Nokia to cut up to 10,000 jobs worldwide
16/03/2021 | news | business | 118
The Finnish telecoms giant is shifting investment into 5G and cloud computing research.
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16/03/2021 12:27:24 12 2
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I was going to point that out. Not sure that this article deserves a HYS, it is just random financial news. But Dagenham is much more interesting. This Nokia article tells us almost nothing, not even where the job cuts are going to fall!
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16/03/2021 12:41:13 2 5
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Why should it be on the main page ? This and the Transit story are business articles in the business section.
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16/03/2021 13:02:10 2 2
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Indeed, I was awaiting the mandatory "despite Brexit" in the article itself.

Of course it should also be in the Brexit section and have a HYS.
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SNAKE!
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stu
16/03/2021 12:37:28 17 4
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1 person doesn't like Snake

snake doesn't let you take pouty pictures of yourself and share it to everyone who doesn't care
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16/03/2021 12:25:31 7 5
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It's in Transit
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16/03/2021 12:25:42 3 13
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I'm shocked Nokia were still around! I honestly though Nokia collapsed when Apple and Samsung released there first generation of Smart Phones.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:26:35 1 4
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jinx
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16/03/2021 12:46:13 1 3
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The Nokia 7 series was and is an outstanding smart phone at a fraction of the cost of those you mention for the same spec. You stick with the marketing guff from them though, that's how they dominate all the sheeple.
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16/03/2021 13:03:40 0 2
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Omg how ill-informed some people really are. Don't you know anything?? ??
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stu
16/03/2021 12:25:46 5 17
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blimey does nokia still exist. I thought everyone bought Samsung and Apple
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16/03/2021 12:28:50 13 3
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Some people actually know about things. Such as that Nokia is a much bigger organisation than what happens to be in your pocket.
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16/03/2021 13:01:39 3 2
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You obviously thought wrong then didn't you.
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16/03/2021 12:26:17 8 10
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Less people required due to homeworking ?

Be careful what you wish for.
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16/03/2021 12:25:42 3 13
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I'm shocked Nokia were still around! I honestly though Nokia collapsed when Apple and Samsung released there first generation of Smart Phones.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:26:35 1 4
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jinx
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16/03/2021 12:32:31 4 20
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BT, Bangalore telecom, is reducing its own workforce because of automated software, this so utter rubbish.
its ending long service staff for more management bonus.

The UK is so behind the 5G rollout its ridiculous, the UK government is responsible for the network, instead of upgrading the networks at £6 billion the UK govt chose Brexit instead and spent the money on stale fish on the dockside.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
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16/03/2021 13:14:27 9 0
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And today's award for "Most egregious attempt to link a totally unrelated news item to Brexit" goes to...
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16/03/2021 12:25:09 9 7
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SNAKE!
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stu
16/03/2021 12:37:28 17 4
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1 person doesn't like Snake

snake doesn't let you take pouty pictures of yourself and share it to everyone who doesn't care
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16/03/2021 12:27:24 12 2
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I was going to point that out. Not sure that this article deserves a HYS, it is just random financial news. But Dagenham is much more interesting. This Nokia article tells us almost nothing, not even where the job cuts are going to fall!
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stu
16/03/2021 12:25:46 5 17
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blimey does nokia still exist. I thought everyone bought Samsung and Apple
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16/03/2021 12:28:50 13 3
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Some people actually know about things. Such as that Nokia is a much bigger organisation than what happens to be in your pocket.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:58:28 1 5
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oh.. "things" yeah I don't know anything about those
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16/03/2021 12:32:31 4 20
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BT, Bangalore telecom, is reducing its own workforce because of automated software, this so utter rubbish.
its ending long service staff for more management bonus.

The UK is so behind the 5G rollout its ridiculous, the UK government is responsible for the network, instead of upgrading the networks at £6 billion the UK govt chose Brexit instead and spent the money on stale fish on the dockside.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
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16/03/2021 12:56:44 2 6
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and today's best summary of brexsh*t is ;
'whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p'. yep got to agree with that.
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16/03/2021 12:58:09 3 6
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if you are interested in feeding children why would you not support the option that is finanically better for the UK? clue its not brexsh*t.
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16/03/2021 13:09:34 1 2
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Let them eat fish!
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16/03/2021 14:19:29 1 1
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our whole security relies on BT and the internet you are living in the 19th century.
BT and NOKIA have been euro partners for years go back to your mud hut and feed the chickens which come from Europe
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16/03/2021 12:41:01 6 13
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"The company currently has 90,000 employees around the world,"

What on earth do these people do? It's not as if Nokia is a manufacturing plant or anything. The mind boggles.
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16/03/2021 12:56:15 12 4
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Just proves how little you know about the company! Do your research before making such ill-founded comments!
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16/03/2021 12:41:13 2 5
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Why should it be on the main page ? This and the Transit story are business articles in the business section.
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16/03/2021 12:42:00 2 7
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Ouch!

