Cost of living: Hand gel in, white chocolate out
15/03/2021 | news | business | 846
Loungewear and smart watches are other commonly bought goods now used to measure changes in the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:32:03 25 5
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The Milky Bars aren't on us !!
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15/03/2021 12:37:04 17 4
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(other white chocolate bars are available)
??
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15/03/2021 12:32:34 4 5
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"Basket" of over 700 items?
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15/03/2021 12:38:51 6 16
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A tub of "Hundreds and thousands", though
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15/03/2021 12:52:37 1 1
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To be fair I regularly exceed that when I'm in Aldi (other german discounters available) because I never have a quid on me any more
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15/03/2021 12:32:37 66 8
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One thing I hope for is that people buy less clothes and less often. Fast fashion is never good for the consumer or those involved in production.
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15/03/2021 12:33:49 48 26
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should be "fewer " clothes ....
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15/03/2021 15:17:08 1 1
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As a Scot I have always done that - and what do Scots do with their old clothes? Wear them!
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15/03/2021 16:20:22 2 1
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The main issue with fast fashion (well, all fashion really) is with the environment.

It's, basically, the opposite of reduce, re-use, recycle.

Fashion is about convincing people that the thing they own, that's perfectly serviceable still, is actually of no use and should be thrown away.
A country full of charlatans run by charlatans Removed
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15/03/2021 12:36:26 23 12
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Clearly so, but relevance?
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15/03/2021 16:14:37 0 1
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Who are you calling a charlatan?
So, no HYS on the police handling of last nights protest but , instead, we deal with the big questions like this. Removed
Women: Can we have a protest?

Law: No

Women: *goes to protest*

Police: *Arrests woman*

Woman: *Surprised Pikachu face*
Removed
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15/03/2021 12:40:02 2 1
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Was there chocolate??
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15/03/2021 12:41:24 5 2
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Potential prosecutions against people, so probably won’t see a HYS on this.
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15/03/2021 12:39:50 11 4
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Cost of living IS a serious matter for everyone.

Police dealing with law breaking, virus spreading, virtue signalling idiots pushing a political agenda is of no great interest to the majority.
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15/03/2021 12:32:37 66 8
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One thing I hope for is that people buy less clothes and less often. Fast fashion is never good for the consumer or those involved in production.
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15/03/2021 12:33:49 48 26
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should be "fewer " clothes ....
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15/03/2021 12:37:18 3 4
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Thank you.
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15/03/2021 12:37:43 5 1
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People are wearing less clothing too.
Lower half optional, these days.
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JJ
15/03/2021 12:38:23 0 1
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They mean skimpy clothing.
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15/03/2021 15:22:12 7 3
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No it shouldn't. Less / fewer has NEVER been a grammatical "rule" in English, it was the sole opinion of a guy in the 1700s called Robert Baker who claimed that fewer sounded better for countable nouns. Less for countable items e.g. "10 items or less" is recorded in English back 1000+ years. It's become the standard "I'm so smart" response for people for years, without them knowing history.
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15/03/2021 12:34:15 137 13
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Inflation has been hiding in plain sight in the form of increasing asset prices (house prices went up 8.5% up to December 2020 according to the ONS, despite CPI being below 2%).

Anyone trying to get onto the property ladder, and/or choosing which market type to start a pension fund in, will see how inflation’s measurement is currently flawed and the unsustainability on inflating market bubbles.
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15/03/2021 12:37:31 59 5
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Unfortunately I think these house price rises are here to stay, not to leave until our housing policy shifts.
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15/03/2021 13:36:50 0 3
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Nope, wrong, no other way is saying it really.
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15/03/2021 14:01:12 7 4
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House prices will continue to rise unless several things happen:
- population size remains as is
- policies change & vast swathes of countryside are built over
- recent trend of more people living alone stops

It's supply and demand. Also, what a lot of people don't consider when looking at house prices - people spend money on their houses, extending, renovating etc. All adds to increased prices
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15/03/2021 14:07:40 8 2
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As long as people consider houses as investments to be milked, rather than a place to live, the prices will continue to rise higher than the cost of living.
Property owners lobbying to keep prices high does not help either. It feels like 'trying to close the door after you once you are in'. As someone who is saving up for a deposit, a housing crash seems almost like good news.
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15/03/2021 14:52:27 5 3
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Where I live the amount of houses/flats that no one lives in is huge, be it second homes or just for investment, these properties remain empty apart from the odd week of the year, and yet we still build more houses on every bit of land for no gain to those who can't get on the property ladder,
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15/03/2021 12:34:38 103 20
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Dont really get the point of this, think it would be better to monitor the cost of basic items that people need to live and then acting so all have sufficient of the basics - coffee sachets, reusable drink bottles , axminster carpets and electric cars are not things anyone 'needs'
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15/03/2021 12:39:59 23 24
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Agree, but very soon the cost of electric cars will be very much to the forefront of this discussion. Unfortunately
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15/03/2021 13:07:06 4 10
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Electric cars should not be included until they are the same price as their fossil fuel counterparts.

Still a pipe dream.....30k+ for something that looks like the awful car you passed your test in 20 years ago.... and no decent infrastructure to support them. When the tipping point passes only then can we replace petrol stations with huge car parks of people waiting 20 minutes to 2 hours....
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15/03/2021 13:23:00 13 2
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They do.
Go to the ONS website. Check your facts.
That is ALL monitored.
Just because the BBC didn't list all items doesn't mean they aren't there.
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15/03/2021 13:23:49 11 1
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It’s a measure of what people buy not what they need.
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15/03/2021 15:08:12 1 2
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I k ow a lot of teachers who'd disagree about coffee not being essential.
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15/03/2021 15:24:50 2 2
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And electric cars prices will soon be dropping massively, keeping the inflation rate down.
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15/03/2021 17:30:55 0 1
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Can you not see a problem with attempting to define a list of what you think everyone should need?
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15/03/2021 12:34:40 17 32
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Brexit will push up the cost of living
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15/03/2021 12:37:19 10 15
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Oh dear, here we go...

