Johnson: Defence reforms 'will help make UK match-fit'
15/03/2021 | news | politics | 582
Boris Johnson promises more investment and jobs ahead of his long-awaited update on the military.
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15/03/2021 12:35:56 17 1
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Match fit, lol. They take us for mugs.
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15/03/2021 12:36:27 19 4
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"It described efforts to modernise its fleet of armoured fighting vehicles as "woeful""

Whats the point of modernising the tank force when the last tank we destroyed in battle was probably in the 1990's. Not even america is updating their tanks and are opting for more mobile transport
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15/03/2021 12:47:31 23 5
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I think you'll find the point is that Borris or one of his mates has a friend who lobbies hard for an outdated arms manufacturer (who btw also makes PPE) who is instrumental to our nation's security and pays handsomely for govt contracts.
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15/03/2021 14:12:06 1 0
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" Not even america is updating their tanks and are opting for more mobile transport"

Wrong. Again. The US Military is upgrading its fleet of M1A1 and actively seeking a replacement. The USMC has relinquished (or will relinquish) its heavy armour in favour of more mobile attack platforms.

Get it right eh?
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15/03/2021 15:26:14 2 0
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2003 actually last Iraq war.
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15/03/2021 12:38:09 6 6
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The English have always liked to keep a lot of military in Scotland.

Not so much to protect us as to keep watch over us. The Black Watch used to be called the Highland Watch...to watch over the "mischievous" Highlands.

And the death of a Scots soldier fighting for empire was "no mischief" remember.
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15/03/2021 12:47:01 7 2
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The promise to build 13 frigates in Scotland, if only Scots would vote "No" in the 2014 referendum didn't last long, did it?
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15/03/2021 12:57:47 1 3
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Probably to stop you all shooting up incessantly....
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15/03/2021 12:38:37 95 31
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Expect another jingoistic, flag waving, blustering speech from Bojo to hide the latest fudge on defence spending.
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jon
15/03/2021 12:59:37 46 82
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Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.
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15/03/2021 13:44:25 22 1
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This announcement comes the day after we are told by MPs that our tanks are in an appalling condition.

Like every part of public spending the MoD has seen its spending slashed by austerity cuts imposed by the Tories!
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15/03/2021 13:56:06 25 1
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Utter duplicity.
"new investment in domestic industries such as defence, science and technology"

but our ODA investment is halved
https://www.ukri.org/news/ukri-required-to-review-official-development-assistance-funding/

Spend 2.6% above inflation on defence but pay nurses only 1% while.

"our values"
Supply arms and advice to Saudis to bomb Yemen, cut aid to support the victims of that bombing
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15/03/2021 12:40:50 7 3
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It seems that our Government still hankers after the days when the UK was truly a world power to be reckoned with.

In these post-empire, post-colonial (nearly) days, what need of a military to project power internationally? We can't afford it now - and, with national debt spiralling, are less likely to be able to afford it in future.
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15/03/2021 12:41:53 8 11
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Brilliant. Maybe they can be used against a bunch of defenceless women on Clapham Common mourning one of their own.
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15/03/2021 12:59:43 4 8
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A bunch of women who were breaking the law.
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jon
15/03/2021 13:05:03 4 3
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Police have powers to fine people £10,000 for gatherings that exceed the regulations. Funerals are limited to 30 people. What makes these women and men think they are above the law? The Duchess of Cambridge set the best example. Arriving privately, paying respect and leaving quickly. When the British people have made so many sacrifices, the BBC woke coverage has been dreadfully biased.
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15/03/2021 12:43:09 15 12
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Is that "world beating" "match fit ....

Like the useless aircraft carriers floating round the world's oceans?

Stop living in the past Britain ...

Too small to stand alone ...

What about combining resources with your neighbours ...

A European army?

What a good idea.

Silly Brexiters ... smoking gun in hand, still looking down at hole in foot.
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15/03/2021 12:45:40 12 1
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The UK and France already have a strong bi-lateral defence partnership. This will upset some people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-able-to-deploy-a-10000-strong-joint-military-force-in-response-to-shared-threats
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15/03/2021 12:47:18 3 7
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We've left the EU silly billy
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15/03/2021 12:43:35 8 4
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Do we want an defence force to protect the UK and to fulfil our NATO obligations, or do we still want to try and be the policemen of the world? If it's mainly for defence, you need a nuclear deterrent, a good navy and air force. To win, an enemy needs to take and hold ground. With a strong navy, air force, and a reliable nuclear deterrent, we can prevent them from doing that.
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15/03/2021 12:43:09 15 12
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Is that "world beating" "match fit ....

Like the useless aircraft carriers floating round the world's oceans?

Stop living in the past Britain ...

Too small to stand alone ...

What about combining resources with your neighbours ...

A European army?

What a good idea.

Silly Brexiters ... smoking gun in hand, still looking down at hole in foot.
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15/03/2021 12:45:40 12 1
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The UK and France already have a strong bi-lateral defence partnership. This will upset some people.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-and-france-able-to-deploy-a-10000-strong-joint-military-force-in-response-to-shared-threats
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15/03/2021 12:46:41 9 5
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"And, crucially, he argues that this will provide jobs across the United Kingdom."

Dear Evil Tories,

Please centralize the Trident Nuclear Submarines in London, not Faslane.

The Ruskie and Chinese nukes have a special interest in targeting them and we Scots don't really want that special pawn status.

You want them. You have them in England.

Think of the associated jobs as a gift.
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15/03/2021 12:56:42 10 5
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Have you asked the Faslane workers ?...or do you decide unilaterally as the self-appointed King of Scotland ?
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15/03/2021 13:05:04 0 1
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7000 jobs to England / Wales - Sounds a good deal to me :)
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15/03/2021 18:00:16 1 0
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They should just get rid of them. Who are we ever going to fire them at, we have a tiny amount compared to anyone we might use them on so the result would be we take out moscow or bejing and they remove the UK from the map. We won't ever nuke anywhere closer as we would get most of the fallout land on us.