It's bad news when you have 2 main competitors in 5G (which should be growing exponentially while we all work from home) and one of them is effectively locked out of the Western market, that you're still getting hammered.

This company seems to have systemic problems, it's loss of the handset business was a disaster but they don't appear to have learned....
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16/03/2021 12:56:57 6 7
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You're an expert then I take it? ??
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16/03/2021 12:25:42 3 13
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I'm shocked Nokia were still around! I honestly though Nokia collapsed when Apple and Samsung released there first generation of Smart Phones.
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16/03/2021 12:46:13 1 3
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The Nokia 7 series was and is an outstanding smart phone at a fraction of the cost of those you mention for the same spec. You stick with the marketing guff from them though, that's how they dominate all the sheeple.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:57:26 2 2
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Nokia 7... what, £170-180?

Samsung A21s £175 when I bought it

some people just do whatever they can to say 'im different'
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16/03/2021 12:54:14 2 5
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" plans to invest in cloud computing"

A day late & a dollar short. If they get anywhere near close to the big players, they'll just get bought out.... err again, not that that went to well for the buyer last time...
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16/03/2021 12:55:50 10 7
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This is just the tip of the iceberg just wait by the time Covid-19 is done (if ever) lot more companies will have to cut their losses. Or maybe they need a bailout from their respective governments it did happen some 30 years ago and this is the second wave of what’s to come
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16/03/2021 13:00:02 10 10
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There's nothing quite like looking on the bright side is there! What a doom-monger you really are. ??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:16:52 1 3
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they provide non-vital services, we wont lose any sleep over it
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16/03/2021 14:32:21 1 4
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And we all know who pays for government ‘bailout’ spending, all of us mugs in the private sector
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16/03/2021 12:41:01 6 13
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"The company currently has 90,000 employees around the world,"

What on earth do these people do? It's not as if Nokia is a manufacturing plant or anything. The mind boggles.
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16/03/2021 12:56:15 12 4
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Just proves how little you know about the company! Do your research before making such ill-founded comments!
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
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16/03/2021 12:56:44 2 6
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and today's best summary of brexsh*t is ;
'whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p'. yep got to agree with that.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:47 4 2
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typical of a remoaner to misquote and call it a fact
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16/03/2021 12:42:00 2 7
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Ouch!

It's bad news when you have 2 main competitors in 5G (which should be growing exponentially while we all work from home) and one of them is effectively locked out of the Western market, that you're still getting hammered.

This company seems to have systemic problems, it's loss of the handset business was a disaster but they don't appear to have learned....
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16/03/2021 12:56:57 6 7
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You're an expert then I take it? ??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:15:37 1 5
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sounds like it, yes, what are your qualifications
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16/03/2021 12:46:13 1 3
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The Nokia 7 series was and is an outstanding smart phone at a fraction of the cost of those you mention for the same spec. You stick with the marketing guff from them though, that's how they dominate all the sheeple.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:57:26 2 2
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Nokia 7... what, £170-180?

Samsung A21s £175 when I bought it

some people just do whatever they can to say 'im different'
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stu
16/03/2021 13:02:47 1 2
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Nokia 7 compared to A21s:
less CPU
smaller screen
less resolution
nearly half the battery
more onboard storage but both have sdcard slots
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
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16/03/2021 12:58:09 3 6
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if you are interested in feeding children why would you not support the option that is finanically better for the UK? clue its not brexsh*t.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:20 3 2
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... in your highly qualified opinion, of course
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16/03/2021 12:28:50 13 3
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Some people actually know about things. Such as that Nokia is a much bigger organisation than what happens to be in your pocket.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:58:28 1 5
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oh.. "things" yeah I don't know anything about those
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16/03/2021 16:23:04 2 0
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We can tell...
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16/03/2021 12:58:31 31 4
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I do really like their current handsets (I have a Nokia 5.3 myself). But this is not the same Nokia (HMD with Nokia branding). The real Nokia passed away the day Microsoft came along really (had been on life support since the N95).
I do hope they bounce back - I'd trust them to provide our 5G infrastructure (and beyond) over the US or China operators any day
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16/03/2021 13:28:16 7 3
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7.2 here and its been excellent. I'd stick with them when I upgrade if possible.
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16/03/2021 13:27:55 3 2
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That handset will be made in China! The handset company has nothing to do with the telecoms company. But yes, the whole 5G thing has been a wake up call. We need less people doing art subjects and more people doing STEM subjects at universities in the West.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:54:27 1 1
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Much of their infrastructure innovation *is* based in the US and came through the acquisition of Lucent.
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16/03/2021 12:55:50 10 7
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This is just the tip of the iceberg just wait by the time Covid-19 is done (if ever) lot more companies will have to cut their losses. Or maybe they need a bailout from their respective governments it did happen some 30 years ago and this is the second wave of what’s to come
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16/03/2021 13:00:02 10 10
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There's nothing quite like looking on the bright side is there! What a doom-monger you really are. ??
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stu
16/03/2021 12:25:46 5 17
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blimey does nokia still exist. I thought everyone bought Samsung and Apple
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16/03/2021 13:01:39 3 2
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You obviously thought wrong then didn't you.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:11:40 1 4
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what's that, they're going out of business you say

