P&O Cruises says travellers will need vaccinations
17/03/2021 | news | business | 440
Customers will have to prove they have had two coronavirus jabs to get on the company's cruises.
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17/03/2021 10:26:03 29 25
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Good, let’s hope all travel will do the same. Then shops, Pubs, leisure centres and so on.
The only exception on medical grounds. Nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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17/03/2021 10:28:45 20 14
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I absolutely agree. this is the right thing to do.
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17/03/2021 10:38:11 0 0
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Medical grounds?
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17/03/2021 11:54:22 0 7
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 13:46:27 0 2
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I'd rather they did testing than use vaccination. I dont think being vaccinated stops you having or passing on the COVID
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17/03/2021 10:26:03 29 25
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Good, let’s hope all travel will do the same. Then shops, Pubs, leisure centres and so on.
The only exception on medical grounds. Nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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17/03/2021 10:28:45 20 14
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I absolutely agree. this is the right thing to do.
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17/03/2021 10:39:56 1 0
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If you are vulnerable and you know who you are, don’t go.
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17/03/2021 10:31:31 36 10
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Twice around the Harbour, 5 grand please...
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17/03/2021 10:32:35 4 4
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I think this is a sensible move, at least for the foreseeable future. At least people will feel a little safer on a trip. Hopefully all crew etc will be asked to do the same. My only worry would be when people go for their little jaunts at all the ports, which will be requested by voyagers. The vaccine is not 100% and is yet to be seen it it can still be carried by those already fully vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 11:10:13 4 0
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The summer cruises are just jaunts around the coast, not stopping anywhere so no won't be an issue.
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17/03/2021 11:41:24 0 0
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The article states there will be no port visits for the clients.
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
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so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 10:40:09 69 6
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Bliss....ironically
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17/03/2021 10:42:12 13 1
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Bonus
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17/03/2021 10:47:46 6 2
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Probably no under 50's.
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17/03/2021 11:18:28 8 1
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Happy Days!!!
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17/03/2021 11:10:32 8 1
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Thank God for that!
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17/03/2021 12:00:25 5 13
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So age discrimination then.
I'm pretty sure that's illegal under the equality act.
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17/03/2021 12:42:40 4 5
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Yep, i'd imagine most of those kids won't exactly be devastated that they can't go on a cruise. Kind of ironic though that the young who lost their education and jobs to protect the old will now get told they can't travel while all those they were protecting can...
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17/03/2021 13:13:20 7 3
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Kids aren't part of the vaccination roll-out so don't have to. Neither would a cancer patient. Refusers however are idiots and shouldn't be allowed.
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17/03/2021 13:33:16 2 0
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Wohoo!
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17/03/2021 14:37:07 1 1
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Also the 20 year old behind the bar and the cleaning staff in their 30s will either still be waiting or only had one dose. Not thought this through P&O have we!!
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17/03/2021 15:45:25 2 0
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Can this be rolled out to other forms of transport too?
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17/03/2021 10:39:01 9 8
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A vaccine passport makes complete sense and the UK should add it as a feature to the NHS app. In the future it'd be great to have it carrying a record of all your innoculations as I've no idea what I've had. Time to empower us with our own medical records.
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17/03/2021 10:55:55 8 0
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You are entitled to your medical records anytime, just need to ask.
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17/03/2021 11:42:49 0 0
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I have a card which I got from my GP which is updated each time I have a vaccination or booster.
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17/03/2021 11:56:56 1 4
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 12:59:38 1 0
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The NHS app is inaccessible using voiceover and other access technology. Tried to use it and got rid of it as it was useless to me as a blind person.

Plus, I don't want my medical records on a smartphone which if stolen would give access to anybody who got the device.

No thanks, passports for medication is a bad and discriminatory idea.
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
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so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 10:40:09 69 6
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Bliss....ironically
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:41:57 19 3
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It is inevitable that "vaccine passports" will be introduced sooner or later.

Is this the start of Identity Cards?
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17/03/2021 10:52:26 0 0
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Notice that the date by which you could ‘contribute’ to the new digital ID plan was 11th March.
Kept that quiet didn’t they!
oh god here we go, tell us all about the Nazi's as though it's something we dont know

yawn
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17/03/2021 12:46:50 4 0
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What’s the problem with identity cards? I will keep it with my photo-I/D drivers licence, bus pass, and passport that I currently use to prove my identity.
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17/03/2021 13:41:29 3 0
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What are the problems with ID cards? It works in other countries so why not here?
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18/03/2021 00:15:29 0 0
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Labour spent billions trying to figure out how to implement identity cards. And we have a government that spent billions just procuring PPE so good look with that.
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
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so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 10:42:12 13 1
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Bonus
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17/03/2021 10:42:46 30 8
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"We anticipate by the 27 June, which is our first sailing, there will be a government-accredited scheme to prove your vaccination"

Fat chance. If they do bring one in it will be late, difficult to administer, full of mistakes, open to fraud and cost millions in back handers to pals.
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17/03/2021 13:00:26 12 13
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Plus not mandatory if I understand correctly which is good.

Hopefully P&O will realise what a mistake they've made and how foolish they look when their ships sail with nobody on them.
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17/03/2021 14:29:01 0 0
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There already is an NhS approved scheme, and sure have read that all vaccinations are visible / shown in the NHS app.

That's not the new Covid tracker app, but the actual NHS app.

But really needs a proper secure card to an agreed international standard, for all.

A bit like the passport biometric chips.
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17/03/2021 10:43:04 76 27
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Personally I have never seen the appeal of a floating care home but each to their own.
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17/03/2021 10:59:52 69 3
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Cheaper than a care home, and better food!
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17/03/2021 17:20:20 1 0
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No getting to airports hours in advance, unpack only once, visit a number of countries, good food, entertainment every evening, doctor on call if needed, sit in the sun ..... a fantastic holiday being enjoyed by more and more people every year.
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17/03/2021 17:22:25 0 1
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The immune system of older people is weaker than younger people. Alcohol also weakens your immune system.

Maybe the BBC could let us all know what the health risks of an old person drinking in a crowded bar actually are?

The BBC does like a health story after all.
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17/03/2021 10:45:29 4 0
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Do pack 'em in and maximize profit cruise ships have a future?

I doubt it.
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17/03/2021 10:47:23 22 1
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With no requirement for staff to be vaccinated what happens when staff test positive?
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17/03/2021 11:52:44 9 24
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
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so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 10:47:46 6 2
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Probably no under 50's.
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17/03/2021 10:47:48 37 8
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I heard the guy from P&O on R4 this morning. He didn't have a clue about anything other than selling tickets to the right sort of punters. The interviewer asked him what would happen if there was an outbreak, mid-cruise. Roaring silence. Stay well clear.
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17/03/2021 11:18:21 21 3
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Indeed . What about the crew? Difficult to see how they all get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 14:17:13 2 1
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Saga Coronavirus Q&A Today: 'as soon as crew can be vaccinated they will be'

i.e. there's no guarantee ANY of the crew will be vaccinated.

Which is outrageous.

