Covid-19: NHS waits at record high as second wave hits care
11/03/2021 | news | health | 2,299
Scale of cancelled treatments is revealed with hospitals facing 'dire' backlog after Covid surge.
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11/03/2021 11:29:01 30 19
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What a mess.
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11/03/2021 11:57:47 9 16
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Trad tory.
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11/03/2021 11:31:08 55 50
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No need to panic, we are getting an extra £350 million a week for the NHS because of Brexit.
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11/03/2021 11:34:33 36 29
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That money is on the Tory Gravy Train.
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11/03/2021 12:16:46 6 8
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Get over it - you lost so move on
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11/03/2021 12:26:55 5 5
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The EU are still being paid money so we can escape.
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11/03/2021 12:36:20 6 6
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Arrested development from the irrelevant minority who lost the Referendum vote.
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11/03/2021 12:21:59 3 4
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It's had more than 350 million that's for sure. Try your 100K pen pushing managers for wastage. ??
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11/03/2021 12:42:24 1 5
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Well, £374M a week extra was signed off within Hammond's last budget.
Then another increase was signed off in Sunak's budget.
Then even more was signed off as part of the CV-19 response.
One thing that absolutely cannot be said, is that "promise" hasn't been delivered.
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11/03/2021 12:54:04 4 3
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A damn sight more than £350m per week is being put in at the moment........
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11/03/2021 11:31:59 8 8
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I have non-incapacitating things I am not even bothering going to the GP with at the moment. They can wait until the NHS doesn't have a so much more pressing priority.
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11/03/2021 11:32:01 36 37
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How much extra was it for the NHS on that bus? Brexiteers, you were fooled over and over again. 80 new hospitals, 50,000 more nurses, more Johnson lies. Did he 'get something done' for you? really?
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MJ
11/03/2021 11:33:58 25 18
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Johnson is a serial liar. He lied to Parliament yesterday, but you wouldn’t know it if you only read BBC news.
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11/03/2021 11:40:12 6 11
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So, you are blaming Brexit? What a complete load of rubbish.
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11/03/2021 11:47:25 9 4
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Yep, he got us away from the EU Vaccine procurement program thank God.
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11/03/2021 11:55:16 6 6
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The £350 million has been delivered, and you might like to compare the UK vaccination program with the shambles in the EU. How long do you think it takes to train nurses? Do you have any respect for their skills at all? Recruitment is sharply up- and please explain how you could build eighty hospitals in a pandemic, and who would staff them if the nurses have yet to be trained?
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11/03/2021 12:19:07 1 1
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You must have a sad life. This would have happened Brexit or not.
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11/03/2021 11:32:03 470 70
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Even now it is proving hard work contacting my GP. I have as good as given up. It is very strange how I can take the pooch to the vet with no issue, have a plumber in my home, but see a GP face to face, don't be silly.
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11/03/2021 11:45:32 126 51
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No issue wth my GP in Aberdeen. She's been great and I have attended the surgery a couple of times when she has asked to see me. First class service and I feel confident knowing someone is looking out for me.
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11/03/2021 11:45:55 94 16
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Absolutely right. I also don't understand why GPs get to opt out of seeing patients. I bet there is a load of misdiagnosing going on. Another unseen consequence of all this. Hospital staff don't have the luxury of locking themselves away to avoid the virus.
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11/03/2021 11:52:10 24 39
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Your GP is not part of the NHS.
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11/03/2021 11:58:44 26 5
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Yes you have hit the nail on the head the difference being payment!
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11/03/2021 12:03:21 50 13
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One particular 99 year is having no problem getting mediacl treatment.
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KRD
11/03/2021 12:03:25 39 4
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Well of course you have to pay out hard-earned cash to take your dog to the vet or get a plumber.
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11/03/2021 12:04:18 21 10
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I tested positive for COVID. I am clinically extremely vulnerable and heard nothing from my GP who I presume (?) was made aware.

I luckily avoided hospital but I rang the GP after 2 weeks saying I felt absolutely dreadful and they offered to sign me off for 2 weeks. I haven't heard a peep from them since (other than offering me the jab 3 days after the local council sent me a link to book it).
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11/03/2021 12:05:44 21 1
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One of my GPs in the practice I am registered with did my Covid injection. She said all the GPs are on a rota and do 1.1.5 days a week at the vaccine centre.
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Trs
11/03/2021 12:07:41 13 13
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Don't worry, if MH has his way, you won't be able to afford to go to see your 'privatised' GP soon.
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11/03/2021 12:08:04 20 15
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Son had problem with foot. Couldn't walk on it but NHS closed to everything other than covid. Had to pay £300 to go private. Had operation within 2 weeks.
I wonder how many MPs, and sage have private medical insurance. Might explain why not bothered about consequences of lockdown
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11/03/2021 12:10:45 36 1
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GPs are independent healthcare providers, and like all businesses you will get truly appalling ones, and absolutely amazing ones.
Just remember that they are not all the same, so don't tar them all with the same brush.

Also, if you genuinely aren't getting the service that is required by the GP contract, then complain to the Clinical Commissioning Group that award the GP contracts.
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11/03/2021 12:14:29 11 4
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I guess it depends where you live. Where I am there is no problem.
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11/03/2021 12:15:46 10 3
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My GP services have been all available and have all been excellent.
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11/03/2021 12:18:02 4 0
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Not here, rang my surgery yesterday, popped in an hour later.
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11/03/2021 12:20:23 4 0
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Maybe you just have a poor local surgery. They do exist.
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11/03/2021 12:22:49 5 0
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no issues with my GP.
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11/03/2021 12:27:18 10 2
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It does feel like the receptionists at GP practices are like the Sphinx, and if you can't answer the riddle, then you don't see a doctor
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11/03/2021 12:27:52 3 4
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How good was your GP service before covid? I don't know anyone who hasn't been able to get in contact with our GP surgery and all have been attended to. Sensibly very few face-to-face appts but telephone calls and some zooms! Also the nurses and local hosps have been doing tests as required. Great service considering the pandemic.
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11/03/2021 12:28:54 13 0
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The replies to this tell the whole story. Those lucky enough to have a good GP belittle the comment. Those of us who are unlucky enough to have a lazy GP, like me, totally agree. Getting to see him is almost impossible, until I phoned 111. The ambulance crew phoned my GP (after I had tried and failed) and told him to see me that day as it was a GP matter. He did. Those who have a good GP take note
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11/03/2021 12:30:54 1 10
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Just a scare story, coupled with the policy of opening things up early to deliberately cause a spike so they can try and justify keeping us in lockdown for the rest of the year ... as Covid is conveniently masking the effects of poor economic performance due to Brexit
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11/03/2021 12:33:57 6 0
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several times this last year, contacted my local surgery, and only Practice Nurses
available.. did speak to one GP, some months back, and she said "what do you want
me to do?" when I reported a physical problem, then said , "I am working from home"
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11/03/2021 12:36:40 3 0
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No issue with my NHS GP surgery.
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11/03/2021 12:44:03 2 5
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Our GP practice set up a phone appointment service and they have been great. If needs be after call and they need to see you you get a F2F but I'd say most of the diagnosis's and issuing of medication has been spot on over the phone. I think what the NHS has been doing throughout this period has been fantastic and they should be praised and supported
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11/03/2021 12:48:33 1 0
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Before I left it was easy- ring or put in an econsult, have someone call you back or a face to face within 24 hours - that was the West Midlands.

My sister managed to get a same day face to facein London last week.

?????
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11/03/2021 12:48:38 4 6
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65 million + people in the UK!
GPs have always been under pressure - this covid-19 has only exacerbated the problem.
I and my family have had very few problems contacting the GP
I think you ought to
a) Be grateful that you're not in a 3rd world country (or America) where the medical service is often dire
b) Perhaps have a word with YOUR GP explaining your issue.
Unjustified and unhelpful post!
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11/03/2021 12:51:13 5 3
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See a GP? That's a joke! Even before Covid you had join a queue on the phone to speak to a receptionist. If you were lucky you got an appointment. When you turned up at the practice you got to see a person who pretended to be a doctor but was actually a practice nurse. And she prescribed the same eye drops, recommended by our local pharmacist, that didn't work! Absolutely useless.
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MJ
11/03/2021 11:32:16 11 18
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Yet the hardworking staff are only worth a pay cut.
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11/03/2021 11:32:18 4 21
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And shutting down the country was to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed... May as well have not bothered.
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11/03/2021 11:34:42 10 3
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"May as well have not bothered."

And how well would that have turned out?
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11/03/2021 11:50:01 3 3
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thick
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11/03/2021 11:52:00 4 1
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If we hadn't bothered, it would have been 10 times worse.
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11/03/2021 11:32:20 17 15
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Sad, but understandable.
It's a world wide issue, not just the UK
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11/03/2021 11:52:13 4 13
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Not so much in Australia... depends how each nation reacted early on to minimise the longer term impact.
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11/03/2021 11:57:23 1 0
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So was the crash in 2008, but that didn't stop Labour being blamed.
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11/03/2021 11:32:33 13 12
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Just thank your lucky stars you aren't here in France. If you think the UK bungled any of this, you have no idea how badly France is doing. There are no vaccine doses available here, no lockdown, no restaurants or bars, but an increasing infection rate and hospitals are cancelling as much as they can get away with. FR Govt is confident, FR people aren't.
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11/03/2021 11:49:02 2 5
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" There are no vaccine doses available here, no lockdown, no restaurants or bars,' ...when you tell fibs based on what you see from the UK ....learn to be consistent....
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11/03/2021 11:32:48 4 7
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While this comes as no surprise it will be interesting to see how well the Regions fare once the vaccination programme is complete.
I hope Boris catches up in England.
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11/03/2021 11:33:18 18 16
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The more Covid is allowed to sweep through our country the more the NHS will get overloaded and people will have the wait for appointments.