The only reason we keep them is so the government can boast we are a nuclear power.
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15/03/2021 12:38:09 6 6
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The English have always liked to keep a lot of military in Scotland.

Not so much to protect us as to keep watch over us. The Black Watch used to be called the Highland Watch...to watch over the "mischievous" Highlands.

And the death of a Scots soldier fighting for empire was "no mischief" remember.
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15/03/2021 12:47:01 7 2
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The promise to build 13 frigates in Scotland, if only Scots would vote "No" in the 2014 referendum didn't last long, did it?
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15/03/2021 12:36:27 19 4
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"It described efforts to modernise its fleet of armoured fighting vehicles as "woeful""

Whats the point of modernising the tank force when the last tank we destroyed in battle was probably in the 1990's. Not even america is updating their tanks and are opting for more mobile transport
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15/03/2021 12:47:31 23 5
bbc
I think you'll find the point is that Borris or one of his mates has a friend who lobbies hard for an outdated arms manufacturer (who btw also makes PPE) who is instrumental to our nation's security and pays handsomely for govt contracts.
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15/03/2021 12:43:09 15 12
bbc
Is that "world beating" "match fit ....

Like the useless aircraft carriers floating round the world's oceans?

Stop living in the past Britain ...

Too small to stand alone ...

What about combining resources with your neighbours ...

A European army?

What a good idea.

Silly Brexiters ... smoking gun in hand, still looking down at hole in foot.
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15/03/2021 12:47:18 3 7
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We've left the EU silly billy
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15/03/2021 12:50:07 4 12
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Well someone, on this side of the pond, has to pay their share for NATO defences... 'cause the EU are too scared that Czar Putin will turn off his cheap gas supply to them!
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15/03/2021 12:50:32 52 5
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Match fit??
It's just a game to johnson
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15/03/2021 13:35:34 42 3
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It will be a massive bung to his mates
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15/03/2021 12:53:44 67 5
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Tories have cut the army from 104,500 to effectively around 75000
Navy had 7 operational frigates a couple of years ago
Might just provide air defense for one carrier. The other a sitting duck
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15/03/2021 15:01:07 41 6
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The other doesn't have any fighters anyway, so it's not just a sitting duck, it's also a white elephant. More genius Tory procurement.
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15/03/2021 19:47:48 4 4
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And the F35s are stupidly expensive, appear to be less reliable than Windows and cannot fly most of the time due to the "wrong" weather.
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15/03/2021 20:55:31 5 2
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Let's not forget Osborne selling the harrier fleet to the US for £120million after spending £500 million upgrading it. Rear Admiral Mark Heinrich, chief of the US Navy's supply corps: "We're taking advantage of all the money the Brits have spent on them," he said. "It's like we're buying a car with maybe 15,000 miles on it. These are very good platforms."
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15/03/2021 21:01:55 2 4
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The second carrier is still undergoing sea trials at the moment, so of course it doesn't have any aircraft yet.
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15/03/2021 21:02:46 4 4
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Labour commissioned those carriers to buy votes in marginal seats.
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16/03/2021 09:27:15 0 1
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And what about the destroyer fleet which can't sail in warm waters? Or is Johnson planning to re-open the naval base in Lough Swilly, Co, Donegal? Should be cold enough up there.
http://historyhubulster.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Grand-Fleet-in-Lough-Swilly.jpg
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15/03/2021 12:46:41 9 5
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"And, crucially, he argues that this will provide jobs across the United Kingdom."

Dear Evil Tories,

Please centralize the Trident Nuclear Submarines in London, not Faslane.

The Ruskie and Chinese nukes have a special interest in targeting them and we Scots don't really want that special pawn status.

You want them. You have them in England.

Think of the associated jobs as a gift.
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15/03/2021 12:56:42 10 5
bbc
Have you asked the Faslane workers ?...or do you decide unilaterally as the self-appointed King of Scotland ?
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15/03/2021 13:14:06 3 3
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A YouGov poll for the Times shows, that when ‘Don’t Knows’ are removed, 53 per cent of people in Scotland want to see an end to nuclear weapons.

England loves them.

England should have them

Move the Faslane workers to England. They are likely to be Evil Tory supporters. They'll get to go to the motherland!

After all the Evil Tories are moving jobs all over the shop just now.
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15/03/2021 12:57:30 53 2
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The best way to defend ourselves better is for us and other allies to stop trading with countries whose regimes are of concern. They can’t shore up their military if we’re not giving them the money needed to build military capabilities in the first place.
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15/03/2021 13:40:56 7 0
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10.
Removed
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15/03/2021 22:29:47 2 0
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Many of the smaller "regimes of concern" already have some form of trade/financial sanctions placed upon them.

The biggest players will and already are trading elsewhere, so "Stop trading" with them isn't going to work because it will hurt us more than them. We are not strong enough in soft or hard power anymore for those nations to take our opinion as seriously anymore.
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16/03/2021 08:08:06 1 0
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Well that should mean we are as safe as houses as Brexit has stopped us trading with anyone at all.
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15/03/2021 12:38:09 6 6
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The English have always liked to keep a lot of military in Scotland.

Not so much to protect us as to keep watch over us. The Black Watch used to be called the Highland Watch...to watch over the "mischievous" Highlands.

And the death of a Scots soldier fighting for empire was "no mischief" remember.
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15/03/2021 12:57:47 1 3
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Probably to stop you all shooting up incessantly....
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15/03/2021 12:59:15 20 0
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Here we go again. Another Defence review where the headlines are all about how many jobs will be secured in the UK.