Clients will have to have both jabs. If they can't have a jab for medical reasons, they can't board. But the crew can happily arrive unimmunised with a massive viral load and that's somehow OK.
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17/03/2021 15:26:30 1 1
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And how come it was the President of Cunard who was answering questions about P&O's new programme? No wonder he didn't sound confident! Or maybe the two Carnival companies plan to merge?
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17/03/2021 10:48:13 144 46
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Vaccinated only and so it should be! All these anti-Vaxers moaning about ‘rights’ just like the ‘exemption’ crowds not wearing masks. If you choose to be selfish while everyone else makes sure we look after ourselves and each other then you can stay at home and everyone will be better for it.
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17/03/2021 11:02:56 46 97
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Why are you lumping anti-vaxers with people concerned about their privacy? I've been vaccinated but I will not share my private medical data with any organisation outside healthcare provision. Not that i'd ever consider a petri-dish cruise.

A 'vaccine passport' is a non-starter without requiring biometric authentication, which is just another name for a national ID system.
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17/03/2021 11:38:14 8 14
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 12:02:07 1 5
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There's no requirement for the crew to be vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 12:44:26 5 14
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OK then but don't expect the "anti vaxers" to look after you if the long term effects of the vaccine kick in.
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17/03/2021 12:58:10 2 1
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Far too many generalisation. Not everyone is an anti-vaxer. Many of the 'exemption' crowds do have valid reasons. It is a shame that some poeple take advantage, but please feel for those that do this from necessity.
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17/03/2021 13:02:09 5 9
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People who are exempt from wearing masks are NOT being selfish. We are exercising our rights under law. The rules permit people with medical exemption not to wear masks so we are therefore entitled to go anywhere others are

Maybe its the ableists like you who need to stay at home so we don't have to listen to your bigoted, ableist nonsense.
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Jam
17/03/2021 13:19:36 3 2
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Vaccination does stop you being infected and passing virus to others, testing before travel is the only way to limit spread.
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17/03/2021 13:25:29 2 8
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Having legitimate queries about the vaccine does not make you an anti-vaxer. Quite clearly no one knows the long term effects of this vaccine.
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17/03/2021 13:26:33 2 8
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Like your average German-on-the-street in the 1930s and 40s, we believed that doing what we were told and supporting the national cause would save us and our families.
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17/03/2021 14:57:34 2 1
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You can still catch covid and pass it on after vaccination. Its insane how many people aren't aware of this.
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17/03/2021 15:54:51 2 0
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It was always going to be the commercial enterprises that pushed the vaccination requirements.
Offering vaccination only cruises is obviously a good selling point as so many people want the extra safety.
And if you never share medical details how did you ever get travel insurance
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17/03/2021 17:15:56 0 1
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Pro-vaxxer
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17/03/2021 19:56:51 0 1
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'If you choose to be selfish while everyone else makes sure we look after ourselves and each other then you can stay at home and everyone will be better for it'

Curiously enough, this logic hasn't applied for the past year when those who were worried about catching the deadly Rona insisted that seventy million perfectly healthy people be locked up instead of staying at home themselves.
Another ignorant idiot who needs to educate himself on the so-called 'exemption crowds'. Get over yourself. Maybe you should be the one who stays at home. That's what I'd do if I was so paranoid about catching covid and reliant on others. Removed
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17/03/2021 10:51:28 3 4
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They are just floating Butlins camp sites, no thanks. Much prefer a diving liveaboard to experience the pleasure of the ocean.
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17/03/2021 11:42:04 1 0
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So speaks someone who has either never sailed on a cruise ship or who has sailed on a family-friendly, sparkly juggernaut of a ship. The good thing about cruising is that there is a wide choice of huge ships to small ships and from family friendly to adult only. Do the research and choose the cruise that suits you best. Not all cruise ships are the same.
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17/03/2021 10:52:25 17 7
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I agree about their vaccine policy, but the wearing of masks does not make any sense? Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine? Who wants to go on holiday and wear a mask. I'll wait until they change the rules, and won't cruise again until they do.
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17/03/2021 10:58:23 26 12
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Haven't you been listening these past 3 months - the vaccine helps to prevent you developing serious illness from Covid if you catch it, (and thus hopefully keeps you out of hospital) - it has not yet been proven to prevent transmission amd that is why the government have said that in public places masks and social distancing will continue to be apart of our lives for the forseeable future
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17/03/2021 10:56:10 2 3
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Re: Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine?

Because it is no guarantee of immunity. It just reduces the risk of infection. Some people have had COVID several times. Some simply cannot get it. But, rather than identify those that can get it and carry it, just jab ‘em up. We’ve got 320, 000,000 doses to dump somewhere!
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17/03/2021 11:17:26 4 3
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Makes no sense and it’s so frustrating.

Once you have received two vaccines there should be no more mask wearing. It’s ridiculous

The only people who ought to be wearing it are those who can’t for medical reasons, those who are waiting on their full vaccinations and those who refuse to get vaccinated!

Everyone else ought to be free from the muzzle!!
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17/03/2021 11:42:41 1 0
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Because they need to maintain the atmosphere of panic and emergency, d’uh
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17/03/2021 11:55:10 2 3
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 10:26:03 29 25
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Good, let’s hope all travel will do the same. Then shops, Pubs, leisure centres and so on.
The only exception on medical grounds. Nothing else!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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17/03/2021 10:38:11 0 0
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Medical grounds?
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17/03/2021 12:54:44 2 0
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Only if the vaccine is not suitable for that person. NO religious grounds,
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17/03/2021 10:55:39 7 8
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Ocean going monsters. How much damage to our dying oceans does one of these cause just for humans to do as they like.
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17/03/2021 11:50:24 0 1
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We need to have some balance in our lives. It's not all or nothing. If we adopt your approach we might as well just go and live in a cave and go and find a woolly mammoth to kill to feed the family. (Vegan and veggie options also available...possibly.)
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17/03/2021 10:39:01 9 8
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A vaccine passport makes complete sense and the UK should add it as a feature to the NHS app. In the future it'd be great to have it carrying a record of all your innoculations as I've no idea what I've had. Time to empower us with our own medical records.
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17/03/2021 10:55:55 8 0
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You are entitled to your medical records anytime, just need to ask.
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17/03/2021 11:04:28 0 1
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But not if you are not in the UK at time of request and also there are different forms of request: GO, Area Health Authority.
The system is designed to discourage requests.
Essentially, the information may be ABOUT you but it is not your information. It belongs to the agency that collected it.
Get the idea?
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17/03/2021 10:28:45 20 14
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I absolutely agree. this is the right thing to do.
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17/03/2021 10:39:56 1 0
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If you are vulnerable and you know who you are, don’t go.
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17/03/2021 12:56:50 2 0
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If you are an ableist and you know you are like yourself then don't comment on things you know nothing about.

Vulnerable people are entitled to have a life. I'm vulnerable, but will be travelling when able. Mask-less as the law permits.

Why should we have our lives put on hold just to suit the majority of people.
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17/03/2021 10:57:14 6 12
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I've been vaccinated but there is no way I'm sharing my health information with these companies.