I am in favour of the controlled relaxation of the rules as we are currently doing as I believe it will be better in the long term and avoid risking going in and out lockdowns in the future.
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11/03/2021 11:48:22 9 4
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So what about last summer when rules were relaxed and Covid WASN'T sweeping through the country, what about the non-Covid cases then..?
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11/03/2021 11:48:48 1 10
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So true.

And as the Labour Party say, you can only imagine how far back in the queue those from BAME backgrounds are given the institutional racism in the NHS. Be interesting to see that data!
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11/03/2021 11:28:52 19 24
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Mate with tinnitus has just been told he has to wait SIXTEEN MONTHS to see an NHS consultant.

So let's Clap For Boris.

......a slow clap, that is.
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11/03/2021 11:37:12 14 12
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So, you are blaming the government for the pandemic?
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11/03/2021 11:45:44 5 2
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At least with tinnitus he won't suffer in silence
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11/03/2021 11:57:10 1 3
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Boris is clapped out already
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11/03/2021 12:02:19 1 1
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Big deal. That reflects its minor issue status.
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11/03/2021 11:33:40 2 8
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I hope this government and future governments (Tory and Labour) are going to address this situation. I don't understand why the Nightingale hospitals weren't used in this wave. Was it through lack of available staff? It's hard not to ask the question : why have all these other patients been put on the 'back burner'? I don't know the answer, that's for sure.
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11/03/2021 11:51:50 3 3
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Cuts to NHS and removing nursery for training nurses has caused immense staffing problems. This was a decision by this Government to cut back the NHS.
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11/03/2021 12:04:02 1 0
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The average "acute and general" bed use in Eng was c95k, cf 100k admiss and c40K peak covid use.

ICUs, wards etc split, and SD etc lower total.

NHS only just coped in Jan as had increased critical care capacity over summer, still 30% trusts hit bed limit in dec jan, c10 for over 7d, moving patients etc.

Govt - and all rule breakers -should be ashamed for failing to respect the virus.
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11/03/2021 12:07:39 1 0
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Yes, lack of available staff. 40,000 nursing vacancies before the pandemic started will not have helped.
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11/03/2021 11:32:01 36 37
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How much extra was it for the NHS on that bus? Brexiteers, you were fooled over and over again. 80 new hospitals, 50,000 more nurses, more Johnson lies. Did he 'get something done' for you? really?
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MJ
11/03/2021 11:33:58 25 18
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Johnson is a serial liar. He lied to Parliament yesterday, but you wouldn’t know it if you only read BBC news.
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11/03/2021 12:15:18 3 2
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He lied to us all yesterday, PMQs is the only open forum where the electorate can get their issues raised, debated & answered. His utter disrespect for the parliamentary process & ministerial code should be headline news today but our Corporate owned / serving media have deliberately swerved it

If a PM can do this & face no scrutiny / backlash then this country is finished, there is no democracy
CJR
11/03/2021 13:33:44 0 0
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I seem to remember Sir Keir doing the same,
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11/03/2021 11:34:07 5 12
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If the backlog is that bad, why are they closing the Nightingale Hospitals?
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11/03/2021 11:35:42 15 4
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No one to staff them.
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11/03/2021 11:36:18 7 1
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Because it is easy to convert big spaces into temporary hospitals, but training staff takes rather longer...
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11/03/2021 11:36:43 4 1
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The Nightingale Hospital are not set up for surgery.
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11/03/2021 12:11:50 0 0
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Vaccination.

But most nightingale were really only configured for basic recouperation and low volume oxygen care.

Not large ICU or any real surgical capacity, and nhs already had to rob latter capacity in many acute care hospitals for ICU space - converting theatres - and moving staff.

Take it as a good sign closing, shows some faith vaccination working.
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11/03/2021 11:31:08 55 50
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No need to panic, we are getting an extra £350 million a week for the NHS because of Brexit.
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11/03/2021 11:34:33 36 29
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That money is on the Tory Gravy Train.
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11/03/2021 11:32:18 4 21
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And shutting down the country was to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed... May as well have not bothered.
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11/03/2021 11:34:42 10 3
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"May as well have not bothered."

And how well would that have turned out?
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11/03/2021 11:43:16 1 8
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Probably not as bad as this. Wake up.
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11/03/2021 11:35:25 14 10
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I am one of the people whose treatment has been delayed since January 2000 by Covid. However I fully understand and accept that saving lives has to come before treatment for non-life threatening issues. May have to look at going private to get the operations I need.
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11/03/2021 11:50:44 5 0
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Gosh that's a long wait. Hope you get there in the end.
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11/03/2021 11:34:07 5 12
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If the backlog is that bad, why are they closing the Nightingale Hospitals?
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11/03/2021 11:35:42 15 4
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No one to staff them.
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11/03/2021 11:36:05 11 6
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Thankfully people I know who have needed urgent treatment have had it, and hopefully now we are moving forward the NHS can catch up with backlogs Covid has caused.
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11/03/2021 11:34:07 5 12
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If the backlog is that bad, why are they closing the Nightingale Hospitals?
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11/03/2021 11:36:18 7 1
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Because it is easy to convert big spaces into temporary hospitals, but training staff takes rather longer...
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11/03/2021 11:53:46 1 2
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Lots of staff available, the nhs wouldn't take them back
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11/03/2021 11:34:07 5 12
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If the backlog is that bad, why are they closing the Nightingale Hospitals?
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11/03/2021 11:36:43 4 1
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The Nightingale Hospital are not set up for surgery.
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11/03/2021 11:28:52 19 24
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Mate with tinnitus has just been told he has to wait SIXTEEN MONTHS to see an NHS consultant.

So let's Clap For Boris.

......a slow clap, that is.
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11/03/2021 11:37:12 14 12
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So, you are blaming the government for the pandemic?
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11/03/2021 11:48:51 9 4
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For the way they have underfunded the NHS and for the decisions they have made in dealing with the pandemi- yes.
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11/03/2021 11:56:10 5 1
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Covid's made an already bad situation worse. The NHS, like the justice system where for many it's a four-year wait for bringing cases to trial, has been failed for ten years.
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11/03/2021 11:47:43 4 3
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Nope. The NHS was underfunded by the Tories long before Covid came along.
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11/03/2021 12:20:54 0 2
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Due to there ridiculously slow response at the start, I think there's a great deal of blame, for the pandemic, that can be laid at their door..........?
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11/03/2021 11:31:29 2 10
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But if you’ve got covid .....

Too medical care & a tik tok front row seat ????
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In the near distant future.....

I’m sorry we can’t treat you because the list is to big and if your not part of the Bame community it could be seen as
Racial preferential treatment
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11/03/2021 11:53:42 1 2
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Racist. "We can't treat you because of government cuts."
But if you have the money to go private, you can be treated tomorrow.
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11/03/2021 11:40:03 112 94
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A decade of cuts, the massive shortage of specialist staff and a Government that failed to act at the beginning of the pandemic. With full staffing, some could have been moved to the Nightingale hospitals that have cost so much. This would have allowed the continued use of hospitals for other illnesses. Yes Covid has been the problem but this Government has been the cause of how bad things got.
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11/03/2021 11:48:05 148 77
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The NHS has had real term funding increases since the Tories have been in power since 2010. I suggest you read some real information rather than listen to the middle class trendies on social media.

The reason the NHS is in the state it is in is because the whole system is apocalyptically inefficient, and not fit for purpose. The sooner people realise, the better.
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11/03/2021 11:52:00 37 20
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This has nothing to do with cuts. The nhs has failed to recruit qualified nurses and drs to help in the pandemic. I personally know 3 who have applied and not been bought back to help out. Sadly the NHS is a bureaucracy that has failed to prevent us going into a 3rd lockdown. Full of hardworking individuals but with too many pen pushes .
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11/03/2021 11:57:09 11 13
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So could the NHS consider using some of the £35million public money raised by Captain Tom to help go towards their NHS nurses pay rise demand.
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11/03/2021 12:51:07 2 1
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The government has INCREASED NHS funding higher every year than the amount the NHS asked for. The biggest NHS waste of funds is LABOURS Hospital PFI scheme.
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11/03/2021 13:12:05 2 1
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It would not have been any different whichever political party was in power.
11/03/2021 13:45:42 1 1
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Can you detail the NHS cuts which you allege to have taken place in the last ten years? Please quote the figures for health spending and NHS recruitment in your factually correct answer.
11/03/2021 14:20:05 1 1
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Pure, unadulterated tripe. Standard serving from the left sadly.
Why do the left always blame others? It's pathetic.
11/03/2021 14:26:44 1 0
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So you don't believe in personal responsibility? All the fault of government, not of the people who ignored the rules and didn't follow the advice?
11/03/2021 20:12:36 0 0
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The NHS is not fit for purpose in the 21st century. Throwing money at it won't change that. NHS trust managers are often useless, but get paid stupid money while front line staff suffer. The NHS is in dire need of a top-to-bottom overhaul or it will self-impload eventually.
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11/03/2021 11:32:01 36 37
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How much extra was it for the NHS on that bus? Brexiteers, you were fooled over and over again. 80 new hospitals, 50,000 more nurses, more Johnson lies. Did he 'get something done' for you? really?
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11/03/2021 11:40:12 6 11
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So, you are blaming Brexit? What a complete load of rubbish.
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11/03/2021 11:34:42 10 3
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"May as well have not bothered."

And how well would that have turned out?
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11/03/2021 11:43:16 1 8
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Probably not as bad as this. Wake up.
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11/03/2021 11:54:23 5 2
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We might eventually get a cure for Covid. Probably wont get one for stupid.
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11/03/2021 12:12:21 2 0
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With covid case numbers rapidly rising (until the start of each lockdown) precisely how would you expect the hospitals to continue functioning?
How many covid patients would you accept into hospital, or would you just turn them away in order to complete other treatments?
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11/03/2021 12:12:28 3 1
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Funnily enough, I am awake, and I don't think you'd recognise a clue if it bit you where you sit down....

After all the NHS wasn't overwhelemd - quite!

