Miles of new bus lanes and more services promised
15/03/2021 | news | business | 1,773
Boris Johnson says a £3bn plan to upgrade England's bus networks will improve access and air quality.
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15/03/2021 10:45:09 30 12
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Too little ,too late !
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15/03/2021 10:45:29 83 13
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So when the UK is already increasing its national debt, when more people are working from home, and when there isn’t enough money to give NHS (and other key, public sector workers) a reasonable pay rise, that’s the time govt want to announce billions going into public transport?
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15/03/2021 11:19:28 45 8
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Just wait for today's Defence Review - that will provide another excuse for not paying our public sector workers properly
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15/03/2021 11:21:32 12 1
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Don't worry, it won't happen. Just more hot air for the front of the Daily Express. We're post-truth and post-accountability.
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15/03/2021 11:53:49 5 8
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If you want to criticise the pittance announced today, then you're going to be livid about the tens of billions they spend annually subsidising the private motorist.
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15/03/2021 12:48:17 3 4
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'When more people are working from home' Q. How long do you think that will last ? If you can work from home, then your job can be outsourced to a third world employee who's paid a fraction of your wage, and without all your expensive T&C's H&S, Employee Benefits...........
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15/03/2021 10:45:51 306 17
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4,000 more green buses in the next 3 years. Won't happen. But no surprise that it's being announced. There is a climate conference this year and talk is cheap.
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15/03/2021 10:57:44 30 158
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I assume you'll be selling your car, have never driven a car, have never been in a car, and will buy a bike?
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15/03/2021 11:41:53 19 10
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Your local council will need to raise your council tax by 5 percent to pay for the infrastructure changed required. If they don't do this then they get none of the new money, which itself is less than the Tory cuts to the bus services made in the last ten years.

Never trust a Tory, when will you lot learn.

It's a tax hike to pay for Tory austerity failures.
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15/03/2021 12:03:20 4 3
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The green buses should arrive - TfL has electric, hydrogen and hybrid buses on its networks so the designs and ability to construct are there already, and 4000 buses isn't a lot. Note that after the bus cost, the biggest cost is the driver - so in the longer term lower-passenger routes need smaller, self-driving, buses (but this may be a while off, and passenger safety concerns without a driver).
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15/03/2021 12:43:31 3 2
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As you say it is just headline grabbing and when put into the context of how much money the Tories have given to their mates in CV19 contracts you can see £3 billion is peanuts and will hardly make a difference.
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15/03/2021 12:54:06 4 4
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You've forgotten the local elections in May! Got to find something nice with which to butter up the voters!
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15/03/2021 12:56:24 3 2
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They are being made in China at this moment.
15/03/2021 13:56:58 4 2
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My old neighbour works on the buses in a London bus garage

He tells me that at the back of his garage, there is a mountain of batteries that have been pulled out of the new 'all singing, all dancing eco friendly hybrid buses that were promoted by the London Mayor.'

Not the current mayor but the one before that. Boris Johnson.

Hybrids continually break down.
15/03/2021 14:24:14 0 3
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Marvellous, 4000 new busses to transport 2 people at a time at great cost to the tax payer.
15/03/2021 14:57:02 0 1
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They may do if a government minister has a mate who owns a bus building company somewhere on the planet.
16/03/2021 05:36:04 0 0
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They won't be green given the batteries. Trolley buses could be. Trams could be. But whatever we can only afford them if they are made in Britain thus reducing unemployment and providing an industry ready to export
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ken
15/03/2021 10:46:04 5 2
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In our dreams
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15/03/2021 10:46:05 14 3
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Scotland? we are blessed with pothole lanes.
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15/03/2021 10:46:18 289 38
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Lots more bus-lanes, presumably within existing road infrastructure - further constricting non-bus related traffic and increasing their emissions while increasing the number of privately run subsidised practically empty buses on the road with worse emissions than most other traffic.

Sounds like a "cash for the donors" scheme....
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15/03/2021 11:11:43 206 24
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I London bus lanes are now 24 hour and they have built bus stop islands in the middle of the road blocking traffic!

ALL done during lockdown!

One bus stops, everything else stops causing more pollution!

Madness!
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15/03/2021 11:13:25 25 6
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Yup. The last thing our towns & cities need is more bus lanes.

Perhaps it would be better to demolish some of the empty / deserted shops & turn them into car parks (with charge points in every bay).
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15/03/2021 11:16:39 18 9
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List the donors!
You'll find plenty of Labour fingers in those pies, let's talk about Mayor Joe in Liverpool, I reckon Burnham and Khan will head the same way!
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15/03/2021 11:49:58 23 1
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They recently introduced new bus lanes in Chester and have had to revert back because it was done with no new infrastructure and caused chaos even during lockdown where traffic was around 10% of normal. I'm ok with bus lanes but they have to build new infrastructure, there's just not enough room in town and city centres to take a whole lane away from multiple busy commuter routes
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15/03/2021 10:47:23 63 15
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Still waiting for the billions promised for cycling and walking...
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15/03/2021 10:49:51 83 6
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In my local area I have seen a huge investment in this.

Unfortunately, it is almost all misplaced. Bike lanes have been added by removing a lane from dual carriageway, increasing traffic. I have not seen any cyclists on this bike lane and indeed it opens out to a roundabout and is a death trap to switch to the appropriate lane there.
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15/03/2021 10:54:56 11 1
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forget that. The money now has to be spent on "consultants" to organise surveys to decide which bus routes to improve if the gov ever finds the money for that. Our local station was to be re-opened according to our local tory. After the election turned out the council would have to stump up big style for consultants to advise on it first. I guess hse had consultants in mind.
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15/03/2021 11:14:44 1 4
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They don't need billions spending on them.
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15/03/2021 13:14:44 2 3
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Why do you need billions for that? What would you expect a free pair of hill walking boots?
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15/03/2021 10:48:35 28 2
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Oh yes, well our 'shuttle' bus just been axed!
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15/03/2021 10:48:58 11 5
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Our country is going to shi7!!!!
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15/03/2021 11:49:48 3 3
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Got there in 2016, or was it 2010?
15/03/2021 14:54:08 0 1
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1997..
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15/03/2021 10:49:02 582 32
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Just fix the damn potholes. We're meant to drive on the left, not on what's left
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15/03/2021 10:56:31 213 8
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Amen! I'm fed up having to cope with these dangerous roads!
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15/03/2021 11:12:03 24 22
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Well you know Boris and his promises ...
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15/03/2021 11:16:09 38 2
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Lots of the roads round here are worse than having the odd pothole - the whole surface is breaking up, one good frost & there will be no surface left.
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15/03/2021 11:33:41 29 4
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Agreed. France, Spain and Italy have superb roads, compared with ours. A disgrace in a civilised, wealthy country.
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15/03/2021 11:36:01 27 48
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So how is fixing the potholes going to help with combating climate change, reducing social exclusion and helping people who don't have access to their own transport? I think you're responding to the wrong HYS!
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15/03/2021 11:39:44 39 8
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It gets worse than that - a local council need me has installed expensive new speed bumps on a potholed road. So they've got plenty of money to put the humps down but none to fix a few holes? Really? Typical 3rd rater local politicians trying to virtue signal instead of doing the jobs they were elected to do.
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15/03/2021 11:41:32 29 23
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Your local council will need to raise your council tax by 5 percent to pay for the infrastructure changed required. If they don't do this then they get none of the new money, which itself is less than the Tory cuts to the bus services made in the last ten years.

Never trust a Tory, when will you lot learn.