They all say 'privacy of data and health of our customers' is our priority. Who do they think they are kidding? Making a profit is their priority and they'll cut every corner to mak a buck. BA let the details of 500k customers be hacked, including credit card numbers, names, addresses and CVV code.
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Bob
17/03/2021 11:07:31 8 2
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Proving you've had a vaccine is hardly sharing your health information, is it.

Your gangrene secret is safe, don't worry.
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17/03/2021 11:23:17 1 1
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Jurassic Park you are a dinosaur
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17/03/2021 11:52:24 0 0
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Do you REALLY believe that? With massive (profits-related) fines that Privacy Regulators are now dishing out, now that they have some teeth companies will not be playing fast and loose with personal information simply to make a profit.
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17/03/2021 10:52:25 17 7
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I agree about their vaccine policy, but the wearing of masks does not make any sense? Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine? Who wants to go on holiday and wear a mask. I'll wait until they change the rules, and won't cruise again until they do.
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17/03/2021 10:58:23 26 12
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Haven't you been listening these past 3 months - the vaccine helps to prevent you developing serious illness from Covid if you catch it, (and thus hopefully keeps you out of hospital) - it has not yet been proven to prevent transmission amd that is why the government have said that in public places masks and social distancing will continue to be apart of our lives for the forseeable future
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17/03/2021 11:05:40 5 4
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You clearly havent read the rules, everyone on the ship will have had the vaccine, so there's absolutely no point in wearing a mask, If everyone has had the vaccine what can anyone catch? We now need to live our lives as normal and no be so blinkered as to totally focusing on one virus. I can imagine "Sydney" your the type of person that justs wants to live your life in a glass bubble !
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17/03/2021 10:43:04 76 27
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Personally I have never seen the appeal of a floating care home but each to their own.
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17/03/2021 10:59:52 69 3
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Cheaper than a care home, and better food!
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17/03/2021 12:03:54 4 3
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And if you die your body is usually found pretty quickly, better than if you live alone (sad/morose I know but this is a genuine reason for many old people)
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17/03/2021 11:01:40 77 28
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No brainwashed anti-vaxxers allowed on board makes cruises strangely appealing.
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17/03/2021 11:51:12 19 50
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Anti-vaxxers hmm, I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 14:39:26 2 2
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No one to pour the drinks as the bar staff in their 20s - 40s will still be waiting for their vaccines. I guess the passengers can wash their own dishes!!!
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17/03/2021 17:17:00 0 1
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Full of apath pro-vaxxers. Never were appealing.
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17/03/2021 10:48:13 144 46
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Vaccinated only and so it should be! All these anti-Vaxers moaning about ‘rights’ just like the ‘exemption’ crowds not wearing masks. If you choose to be selfish while everyone else makes sure we look after ourselves and each other then you can stay at home and everyone will be better for it.
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17/03/2021 11:02:56 46 97
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Why are you lumping anti-vaxers with people concerned about their privacy? I've been vaccinated but I will not share my private medical data with any organisation outside healthcare provision. Not that i'd ever consider a petri-dish cruise.

A 'vaccine passport' is a non-starter without requiring biometric authentication, which is just another name for a national ID system.
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17/03/2021 11:38:55 19 3
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Presumably your 'petri-dish cruise' comment means you have never cruised and know nothing about cruising other than the rubbish you have read. Their cleaning and sanitisation regime is already way above most hotels and airlines and they have invested heavily in hospital-grade ventilation and sanitation. They'll be safe places to be. You can be sure of that.
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17/03/2021 11:41:42 7 9
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Yep, it’ll quickly evolve into a social credit scoring system like they have in CCP ????
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17/03/2021 11:59:53 6 16
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You know It already is right? The tories sold your medical records off to google years ago
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17/03/2021 12:12:46 15 1
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Don't go on a cruise then, and most likely don't fly anywhere because the airline will want proof of vaccination before they'll take you to a country that requires it (and that will be most). You'll be doing the UK economy a big favour too.
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17/03/2021 13:29:36 12 1
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"I've been vaccinated but I will not share my private medical data with any organisation outside healthcare provision."

You just did..?????
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17/03/2021 13:36:05 6 4
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What's wrong with a National ID system? It works in other countries and would make it a lot easier to actually control our population and immigration.
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17/03/2021 14:07:54 4 0
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So you would not go to a country where yellow fever was required.
Your choice.
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17/03/2021 14:18:25 4 1
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Like the finger print they take at many country borders? What about yellow fever jab certificates required in your passport for countries. If you want to sit at home, be our guest!
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17/03/2021 14:27:16 4 0
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'A 'vaccine passport' is a non-starter without requiring biometric authentication'

No, it's not.
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17/03/2021 14:30:35 3 1
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I do laugh when people spout on about privacy. Your supermarket knows more about you than any government. Also your insurance would need to know your medical history! We already have quasi ID in your bank card, driving license and passport!
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17/03/2021 14:38:43 2 0
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If you are going on a cruise, some health data must be furnished, especially if you need special treatment. Similarly when flying.
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17/03/2021 10:58:23 26 12
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Haven't you been listening these past 3 months - the vaccine helps to prevent you developing serious illness from Covid if you catch it, (and thus hopefully keeps you out of hospital) - it has not yet been proven to prevent transmission amd that is why the government have said that in public places masks and social distancing will continue to be apart of our lives for the forseeable future
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17/03/2021 11:05:40 5 4
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You clearly havent read the rules, everyone on the ship will have had the vaccine, so there's absolutely no point in wearing a mask, If everyone has had the vaccine what can anyone catch? We now need to live our lives as normal and no be so blinkered as to totally focusing on one virus. I can imagine "Sydney" your the type of person that justs wants to live your life in a glass bubble !
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17/03/2021 11:24:11 2 1
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If there's no point, why do you think the ships are telling you to wear them - they know that no one willingly wears them and if they felt it was totally safe for all their passengers not to wear them in public areas, don't you think they'd be over the moon to say so. And no, I don't live in a glass bubble - I'm already booked on one, with fingers crossed, (and mask on standby in pocket) in 2022
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17/03/2021 11:46:08 1 2
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and how does that deal with you travelling to the ship, getting on and off the ship, visiting the ports and the like. Andy, I guess you're the type of person who never considers anybody but yourself!
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17/03/2021 10:57:14 6 12
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I've been vaccinated but there is no way I'm sharing my health information with these companies.

They all say 'privacy of data and health of our customers' is our priority. Who do they think they are kidding? Making a profit is their priority and they'll cut every corner to mak a buck. BA let the details of 500k customers be hacked, including credit card numbers, names, addresses and CVV code.
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Bob
17/03/2021 11:07:31 8 2
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Proving you've had a vaccine is hardly sharing your health information, is it.

Your gangrene secret is safe, don't worry.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:21:28 3 1
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no one cares about the ghonnorea either
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17/03/2021 11:30:21 0 1
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How is it not sharing my private health information?
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RC
17/03/2021 10:47:24 0 9
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Does this not constitute indirect age discrimination? It's unlikely most under 40's would be able to travel until the Autumn through no choice of their own.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:20:13 2 0
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it would be if an under 40 actually wanted to go on a criuse
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:41:57 19 3
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It is inevitable that "vaccine passports" will be introduced sooner or later.