Do please spell out your expertise in the field of global economics, or is it (more likely) another case of BDS?
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15/03/2021 12:37:45 5 1
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Probably, but what has that to do with this topic.
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Ben
15/03/2021 12:39:55 4 1
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I suspect that you don't need to be Nostradamus to predict that the cost of living will rise. As for the cause? Who knows, although I gather that there are some other significant events besides Brexit
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15/03/2021 13:13:11 0 2
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Of course brexit has already pushed up the cost of living, and yes, causes of inflation are relevant to a discussion of how it is measured, but what is hilarious is to see brexit-damage-deniers getting apoplectic about it even being mentioned, while at the same time being totally unable to point to anything good that's come out of the process.
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15/03/2021 12:34:48 52 11
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White Chocolate is always in, maybe it’s like Marmite, love it or hate it.
Me I’m a lover.
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jon
15/03/2021 13:03:44 18 52
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Oh dear this will upset the Islington champagne socialists who love a bit of white chocolate with their favourite tipple.
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15/03/2021 13:43:34 6 3
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That white stuff is not chocolate.
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15/03/2021 15:05:38 1 2
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White chocolate Toblerone :D
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15/03/2021 12:34:50 280 42
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Never understand why 'cost of living' studies like these factor in chocolate bars and the like but fail to include real high cost living items like mortgages/rents. It seems bizarre!
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15/03/2021 12:43:08 110 18
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It's calculated separately as household debt. It all goes towards understanding the big picture.
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15/03/2021 12:47:04 19 7
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To keep inflation low
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15/03/2021 13:06:25 12 1
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Price of a Freddo mind.
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15/03/2021 13:10:23 37 4
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THEY DO!!!
As I have said to others on this HYS, I wish you people would maybe look at, say, the ONS website and see that their cost of living dataset INCLUDES all that stuff, instead of making ridiculous sweeping comments based on this small article reporting on one tiny element of the whole! And even sadder is you have so many upvotes, obviously nobody has bothered to check FACTS.
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15/03/2021 13:12:41 20 3
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It is not bizarre because it is not actually the reality. Everything IS included.
This is how "misinformation" via the internet gets started - look at all the people who upvoted, believed you and agreed with you!
Heartbreaking the gullibility nowadays.
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15/03/2021 13:33:18 3 4
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Lot of responses - surely if an article comes out on 'cost of living' and the big ticket items are left out of any context then many people including myself will assume that the criteria sits in marginal items which do not reflect 'cost of living'. Context - as ever - is all!
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15/03/2021 13:33:22 1 4
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Just makes the well to do brigade feel good..so who can afford an electric car, oh yeh the permanently hard done to middle classes
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15/03/2021 13:38:15 2 1
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Because they try to bury poor economic performance by reductio ad absurdum. But cost? Yes we all know greedy people will ramp up prices and blame Covid or Brexit depending on political stance, but have you noticed what’s not actually on the shelves rather than cost?
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15/03/2021 14:00:34 1 1
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This is retail price index, which does not include mortgages or rents. The one that includes such items is the consumer price index. Each is used for slightly different purposes.
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15/03/2021 14:11:04 2 1
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To prevent savers becoming further disillusioned by poor interest rates?
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15/03/2021 14:12:19 4 3
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They don't want us to see 'the bigger picture'. They want it doled out in tiny pieces so we can't see how badly we are off without putting in a lot of effort.

Same reason we don't have single tax rate. No, far better to hide away taxes so that we don't ever see we're being ripped off by those above us.

It's not the poor that are scroungers in this country. We work so they don't have to.
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15/03/2021 14:20:08 3 1
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To clarify: in contrast to CPI, another measure CPIH does include housing costs and the government is now using that as its main inflation measure. However CPI still tends to be stated as a headline figure and, things such as pension increases and pay reviews still tend to be linked to CPI. Recent history shows that CPIH tends to be around 0.2%pa higher than CPI, so, different but not much.
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15/03/2021 14:21:44 2 1
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Well they used to include the cost of mortgages, but then when the prices started to sky rocket and showing costing inflation getting out of control, they removed it. Basically they decide what figure they want and build a list to come to that figure. Welcome to the world of BS.
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GW
15/03/2021 14:28:48 1 1
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Its so they can avoid paying pension rises
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15/03/2021 14:29:26 1 2
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But they are all on there.

Rent (private furnished and unfurnished rent, Local authority rent, RSL)
Mortgage interest payments
Depreciation
Council Tax and rates
Water Charges
Plumbers fees
DIY materials
House Insurance.

They are all listed on the Retail Price Index, they haven't been added or removed since last year, so not relevant to this article.
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15/03/2021 15:22:46 2 1
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They include house sales, but only when the market is stagnating, so they can say we're in negative inflation.
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15/03/2021 15:57:01 1 1
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It seems bizarre until you realise that the government has an interest in making it look like inflation is low while keeping it high - when you realise that fact it would seem strange for it to be any other way. Government borrowing is made cheaper when the price level inflates and the money supply increases - to admit this, though, would mean the collapse of our current civilisation. It's a farce
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joe
15/03/2021 12:35:26 80 22
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This time next year they will calculate cost of living with popular items most collected from foodbanks the way the economy is going....
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15/03/2021 12:52:23 115 26
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Rees Mogg says we should be proud of the number of food banks we have, speaks volumes about him
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15/03/2021 15:14:03 7 3
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My local Freecycle is great, people give away most of their food bank items as they don't like a lot of what they've been given. You can get some really good luxury items if you want and plenty of staples.
Yes, folk are really struggling out there and not freeloading at all.
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15/03/2021 12:37:40 1 16
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Simon Jacks was spot on about sandwiches, though
A country full of charlatans run by charlatans Removed
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15/03/2021 12:36:26 23 12
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Clearly so, but relevance?
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15/03/2021 12:34:05 11 9
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Hand gel tastes better than white chocolate
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15/03/2021 12:34:58 204 24
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I'd like to see the ONS compile a cost of living calculation based solely on essentials, such as food, non fashion clothing, gas, electricity & transport.
Smart watches, coffee pods, electric cars & reusable drinking bottles are hardly likely to be high on the list of purchases for those a rise in the cost of living impacts most.
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15/03/2021 12:39:36 163 39
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Inflation to the likes of you and me is more like 10%. Usual Government twisting it to reduce to around 2% by including stuff we never buy
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15/03/2021 12:55:39 34 3
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The CPI list is freely available and includes 700+ items (as the article says) which does indeed include all those items you mentioned, with appropriate weighting for less common items, alongside other factors like rent, DIY, utility bills, council tax, white goods (and their repair costs) etc etc. If you actually look into it, the list of items is a good representation of annual spending.
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15/03/2021 13:05:41 6 3
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Hey, what's going on? A meaningful, social concern comment from you seems totally out of sync. The account must have been hacked!
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15/03/2021 13:17:21 23 2
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Then go to the ONS website and look at their stats - it's there quite obviously and clearly for anyone with half a brain who cares to look (instead of making vacuous comments on here, for example)
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Bob
15/03/2021 13:24:14 16 1
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They're on the list because they're common items. Don't mistake your personal tastes for the wider consumer. Also don't mistake that items not purchased often (you don't buy an Apple Watch or a Fitbit weekly, of course) for having equal weight in the overall figure vs. say bread or cheese. They don't.

