UK environmental protections 'being flouted'
10/03/2021 | news | science | 570
Campaigners say UK government protections on the environment are already being flouted.
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11/03/2021 10:26:05 18 11
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The Dirty Man of Europe ?
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11/03/2021 10:29:17 14 4
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Bojo? yes.
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11/03/2021 10:37:45 5 0
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As opposed to 'clean' Germany that have been commissioning new coal power stations every year since Fukushima in 2011!
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11/03/2021 11:07:17 1 1
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I think you will find that it isnt the UK
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11/03/2021 11:13:57 3 0
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So Germany has more road miles per citizen.
Poland & Germany use more coal than the UK

so no the UK is not the worst. Not the best either.
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11/03/2021 12:45:14 2 0
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Yup we can go back to pre-EU dirty beaches, dirty water and unfettered pesticides. We can even over-fish and go to the IMF if we want!
Yay! 1970s all over again!
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11/03/2021 10:27:03 112 35
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The UK is lowering its environmental standards post-Brexit.

Seriously, what did people expect?
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11/03/2021 10:56:40 89 34
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Brexit is the gateway to becoming a fully fledged Banana Republic.
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11/03/2021 11:39:07 11 14
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I'm expecting an improvement. The Common Agricultural Policy has been an environmental disaster, subsidising over-production and burying everything else under mindless bureaucracy.
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11/03/2021 12:38:47 16 7
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I did warn everyone that the ERG wanted to leave the EU so that they could get rid of what they see as red tape e.g. environmental, workplace and consumer protections.

All they are interested in is boosting their own profits and sod the rest of us!
Removed
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11/03/2021 12:55:11 6 6
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Wrong

Environmental standards have never been centre stage because it costs money.

Water quality always had regular monitoring going back to 1970s, pre-EU to my knowledge.

It is now monitored by the Environment Agency, and I doubt that the actual standards have changed much.

The ability to do it has always been a funding issue and nothing to do with Brexit.
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11/03/2021 13:54:16 6 7
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That's complete nonsense. The UK's environmental standards are stricter than most other EU countries, and there is no plan to lower them either now or in the future. Stop parrotting silly factoids that turn out to be completely untrue.
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11/03/2021 23:18:20 0 0
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No, England is.
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11/03/2021 23:19:48 0 0
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No, England is, not the rest of us.
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12/03/2021 09:30:07 0 0
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We need the coal from that mine for a specific reason. The alternative is more harm importing it. Read the facts. We need roads to be more efficient as a country and cope with growth. You cannot ignore these facts. Its not a one sided argument. Everything is a compromise. We could massively improve emissions, just ban cars overnight. Not practical is it. Economy first.
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11/03/2021 10:28:25 53 15
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As always with this government their actions never match their words.
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11/03/2021 10:55:40 33 7
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Untrue, Boris Johnson promised to line the pockets of his friends and he's been true to his word.
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11/03/2021 11:42:28 1 5
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"As always with this government their actions never match their words."

As always with any government their actions never match their words.

There, corrected it for you ...
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11/03/2021 12:43:48 1 4
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How about you matching your words. Which conservation charities are you a member of? When did you last go on a conservation work party, and where?
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11/03/2021 10:28:40 9 15
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Another wonderfully biased piece by the BBC with little or no analysis from the opposite angle about why these projects have been proposed and their possible positive effects on the environment compared to the current situation. Lazy journalism at its best.
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11/03/2021 10:31:44 7 4
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I tend to agree with you on some points there, but the fact that the first comment you make is about how "biased" this piece is shows your own bias, wouldn't you say?
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11/03/2021 10:32:30 4 2
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So do tell us the other side of the story. Don't keep it under your hat.
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11/03/2021 10:32:33 5 0
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The opposite of the facts are falsehood,
the opposite of the truth is lies,
a lazy critice at it worse.
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11/03/2021 10:29:16 81 19
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We've seen a lot recently any reports (like Patel & bullying) or laws (like Hancock publishing contract details) that this govt don't like they will simply ignore or dismiss.