Is this the start of Identity Cards?
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17/03/2021 10:49:44 8 3
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Norivurus is more likely on board cruise ships.
Vaccine required?
Thought not!
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17/03/2021 11:10:04 1 8
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Well we have said that is the end of travel for me and the other half. I am having the jab but will refuse to prove I have had just to go abroad. I do not trust these people with my medical records thankyouverymuch.
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17/03/2021 11:54:57 0 0
bbc
Excellent news! It's probably better that you self isolate for the rest of your life. Clearly no-one other than you and 'the other half' are the only trustworthy people on the planet.
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17/03/2021 12:32:48 0 0
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Laughable
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RC
17/03/2021 10:51:12 2 8
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Does this not amount to indirect age discrimination? It's unlikely healthy under 40's will have had both vaccinations before the Autumn and currently the vaccinations are not approved for the use in children. That is not their choice.
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17/03/2021 11:55:32 1 1
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Snowflakes, it was the younger generation who were the major cause of the second lockdown with illegal parties, insisting it was their right to enjoy the "University experience" this is why many people opt for hotels that do not cater for the must get drunk and act stupid brigade
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17/03/2021 12:14:18 0 0
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No - the same rule applies to everyone.
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17/03/2021 10:32:35 4 4
bbc
I think this is a sensible move, at least for the foreseeable future. At least people will feel a little safer on a trip. Hopefully all crew etc will be asked to do the same. My only worry would be when people go for their little jaunts at all the ports, which will be requested by voyagers. The vaccine is not 100% and is yet to be seen it it can still be carried by those already fully vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 11:10:13 4 0
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The summer cruises are just jaunts around the coast, not stopping anywhere so no won't be an issue.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:41:57 19 3
bbc
It is inevitable that "vaccine passports" will be introduced sooner or later.

Is this the start of Identity Cards?
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17/03/2021 10:52:26 0 0
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Notice that the date by which you could ‘contribute’ to the new digital ID plan was 11th March.
Kept that quiet didn’t they!
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17/03/2021 11:12:33 7 7
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I'd sooner gnaw my own leg off, than go on a cruise.

Stuck on a boat for days with a load of awful blokes in blazers, catching every lurgy available ? Whilst being "entertained" by Jane McDonald ?

No thanks.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:19:20 2 4
bbc
I imagine it's a bit different when you're 80 and other options are limited.. with all the other old people all like 'I dont trust them newfangled air-o-plane things'
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17/03/2021 11:15:21 1 0
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As one crew member said to me "Jane McDonald has a lot to answer for" !
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17/03/2021 11:55:41 0 1
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Do the research before talking tat.
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17/03/2021 11:13:19 59 9
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who would book to go on a cruise if you have to wear a face mask, socially distance, no shore excursions, and all even after you had a vaccination!!! you would be mad to give them your money to jump on a floating prison.
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17/03/2021 11:17:16 25 28
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More like a floating petri dish. I think the days of cruises are long gone.
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17/03/2021 13:55:14 1 2
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And leave in an ambulance with COVID19 from the present statistics
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17/03/2021 14:38:14 1 1
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It's a patriotic duty to prop up cruise companies! Obviously it would be better if everyone simply paid a few hundred pounds and wore a silicone ribbon to document their support. How about an "adopt crew member" campaign to receive 'crapdates' (crew-related-activity updates) once a month? Text 'BoJo' to the following number xxx... to donate just £50 per month and receive a model boat for home.
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17/03/2021 20:32:11 0 1
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I love cruising and actually have a cruise for August cancelled by P&O but this offering is a complete let down. No stops means it is a non-starter from us. The alternative of stops in our great sea ports of the Scottish Isles had some appeal.
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17/03/2021 21:09:03 1 0
bbc
I'm not sure if that's a question or a statement. But if it's a question I suggest the answer is:- People who may wish to go to the pub again, people who want to go out (yes, on a cruise ship it can feel like that) without the fear of getting a random fine, or perhaps just people tired of their own house and area. Not everyone lives in the pleasant place you obviously do.
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17/03/2021 11:14:05 26 13
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Good for P&O. If I go on a cruise safe in the knowledge that my fellow passengers have also been vaccinated then I would feel a lot more relaxed. I'd rather wait until they can go further afield though rather than paying £350 to do laps of the Isle of Wight for 3 days!
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17/03/2021 10:52:25 17 7
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I agree about their vaccine policy, but the wearing of masks does not make any sense? Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine? Who wants to go on holiday and wear a mask. I'll wait until they change the rules, and won't cruise again until they do.
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17/03/2021 10:56:10 2 3
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Re: Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine?

Because it is no guarantee of immunity. It just reduces the risk of infection. Some people have had COVID several times. Some simply cannot get it. But, rather than identify those that can get it and carry it, just jab ‘em up. We’ve got 320, 000,000 doses to dump somewhere!
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17/03/2021 11:16:46 4 0
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What about the crew?
How do they get their jabs legally by the time P&O seem to be looking at
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17/03/2021 10:52:25 17 7
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I agree about their vaccine policy, but the wearing of masks does not make any sense? Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine? Who wants to go on holiday and wear a mask. I'll wait until they change the rules, and won't cruise again until they do.
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17/03/2021 11:17:26 4 3
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Makes no sense and it’s so frustrating.

Once you have received two vaccines there should be no more mask wearing. It’s ridiculous

The only people who ought to be wearing it are those who can’t for medical reasons, those who are waiting on their full vaccinations and those who refuse to get vaccinated!

Everyone else ought to be free from the muzzle!!
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17/03/2021 10:47:48 37 8
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I heard the guy from P&O on R4 this morning. He didn't have a clue about anything other than selling tickets to the right sort of punters. The interviewer asked him what would happen if there was an outbreak, mid-cruise. Roaring silence. Stay well clear.
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17/03/2021 11:18:21 21 3
bbc
Indeed . What about the crew? Difficult to see how they all get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 11:34:31 8 1
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All crew on all the major cruise lines that I have searched (Cunard, P&O, Princess, Celebrity, Holland America, Saga, Viking, NCL, Royal Caribbean) will be vaccinated and all will be subject to the same daily testing that passengers will have to undergo.
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
bbc
so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 11:18:28 8 1
bbc
Happy Days!!!
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RC
17/03/2021 11:00:42 1 1
bbc
Is it okay for people to be allowed, or not allowed, to go on holiday primarily on the basis of age?
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17/03/2021 11:20:11 3 0
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Club 18-30 have got away with it for years!
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17/03/2021 11:58:58 0 0
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These are strange times when our normal freedoms have had to be curtailed. Most sensible people won't like it, but they accept it for the greater good. So, right now, yes, it's perfectly OK for holidays to be restricted by age (indirectly as a result of vaccination policy.). It won't be forever, although some conspiracy theorist will reply in a moment that it will be forever.
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17/03/2021 11:59:22 3 0
bbc
Have you heard of Saga?
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17/03/2021 11:18:37 0 0
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So do we now need a vaccine passport.?
How much will that cost us?
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17/03/2021 11:32:01 0 0
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millions
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17/03/2021 11:12:33 7 7
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I'd sooner gnaw my own leg off, than go on a cruise.