Each market segment is also broken down if you want that data.
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15/03/2021 13:54:27 6 1
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Or, given everyone is different - why not compile one yourself, year on year from your own known data...it is a fun thing to do! :-)
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15/03/2021 15:47:42 1 1
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So you'd like to see pay rises, pensions and the living wage calculated on the cost of bread and water?
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15/03/2021 16:42:58 0 1
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Most people do not live solely on what you consider to be essentials. Although what you mean by essential food and non fashion clothing is anybody's guess.
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15/03/2021 12:35:26 7 11
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Never liked white chocolate much prefer my chocolate dark.
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xlr
15/03/2021 12:56:32 4 3
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That's because there's no chocolate in white chocolate. It's just the leftover fat from the cocoa bean with a bunch of sugar and a touch of vanilla. Can't say I was much for it either.
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15/03/2021 12:32:03 25 5
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The Milky Bars aren't on us !!
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15/03/2021 12:37:04 17 4
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(other white chocolate bars are available)
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No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:42:27 6 1
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You mean like a frizbee?
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15/03/2021 12:43:09 3 2
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Bit too dodgy for the Beeb
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15/03/2021 12:44:56 0 1
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You mean like a frizbee?
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15/03/2021 12:47:58 2 2
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Yes but it's white chocolate...
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15/03/2021 12:33:49 48 26
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should be "fewer " clothes ....
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15/03/2021 12:37:18 3 4
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Thank you.
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15/03/2021 12:37:26 15 6
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It is very important to see that "your" personal rate of inflation has nothing to do with the ONS go at estimating the national rate of inflation experienced by the population

It is made up and it probably isn't a very good estimate and at such low levels of inflation that really matters

As we can see it will be massively skewed for 2 years now by assuming the future will be like the past
So, no HYS on the police handling of last nights protest but , instead, we deal with the big questions like this. Removed
Women: Can we have a protest?

Law: No

Women: *goes to protest*

Police: *Arrests woman*

Woman: *Surprised Pikachu face*
Removed
As long as they hate and demonize men its fine Removed
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15/03/2021 12:44:35 6 14
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Read the High Court case. There is no blanket legal ban on protests. The Met themselves conceded this exact point during the case.

The Met flatly refused to work with the organisers of the vigil, for reasons which are blindingly obvious (and nothing do to with covid).

If the right to protest only exists when those in power tell you that you can, then there is no right to protest at all.
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15/03/2021 12:34:40 17 32
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Brexit will push up the cost of living
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15/03/2021 12:37:19 10 15
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Oh dear, here we go...

Do please spell out your expertise in the field of global economics, or is it (more likely) another case of BDS?
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15/03/2021 12:55:01 4 4
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I am neither chemist nor meteorologists and yet I am able to confidently tell you when it’s raining and also that rain is mostly H2O.

Also, I’m not a doctor yet I’m able to easily spot certain types of compound fracture;a broken bone poking out is the giveaway.

ALWAYS demanding argument by authority is simply avoidance.

Some things are just obvious.....unless you’re in denial.
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xlr
15/03/2021 12:37:29 53 18
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My cost of living has gone up about £100 a month in real terms since January. Groceries have gone up, and electricity, internet, broadband and car breakdown cover all announced rises.

If they tell me that their calculation on wifi bulbs means that cost of living hasn't rising, then I'll know it's all a big con.
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15/03/2021 12:50:54 26 2
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As the article clearly states, there are over 700 items used, including loads of weekly shopping items like fruit, veg, pasta, rice etc. The January CPI was 0.9% up from 0.8% in December and 0.6% in November
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15/03/2021 12:34:15 137 13
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Inflation has been hiding in plain sight in the form of increasing asset prices (house prices went up 8.5% up to December 2020 according to the ONS, despite CPI being below 2%).

Anyone trying to get onto the property ladder, and/or choosing which market type to start a pension fund in, will see how inflation’s measurement is currently flawed and the unsustainability on inflating market bubbles.
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15/03/2021 12:37:31 59 5
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Unfortunately I think these house price rises are here to stay, not to leave until our housing policy shifts.
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15/03/2021 13:08:50 15 4
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On the other hand, introducing radical changes to drag house prices down could be dangerous and leave hundreds of thousands, maybe millions in negative equity.
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15/03/2021 13:29:42 7 4
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No, the housing bubble will burst eventually because they propped it up in 2008/9 and now again.
They are just trying to slow down the inevitable. The BIG question is when?
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15/03/2021 13:31:20 7 4
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House prices will cause / have caused a break down in our social fabric, as has a debt based economy. These two things are unsustainable and will result in devastating consequences to humankind in the UK and abroad once people finally realise as such. (I mean devastating in the literal sense).
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15/03/2021 12:37:40 1 16
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Simon Jacks was spot on about sandwiches, though
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15/03/2021 12:33:49 48 26
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should be "fewer " clothes ....
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15/03/2021 12:37:43 5 1
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People are wearing less clothing too.
Lower half optional, these days.
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15/03/2021 17:52:24 0 1
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Do people walk around naked from the waist down where you live?
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15/03/2021 12:34:40 17 32
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Brexit will push up the cost of living
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15/03/2021 12:37:45 5 1
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Probably, but what has that to do with this topic.
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15/03/2021 12:33:49 48 26
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should be "fewer " clothes ....
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JJ
15/03/2021 12:38:23 0 1
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They mean skimpy clothing.
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15/03/2021 12:32:34 4 5
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"Basket" of over 700 items?
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15/03/2021 12:38:51 6 16
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A tub of "Hundreds and thousands", though
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White privilege chocolate should be banned - the milky bar kid should be forced into bonded labour to atone for what must obviously be the sins of his great great great great great grandfather (a man of course) Removed
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15/03/2021 12:39:04 7 3
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I'm the exact opposite. Much prefer white chocolate. Never fancied dark chocolate.
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15/03/2021 12:51:30 2 2
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White chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate though. Try some of the speciality dark chocolates, its a bit like real ale. They all have individual flavours and have the added bonus that you don't want to eat loads of it because it's so rich (unlike real ale)
Wow.

BBC has the gender story as top of every page, live feed etc etc

But the 'conversation' is about white chocolate.