ohhh yeah Im totally wrong!
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16/03/2021 13:02:10 2 2
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Indeed, I was awaiting the mandatory "despite Brexit" in the article itself.

Of course it should also be in the Brexit section and have a HYS.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:57:26 2 2
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Nokia 7... what, £170-180?

Samsung A21s £175 when I bought it

some people just do whatever they can to say 'im different'
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stu
16/03/2021 13:02:47 1 2
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Nokia 7 compared to A21s:
less CPU
smaller screen
less resolution
nearly half the battery
more onboard storage but both have sdcard slots
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16/03/2021 12:56:50 2 5
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Great.

Now I'm going to have "Do-do-do-dooo, do-do-do-dooo, do-do, do-doooooooo…" stuck in my head all afternoon!
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PH
16/03/2021 14:17:03 0 3
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You just made me think of Little Britain, ‘write the theme tune, sing the theme tune do do do’
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16/03/2021 14:49:09 0 2
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And now you've put it in my head you ********

(please insert appropriate insult to feel mildly put down but not offended)
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16/03/2021 12:25:42 3 13
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I'm shocked Nokia were still around! I honestly though Nokia collapsed when Apple and Samsung released there first generation of Smart Phones.
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16/03/2021 13:03:40 0 2
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Omg how ill-informed some people really are. Don't you know anything?? ??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:12:37 2 1
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you know only one thing and it's how to copy and paste that same comment in every reply box. without adding information of value I might add
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16/03/2021 13:10:05 29 5
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I keep an old Nokia on pay-as-you-go for emergency. Sensible and compact with a battery that lasts a week on one charge. It’s well over 10 years old and still works fine.
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PH
16/03/2021 14:15:46 7 3
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I have one with a world sim so when I am away I can call my elderly mum without worrying how much it’s cost. And no worry’s of forgetting to switch off mobile data to run up a huge bill either!
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16/03/2021 12:58:09 3 6
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if you are interested in feeding children why would you not support the option that is finanically better for the UK? clue its not brexsh*t.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:20 3 2
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... in your highly qualified opinion, of course
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16/03/2021 13:14:13 2 4
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it's called using common sense/logic; what drives your view? faith/tea leaves etc I assume.
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16/03/2021 12:56:44 2 6
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and today's best summary of brexsh*t is ;
'whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p'. yep got to agree with that.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:47 4 2
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typical of a remoaner to misquote and call it a fact
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16/03/2021 13:20:53 1 3
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and the benefit of brexs*it is? please remind me as I have misplaced the microdot it was hand written on. tks.
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16/03/2021 13:01:39 3 2
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You obviously thought wrong then didn't you.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:11:40 1 4
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what's that, they're going out of business you say

ohhh yeah Im totally wrong!
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16/03/2021 13:03:40 0 2
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Omg how ill-informed some people really are. Don't you know anything?? ??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:12:37 2 1
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you know only one thing and it's how to copy and paste that same comment in every reply box. without adding information of value I might add
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16/03/2021 13:13:18 7 14
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Negative Nokia business news - BBC opens a HYS.

Positive business news (no Project Fear) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56415197

No HYS opened!
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16/03/2021 13:28:16 2 2
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Not job creation though is it......it just not getting laid off....
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16/03/2021 13:28:22 6 0
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The positive news is: Ford continuous with diesel engines at UK plant, so 1900 jobs are safe. Good news yes for the people who work there, but it's not exactly an increase in jobs/people/investment, is it.
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Amy
16/03/2021 19:02:04 1 0
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Strange comment. You seem to fail to understand the implications of only a few western vendors producing national critical infrastructure.

The Dagenham story. It is great for the people in Dagenham - but do read it it carefully: you might see the there are several flies in the ointment.

And and and. Diesel.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:20 3 2
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... in your highly qualified opinion, of course
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16/03/2021 13:14:13 2 4
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it's called using common sense/logic; what drives your view? faith/tea leaves etc I assume.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:18:24 1 3
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just give it up man you're making a fool of yourself
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16/03/2021 12:32:31 4 20
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BT, Bangalore telecom, is reducing its own workforce because of automated software, this so utter rubbish.
its ending long service staff for more management bonus.