Stuck on a boat for days with a load of awful blokes in blazers, catching every lurgy available ? Whilst being "entertained" by Jane McDonald ?

No thanks.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:19:20 2 4
bbc
I imagine it's a bit different when you're 80 and other options are limited.. with all the other old people all like 'I dont trust them newfangled air-o-plane things'
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RC
17/03/2021 11:00:42 1 1
bbc
Is it okay for people to be allowed, or not allowed, to go on holiday primarily on the basis of age?
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17/03/2021 11:20:11 3 0
bbc
Club 18-30 have got away with it for years!
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17/03/2021 11:35:27 0 0
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Club 18-30 shut down its operation in October 2018.
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RC
17/03/2021 10:47:24 0 9
bbc
Does this not constitute indirect age discrimination? It's unlikely most under 40's would be able to travel until the Autumn through no choice of their own.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:20:13 2 0
bbc
it would be if an under 40 actually wanted to go on a criuse
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17/03/2021 10:55:55 8 0
bbc
You are entitled to your medical records anytime, just need to ask.
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17/03/2021 11:04:28 0 1
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But not if you are not in the UK at time of request and also there are different forms of request: GO, Area Health Authority.
The system is designed to discourage requests.
Essentially, the information may be ABOUT you but it is not your information. It belongs to the agency that collected it.
Get the idea?
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17/03/2021 11:20:50 38 14
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Reading some of the posts on here I think that people have got the wrong idea about proving if they have had the vaccine. It has nothing to do with medical records. All you have to do is prove you have had the jab, not show that you were treated for STDs or you had a tonsillectomy at 5 years old. Get the jab, get the passport get a holiday.
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17/03/2021 11:30:39 17 11
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The fact that you have had the vaccine is a medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:39:48 0 8
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How is whether I've been vaccinated not health information? Next it will be insurance companies refusing health or medical or employee or employer insurance if you / your staff haven't been vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 12:49:14 1 12
bbc
Why should any company illegally demand to know any confidential medical record of anyone? Should nightclubs demand a negative AIDS test before allowing you in? Should Santa demand a child has MMR jab before allowing them into his grotto?
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17/03/2021 14:00:31 1 1
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Except that being vaccinated only results in a reduction in the risk of infection / transmission by about 13rd. So no holidays yet
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Bob
17/03/2021 11:07:31 8 2
bbc
Proving you've had a vaccine is hardly sharing your health information, is it.

Your gangrene secret is safe, don't worry.
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stu
17/03/2021 11:21:28 3 1
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no one cares about the ghonnorea either
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17/03/2021 11:53:44 0 0
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The oldies can get a bit amorous on these cruises or so I am led to believe.
Wouldn't want to come back with a dose along with the straw Donkey and sombrero as a memento of your holiday
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17/03/2021 11:21:50 4 5
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How do prove you've had the vaccine? - a doctor's letter?- which can easily be forged. I have had my 1st vaccine and I wasn't given any proof? Also - if you've had the vaccine, why does it matter if the guy at the next table has covid? Isn't that the whole point of the vaccine?
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17/03/2021 11:39:40 2 0
bbc
You should have been given a little blue card with the vaccine make and batch number on it. Dont worry though it will be on your medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:48:23 1 1
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The point is that having the vaccine shows that you are a decent member of society & not a selfish, reactionary reprobate. Proving vaccination is easy enough through a text message after 2nd dose. I suppose someone could forge that as well but there are always a few chancers around
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17/03/2021 12:02:48 0 0
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I got a card when I had my first dose but it just states the brand, batch number and date. As my name is not on it anyone could use it as proof so not really proof at all.
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MVP
17/03/2021 10:41:57 19 3
bbc
It is inevitable that "vaccine passports" will be introduced sooner or later.

Is this the start of Identity Cards?
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stu
bbc
oh god here we go, tell us all about the Nazi's as though it's something we dont know

yawn
Removed
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17/03/2021 10:57:14 6 12
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I've been vaccinated but there is no way I'm sharing my health information with these companies.

They all say 'privacy of data and health of our customers' is our priority. Who do they think they are kidding? Making a profit is their priority and they'll cut every corner to mak a buck. BA let the details of 500k customers be hacked, including credit card numbers, names, addresses and CVV code.
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17/03/2021 11:23:17 1 1
bbc
Jurassic Park you are a dinosaur
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17/03/2021 11:33:20 0 3
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sticks and stones.... you're a fool if you don't think this is the thin end of the wedge in eroding freedom of movement and personal liberties.
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17/03/2021 11:05:40 5 4
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You clearly havent read the rules, everyone on the ship will have had the vaccine, so there's absolutely no point in wearing a mask, If everyone has had the vaccine what can anyone catch? We now need to live our lives as normal and no be so blinkered as to totally focusing on one virus. I can imagine "Sydney" your the type of person that justs wants to live your life in a glass bubble !
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17/03/2021 11:24:11 2 1
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If there's no point, why do you think the ships are telling you to wear them - they know that no one willingly wears them and if they felt it was totally safe for all their passengers not to wear them in public areas, don't you think they'd be over the moon to say so. And no, I don't live in a glass bubble - I'm already booked on one, with fingers crossed, (and mask on standby in pocket) in 2022
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17/03/2021 11:29:41 2 2
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Then thats your choice, dont be a keyboard warrior and have a go at me. All i've said is I won't cruise until they change their mask policy. I don't agree with it and find it intrusive
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17/03/2021 11:26:24 1 1
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Only read the headline but surely thats not unreasonable
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17/03/2021 10:34:16 73 4
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so no kids on P&O this year as under 16's don't get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 11:10:32 8 1
bbc
Thank God for that!
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17/03/2021 11:28:05 2 3
bbc
No amount of incentive would persuade me to go on a cruise ship, with the possible exception of a good look around the engine room, I hate every aspect of the Floading Hi De Hi experience.
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17/03/2021 12:01:48 1 0
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Not all cruise ships are the same. Don't criticise what you don't understand. As with any other holiday, choose the cruise line, ship and itinerary that suits you...or none at all, but don't reject cruising because of an ill-informed view that they are 'Floating Hi-De-Hi experiences. They cater for all ages, tastes and pockets.
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17/03/2021 11:24:11 2 1
bbc
If there's no point, why do you think the ships are telling you to wear them - they know that no one willingly wears them and if they felt it was totally safe for all their passengers not to wear them in public areas, don't you think they'd be over the moon to say so. And no, I don't live in a glass bubble - I'm already booked on one, with fingers crossed, (and mask on standby in pocket) in 2022
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17/03/2021 11:29:41 2 2
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Then thats your choice, dont be a keyboard warrior and have a go at me. All i've said is I won't cruise until they change their mask policy. I don't agree with it and find it intrusive
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17/03/2021 11:49:19 1 1
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Fine, but I was trying to answer the question you asked of HYS, which was "why should you wear a mask if everyone had had the vaccine?" You could also check with P&O themselves, and also those other cruise lines that have announced their tentative plans - all have a mask policy in public places - you may not agree with it, but that's their policy.
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Bob
17/03/2021 11:07:31 8 2
bbc
Proving you've had a vaccine is hardly sharing your health information, is it.