Are there every any repercussions? No. They do what they like with impunity, yet some people still defend them.

Let us keep defending them and deflecting blame instead of admit that things aren't as great as they seem.
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11/03/2021 10:38:06 51 8
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Then vote them out at the next election.
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11/03/2021 11:16:24 9 2
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So vote for the LibDems whoch will be more acceptable than the far left. Momentum & Corbyn-mania wasnt really palatable for the majority.
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11/03/2021 10:26:05 18 11
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The Dirty Man of Europe ?
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11/03/2021 10:29:17 14 4
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Bojo? yes.
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11/03/2021 10:30:20 26 8
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The UK not meeting its pre-agreed climate change targets? No surprise there.

Net zero carbon emissions will never be met in this country, I fear.
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11/03/2021 10:33:08 28 8
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To be fair, nor will any other country on the planet.
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11/03/2021 10:55:13 1 6
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Good. Finally some commen sense.
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11/03/2021 11:01:24 2 3
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As usual you lack the evidence for you claim.
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11/03/2021 11:05:38 5 3
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Net zero is a con, a meaningless con and frankly cannot be achieved, its pure and simple greenwash.
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11/03/2021 12:51:39 1 1
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What steps are you personally taking to reduce your environmental footprint?
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11/03/2021 23:28:13 0 0
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Good. All it will do is is export more of our industry to such envorinmentally friendly counties as China and India.
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11/03/2021 10:28:40 9 15
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Another wonderfully biased piece by the BBC with little or no analysis from the opposite angle about why these projects have been proposed and their possible positive effects on the environment compared to the current situation. Lazy journalism at its best.
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11/03/2021 10:31:44 7 4
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I tend to agree with you on some points there, but the fact that the first comment you make is about how "biased" this piece is shows your own bias, wouldn't you say?
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11/03/2021 11:00:00 1 1
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One simple example: Quoting FoE anti road building, whereas relief roads ease congestion & increase air quality. So just saying roads are evil is just biased propaganda from his usual friends & sources
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11/03/2021 10:32:27 8 20
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Environmental campaigners would say that wouldn't they.
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11/03/2021 10:54:38 3 7
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The Environment is a myth made up by woke commie remoaner lefties.
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11/03/2021 10:28:40 9 15
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Another wonderfully biased piece by the BBC with little or no analysis from the opposite angle about why these projects have been proposed and their possible positive effects on the environment compared to the current situation. Lazy journalism at its best.
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11/03/2021 10:32:30 4 2
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So do tell us the other side of the story. Don't keep it under your hat.
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11/03/2021 10:28:40 9 15
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Another wonderfully biased piece by the BBC with little or no analysis from the opposite angle about why these projects have been proposed and their possible positive effects on the environment compared to the current situation. Lazy journalism at its best.
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11/03/2021 10:32:33 5 0
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The opposite of the facts are falsehood,
the opposite of the truth is lies,
a lazy critice at it worse.
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11/03/2021 10:33:08 14 17
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So instead of being able to mine coal in the UK for steelmaking we'll be shipping it in from halfway around the world instead ?

In what way is this 'green' ?

Presumably the pollution from other nations go into a different atmosphere from the UK as it only appears to be the UK who has to stop pollution.
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11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
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You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 10:30:20 26 8
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The UK not meeting its pre-agreed climate change targets? No surprise there.

Net zero carbon emissions will never be met in this country, I fear.
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11/03/2021 10:33:08 28 8
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To be fair, nor will any other country on the planet.
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11/03/2021 11:06:09 3 5
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spot on....its just greenwash
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11/03/2021 10:33:08 14 17
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So instead of being able to mine coal in the UK for steelmaking we'll be shipping it in from halfway around the world instead ?

In what way is this 'green' ?

Presumably the pollution from other nations go into a different atmosphere from the UK as it only appears to be the UK who has to stop pollution.
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11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
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You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 10:37:50 6 3
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Yes it is - read the articles

Some is for export to Europe - still better than shipping it in from Australia though.
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11/03/2021 10:42:34 8 1
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so it reduces imports AND helps our balance of payments too, win-win scenario
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11/03/2021 11:06:45 5 0
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A portion of it is for steel making in the UK, the rest is for the EU.