It's a tax hike to pay for Tory austerity failures.
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15/03/2021 11:42:32 16 6
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Lol. Best comment I've read in a while.
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15/03/2021 11:42:45 31 5
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I couldn't agree more. I even spotted one just before an exit on the M25 recently. Also stop removing hard shoulders from motorways, its dangerous. When councils have to spend more in claims than it would cost to repair the potholes you know the transport policy is wrong. I'm surprised politicians ignore this issue as it also effects their beloved cyclists.
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15/03/2021 11:45:05 3 3
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True! Every Sunday, driving home from doing shopping at my local supermarket, I come up a fairly busy road where a van is always parked at the side of potholes, making it a nuisance not to avoid without driving out into the oncoming traffic's lane. Perhaps enforcement should have a word with that van owner as well as fixing the potholes.
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15/03/2021 11:46:27 9 9
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conservative government cut council finances
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15/03/2021 11:48:48 14 2
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ABSOLUTELY!!!!!! They don’t know what to waste their money on next. We PAY for the roads and they are in a SHOCKING state, it’s a disgrace!!
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15/03/2021 11:57:29 8 1
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Roads need to be repaired with asphalt that incorporates recycled plastic. It puts waste to good use, sequesters carbon, and last longer.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20210302-could-plastic-roads-make-for-a-smoother-ride
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15/03/2021 12:08:58 2 6
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Get out of your car! Never mind the potholes
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15/03/2021 12:11:51 1 2
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Don't remember any potholes on the roads in the 1960's at all except after winter time.
and the work was inspected, then passed off before you got paid.
Today fill an hole 1 day and it's a bad again in less than a week.
And try to claim off local council for any damage to ya car, ya car can ya,
They got more moves than a tin of worms
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15/03/2021 12:14:59 2 2
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Neat :)
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15/03/2021 12:31:33 3 1
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There is one in Salford, Bedfordshire which is easily big enough to swallow a moped wheel, and about 200mm deep. the next moped which hits it is coming off, no question. This is simply unacceptable.
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15/03/2021 12:44:53 2 1
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It is just headline grabbing and when put into the context of how much money the Tories have given to their mates in CV19 contracts you can see £3 billion is peanuts and will hardly make a difference.
15/03/2021 13:25:34 0 1
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You're not meant to be driving peasant!

Now get on the bus in the name of being environmentally friendly...

All policy pushing...
15/03/2021 13:53:59 0 1
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Need tax money to do that
15/03/2021 14:11:47 0 1
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You must be in England, the potholes up here got fixed as soon as the snow melted
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15/03/2021 10:49:02 2 2
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Providing they use AI to intelligently monitor and adjust the services, plus consider who and what buses should carry (wheelchairs, prams, bikes, large bags, etc.), it may just work.
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15/03/2021 10:49:04 87 9
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Any sign of my new hospital?
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15/03/2021 11:17:59 96 26
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Any sign of the £350 million per week.....?
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15/03/2021 11:35:12 5 1
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Don't worry. You won't be able to get there by bus anyway.
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15/03/2021 11:58:44 2 2
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There will be 40 of them,remember. ??
15/03/2021 13:45:45 2 4
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New hospitals in Birmingham, Liverpool, and Cumberland currently under construction, ( might be finished, I don't know )....not sure where you live, but Rome wasn't built in a day. These are just hospitals I've physically seen as part of my travels, I'll bet there are more.
15/03/2021 14:55:11 1 1
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I thought they were building loads of those? Surely we weren't mislead!
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15/03/2021 10:49:13 24 8
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Liar, liar pants on fire! We have 2 unreliable services with limited timetables with 1 excluded for Sat / Sun. Also since moving here 25 years ago we have been trying to get train station re-opened which was closed during the Tory decimation of railway service aka BEECHINGS!
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15/03/2021 11:00:01 21 3
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Beeching's cuts were implemented by both Macmillan's Tory government and Wilson's Labour government.
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15/03/2021 12:17:15 3 2
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Please get the facts straight, Tories AND Labour were to blame, at least be even handed in your blame laying.
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15/03/2021 10:49:33 9 2
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Interesting choice of photo’ at the top of the article as it depicts the service which runs between Bude and Truro. There are around six buses in each direction daily with the last departing Bude at around 5.30pm. It will probably be a little while yet before anybody turns up at a bus stop on that particular route without first consulting the timetable - especially after 5.30pm in Bude.
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15/03/2021 10:49:38 173 41
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How Corbyn was ridiculed for his wish to improve public transport and provide bus services for rural locations.
This tory initiative will prove yet another vehicle for the transfer of tax payer's money into the hands of tory funders.
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15/03/2021 10:59:49 92 9
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Quite.

If public transport was provided by publicly owned companies then the initiative would be seen as something other than another privatisation of profit / socialisation of losses initiative.
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Bob
15/03/2021 11:03:30 10 15
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Was he ridiculed for wanting to improve transport, or ridiculed for making fake photographs on trains that got proven wrong by the CCTV? Or also wanting to make everything free with bad costings. Case in point, free broadband. Worked out to 20-something pence per month per household. I don't know what you think your £20-40 internet bill goes towards, but providers aren't making 99% profit margins.
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15/03/2021 11:08:57 7 15
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This may well be Labour policy as realised in a Tory way.

But Corbyn was never a realist and nothing he promised would have happened without massive compromise.
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15/03/2021 11:18:37 7 17
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Which companies?
Usual pathetic anti Tory accusations with no substance.
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15/03/2021 12:35:41 3 1
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Corbyn was never laughed at because of busses,everything else but not buses
15/03/2021 13:27:17 1 1
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Now thats a name I had forgotten Corbyn Independent MP these days
15/03/2021 14:30:49 1 1
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Sure it wasn't because he lives on an allotment and collects man hole covers?
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15/03/2021 10:47:23 63 15
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Still waiting for the billions promised for cycling and walking...
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15/03/2021 10:49:51 83 6
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In my local area I have seen a huge investment in this.

Unfortunately, it is almost all misplaced. Bike lanes have been added by removing a lane from dual carriageway, increasing traffic. I have not seen any cyclists on this bike lane and indeed it opens out to a roundabout and is a death trap to switch to the appropriate lane there.
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15/03/2021 11:39:07 10 2
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Sounds like Bradford's A650....the council reduced it to 2 lanes (so causing added congestion to an already horrendously busy road). Not seen 1 cyclist use it. Clueless!
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15/03/2021 13:11:48 5 1
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Yep. The big problem is Traffic and Planner should NEVER appear in the same sentence (apart from this one of course). I almost never use a dedicated cycle lane because the main road is often better surfaced, unobstructed, more direct and not prone to disappearing at random intervals.
If the 'planners' actually cycled, we'd get better cycle facilities.
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15/03/2021 14:26:45 1 1
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Sounds just like the labour council here have done for decades! we have cyclists on pavements as someone in the council signed off the change of position of a kerb cutting of cyclists instructions: return to the highway and the council ordered the pavement to be 'dressed' so covering the instruction, and causing numerous puddles on pavements. Original cycleway map no longer on BCC website.
15/03/2021 14:54:46 2 1
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People who are against cycle lanes claim never to have seen a cyclist using them. Which is strange as I see quite a few.
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15/03/2021 10:49:52 21 1
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I see...
So the government will be funding the privately owned - with shareholders to keep happy - bus services?
That will keep some people happy - but not most commuters - as a good percentage of the funds will go into the coffers, to pay dividends to the shareholders.
Pitiful.
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15/03/2021 11:07:11 1 12
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You seem to have difficulty understanding private and public ownership.
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15/03/2021 11:33:29 2 1
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Modelled on the rail services????
Where's Grayling?
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15/03/2021 10:49:54 8 2
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I like buses,I have my bus pass. I would like to see more buses owned by the nation for the nation.
There is one problem however.......Due to the fact people want the windows kept closed,they are mobile incubators for germs/virus,s.

I dont know what the answer is TBH
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15/03/2021 10:51:07 9 2
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Open top tour buses for all! That'll sort out the ventilation problem!
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15/03/2021 11:21:34 2 1
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Air recirculation using filters that trap viruses. Should be used from here on in offices, schools, gyms, leisure centres, cinemas, restaurants, cafes, pubs .........
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15/03/2021 11:26:11 1 1
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fur coats and windows open?
Or charabancs again?
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15/03/2021 12:01:50 0 1
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The buses I took last week had a couple of windows left open and a sign under them saying why. I think the resulting gale would have left the germs pretty confused.
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15/03/2021 10:50:22 232 30
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Bus lanes just reduce road capacity.