Your gangrene secret is safe, don't worry.
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17/03/2021 11:30:21 0 1
bbc
How is it not sharing my private health information?
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17/03/2021 11:55:19 0 0
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It is exactly the same as proving you have had certain jabs in order to enter certain countries. If you don't want the jab or to tell anyone you've had it you won't be able to travel to those countries. Nothing new here.
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17/03/2021 11:20:50 38 14
bbc
Reading some of the posts on here I think that people have got the wrong idea about proving if they have had the vaccine. It has nothing to do with medical records. All you have to do is prove you have had the jab, not show that you were treated for STDs or you had a tonsillectomy at 5 years old. Get the jab, get the passport get a holiday.
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17/03/2021 11:30:39 17 11
bbc
The fact that you have had the vaccine is a medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:36:55 10 1
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Yes I agree, but that is the only part of your medical record that would need to be proved. Too many worrying that every detail of their medical history will be seen. What is wrong proving you have had the vaccine?
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RPH
17/03/2021 14:15:13 1 1
bbc
So is proving you have good enough eyesight to drive. I assume you are sticking to your principals and refusing to get a driving licence?
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17/03/2021 14:22:49 0 0
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My travel vaccines used to be done privately by employer, NHS or at least my GP not notified.

So were not on my medical records.
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17/03/2021 11:31:05 44 6
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P&O Cruises says travellers will need vaccinations...If thats what it takes to get a holiday then so be it. I am a farmer and raise pedigree Aberdeen Angus Beef. The cruise companies have been huge customers of mine including P&O and I cant wait to get back to providing my world class beef to them.
You don’t say whether your going to take that cruising holiday, I expect not as you’ll be looking after the farm, but I get the sense that you don’t care what happens to those passengers maybe even the Black Death as long as they keep consuming your Aberdeen Angus Beef, so it’s profit before people’s welfare then ??? Removed
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17/03/2021 21:14:51 1 0
bbc
Well done. And they cook it very nicely on board too.
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17/03/2021 11:18:37 0 0
bbc
So do we now need a vaccine passport.?
How much will that cost us?
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17/03/2021 11:32:01 0 0
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millions
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17/03/2021 11:32:09 18 0
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Vaccines aren't 100% effective. We also don't know how long immunity lasts, there is also reduced immunity to certain strains...

...fancy been on a cruise ship when another passenger tests positive for Covid? Confined to cabin for 2 weeks, basic meals brought to you.

Nah, not for me...even if it was free.
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17/03/2021 14:02:07 0 3
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About 33% effective in preventing infection or transmission. The higher figures quoted are for the risk of getting seriously ill.
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17/03/2021 11:12:33 7 7
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I'd sooner gnaw my own leg off, than go on a cruise.

Stuck on a boat for days with a load of awful blokes in blazers, catching every lurgy available ? Whilst being "entertained" by Jane McDonald ?

No thanks.
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17/03/2021 11:15:21 1 0
bbc
As one crew member said to me "Jane McDonald has a lot to answer for" !
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17/03/2021 11:13:19 59 9
bbc
who would book to go on a cruise if you have to wear a face mask, socially distance, no shore excursions, and all even after you had a vaccination!!! you would be mad to give them your money to jump on a floating prison.
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17/03/2021 11:17:16 25 28
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More like a floating petri dish. I think the days of cruises are long gone.
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17/03/2021 11:23:17 1 1
bbc
Jurassic Park you are a dinosaur
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17/03/2021 11:33:20 0 3
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sticks and stones.... you're a fool if you don't think this is the thin end of the wedge in eroding freedom of movement and personal liberties.
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17/03/2021 11:34:11 1 0
bbc
Q: When rules on March 29 about no longer staying local are relaxed, can I go to Wales or Scotland to get a haircut?!
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17/03/2021 11:40:57 0 0
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No.
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17/03/2021 11:44:18 1 0
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Scotland is a big fat NO as Nicola does not like outsiders from England (you can be from the EU or an immigrant but not from England). Scottish restrictions change 5 April for some things but travel I think is May. You must have really suffered in lockdown if you want to go to Wales for anything
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17/03/2021 11:41:53 0 0
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Depends, if it's Scotland you can go into a hairdressers but you cannot get a haircut.
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17/03/2021 11:18:21 21 3
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Indeed . What about the crew? Difficult to see how they all get vaccinated
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17/03/2021 11:34:31 8 1
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All crew on all the major cruise lines that I have searched (Cunard, P&O, Princess, Celebrity, Holland America, Saga, Viking, NCL, Royal Caribbean) will be vaccinated and all will be subject to the same daily testing that passengers will have to undergo.
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17/03/2021 15:29:58 1 0
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Only if they are all over 50!! Those in their twenties will be lucky to have a first dose let alone a second by the summer.
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17/03/2021 18:07:49 0 1
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Crew members on cruise ships are often from places like the Philippines etc. How will they get their two doses of vaccine before 27th June?
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17/03/2021 11:34:55 0 5
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I wouldn't go on a cruise ship .
Apparently after you have paid a small fortune to go on one they try and bleed you dry at the end on almost compulsory tipping.

If you don't do the tipping you are made to feel quite uncomfortable I hear .

Bit like the USA I suppose
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17/03/2021 11:37:02 3 0
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P&O has a no-tipping policy.
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17/03/2021 11:40:47 1 0
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A typical comment from somebody with little or no knowledge. Tipping on a cruise ship is the same anywhere else, it IS the customers choice
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17/03/2021 12:16:03 0 0
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I believe some cruise lines include a tip in your charges but I'm not sure if you can opt out?
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17/03/2021 12:30:04 1 0
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"apparently"
"I hear"
"I suppose"
Do you know anything?
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17/03/2021 11:20:11 3 0
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Club 18-30 have got away with it for years!
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17/03/2021 11:35:27 0 0
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Club 18-30 shut down its operation in October 2018.
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17/03/2021 11:36:42 54 14
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You've always had to have a vaccination certificate for certain diseases (cholera,yellow fever etc) in order to travel to certain places. It really isn't a big deal. You get a jab, you get a certificate and you travel.
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17/03/2021 11:40:46 12 32
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That’s for yellow-fever when travelling to certain countries, not Covid ??
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17/03/2021 12:06:29 0 11
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Yes … except that you don't get a certificate when you have the jab. I know because I've had it. You are given no paperwork of any kind to prove you've been vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 13:30:29 1 10
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That's for travelling to places where the disease is, from somewhere it isn't.
What on earth is the point when this disease is global?
The only point behind the whole population getting vaxxed is to ensure pharma companies shareholders make a killing
99.9% of us with out underlying health conditions won't even require hospitalisation
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17/03/2021 13:56:35 1 0
bbc
Very different diseases to COVID19 - vaccination only reduces the rate of infection / transmission by about 30 % so no travel even with vaccination.
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17/03/2021 17:19:54 1 0
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They weren't mRNA vaccines and it wasn't in order to leave your own country - just certain destinations. Plus they stopped transmission. The mRNA vaccines merely reduce symptoms - and there are plenty of licensed drugs which are more effective without being irreversible.
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17/03/2021 11:30:39 17 11
bbc
The fact that you have had the vaccine is a medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:36:55 10 1
bbc
Yes I agree, but that is the only part of your medical record that would need to be proved. Too many worrying that every detail of their medical history will be seen. What is wrong proving you have had the vaccine?
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17/03/2021 17:21:17 0 0
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Er....dying
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17/03/2021 11:34:55 0 5
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I wouldn't go on a cruise ship .
Apparently after you have paid a small fortune to go on one they try and bleed you dry at the end on almost compulsory tipping.