The UK is so behind the 5G rollout its ridiculous, the UK government is responsible for the network, instead of upgrading the networks at £6 billion the UK govt chose Brexit instead and spent the money on stale fish on the dockside.
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16/03/2021 13:14:27 9 0
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And today's award for "Most egregious attempt to link a totally unrelated news item to Brexit" goes to...
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16/03/2021 12:56:57 6 7
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You're an expert then I take it? ??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:15:37 1 5
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sounds like it, yes, what are your qualifications
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16/03/2021 17:56:38 1 0
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Well the OP has a negative take, but not entirely without merit, so they certainly have some idea. I'd just add that one bad decision can reverberate for a long while, especially during an era of instability, we've certainly had that over the last decade or so.
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16/03/2021 12:55:50 10 7
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This is just the tip of the iceberg just wait by the time Covid-19 is done (if ever) lot more companies will have to cut their losses. Or maybe they need a bailout from their respective governments it did happen some 30 years ago and this is the second wave of what’s to come
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stu
16/03/2021 13:16:52 1 3
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they provide non-vital services, we wont lose any sleep over it
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16/03/2021 14:35:34 1 2
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So the 4G & 5G infrastructure that they provide used by the emergency services is non-vital ?!?!

Remember that when you can't get a signal and you need help !!
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16/03/2021 13:17:22 5 9
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You are fired ! Let the mass layoffs and firing by email / zoom begin. Easier to fire people when you don't have to meet them face to face. Today, you are talking to your coworker on zoom, tomorrow that person is gone, the next day will be you. Crying at home alone is the only option. Expect more to come from all corporations looking to spend money on stock buy-backs and not real work.
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16/03/2021 14:32:02 2 1
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Their reducing the 5 to 10 thousand over the next 2 years. I'm sure they'll have heart enough to do the redundancies face to face in due course.
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16/03/2021 13:14:13 2 4
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it's called using common sense/logic; what drives your view? faith/tea leaves etc I assume.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:18:24 1 3
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just give it up man you're making a fool of yourself
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16/03/2021 13:24:54 2 3
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Brexit supporters are the ones making fools of themselves; hard to change it now but to claim its benefical for the UK shows a lack of intellectual ability.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:10:47 4 2
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typical of a remoaner to misquote and call it a fact
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16/03/2021 13:20:53 1 3
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and the benefit of brexs*it is? please remind me as I have misplaced the microdot it was hand written on. tks.
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16/03/2021 13:21:35 11 5
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New CEO, same old strategy of mass sackings.
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16/03/2021 20:34:13 1 1
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Yes it’s the classics “take three letters” scenario.

Year 1 blame it on the previous management.
Year 2 say we are in the second year of a 3 year turnaround plan
Year 3 leave 3 letters for the new CEO suggesting they do the same.

??
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stu
16/03/2021 13:18:24 1 3
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just give it up man you're making a fool of yourself
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16/03/2021 13:24:54 2 3
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Brexit supporters are the ones making fools of themselves; hard to change it now but to claim its benefical for the UK shows a lack of intellectual ability.
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16/03/2021 18:07:00 1 0
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This Nokia story has nothing to do with Brexit. It's really only a BBC depressing page filler, unless you happen to be one of the poor unfortunates (about 90 in the UK) Nokia make redundant. It's done quite a good job on exposing how little the average HYS post knows, but that's not a revelation either.
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16/03/2021 13:25:17 11 6
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Nokia is playing catch up to 5G but wants to cut 10,000 jobs?

I think the job cutting should start from the top.
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16/03/2021 13:26:10 23 10
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Hey BBC, any chance of a HYS on the Dagenham engine plant? Come on you know you want to. There has been an HYS on every other motor industry story in recent times.

Oh and to keep this on topic. Well done Nokia for producing a great 7 series phone, mine has served me well.
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16/03/2021 13:38:41 20 11
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Any mobile phone company deciding t manufacture in the UK will have no shortage of customers for its products. People the world over are starting to look for local alternatives in many consumer goods.
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16/03/2021 13:27:06 3 8
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Maybe Nokia could open a production plant in Dagenham.
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Jim
16/03/2021 14:13:43 3 4
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Tiny dashboards that play catchy tunes to you?
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16/03/2021 13:27:52 4 6
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Nokia tried to make Symbian happen when most app developers were concentrating on the fledgling iOS and android. Blackberry had the same fate.

Nokia / Ericsson were the names of phones to have in the early 00s, but didn't see the new players as a threat in the smartphone world. How it cost them dear.
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16/03/2021 13:36:35 7 3
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Handsets are only a small part of their business!
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16/03/2021 17:49:22 0 0
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You've got it wrong. Symbian (which was licenced by Psion to Nokia) replaced the earlier Nokia in-house phone software & predated iOS & Android. Psion's competitor was the MS handheld OS (which evolved into Win Phone, before demise) & Palm OS neither of which were a phone OS & Blackberry which by then became know as as the leading phone OS.