To be followed in a couple of years by NAO reports of chronic incompetence in spending and the Defence Select Committee listing key deficiencies. But as long as the ship yards can be thrown some dosh.??
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15/03/2021 13:20:39 11 1
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UK shipyards are among the best in the world (even if UK Civil Servants managing large procurement projects aren't!)
Personally I'd rather target such defence spending where it will benefit UK workers and reduce our balance of payments deficit, even if it means the bill is a bit higher than using yards in SE Asia.
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15/03/2021 12:38:37 95 31
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Expect another jingoistic, flag waving, blustering speech from Bojo to hide the latest fudge on defence spending.
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jon
15/03/2021 12:59:37 46 82
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Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.
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15/03/2021 13:04:00 51 6
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Foreign Aid is part of soft power. If you invest in education and welfare, it is intended to make friends out of potentially hostile nations and de-radicalize people. So less need for hard military assets in the first place.
Got a source for that claim or did you just pull it out of your ass like most of what else you say? Removed
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15/03/2021 13:43:20 27 4
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Good. I'd back him.
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15/03/2021 14:03:42 25 5
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If the UK defence spending wasn't used to bolster American Imperialism there wouldn't be as many humanitarian crises to alleviate through foreign aid. Most of the world's displaced people only became refugees because of NATO wars & proxies. Similarly, if the government weren't arming the House of Saud there wouldn't be as much of a need for humanitarian aid in Yemen. Grow up, little man.
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15/03/2021 14:13:44 7 0
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Do you know the purpose of 'foreign aid' ?
It's hardly about aiding foreigners . . .
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15/03/2021 14:31:13 8 1
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As opposed to the Tory cuts through the army, navy, raf, reservists, probation and pretty much every department that the cut every time they are in power. That’s not to mention the rise of poverty and low convictions for crime, especially for crimes against women, the law and order party my backside.
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15/03/2021 16:15:56 7 0
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Where is your evidence? Also the Tories have been in power since 2010 so if the military are to match fit now who's fault is that.
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15/03/2021 16:59:30 6 0
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Wheras the Tories would cut both and give the money to their cronies via fat contracts with no oversight.

Facts - The Tories ALWAYS cut military spending. They did it before the Falklands, they have done over the last 10 years. The Tories have cut the military far more than any other government.
Good, that would make far more difference to world safety.
Would he? Hypothetically?
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16/03/2021 07:53:40 2 0
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A strategy of winning hearts and minds will always be more effective than blunt military force.
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16/03/2021 09:10:39 2 0
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...and quite right too. That's the kind of influence that counts. Do you really think a nuclear powerful UK will "influence" people? You are deluded. Like the rest of the Tory "make Britain great again" fools.
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16/03/2021 20:02:59 0 0
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"Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid"

Good.
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15/03/2021 12:41:53 8 11
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Brilliant. Maybe they can be used against a bunch of defenceless women on Clapham Common mourning one of their own.
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15/03/2021 12:59:43 4 8
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A bunch of women who were breaking the law.
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15/03/2021 13:01:52 5 3
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Only a coward would reply thus. Shameful.
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15/03/2021 13:00:05 33 1
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'Match-fit'?! Really? The very choice of words shows clearly that Johnson thinks this is some sort of game. Lots of promises from PM all of a sudden? It must be election time soon. Army/navy in 'poor form'? Tories have been in power for over 10 yrs now, so how could this possibly have happened!
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15/03/2021 22:51:43 8 1
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Just another typical example of Boris's Overpromising and Underdelivering.

Not even the armed forces can escape from his delusions of a non-existent grandeur.

Keep noting these down and consistently remind him of these promises in 3 years time.
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15/03/2021 13:00:09 62 16
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Defence cuts mean that Bojo has fewer military assets to use for photo opportunities.

Remember when May made her "Red, White and Blue Brexit" speech on board HMS Ocean? The ship was later sold to Brazil.
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15/03/2021 14:07:14 18 31
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Yes it was, when it became obsolete. I served aboard that scow and it was in a right state.

Her 'Red, White and Blue Brexit' speech had nothing to do with that ship. Comrade.
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15/03/2021 12:59:43 4 8
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A bunch of women who were breaking the law.
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15/03/2021 13:01:52 5 3
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Only a coward would reply thus. Shameful.
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15/03/2021 13:03:37 47 4
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I hope Boris doesn't put his "World beating Test and trace Team" in charge of this.
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15/03/2021 18:28:07 9 9
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Now that the warmongers are back in charge of the White House, the main policy objective should be to avoid joining any of the illegal adventures they are planning.
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15/03/2021 20:01:59 4 0
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No , he'll just hire 10,000 consultants at astronomical cost.
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jon
15/03/2021 12:59:37 46 82
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Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.
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15/03/2021 13:04:00 51 6
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Foreign Aid is part of soft power. If you invest in education and welfare, it is intended to make friends out of potentially hostile nations and de-radicalize people. So less need for hard military assets in the first place.
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15/03/2021 20:04:49 0 2
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Conjecture!!
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16/03/2021 15:16:14 0 0
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that's worked so well since we increased it to 0.7% some years ago
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15/03/2021 13:04:35 26 1
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Whoa! I bet Putin is quaking at the thought of another 500 civil servants being sent to Kilbride!

If only we’d done that before Russian invasion of the Crimea! ??
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15/03/2021 13:13:26 6 10
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If the Scots Nationalists got their way, the Kilbride facilities would bring a whole new meaning to 'Foreign Office'...
(except it wouldn't of course since all those Civil Service jobs would just be relocated south again)
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16/03/2021 01:06:00 2 0
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I thought the "invasion" of Crimea involved a referendum and a single fatality, a Ukrainian soldier? Don't trust Putin's mafia an inch, but feels mild compared to our "humanitarian interventions" which, since 2003 at least, have invariably resulted in failed states, militia rule, resource theft, humanitarian crises, people trafficking, ubiquitous war & terror & the erosion of our civil liberties.
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15/03/2021 12:41:53 8 11
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Brilliant. Maybe they can be used against a bunch of defenceless women on Clapham Common mourning one of their own.
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jon
15/03/2021 13:05:03 4 3
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Police have powers to fine people £10,000 for gatherings that exceed the regulations. Funerals are limited to 30 people. What makes these women and men think they are above the law? The Duchess of Cambridge set the best example. Arriving privately, paying respect and leaving quickly. When the British people have made so many sacrifices, the BBC woke coverage has been dreadfully biased.
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15/03/2021 13:22:53 1 2
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I do worry for people like you. Spineless and without morals.
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15/03/2021 12:46:41 9 5
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"And, crucially, he argues that this will provide jobs across the United Kingdom."

