nuclear warheads and it is estimated that setting off 100 or so would be enough to destroy the whole planet and all life on it

So why do we need to buy more?
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18/03/2021 13:42:05 5 18
bbc
It's called 'first strike survivability'

If an enemy thinks that they can neutralise all of our nuclear weapons in a surprise first strike then they are more likely to try. But if we still have sufficient weapons afterwards to retaliate...

It actually makes us safer. All part of the deterrent
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18/03/2021 13:42:36 16 5
bbc
Because the UK is an autocracy masquerading as a democracy. We are in league with Russia and China now.
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18/03/2021 14:26:45 3 3
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The whole planet and life on it?

The meteor that was responsible for killing the dinosaurs had the estimated energy of 21–921 billion Hiroshima A-bombs.

What came after the dinosaurs?

Modern nukes are obviously way more powerful... But do you really think 100 of them is even close to half a billion Hiroshimas?

I actually agree with your sentiment, but your "fact" causes me pain...
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18/03/2021 16:06:33 0 0
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How many nuclear warheads have the Chinese and Russians have, not to mention the Iranian wannabes.
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18/03/2021 21:20:08 0 0
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It depends how big they are which I don't think the UK discloses. We probably had more than 260 during the cold war. It will probably take several to sink an enemy nuclear submarine before it can launch it's missiles
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18/03/2021 13:36:49 25 1
bbc
The fact the health services were at near full capacity before any state of emergency happened is astounding to me. Where is our tax money going instead?
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18/03/2021 13:41:37 29 3
bbc
The accountants will (with some logic) claim paying for empty wards is a waste of taxpayers money. A full hospital is running efficiently. The problem is that there's no extra for an abnormal year.
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18/03/2021 13:44:23 7 1
bbc
Trident. HS2. Crossrail. Test+Trace. Dido Harding. And a chum of the Health Secretary.
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18/03/2021 14:25:42 6 0
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To Tory donors who were given contracts which were not put out to tender. It's illegal but somehow no action has been taken.
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18/03/2021 15:12:57 1 1
bbc
If the service was much less than near full capacity people would be complaining too much tax payers money was going to waste.
For a normal situation, near full capacity is ok as long as there is contingency plans for known and unknown surges (such as a bad winter flu, large-scale accident).
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18/03/2021 16:17:53 4 0
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Our tax money is far less than is paid towards health services in other European countries. We underfund it, and it looks as if we do not want to pay more for it.
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18/03/2021 13:36:58 6 2
bbc
And still the lockdown deniers persist.....
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18/03/2021 13:37:18 21 11
bbc
Strange how these people cannot stop talking when they are leaving ; but choose to say nothing when in post.
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18/03/2021 13:40:36 28 2
bbc
Because they'd be sacked if they spoke up while in the job. You see the same when senior military people retire. Its only when they leave the job they can speak freely.
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18/03/2021 13:43:34 6 0
bbc
I think he was busy dealing with a pandemic. And he was interviewed on the BBC4 'Newscast' radio programme a number of times. So yes, he did say something while in post.
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18/03/2021 13:37:50 9 8
bbc
More lazy, so called "journalism" from the BBC. Nearly disabled the NHS means its didn't and this from a man who manages the running of one hospital, not the entire hospital network.
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18/03/2021 13:39:49 6 4
bbc
More denial from someone who can't accept the NHS struggles every winter because its funding is completely inadequate compared to similar European services and staff are so demoralised there's a horrendous recruitment problem. 40% of GP jobs in the East Midlands can't be filled. The nightingale hospitals couldn't be staffed etc.
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18/03/2021 13:42:28 2 1
bbc
Why the hate? Because he says the outsourced parts of our healthcare were the only bits that actually failed?