How do you think hospitals would have coped with even 50% more cases than the January peak?
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11/03/2021 11:44:23 122 84
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Many people predicted that the effect of blunt lockdowns and following tunnel visioned scientific advice, both economically and on our general and mental health, would cost a lot more lives.
They may well be right.
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11/03/2021 11:50:04 139 92
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They're undoubtedly wrong. The consequences of not locking down would be an order of magnitude worse in terms of direct deaths, indirect deaths and suffering, and economic fallout, than the lockdowns we've had.
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11/03/2021 11:59:43 22 13
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So your position is that the NHS stopped treating serious conditions because of lockdown?
Not that critical covid cases impacted on their ability to deal with serious but not immediately critical conditions?
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11/03/2021 12:04:06 19 24
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With 50k new covid cases being reported each day how long do you think hospitals would have been able to carry out any kind of normal service? Clueless.
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11/03/2021 12:08:09 16 22
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But of course the alternative was far worse. No lockdown would have lead to many, many more deaths, and the NHS even more tied up.
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VoR
11/03/2021 12:13:49 5 10
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It's actually very clear that they are wrong. Don't forget, mental health suffers if you are surrounded by death and newly incurred disability too.
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11/03/2021 12:15:56 7 6
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Only time will tell, once we have seen the cancer and other death rates over the next 5 years we'll know what the true cost of Covid and our response to it has been.

That will then raise the question - if it proven that someone's ill informed decision has indirectly killed people, are they responsible for a form of Social Murder?
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11/03/2021 12:18:11 0 3
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Ow that Mental Elf.
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11/03/2021 12:22:54 3 6
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Brazil is turning into a good example of what happens without lockdowns. Thanks for the P1 variant Manaus
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11/03/2021 12:52:02 2 0
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The deaths of people who did not receive care or operations due to the pandemic is not disputed and indicates there is not enough capacity in the NHS to treat them AND manage the pandemic. Do you support increasing its' resources?
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11/03/2021 13:00:46 1 1
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Its entirely possible to drive infection numbers right down and keep them there, avoiding ongoing social, health and economic downsides. Even China pulled this off, despite being first up and thus having no advance warning.

UK (and many others) had poor outcomes with half-hearted containment strategies. Care to point out any success stories with laissez-faire?
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11/03/2021 11:44:24 15 26
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Interesting to see all the usual suspects blaming the government and brexit. When will you all just move on and get behind your own country? The fact is the pandemic is the reason for this mess and the effect on all our lives.
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11/03/2021 11:46:21 7 3
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Always someone else to blame, accept zero responsibility. There’s deluded and then there’s the duped shills of the erg lot
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11/03/2021 11:47:42 2 0
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"blaming the government and brexit"?

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I think most people can see that Covid is the reason.
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11/03/2021 11:50:23 1 2
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Fed by the BBC, lapped up by the HYS blame squad.
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11/03/2021 11:51:42 3 1
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This isn't about failing to get behind our own country, it's about the untold damage that the ten years of cuts to everything that made us a civilised country has done. The slow-burn catastrophe of Brexit is entirely the responsibility of the Tories. 75% of small businesses really struggling right now, with further rules and paperwork in the pipeline. The costs of that will soon be obvious.
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11/03/2021 12:01:32 1 1
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The fact is there were 40,000 nursing vacancies at the start of the pandemic.
My local hospital has permanently closed the A&E overnight due to staff shortages.
Pre-Brexit the local NHS Trust had been trying to recruit nurses from Spain and Portugal.
Brexit - the gift that will just keep giving, for years, so we will not get over it.
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11/03/2021 11:45:21 12 15
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Covid hasn’t helped but most of these were waiting before it all collapsed due to government incompetence. This is due to a decade of cuts and staff shortages.

Thankfully no government would be as inept to make the situation worse by offering pay cuts to nurses after promising and twice delaying a pay rise. That would be insane
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11/03/2021 11:50:55 5 2
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What would be insane right now would be paying 12.5% more for the same service.
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11/03/2021 11:59:09 1 1
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Yes 40,000 nursing vacancies to start with.
We will need to recruit more nurses, but Brexit will have made that more difficult.
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11/03/2021 11:45:28 52 39
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I wonder how much of this anguish could have been avoided if the relentless fear mongering had been less extreme. I certainly know several people who were put off from accessing NHS services as a result.
There's a lot of sense in this GP's article about how to improve matters in the future.
https://forums.lockdownsceptics.org/viewtopic.php?p=8643#p8643
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11/03/2021 11:54:58 34 34
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Aaah lockdown sceptics with Toby Young who said wards were empty when posting a picture of Guantanamo Bay from c 2012. Think maybe you should get some help now Ziggee
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11/03/2021 12:06:30 6 5
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I wonder how much could have been avoided if we weren't leading the world in covid cases for several months thanks to lockdown sceptic idiots downplaying the pandemic?
989
11/03/2021 13:20:36 3 2
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Sounds a really impartial website. Have you got a link to a flat earther one as well?
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11/03/2021 11:32:03 470 70
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Even now it is proving hard work contacting my GP. I have as good as given up. It is very strange how I can take the pooch to the vet with no issue, have a plumber in my home, but see a GP face to face, don't be silly.
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11/03/2021 11:45:32 126 51
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No issue wth my GP in Aberdeen. She's been great and I have attended the surgery a couple of times when she has asked to see me. First class service and I feel confident knowing someone is looking out for me.
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11/03/2021 11:48:26 94 31
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You’re a minority.
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11/03/2021 12:25:39 2 3
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This article is for NHS England. NHS Scotland has far more cash to spend, hence improved services. Thank the Barnett formula.
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11/03/2021 12:38:52 10 2
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Count yourself fortunate, this is not the case for many. Boasting about how good a service you receive rather rubs salt in the wound to those of us who do not have a good GP and you do not seem in the least sympathetic! So, what was the point in posting? Rather seems like "I'm alright Jack". I am glad someone is looking out for you, you are ok then, never mind anybody else.
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11/03/2021 12:52:13 3 5
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Well, arent you the lucky one. What a rare thing.
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11/03/2021 11:28:52 19 24
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Mate with tinnitus has just been told he has to wait SIXTEEN MONTHS to see an NHS consultant.

So let's Clap For Boris.

......a slow clap, that is.
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11/03/2021 11:45:44 5 2
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At least with tinnitus he won't suffer in silence
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11/03/2021 11:45:46 20 18
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Don't worry. Johnsons mythical £350 million a week will sort it all.
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11/03/2021 11:48:16 8 8
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It has already been delivered, in addition to all the COVID spending. Do try to keep up.
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11/03/2021 11:49:59 4 3
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Way more than that been invested already.
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11/03/2021 11:32:03 470 70
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Even now it is proving hard work contacting my GP. I have as good as given up. It is very strange how I can take the pooch to the vet with no issue, have a plumber in my home, but see a GP face to face, don't be silly.
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11/03/2021 11:45:55 94 16
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Absolutely right. I also don't understand why GPs get to opt out of seeing patients. I bet there is a load of misdiagnosing going on. Another unseen consequence of all this. Hospital staff don't have the luxury of locking themselves away to avoid the virus.
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11/03/2021 11:44:24 15 26
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Interesting to see all the usual suspects blaming the government and brexit. When will you all just move on and get behind your own country? The fact is the pandemic is the reason for this mess and the effect on all our lives.
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11/03/2021 11:46:21 7 3
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Always someone else to blame, accept zero responsibility. There’s deluded and then there’s the duped shills of the erg lot
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11/03/2021 11:46:42 2 5
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I thought the idea of the very first lockdown was to delay things until the summer when Covid cases were at their lowest so things like this didn't happen. Obviously you cant predict ahead of time, but why weren't non-covid cases brought forward?

As the proverb goes, make hay whilst the sun shines..
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11/03/2021 11:47:11 2 17
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Horrified, this is murder if not a genocide !!!!!!!!
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11/03/2021 11:51:01 7 1
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what an idiotic post
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11/03/2021 12:00:56 1 0
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Woo, drama queen.
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11/03/2021 11:47:13 3 12
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I was told I would have to wait 18 months to have a tooth extracted. What NHS?
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11/03/2021 11:49:17 8 0
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Thats weird. I went last week for a Wisdom tooth infection. Treated with medication, NHS extraction booked for two weeks from now. I guess they just dont like you.
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11/03/2021 11:51:41 1 0
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The same NHS the Ministry of Propaganda asks you to clap for and show sympathy to the 1% pay offer.
Like you say.
What NHS?
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mc
11/03/2021 11:55:34 1 0
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nhs is not a dentist, this is where our money is wasted and other silly ops
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11/03/2021 12:01:30 2 0
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Dentists are not NHS. Some take NHS patients who pay the NHS banded rates for treatment. I have been waiting for a dentist for over a year but was told I could be treated privately as an emergency patient within days, if I could travel several miles and afford to pay.
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11/03/2021 11:47:19 6 4
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Went on "urgent list" for disc operation on 1st Dec. Looks like I'll be walking with a stick and taking painkillers for a while yet. Had COVID too in the meantime. Not a fun period.
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11/03/2021 11:32:01 36 37
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How much extra was it for the NHS on that bus? Brexiteers, you were fooled over and over again. 80 new hospitals, 50,000 more nurses, more Johnson lies. Did he 'get something done' for you? really?
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11/03/2021 11:47:25 9 4
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Yep, he got us away from the EU Vaccine procurement program thank God.
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11/03/2021 11:44:24 15 26
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Interesting to see all the usual suspects blaming the government and brexit. When will you all just move on and get behind your own country? The fact is the pandemic is the reason for this mess and the effect on all our lives.
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11/03/2021 11:47:42 2 0
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"blaming the government and brexit"?

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I think most people can see that Covid is the reason.
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11/03/2021 11:47:44 41 18
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You can die of anything apart from Coronavirus.....
If you want to catch covid 19 go to hospital.... Removed
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11/03/2021 11:56:59 0 0
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But according to some the hospitals should not be treating people with Covid 19
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11/03/2021 12:00:06 0 1
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Apart from those 40,000 (and counting), of course.
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11/03/2021 12:09:35 3 1
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The government don't care if you die of anything else as there isn't an itemised daily breakdown in the BBC.