Dear Evil Tories,

Please centralize the Trident Nuclear Submarines in London, not Faslane.

The Ruskie and Chinese nukes have a special interest in targeting them and we Scots don't really want that special pawn status.

You want them. You have them in England.

Think of the associated jobs as a gift.
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15/03/2021 13:05:04 0 1
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7000 jobs to England / Wales - Sounds a good deal to me :)
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15/03/2021 13:08:27 69 10
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"Match fit"?

This isn't a game of wiff waff, this is about the security of our country.

And I wouldn't trust the Tories with it, bearing in mind they've presided over a steady decline in the numbers & capabilities of our Armed Forces over the past 11 years.
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15/03/2021 13:46:38 35 9
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It doesnt matter what they do, people will still vote Tory come election day, despite this.
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15/03/2021 14:08:39 5 13
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Perhaps they're working on the premise that the less military equipment we have, the less likely it is for a future Labour Government to drag us off to any illegal wars?
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15/03/2021 13:09:51 29 3
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As long as its not a world-beating navy that can be beaten by a rubber dinghy.... !!
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15/03/2021 13:12:23 33 1
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We've been here before with Tory reviews and promises. The fact is we're hard pushed to deploy a troop of boy scouts let alone an all-arms division. This no doubt will provide Johnson with more opportunity for bombast and bullsh*t.
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JT
16/03/2021 17:07:55 2 1
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Not to forget the hi-vis and lab coat photo-ops !
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15/03/2021 13:02:40 3 10
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Bit of a waste of time comparing UK forces with Russian or Chinese, UK has more people working in NHS that whole Russian army yet a few thousand soldiers, think best thing to do is invest in patrol boats more fearful of EU than Russia or China don’t see them mucking around with food imports, EU seem to be wanting to starve UK in to submission, EU not even this time investing in Uboats.
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15/03/2021 13:18:30 5 1
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In English please ?!
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15/03/2021 13:39:46 1 0
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Oh god . . .
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15/03/2021 13:04:35 26 1
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Whoa! I bet Putin is quaking at the thought of another 500 civil servants being sent to Kilbride!

If only we’d done that before Russian invasion of the Crimea! ??
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15/03/2021 13:13:26 6 10
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If the Scots Nationalists got their way, the Kilbride facilities would bring a whole new meaning to 'Foreign Office'...
(except it wouldn't of course since all those Civil Service jobs would just be relocated south again)
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15/03/2021 14:05:51 5 1
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If this ever happens (which I doubt) they'll be headed South anyway once we are independent.
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15/03/2021 15:34:09 4 0
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We can redeploy the Nuclear subs a bit closer to closer to London. More photo ops for the politicians when they need to convince us nukes are better than boots on the ground. Nukes never stopped a terrorist and they didn't stop Putin using a nerve agent Novichok on our shores.
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15/03/2021 12:56:42 10 5
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Have you asked the Faslane workers ?...or do you decide unilaterally as the self-appointed King of Scotland ?
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15/03/2021 13:14:06 3 3
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A YouGov poll for the Times shows, that when ‘Don’t Knows’ are removed, 53 per cent of people in Scotland want to see an end to nuclear weapons.

England loves them.

England should have them

Move the Faslane workers to England. They are likely to be Evil Tory supporters. They'll get to go to the motherland!

After all the Evil Tories are moving jobs all over the shop just now.
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15/03/2021 13:15:46 33 1
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Boris has committed to getting some new chariots, spears and long bows...and even a new Trebuchet....!!
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15/03/2021 13:39:26 16 0
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Won't we need foreign mercenaries to operate that ? ? ;)
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15/03/2021 14:26:44 2 0
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He's buying new Trebuchets their French you know, that will upset the Brexiteers.
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15/03/2021 13:17:00 5 1
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We cannot have an armed service to protect the UK on the cheap, which is what this and other governments have tried to do.

once its too late there is no come back, everything in the UK is mostly underfunded because of governments cuts, instead of biting the bullet and having a balanced taxation system, without giving government friends the wink and nod, more sleaze sighs
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15/03/2021 13:02:40 3 10
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Bit of a waste of time comparing UK forces with Russian or Chinese, UK has more people working in NHS that whole Russian army yet a few thousand soldiers, think best thing to do is invest in patrol boats more fearful of EU than Russia or China don’t see them mucking around with food imports, EU seem to be wanting to starve UK in to submission, EU not even this time investing in Uboats.
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15/03/2021 13:18:30 5 1
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In English please ?!
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15/03/2021 13:19:28 59 6
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jon
“Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.”

Time to get the history books out chap. I have never voted for them, but Labour has always been more willing to spend on defence.

Just a...you know... boring fact.??
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15/03/2021 13:22:00 13 48
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Here's another one - remember the "hands up" Labour defence policy in the 80s ? We sure do... and we dont believe Labour has changed its spots on the subject.
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15/03/2021 15:15:59 3 1
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Is that because the last labour government took us into 2 unnecessary wars in Iraq & Afghanistan?
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16/03/2021 11:02:50 0 0
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In the 1960s the wilson government cancelled the TSR2, T1154 and HS681 and replaced with "cheaper" US products significantly reducing the capability of the British aircraft industry.
Short term gain, long term pain.
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jon
15/03/2021 12:59:37 46 82
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Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.
Got a source for that claim or did you just pull it out of your ass like most of what else you say? Removed
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jon
15/03/2021 13:29:31 6 41
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Starmer has:
consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas.
consistently voted against military action against ISIS
hypocritically voted against investigations into the Iraq
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15/03/2021 13:41:57 3 13
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No fan of the tories, but jon`s correct abour SKS voting record on defence...
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25353/keir_starmer/holborn_and_st_pancras/votes#foreignpolicy
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15/03/2021 13:20:34 57 7
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only an idiot like johnson would compare military conflict to a match.
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RM
15/03/2021 13:38:00 37 2
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Yes, it is a horrible and offensive headline.
Modern warfare is not a game.
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15/03/2021 21:08:55 0 3
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It is a common phrase. But I suspect with all the non UK posters on here, that it might confuse some people.
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16/03/2021 15:49:36 1 0
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"Match-Fit". "Oven-Ready". It's all the same to Johnson. Just more jingoistic "Clap-Trap".
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15/03/2021 12:59:15 20 0
bbc
Here we go again. Another Defence review where the headlines are all about how many jobs will be secured in the UK.