Cycle lanes have popped up on major 'A' roads in Bradford. I haven't seen a single cyclist on one yet. Commuters don't cycle in Bradford, it's just too hilly. These planners are driven by targets and environmental dogma, not common sense.
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TC
15/03/2021 10:58:44 62 85
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'I haven't seen a single cyclist on one yet' Maybe because they are all working from home???
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Pip
15/03/2021 11:17:42 17 2
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Most cyclists I've seen, prefer the road, rather than some of these rather silly cycle lanes.............?
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mc
15/03/2021 11:13:23 14 6
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same in southampton but chief councillor is a cyclist so he doing it for his benefit
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15/03/2021 11:19:53 19 1
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Bus lanes are a city thing. More visual than useful in confined spaces.

We do need a more joined up network that is affordable to use.

Try getting a bus after 6pm around market towns. A rarity!

There are villages that are expected to be grateful to have a bus calling once a day in each direction. When they are not at a time to be of use to anyone they get pulled through lack of use.
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15/03/2021 11:26:17 10 5
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Not to mention in Bradford, round Pudsey, Thornbury etc, the arterial routes, all the bike lanes are just brand new parking spaces for the locals. I don't mind the hills, but the bike lanes are death traps, full of rusted metal, road sweepings, pedestrians. Those are some of the main reasons cyclists aren't in them.
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15/03/2021 11:36:17 5 4
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Don't worry, soon they will install a counter and then pay people to cycle round in circles so that they can justify their existence. Just like they do in London!
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15/03/2021 12:07:27 12 1
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Exactly the same in West Sussex in Horsham & Chichester. Erected & caused delay after delay; ran for 2 months then taken down because no cyclist used them. Roads are now back to freeflow as it was previously. County Council has not yet published the costs
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15/03/2021 12:46:08 13 2
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Some problems with our cycle lanes
They are not separate paths - like they are is some European countries, just a painted line on the road
They abruptly start and end on busy roads - forcing cyclists to merge into heavy traffic
They allocate the most uneven part of the road to the cyclist (containing drains etc)
No wonder potential cyclists do not use them much
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15/03/2021 12:49:30 2 1
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Common sense is not currently a requirement as a town planner! Purely the desire to 'hit those dirty, polluting, car owners'.
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15/03/2021 12:56:02 1 1
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Oh, surely not?! I've just had a message that local transport is planned from census data....
15/03/2021 13:26:10 2 2
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Same in Derby, a few major roads into the city have had temp cycle lanes erected using plastic fencing narrowing the road. I have used that route both in car, on foot and on buses throughout many parts of last year - on weekdays, and weekends ... saw a total of 6 cyclists over a 4 month period use the cycle lanes - most either use the road (!!) OR use the footpath which is about 2.5m wide!
15/03/2021 14:48:21 0 1
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They should try an electric bike! Mind you, would you cycle in the winter? I did when I was young but only because I had no choice.
15/03/2021 14:58:46 0 2
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Bus lanes don't reduce total passenger capacity. They can reduce the number of cars but one bus can carry lots of people so reducing cars off the road. 50 people on a bus could be up to 50 less cars.
And if by 'environmental dogma' you mean caring for the environment then that's good isn't it?
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I like buses,I have my bus pass. I would like to see more buses owned by the nation for the nation.
There is one problem however.......Due to the fact people want the windows kept closed,they are mobile incubators for germs/virus,s.

I dont know what the answer is TBH
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15/03/2021 10:51:07 9 2
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Open top tour buses for all! That'll sort out the ventilation problem!
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15/03/2021 11:21:54 1 1
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Thus upping brolly sales.
tory party policy for decades has been to penalise bus users. Why the sudden u-turn? Anything to distract from police attacking women who hold a vigil after a police officer allegedly murdered another woman? Removed
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15/03/2021 10:57:18 2 2
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You see, you can conflate 2 completely separate topics if you really try hard enough. Ridiculous.
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15/03/2021 11:00:25 0 2
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How can it have been tory policy for decades, when they haven't been in continuous power for decades. I don't recall a bus user utopia under Labour either.
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15/03/2021 11:20:14 1 1
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No, they are after votes.
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15/03/2021 10:51:47 5 4
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"Margaret Thatcher once said anyone on a bus over the age of 25 is a failure,”

Jeremy Corbyn, 25 April 2019

https://fullfact.org/news/margaret-thatcher-bus/
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15/03/2021 10:53:48 1 1
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Or drink?
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15/03/2021 11:19:53 0 1
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Not Thatcher. But something that too many people believe.
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15/03/2021 10:44:29 1 1
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The problem with buses in the UK is that they will never be cost effective. In a lot of tropical countries there are large numbers of mini buses that are popular and the drivers can earn a good living. In the UK buses outside of city centres are just not used enough to make a profit.
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15/03/2021 11:18:21 2 2
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This is why it is inefficient and irrational to have bus services that are run by for-profit companies. Transport is an essential service, and needs to be run by not-for-profit enterprises, with subsidies where needed.
Notice the BBC will have a HYS on something like this and anything a gov says on services will always be subjective... but not a HYS on the sat night vigil, thought they liked the gov bashing, suspect they won’t like the answers. Removed
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15/03/2021 10:53:33 8 2
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Will not make much difference to rural areas - those that need it most.
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GW
15/03/2021 10:57:28 0 8
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Move to urban areas rural over subsidised so the rich can have cheap services
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15/03/2021 10:53:38 4 2
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Tell Liverpool council who scrapped bus lanes and stopped buses going to the business part of town where thousands work . They say to encourage walking but in reality have widened pavements around pubs, clubs and restaurants to create a 'cafe culture'. Walk an extra mile to work in rain but for 6 months of year can drink outside.
Elderly and disabled effectively have reduced access to city centre
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15/03/2021 11:16:43 0 1
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The power of the booze, eaterie and leisure industries, versus not enough of the population caring enough to take up their right to take part in UK and local democracy.
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15/03/2021 10:53:40 4 1
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I could use the out of town park and ride to get to the mainline station. BUT the service does not run in time for me to get a 7am train. When it does it goes around the town and takes 30 minutes to get me there when I could drive the distance directly in five. So I drive and park on the station car park. It's still park and ride I guess.
Whatever you do, don’t protest. The police will either kneel if you’re black or prone and cuff you if you’re white. Removed
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15/03/2021 10:54:53 1 2
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Didn't see that happening with the rangers and Liverpool supporters of late.
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"Margaret Thatcher once said anyone on a bus over the age of 25 is a failure,”

Jeremy Corbyn, 25 April 2019

https://fullfact.org/news/margaret-thatcher-bus/
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15/03/2021 10:53:48 1 1
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Or drink?
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15/03/2021 10:53:55 365 13
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I live 17 miles from my office which is in the centre of Leeds.

I can drive door to door in 20 minutes (45 in rush hour).
The train takes 1 hour door to door.
The bus (which stops outside my house) takes 1.5 hours.

Journey time is too long. I won't catch the bus no matter how frequent they are.
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15/03/2021 10:59:56 229 8
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Public transport is outside of a few big cities almost always an expensive, inconvenient and impractical alternative to private cars. Most medium and long distances journeys take twice as long from my home by train or bus than by car
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15/03/2021 11:00:21 18 51
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Fortunately national level decisions are not based on individual anecdotes but rather for the majority
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15/03/2021 11:14:56 4 24
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Not working from home?
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15/03/2021 11:18:24 6 14
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I used to work 20 miles from home. Could cycle it in about 1 hour so but much longer than your road commute. Far cheaper and you feel much better for it
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15/03/2021 11:21:42 33 6
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As always: these are plans that revolve around the experiences of the London elite.

You rightly point out that for peope trying to earn a living in the real world, cattle truck public transport is not an option - let alone desirable.