Hanging on with Symbian was Nokia's "Betamax" moment.
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16/03/2021 13:13:18 7 14
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Negative Nokia business news - BBC opens a HYS.

Positive business news (no Project Fear) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56415197

No HYS opened!
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16/03/2021 13:28:16 2 2
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Not job creation though is it......it just not getting laid off....
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16/03/2021 12:58:31 31 4
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I do really like their current handsets (I have a Nokia 5.3 myself). But this is not the same Nokia (HMD with Nokia branding). The real Nokia passed away the day Microsoft came along really (had been on life support since the N95).
I do hope they bounce back - I'd trust them to provide our 5G infrastructure (and beyond) over the US or China operators any day
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16/03/2021 13:28:16 7 3
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7.2 here and its been excellent. I'd stick with them when I upgrade if possible.
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16/03/2021 13:13:18 7 14
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Negative Nokia business news - BBC opens a HYS.

Positive business news (no Project Fear) - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56415197

No HYS opened!
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16/03/2021 13:28:22 6 0
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The positive news is: Ford continuous with diesel engines at UK plant, so 1900 jobs are safe. Good news yes for the people who work there, but it's not exactly an increase in jobs/people/investment, is it.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
54
16/03/2021 13:09:34 1 2
bbc
Let them eat fish!
50
16/03/2021 13:27:52 4 6
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Nokia tried to make Symbian happen when most app developers were concentrating on the fledgling iOS and android. Blackberry had the same fate.

Nokia / Ericsson were the names of phones to have in the early 00s, but didn't see the new players as a threat in the smartphone world. How it cost them dear.
55
16/03/2021 13:36:35 7 3
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Handsets are only a small part of their business!
25
16/03/2021 12:58:31 31 4
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I do really like their current handsets (I have a Nokia 5.3 myself). But this is not the same Nokia (HMD with Nokia branding). The real Nokia passed away the day Microsoft came along really (had been on life support since the N95).
I do hope they bounce back - I'd trust them to provide our 5G infrastructure (and beyond) over the US or China operators any day
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16/03/2021 13:27:55 3 2
bbc
That handset will be made in China! The handset company has nothing to do with the telecoms company. But yes, the whole 5G thing has been a wake up call. We need less people doing art subjects and more people doing STEM subjects at universities in the West.
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16/03/2021 13:58:47 1 3
bbc
They make handsets in a number of places and not exclusively China. Depends on the model, target market and existing tooling. The seventh and eighth digit of your IMIE code indicate where it was assembled.
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16/03/2021 13:26:10 23 10
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Hey BBC, any chance of a HYS on the Dagenham engine plant? Come on you know you want to. There has been an HYS on every other motor industry story in recent times.

Oh and to keep this on topic. Well done Nokia for producing a great 7 series phone, mine has served me well.
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16/03/2021 13:38:41 20 11
bbc
Any mobile phone company deciding t manufacture in the UK will have no shortage of customers for its products. People the world over are starting to look for local alternatives in many consumer goods.
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16/03/2021 14:08:36 5 2
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I manufacture in this country using imported parts from China, the USA and India. Not mobile phones obviously, guitar pickups. Demand has been rising steadily for a few years. Biggest market currently is the USA then domestic.
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Amy
16/03/2021 18:55:33 1 0
bbc
"Local" alternatives?

Everything in that phone would be imported before it is assembled.
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16/03/2021 13:27:55 3 2
bbc
That handset will be made in China! The handset company has nothing to do with the telecoms company. But yes, the whole 5G thing has been a wake up call. We need less people doing art subjects and more people doing STEM subjects at universities in the West.
58
16/03/2021 13:58:47 1 3
bbc
They make handsets in a number of places and not exclusively China. Depends on the model, target market and existing tooling. The seventh and eighth digit of your IMIE code indicate where it was assembled.
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16/03/2021 14:04:38 3 6
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Love that people know the make and model of their phone
57
16/03/2021 13:38:41 20 11
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Any mobile phone company deciding t manufacture in the UK will have no shortage of customers for its products. People the world over are starting to look for local alternatives in many consumer goods.
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16/03/2021 14:08:36 5 2
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I manufacture in this country using imported parts from China, the USA and India. Not mobile phones obviously, guitar pickups. Demand has been rising steadily for a few years. Biggest market currently is the USA then domestic.
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16/03/2021 13:27:06 3 8
bbc
Maybe Nokia could open a production plant in Dagenham.
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Jim
16/03/2021 14:13:43 3 4
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Tiny dashboards that play catchy tunes to you?
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16/03/2021 14:15:11 1 19
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Another big blow to the EU.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:31:07 4 2
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Think a bit about which companies source the UK telephone networks.