Obviously not that important to them.
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15/03/2021 12:46:23 4 10
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They are waiting for the government to tell them what the party line is so they can duly spin it. But that won't happen until the Tories have done some quick focus groups and worked out how things will affect their polling numbers.
Trying to be race and gender neutral.
Don’t blame BBC to be honest, HYS is very emotive on the most trivial things, a big topic like race or gender, most posters would be removed, would keep the moderators gainfully employed thaugh.
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15/03/2021 12:34:58 204 24
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I'd like to see the ONS compile a cost of living calculation based solely on essentials, such as food, non fashion clothing, gas, electricity & transport.
Smart watches, coffee pods, electric cars & reusable drinking bottles are hardly likely to be high on the list of purchases for those a rise in the cost of living impacts most.
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15/03/2021 12:39:36 163 39
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Inflation to the likes of you and me is more like 10%. Usual Government twisting it to reduce to around 2% by including stuff we never buy
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ceb
15/03/2021 13:07:22 14 2
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It’s weighted though, so a larger share of ‘basket’ will be things people buy regularly. Food is a much smaller proportion of our incomes than it ever used to be. So I think fair to include other things to understand what the ‘average’ person spends. Even if the ‘average’ person doesn’t exist
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15/03/2021 13:22:06 12 1
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No it isn’t. This is an index based on average household spending. The items are weighted by importance. Things like sanitiser are headline grabbing but actually account for a minuscule proportion of the index. The highest weighted items are bought most.
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15/03/2021 13:26:52 10 1
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There are definitely product groups that are up at 10% (as you can see if you go on the ONS).

But there are also plenty of other things that have very low inflation and even deflation - food and clothing are far more affordable than in the 80s. You can argue that this is a symptom of supermarket buyer power and fast fashion, and therefore not a good thing, but that's a separate conversation.
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15/03/2021 15:06:55 2 3
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Glad to see you've got a handle on it all.
If inflation reached 10% we'd see interest rates hike to late 80s early 90s values (govt spin or not) before it'd be costing you a week's wages for a loaf of bread. This would be great for savers, except we're a nation that lives on debt now, thanks to Tony and Gordo's borrowing philosophy, so we'd be seriously scr*w*d.
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15/03/2021 16:44:44 0 1
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If nobody bought things they wouldn't be on the list. That is why some items are no longer on there. It isn't a list of what you buy, or think others should buy.
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15/03/2021 12:34:40 17 32
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Brexit will push up the cost of living
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Ben
15/03/2021 12:39:55 4 1
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I suspect that you don't need to be Nostradamus to predict that the cost of living will rise. As for the cause? Who knows, although I gather that there are some other significant events besides Brexit
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15/03/2021 12:34:38 103 20
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Dont really get the point of this, think it would be better to monitor the cost of basic items that people need to live and then acting so all have sufficient of the basics - coffee sachets, reusable drink bottles , axminster carpets and electric cars are not things anyone 'needs'
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15/03/2021 12:39:59 23 24
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Agree, but very soon the cost of electric cars will be very much to the forefront of this discussion. Unfortunately
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15/03/2021 13:04:08 2 3
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If they put in electric cars with normal cars inflation would be through the roof.
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15/03/2021 13:35:05 2 5
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Hope not, will keep buying old no electric
So, no HYS on the police handling of last nights protest but , instead, we deal with the big questions like this. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:40:02 2 1
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Was there chocolate??
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15/03/2021 12:40:05 29 16
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**** I often look at the materials list of the ONS and have concluded that they may just make this up in pub after downing a few. Really hand gel and white chocolate, types of carpet ???
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15/03/2021 13:28:15 20 1
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You mean they found a pub that was open in February????
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15/03/2021 13:43:57 5 1
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The thing is, the list of items that have been added or removed is short and tends to include things that are surprising/interesting/unexpected. The full list is long and boring and items like cheddar, lamb chops, batteries, washing-up liquid and the like stay on there all the time (though frozen vegetables has expanded with this to include things other than peas!).
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15/03/2021 12:40:32 494 57
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The “basket” of goods used to calculate the cost of living continues to be a joke. It is unrepresentative of most people’s shopping.
Smart watches aren’t part of the cost of living, they are an occasional, if you can afford it purchase. Same with gym weights etc. Buy them and use them for years.
Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly. That is the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:48:21 81 75
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Can my golf club membership go on there? I pay it every year and its an essential! :)
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15/03/2021 12:48:48 57 9
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The "basket" contains over 700 items as the article clearly states. It is intended to be a representation of consumer spending patterns, not JUST what someone buys on a weekly supermarket shop. If you bother to look it up, the 700 items includes numerous shopping items e.g. flour, rice, paste, bread, mince, pork chops, chicken breast, milk, eggs, butter, 17 types of fruit etc etc
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15/03/2021 12:50:19 16 45
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It’s such nonsense. Dates from a time where every household basically bought the same meat and two veg dinners, didn’t own a car or tv and was jolly lucky to afford a Turkey at Christmas. Another out of touch method that gov and statisticians use to try and “predict” us. Out of touch with society and the world at large
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15/03/2021 12:54:28 6 26
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but that would be the sensible thing to do!!!!!
This is the age of nonsense - whatever happened to the "Age of Aquereos"?
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15/03/2021 13:19:42 21 15
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Can’t help but wonder if some items are chosen specifically to skew the figures...
249
15/03/2021 13:35:58 14 5
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No it isn't, you just don't understand it.
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15/03/2021 13:41:13 11 1
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Smart watches and the like do have the interesting property that their prices drop rapidly as the technology and market matures.
Its a tricky factor to compensate for in inflation figures
337
15/03/2021 14:10:33 11 3
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"Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly"
Toilet paper, Daily Mail, oh wait a minute, I see a saving there!
363
15/03/2021 14:18:48 11 3
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Yes and its funny how rent and bills are never included in inflation figures, considering it's more than half of most people's outgoings...
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15/03/2021 14:41:10 3 1
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I'm pretty sure they factor in that you don't buy a smart watch as often as you buy milk.
479
15/03/2021 15:04:23 2 3
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The basket doesnt represent a weeks shopping. Its a telling tale when 265 people think you are right.
507
15/03/2021 15:16:49 5 2
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Lamb Shoulder on the bone! A rare Luxury for most people! Ridiculous Apple watch and Hand Weights! Let's have a public link to the list so we can all review it and submit what we know is essential cost of living items, with a delete irrelevant stuff cross box and submit revised version button! Hi value, non essential goods and luxury items are not part of the cost of living! Comments anyone?
578
15/03/2021 15:45:15 5 1
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The basket of goods reflects what people are actually buying, including things like pasta and bread. Have you ever considered that the world doesn't pivot around your personal choice? Maybe you are the one living in a joke and everyone else is laughing at you?
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15/03/2021 15:49:58 2 1
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The basket is defined by what people are actually buying - the ONS track purchasing habits - so is truly representative. That's why things move in and out of the basket, as their sales rise and fall.
617
15/03/2021 15:58:52 1 3
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That would be embarrassing for the government especially with brexit effect filtering through.
625
15/03/2021 16:02:43 3 1
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Google and Amazon must laugh their very expensive socks off at such amateurish, 20th century methods of trying understand people's spending behaviour.

Is it any wonder these corporations run rings around out (any many other, to be fair) governments when they are operating in the big data world and governments are using an imaginary "shopping list" to understand what's happening.
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15/03/2021 16:17:11 0 1
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The 700 plus items might include those basics......
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15/03/2021 12:40:56 7 9
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"white chocolate out"

=why does it have to be "white chocolate out" ?
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15/03/2021 12:42:36 1 4
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Because, Ewww! ;-)
Women: Can we have a protest?