To be followed in a couple of years by NAO reports of chronic incompetence in spending and the Defence Select Committee listing key deficiencies. But as long as the ship yards can be thrown some dosh.??
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15/03/2021 13:20:39 11 1
bbc
UK shipyards are among the best in the world (even if UK Civil Servants managing large procurement projects aren't!)
Personally I'd rather target such defence spending where it will benefit UK workers and reduce our balance of payments deficit, even if it means the bill is a bit higher than using yards in SE Asia.
415
15/03/2021 19:58:47 2 0
bbc
What shipyards other than a few defence one's. Otherwise we don't build any ships. Thatcher closed them all.
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15/03/2021 13:19:28 59 6
bbc
jon
“Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.”

Time to get the history books out chap. I have never voted for them, but Labour has always been more willing to spend on defence.

Just a...you know... boring fact.??
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15/03/2021 13:22:00 13 48
bbc
Here's another one - remember the "hands up" Labour defence policy in the 80s ? We sure do... and we dont believe Labour has changed its spots on the subject.
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15/03/2021 13:33:56 15 1
bbc
Are you talking about the 1980's or the 1880's as you can never be sure with the time warp Tory's.
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15/03/2021 13:38:48 10 1
bbc
We know the cons - apt name - cannot.
269
15/03/2021 15:28:20 4 2
bbc
Daily Fail schooled you well during the Cold War
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15/03/2021 17:15:35 5 2
bbc
You mean back when the Tories were cutting the armed forces? Those 80's?
The 80's when Labour wasn't in power, and the Tories were selling off everything (whether it was nailed down or not) but not using the money to invest in the country, the armed forces , schools, hospitals etc... just giving it to their cronies as tax cuts instead...

Those 80's?
404
15/03/2021 18:52:35 2 1
bbc
You should maybe pay attention to what people are saying now rather than what different people were saying over 30 years ago.
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jon
15/03/2021 13:05:03 4 3
bbc
Police have powers to fine people £10,000 for gatherings that exceed the regulations. Funerals are limited to 30 people. What makes these women and men think they are above the law? The Duchess of Cambridge set the best example. Arriving privately, paying respect and leaving quickly. When the British people have made so many sacrifices, the BBC woke coverage has been dreadfully biased.
45
15/03/2021 13:22:53 1 2
bbc
I do worry for people like you. Spineless and without morals.
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15/03/2021 13:59:48 1 0
bbc
The moral arbiter of the Universe has descended amongst us mortals.
46
15/03/2021 13:25:15 8 0
bbc
Main battle tanks less than 165, spares not available except scrapped MBT's, navy reduced frigates, air force F35 delays.

NATO strategic compliance that the UK MAINTAIN ARMY STRENGHT 100000, aircraft carriers x 2 and 300 F35 aircraft.
the UK has to pay the USA shortfall money to increase its force in Europe.
As one USA general put it, don't tell me the UK is leaving the EU because of money.
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15/03/2021 13:28:19 0 8
bbc
Utter nonsense.
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15/03/2021 13:25:49 32 2
bbc
What if I told you the best way of eliminating external threats is through strong trading agreements and close political alignment with your neighbours.

Otherwise you're taking on China on your own and good luck with that.
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15/03/2021 13:25:15 8 0
bbc
Main battle tanks less than 165, spares not available except scrapped MBT's, navy reduced frigates, air force F35 delays.

NATO strategic compliance that the UK MAINTAIN ARMY STRENGHT 100000, aircraft carriers x 2 and 300 F35 aircraft.
the UK has to pay the USA shortfall money to increase its force in Europe.
As one USA general put it, don't tell me the UK is leaving the EU because of money.
48
15/03/2021 13:28:19 0 8
bbc
Utter nonsense.
56
15/03/2021 13:35:47 4 0
bbc
fact
61
15/03/2021 13:38:11 3 0
bbc
Utter fact.
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15/03/2021 13:28:42 7 1
bbc
Any chance we could have a grown up conversation about future threats, strategic goals, capability gaps & the need for the nuclear deterrent?

Nope... just more lines about how many civil servant jobs are to be created outside of London.

Brilliant...??
Got a source for that claim or did you just pull it out of your ass like most of what else you say? Removed
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jon
15/03/2021 13:29:31 6 41
bbc
Starmer has:
consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas.
consistently voted against military action against ISIS
hypocritically voted against investigations into the Iraq
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15/03/2021 13:37:31 26 3
bbc
blither, blither said Bozo, yawn
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15/03/2021 13:44:10 18 3
bbc
Careful - you're looking like another tory johnson.
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15/03/2021 14:49:10 9 1
bbc
So you don't like Labour/Starmer because he doesn't want us invading countries in the middle east that had nothing to do with 9/11 (remember most of those who took part in the attack were saudi)....
348
15/03/2021 17:00:28 6 0
bbc
Sounds sensible, we've seen the mess getting involved in the Mid East has caused, it hasn't solved any problems, it's just made them worse.
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15/03/2021 13:31:43 7 3
bbc
We are now a second division country - we need to grow up and stop fetishizing the military. The best defence is to not alienate our nearest friends and allies - which is what we have been doing for the last five years.
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15/03/2021 13:54:09 0 2
bbc
You mean hide.
44
15/03/2021 13:22:00 13 48
bbc
Here's another one - remember the "hands up" Labour defence policy in the 80s ? We sure do... and we dont believe Labour has changed its spots on the subject.
52
15/03/2021 13:33:56 15 1
bbc
Are you talking about the 1980's or the 1880's as you can never be sure with the time warp Tory's.
53
15/03/2021 13:34:56 6 1
bbc
china has an army of 3 million equipped, 6000 tanks, 52 nuclear and diesel-powered attack submarines, four nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines and two aircraft carriers with 16 more in the pipeline, 335 ships the largest navy in the world,12 thousand aircraft and 400 long range bombers.