So a simple question that you & your ilk have completely failed to answer many times before is:

For steel making is it "greener" to:
a) use high quality grade coal from the UK with less transport emissions to EU

b) use poor quality coal transported from the other side of the planet.
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11/03/2021 11:10:49 2 0
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Except there is not market for expensive anthracite.
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11/03/2021 10:35:51 5 14
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just start digging, and measure the impact and then decide
Effect of one mine is negligible
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11/03/2021 10:53:29 4 0
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Take any one thing, e.g. one diesel car and its impact is negligible.
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11/03/2021 10:36:49 36 14
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Most leave voters happily dismiss the climate catastrophe as "fake news", see also Trumpists.
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11/03/2021 10:52:41 11 3
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But there is no such thing as climate, not once is it mentioned in the Bible.
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11/03/2021 11:08:55 3 9
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You clearly dont read the IPCC full report, which states very clearly there is no climate emergency.
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11/03/2021 11:47:34 2 2
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I see we have moved from away from crisis (everything is in crisis nowadays) to catastrophe!!

Where next when catastrophe is cliche and lacking impact?
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11/03/2021 12:53:01 1 1
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What steps are you personally taking about the climate crisis. I mean practical steps, not just whinging online.
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11/03/2021 13:14:26 2 4
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I voted leave. I also joined my first conservation charity 48 years ago, at the age of six! The EU does not really care about the environment, it just exists to prop up German industry and French farmers. One of the reasons I voted to leave was because the EU has confused environmental policies.
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11/03/2021 18:57:10 1 0
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By 'most' you mean yourself and a few fellow ostriches?
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11/03/2021 10:37:03 105 6
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We live in the information age but it is ironic that the tools are being used to construct a post-truth society, a society were falsehood are elevated above facts, were lies are more valued than the truth.
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11/03/2021 11:02:55 28 117
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which lies? You mean climate hysteria, promulgated by the MSM but not supported by inconvenient facts??
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11/03/2021 10:58:03 16 23
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A very sound comment. You only have to look a little closer at the bilge and deliberate misinformation spouted about the monarchy by - amongst others, the BBC - to see the truth in your statement.
Who was it said that if you tell a big enough lie, it becomes the truth?
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11/03/2021 12:07:29 17 0
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Improved communication, i.e. the internet, always was a 2-edged sword it appears that some people enjoy making mischief at others' expense.
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11/03/2021 12:38:24 26 5
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I did warn everyone that the ERG wanted to leave the EU so that they could get rid of what they see as red tape e.g. environmental, workplace and consumer protections.

All they are interested in is boosting their own profits and sod the rest of us!
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11/03/2021 12:43:56 19 1
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That is one problem. Additionally politicians, and lobbyists, are now using a "say one thing, to create an illusion, so they can do the opposite" approach.
Both of these problems require us be even more diligent. Meanwhile the scientific knowledge & evidence moves on at pace, while the dumbness of people appears to be going backwards. This is a challenge of our age.
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11/03/2021 13:28:04 9 2
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That is Post-Brexit Britain in a nutshell, on the way to becoming a failed state.

Proof of what you stated is from the delusional Anthropogenic Climate Change deniers that you see spouting their usual nonsense on this HYS, still trying to deny what has proven to be a fact that is happening and endorsed by 100% of climatologists

Brexiteers are also equal to them and are a disgrace to civilization
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11/03/2021 18:48:44 2 0
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1984 is being played out before your very eyes in glorious technicolour my friend.
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11/03/2021 10:37:21 4 18
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Sometimes you have to bend the rules out of national necessity.
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11/03/2021 10:51:52 9 1
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Sometimes you have to lie, steal, cheat, even to the point that it becomes standard govt policy.
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11/03/2021 10:26:05 18 11
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The Dirty Man of Europe ?
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11/03/2021 10:37:45 5 0
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As opposed to 'clean' Germany that have been commissioning new coal power stations every year since Fukushima in 2011!
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11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
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You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 10:37:50 6 3
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Yes it is - read the articles

Some is for export to Europe - still better than shipping it in from Australia though.
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11/03/2021 11:01:09 6 2
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I have read the articles. One from just 2 days ago stated that "85% of the coal from this mine will be exported."