But perhaps you are a Chinese troll happy to see a weak UK.
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16/03/2021 13:10:05 29 5
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I keep an old Nokia on pay-as-you-go for emergency. Sensible and compact with a battery that lasts a week on one charge. It’s well over 10 years old and still works fine.
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PH
16/03/2021 14:15:46 7 3
bbc
I have one with a world sim so when I am away I can call my elderly mum without worrying how much it’s cost. And no worry’s of forgetting to switch off mobile data to run up a huge bill either!
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16/03/2021 12:56:50 2 5
bbc
Great.

Now I'm going to have "Do-do-do-dooo, do-do-do-dooo, do-do, do-doooooooo…" stuck in my head all afternoon!
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PH
16/03/2021 14:17:03 0 3
bbc
You just made me think of Little Britain, ‘write the theme tune, sing the theme tune do do do’
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stu
16/03/2021 12:40:14 8 4
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because slightly faster internet is far less important than whole coastal communities being able to feed their children.

not to you though, you like to share with everyone what you had for dinner, and RIGHT NOW because they cant possibly wait a second longer to find out. or is it youtube videos that you love.

whatever it is, it's meaningless cr@p
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16/03/2021 14:19:29 1 1
bbc
our whole security relies on BT and the internet you are living in the 19th century.
BT and NOKIA have been euro partners for years go back to your mud hut and feed the chickens which come from Europe
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16/03/2021 14:31:28 1 5
bbc
God damn
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16/03/2021 13:17:22 5 9
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You are fired ! Let the mass layoffs and firing by email / zoom begin. Easier to fire people when you don't have to meet them face to face. Today, you are talking to your coworker on zoom, tomorrow that person is gone, the next day will be you. Crying at home alone is the only option. Expect more to come from all corporations looking to spend money on stock buy-backs and not real work.
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16/03/2021 14:32:02 2 1
bbc
Their reducing the 5 to 10 thousand over the next 2 years. I'm sure they'll have heart enough to do the redundancies face to face in due course.
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16/03/2021 12:55:50 10 7
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This is just the tip of the iceberg just wait by the time Covid-19 is done (if ever) lot more companies will have to cut their losses. Or maybe they need a bailout from their respective governments it did happen some 30 years ago and this is the second wave of what’s to come
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16/03/2021 14:32:21 1 4
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And we all know who pays for government ‘bailout’ spending, all of us mugs in the private sector
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16/03/2021 14:34:18 1 9
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As every millennial now has a smart phone superglued to both ears I guess the business has peaked, and this was only to be expected.
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16/03/2021 15:23:54 8 2
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Eh? they havent been a big manufacturer of phones for like 10 years plus now
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stu
16/03/2021 13:16:52 1 3
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they provide non-vital services, we wont lose any sleep over it
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16/03/2021 14:35:34 1 2
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So the 4G & 5G infrastructure that they provide used by the emergency services is non-vital ?!?!

Remember that when you can't get a signal and you need help !!
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16/03/2021 12:56:50 2 5
bbc
Great.

Now I'm going to have "Do-do-do-dooo, do-do-do-dooo, do-do, do-doooooooo…" stuck in my head all afternoon!
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16/03/2021 14:49:09 0 2
bbc
And now you've put it in my head you ********

(please insert appropriate insult to feel mildly put down but not offended)
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:22:16 4 4
bbc
- This is a badly put together article. The old Nokia handset story is not the key point here.
- The real story here is Western security. Collapsing profitless (or even loss making) network infrastructure firms is not good news.
- However, if the point is that Nokia has a lot of BS jobs (And big firms often do) then they obviously need to disappear.
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16/03/2021 15:23:35 19 6
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happy to stay with my Nokia 6310i...received it on August 1st 1998...and never a bother since....no photos/emails etc to annoy/disturb me.....a great battery and great product (am sure the telecoms providers hate me.....) happy days!! ;-))
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16/03/2021 17:15:08 4 1
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I'm with nyou - 6310i - Battery lasts around 2 weeks between charges. Great for an "Off Grid" phone when you're out and about for a couple of weeks at a time where there is liitle access to power.
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16/03/2021 14:34:18 1 9
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As every millennial now has a smart phone superglued to both ears I guess the business has peaked, and this was only to be expected.
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16/03/2021 15:23:54 8 2
bbc
Eh? they havent been a big manufacturer of phones for like 10 years plus now
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16/03/2021 15:28:38 7 4
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I hope Nokia come good. I would trust them with 5G over America and China. They were cutting edge back in the 80's and 90's with truly world beating handsets. The App merchants like Apple and Samsung killed their market share in short order. The 5G platform and Cloud offers Nokia a great opportunity.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:35:49 5 2
bbc
Much of Nokia's network infrastructure base is in the USA and came through the acquisition of Lucent.
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16/03/2021 14:15:11 1 19
bbc
Another big blow to the EU.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:31:07 4 2
bbc
Think a bit about which companies source the UK telephone networks.