I look at £12bn in 2020 spent on Test+Trace making 'no significant difference' and tend to agree.
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18/03/2021 13:35:19 1 6
bbc
Bit like the work force always want more, full of greed and mismanagement
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18/03/2021 13:38:05 5 0
bbc
Sorry? You're saying the workforce are the ones guilty of greed in our society? Have I read your comment correctly?
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18/03/2021 13:28:29 64 21
bbc
"Covid-19 nearly disabled NHS says hospital boss"

"Nearly" i.e. didn't

Just to put this in perspective, we have just faced a civilian health crisis worse than that during the second world war, and yet the NHS coped
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18/03/2021 13:38:08 60 4
bbc
If you credit his opinion, then his most telling comment was that the only bits of the Health Service that failed were those parts outsourced to the private sector. Like the Dido Queen of Carnage-led track+trace.
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18/03/2021 13:44:14 2 7
bbc
Track & trace now works (after the initial teething troubles)
How do you think they found that 'rogue' South African virus missing person?
Through the power of socialism, perhaps?
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18/03/2021 14:42:44 1 1
bbc
Well, he would say that, wouldn't he? I wonder what the answer would be if he asked patients which bits of the NHS they think have failed?
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18/03/2021 16:13:34 0 0
bbc
Just remind me, were the companies that researched and are providing the vaccines for the NHS to inject. part of the public sector? Not so black and white is it?
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18/03/2021 13:26:26 64 28
bbc
The problem with the NHS is its inefficiencies and layers of management. The front line staff are a shining beacon of competence, but as a whole, it's a bottomless money pit. Throwing more money at it won't solve the issue, it'll likely just cause more waste. Perhaps it might be better to lessen the demand on the NHS? Better health education and exercise equipment discounts.
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18/03/2021 13:38:23 11 2
bbc
I spent 30 yrs selling equipment to the NHS and visited virtually every hospital biomed dept in the UK. Some are very efficient and well run but some are definitely not. In some everything stops for a morning coffee break and afternoon tea break, depts shut down for lunch. Everyone leaves on the stroke of 4 pm (or their local official closing time). Repeat across multiple hosp depts...........
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18/03/2021 14:50:30 6 2
bbc
I worked as a hospital biochemist for a couple of years. £12,000 a year salary. Damned right I went home after 8 1/2 hrs at work and I took my lunchbreak. Given that the autoanalysers we'd spent all morning loading continued to do the work while I ate a sandwich its a bit irrelevant. Tired hungry staff make more mistakes too.
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18/03/2021 13:22:37 83 42
bbc
NHS needs a shake up - fantastic idea, poorly executed and poorly managed - need to keep it, doesn't need more money just manage it and the staff better
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18/03/2021 13:38:40 16 4
bbc
Please post costs of other health services that are so efficient, looking forward to your US stats........
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18/03/2021 13:28:05 58 26
bbc
Staff Shortages in the NHS are a directly a result of Brexit and the Royal College of Nursing highlighted this would be the case in 2 separate reports in 2016 and 2019
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18/03/2021 13:39:34 10 0
bbc
Yup. in 2017 they reported that 10,000 EU NHS nurses and clinicians went home early and didn't renew their contracts, in comparison to the usual 4-500. Never made the pages of The Mail, Telegraph or Express, of course.
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18/03/2021 13:35:44 32 6
bbc
But we can afford the £10 billion for more nukes that will never be used. War? Get round the table...its cheaper. Public services...raise taxes to pay for them.
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18/03/2021 13:39:35 8 3
bbc
Do you think the nukes are the buy in for a trade deal with USA, like the 10 billion to EU?
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18/03/2021 14:16:26 3 0
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That doesn't make much sense. We share missiles with the US but the subs and warheads are UK designed and UK built. If we'd made a large order for US military kit - like more F35s I'd wonder if you were onto something.