The sensationalist headline writers only care about deaths 'with' COVID and the government cave in to the loudest tweet every time with unnecessary and damaging restrictions.
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11/03/2021 12:07:48 0 2
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What a stupid comment, beds are finite, obviously filling them up with covid cases where someone needs urgent, immediate treatment leaves less space for other things that might be less pressing.
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11/03/2021 11:40:03 112 94
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A decade of cuts, the massive shortage of specialist staff and a Government that failed to act at the beginning of the pandemic. With full staffing, some could have been moved to the Nightingale hospitals that have cost so much. This would have allowed the continued use of hospitals for other illnesses. Yes Covid has been the problem but this Government has been the cause of how bad things got.
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Ben
11/03/2021 11:48:05 148 77
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The NHS has had real term funding increases since the Tories have been in power since 2010. I suggest you read some real information rather than listen to the middle class trendies on social media.

The reason the NHS is in the state it is in is because the whole system is apocalyptically inefficient, and not fit for purpose. The sooner people realise, the better.
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11/03/2021 11:56:00 44 35
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The Tories hav had 11 years to fix the NHS - just like they had 11 years to review planning for a pandemic. They failed on all counts
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11/03/2021 11:58:16 37 9
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Don't forget all the labour led PFI built new hospital's that many of which are undersized and cost the NHS stupid ammount in rent each year
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11/03/2021 11:58:43 28 11
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Real funding increases are fine but when demand is increasing with an increasing and ageing population, the levels we have seen in the last ten years are historically low and not sufficient.

Can you provide links to the inefficiency of the NHS to other healthcare costs in other countries, particularly looking forward to your US stats........
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11/03/2021 12:05:30 21 1
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There were 40,000 nursing vacancies at the start of the crisis which will have had a major impact on the NHS ability to deal with it.
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11/03/2021 12:05:31 36 23
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Stop peddling lies, the amount of money the NHS received in real terms since 2010 has been cut considerably. Increases in anything (funding, pay rises etc) that are below inflation means your worse off
In the first 70yrs the NHS budget increased on avg 3.7% yr on yr, since 2010 its less than half that at 1.5%, that despite huge growing demand.
The Tories - penny wise but pound foolish
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11/03/2021 12:06:14 4 17
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5p more a year is, I suppose a real term funding increase and entitles them to say so. You're talking c**p otherwise.
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11/03/2021 12:11:50 20 2
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The most glaring inefficiencies are those associated with the disruption and massive increase in middle-management and bureaucracy caused by the mania for outsourcing/privatisation - heartily encouraged by this (and previous) governments, including under Toby Blair. My partner works for the NHS, and has been watching this car-crash unfolding in her own department.
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11/03/2021 12:15:03 8 1
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Having been treated for the first time in my life by the NHS over the last year or so or so, I've come to realise how fantastic the service is and how kind, caring and effective all the staff I dealt with were in making me well again. I certainly found it fit for purpose when I needed it.
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11/03/2021 12:17:23 8 3
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If you don't like the NHS, move to America - IF you can take a lot of money with you...
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11/03/2021 12:17:43 5 5
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Define “real term” as its a soundbite from Tory politicians without any evidence. However you might be able to supply this, so I wait your reply.
Somehow though......
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11/03/2021 12:19:25 5 3
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Yes it has, but with community care funding cut the NHS has been given a massive burden. Speak to anyone who actually knows what they're talking about and they'll tell you the hospital beds are full of people that don't need to be there.

I suggest you stop bootlicking and realise that the Tories are purposely driving the narrative of "not fit for purpose" so they can hand out private contracts
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dog
11/03/2021 12:19:28 6 7
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Very true.
My wife works as a Band 2 admin for the NHS and has attended the workplace throughout the pandemic. All the ' management' have 'worked from home' throughout!! Must be tough knocking back all that wine inbetween replying to a couple of emails! Disgraceful.
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11/03/2021 12:21:08 9 1
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Also they are still paying off the debts pushed on to them by Brown with his ludicrous PFI building and managing of hospitals. In effect he privatised lots of hospitals for 30 years.
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11/03/2021 12:32:07 8 1
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I disagree. The funding problem is inherent and goes right back to 1947. The contract with doctors was partly to blame, their private income had to be guaranteed to stop them departing for the USA or refusing to work for the NHS - bit like private v state schools. If the private system were less privileged and didn't skim off the cream, the state one would perform better.
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11/03/2021 12:15:53 4 4
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Absolutely agree totally mis managed far to many middle managers
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11/03/2021 12:54:12 2 1
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Private provision is monstrously inefficient, hives off resource to pay shareholders and only deals with people who can pay. Look at the US. Is that what you want?
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11/03/2021 12:59:53 2 0
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Oh, I see.
Lets all adopt the US system, where, if you have money, you're OK - and if not "TOUGH"!
11/03/2021 13:58:12 1 0
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Ben ! The pathetic shambles of Track+ Trace has expended more public money than ALL the other services added up together-Irrespective of one's party politics of of one's 'Trendiness' (whatever that means..!) This fiasco-headed up by a crony of those in power is inexcusable! Without question! Peter The Writer.
11/03/2021 14:13:49 1 0
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Very true, and many of those on the 'front line' know it, but they also know that speak up and they would be sheep to the slaughter. Ever remember the Bristol Heart Scandal? The doctor who blew the whistle on that had to emigrate to get work - IF that can happen to a consultant what chance has a nurse or more junior doctor of surviving any whistle blowing? Or Anne Clwyd, Labour MP who slated NHS?
11/03/2021 14:37:33 0 1
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You really need to check about NHS funding other than a Tory website, try going on the non-political Office of National Statistics to see what funding the NHS has had since the 1960's it will change your point of view.... Sorry it won't change your point of view because you won't believe it and dismiss it as fake...
11/03/2021 15:30:52 1 0
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Ben- Instead of re-spouting stuff you heard in a pub/social media/papers, try reading a few facts instead.

. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/healthcaresystem/articles/howdoesukhealthcarespendingcomparewithothercountries/2019-08-29

Section 7 & table 5 - Comparison of OECD countries - Management & Governance. NHS is in fact one of the most efficient
11/03/2021 16:21:08 0 0
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Spot on..
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11/03/2021 11:45:46 20 18
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Don't worry. Johnsons mythical £350 million a week will sort it all.
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11/03/2021 11:48:16 8 8
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It has already been delivered, in addition to all the COVID spending. Do try to keep up.
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Ben
11/03/2021 11:51:04 4 5
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They don't understand, but yes Johnson did lie about £350m a week to the NHS. Instead we pay almost £390m a week to the NHS. Whole thing is a bottomless money pit. Could give it a billion a week and it still would lack efficiency.
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11/03/2021 11:52:36 4 4
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Your evidence of additional 360 million a week spending on NHS would be very welcome
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11/03/2021 11:57:21 6 2
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We went into the pandemic with 40,000 nursing vacancies which will have made dealing with covid more difficult.
Now where are we going to import, sorry, recruit these extra nurses we need, as Brexit will make that more difficult?
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11/03/2021 12:01:40 3 1
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You're funny.
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Pip
11/03/2021 12:15:24 3 1
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Methinks the forlorn promise of £350m was well before the Pandemic. Do try to keep up..........?
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11/03/2021 11:33:18 18 16
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The more Covid is allowed to sweep through our country the more the NHS will get overloaded and people will have the wait for appointments.

I am in favour of the controlled relaxation of the rules as we are currently doing as I believe it will be better in the long term and avoid risking going in and out lockdowns in the future.
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11/03/2021 11:48:22 9 4
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So what about last summer when rules were relaxed and Covid WASN'T sweeping through the country, what about the non-Covid cases then..?
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11/03/2021 12:09:27 1 1
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There were many acute beds occupied long term by covid patients, in fact there still are.
And many NHS staff will themselves have been shielding.
But then you knew that anyway.
11/03/2021 15:07:43 0 0
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The rules were only relaxed a little. There were no live sporting events, pop concerts etc. Even the theatres remained closed. You may want that to continue, but I don't. We need to lift ALL restrictions at the earliest opportunity. That can only be done safely when we have achieved herd immunity.

We could of course adopt a passport system in the meantime based on testing or vaccine status.
Why is this the only HYS on the BBC? It just plays to the narrative that the BBC has an agenda.

I used to think the BBC was unbiased, but by default the HYS it chooses to allow, is about them controlling the conversation. It's censorship really.

Open up all articles to HYS, and this debate goes away. But that would be true freedom of speech, so we can't have that.
Removed
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11/03/2021 11:56:09 1 0
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Agree. No HYS on Meghan/Harry or Piers Morgan. Why? The race factor no doubt. And that's why it needs to be discussed.
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11/03/2021 11:57:31 1 0
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No we can't . Not about race , Royalty , cash for contracts , delays in COVID response, Brexit .
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11/03/2021 11:59:01 0 2
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But of course you have perfect freedom to discuss issues raised by BBC articles on the forum of your choice. Yes, it does seem a bit random which articles get a HYS, but clearly some areas are a no-go (race, for example, where any "discussion" turns ugly and toxic very quickly, which serves no-one).