If you don't do the tipping you are made to feel quite uncomfortable I hear .

Bit like the USA I suppose
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17/03/2021 11:37:02 3 0
bbc
P&O has a no-tipping policy.
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17/03/2021 10:48:13 144 46
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Vaccinated only and so it should be! All these anti-Vaxers moaning about ‘rights’ just like the ‘exemption’ crowds not wearing masks. If you choose to be selfish while everyone else makes sure we look after ourselves and each other then you can stay at home and everyone will be better for it.
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17/03/2021 11:38:14 8 14
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I think you’ve been led into a false sense of security as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 12:25:39 20 1
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I beg to disagree

As all the early surveys show that the vaccination is also reducing the transmission rate so. It clearly will never eliminate the chance of you catching it or spreading it but it definitely does reduce these chances considerably.
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17/03/2021 12:59:23 7 1
bbc
Not true - people with the vaccine are ~80% less likely to catch it, and if you haven't caught it then you cannot spread it.
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17/03/2021 11:02:56 46 97
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Why are you lumping anti-vaxers with people concerned about their privacy? I've been vaccinated but I will not share my private medical data with any organisation outside healthcare provision. Not that i'd ever consider a petri-dish cruise.

A 'vaccine passport' is a non-starter without requiring biometric authentication, which is just another name for a national ID system.
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17/03/2021 11:38:55 19 3
bbc
Presumably your 'petri-dish cruise' comment means you have never cruised and know nothing about cruising other than the rubbish you have read. Their cleaning and sanitisation regime is already way above most hotels and airlines and they have invested heavily in hospital-grade ventilation and sanitation. They'll be safe places to be. You can be sure of that.
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17/03/2021 12:32:43 3 23
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No evidence that the vaccines reduce hospitalisations, deaths of transmission. As for cases dropping it should be noted that the WHO recommended using less amplification cycles in the PCR test about the time when the vaccine was introduced. Smoke and mirrors.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4037
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18/03/2021 13:24:31 0 0
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Correct, i have never heard of a virus spreading like wildfire on a cruise ship ....... oh hang on .....
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17/03/2021 11:21:50 4 5
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How do prove you've had the vaccine? - a doctor's letter?- which can easily be forged. I have had my 1st vaccine and I wasn't given any proof? Also - if you've had the vaccine, why does it matter if the guy at the next table has covid? Isn't that the whole point of the vaccine?
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17/03/2021 11:39:40 2 0
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You should have been given a little blue card with the vaccine make and batch number on it. Dont worry though it will be on your medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:46:41 1 0
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No card to prove vaccination given to anyone I know. Perhaps it depends on your Health Board
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17/03/2021 12:34:59 0 1
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A how would P&O be able to access your medical record?
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17/03/2021 11:20:50 38 14
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Reading some of the posts on here I think that people have got the wrong idea about proving if they have had the vaccine. It has nothing to do with medical records. All you have to do is prove you have had the jab, not show that you were treated for STDs or you had a tonsillectomy at 5 years old. Get the jab, get the passport get a holiday.
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17/03/2021 11:39:48 0 8
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How is whether I've been vaccinated not health information? Next it will be insurance companies refusing health or medical or employee or employer insurance if you / your staff haven't been vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 11:44:22 9 0
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I am not saying its not health information, I am saying that's all you will have to show, nothing else.
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17/03/2021 13:40:30 1 0
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In some instances they do.
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17/03/2021 14:17:11 1 0
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Hoping to stick to your principals and refuse to give the medical information to prove you have good enough eyesight to get a driving licence? Or you your principals only apply when it doesnot inconvenience you?
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18/03/2021 00:43:22 0 0
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Yes any company dealing with travel insurance should be asking if you been vaccine or not. Insurance rates are bound to go up if you haven't have got proof of having the vaccine because you will be in greater rick of catching it & the company will be in greater risk of making a pay out
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17/03/2021 11:40:10 5 0
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No problem, won’t be using them then
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17/03/2021 11:36:42 54 14
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You've always had to have a vaccination certificate for certain diseases (cholera,yellow fever etc) in order to travel to certain places. It really isn't a big deal. You get a jab, you get a certificate and you travel.
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17/03/2021 11:40:46 12 32
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That’s for yellow-fever when travelling to certain countries, not Covid ??
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17/03/2021 13:34:52 3 0
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This is for Covid when travelling to certain counties. SNAP..?????
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17/03/2021 14:16:23 2 0
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You will see plenty of countries apply the same rules as currently in place for Yellow fever etc.
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17/03/2021 11:34:55 0 5
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I wouldn't go on a cruise ship .
Apparently after you have paid a small fortune to go on one they try and bleed you dry at the end on almost compulsory tipping.

If you don't do the tipping you are made to feel quite uncomfortable I hear .

Bit like the USA I suppose
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17/03/2021 11:40:47 1 0
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A typical comment from somebody with little or no knowledge. Tipping on a cruise ship is the same anywhere else, it IS the customers choice
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17/03/2021 11:34:11 1 0
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Q: When rules on March 29 about no longer staying local are relaxed, can I go to Wales or Scotland to get a haircut?!
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17/03/2021 11:40:57 0 0
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No.
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17/03/2021 10:32:35 4 4
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I think this is a sensible move, at least for the foreseeable future. At least people will feel a little safer on a trip. Hopefully all crew etc will be asked to do the same. My only worry would be when people go for their little jaunts at all the ports, which will be requested by voyagers. The vaccine is not 100% and is yet to be seen it it can still be carried by those already fully vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 11:41:24 0 0
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The article states there will be no port visits for the clients.
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17/03/2021 11:02:56 46 97
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Why are you lumping anti-vaxers with people concerned about their privacy? I've been vaccinated but I will not share my private medical data with any organisation outside healthcare provision. Not that i'd ever consider a petri-dish cruise.