In excess of 250 warheads when we only have around 64 (16x4) warheads at sea at any time (maybe 128 if we somehow got two subs seaworthy at once) makes no sense at all.
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18/03/2021 13:26:26 64 28
bbc
The problem with the NHS is its inefficiencies and layers of management. The front line staff are a shining beacon of competence, but as a whole, it's a bottomless money pit. Throwing more money at it won't solve the issue, it'll likely just cause more waste. Perhaps it might be better to lessen the demand on the NHS? Better health education and exercise equipment discounts.
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18/03/2021 13:39:42 5 1
bbc
Is it, which health service models are more efficient, the land of the free, USA?
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18/03/2021 14:41:30 4 1
bbc
We are 18th, behind a significant chunk of Europe.
Comparing our healthcare to the US, is hardly setting the bar high. You should be comparing us to France or Italy.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/best-healthcare-in-the-world
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18/03/2021 13:37:50 9 8
bbc
More lazy, so called "journalism" from the BBC. Nearly disabled the NHS means its didn't and this from a man who manages the running of one hospital, not the entire hospital network.
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18/03/2021 13:39:49 6 4
bbc
More denial from someone who can't accept the NHS struggles every winter because its funding is completely inadequate compared to similar European services and staff are so demoralised there's a horrendous recruitment problem. 40% of GP jobs in the East Midlands can't be filled. The nightingale hospitals couldn't be staffed etc.
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18/03/2021 13:45:25 1 1
bbc
GP jobs are not the responsibility of the NHS. CCQ's contract General Practice and all are private enterprises. So if there IS a 40% shortfall of GP's 9which there isnt) it has to do with a lack of private commissioning.
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18/03/2021 13:22:37 83 42
bbc
NHS needs a shake up - fantastic idea, poorly executed and poorly managed - need to keep it, doesn't need more money just manage it and the staff better
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18/03/2021 13:40:08 23 7
bbc
NHS needs no such thing, what needs shaking up is the Tory attitude to it.

They cut NHS funding, in GDP terms down from 7.6% to 7.1%, which is a massive cut. They also dumped unfunded social care costs on to it.

NHS ran the vaccination programme brilliantly & would have done the same with test & trace, & PPE procurement, but instead the Tories outsourced those with billions to their mates!
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18/03/2021 14:22:32 0 5
bbc
I think I read that the NHS could not staff a nightingale hospital, so explain would they staff a call centre?
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18/03/2021 16:02:17 1 0
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too true and i bet those tories were buying the shares in their mate's companies as fast as possible
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18/03/2021 13:40:20 2 1
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NHS staff did well, NHS as an organisation is too bureaucratic. I think we need to look at what the NHS does and what the department of health does and look at the doubling up. And obviously, increase our numbers of doctors, nurses, beds etc to something like Germany.
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18/03/2021 13:46:35 2 2
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Some Nhs staff did extremely well; but many have been having a right old laugh at our expense. Now they are pushing for an across the board pay increase which will wrongly reward everyone. The trouble nowadays is that even to stand still we now need to train two people to fill one full time post as part time working is a growing problem right across the Nhs.
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18/03/2021 13:33:30 9 11
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The NHS was on it's knees before Covid. The Tories have wrecked it but let's have nukes instead.
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18/03/2021 13:40:25 2 2
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The people who work in it wrecked it years and years ago had nothing to do with governments. When you had consultants and nurses going sick and working for private company's and please dont say they didn't earn enough.
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18/03/2021 13:31:17 13 2
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His key point for me was that everything inside the NHS coped successfully. Everything outsourced to private chums of the Tries failed.
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jon
18/03/2021 13:40:31 3 0
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Yet so many have caught ciovid within NHS hospitals. Not forgetting clinitians discharging patients back into care homes. Overall well done to the NHS, especially the vaccine roll-out, but lets have some perspective.
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18/03/2021 13:37:18 21 11
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Strange how these people cannot stop talking when they are leaving ; but choose to say nothing when in post.
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18/03/2021 13:40:36 28 2
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Because they'd be sacked if they spoke up while in the job. You see the same when senior military people retire. Its only when they leave the job they can speak freely.
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18/03/2021 13:46:43 2 1
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The NHS has very robust and dedicated "Whistleblowing" policies. You'd know that if you had ever worked for them.
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18/03/2021 14:11:03 1 0
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Bloody obvious I would have thought!
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18/03/2021 13:32:58 4 0
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Its a pity the landlord doesn't accept payment in claps.
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18/03/2021 13:40:50 0 0
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Probably kept them all for themselves
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18/03/2021 13:41:08 57 9
bbc
Just compare test & trace (private) with the vaccination programme (nhs) if you want an idea of whether the NHS is managed and run properly when left to get on with it, without politicians lining the pockets of their mates.
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18/03/2021 14:45:32 10 14
bbc
Was that the vaccination programme that the Army helped roll out? Or is it if it's good it's the NHS, if it's bad it's the evil politicians?
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18/03/2021 13:36:49 25 1
bbc
The fact the health services were at near full capacity before any state of emergency happened is astounding to me. Where is our tax money going instead?
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18/03/2021 13:41:37 29 3
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The accountants will (with some logic) claim paying for empty wards is a waste of taxpayers money. A full hospital is running efficiently. The problem is that there's no extra for an abnormal year.
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18/03/2021 13:48:48 5 0
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I'd pick effectiveness over efficiency every time with our health service. We're going to be taxed all the same anyway.
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18/03/2021 20:35:58 3 0
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Would you buy a car and run it at top speed all day? Of course you wouldn't, for all sorts of sensible reasons such as unreasonable strain on the engine, increased breakdowns through wear, etc. The NHS should have sufficient beds to allow demand to be met when only 80-90% of beds are full. This would provide a buffer to cope with seasonal peaks such as flu and also pandemic outbreaks.
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18/03/2021 21:57:33 1 0
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The flaw in the argument is that it’s the accountants who make the claim. Having facilities that are not 100% utilized gives flexibility and capacity for training and maintenance, and the potential to cope with the odd peak in demand.
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18/03/2021 13:41:43 37 4
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In reality, it was disabled, as it was basically focused on one illness and the rest have had to wait
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18/03/2021 14:53:23 16 6
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Well, it was FORCED to "focus on one illness".