(For me ... car: 23 minutes. Multiple Buses + walking: 1hr 29min)
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15/03/2021 11:28:58 3 39
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Move close to where you work.
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Alf
15/03/2021 11:36:41 18 1
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Not to mention that it's just more comfortable and convenient to drive.
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15/03/2021 11:44:36 10 1
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To be fair, Leeds seriously needs some kind of metro or tram system. Any city in France or Germany of a similar size has one.
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djf
15/03/2021 11:44:39 7 1
bbc
The bus that stops outside my house doesn't start running until 9.30am. Not much use to workers commuting. And it takes nearly an hour to go 3 miles into the town center.
436
15/03/2021 11:50:52 7 20
bbc
That is your own fault for living so far from work. I chose my first flat because it was within cycling distance. Cycled to work all my life never owned or driven a car. Retired early by not spending stupidly! While workmates bought further out fancier homes and lost a fortune commuting. Life is choices.
549
15/03/2021 12:07:47 1 16
bbc
Move into Leeds or take a job closer to home. Doesn't pay enough for central Leeds? Get a better paid job.
737
15/03/2021 12:30:56 1 2
bbc
I walk to mine - the roads are so bad it's quicker to walk the 3 miles than drive
820
15/03/2021 12:44:28 3 3
bbc
It is just headline grabbing and when put into the context of how much money the Tories have given to their mates in CV19 contracts you can see £3 billion is peanuts and will hardly make a difference.
VoR
15/03/2021 13:22:23 0 1
bbc
I don't even have the option of a bus, and that's 15 mins drive from Ringwood. Nearest bus stop that has any buses is probably about 2 miles away (cross country), and 3 by road. Services have just been getting cut back.

I'd probably only use them to go to the pubs in the local town (otherwise I'd drive), but a lot of the local population are v elderly and arguably need a bus service.
15/03/2021 13:35:28 1 1
bbc
I should add that, in fairness to Leeds are spending millions on huge new Park and Ride hubs all around Leeds, and new cycle lanes everywhere, to reduce the number of people in cars coming into the city where in all honesty, you can't move.. Some other councils must be doing likewise. So they're doing the right thing, it just needs the public to get on board and utilise it for it to work.
15/03/2021 13:55:26 4 1
bbc
Similar issue here - I live 6 miles from Bristol City Centre.
I can drive there in 20 minutes.
The bus (twice an hour) is a 30 min walk from my home, then a 45 minute ride (£4.50 one way last time I checked).
Park & Ride - 15 minutes to drive there, another 30 minutes on the bus and the added cost.

Thankfully my car is new enough to escape the incoming clean air charge.
15/03/2021 14:27:32 0 1
bbc
Agreed, even my sons bus to college takes 45 minutes when it is 20 minutes to drive, and that is without the 20 minute walk to / from the bus stop. Mind you a more frequent service that didn't mean him having to get to college up to 1.5 hours before his lessons start or hang about for 40 minutes to come home might make it more manageable.
15/03/2021 14:48:02 1 1
bbc
Watch those driving times go up when the new bus lanes are put in place
15/03/2021 14:53:07 0 1
bbc
Have you tried cycling?
15/03/2021 18:28:44 0 1
bbc
My office is also in the centre of Leeds, 47 miles from home. By car (needed to do a few times) it's taken half the time of train - but why waste over 2hrs/day sat at the wheel when I can get exercise, time to do work and a less stressful journey? It's greener plus parking and fuel alone are close to train fare. Your 45min journey would be longer if it wasn't for others taking public transport.
16/03/2021 09:25:47 0 0
bbc
All about you?
Take the train, stop contributing to the congestion, and save the planet
16/03/2021 14:13:17 0 0
bbc
Yeah but you're a pleb like the rest of us and your time is of no value to your pet owners, ahem, leaders.....thats it yeah, leaders
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GW
15/03/2021 10:54:02 88 28
bbc
Tories ruined bus travel now they want to keep private travel for the rich and powerful
51
15/03/2021 10:58:28 64 13
bbc
Totally agree, the rich in their electric cars and everyone else by bus.
15/03/2021 15:42:47 0 1
bbc
Absolutely now where can I park the Bentley
32
15/03/2021 10:54:46 503 11
bbc
Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "Buses are this country's favourite way of getting around.“

Errr... what? In what parallel universe does this man live in?!

Does he have a different definition of “favourite” to everyone else?
91
15/03/2021 11:02:20 204 10
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Maybe in London.
206
15/03/2021 11:17:35 46 2
bbc
Has he ever been on a bus?
336
15/03/2021 11:38:13 16 2
bbc
Is there a bus stop outside 10 Downing Street? No.
428
15/03/2021 11:49:56 7 1
bbc
He certainly does have a different definition, he has his private pilots licence and flies everywhere, so no potholes or being stuck behind buses for him
490
15/03/2021 11:59:23 1 1
bbc
I bet he never used a bus
542
15/03/2021 12:06:09 10 1
bbc
Yeah! and the ONLY bus he’s ever been on in his life was the Fake £350 million NHS one
548
15/03/2021 12:07:35 3 1
bbc
Like anyone believes anything Grant Shapps says. He doesn't believe what he says either.
596
15/03/2021 12:16:14 4 2
bbc
tory - different definition of everything.
646
15/03/2021 12:20:25 2 1
bbc
Certainly not in rural areas & small towns where in many local authority areas they have been complicit in forcing out small locally based operators where school contracts supported local routes through the day
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xlr
15/03/2021 12:29:24 2 2
bbc
He meant favoured, not favourite.

Buses are essential for the lower paid who make up most of the economy, but nobody gets them by choice.
782
15/03/2021 12:37:02 0 3
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What Chaps meant was many have no choice in the matter , but he is a TORY THERFORE AN ABSOLUTE LIAR !
788
15/03/2021 12:38:46 1 2
bbc
Hate the things, a tube full of sneezing, ball-scratching mouth breathers... when you catch a bus that's not all you catch!
812
15/03/2021 12:43:26 1 1
bbc
Even in a reasonable size city like milton keynes, not one of my regular journeys are even remotely viable by bus. (not that I'd want to be on one of those mobile petri dishes anyway) My journey to work by bus would take over an hour and 28 miles, releasing almost three times the pollution than the 12 minuets and 9 miles it takes on a motorcycle (the cleanest way possible)
828
15/03/2021 12:45:04 2 1
bbc
It is just headline grabbing and when put into the context of how much money the Tories have given to their mates in CV19 contracts you can see £3 billion is peanuts and will hardly make a difference.
979
15/03/2021 13:17:37 1 1
bbc
What busses? Does he mean the little empty one that goes through our village twice a day at inconvenient times in each direction not going to anywhere the locals want to go?
15/03/2021 13:20:58 1 1
bbc
hes a metropolitan Thinks everyone lives the same

I havent travelled by bus since I was a teenager and nothing including wild horses will get me on them again
15/03/2021 13:48:35 0 1
bbc
Yes he will be talking about London.
When thay talk about Britain, they mean London.
15/03/2021 14:46:28 0 1
bbc
He's probably thinking back to the times when you could sit upstairs and have a fag. In the good old days when you didn't need a tenner to get on the bus and anyway you really had no choice other than walking.
JPK
15/03/2021 16:51:49 0 1
bbc
He meant to say "Buses are this government's favourite way of getting around awkward questions about the failing transport infrastructure" but it just came out wrong.
15/03/2021 17:04:14 0 1
bbc
He needs to get out more.
15/03/2021 22:03:12 0 0
bbc
Oh, it's this universe all right, he's just a bit over half a century behind.
16/03/2021 12:41:29 0 0
bbc
Shapps like JOHNSON,PATEL, GOVE, AND THE REST OF THIS TORY JOKE IS A TOTAL LIAR !
16/03/2021 14:11:52 0 0
bbc
That parallel universe is westminster.