Law: No

Women: *goes to protest*

Police: *Arrests woman*

Woman: *Surprised Pikachu face*
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As long as they hate and demonize men its fine Removed
Whilst I (& I imagine all decent men) support this cause, it is telling how we have had wall to wall coverage on the radio and in the print media where the (female) author has blurted out that the way men treat women is unacceptable.

They all, without exception, used the term 'men', as if all men perpetuate this behaviour.

We find it abhorrent as well. Please adjust your rhetoric accordingly!
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So, no HYS on the police handling of last nights protest but , instead, we deal with the big questions like this. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:41:24 5 2
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Potential prosecutions against people, so probably won’t see a HYS on this.
Seriously, a HYS on this rubbish? Why not a HYS bon the Police mishandling of the vigil in London? Can't have that eh BBC, got to do as your Tory masters tell you. Pathetic organization these days. Removed
I wouldn't say it was mishandled but the law need to be consistent. Rangers fans allowed to party but peaceful vigils are not?

Hmmmm
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More like some uncomfortable opinions about the behaviour of some of the women and their ignorance of the law. Removed
They did mishandle that vigil, I totally agree.

Every single one of those present should have been fined for breaking COVID law.......
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Vigil was illegal, simples.
Any heavy handedness that was seen is standard procedure, and for clarity it is not heavy handed just safe operations, no grace given for race creed or gender. Although you could argue that restraint was used for the BAME and ER protests (wrongly lenient).
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No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:42:27 6 1
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You mean like a frizbee?
So, no HYS on the police handling of last nights protest but , instead, we deal with the big questions like this. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:39:50 11 4
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Cost of living IS a serious matter for everyone.

Police dealing with law breaking, virus spreading, virtue signalling idiots pushing a political agenda is of no great interest to the majority.
Can we even say “white chocolate” any more?

Surely we have “chocolate of colour” and then everything else.

No wonder it’s being pushed out!
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15/03/2021 12:44:26 8 4
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"Help! I'm being oppressed!"
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15/03/2021 12:40:56 7 9
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"white chocolate out"

=why does it have to be "white chocolate out" ?
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15/03/2021 12:42:36 1 4
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Because, Ewww! ;-)
Comment posted by Cumulus, today at 12:37
"No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate."

Speaks volumes about our host, as do the removed comments on any subject.
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They are ignored for the reason that many racists and misinformation will fly like nothing.

It couldn't moderated.

And the best thing to do about Harry and Meghan?

Ignore them from here on in.
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I have been posting about this for a about a week now, HYS's on anything from cat food to chocolate but god forbid that we might be able to comment on anything controversial, as a white middle aged heterosexual male the BBC really isn't interested in any thoughts that I may have. In fact, the BBC no longer represents me in any way whatsoever, Removed
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15/03/2021 12:34:50 280 42
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Never understand why 'cost of living' studies like these factor in chocolate bars and the like but fail to include real high cost living items like mortgages/rents. It seems bizarre!
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15/03/2021 12:43:08 110 18
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It's calculated separately as household debt. It all goes towards understanding the big picture.
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15/03/2021 12:52:22 4 11
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Is it really understanding the big picture? Hmmm yes makes a whole world of difference to us day to day ??
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15/03/2021 13:09:36 6 12
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REALLY at what cost to the UK taxpayer ??????????
You can massage fact's and figures to say whatever you want it to !!!!
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15/03/2021 13:26:09 4 1
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That is not an adequate response. Rent is not directly related to debt. Not all (groupings of) individuals own property. However, most (groupings of) individuals have a monthly expense related to either rent or mortgage repayments, without which they would face eviction. Thus monthly rent/mortgage is a cost of living.
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15/03/2021 14:52:35 0 1
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I pay my rent in advance, how is that debt?
487
15/03/2021 15:07:20 2 1
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I'm also quite sure mortgages and rents were removed (they used to be included) to artificially reduce the inflation rate.
No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:43:09 3 2
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Bit too dodgy for the Beeb
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15/03/2021 12:44:13 6 5
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Good that these lists reflect real expenditure. Sandwiches bought whilst out at work definitely have tanked but all the grumps focus on white choc (to press their non-woke memes)
Can we even say “white chocolate” any more?

Surely we have “chocolate of colour” and then everything else.

No wonder it’s being pushed out!
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15/03/2021 12:44:26 8 4
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"Help! I'm being oppressed!"
Women: Can we have a protest?

Law: No

Women: *goes to protest*

Police: *Arrests woman*

Woman: *Surprised Pikachu face*
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15/03/2021 12:44:35 6 14
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Read the High Court case. There is no blanket legal ban on protests. The Met themselves conceded this exact point during the case.

The Met flatly refused to work with the organisers of the vigil, for reasons which are blindingly obvious (and nothing do to with covid).

If the right to protest only exists when those in power tell you that you can, then there is no right to protest at all.
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15/03/2021 13:06:19 10 3
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And the organisers realised that what they were trying to do in the current climate was wrong so they cancelled it. Those that went ahead decided to see how far they could push it and then complained when the Police said "thats too far....." they had been warned but they did it anyway. No sympathy here.
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15/03/2021 12:44:54 163 11
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"Hybrid and electric cars were also added to the basket"

How big is that basket!?
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15/03/2021 12:51:06 13 27
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They should be shoved in the basket
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15/03/2021 13:24:39 4 10
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Does that mean we get one? I'd like the Tesla SUV thingy ... I can then sell it and buy more diesel :)
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15/03/2021 13:34:13 4 10
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Don't support child slave labour in getting the cobalt...
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15/03/2021 13:59:35 5 3
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Joke including them as they were massively over-priced and are coming down slowly and that will artificially suppress CPI.

Including high value goods that are declining in price is a cheap nasty trick to reduce the rate of CPI on a year by year basis.
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15/03/2021 14:26:07 2 1
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As long as you can lift it!
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15/03/2021 14:52:51 1 1
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One huge basket!
727
15/03/2021 16:54:03 0 2
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It isn't an actual shopping basket. They don't make them that size.
No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:44:56 0 1
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You mean like a frizbee?
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15/03/2021 12:46:17 85 16
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The one thing you can guarantee is that wage growth will be severely lagging the cost of living, as it has done so since around 2010. Unless you’re a corporate executive or politician of course.
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15/03/2021 13:27:06 12 17
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Actually it hasn't done anything of the sort. Especially if you want to take 2010 as the starting point. Use 2008 for the financial crisis and the balance tips further in your favour, but still outpaced.
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15/03/2021 13:30:15 0 4
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2010!? Always has done not just from then where were you ? Living in cloud cookoo land?
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15/03/2021 14:35:58 2 2
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Net take home pay is what matters. Allowing for tax changes that have skewed income tax more and more to above median earners and things look a lot better. Having said that rising VAT has taken a lot of that back again. The chancellor giveth and then taketh away.
505
15/03/2021 15:16:21 4 3
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Did you miss the recession?
They're trying to inflate Tony's debt away without completely crippling the country.
If inflation outstrips wages for too long we'll have another recession, though we've never really escaped 2008's.
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15/03/2021 17:02:48 3 1
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Probably the reason this government is clearly manipulating the basket (e.g. by adding hand sanitiser - which is likely to tumble in price after the pandemic) is so that their mates and donors than run big companies can give their employees an "inflationary" rise which is considerably lower than the real inflation
Wow.