What do you think they should have done? Turn away covid patients?

You could have helped them to "focus on every illness" by respecting the rules.
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18/03/2021 13:33:03 186 72
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Billions have been spent on the NHS and every time they come back for more. Time for a total re-examination of the structure that rewards underachieving managers and fails to reward front line staff. Also time to invest in domestic pharmaceutical companies and manufacturing capacity, likewise PPE and hospital equipment to ensure that we are self sufficient in the future.
It doesn`t matter one jot how much you give the Nhs, it will always do an Oliver and keep on asking for more. The organisation is top heavy with managers and full of Spanish practices. It is wrongly held in my opinion in such high esteem in this country that there is no way it will be every be made to run efficiently. Powerful unions and the Labour party will make sure that never happens. Removed
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18/03/2021 13:50:14 34 8
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" Powerful unions and the Labour party"

Are you living in the 1970s? Unions have virtually no power and the current Labour Party are a busted flush!
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18/03/2021 14:19:01 20 2
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NHS is underfunded in comparison to most advanced economies in Europe. The Tories cut NHS spending from 7.6% of GDP down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care costs in the millions onto it.

USA pays 18% of GDP into its private system, 12% of that is Government subsidy (so Americans pay taxes & private insurance for a health service). Once your treatment eats up your cover = bankruptcy!
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18/03/2021 14:19:54 9 24
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Totally agree with you. NHS experience is mostly mediocre at best. Time for a total re-think.
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18/03/2021 14:24:33 4 1
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Spanish practices? Surely you mean English practices?
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18/03/2021 14:31:12 12 3
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You have to laugh at this nonsense! Powerful unions, and the labour party with any influence?
The right minded cannot bear the fact that the NHS is beloved in the UK and they aren't allowed to dismantle it so they can sell it off bit by bit so they can make money - the British people will make sure that this "efficiency" seeking (code for privatisation) never happens!
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18/03/2021 14:36:21 7 2
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Which UNIONS would those be? The BMA, The FTA, The NFU, The Royal College of Physicians, The Law Society,etc.etc.. Two of those are CLOSED SHOPS as well.
So I suggest you start again, if you have the cognitive skills, and state EXACTLY what your mean rathere than repeating dogma ad infinitum!!!
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18/03/2021 15:01:34 4 0
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Most of the inefficiency is due to changes brought in to prepare it for privatisation, the switch to a private health insurance system. Ungainly and over-expensive ways of running things. Efficiency and cost-effectiveness were sacrificed to dogmatic belief in an ideology, and not one subscribed to by Labour Party centrists, trade unionists or 'the left'.
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18/03/2021 15:18:23 3 0
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increase in population will always drain resources. The reality is that if we want a health service and new treatments we need to pay for all who need it.
Unions will ensure that staff are treated fairly and it should be illegal for any place of work to stop people from joining one.
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18/03/2021 15:22:06 5 2
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Unions and labour party have had no influence on NHS for 10 years, and you say problems are all their fault. Interesting analysis there.
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18/03/2021 15:42:03 3 0
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Whilst underfunding by Tory Governments can only guarantee success.
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18/03/2021 17:29:30 2 0
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You don't seem to be believed. Any clue about that ?
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18/03/2021 19:36:54 0 2
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Spot on.
The UK currently has roughly 200 nuclear warheads and it is estimated that setting off 100 or so would be enough to destroy the whole planet and all life on it