At some point in the future, maybe we can sever their interdimensional portal
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jon
15/03/2021 10:54:50 1 14
bbc
A great investment and fine example of levelling up.
131
15/03/2021 11:06:54 1 1
bbc
Currently The subsidy in London is £7.70 per head of population. Here in Newcastle its 57p per head. When these two figures become equal that will be a fine examp of levelling up. But that will never happen as this government? Creates more hot air than anything tangible.
Whatever you do, don’t protest. The police will either kneel if you’re black or prone and cuff you if you’re white. Removed
34
15/03/2021 10:54:53 1 2
bbc
Didn't see that happening with the rangers and Liverpool supporters of late.
41
15/03/2021 10:56:45 0 1
bbc
Probably because the media didn’t want you to.
49
15/03/2021 10:58:10 0 3
bbc
Did you see the women being flattened by the police at the lockdown protest? Thought not.
7
15/03/2021 10:47:23 63 15
bbc
Still waiting for the billions promised for cycling and walking...
35
15/03/2021 10:54:56 11 1
bbc
forget that. The money now has to be spent on "consultants" to organise surveys to decide which bus routes to improve if the gov ever finds the money for that. Our local station was to be re-opened according to our local tory. After the election turned out the council would have to stump up big style for consultants to advise on it first. I guess hse had consultants in mind.
15/03/2021 14:58:46 1 2
bbc
You need consultants to define the terms of reference for the appointment of the selection committee that will appoint the consultants to produce the draft strategy and then decide which consultants will project manage the implementation. If there is any money left.
36
15/03/2021 10:55:05 185 3
bbc
Busses where I live (rural) are one every 2 hours in the week. None on Sunday. They take over two hours to get to the main town ( only 20 miles away ). Last bus back is about 3:30pm. How do I know this ? - I used it once when my car was getting mot. Its impossible not to have a car out here - This is NOT London! Busses are only useful in cities, or as a last resort.
57
15/03/2021 10:59:33 30 37
bbc
Which is the entire point of this exercise. Not to expect an hourly bus service in rural areas but rather have buses available as an alternative to cars for the majority of people who live in and around cities (55.91m in 2019)
87
15/03/2021 11:01:46 21 1
bbc
Obviously suggested by a single Londoner with no children. Try getting two young children and all their stuff on a bus. And also where I live there are few buses, none on Sunday, and none go where you want to be.
89
15/03/2021 11:02:00 17 1
bbc
I'm rural as well, the looks when you tell a tourist (in normal times) when they ask for the next bus and you say "April, if your lucky." is a picture. We just don't have buses on anything but routes through the main towns. Twice a day in summer if your lucky off main routes but even that has been sketchy the last few years
181
15/03/2021 11:14:04 18 3
bbc
Because services are run by companies that are interested in profits, rather than as an essential public service.
259
Pip
15/03/2021 11:24:36 11 1
bbc
Spot on, and if you can't get on the last bus because it's full, you're really stymied...........?
15/03/2021 13:32:28 6 1
bbc
That's the biggest issue for villagers using buses - the times of those buses to the nearest town or city and the last bus back home. I've seen a few where the first bus on a Saturday is something like 10:15am, getting to destination (shopping, cultural, friends meeting up) at 11:25am and the last bus back leaving town at 2:40pm!! On a Saturday!! Evening events are out by bus!
37
15/03/2021 10:56:04 8 1
bbc
this is a department of transport con, the bus services in the UK are appalling outside of the cities no bus company wants routes that are loss makers.
just look at history repeating itself EARNEST MARPLES the man who ruined the transport industry in the UK at the cost of the railway.
175
15/03/2021 11:13:06 4 2
bbc
Absolutely. Bus services should not be owned and run locally by not-for-profit enterprises, with subsidies where necessary.
38
15/03/2021 10:56:31 93 28
bbc
This government loves a massive promise doesn’t it?

I remember them saying;

- we’d lose 40% of our EU Exports
- 3 weeks to flatten the curve
- world beating track and trace

This government has lied more than any other during my lifetime - absolute whoppers that anyone with half a brain can see through
168
15/03/2021 11:12:02 86 17
bbc
Weirdly, a substantial proportion of the electorate simply does not care about the blatant lying. Thus supporting the attack on democracy.
640
15/03/2021 12:19:47 1 3
bbc
No lies there.
944
15/03/2021 13:09:59 4 4
bbc
As you clearly know better than all governments past and present, why not take up politics and do something about it then?
15/03/2021 15:41:59 0 2
bbc
And we could have had corbyn god help us
16/03/2021 10:06:52 0 0
bbc
You must have been born just before 1997.
39
15/03/2021 10:56:41 219 14
bbc
How is this going to help outside London.

People don't use busses as they:
- Don't go where you need (London is the exception which has a massive network, sustained by lots of people)
- Take far more time
- Typically more polluting than cars due to the above.

If you don't work in the town centre and live in that town, then they are almost useless for commuting.

So bus lanes are unwanted
156
15/03/2021 11:10:49 50 29
bbc
Working from home has to continue, but buses are needed not just for commuting.
444
15/03/2021 11:52:21 1 6
bbc
So you're saying we shouldn't try to provide a decent bus service?
585
15/03/2021 12:14:32 10 1
bbc
And London has turn-up-and-go, hop-on, hop-off, cheap bus journeys. £1.55 and you can change buses within an hour. That's why people use them more. You don't have one bus a day in each direction. It doesn't cost £3+ a journey. And other places don't have such a well defined and interconnected central business area as London.
728
15/03/2021 12:29:59 6 7
bbc
Is this the same political party that removed subsidy from Transport for London & was on the verge of failing to support it in Covid as sour grapes of loosing London to Labour
15/03/2021 13:51:49 5 1
bbc
No more bus lanes. Please.

All they do is make traffic worse, & in turn, pollution.

There is a bus that goes past my house, small suburban road. 1 an hour in each direction. 80% of them are empty. Yet they trundle past spewing out black fumes and making a racket. To get a bus to the top 5 places I drive to, all within 5 miles, would mean 3 changes of bus & 60-90mins vs 10 mins in car.
15/03/2021 19:47:40 0 1
bbc
If you bothered to read the article, you'll see the new busses will be non polluting. I presume your name relates to your IQ?
40
15/03/2021 10:56:45 115 2
bbc
Great in theory but I live in a town of 30,000 and more houses going up weekly. The bus service is pathetic and doesn't connect to major nearby towns, stops at 7pm and doesn't run at weekends. Serious investment and marketing would be required to get people to switch from their cars. It will also need to coordinate with train times etc to be effective.
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CJ
15/03/2021 11:01:11 44 1
bbc
Sounds familiar.
150
15/03/2021 11:10:09 4 1
bbc
Bus timetables, in the days when the Middle Way held sway, did usually coordinate with train timetables to the best of abilities.
664
15/03/2021 12:22:46 1 1
bbc
The stopping at 7pm thing is the most insane part. It affects the night time economy in the destination towns, because people can't get home after their meal and pints. So they either don't go out, or they drive and don't drink (or drink drive). Obviously these community local pubs were turned into shops or houses years ago as well, so you have growing, dry, dormitory towns.
15/03/2021 14:21:53 0 1
bbc
West Midlands Passenger Transport was co-ordinating bus & train services. BR had to bring in extra trains to cope with demand. Then Margaret Thatcher's government privatised bus services & you couldn't guarantee your ticket would work between weekends & weekdays.
15/03/2021 14:46:46 1 1
bbc
That’s the problem with these huge housing developments. They are just dormitory towns and villages. Not just transport links are missing but much of the other info-structure is missing like shops, schools and doctors.
34
15/03/2021 10:54:53 1 2
bbc
Didn't see that happening with the rangers and Liverpool supporters of late.
41
15/03/2021 10:56:45 0 1
bbc
Probably because the media didn’t want you to.
tory party policy for decades has been to penalise bus users. Why the sudden u-turn? Anything to distract from police attacking women who hold a vigil after a police officer allegedly murdered another woman? Removed
42
15/03/2021 10:57:18 2 2
bbc
You see, you can conflate 2 completely separate topics if you really try hard enough. Ridiculous.
25
15/03/2021 10:53:33 8 2
bbc
Will not make much difference to rural areas - those that need it most.
43
GW
15/03/2021 10:57:28 0 8
bbc
Move to urban areas rural over subsidised so the rich can have cheap services
758
Bob
15/03/2021 12:34:30 0 1
bbc
Absolute nonsense...do some proper research...
44
15/03/2021 10:57:31 61 7
bbc
Multi-modal transport here we come! I am feeling the same whiplash on my neck as I am with global Britiain, the airport in the Thames, Garden Bridge, Bridge to Northern Ireland HS2 and HS3. The only thing that seems to happen at speed with Government is flogging off public assets and then spending even more subsiding private companies that have run down the service and robbed the pension fund.
145
15/03/2021 11:09:07 42 2
bbc
Asset stripping the UK, sucking up taxpayers' contributins, before fleeing to safe havens?
15/03/2021 13:39:24 0 2
bbc
Which public assets has this government sold off?
45
15/03/2021 10:57:32 25 3
bbc
Similar to Corbyn's and the Green Party's ideas at the last General Election that the Tory's chums Daily Mail didn't print. Must be local elections coming up.
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DG
15/03/2021 10:57:54 21 8
bbc
Bus lanes cause standing traffic and therefore increase pollution. Very bad move and a waste of money since MOST people will not change their car for the bus, not now, not ever.
137
15/03/2021 11:08:15 4 1
bbc
Buses should not just be capable of zero emissions at the exhaust, as the legislation puts it. They should be totally electric or lpg, and use white noise not shrieking beeping noise pollution, to avoid accidents.
47
15/03/2021 10:58:03 20 1
bbc
Maybe they could actually spend some money on repairing our roads that are more and more looking like they belong in some kind of third country/ war zone.