But perhaps you are a Chinese troll happy to see a weak UK.
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16/03/2021 15:28:38 7 4
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I hope Nokia come good. I would trust them with 5G over America and China. They were cutting edge back in the 80's and 90's with truly world beating handsets. The App merchants like Apple and Samsung killed their market share in short order. The 5G platform and Cloud offers Nokia a great opportunity.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:35:49 5 2
bbc
Much of Nokia's network infrastructure base is in the USA and came through the acquisition of Lucent.
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16/03/2021 18:24:46 1 0
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Some of Alcatel-Lucent is in the USA. The rest is in France.
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16/03/2021 15:38:02 15 4
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Forget the handsets, Nokia are a serious supplier of network infrastructure. I work in this area and already working with them
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17/03/2021 21:12:48 0 0
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Nokia has produced good quality telecoms equipment since at least the 1990s!
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:44:48 1 7
bbc
90,000 people. up to 10,000 jobs to go. So (up to) over 10% over 2 years.
How many people retire each year?

Is there a story here?
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:02:22 4 3
bbc
(and those numbers are worldwide. We are talking about 96 jobs over 2 years in the UK)
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Ian
16/03/2021 15:45:19 3 6
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Nokia, Nokia
So much of a shock-ia
Rockier and rockier
No-one should mock-ia
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16/03/2021 15:51:29 2 5
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Nokia sadly rested on its laurels instead of anticipating customers’ needs...
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:00:06 5 2
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My brother worked for it when it was a phone company and he most certainly would agree with you. He saw what was coming and left the firm to work for Apple.
On the infrastructure side which what the business is now - he doesn't agree with you. He thinks they were playing catch up for a long time and the acquisition of Lucent was supposed to stem that. It was not a case of resting on ones laurels
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17/03/2021 01:21:04 1 1
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Sadly the one main reason Nokia "failed" where phones were concerned is they did not try to scam vulnerable people into buying something they really, if they are honest, have little use for as Apple and a number of other mobile phone companies did. Most of these fancy "gadgets" now hanging out of "back pockets" are purely very expensive status symbols
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16/03/2021 12:58:31 31 4
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I do really like their current handsets (I have a Nokia 5.3 myself). But this is not the same Nokia (HMD with Nokia branding). The real Nokia passed away the day Microsoft came along really (had been on life support since the N95).
I do hope they bounce back - I'd trust them to provide our 5G infrastructure (and beyond) over the US or China operators any day
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:54:27 1 1
bbc
Much of their infrastructure innovation *is* based in the US and came through the acquisition of Lucent.
82
16/03/2021 15:51:29 2 5
bbc
Nokia sadly rested on its laurels instead of anticipating customers’ needs...
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:00:06 5 2
bbc
My brother worked for it when it was a phone company and he most certainly would agree with you. He saw what was coming and left the firm to work for Apple.
On the infrastructure side which what the business is now - he doesn't agree with you. He thinks they were playing catch up for a long time and the acquisition of Lucent was supposed to stem that. It was not a case of resting on ones laurels
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16/03/2021 20:51:10 1 0
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I have always been a Nokia advocate. However, the previous business strategy did not help it in the global market and diversification has not been successful.

The latest strategy might help - https://www.nokia.com/about-us/news/releases/2020/10/29/nokia-announces-first-phase-of-its-new-strategy-changes-to-operating-model-and-group-leadership-team/

losing 10,000 posts is not great..
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16/03/2021 16:01:38 4 7
bbc
This is one of the companies now supplying our 5G network and they are behind the field in development of 5G,good move by our Government.
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:05:23 18 0
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Glad to see this comment. So many other comments talk about phones almost as if people don't get that Nokia has moved on and the mainstay of the business is not mobile phones.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:44:48 1 7
bbc
90,000 people. up to 10,000 jobs to go. So (up to) over 10% over 2 years.
How many people retire each year?

Is there a story here?
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:02:22 4 3
bbc
(and those numbers are worldwide. We are talking about 96 jobs over 2 years in the UK)
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16/03/2021 16:01:38 4 7
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This is one of the companies now supplying our 5G network and they are behind the field in development of 5G,good move by our Government.
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Amy
16/03/2021 16:05:23 18 0
bbc
Glad to see this comment. So many other comments talk about phones almost as if people don't get that Nokia has moved on and the mainstay of the business is not mobile phones.
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stu
16/03/2021 12:58:28 1 5
bbc
oh.. "things" yeah I don't know anything about those
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16/03/2021 16:23:04 2 0
bbc
We can tell...
89
16/03/2021 16:36:18 1 7
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I didn't even realise Nokia were still a thing.