So why do we need to buy more?
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18/03/2021 13:42:05 5 18
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It's called 'first strike survivability'

If an enemy thinks that they can neutralise all of our nuclear weapons in a surprise first strike then they are more likely to try. But if we still have sufficient weapons afterwards to retaliate...

It actually makes us safer. All part of the deterrent
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18/03/2021 14:08:52 12 0
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But the question was, which you avoided, if it needs only 100 to destroy the planet, and we already have double that, do we need more?

I mean I know logic is a difficult subject for some, but surely the question wasn't hard?
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18/03/2021 15:02:57 3 0
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You do realise that to use the warhead it has to be on a trident missile, at a submarine at sea? Thats 64 maximum. The other 200 are all sitting in the bunkers at Coulport next to the sub base at Faslane.... or being serviced at Aldermaston. At this rate the ONE vanguard sub we have out at sea could be 30 years old because the replacements (which will carry 12 missiles not 16) are so delayed?
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NJO
18/03/2021 15:13:31 2 0
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But we only have 4 Trident subs to launch them from... only 1 or 2 at sea at anyone time and the others on overhaul... so it doesn't matter if we have 1000 weapons or 100 its limited to how many are on the 1 or 2 subs.. the rest are irrelevant as they would be gone in any attack on the mainland bases.
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BOF
18/03/2021 15:20:03 0 0
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Acronym MAD: mutually assured destruction.
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18/03/2021 15:34:20 1 0
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From nearly-obsolete Tridents? Apparently we are ready and willing to use them to hurl nukes at distant desk-jocky hackers. A proportionate response? All very gung-ho, putting the Great back into Britain stuff. Icing on the Brexit cake.
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18/03/2021 13:42:16 4 1
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Of course it did,even us outsiders can see the pressure our NHS is under.
The tory regime have never really come to terms from the reality........that being that our NHS is by the nation for the nation.
A 70% approval from the tory cabal is just not good enough........A 100% approval and support is required.
Far too many torys with their snouts in the Private Healthcare sector.
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18/03/2021 13:31:51 1 0
bbc
Look forward to seeing you up for MP election soon. Or will it spoil your walk?
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18/03/2021 13:42:16 0 1
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I've got golf for that!
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18/03/2021 15:22:51 0 0
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In your dreams, hacker.
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18/03/2021 13:25:56 110 8
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Deal with Staff shortages otherwise it just might collapse.
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18/03/2021 13:42:28 40 4
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Never forget there will be 50k 'extra' nurses partly driven by the ones that aren't going to quit.
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xlr
18/03/2021 13:54:01 12 2
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Well, *weren't* going to quit.

Being slapped with a pay cut as reward for all those long hours while we go on a nuke buying spree might change their minds though.
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18/03/2021 14:16:27 8 1
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The 50k now includes those who had retired who came back last March to help out because of Covid who will soon retire again
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18/03/2021 14:29:52 8 1
bbc
"The NHS went into the pandemic with 40,000 nurse vacancies, having lost 17,000 beds in 10 years, a £9bn maintenance backlog, a real terms pay cut and increasing waiting times."
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18/03/2021 15:08:44 2 0
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There are 40,000 Nursing vacancies, add the 50,000 Johnson promised, that gives a total of 90,000 nurses needed!
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18/03/2021 13:37:50 9 8
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More lazy, so called "journalism" from the BBC. Nearly disabled the NHS means its didn't and this from a man who manages the running of one hospital, not the entire hospital network.
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18/03/2021 13:42:28 2 1
bbc
Why the hate? Because he says the outsourced parts of our healthcare were the only bits that actually failed?