Literally feels like a driving on a cross country course with all the potholes that are either not repaired or just filled in badly by low skilled contractors who know they'll be back in 6 months to be paid to do the same job badly again.
161
15/03/2021 11:02:58 1 3
bbc
Repair roads?
Forgetaboutit.
Just buy a 4X4. Potholes? No problem
48
15/03/2021 10:58:04 4 5
bbc
It might seem short-sighted, but just remember that petrol and diesel cars are being phased out slowly, so in 20 years time people will be walking/cycling/bussing more. Not everyone has the money or charging facilities for electric cars (which aren't any greener anyway)
100
15/03/2021 11:03:30 3 1
bbc
Highly unlikely because it 20 years time electric cars will be mass produced and cheaper.
125
15/03/2021 11:06:04 0 1
bbc
Electric & lpg vehicles are at least much less polluting, less noise, less air pollution. The extent of damage to health from noise and air pollution is becoming more apparent.
34
15/03/2021 10:54:53 1 2
bbc
Didn't see that happening with the rangers and Liverpool supporters of late.
49
15/03/2021 10:58:10 0 3
bbc
Did you see the women being flattened by the police at the lockdown protest? Thought not.
50
15/03/2021 10:46:37 2 2
bbc
Just in time for all those millions of people forking from home who won’t need them.
90
15/03/2021 11:02:01 2 1
bbc
forking?
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GW
15/03/2021 10:54:02 88 28
bbc
Tories ruined bus travel now they want to keep private travel for the rich and powerful
51
15/03/2021 10:58:28 64 13
bbc
Totally agree, the rich in their electric cars and everyone else by bus.
861
15/03/2021 12:51:13 0 3
bbc
You are quite right and under any other party it would all be happening a lot faster. Let's not forget it was Labour who started all of this, Labour councils who do more of it than anyone else and Labour who will soon be saying this is not enough and not fast enough. Which party was it that suspended Labour's annual road fuel tax rise? That would be the cons.
15/03/2021 13:43:47 0 2
bbc
Isn't that like Animal Farm, USSR, China under the old guard and Nth Korea now? I think it's called authoritarian government .. happening here bit by bit at the voters behest!
52
15/03/2021 10:58:36 7 1
bbc
"so-called enhanced partnerships that will see local authorities agree to make improvements to infrastructure in return for better services from bus companies. "

Ah, the classic Party of the Rich money-recycling scheme.

Create a catchy headline with a random number in it and then get councils to deliver on it. With no extra cash whatsoever.
53
15/03/2021 10:58:42 20 2
bbc
Might work for cities but useless for rural communities. Where my sister-in-law lives she has 2 buses per day to local main town. .............. They will need an awful lot of new busses to make it "turn up and go".
109
15/03/2021 11:04:26 9 3
bbc
Two buses per day in a rural area is a Good Thing, as very many rural areas had their bus services cut out completely years ago. And so many of the less busy railway routes were cut completely decades ago by Beeching, so as to develop the roads and car industries better. We need to restore transport communications between rural locations, & between them & towns, using non-polluting vehicles.
19
15/03/2021 10:50:22 232 30
bbc
Bus lanes just reduce road capacity.

Cycle lanes have popped up on major 'A' roads in Bradford. I haven't seen a single cyclist on one yet. Commuters don't cycle in Bradford, it's just too hilly. These planners are driven by targets and environmental dogma, not common sense.
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TC
15/03/2021 10:58:44 62 85
bbc
'I haven't seen a single cyclist on one yet' Maybe because they are all working from home???
171
15/03/2021 11:12:30 11 4
bbc
You believe that the only reason people cycle is to commute to work?
174
15/03/2021 11:13:06 8 8
bbc
Cyclists working????
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sw
15/03/2021 11:15:02 19 9
bbc
In my experience, cyclists dangerously use the pavements, not the cycle lanes next to the pavements. They even use the pavements when there are no motor vehicles around.
15/03/2021 15:38:17 0 1
bbc
Or because it's grim up North. Every time I've had the pleasure of Bradford it's hammering it down.
15/03/2021 16:31:55 0 1
bbc
Have you ever been to Bradford TC. There are so few cyclists because the standard of driving is appalling and it isn't safe to cycle, a cycle lane means nothing there, it's just another line to go across lol.
55
15/03/2021 10:58:46 9 3
bbc
Can we have a "Boris Bus" with a funny face painted on the side?
64
15/03/2021 11:00:01 1 3
bbc
RED! BORIS YELTSIN
123
15/03/2021 11:00:14 4 2
bbc
We had one in 2016, the 350m a week NHS bus of LIES
279
15/03/2021 11:29:23 0 2
bbc
Cardboard?
56
15/03/2021 10:59:02 5 6
bbc
MORE BULL **** LOCK DOWN BUS ROUTES HA HA HA! C.TAX UP AGAIN! BOZO WILL BE SELLING YOU SHININE BEEDS NEXT! GREAT LAUGH TO THE EL MONDO! BACK FROM THE FOOD BANK YET?
36
15/03/2021 10:55:05 185 3
bbc
Busses where I live (rural) are one every 2 hours in the week. None on Sunday. They take over two hours to get to the main town ( only 20 miles away ). Last bus back is about 3:30pm. How do I know this ? - I used it once when my car was getting mot. Its impossible not to have a car out here - This is NOT London! Busses are only useful in cities, or as a last resort.
57
15/03/2021 10:59:33 30 37
bbc
Which is the entire point of this exercise. Not to expect an hourly bus service in rural areas but rather have buses available as an alternative to cars for the majority of people who live in and around cities (55.91m in 2019)
315
15/03/2021 11:34:48 10 1
bbc
So buses every 20 minutes for 4 people to use?
15/03/2021 14:26:00 1 1
bbc
I live in a large Tien. The buses travel round all day with few people in them, frequently empty, belching out noxious black fumes.
Buses are not a solution anyone wants, they are yesterday's transport
58
15/03/2021 10:53:08 116 7
bbc
Government: "We're pumping millions into some new blah blah blah scheme to make us look good..."

Us: "How about spending the money resurfacing our roads that are potholed the point of being dangerous and have areas that contain more repair patches than original road!"
15/03/2021 13:37:44 31 2
bbc
Bring back the Romans! They knew how to build and maintain roads. :-)
15/03/2021 14:51:03 2 1
bbc
Driving in Greater Manchester these days is more like off-roading
59
15/03/2021 10:53:43 26 4
bbc
"Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "Buses are this country's favourite way of getting around."

I doubt he or many other politicians, certainly those outside of London, travel on buses very much!

I think buses are #cringe
60
15/03/2021 10:59:40 1 1
bbc
Take a bus, a taxi or walk home in the dark....?
15
15/03/2021 10:49:38 173 41
bbc
How Corbyn was ridiculed for his wish to improve public transport and provide bus services for rural locations.
This tory initiative will prove yet another vehicle for the transfer of tax payer's money into the hands of tory funders.
61
15/03/2021 10:59:49 92 9
bbc
Quite.