A 'vaccine passport' is a non-starter without requiring biometric authentication, which is just another name for a national ID system.
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17/03/2021 11:41:42 7 9
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Yep, it’ll quickly evolve into a social credit scoring system like they have in CCP ????
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17/03/2021 11:41:51 2 5
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I think many people have been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 11:47:55 3 0
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This is complete rubbish - the vaccine materially reduces transmission of the virus - the jury is still out on precisely by how much.
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17/03/2021 10:51:28 3 4
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They are just floating Butlins camp sites, no thanks. Much prefer a diving liveaboard to experience the pleasure of the ocean.
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17/03/2021 11:42:04 1 0
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So speaks someone who has either never sailed on a cruise ship or who has sailed on a family-friendly, sparkly juggernaut of a ship. The good thing about cruising is that there is a wide choice of huge ships to small ships and from family friendly to adult only. Do the research and choose the cruise that suits you best. Not all cruise ships are the same.
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17/03/2021 11:52:54 0 0
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You sound like a brochure, no thank you.

Have you ever been scuba diving on a liveaboard ?
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17/03/2021 10:52:25 17 7
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I agree about their vaccine policy, but the wearing of masks does not make any sense? Why should you wear a mask if everyone has had the vaccine? Who wants to go on holiday and wear a mask. I'll wait until they change the rules, and won't cruise again until they do.
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17/03/2021 11:42:41 1 0
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Because they need to maintain the atmosphere of panic and emergency, d’uh
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17/03/2021 10:39:01 9 8
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A vaccine passport makes complete sense and the UK should add it as a feature to the NHS app. In the future it'd be great to have it carrying a record of all your innoculations as I've no idea what I've had. Time to empower us with our own medical records.
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17/03/2021 11:42:49 0 0
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I have a card which I got from my GP which is updated each time I have a vaccination or booster.
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17/03/2021 11:34:11 1 0
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Q: When rules on March 29 about no longer staying local are relaxed, can I go to Wales or Scotland to get a haircut?!
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17/03/2021 11:44:18 1 0
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Scotland is a big fat NO as Nicola does not like outsiders from England (you can be from the EU or an immigrant but not from England). Scottish restrictions change 5 April for some things but travel I think is May. You must have really suffered in lockdown if you want to go to Wales for anything
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17/03/2021 11:39:48 0 8
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How is whether I've been vaccinated not health information? Next it will be insurance companies refusing health or medical or employee or employer insurance if you / your staff haven't been vaccinated.
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17/03/2021 11:44:22 9 0
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I am not saying its not health information, I am saying that's all you will have to show, nothing else.
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17/03/2021 11:05:40 5 4
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You clearly havent read the rules, everyone on the ship will have had the vaccine, so there's absolutely no point in wearing a mask, If everyone has had the vaccine what can anyone catch? We now need to live our lives as normal and no be so blinkered as to totally focusing on one virus. I can imagine "Sydney" your the type of person that justs wants to live your life in a glass bubble !
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17/03/2021 11:46:08 1 2
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and how does that deal with you travelling to the ship, getting on and off the ship, visiting the ports and the like. Andy, I guess you're the type of person who never considers anybody but yourself!
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17/03/2021 11:46:29 5 2
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Covid very clearly demonstrated that large cruise ships are simply floating petri dishes.

This policy will at least ensure Covid is not a risk, but food poisoning and other infections remain.

Enjoy the life on the ocean wave!
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17/03/2021 11:39:40 2 0
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You should have been given a little blue card with the vaccine make and batch number on it. Dont worry though it will be on your medical record.
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17/03/2021 11:46:41 1 0
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No card to prove vaccination given to anyone I know. Perhaps it depends on your Health Board
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17/03/2021 11:46:52 3 6
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This seems to contravene various human rights agreements and should be challenged. Unlike the Yellow Fever vaccines, the COVID vaccines are still officially clinical trials. According to various human rights agreements such as the Nuremberg Code and UNESCO Declaration on Bioethics & Human Health, people cannot be forced to take part in a medical trial or be discriminated against if they do not.
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17/03/2021 11:54:35 3 1
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Total nonsense - cruise operators are entirely within their right to demand vaccination certificates.

It is an economic imperative for cruise ships.

They cannot afford the bad PR, may not be able to allow passengers off in many ports, and risk the ship being quarantined if there is an outbreak.
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17/03/2021 11:57:39 3 0
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you're not being forced to have the vaccine and you are not being forced onto the ships are you
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17/03/2021 12:27:59 2 0
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Utter rubbish.
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17/03/2021 12:42:34 1 0
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I think you will find that P&O are not bound by the human rights agreements. It only applies to Government bodies.
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17/03/2021 11:46:57 30 3
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Compulsory facemasks and social distancing, additional medical insurance for repatriation cover, no stop-offs ('cruises to nowhere'), forced isolation if Covid positive...

...sounds like bliss lmao. They are going to go out of business...
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17/03/2021 12:03:50 19 21
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I hope they do if they are demanding mandatory vaccination.
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17/03/2021 13:57:40 2 0
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You probably will not be able to get medical cover at any sensible price based on the current evidence.
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17/03/2021 11:41:51 2 5
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I think many people have been led into a false sense of security, as if you’ve had your vaccinations your just as likely to catch C19 as not, the vaccine doesn’t prevent you getting C19 or spreading it, but hopefully it should prevent you requiring hospitalisation. From the cruise ships point of view they’re just hoping they don’t overwhelm there medical centre with critical C19 cases ??
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17/03/2021 11:47:55 3 0
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This is complete rubbish - the vaccine materially reduces transmission of the virus - the jury is still out on precisely by how much.
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17/03/2021 11:54:09 0 0
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It does so hopefully there won't be a situation where 600 people on board are Covid positive at the same time with numerous fatalities as there was back in Feb/March last year...

...but could there be 10, 20. 50 Covid positive patients? We don't know how much transmission is reduced yet allow Cruise ships to operate anyway? Stupidity...cruise ships just want the £.
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17/03/2021 13:05:36 0 2
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“the vaccine materially reduces transmission of the virus” Really! I’ve seen nothing conclusive to confirm that so what you’ve said is hearsay but I stand corrected if you can provide a valid citation, but I tell you what when the doors start opening and the mingling starts in earnest we’ll know the truth then. Personally I don’t think it’s about dying it’s about NOT CRASHING THE NHS??
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17/03/2021 11:21:50 4 5
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How do prove you've had the vaccine? - a doctor's letter?- which can easily be forged. I have had my 1st vaccine and I wasn't given any proof? Also - if you've had the vaccine, why does it matter if the guy at the next table has covid? Isn't that the whole point of the vaccine?
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17/03/2021 11:48:23 1 1
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The point is that having the vaccine shows that you are a decent member of society & not a selfish, reactionary reprobate. Proving vaccination is easy enough through a text message after 2nd dose. I suppose someone could forge that as well but there are always a few chancers around
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17/03/2021 12:36:40 0 0
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Track & trace was is disaster so how do you suppose they are going to organize texts?
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17/03/2021 11:29:41 2 2
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Then thats your choice, dont be a keyboard warrior and have a go at me. All i've said is I won't cruise until they change their mask policy. I don't agree with it and find it intrusive
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17/03/2021 11:49:19 1 1
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Fine, but I was trying to answer the question you asked of HYS, which was "why should you wear a mask if everyone had had the vaccine?" You could also check with P&O themselves, and also those other cruise lines that have announced their tentative plans - all have a mask policy in public places - you may not agree with it, but that's their policy.