Ultimately, "unbiased" is in the eye of the beholder.
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11/03/2021 11:45:32 126 51
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No issue wth my GP in Aberdeen. She's been great and I have attended the surgery a couple of times when she has asked to see me. First class service and I feel confident knowing someone is looking out for me.
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11/03/2021 11:48:26 94 31
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You’re a minority.
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11/03/2021 11:53:31 33 13
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Our General Practice surgery has been first class. So has the NHS service in our area.
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11/03/2021 12:14:57 9 0
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I'm OK in Wiltshire!
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11/03/2021 11:48:41 180 51
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You will not be turned away if you need urgent attention - think yourself lucky you are not in the US !
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11/03/2021 11:59:02 99 66
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Or the majority of other European countries where Covid cases are still on the increase.
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xlr
11/03/2021 12:51:24 15 3
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Or Brazil, which has decided to deny there is an epidemic at all, and is mere days from falling apart.
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11/03/2021 12:56:00 4 2
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Exactly, Davey!
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11/03/2021 13:02:42 12 3
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Never really understood the, things are worse elsewhere so they can't be better here, logic. I do think myself lucky we don't have a US style healthcare system, but that doesn't mean we should stop improving the NHS. This also falls into the classic tory cycle of under-fund something, claim it doesn't work then privatise it. We then end up with US style expensive services that fail the people.
11/03/2021 13:07:39 6 4
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Agreed! And most of Europe is currently being swamped with new coronavirus cases.

When the dust settles on this pandemic we will find that most major countries have suffered huge numbers of dead / seriously ill / cancelled ops / etc.

But that won't stop the usual (BBC induced) moaning about the government....will it?
11/03/2021 13:36:38 4 0
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I agree. I had an urgent medical problem in January (not covid). A GP saw me the same day. Sent me to A&E. My problem was investigated straight away and I was admitted for treatment.

First time as an adult I've been an in-patient in hospital.

NHS is amazing.
11/03/2021 13:17:16 2 0
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Comparatives aren't helpful to those suffering here and now.
11/03/2021 14:09:46 0 0
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Did you read the article? Would you consider cancer surgery not particularly urgent?
11/03/2021 14:11:56 2 0
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"think yourself lucky you are not in the US !"

Oh how the Brits love to sneer at American healthcare. Yet weirdly (despite a population who are even fatter than us) you are far more likely to survive Covid in the US than here.
11/03/2021 14:31:19 1 0
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You will not be turned away from urgent care in the US either, just billed for it.

All those 16 and under are covered by their parents health insurance or Medicare, those retired are covered by their own insurance or by Medicare/medicade, those with disabilities are covered by medicare/cade, responsible adults get insurance with the extra money they have due to lower taxes.
11/03/2021 16:25:27 0 0
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Quite right. But if the Tories stay in power, that's where we are heading.
You may have noticed the reduction in what is offered. Hearing, hips, cataracts, knee problems etc now having waits of years. But if you go private, you'll get treatment pretty quick. If you're in pain, or your eyesight is at risk, you'll dig into your savings.
This is the privatisation by stealth they don't want you to see
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11/03/2021 11:48:43 0 4
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Aegrescit medendo.....
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11/03/2021 11:33:18 18 16
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The more Covid is allowed to sweep through our country the more the NHS will get overloaded and people will have the wait for appointments.

I am in favour of the controlled relaxation of the rules as we are currently doing as I believe it will be better in the long term and avoid risking going in and out lockdowns in the future.
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11/03/2021 11:48:48 1 10
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So true.

And as the Labour Party say, you can only imagine how far back in the queue those from BAME backgrounds are given the institutional racism in the NHS. Be interesting to see that data!
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11/03/2021 11:37:12 14 12
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So, you are blaming the government for the pandemic?
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11/03/2021 11:48:51 9 4
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For the way they have underfunded the NHS and for the decisions they have made in dealing with the pandemi- yes.
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11/03/2021 12:00:42 2 0
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OK, that will mean increasing taxes for everyone. But then you will complain about that as well. There would have been more funding for everything without a pandemic. And we wouldn't have this looming health crisis.
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Tom
11/03/2021 11:48:58 15 10
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It's good this is getting press. Its great that we are starting to turn a corner with COVID but we must remember all of the other unwell people in this country who have been delayed treatment or test results.

The government needs to pull together a plan to show how these people will be helped and supported to insure that their lives will not shortened due to these delays.
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11/03/2021 12:07:29 6 5
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need we go over this again. If our PM and his crew had acted quicker then all this would not have happened and more would be alive today . I admire your optimism but BJ is as effective as that fire guard
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Pip
11/03/2021 12:08:04 0 0
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I've had to attend the 'Lower Leg Clinic' in my local hospital for most of last year, starting in March. I had to attend once every week they never cancelled one appointment. Nothing but praise for the NHS............?
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11/03/2021 11:32:33 13 12
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Just thank your lucky stars you aren't here in France. If you think the UK bungled any of this, you have no idea how badly France is doing. There are no vaccine doses available here, no lockdown, no restaurants or bars, but an increasing infection rate and hospitals are cancelling as much as they can get away with. FR Govt is confident, FR people aren't.
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11/03/2021 11:49:02 2 5
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" There are no vaccine doses available here, no lockdown, no restaurants or bars,' ...when you tell fibs based on what you see from the UK ....learn to be consistent....
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11/03/2021 12:46:04 1 0
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I am reporting what is happening around me in eastern France. Every word is true. Which country are you in?
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11/03/2021 11:49:08 1 8
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These NHS waits should also be taken into consideration in the round, vis a vis the 1% pay rise awarded.
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11/03/2021 11:51:24 6 0
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Why?
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11/03/2021 11:47:13 3 12
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I was told I would have to wait 18 months to have a tooth extracted. What NHS?
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11/03/2021 11:49:17 8 0
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Thats weird. I went last week for a Wisdom tooth infection. Treated with medication, NHS extraction booked for two weeks from now. I guess they just dont like you.
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11/03/2021 11:56:40 1 0
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That is possible!
Really weird, we are permitted to talk about the NHS and delays, but we have no voice on the BBC when it comes to Naga Munchetty article "It's time to talk about race". OK, we're ready, lets open up the comments BBC, lets have the conversation. As it is it seems to be a case of Naga Munchetty preaching to us. Anyway, back to the BBC having a pop at the beleaguered NHS. Removed
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11/03/2021 11:53:21 0 0
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This comment will be deleted in 3, 2, 1 .....
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11/03/2021 11:53:59 0 0
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Who is having a pop here?
I am obviously reading the article different to you.

40,000 nursing vacancies before covid kicked off meant the NHS was never going to be able to cope.
Of course it will be difficult to import, sorry recruit, more nurses to make up the shortfall now.
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11/03/2021 11:54:43 1 0
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I think you probably know why there are no HYSes on issues involving race. Simply, it turns very ugly very quickly, and the trolls have a field day. I'm not sure if that helps anyone. Great if we could talk about race like grown-ups, but back in the real world...
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11/03/2021 11:54:46 0 0
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Believe me we are all so fed up with being preached to as they are the only people that have troubles And we are all racists But it is the current theme for the BBC
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mc
11/03/2021 11:54:00 0 0
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easy to scream racism etc nowadays just to get sympathy
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11/03/2021 11:49:24 11 18
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With ten years of underfunding it's not really a surprise, still real terms pay cuts will make things a lot better hey.........
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11/03/2021 11:51:23 8 4
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Does that include the £5bn of funds wasted by the NHS per annum?

Or the cost to the NHS of our avoidable lifestyle choices such as drunken fights, obesity, diabetes?
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11/03/2021 11:54:21 1 1
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Ten years of underfunding that followed ten years of poorly directed funding!
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Ann
11/03/2021 11:56:46 3 0
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I think accountability of billions thrown at nhs is a bigger problem. It will always require more money because it is a bottomless pit.
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11/03/2021 11:57:14 1 1
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1.3m people employed in the NHS. Guess how many are actually medical trained staff!
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mc
11/03/2021 11:53:02 1 1
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plenty of managers and new cars
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11/03/2021 11:45:46 20 18
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Don't worry. Johnsons mythical £350 million a week will sort it all.
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11/03/2021 11:49:59 4 3
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Way more than that been invested already.
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11/03/2021 11:32:18 4 21
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And shutting down the country was to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed... May as well have not bothered.
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11/03/2021 11:50:01 3 3
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thick
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11/03/2021 11:53:24 2 3
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So are you telling me shutting down the country was not to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed?
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11/03/2021 11:44:23 122 84
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Many people predicted that the effect of blunt lockdowns and following tunnel visioned scientific advice, both economically and on our general and mental health, would cost a lot more lives.
They may well be right.
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11/03/2021 11:50:04 139 92
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They're undoubtedly wrong. The consequences of not locking down would be an order of magnitude worse in terms of direct deaths, indirect deaths and suffering, and economic fallout, than the lockdowns we've had.
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MrW
11/03/2021 11:55:52 34 37
bbc
Well said.
It's not rocket science but a lot of people either don't want to or simply can't understand your comment.
To anyone who trots out "Lockdowns don't work", they patently do.
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SD
11/03/2021 12:00:29 38 24
bbc
No evidence at all to support this view. Why hasn’t the sky fallen in any of the many jurisdictions worldwide that haven’t followed the lockdown strategy?

You are too trusting of models that have proven time and time again to be significantly wide of the mark. Remember the 4,000 covid deaths a day we were supposed to be terrified of over winter?
204
11/03/2021 12:04:29 15 13
bbc
Not really sure that you have any proof of your 'what if' scenario.
284
11/03/2021 12:12:24 12 12
bbc
Please do show your working out. I am intrigued to see what information you base this claim on, because the article above is based on actual numbers not just what "might" have happened.
334
11/03/2021 12:17:09 8 6
bbc
You are making a baseless massive assumption that lockdowns are the answer to saving lives. That is unproven although its is a major contributor to economic decline.
343
11/03/2021 12:17:38 11 2
bbc
Of course some form of lockdown and measures was needed. What wasn't needed were blunt, unintelligent lockdowns imposed in lieu of well thought-out policy and good governance.
391
11/03/2021 12:21:09 9 3
bbc
Absolute rubbish.
413
11/03/2021 12:23:13 12 4
bbc
The long term consequences of lockdown will be far worse than not locking down. Look at the stats. Those dying WITH Covid are almost always very old, and almost always in a bad way to begin with. 96% of deaths have a serious underlying condition. I suspect the other 4% are obese.
594
11/03/2021 12:39:29 4 2
bbc
That pure speculation on your part is quite frankly nonesense. 1.2 million would not have died because the infection to fatility ratio for COvid is nowhere near 1.77%
813
11/03/2021 13:02:20 2 2
bbc
This is garbage.