If public transport was provided by publicly owned companies then the initiative would be seen as something other than another privatisation of profit / socialisation of losses initiative.
15/03/2021 14:30:31 1 3
bbc
If public transport was nationalised it wouldn't work at all.
15/03/2021 15:47:27 0 1
bbc
You're living in cloud cuckoo land The reason there was no investment when in the Public Sector was that there's always another deserving cause to spend the money Classic was a programme about the Kent line where a secretary worked in London just after the war & was asked 40 years later what differences had she noticed in the time her reply none she was still travelling in the same carriages!!
62
15/03/2021 10:59:52 24 1
bbc
I drive and park near the train station to commute into London. Bus is unreliable particularly in the afternoon/evening plus expensive. My bus journey distance is less than 3 miles but I prefer to pay a few pounds more for parking, this way I know I can get home quicker to my kids rather than waiting for busses that don't turn up.
30
15/03/2021 10:53:55 365 13
bbc
I live 17 miles from my office which is in the centre of Leeds.

I can drive door to door in 20 minutes (45 in rush hour).
The train takes 1 hour door to door.
The bus (which stops outside my house) takes 1.5 hours.

Journey time is too long. I won't catch the bus no matter how frequent they are.
63
15/03/2021 10:59:56 229 8
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Public transport is outside of a few big cities almost always an expensive, inconvenient and impractical alternative to private cars. Most medium and long distances journeys take twice as long from my home by train or bus than by car
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15/03/2021 11:11:51 39 2
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I agree that in rural areas there is no alternative. Here the first bus in the morning leaves too late to get to a place of work and the last one back leaves too early.
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Pip
15/03/2021 11:20:49 10 7
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Trouble is, time saved driving is often spent looking for somewhere affordable to park.............?
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15/03/2021 12:37:14 4 1
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If I am going straight into the centre it isn't bad. I am lucky enough to be on a main route with a frequent service. If I want to go anywhere other then the centre or somewhere en-route it involve changes and takes ages. For those not on a main route into the city it can be very patchy or involve walking over a mile to one of the main routes.
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15/03/2021 10:58:46 9 3
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Can we have a "Boris Bus" with a funny face painted on the side?
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15/03/2021 11:00:01 1 3
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RED! BORIS YELTSIN
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15/03/2021 11:00:01 19 2
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TfL used lockdown 1 to rush out a scheme removing bus lanes in favour of cycle lanes. Now we have two lane roads where the left is only for cyclists with very few using it, and the bus stop ejected from the curb into the right lane. When the bus stops all traffic stops, on a two lane road.
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PCS
15/03/2021 10:49:13 24 8
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Liar, liar pants on fire! We have 2 unreliable services with limited timetables with 1 excluded for Sat / Sun. Also since moving here 25 years ago we have been trying to get train station re-opened which was closed during the Tory decimation of railway service aka BEECHINGS!
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15/03/2021 11:00:01 21 3
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Beeching's cuts were implemented by both Macmillan's Tory government and Wilson's Labour government.
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CJ
15/03/2021 11:00:06 6 1
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A proper joined up writing approach with universal bus tickets available on every bus co's. service. Hang on that is against the privatization competition idea of the 80's!
A bus every 5 to10 min would be good. Currently 4 a day where I am. Not a small town. Has reasonably full shopping streets. Has cinema and many restaurants.
Has business parks. Lots of offices too. However, pants buses!
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15/03/2021 11:07:46 0 1
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And a bus every 5 to 20 mins would run empty most of the time.
Everyone seems to want a Victorian system with engines rather than horses. That lifestyle has gone in afraid, outside the box thinking is needed, e.g. your own AI pod that slides on to a rail network and goes home without you?
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15/03/2021 11:00:08 6 1
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The Road to nowhere !
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15/03/2021 10:53:55 365 13
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I live 17 miles from my office which is in the centre of Leeds.

I can drive door to door in 20 minutes (45 in rush hour).
The train takes 1 hour door to door.
The bus (which stops outside my house) takes 1.5 hours.

Journey time is too long. I won't catch the bus no matter how frequent they are.
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15/03/2021 11:00:21 18 51
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Fortunately national level decisions are not based on individual anecdotes but rather for the majority
15/03/2021 16:26:56 1 1
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Unfortunately these decisions are not based on any data.... rather politicians make what they hope is a popular decision, to buy votes, and then ask for data to be selected that supports it.
Just look at the business case, or lack thereof, for HS2.... it fails to mention criteria that would make the project unviable... precisely because they'd already decided to do it regardless.
15/03/2021 17:31:58 0 1
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Not always. The COVID vaccination program is focussed on minorities.
tory party policy for decades has been to penalise bus users. Why the sudden u-turn? Anything to distract from police attacking women who hold a vigil after a police officer allegedly murdered another woman? Removed
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15/03/2021 11:00:25 0 2
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How can it have been tory policy for decades, when they haven't been in continuous power for decades. I don't recall a bus user utopia under Labour either.
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15/03/2021 11:00:26 3 3
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Having destroyed public transport they now want to save it.
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15/03/2021 11:00:28 4 1
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On the same day there are two reports, this item and increased defence spending. Where is the money coming from to fund these items together with the existing long list of spending promises from Boris ?
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15/03/2021 11:00:30 3 1
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Bus W**nkers

Copyright Inbetweeners
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15/03/2021 11:00:35 2 4
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Where's the HYS on the covid vaccine issues?

AZ - 2 or 3 deaths and a few blood clots from batch made outside UK
Phzer - 23 deaths? in Norway, and 10 deaths? in Germany
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15/03/2021 11:03:36 2 2
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The BBC cherry pick. Anything racial or anti COVID/lockdown is a no-no.
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15/03/2021 11:05:03 0 1
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The deaths and blood clots from AZ are below what you'd expect in the populous anyway, nothing to see here.
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15/03/2021 11:00:54 171 2
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The Department of Transport is promising services that are so frequent passengers will be able to "turn up and go".

This is obviously not going to be the case so why do they always massively over sell their promises.
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15/03/2021 11:17:21 104 29
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That's because promises don't mean anything to the Johnson government. Promises and trust are hardly his strong points are they?
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15/03/2021 11:42:18 9 6
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Your local council will need to raise your council tax by 5 percent to pay for the infrastructure changed required. If they don't do this then they get none of the new money, which itself is less than the Tory cuts to the bus services made in the last ten years.

Never trust a Tory, when will you lot learn.

It's a tax hike to pay for Tory austerity failures.
15/03/2021 14:18:10 2 1
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They say that because gullible people believe it.
15/03/2021 14:41:50 1 1
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Correct, just like the 30000 nurses Bo Jo and Co promised....... Green washing at its finest
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15/03/2021 11:01:00 27 2
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I hope these are new bus and cycle lanes not pinching congested lanes off the current roads.

People don't use busses, because they are slower, unhygienic and don't tend to run door to door.
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15/03/2021 11:01:03 9 1
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While private for profit companies run services for the benefit of shareholders, it'll never be a universal service for passengers
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15/03/2021 11:05:41 4 1
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Yep, there is a reason why buses are called public service....
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15/03/2021 11:01:09 7 3
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Another bold Boris promise.
Bus services outside the major cities are totally inadequate.
Rural communities have been completely abandoned.
Tory London-centric nonsense -again
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15/03/2021 10:56:45 115 2
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Great in theory but I live in a town of 30,000 and more houses going up weekly. The bus service is pathetic and doesn't connect to major nearby towns, stops at 7pm and doesn't run at weekends. Serious investment and marketing would be required to get people to switch from their cars. It will also need to coordinate with train times etc to be effective.
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CJ
15/03/2021 11:01:11 44 1
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Sounds familiar.
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15/03/2021 11:01:28 1 2
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Want busways, not bus lanes which cause congestion and pollution. E.g. might be easier to convert disused rail lines to a busway than a train service.
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15/03/2021 11:01:30 21 1
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"Turn up and go" ! I can hardly wait.
Here in Northumberland we are poorly served by Arriva. They are only interested in running buses on routes that either have lots of passengers or are heavily subsidised by Northumberland County Council.
During the pandemic I have seen hundreds of buses serving Newcastle passing my home running empty during the day. Guess who is paying for these services.
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15/03/2021 11:01:43 18 1
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Getting the flying pig back onto the launching pad again, I see.
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15/03/2021 10:56:02 6 1
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Another road to nowhere
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15/03/2021 10:49:02 582 32
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Just fix the damn potholes. We're meant to drive on the left, not on what's left
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15/03/2021 10:56:31 213 8
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Amen! I'm fed up having to cope with these dangerous roads!
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15/03/2021 11:29:45 15 29
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Pay more for petrol. Put that extra into the roads.
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15/03/2021 12:04:06 2 7
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Then leave your car at home and take the bus
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15/03/2021 10:56:52 0 9
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Excellent work Boris another grate success for england ! Now were out of the failed so called eu supper state we can re built britain and be grate again !
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15/03/2021 11:03:46 5 1
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Next time in English please... ironically...????????
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15/03/2021 11:04:33 2 1
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You get paid per comment or per word?