Is this off topic too ?
98
16/03/2021 18:28:42 0 1
bbc
Nokia rubber boots still very much a thing.
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16/03/2021 15:23:35 19 6
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happy to stay with my Nokia 6310i...received it on August 1st 1998...and never a bother since....no photos/emails etc to annoy/disturb me.....a great battery and great product (am sure the telecoms providers hate me.....) happy days!! ;-))
90
16/03/2021 17:15:08 4 1
bbc
I'm with nyou - 6310i - Battery lasts around 2 weeks between charges. Great for an "Off Grid" phone when you're out and about for a couple of weeks at a time where there is liitle access to power.
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16/03/2021 17:22:29 5 3
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I briefly worked for Nokia in Swindon back in the 90's.

It was a haphazard business then and I don't think it improved after I left.

Everything was re-active, never pro-active.

For all that, it's still a sad story.
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16/03/2021 17:26:55 4 3
bbc
Nokia. How very 1990s

It's a good business lesson - you do wonder how many of today's companies would similarly be caught out by a step change in consumer technology
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17/03/2021 01:16:05 1 1
bbc
Interesting thought. However even today the basic reliable Nokia phone is cheap and reliable especially for those not wishing to spend their money on "status" symbols which require replacing every couple of years due to inbuilt obsolescence.
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16/03/2021 13:27:52 4 6
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Nokia tried to make Symbian happen when most app developers were concentrating on the fledgling iOS and android. Blackberry had the same fate.

Nokia / Ericsson were the names of phones to have in the early 00s, but didn't see the new players as a threat in the smartphone world. How it cost them dear.
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16/03/2021 17:49:22 0 0
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You've got it wrong. Symbian (which was licenced by Psion to Nokia) replaced the earlier Nokia in-house phone software & predated iOS & Android. Psion's competitor was the MS handheld OS (which evolved into Win Phone, before demise) & Palm OS neither of which were a phone OS & Blackberry which by then became know as as the leading phone OS.

Hanging on with Symbian was Nokia's "Betamax" moment.
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stu
16/03/2021 13:15:37 1 5
bbc
sounds like it, yes, what are your qualifications
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16/03/2021 17:56:38 1 0
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Well the OP has a negative take, but not entirely without merit, so they certainly have some idea. I'd just add that one bad decision can reverberate for a long while, especially during an era of instability, we've certainly had that over the last decade or so.
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16/03/2021 13:24:54 2 3
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Brexit supporters are the ones making fools of themselves; hard to change it now but to claim its benefical for the UK shows a lack of intellectual ability.
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16/03/2021 18:07:00 1 0
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This Nokia story has nothing to do with Brexit. It's really only a BBC depressing page filler, unless you happen to be one of the poor unfortunates (about 90 in the UK) Nokia make redundant. It's done quite a good job on exposing how little the average HYS post knows, but that's not a revelation either.
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Amy
16/03/2021 15:35:49 5 2
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Much of Nokia's network infrastructure base is in the USA and came through the acquisition of Lucent.
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16/03/2021 18:24:46 1 0
bbc
Some of Alcatel-Lucent is in the USA. The rest is in France.
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Amy
16/03/2021 18:44:47 1 0
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I am not an expert in the telco area but I do know that the moniker "Alcatel" disappeared a while ago. You are right, the Alcatel business was bigger than the Lucent business at acquisition time. However, much of the Alcatel business was written down following massive losses. AT&T and Verizon were the big bucks for Lucent worldwide services (I just googled) and that continued to Nokia.
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16/03/2021 16:36:18 1 7
bbc
I didn't even realise Nokia were still a thing.

Is this off topic too ?
98
16/03/2021 18:28:42 0 1
bbc
Nokia rubber boots still very much a thing.
97
16/03/2021 18:24:46 1 0
bbc
Some of Alcatel-Lucent is in the USA. The rest is in France.
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Amy
16/03/2021 18:44:47 1 0
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I am not an expert in the telco area but I do know that the moniker "Alcatel" disappeared a while ago. You are right, the Alcatel business was bigger than the Lucent business at acquisition time. However, much of the Alcatel business was written down following massive losses. AT&T and Verizon were the big bucks for Lucent worldwide services (I just googled) and that continued to Nokia.
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16/03/2021 13:38:41 20 11
bbc
Any mobile phone company deciding t manufacture in the UK will have no shortage of customers for its products. People the world over are starting to look for local alternatives in many consumer goods.
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Amy
16/03/2021 18:55:33 1 0
bbc
"Local" alternatives?

Everything in that phone would be imported before it is assembled.