BBC has the gender story as top of every page, live feed etc etc

But the 'conversation' is about white chocolate.

Obviously not that important to them.
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15/03/2021 12:46:23 4 10
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They are waiting for the government to tell them what the party line is so they can duly spin it. But that won't happen until the Tories have done some quick focus groups and worked out how things will affect their polling numbers.
Comment posted by Cumulus, today at 12:37
"No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate."

Speaks volumes about our host, as do the removed comments on any subject.
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They are ignored for the reason that many racists and misinformation will fly like nothing.

It couldn't moderated.

And the best thing to do about Harry and Meghan?

Ignore them from here on in.
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15/03/2021 12:34:50 280 42
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Never understand why 'cost of living' studies like these factor in chocolate bars and the like but fail to include real high cost living items like mortgages/rents. It seems bizarre!
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15/03/2021 12:47:04 19 7
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To keep inflation low
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15/03/2021 13:01:36 8 6
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At current rates including mortgages would lower the rate.
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15/03/2021 12:47:29 0 1
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Fascinating..................
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15/03/2021 12:47:34 51 24
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It beggars belief that these studies fail to include the 'real cost of living' such as mortgages, rent, council tax, car tax, insurance all of which are tangible and relevant to the cost of our lives.
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Ben
15/03/2021 12:53:33 21 10
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How are any of those thing tangible?
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15/03/2021 12:55:54 7 1
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CPIH I think includes housing costs (the H in CPIH)
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15/03/2021 13:03:39 22 1
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It beggars belief that so many people are upvoting your comment when the cost of living dataset by the ONS INCLUDES all those things. Just because the BBC didn't include everything that is measured in their article (wouldn't have room) doesn't mean it's not there! It "beggars belief" that people like yourself make such ridiculous assertions without bothering to check FACTS.
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15/03/2021 13:06:50 9 1
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They do include rent and insurance. Council tax is in the CPIH (which includes Housing), and mortgage fees are also in.
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15/03/2021 13:15:10 0 8
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It because not everybody pays a mortgage,car tax or insurance.
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15/03/2021 14:06:31 1 2
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When I had a mortgage I was on a 5 year fixed rate. The cost therefore was the dame for 5 years. Therefore inflation was 0
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15/03/2021 14:12:11 0 2
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And the items which take the largest proportion of peoples income
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15/03/2021 14:30:36 5 1
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But they are all on there.

Rent (private furnished and unfurnished rent, Local authority rent, RSL)
Mortgage interest payments
Depreciation
Council Tax and rates
Water Charges
Plumbers fees
DIY materials
House Insurance.

They are all listed on the Retail Price Index, they haven't been added or removed since last year, so not relevant to this article.
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15/03/2021 18:04:44 0 1
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The problem is that we have RPI, CPI and CPIH which all include different things in their baskets. A guaranteed recipe for confusion.
Seriously, a HYS on this rubbish? Why not a HYS bon the Police mishandling of the vigil in London? Can't have that eh BBC, got to do as your Tory masters tell you. Pathetic organization these days. Removed
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I wouldn't say it was mishandled but the law need to be consistent. Rangers fans allowed to party but peaceful vigils are not?

Hmmmm
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They were heavy handled, of course it was mishandled. Look at how the policing went with the Rangers fans. The Police kept their distance and it fizzled out. If they had done the same at the weekend it wouldn't have led to so much criticism of them. Made worse by the fact it was of their own who murdered that poor girl. Removed
No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:47:58 2 2
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Yes but it's white chocolate...
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15/03/2021 13:07:29 0 1
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Are you implying it has some sort of privilege?
Wow.

BBC has the gender story as top of every page, live feed etc etc

But the 'conversation' is about white chocolate.

Obviously not that important to them.
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Trying to be race and gender neutral.
Don’t blame BBC to be honest, HYS is very emotive on the most trivial things, a big topic like race or gender, most posters would be removed, would keep the moderators gainfully employed thaugh.
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Seriously, a HYS on this rubbish? Why not a HYS bon the Police mishandling of the vigil in London? Can't have that eh BBC, got to do as your Tory masters tell you. Pathetic organization these days. Removed
More like some uncomfortable opinions about the behaviour of some of the women and their ignorance of the law. Removed
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I think the chocolate should be ask if identifies as "white"

It is quite serious though that the price of decent trainers has gone up again

For a while £100-120 appeared to be the new normal but we're firmly into the +£150 territory if you fall for the marketing from Asics/Brookes/Nike etc

Buy last years model and £120 is all you need to pay (1/2 size up remember)
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15/03/2021 12:40:32 494 57
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The “basket” of goods used to calculate the cost of living continues to be a joke. It is unrepresentative of most people’s shopping.
Smart watches aren’t part of the cost of living, they are an occasional, if you can afford it purchase. Same with gym weights etc. Buy them and use them for years.
Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly. That is the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:48:21 81 75
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Can my golf club membership go on there? I pay it every year and its an essential! :)
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15/03/2021 13:27:55 7 4
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...and that made me smile :-)
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15/03/2021 13:54:18 5 5
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Balls! I mean the cost of Golf Balls you buy these on a regular basis, unlike smart watches and weights. Least if you are a normal social golfer.
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15/03/2021 13:57:40 12 2
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My pension is adjusted by CPI and this year will go up by 0.5%

My actual non-discretionary expenditure will go up by at least 2% depending on the Council Tax hike.

To balance this I will either save less for a rainy day, or spend less on discretionary items.

If CPI were actually non-discretionally price reflective, it would be higher as those costs continue to outstrip CPI.
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15/03/2021 14:41:56 4 1
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'Yes' for membership but a definite 'No!' for the 'Rupert-the-bear' trousers!
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15/03/2021 15:17:46 4 1
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No. Your golf club fees are a luxury not a cost of living.
Perhaps they need to do a second number that is a cost of living it up on the high life?
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15/03/2021 15:41:38 6 1
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yes but remember golfers are at increased risk of covid as they already lost their sense of taste (re clothing).
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15/03/2021 16:13:36 1 1
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Only if you don't claim the vat back.
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15/03/2021 12:48:23 9 12
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High demand amid the pandemic for items such as hand sanitiser and loungewear mean

Why include temporary items in an historical data set?
Hopefully hand gel will be a thing of the past in about a year so makes no sense to include it
And last years reusable drinking bottles? They are reusable how often do you buy them ?