Must be better than the usual paper round, eh?...
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15/03/2021 11:08:57 1 2
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KEEP TAKING THE PILLS PAL! THE EU LOVES YOU BABY! BYE BYE LITTLE ENGULANDER THE JOKE TOWN OF BORIS ISLAND 'OH' AND YOU WORK FOR US PAY YOUR LECKIE BILL!
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15/03/2021 11:11:23 1 1
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Clearly this comment is either from a Year 3 pupil or someone who didn't get a lot of schooling but feels informed enough to lecture those of us who did on the benefits of the complex matter of leaving the world's largest trading bloc.
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15/03/2021 11:05:21 2 1
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Can't tell if troll or legitimate post, hmm...
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15/03/2021 10:45:51 306 17
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4,000 more green buses in the next 3 years. Won't happen. But no surprise that it's being announced. There is a climate conference this year and talk is cheap.
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15/03/2021 10:57:44 30 158
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I assume you'll be selling your car, have never driven a car, have never been in a car, and will buy a bike?
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15/03/2021 11:06:52 53 4
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I have a car, not used much. My point is the green buses will not materialise, but they should.
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15/03/2021 11:19:33 39 2
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What has the transport arrangements of Steadyonnow got to do with his doubts regarding the introduction of green buses?
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RPH
15/03/2021 11:20:00 24 2
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Well, you've just proven what they say about assuming....
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15/03/2021 12:17:02 4 6
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? No, we assume the con is Lying. Look at their 'pm' for Pete's sake !
JPK
15/03/2021 16:54:43 1 1
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No because 4,000 more green buses in the next 3 years won't happen.

Do listen!
15/03/2021 17:00:11 0 1
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A strange response? Assume!
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15/03/2021 10:55:05 185 3
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Busses where I live (rural) are one every 2 hours in the week. None on Sunday. They take over two hours to get to the main town ( only 20 miles away ). Last bus back is about 3:30pm. How do I know this ? - I used it once when my car was getting mot. Its impossible not to have a car out here - This is NOT London! Busses are only useful in cities, or as a last resort.
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15/03/2021 11:01:46 21 1
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Obviously suggested by a single Londoner with no children. Try getting two young children and all their stuff on a bus. And also where I live there are few buses, none on Sunday, and none go where you want to be.
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15/03/2021 11:02:00 10 4
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Could this be The Tories accepting their mad rush to privatize anything that moved was an error?
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15/03/2021 11:14:55 3 4
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It was Labour that reprivstised SE rail after govt and local councils took over its running and turned it in to the best network, Blair's words were along the lines the improvement made by the public sector demonstrates why it needs to be privatised again.
Labour implemented the Beaching report too, not the Tories. The left are fundamentally dodgy and rubbish.
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15/03/2021 10:55:05 185 3
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Busses where I live (rural) are one every 2 hours in the week. None on Sunday. They take over two hours to get to the main town ( only 20 miles away ). Last bus back is about 3:30pm. How do I know this ? - I used it once when my car was getting mot. Its impossible not to have a car out here - This is NOT London! Busses are only useful in cities, or as a last resort.
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15/03/2021 11:02:00 17 1
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I'm rural as well, the looks when you tell a tourist (in normal times) when they ask for the next bus and you say "April, if your lucky." is a picture. We just don't have buses on anything but routes through the main towns. Twice a day in summer if your lucky off main routes but even that has been sketchy the last few years
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15/03/2021 10:46:37 2 2
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Just in time for all those millions of people forking from home who won’t need them.
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15/03/2021 11:02:01 2 1
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forking?
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15/03/2021 10:54:46 503 11
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "Buses are this country's favourite way of getting around.“

Errr... what? In what parallel universe does this man live in?!

Does he have a different definition of “favourite” to everyone else?
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15/03/2021 11:02:20 204 10
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Maybe in London.
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15/03/2021 11:20:32 39 3
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Indeed - holding up London as an example for anything transport related will lead to a dodgy conclusion - just because a policy would work in a part of the country that has had billions thrown at it over the years to meet the self-fulfilling prophecy that "it's the place to do business" does not mean that it will work that way in many other places in the country.
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ljs
15/03/2021 11:40:55 18 5
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The only way to get around london is by tube.
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15/03/2021 11:42:10 22 1
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Not even in london. No one gets the bus if there's a tube alternative as the bus can take up to 4x the time to go the same distance depending on traffic. Speaking from personal experience when bus was the only option during tube suspensions.
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15/03/2021 11:42:34 15 1
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In London its more likely to be the Tube or Shanks's Pony.
15/03/2021 21:19:57 0 0
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Why don't all the greens just come out with the honest answer to their transport policy.

They want to ban us from having our own vehicles.

Once they get rid of petrol and deasil cars they will go after electric ones

No one will except not having the right to own their own means of transport.
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15/03/2021 11:02:31 4 2
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Most public transport systems in the UK are just fundamentally out of date and based on Victorian ideas of family life.
A family can't do the weekly shopping on a bus or train, people now travel 10s to 100s of miles a day for work or WFH digitally.
More super fast trains between cities and local DLR type systems are needed for work and leisure and acceptance that the car is needed for shopping.
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15/03/2021 11:02:43 1 2
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What will be delivered first by this Gov't I wonder ? - the long over due social care plan ? HS 2 ? this Bus plan ? NHS Privatisation ?
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15/03/2021 11:02:49 1 2
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The middle of a global pandemic with lockdowns, social distancing economic collapse etc. is not a good time to increase the number of buses and bus lanes. Who will use them? Nobody!!
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15/03/2021 11:03:08 2 2
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Waste of money. No one in their right mind wants to use public transport when they have the option of private. Plus, if it's so great why don't politicians, council leaders etc use cattle class instead of being ferried around in chauffeur driven limousines?
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15/03/2021 11:03:09 2 1
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Regular electric bus services on popular routes in high population areas seems like a good idea and will probably reduce car use and improve air quality. It won’t work well or do much for rural areas where air quality isn’t an issue and the long routes and low population density will prevent it being cost effective.
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15/03/2021 11:03:17 0 3
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This would be a perfect opportunity to introduce green buses (something that BoJo has lamentably failed to do in London when he ordered Diesel-guzzling monsters for the capital where electric was available).

But hey, that would require vision and strategy - qualities not normally associated with Party of the Rich.
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15/03/2021 11:03:18 5 17
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Uh-oh

the left leaning moaners will hate the idea of improved public services

NEVER RUDDY SATISFIED
Lost your crayons? Removed
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15/03/2021 11:12:31 1 4
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So anyone who thinks that Bozo and co are clowns must be left wing. Remember folks you don't have to be left wing to disgusted with these clowns just sane.
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15/03/2021 11:03:21 6 2
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Rural populations just don’t use buses much because most have a better option called cars which carry stuff and run at the time you want them.
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15/03/2021 11:54:09 2 3
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Great for those rich enough to have a car.
Lots, esp retired, don't.
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15/03/2021 10:58:04 4 5
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It might seem short-sighted, but just remember that petrol and diesel cars are being phased out slowly, so in 20 years time people will be walking/cycling/bussing more. Not everyone has the money or charging facilities for electric cars (which aren't any greener anyway)
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15/03/2021 11:03:30 3 1
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Highly unlikely because it 20 years time electric cars will be mass produced and cheaper.