I look at £12bn in 2020 spent on Test+Trace making 'no significant difference' and tend to agree.
The UK currently has roughly 200 nuclear warheads and it is estimated that setting off 100 or so would be enough to destroy the whole planet and all life on it

So why do we need to buy more?
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18/03/2021 13:42:36 16 5
bbc
Because the UK is an autocracy masquerading as a democracy. We are in league with Russia and China now.
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JB
18/03/2021 13:33:33 5 4
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Hate to think if we have a real pandemic where the death survival rates was only 2% unlike this one
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18/03/2021 13:42:40 1 0
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Whats a "death survival" rate. BTW 25% of people hospitalised with covid die of covid. Thats comparable with Ebola.
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18/03/2021 13:42:41 0 4
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NHS boss says NHS good. NHS need more money.

And the news bit is?
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18/03/2021 13:46:51 5 1
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That a head of an NHS Trust comes out and says what everyone working in the NHS knows - that the orgy of outsourcing is a continuing mistake. And that the £billions being given to Tory Chums like Dido is a complete waste.
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18/03/2021 13:28:29 64 21
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"Covid-19 nearly disabled NHS says hospital boss"

"Nearly" i.e. didn't

Just to put this in perspective, we have just faced a civilian health crisis worse than that during the second world war, and yet the NHS coped
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The Tory Bots can't help but make silly comments. Removed
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18/03/2021 13:42:49 1 2
bbc
Doesn't it make sense to use intensive care beds for flu in the peaks and elective surgery cases the rest of the time than to maintain a 'flu surge' capacity year round that is only used for 8 weeks each year?
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18/03/2021 13:46:30 5 0
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No.
You obviously have no idea what types of patients are treated in ICU.
What about sepsis patients, respiratory patients, severe trauma?
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18/03/2021 13:36:09 16 13
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This Government will take no responsibility for their lack of planning or preparedness. The lack of staff and beds and the many other inadequacies are down to HMG concentrating on a ruinous brexit to the great detriment of the NHS.
A public inquiry should see jail sentences for those responsible for this debacle and their cronies who pocketed tax payer cash.
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18/03/2021 13:43:16 8 4
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Simpleton statement devoid of any reasons or explanation whatever.
Anyone can post a pointless rant!!!!
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18/03/2021 14:27:57 1 0
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And anyone can post a pointless reply but some of us don't resort to name calling.
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18/03/2021 13:34:23 35 3
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What a wonderful description of the NHS. We need to look after it and nurture it for all our own good.
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18/03/2021 13:37:18 21 11
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Strange how these people cannot stop talking when they are leaving ; but choose to say nothing when in post.
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18/03/2021 13:43:34 6 0
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I think he was busy dealing with a pandemic. And he was interviewed on the BBC4 'Newscast' radio programme a number of times. So yes, he did say something while in post.
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18/03/2021 13:30:11 6 4
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That's why we put the Nightingale Hospitals in place ??

Anything we didn't know
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18/03/2021 13:43:54 2 0
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YOU apparently don't know the nightingale hospitals were useless because there weren't any excess staff to man them.
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18/03/2021 13:30:11 6 4
bbc
That's why we put the Nightingale Hospitals in place ??

Anything we didn't know
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18/03/2021 13:44:00 1 0
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Who's this "we" you refer to?
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18/03/2021 13:38:08 60 4
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If you credit his opinion, then his most telling comment was that the only bits of the Health Service that failed were those parts outsourced to the private sector. Like the Dido Queen of Carnage-led track+trace.
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18/03/2021 13:44:14 2 7
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Track & trace now works (after the initial teething troubles)
How do you think they found that 'rogue' South African virus missing person?
Through the power of socialism, perhaps?
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18/03/2021 14:30:35 3 1
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What a success - it took two weeks to trace someone who had travelled all the way from Heathrow to Croydon.
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18/03/2021 13:36:49 25 1
bbc
The fact the health services were at near full capacity before any state of emergency happened is astounding to me. Where is our tax money going instead?
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18/03/2021 13:44:23 7 1
bbc
Trident. HS2. Crossrail. Test+Trace. Dido Harding. And a chum of the Health Secretary.
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18/03/2021 13:51:57 3 0
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Test+Trace in particular. This government would be sitting ducks if we had an opposition that could tell their arses from their elbows.
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18/03/2021 13:44:52 96 18
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I do enjoy the hypocrisy of far right populists. One minute, they're clapping the NHS on their doorsteps like performing sealions, the next minute, they're on HYS slagging off the NHS.