so lets look at GB umm lets not
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15/03/2021 14:03:05 4 1
bbc
Yeah but Little Englanders want their compensation for Covid and we won 2 world wars and 1 world cup.
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15/03/2021 13:35:20 8 0
bbc
"Johnson has promised to help make the UK "match-fit""

I can imagine that after several years and several £bns of our money going to ERG friends (without contract details ever being published) that our armed forces will be suitably armed.... with a slogan. Something like "better dead than read", then claim it's made Britain better
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15/03/2021 12:50:32 52 5
bbc
Match fit??
It's just a game to johnson
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15/03/2021 13:35:34 42 3
bbc
It will be a massive bung to his mates
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15/03/2021 13:48:16 6 0
bbc
100%
48
15/03/2021 13:28:19 0 8
bbc
Utter nonsense.
56
15/03/2021 13:35:47 4 0
bbc
fact
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15/03/2021 13:36:20 5 1
bbc
So I guess one of the cronies has just invested heavily in defence then? Only reason why after underfunding for the last 11 years the Tories now want to plough money into defence.

Let's face it, with the advanced weaponry today, it would all be over before the tanks got a few miles down the road. Just more cronyism.
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15/03/2021 13:36:43 5 2
bbc
Oven-Beating Pal-contracts doubtless.

Always a good wedge from the forces, what ?

Meanwhile if you 'Risk' annoying someone whilst legally demonstrating you could now get a max. of 10 years - Police, Crime, Sentencing & Courts Bill.

We see, conservatives.
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jon
15/03/2021 13:29:31 6 41
bbc
Starmer has:
consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas.
consistently voted against military action against ISIS
hypocritically voted against investigations into the Iraq
59
15/03/2021 13:37:31 26 3
bbc
blither, blither said Bozo, yawn
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15/03/2021 13:20:34 57 7
bbc
only an idiot like johnson would compare military conflict to a match.
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RM
15/03/2021 13:38:00 37 2
bbc
Yes, it is a horrible and offensive headline.
Modern warfare is not a game.
48
15/03/2021 13:28:19 0 8
bbc
Utter nonsense.
61
15/03/2021 13:38:11 3 0
bbc
Utter fact.
44
15/03/2021 13:22:00 13 48
bbc
Here's another one - remember the "hands up" Labour defence policy in the 80s ? We sure do... and we dont believe Labour has changed its spots on the subject.
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15/03/2021 13:38:48 10 1
bbc
We know the cons - apt name - cannot.
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15/03/2021 13:39:22 6 1
bbc
He just wants another photo opportunity for the rowdy Brexit mob harking back to the days of the Empire. Stand by for the North Korea style parade with Bozo observing from the balcony. Absolute narcissist.
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15/03/2021 13:15:46 33 1
bbc
Boris has committed to getting some new chariots, spears and long bows...and even a new Trebuchet....!!
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15/03/2021 13:39:26 16 0
bbc
Won't we need foreign mercenaries to operate that ? ? ;)
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15/03/2021 15:36:16 0 0
bbc
America and Israel are the best mercenaries.
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15/03/2021 20:10:13 1 0
bbc
Yep! But we send them all home !!
34
15/03/2021 13:02:40 3 10
bbc
Bit of a waste of time comparing UK forces with Russian or Chinese, UK has more people working in NHS that whole Russian army yet a few thousand soldiers, think best thing to do is invest in patrol boats more fearful of EU than Russia or China don’t see them mucking around with food imports, EU seem to be wanting to starve UK in to submission, EU not even this time investing in Uboats.
65
15/03/2021 13:39:46 1 0
bbc
Oh god . . .
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15/03/2021 13:40:00 6 0
bbc
The problem which arises when Johnson goes on about values, is that my values, which I like to think include honesty & integrity are not the same as his. Thus we will never be on the same page.
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15/03/2021 13:41:45 6 0
bbc
Very, very few people are on the same page as Bozo!!
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15/03/2021 12:57:30 53 2
bbc
The best way to defend ourselves better is for us and other allies to stop trading with countries whose regimes are of concern. They can’t shore up their military if we’re not giving them the money needed to build military capabilities in the first place.
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15/03/2021 13:40:56 7 0
bbc
10.
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15/03/2021 14:50:16 0 0
bbc
10?
68
15/03/2021 13:41:10 3 0
bbc
The best medicine is preventative, the best physical defence in thought. Against dictatorship wherever, the best counter - with example - is REAL representative democracy, guaranteed by existential awareness passed generation to generation, allowing mutual respect for potential given the security of conditional income-equal partnership, all representative of all, with freedom to follow conscience.
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15/03/2021 13:45:56 0 0
bbc
Best defence democracy. Who says otherwise, witting or not abuses truth to tell lies. Who fails to commend REAL democracy risks part in disgrace and horror, in species self-destruction and worse, in the loss of potential on this Earth, in fatal rejection of leadership for this 'our' cosmos (the struggles of ages and worlds, maybe this cosmos, 'wasted': hope left with Ozymandias, between the lines.
66
15/03/2021 13:40:00 6 0
bbc
The problem which arises when Johnson goes on about values, is that my values, which I like to think include honesty & integrity are not the same as his. Thus we will never be on the same page.
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15/03/2021 13:41:45 6 0
bbc
Very, very few people are on the same page as Bozo!!
Got a source for that claim or did you just pull it out of your ass like most of what else you say? Removed
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15/03/2021 13:41:57 3 13
bbc
No fan of the tories, but jon`s correct abour SKS voting record on defence...
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25353/keir_starmer/holborn_and_st_pancras/votes#foreignpolicy
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16/03/2021 00:39:07 1 0
bbc
you ARE a fan of the tories, "king" period
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15/03/2021 13:42:03 2 0
bbc
I have some golfball-detectors for those bright MOD people.
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T
15/03/2021 13:42:27 3 0
bbc
Successive governments play politics with our defense infrastructure; millions if not billions spent on 'strategic reviews' and expensive new projects/consultations that are abandoned before completion.
The next government comes in and we start all over again. Meanwhile our assets become outdated and obsolete.
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15/03/2021 13:39:45 3 7
bbc
Further proof of what a nationalist hero Boris is ! Once again hes proved to be the best PM this county has ever had FACT ! But the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender !
82
15/03/2021 13:45:52 5 1
bbc
What a nonsense...
89
15/03/2021 13:49:12 2 0
bbc
When you say nationalist do you equate to a fascist, because that is what the definition of a nationalist is.