The ONS estimates that 40% of the population have had the virus. That means that it might have been half as bad again, maybe, but at around 60% you're into herd immunity levels.

The notion we have contained infections to any degree has no real merit - we just slowed it down a bit.
30
11/03/2021 11:44:24 15 26
bbc
Interesting to see all the usual suspects blaming the government and brexit. When will you all just move on and get behind your own country? The fact is the pandemic is the reason for this mess and the effect on all our lives.
63
11/03/2021 11:50:23 1 2
bbc
Fed by the BBC, lapped up by the HYS blame squad.
18
11/03/2021 11:35:25 14 10
bbc
I am one of the people whose treatment has been delayed since January 2000 by Covid. However I fully understand and accept that saving lives has to come before treatment for non-life threatening issues. May have to look at going private to get the operations I need.
64
11/03/2021 11:50:44 5 0
bbc
Gosh that's a long wait. Hope you get there in the end.
65
11/03/2021 11:50:53 7 7
bbc
The cost of lockdown finally being measured and it’s worse than the virus
107
11/03/2021 11:55:35 3 2
bbc
If we had controlled the virus, it would not have impacted on the health service. Normal procedures were not cancelled to stop the spread like closing pubs and restaurants. They were stopped because critical care capacity was full of people with covid. Lack of lockdown led to normal NHS services being affected. Not too much lockdown.
31
11/03/2021 11:45:21 12 15
bbc
Covid hasn’t helped but most of these were waiting before it all collapsed due to government incompetence. This is due to a decade of cuts and staff shortages.

Thankfully no government would be as inept to make the situation worse by offering pay cuts to nurses after promising and twice delaying a pay rise. That would be insane
66
11/03/2021 11:50:55 5 2
bbc
What would be insane right now would be paying 12.5% more for the same service.
39
11/03/2021 11:47:11 2 17
bbc
Horrified, this is murder if not a genocide !!!!!!!!
67
11/03/2021 11:51:01 7 1
bbc
what an idiotic post
293
Pip
11/03/2021 12:13:32 0 0
bbc
A typical post from this guy, I'm afraid. Not to be taken seriously............?
46
11/03/2021 11:48:16 8 8
bbc
It has already been delivered, in addition to all the COVID spending. Do try to keep up.
68
Ben
11/03/2021 11:51:04 4 5
bbc
They don't understand, but yes Johnson did lie about £350m a week to the NHS. Instead we pay almost £390m a week to the NHS. Whole thing is a bottomless money pit. Could give it a billion a week and it still would lack efficiency.
212
11/03/2021 12:05:03 2 3
bbc
Errm, that's not money saved through Brexit, though - *that* was the big lie.

And yes, too much inefficiency - too many layers of middle-management and bureaucracy created by the mania for outsourcing/privatisation.
The Brussels Broadcasting Corporation at it again !
No stats about the EU health systems ??????????????.
Any opportunity to dish the UK !
The sooner the better that this ANTI UK Corporation's Government bailouts ( TV licence ) is removed the BETTER ????????????????????
Removed
137
11/03/2021 11:57:48 0 0
bbc
Who cares about health systems in the EU. We're only interested in our own. Are the EU going to see British patients?
192
Pip
11/03/2021 12:02:55 0 0
bbc
There We Are Then..........?
70
11/03/2021 11:51:11 240 168
bbc
You'll come to the right conclusion when you accept that it was all about saving the governments face. They have run the NHS into the ground, the last thing they needed was it to go under. So cancer procedures, hip operations, dentistry, and every other medical service was sacrificed.
The public didn't really matter, never mattered. Leaving people in pain was criminal, and this they did.
134
11/03/2021 11:54:25 64 65
bbc
I totally agree. I do believe that the likes of Sir Simon Stevens etc also have many questions to answer regarding overseeing an organisation barely fit for purpose but in the main your post is bang on the money. I've been waiting for nearly 2 years for a serious operation and still no date yet. In a way i'm glad of the restrictions as i can't do anything anyway due to lack of treatment.
191
SD
11/03/2021 12:02:42 15 7
bbc
Absolutely correct. And they think we can’t see it. What an unmitigated disaster.
242
11/03/2021 12:07:56 32 13
bbc
But they haven’t run it into the ground. Every government no matter who increases spending on the NHS and it’s never enough. No matter how many billions are thrown at it they ask for more. Does it need reforming?
285
VoR
11/03/2021 12:12:27 18 5
bbc
I disagree. Everything else was genuinely lower priority than Covid. And I say that as the dad of a young daughter whose NHS care was impacted, and as someone whose job involves a lot of time analysing Covid impact in different parts of the world.

eg: dentistry is high risk where Covid is concerned, given proximity and droplets. Yes, they've taken lots of measures, but it remains high risk.
422
11/03/2021 12:05:31 11 15
bbc
"they have run the NHS into the ground"

Wrong. Successive Governments since the NHS's conception have been unable to fund it because it was, and still isn't fit for purpose. It is hard for some to understand, but it doesn't matter how much you pump into it, it won't be enough.

But of course, a part privatsed NHS (which would work) wouldn't allow it to be used as a political football.
497
11/03/2021 12:30:33 7 6
bbc
If what you say is true, then it was an NHS decision, not Government's that postponed operations. The government have plenty to answer for in their early handling of the pandemic agreed, but in all fairness they didn't invent it and no politician is going to try and tell a doctor or surgeon who to treat next, it would/could not happen.
547
11/03/2021 12:34:58 10 9
bbc
Absolute rubbish. The NHS would be underfunded if we put 100% of GDP into it as by design the more you spend the more you can treat (what was previously untreatable). The fact is WE not the Govt. have a limit on what WE are prepared to pay for the NHS and sadly inevitably some people don't get treatment. This is a once ina lifetime eve3nt (hopefully) which no one could have planned for.
563
11/03/2021 12:16:34 15 13
bbc
What you mean is the pen pushing managers on 100K a year have. NHS took it on themselves to have a "covid only" service. I bet your a Labour BOT. Well I live in South Wales and NHS wales has been shambolic for 21 years of the failed devolutionexperiment. Guess who the administration is. LABOUR ??
657
11/03/2021 12:45:18 9 8
bbc
The NHS have run themselves into the ground. The huge budget they have is taken up largely by overpaid middle and upper management, not frontline staff and equipment/drugs. It is an outdated, incompetent organisation in severe need of improvement. You can blame government all you like, but in the end, the NHS has to take responsibility for its failings.
679
11/03/2021 12:47:29 7 8
bbc
The Conservatives have given the NHS more money every year than the NHS asked for, and the only waste has been on the NHS computer system that cost £14 billion and still does not work, and the disastrous PFI schemes BOTH LABOUR schemes.
693
xlr
11/03/2021 12:49:08 9 8
bbc
If the Tories had kept step with Labour NHS spending when they took over in 2010, it wouldn't have cost us nearly as much to handle this pandemic, as the system would have been able to take far more covid patients without expensive lockdowns.

Remember this, voters of "the party of fiscal rectitude".
820
11/03/2021 13:03:06 6 5
bbc
As Piers Morgan said, what a total diatribe of bilge. The government ordered the NHS to cancel all other care to concentrate on COVID to save face? You dreamer
829
11/03/2021 13:03:31 3 3
bbc
Run it into the ground to the tune of more than £150bn a year in a normal year, and tens of billions more in the last 12 months??
11/03/2021 13:24:27 1 0
bbc
well said, if only there were an organisation that would report these things
properly
11/03/2021 13:37:14 2 1
bbc
This government has been in power for less than two years. If the NHS has indeed been run into the ground, the process must have started a long time ago. NHS funding over recent years has not been reduced in real terms.
11/03/2021 13:43:02 0 0
bbc
Exactly. People are just numbers in the "experts" mathematical modelling.
11/03/2021 14:04:11 1 0
bbc
Yep. The longest waiting lists since Labour were in charge
11/03/2021 14:13:07 0 2
bbc
Run into the ground with increased funding every year and world leading therapies and treatments. But most of the funding swooped on by greedy unions.
11/03/2021 16:10:58 0 0
bbc
What did Labour do for the NHS in the 17years they were in power?
11/03/2021 17:35:39 0 0
bbc
They actually did save lives they r bad if they do an bad if they dont. U cant please all of the people all of the time.
11/03/2021 19:54:07 1 0
bbc
No they haven’t! My dad has vac cancer and is being looked after brilliantly. Don’t believe the crap that’s been spouted
59
11/03/2021 11:49:24 11 18
bbc
With ten years of underfunding it's not really a surprise, still real terms pay cuts will make things a lot better hey.........
71
11/03/2021 11:51:23 8 4
bbc
Does that include the £5bn of funds wasted by the NHS per annum?