If you don't like our NHS, go and move to the USA.
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18/03/2021 13:47:49 37 76
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I think you'll find that it was mostly the virtue-signalling Left-whingers clapping the NHS.
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18/03/2021 13:54:47 18 4
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The Tory Bot Propaganda Machine is a disgrace.
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18/03/2021 15:05:42 3 1
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Source?
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dan
18/03/2021 18:47:51 0 1
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I don't agree with the hard right populists on anything. However, the worst thing this country did to the NHS is put it above reproach. To criticise the NHS is to criticise Britain in the eyes of many, despite the fact it is not unique in any way shape or form anymore
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18/03/2021 20:34:31 0 0
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Thailand has better health care than the UK. France has the best health care by comparable measures.

Now I'll enjoy people down voting my comment because it doesn't suit their preconceptions, not matter what a quick search of the facts reveal
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18/03/2021 20:38:17 0 0
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"If you don't like our NHS, go and move to the USA."

That is a really crap argument. Do you really think anyone who dares criticise anything about their country is some kind of out-group traitor? For goodness sake, if no-one is ever allowed to point out the flaws in anything, how can anything ever be improved?

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Traitorous-Critic-Fallacy
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18/03/2021 13:33:34 18 6
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Surely the failure is from the beginning of parliament? If there’s a failure in crisis and recovery planning and management, we can’t time stamp when it should’ve been planned for, other than day one of parliament and central government.
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18/03/2021 13:45:17 2 1
bbc
You are right, you have to pick a start point and maybe 10 years is too short but the last NHS reorganisation to make fit for purpose was Lansbury - they reviewed NHS then and got a clear view then, that’s the last time govt looked and then had years to act - but didn’t
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18/03/2021 13:58:50 2 0
bbc
Oops Lansley not Lansbury sorry - 2011 review and govt act.

Benchmark point for today’s mess
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18/03/2021 13:39:49 6 4
bbc
More denial from someone who can't accept the NHS struggles every winter because its funding is completely inadequate compared to similar European services and staff are so demoralised there's a horrendous recruitment problem. 40% of GP jobs in the East Midlands can't be filled. The nightingale hospitals couldn't be staffed etc.
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18/03/2021 13:45:25 1 1
bbc
GP jobs are not the responsibility of the NHS. CCQ's contract General Practice and all are private enterprises. So if there IS a 40% shortfall of GP's 9which there isnt) it has to do with a lack of private commissioning.
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18/03/2021 13:57:13 3 0
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Sorry, there is a 40% shortfall in the East Mids. The reason is that medical students don't want to be GPs. For some bizarre reason GPs- who as you point out aren't NHS - are the gate keepers for the NHS. If you want your funny lump checked out be an Oncologist you need to persuade your GP to refer you and that requires a GP to actually look at you.
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18/03/2021 13:35:29 6 2
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I think you will find that IT DID disable the NHS!! Appointments cancelled here there and everywhere, wards closed and now waiting lists as long as the Great Wall of C.H.I.N.A!

It was disabled categorically!!!!!
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18/03/2021 13:51:02 3 4
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It wasn`t the Nhs that was disabled, it was the flawed decision by managers to close clinics and to send staff home on full pay or have them standing around doing diddly squat eating all the free food and maxing out on their 10% discount at supermarkets and food outlets. Plus of course posting endless pics on SM as to what a torrid time they were having.
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18/03/2021 13:54:06 3 0
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Of course it was, but you're up against the Tory Bot Propaganda Machine!