The ONS are the Tories little helpers
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15/03/2021 13:10:06 2 1
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It's not an historical dataset.
As the article states:
"This basket of goods reflects contemporary habits and technology to work out the inflation rate, which charts the changing cost of living".
Comment posted by sorrysorrysorry, today at 12:40sorrysorrysorry
12:40
"white chocolate out"

=why does it have to be "white chocolate out" ?

If it was dark chocolate, someone would be shouting "racism"... guaranteed.
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15/03/2021 12:54:28 5 4
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Will be non -binary chocolate next
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15/03/2021 12:40:32 494 57
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The “basket” of goods used to calculate the cost of living continues to be a joke. It is unrepresentative of most people’s shopping.
Smart watches aren’t part of the cost of living, they are an occasional, if you can afford it purchase. Same with gym weights etc. Buy them and use them for years.
Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly. That is the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:48:48 57 9
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The "basket" contains over 700 items as the article clearly states. It is intended to be a representation of consumer spending patterns, not JUST what someone buys on a weekly supermarket shop. If you bother to look it up, the 700 items includes numerous shopping items e.g. flour, rice, paste, bread, mince, pork chops, chicken breast, milk, eggs, butter, 17 types of fruit etc etc
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15/03/2021 13:20:45 36 9
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I think we are fighting a losing battle Nasqueron. It's fairly obvious these HYS are populated and read (if the upvotes are anything to go by) by people with no basic understanding of, well, anything really.
Still, kudos for trying to actually introduce proper factual information mate ??
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ja
15/03/2021 13:25:30 29 10
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Yes, but it doesn't include mortgages/rent or other things that actually go up and take a chunk out of your salary each month.
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15/03/2021 14:10:24 3 3
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But not housing. Thanks to no more boom and bust ( Gordon brown)
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15/03/2021 12:48:55 56 21
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Just hope they don't include PPE to Tory mates in the basket, inflation will be through the roof.........
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15/03/2021 13:15:59 19 35
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Since that is a myth no it probably won't be.
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15/03/2021 12:49:46 4 8
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Do they add petrol in ? Fresh vegetables and fruit ? Bread ?

Exercise Weights ??. First world problems. !!
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15/03/2021 12:51:03 5 1
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Of course they do
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15/03/2021 12:52:17 5 1
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Yes those things have always been in! Relax!
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15/03/2021 12:40:32 494 57
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The “basket” of goods used to calculate the cost of living continues to be a joke. It is unrepresentative of most people’s shopping.
Smart watches aren’t part of the cost of living, they are an occasional, if you can afford it purchase. Same with gym weights etc. Buy them and use them for years.
Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly. That is the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:50:19 16 45
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It’s such nonsense. Dates from a time where every household basically bought the same meat and two veg dinners, didn’t own a car or tv and was jolly lucky to afford a Turkey at Christmas. Another out of touch method that gov and statisticians use to try and “predict” us. Out of touch with society and the world at large
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15/03/2021 14:02:40 2 1
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Out of touch?
Good.
Wouldn’t want government knowing what is going on.
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xlr
15/03/2021 12:37:29 53 18
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My cost of living has gone up about £100 a month in real terms since January. Groceries have gone up, and electricity, internet, broadband and car breakdown cover all announced rises.

If they tell me that their calculation on wifi bulbs means that cost of living hasn't rising, then I'll know it's all a big con.
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15/03/2021 12:50:54 26 2
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As the article clearly states, there are over 700 items used, including loads of weekly shopping items like fruit, veg, pasta, rice etc. The January CPI was 0.9% up from 0.8% in December and 0.6% in November
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15/03/2021 16:13:36 1 1
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C'mon forget the facts, let the moanions go on about white chocolate and smart watches - it 's a while until the exam results come out!
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15/03/2021 12:49:46 4 8
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Do they add petrol in ? Fresh vegetables and fruit ? Bread ?

Exercise Weights ??. First world problems. !!
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15/03/2021 12:51:03 5 1
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Of course they do
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15/03/2021 12:44:54 163 11
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"Hybrid and electric cars were also added to the basket"

How big is that basket!?
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15/03/2021 12:51:06 13 27
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They should be shoved in the basket
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15/03/2021 12:51:23 6 2
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Milky bars are on me
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15/03/2021 12:39:04 7 3
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I'm the exact opposite. Much prefer white chocolate. Never fancied dark chocolate.
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15/03/2021 12:51:30 2 2
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White chocolate doesn't even taste like chocolate though. Try some of the speciality dark chocolates, its a bit like real ale. They all have individual flavours and have the added bonus that you don't want to eat loads of it because it's so rich (unlike real ale)
Still trying to understand why this subjects merits HYS.... Removed
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15/03/2021 12:53:26 19 4
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The other obvious topics are far too controversial
It's called media suppression. Removed
Because they are too scared to open one about the anti-democratic bill being pushed through by the government today. The one that will end freedom of speech in England. Removed
I know , I'd prefer one about tory corruption Removed
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15/03/2021 13:10:11 3 1
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yep there's nothing else important going on in the world.....

(only a media sponsored wars between sexes, racism and perceived privilege....)
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15/03/2021 13:15:20 2 1
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It's called media suppression (2)
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15/03/2021 12:49:46 4 8
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Do they add petrol in ? Fresh vegetables and fruit ? Bread ?

Exercise Weights ??. First world problems. !!
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15/03/2021 12:52:17 5 1
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Yes those things have always been in! Relax!
I wouldn't say it was mishandled but the law need to be consistent. Rangers fans allowed to party but peaceful vigils are not?

Hmmmm
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They were heavy handled, of course it was mishandled. Look at how the policing went with the Rangers fans. The Police kept their distance and it fizzled out. If they had done the same at the weekend it wouldn't have led to so much criticism of them. Made worse by the fact it was of their own who murdered that poor girl. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:43:08 110 18
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It's calculated separately as household debt. It all goes towards understanding the big picture.
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15/03/2021 12:52:22 4 11
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Is it really understanding the big picture? Hmmm yes makes a whole world of difference to us day to day ??
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15/03/2021 13:06:14 10 3
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I would have thought that understanding your levels of income and expenditure is quite important to ordinary people.
Seriously, a HYS on this rubbish? Why not a HYS bon the Police mishandling of the vigil in London? Can't have that eh BBC, got to do as your Tory masters tell you. Pathetic organization these days. Removed
They did mishandle that vigil, I totally agree.