Or the cost to the NHS of our avoidable lifestyle choices such as drunken fights, obesity, diabetes?
154
11/03/2021 11:59:31 2 1
bbc
What about the £23b wasted on T&T by the Tories you love so much?!
56
11/03/2021 11:49:08 1 8
bbc
These NHS waits should also be taken into consideration in the round, vis a vis the 1% pay rise awarded.
72
11/03/2021 11:51:24 6 0
bbc
Why?
183
11/03/2021 12:02:17 0 0
bbc
Because performance reviews are done in the round, and a balanced view formed without rose tinted spectacles
40
11/03/2021 11:47:13 3 12
bbc
I was told I would have to wait 18 months to have a tooth extracted. What NHS?
73
11/03/2021 11:51:41 1 0
bbc
The same NHS the Ministry of Propaganda asks you to clap for and show sympathy to the 1% pay offer.
Like you say.
What NHS?
30
11/03/2021 11:44:24 15 26
bbc
Interesting to see all the usual suspects blaming the government and brexit. When will you all just move on and get behind your own country? The fact is the pandemic is the reason for this mess and the effect on all our lives.
74
11/03/2021 11:51:42 3 1
bbc
This isn't about failing to get behind our own country, it's about the untold damage that the ten years of cuts to everything that made us a civilised country has done. The slow-burn catastrophe of Brexit is entirely the responsibility of the Tories. 75% of small businesses really struggling right now, with further rules and paperwork in the pipeline. The costs of that will soon be obvious.
233
11/03/2021 12:06:49 1 0
bbc
Great, you concentrate on everything negative whilst the rest of us get on with our lives. Once the pandemic is over, you will be eating your words.
13
11/03/2021 11:33:40 2 8
bbc
I hope this government and future governments (Tory and Labour) are going to address this situation. I don't understand why the Nightingale hospitals weren't used in this wave. Was it through lack of available staff? It's hard not to ask the question : why have all these other patients been put on the 'back burner'? I don't know the answer, that's for sure.
75
11/03/2021 11:51:50 3 3
bbc
Cuts to NHS and removing nursery for training nurses has caused immense staffing problems. This was a decision by this Government to cut back the NHS.
741
11/03/2021 12:53:51 0 0
bbc
Yes, they are trying to cut out all the wastage and inefficiency.
76
11/03/2021 11:51:53 121 24
bbc
Does my brothers death class as covid related? He died because he didn't get the operation he needed!
208
11/03/2021 12:04:46 37 63
bbc
No - that comes under 'Government Healthcare'.
255
11/03/2021 12:09:18 10 16
bbc
I am sorry for your loss. But my perspective on this sort of thing is getting any medical treatment That extends life is a bonus. Dodging death at your due time. There needs to be more acceptance that treatments are a lottery lucky win not some right or entitlement. Most of human existence they did not exist.
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VoR
11/03/2021 12:19:20 18 0
bbc
Well, it will be captured by the excess deaths statistic, which is part of what makes that a useful statistic.
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xlr
11/03/2021 12:58:23 4 9
bbc
I'm sorry to hear that, but if he'd have gotten the operation he needed he'd have recovered in a hospital full of covid at a time his body could have least dealt with it, at a time when staff had the least time to deal with any complications. The outlook was grim the moment the virus entered this country.
11/03/2021 13:43:08 1 6
bbc
Try asking. Bel Mooney discovered that every Covid death isn't always 'of'. Though anyone with any ability to reason could work that out from the numbers supplied.
11/03/2021 13:51:46 4 1
bbc
It does. It's not counted as "died with Covid", but it is counted in the "excess deaths". Very sad indeed and that's why we must stop the spread.
11/03/2021 14:09:13 0 4
bbc
So sorry. Royaly would get an immediate operation if they had slight piles
11/03/2021 14:48:58 0 0
bbc
Sorry for your loss but do you know for sure he would have survived if he got an appointment? There will be tragedies along the way, but to risk exposing someone to covid when they are in anweakened state already could have killed him too...my brother needed a stent and got one at Xmas. So urgent operations did take place.
11/03/2021 15:27:14 0 3
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So sorry Andrew, so many thousands have relatives and loved ones who died - given Covid certificates and did not die of anything related to Covid. And so many dying because of cancelled surgery. But more so now, A & E flooded with vaccine injury and countries withdrawing their programmes. Of course unlikey the BBC will print this - but people know anyway.
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11/03/2021 11:40:03 112 94
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A decade of cuts, the massive shortage of specialist staff and a Government that failed to act at the beginning of the pandemic. With full staffing, some could have been moved to the Nightingale hospitals that have cost so much. This would have allowed the continued use of hospitals for other illnesses. Yes Covid has been the problem but this Government has been the cause of how bad things got.
77
11/03/2021 11:52:00 37 20
bbc
This has nothing to do with cuts. The nhs has failed to recruit qualified nurses and drs to help in the pandemic. I personally know 3 who have applied and not been bought back to help out. Sadly the NHS is a bureaucracy that has failed to prevent us going into a 3rd lockdown. Full of hardworking individuals but with too many pen pushes .
266
11/03/2021 12:10:03 26 15
bbc
its got everything to do with cuts - our European neighbours fund their health systems with up to 2-3% more than we do - not here though, billions is being divested into private contractors & their shareholder dividends but hardly anything for hospital upgrades, nursing bursaries and wages.
This is a deeply flawed country and these crony capitalists are root cause of that
7
11/03/2021 11:32:18 4 21
bbc
And shutting down the country was to stop the NHS getting overwhelmed... May as well have not bothered.
78
11/03/2021 11:52:00 4 1
bbc
If we hadn't bothered, it would have been 10 times worse.
85
11/03/2021 11:52:38 1 3
bbc
Your evidence?
79
11/03/2021 11:52:10 11 8
bbc
I know that it's in vogue right now to worship the NHS as if it's some kind of disembodied deity, but I can only go by my own experience, and I cannot bring myself to praise it at all. I've only needed to use it once, and when I did, not only did they fail me in that they did absolutely nothing, could not diagnose the problem and offered me no treatment, they spoke to me like a piece of #&%*
87
11/03/2021 11:53:01 7 4
bbc
I can understand, entirely, why people would go private.
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SD
11/03/2021 12:06:28 4 3
bbc
Absolutely agree. While many in the NHS undoubtedly do amazing work, there seems to be a prevailing attitude of ‘we’re doing you a favour’ amongst a large number of NHS staff. They would do well to remember who pays their wages.
5
11/03/2021 11:32:03 470 70
bbc
Even now it is proving hard work contacting my GP. I have as good as given up. It is very strange how I can take the pooch to the vet with no issue, have a plumber in my home, but see a GP face to face, don't be silly.
80
11/03/2021 11:52:10 24 39
bbc
Your GP is not part of the NHS.
236
11/03/2021 12:07:08 33 6
bbc
Yes they are, they are private contractors to the NHS; a deal set up by, yep you guessed it, the Labour Party.
8
11/03/2021 11:32:20 17 15
bbc
Sad, but understandable.
It's a world wide issue, not just the UK
81
11/03/2021 11:52:13 4 13
bbc
Not so much in Australia... depends how each nation reacted early on to minimise the longer term impact.
82
11/03/2021 11:52:21 25 18
bbc
All the health problems ignored are now effective pandemics in their own right, of course had the NHS got proper funding and management all along we could have managed them all better and not resorted to police state measures.
108
11/03/2021 11:55:40 27 5
bbc
If anything the NHS is over managed

I say its time so of there ten of thouy of maagerst got back working with patents
224
11/03/2021 12:06:04 1 0
bbc
Utter rubbish. You can't catch those other problems from others so it is nothing like a pandemic.

There is no limit to the game playing spending away our money to have staff sitting about doing nothing but 'ready' to serve. Maximum efficiency counts not one person’s whinge about waiting a few weeks for treatment for a stubbed toe.
438
11/03/2021 12:09:56 2 0
bbc
Less restrictions would have meant even more cases, so you're contradicting yourself there, although I agree spending needs to be boosted (we are one of the lowest net-spenders on healthcare in the developed world).
11/03/2021 14:09:06 0 0
bbc
The NHS has had increased funding every year for decades, the reality is that you could double the funding and some would still say there was enough because they couldn't get their reassignment surgery quick enough etc.

Reality is we need to moderate demand via charging and via a focus on preventative health.
83
11/03/2021 11:52:32 173 82
bbc
i know 5 nurses from 3 different hospitals who wernt in a covid ward who have been twiddling their thumbs for the last yr,,their words..also abscence at an all time high through taking advantage of the situation on full pay..these folk are just as human as others with the same nature..that said they have done well just as all essential workers have, .shouldnt be afraid to be truthful.
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11/03/2021 11:59:41 174 63
bbc
Expect to be shouted down by the 'always know more'.

I made a comment earlier this year about how the death rate was over inflated (I'd elderly family who'd died of other issues but it was registered as 'Covid') only to have umpteen 'experts' berate my comment.

Ironically I've read numerous articles of late stating how they've wrongly labeled countless deaths as covid when they weren't.
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Pip
11/03/2021 11:59:49 38 44
bbc
I know a few nurses from different hospitals, and they have a far different view to what you're hearing.

Yours seem more like the fictional accounts of deniers...........?
195
11/03/2021 12:03:24 25 44
bbc
Liar :)
350
11/03/2021 12:18:08 38 16
bbc
Just to offer a different perspective. I am a nurse on a respiratory ward and my mrs is a nurse on a palliative care unit who was redoplyed to intensive care during covid, the hospital wards have all been really busy, my ears are bloody killing me from wearing the masks non stop as it's cut into my skin at the top of my ears, hospital nurses aren't paid no where near enough.
376
11/03/2021 12:19:42 32 11
bbc
Well I was in hospital a few months ago for over three weeks.

The nurses were run into the ground and working non-stop.

So I guess our stories cancel each other out. Just because you have one experience doesn't mean it is the same everywhere.