Note to moderator, this is a legitimate question to the poster. He has either got his terminology wrong or....
91
15/03/2021 13:51:10 1 0
bbc
You are nearly as good as me at this. 10/10
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15/03/2021 13:57:40 3 0
bbc
"suite there agender."

I guess it's easy for Bojo to fool certain types of people.
131
15/03/2021 14:06:10 3 0
bbc
The BBC is run by the Tory's but even they cannot find anything good to say about the disgusting clown fest that is in government at the moment.
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15/03/2021 13:42:49 7 0
bbc
philipward100
13:40
The problem which arises when Johnson goes on about values, is that my values, which I like to think include honesty & integrity are not the same as his. Thus we will never be on the same page.'

Conservatives are happy with sleaze.

The country is not.
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jon
15/03/2021 12:59:37 46 82
bbc
Kier Starmer would cut our defences and increase foreign aid rather than spending on UK needs.
75
15/03/2021 13:43:20 27 4
bbc
Good. I'd back him.
432
15/03/2021 21:00:53 0 3
bbc
But most of the country doesn't. Keir Starmer will never be PM. Unless he defects to the Conservatives. Which would be a good move.
76
15/03/2021 13:41:32 0 8
bbc
The under funding started from labours Tony Blair .gulf war troops lack of PPE
Also his fault covid PPE stocks were cut he got rid of UK stock pile's as he believed it wound never be need .
And govs since didn't bother either

Hopefully the army will never be need .
Just fund it properly .just in case
81
15/03/2021 13:45:48 6 0
bbc
Tory Bot fake news!!
50
jon
15/03/2021 13:29:31 6 41
bbc
Starmer has:
consistently voted against use of UK military forces in combat operations overseas.
consistently voted against military action against ISIS
hypocritically voted against investigations into the Iraq
77
15/03/2021 13:44:10 18 3
bbc
Careful - you're looking like another tory johnson.
78
15/03/2021 13:44:24 6 1
bbc
Britain is not a world power.

It does not need Trident, perhaps cut that and use the money on conventional arms and a bigger more interactive peace keeping role?
90
15/03/2021 13:49:40 0 2
bbc
Nah just seal Brussels under glass.
100
15/03/2021 13:50:50 2 0
bbc
Scrap the army as well

??????
4
15/03/2021 12:38:37 95 31
bbc
Expect another jingoistic, flag waving, blustering speech from Bojo to hide the latest fudge on defence spending.
79
15/03/2021 13:44:25 22 1
bbc
This announcement comes the day after we are told by MPs that our tanks are in an appalling condition.

Like every part of public spending the MoD has seen its spending slashed by austerity cuts imposed by the Tories!
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15/03/2021 14:05:29 3 13
bbc
Most likely, its because austerity faced by the military is as a result of it being robbed by successive Governments to try to fund the bottomless and not fit for purpose NHS that lefties love use as a political football.

You see, the Military is not a moving target (no pun intended) when it comes to being available for cuts. Its how the NHS is run that should be reviewed, not the Military.
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15/03/2021 13:45:01 9 0
bbc
This announcement comes the day after we were told by MPs that our tanks are in an appalling condition.

Like every part of public spending the MoD has seen its spending slashed by austerity cuts imposed by the Tories!
76
15/03/2021 13:41:32 0 8
bbc
The under funding started from labours Tony Blair .gulf war troops lack of PPE
Also his fault covid PPE stocks were cut he got rid of UK stock pile's as he believed it wound never be need .
And govs since didn't bother either

Hopefully the army will never be need .
Just fund it properly .just in case
81
15/03/2021 13:45:48 6 0
bbc
Tory Bot fake news!!
95
15/03/2021 13:52:12 2 0
bbc
Tony Blair left power years ago, whose been in charge since ? answer on back of HMG Fag packet please.....
101
15/03/2021 13:52:15 1 2
bbc
No the truth. just you don't like it so scream fake .trumpy
103
15/03/2021 13:54:38 0 0
bbc
Sorry that was directed at Fred, wrong box.
73
15/03/2021 13:39:45 3 7
bbc
Further proof of what a nationalist hero Boris is ! Once again hes proved to be the best PM this county has ever had FACT ! But the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender !
82
15/03/2021 13:45:52 5 1
bbc
What a nonsense...
132
15/03/2021 14:06:50 1 0
bbc
Fact :)
68
15/03/2021 13:41:10 3 0
bbc
The best medicine is preventative, the best physical defence in thought. Against dictatorship wherever, the best counter - with example - is REAL representative democracy, guaranteed by existential awareness passed generation to generation, allowing mutual respect for potential given the security of conditional income-equal partnership, all representative of all, with freedom to follow conscience.
83
15/03/2021 13:45:56 0 0
bbc
Best defence democracy. Who says otherwise, witting or not abuses truth to tell lies. Who fails to commend REAL democracy risks part in disgrace and horror, in species self-destruction and worse, in the loss of potential on this Earth, in fatal rejection of leadership for this 'our' cosmos (the struggles of ages and worlds, maybe this cosmos, 'wasted': hope left with Ozymandias, between the lines.
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15/03/2021 13:08:27 69 10
bbc
"Match fit"?

This isn't a game of wiff waff, this is about the security of our country.