Every single one of those present should have been fined for breaking COVID law.......
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15/03/2021 13:00:52 1 1
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Such responses sum up the UK atm. Enjoy that new bill which is being pushed through which will lead to rights being stripped. I'm guessing the likes of you will be the first to whine when you are personally effected. The UK is full of Serfs who treat politics and important issues as if it were tribal football rivalry. One could say you deserve what you get.
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joe
15/03/2021 12:35:26 80 22
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This time next year they will calculate cost of living with popular items most collected from foodbanks the way the economy is going....
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15/03/2021 12:52:23 115 26
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Rees Mogg says we should be proud of the number of food banks we have, speaks volumes about him
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xlr
15/03/2021 13:00:59 14 11
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Although he also says that nobody is poor enough in this country to have to visit a food bank. Not when we still have treasured personal belongings we can still take to Cash Converters...
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15/03/2021 17:57:44 0 3
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Speaks volumes about you not understanding he was praising how many charitable people there are around contributing to and working in food banks. Only a complete fool would think he was saying an increase in people needing food banks was a good thing.
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Comment posted by Cumulus, today at 12:37
"No HYS on the Oprah interview, police handling of the vigil, EU countries stopping the Astrazenica vaccine, but we can discus chocolate."

Speaks volumes about our host, as do the removed comments on any subject.
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I have been posting about this for a about a week now, HYS's on anything from cat food to chocolate but god forbid that we might be able to comment on anything controversial, as a white middle aged heterosexual male the BBC really isn't interested in any thoughts that I may have. In fact, the BBC no longer represents me in any way whatsoever, Removed
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15/03/2021 12:32:34 4 5
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"Basket" of over 700 items?
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15/03/2021 12:52:37 1 1
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To be fair I regularly exceed that when I'm in Aldi (other german discounters available) because I never have a quid on me any more
Still trying to understand why this subjects merits HYS.... Removed
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15/03/2021 12:53:26 19 4
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The other obvious topics are far too controversial
I commented that I'd rather have a hys about tory corruption and the mods deleted it.. Anyone would think they had an agenda Removed
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15/03/2021 12:47:34 51 24
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It beggars belief that these studies fail to include the 'real cost of living' such as mortgages, rent, council tax, car tax, insurance all of which are tangible and relevant to the cost of our lives.
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Ben
15/03/2021 12:53:33 21 10
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How are any of those thing tangible?
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15/03/2021 14:03:48 1 2
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Because ethey have a physical effect on living conditions, you'll soon see how tangible rent is when you stop paying and get thrown out on your tangible butt.
As long as they hate and demonize men its fine Removed
Whilst I (& I imagine all decent men) support this cause, it is telling how we have had wall to wall coverage on the radio and in the print media where the (female) author has blurted out that the way men treat women is unacceptable.

They all, without exception, used the term 'men', as if all men perpetuate this behaviour.

We find it abhorrent as well. Please adjust your rhetoric accordingly!
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15/03/2021 13:00:23 9 3
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Sexism against men is deemed acceptable by society, government and the BBC. Just the way it is.
Comment posted by sorrysorrysorry, today at 12:40sorrysorrysorry
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"white chocolate out"

=why does it have to be "white chocolate out" ?

If it was dark chocolate, someone would be shouting "racism"... guaranteed.
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15/03/2021 12:54:28 5 4
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Will be non -binary chocolate next
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15/03/2021 12:40:32 494 57
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The “basket” of goods used to calculate the cost of living continues to be a joke. It is unrepresentative of most people’s shopping.
Smart watches aren’t part of the cost of living, they are an occasional, if you can afford it purchase. Same with gym weights etc. Buy them and use them for years.
Need a basket of shopping that is based in what people buy regularly. That is the cost of living.
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15/03/2021 12:54:28 6 26
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but that would be the sensible thing to do!!!!!
This is the age of nonsense - whatever happened to the "Age of Aquereos"?
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LH
15/03/2021 14:04:57 4 1
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Don't you mean "a-queery-ar5e"?
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15/03/2021 14:46:38 1 1
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Aquarius
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15/03/2021 12:55:01 3 5
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No mention of dogs!?!?!..........as that's what people are buying and losing in equal measure where I live.
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15/03/2021 12:37:19 10 15
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Oh dear, here we go...

Do please spell out your expertise in the field of global economics, or is it (more likely) another case of BDS?
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15/03/2021 12:55:01 4 4
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I am neither chemist nor meteorologists and yet I am able to confidently tell you when it’s raining and also that rain is mostly H2O.

Also, I’m not a doctor yet I’m able to easily spot certain types of compound fracture;a broken bone poking out is the giveaway.

ALWAYS demanding argument by authority is simply avoidance.

Some things are just obvious.....unless you’re in denial.
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15/03/2021 12:34:58 204 24
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I'd like to see the ONS compile a cost of living calculation based solely on essentials, such as food, non fashion clothing, gas, electricity & transport.
Smart watches, coffee pods, electric cars & reusable drinking bottles are hardly likely to be high on the list of purchases for those a rise in the cost of living impacts most.
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15/03/2021 12:55:39 34 3
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The CPI list is freely available and includes 700+ items (as the article says) which does indeed include all those items you mentioned, with appropriate weighting for less common items, alongside other factors like rent, DIY, utility bills, council tax, white goods (and their repair costs) etc etc. If you actually look into it, the list of items is a good representation of annual spending.
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15/03/2021 12:55:46 4 9
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Hand weights and smart watches. And they expect us to take the cost of living index seriously.
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Ed
15/03/2021 12:57:26 4 2
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The point is to identify trends among the wider population, not specifically you.
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15/03/2021 12:58:01 5 1
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It would be hard to take seriously if you arbitrarily excluded items people are buying
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15/03/2021 12:47:34 51 24
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It beggars belief that these studies fail to include the 'real cost of living' such as mortgages, rent, council tax, car tax, insurance all of which are tangible and relevant to the cost of our lives.
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15/03/2021 12:55:54 7 1
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CPIH I think includes housing costs (the H in CPIH)
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It's called media suppression. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:58:36 1 5
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No it isn't
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15/03/2021 12:35:26 7 11
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Never liked white chocolate much prefer my chocolate dark.
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xlr
15/03/2021 12:56:32 4 3
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That's because there's no chocolate in white chocolate. It's just the leftover fat from the cocoa bean with a bunch of sugar and a touch of vanilla. Can't say I was much for it either.
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Because they are too scared to open one about the anti-democratic bill being pushed through by the government today. The one that will end freedom of speech in England. Removed
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15/03/2021 12:57:01 6 4
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Round these parts been a spike in ransom payments demanded for kidnapped garden gnomes but tis not reckoned a Cost Of Living. Its gnome laughing matter - if you refuse to pay up then you're likely to find Old Jethro head down in the water feature.