And your re-telling doesn't help one jot.
491
11/03/2021 12:30:10 12 6
bbc
GUYS STEW ON HYS KNOWS THE TRUTH!
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xlr
11/03/2021 12:50:13 22 12
bbc
I know two nurses who are my nieces. They haven't had any holidays and have been run off their feet. Morale is at an all-time low due to the pay cut and because of the British public just making up crap about how they're sitting around doing nothing.
11/03/2021 13:43:17 11 1
bbc
Pity those 'nurses you know' couldn't have swapped a few shifts with my wife.
Are their hospitals in the Land of Make Believe by any chance?
11/03/2021 13:59:33 2 2
bbc
Ha! Caught you out. This guy is talking nonsense you guys, I'm from the deep state or illuminati or whatever, and we've not only made up covid but also hospitals and nurses. This guy is lying because there are literally no nurses. Ever met a nurse? Didn't think so.
11/03/2021 14:47:04 5 1
bbc
Nurses twiddling their thumbs??? Bloody hell! Maybe they could be directed towards all the teams, like my own, who are working flat out! I know hundreds of nurses and not one is 'twiddling their thumbs'! Are you one of the 'empty hospital' brigade? I don't even work in an hospital - but we are getting plenty of referrals from them! So much lies and ignorance - it is unbelievable.
11/03/2021 15:16:31 1 1
bbc
THAT IS A LIE
46
11/03/2021 11:48:16 8 8
bbc
It has already been delivered, in addition to all the COVID spending. Do try to keep up.
84
11/03/2021 11:52:36 4 4
bbc
Your evidence of additional 360 million a week spending on NHS would be very welcome
78
11/03/2021 11:52:00 4 1
bbc
If we hadn't bothered, it would have been 10 times worse.
85
11/03/2021 11:52:38 1 3
bbc
Your evidence?
298
11/03/2021 12:14:05 3 1
bbc
Well, 50k new cases a day, 60k new cases a day, 70k new cases a day. Then lockdown, and the figures start to come down.
Is that hard to understand?
86
11/03/2021 11:52:50 97 31
bbc
A relative was denied Cancer treatment due to concerns over it weakening her immune system and so putting her at risk of Covid - she died 6 weeks later!
A neighbour collapsed and was taken to hospital, they discharged her the same day due to fear of her catching CV whilst in, she collapsed the next day and died a few days after. CV wards have been amazing, but i question other areas of the NHS!
118
11/03/2021 11:56:40 26 8
bbc
And when i say question, just around the restraints they've had to enforce, and whether there wasn't a better way to still provide what was effectively critical life care.
This comment should not reflect on the NHS as a whole though, I fully appreciate and respect the job that the vast majority of them have been doing throughout all this.
138
11/03/2021 11:57:50 0 0
bbc
Exactly.
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SD
11/03/2021 12:02:05 5 11
bbc
The NHS has absolutely failed us as a country, along with every other branch of the state. An utter disaster of their own making.
11/03/2021 13:36:50 1 1
bbc
I advise when you are faced with this situation, often we know things are not right(?) take you friend who needs urgent medical attention to strong leafy rural conservative voting area Major incident hospital. I have worked all the country as maintenance contractor they frequently have many more hospital beds, extra staff and lots shined new equipment
11/03/2021 17:47:02 0 0
bbc
My mum had some thing done for cancer radiotherapy it damaged her already weakened body she had been on nutri drinks for year in ozzie i ask why they werent given, they dont nake a difference, well why was she on them. They ssid we can force feed her, ok thsts ok but encourage her u put it dwn come back and take it untouched. Her salts r hi she forgets also why is she 10rooms away alone. T
11/03/2021 17:52:12 0 0
bbc
If some one has smoked since 14 it is part of them, i said 2 yrs ago dont bully her in to packing in, saying she is taking up health csre and dont attempt to tell me well if u want yur mum to stay sick, u horrible little parrasite. My mum packed in it took a year fir everything to shut dwn. She said she had seen to many ppl do thst then die, i wont do it, but she wasnt her self and they bullied
11/03/2021 18:37:09 0 0
bbc
They thought they where doing the right thing, as thats where covid attaccks the immune system, they didnt just say yur not getting the treatment. Plus a few days
The csncer was to far gone the treatment woudnt of helped, that cancer treatment is horrible.
My mum passed march, i cudnt of left her in hospital on her own to die with covid. That 13yr old who died alone must of been terrified. ??
11/03/2021 22:40:50 0 0
bbc
That's terrible! Surely they should have considered it a lower risk to treat her, if her cancer was that bad. But for less serious conditions, it makes sense for them to send people home early. A friend of mine went into hospital with breathing difficulties, and they discharged him, as soon as he could breathe on his own.2 weeks later he was back in hospital. While there, he caught covid and died.
79
11/03/2021 11:52:10 11 8
bbc
I know that it's in vogue right now to worship the NHS as if it's some kind of disembodied deity, but I can only go by my own experience, and I cannot bring myself to praise it at all. I've only needed to use it once, and when I did, not only did they fail me in that they did absolutely nothing, could not diagnose the problem and offered me no treatment, they spoke to me like a piece of #&%*
87
11/03/2021 11:53:01 7 4
bbc
I can understand, entirely, why people would go private.
178
Pip
11/03/2021 12:01:47 0 0
bbc
Please do..........?
202
11/03/2021 12:04:10 0 0
bbc
They don't mind disadvantaging others.
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11/03/2021 11:47:44 41 18
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You can die of anything apart from Coronavirus.....
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If you want to catch covid 19 go to hospital.... Removed
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11/03/2021 12:11:53 1 0
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I'm guessing this is the reason lists are so long, the population has been scared into thinking that going to hospital for a biopsy will result in them catching a deadly virus.
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11/03/2021 12:14:42 0 0
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This is actually a big part of why other treatments have been sidelined. Not just competition for scarce resource, but to avoid exposing the vulnerable to Covid.
Really weird, we are permitted to talk about the NHS and delays, but we have no voice on the BBC when it comes to Naga Munchetty article "It's time to talk about race". OK, we're ready, lets open up the comments BBC, lets have the conversation. As it is it seems to be a case of Naga Munchetty preaching to us. Anyway, back to the BBC having a pop at the beleaguered NHS. Removed
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11/03/2021 11:50:01 3 3
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thick
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11/03/2021 11:53:24 2 3
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So are you telling me shutting down the country was not to stop the NHS becoming overwhelmed?
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You’re a minority.
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11/03/2021 11:53:31 33 13
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Our General Practice surgery has been first class. So has the NHS service in our area.
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11/03/2021 12:30:20 1 0
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Our local GP practice in Wales has been taking phone consultations and only calling in those who they need to see. The local hospital has been seeing friends and relatives during very early morning or late Sunday's on a one patient at a time basis. Living in the middle of nowhere has its benefits. When living in a large city last I had a two week wait. Not the same day service of previous years.
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11/03/2021 12:46:22 5 0
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Good for you, but, as these posts show, this is not the case for everyone. When your GP retires and you get a whole new lot in (as happpened to me) I hope it does not go downhill (as happened to me). We will probably see you on here moaning about your not so wondeful GP. Not all NHS staff are angels either, My local hospital has a (deserved) terrible reputation. Give them the clap? mmmmm
In the near distant future.....

I’m sorry we can’t treat you because the list is to big and if your not part of the Bame community it could be seen as
Racial preferential treatment
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11/03/2021 11:53:42 1 2
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Racist. "We can't treat you because of government cuts."
But if you have the money to go private, you can be treated tomorrow.
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11/03/2021 11:36:18 7 1
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Because it is easy to convert big spaces into temporary hospitals, but training staff takes rather longer...
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11/03/2021 11:53:46 1 2
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Lots of staff available, the nhs wouldn't take them back
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11/03/2021 12:15:29 1 1
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Do you actually have any evidence for that, or do you just hate the NHS?
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11/03/2021 11:53:49 2 6
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Isn’t one of the problems that surgeons decide who can become a surgeon and most of them work in the private sector as much if not more than they do for the NHS.
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Tell the colleges that :)
Really weird, we are permitted to talk about the NHS and delays, but we have no voice on the BBC when it comes to Naga Munchetty article "It's time to talk about race". OK, we're ready, lets open up the comments BBC, lets have the conversation. As it is it seems to be a case of Naga Munchetty preaching to us. Anyway, back to the BBC having a pop at the beleaguered NHS. Removed
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11/03/2021 11:53:59 0 0
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Who is having a pop here?
I am obviously reading the article different to you.

40,000 nursing vacancies before covid kicked off meant the NHS was never going to be able to cope.
Of course it will be difficult to import, sorry recruit, more nurses to make up the shortfall now.
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11/03/2021 11:54:19 1 2
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It looks like waiting lists have been impacted the most at times when hospitals are filled up with Covid patients, it makes total sense. That does not however mean with no lockdown or restrictions, or a different Covid test method there will be more capacity for other treatment.
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11/03/2021 11:58:46 3 0
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And why did they never use the Nightingale Hospitals for Covid patients as intended? Were the NHS really that busy?
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With ten years of underfunding it's not really a surprise, still real terms pay cuts will make things a lot better hey.........
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11/03/2021 11:54:21 1 1
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Ten years of underfunding that followed ten years of poorly directed funding!
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11/03/2021 11:43:16 1 8
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Probably not as bad as this. Wake up.
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11/03/2021 11:54:23 5 2
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We might eventually get a cure for Covid. Probably wont get one for stupid.
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Brilliant!
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11/03/2021 11:54:25 2 7
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The NHS should not include NHS England who remain Government puppets and have delayed vital medical procedures for those who do not have Covid regardless of the severity of the latter.
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11/03/2021 11:54:34 48 41
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This is what happens when you just "follow the science" blindly without taking everything else into consideration . Scientists are one dimensional and don't consider any other factors. They are looking for 0% infections and risk adverse politicians just follow them like idiots There's no such thing as risk free in anything, and the public look to me that they are beginning to vote with their feet.
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11/03/2021 12:16:26 21 18
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Scientists don't work the way you claim they do at all. You are more guilty of blind following than they, if you believe what you say.
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Your ignorance betrays you.
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11/03/2021 12:28:22 6 2
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And what are you blindly following? The dogma of non-responsibility.
I should be able to do what I want damn the consequences!

You've obviously missed the point hospitals were full of covid patients even with a lockdown. The NHS couldn't have treated anyone else.

You're proposing leaving covid patients to quietly die at home?
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11/03/2021 12:42:11 3 2
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The Science being followed is of SAGE's cherry picked Tunnel Vision variety in pursuit of a fantasy zero Covid 19 outcome. Unfortunately the vast majority of MP's are behaving as you suggest.
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11/03/2021 12:49:10 2 0
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The scientists presented assessments of epidemiological case scenarios, as best they could given the limited data and number of unknowns involved. That's what science does - what it's for. Everything else was politics.
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11/03/2021 12:53:37 1 0
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No one is following anything blindly.
The government will have been advised by scientists to be cautious and lock down. Equally economists and businesses made the case to remain open (with restrictions). The government will have had to balance both sides of the argument.