And I wouldn't trust the Tories with it, bearing in mind they've presided over a steady decline in the numbers & capabilities of our Armed Forces over the past 11 years.
84
15/03/2021 13:46:38 35 9
bbc
It doesnt matter what they do, people will still vote Tory come election day, despite this.
500
16/03/2021 07:58:17 3 0
bbc
The brain dead have been brain washed over decades by the Tory right wing press.
The Tories pander to their racism and foster division while giving just enough of the crumbs left over from selling off UK assets and mortgaging the countries future to buy OAP loyalty.

They young will be left to pick up the bill for generations to come.
513
16/03/2021 08:45:19 0 1
bbc
Another insult to the electorate. People will still vote Conservative because they are the best people to run the country.
556
16/03/2021 15:17:40 0 0
bbc
Yes, all the keyboard warrior from central lefty on here, just can't understand why they are so out of touch with the British people.
85
15/03/2021 13:46:56 8 2
bbc
More spaff from the king of Lies himself.

Give us one on the Met. 'police' BBC.

Ask why it's ok for footy fans.

We all know, but do try.
86
15/03/2021 13:47:55 7 2
bbc
Policeman arrested for murder of young woman.
Young women hold vigil
Police wade in with extreme prejudice.
Boris says "Oh look, a tank!"
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15/03/2021 14:05:34 1 1
bbc
Yep.
Policeman arrested for murder of a young woman.
Young women hold a illegal gathering.
Police do their job.
Boris says "Oh look a tank"
There corrected it for you. No charge.
Removed
55
15/03/2021 13:35:34 42 3
bbc
It will be a massive bung to his mates
87
15/03/2021 13:48:16 6 0
bbc
100%
88
15/03/2021 13:49:09 3 0
bbc
Is there any oak left then ?
73
15/03/2021 13:39:45 3 7
bbc
Further proof of what a nationalist hero Boris is ! Once again hes proved to be the best PM this county has ever had FACT ! But the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender !
89
15/03/2021 13:49:12 2 0
bbc
When you say nationalist do you equate to a fascist, because that is what the definition of a nationalist is.

Note to moderator, this is a legitimate question to the poster. He has either got his terminology wrong or....
78
15/03/2021 13:44:24 6 1
bbc
Britain is not a world power.

It does not need Trident, perhaps cut that and use the money on conventional arms and a bigger more interactive peace keeping role?
90
15/03/2021 13:49:40 0 2
bbc
Nah just seal Brussels under glass.
73
15/03/2021 13:39:45 3 7
bbc
Further proof of what a nationalist hero Boris is ! Once again hes proved to be the best PM this county has ever had FACT ! But the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender !
91
15/03/2021 13:51:10 1 0
bbc
You are nearly as good as me at this. 10/10
92
15/03/2021 13:51:13 4 1
bbc
Viva Brexit
13:39
"Further proof of what a nationalist hero Boris is ! Once again hes proved to be the best PM this county has ever had FACT ! But the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender" !

And you base this on what, the "porky pies" that he has told.
93
15/03/2021 13:51:16 6 0
bbc
Lets start by making the world a safer place by banning UK military arms sales!
127
15/03/2021 14:05:07 4 0
bbc
100% And Royalists can't complain - spirit of Di etc :)
the usual ragtag bunch of lefties, anti-capitalists, anti-conservatives, pacifists and conspiracy theorists.

very amusing. ??
Removed
104
15/03/2021 13:55:13 3 1
bbc
Translation: you have nothing useful to contribute to the debate.
122
15/03/2021 14:03:26 2 0
bbc
You don't have to be a leftie to be anti loon party.
124
15/03/2021 14:04:11 2 0
bbc
Just a wee bit off-topic no ?
Your best is our bin-liner.
81
15/03/2021 13:45:48 6 0
bbc
Tory Bot fake news!!
95
15/03/2021 13:52:12 2 0
bbc
Tony Blair left power years ago, whose been in charge since ? answer on back of HMG Fag packet please.....
108
15/03/2021 13:56:06 0 0
bbc
As I said his replacements didn't bother either .
Yes he left years ago thats why the army is using old equipment
??????????
96
15/03/2021 13:53:32 5 2
bbc
The Remoans of the Day
13:51
"the usual ragtag bunch of lefties, anti-capitalists, anti-conservatives, pacifists and conspiracy theorists".

You left off brexit liars.
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15/03/2021 13:31:43 7 3
bbc
We are now a second division country - we need to grow up and stop fetishizing the military. The best defence is to not alienate our nearest friends and allies - which is what we have been doing for the last five years.
97
15/03/2021 13:54:09 0 2
bbc
You mean hide.
98
15/03/2021 13:49:50 2 0
bbc
30 year old trucks and afv
That's fine in the Congo .
Russia not so good ha
????
119
15/03/2021 14:02:28 0 0
bbc
As in WW2, UK no longer world-stage. It was ok til we sold the natives guns . .
99
15/03/2021 13:50:15 0 5
bbc
These days the RAF and Royal Navy's only purpose is to provide a taxi service for the real fighting force- the Army!!!! Their other roles can now be carried out by missiles and drones!!!

But there is one man you can never replace in any Army no matter how hi-tech!!!! A well drilled Guardsman with a bayonet and rifle!!!! Best infantryman in the world!!!!
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15/03/2021 13:56:37 4 0
bbc
A well drilled Guardsman with a bayonet and rifle!!!! Best infantryman in the world!!!!

Is that why they are taught by the Scots, and drive around in tanks.....??
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15/03/2021 13:59:05 3 0
bbc
BAAAA said General Melchett
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15/03/2021 14:01:05 2 0
bbc
LOL - keep em coming! :)
128
15/03/2021 13:58:16 1 0
bbc
No good against a Russian Lazer guided missile systems
Fitted to a state of the art afv
78
15/03/2021 13:44:24 6 1
bbc
Britain is not a world power.

It does not need Trident, perhaps cut that and use the money on conventional arms and a bigger more interactive peace keeping role?
100
15/03/2021 13:50:50 2 0
bbc
Scrap the army as well

??????