85% isn't just "some," it's rather a lot.
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11/03/2021 10:26:38 62 18
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More cosmetic Brexitory window dressing that allows them to close the curtain and deregulate to their hearts content.

Spineless Rees-Mogg is already a champion of lowering standards.

Liars and hypocrites.
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11/03/2021 10:42:39 31 9
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Rees-Mogg is already a champion of lowering standards.
Reese Mogg, a man of the people. He reinforced this in the HoC, when he said, " Everyone knows Heinz Means Beanz ". When in reality everyone knows Beanz Meanz Heinz.....
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11/03/2021 11:04:18 1 5
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Dear me triggered again. Find a cushion to bite.
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11/03/2021 12:43:12 1 2
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How many conservation charities do you belong to?
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11/03/2021 19:25:15 1 0
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Yes you are ??.
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11/03/2021 10:27:27 76 20
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I thought that, post-Brexit, we were going to STRENGTHEN our environmental protections ?
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11/03/2021 10:50:42 77 31
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You, me, all of us, looks like Brexit was a con!
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11/03/2021 10:53:31 2 12
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Why?
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11/03/2021 10:56:14 28 7
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This is what BREXIT was about. To make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible for the Tory elite. With a race to the bottom with no care for the environment, or employment protection, and many other other good laws that they will shred as soon as they can. What a legacy for the future, with a "goldrush" mentality. Obscene.
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11/03/2021 11:21:28 21 3
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Yup.

Another issue dismissed as project fear coming home to roost.
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11/03/2021 11:23:39 11 2
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Only by putting what's left of our small farming community out of business, through huge increase in cheap, low quality food imports.

Free money can then be given out to the monied arrivistes who take over their farms for basic stewardship.

Good grazing land replaced by pony paddocks, real tractors replaced by gas-guzzling chelsea tractors.

Been happening around my way for years, will get worse
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11/03/2021 12:21:09 5 5
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We are. I am a land steward. CAP was a load of junk, lined the pockets of the already wealthy for producing at a loss. Now the UK can target grants for what the UK needs, to produce what we require and to invest in the environment. Perhaps I will finally get some cash now for my sensitive land management!
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11/03/2021 12:47:55 9 2
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You honestly thought that the ERG were pushing Brexit so we could bring in more stringent environmental controls! How were they going to profit from that?
Next, we'll adjust our food import rules....etc, etc
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11/03/2021 12:41:57 2 3
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Name the conservation charities that you belong to.
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11/03/2021 13:11:49 6 2
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ROFL, Bozo was moving his lips, he was lying. Nothing new there.
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11/03/2021 13:45:37 5 1
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Brexit certainly was and still is a pack of lies. No benefits to it what so ever.

Yet you will find those on this HYS still deluding themselves into thinking it was a good idea. Brexiteers are no different to Anthropogenic Climate Change deniers.
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12/03/2021 14:05:21 0 0
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Yes that's what we were told. I suppose Boris and his special needs cabinet have a new definition of the word strengthen. Anyone surprised?
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12/03/2021 17:41:35 0 0
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Are you delusional? What ever gave you that idea? There was never any chance of the UK having stronger environmental laws than the EU post Brexit, that would cost business and hence cost Tory donors money QED never going to happen. Just like the £350m per week for the NHS.
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11/03/2021 10:38:06 19 11
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the more i look at the bbc website the more i'm convinced its no more than a govt propaganda tool. gone is govt accountability.
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11/03/2021 11:23:01 2 0
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Wonder who govt. mouthpiece is . . .
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11/03/2021 10:29:16 81 19
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We've seen a lot recently any reports (like Patel & bullying) or laws (like Hancock publishing contract details) that this govt don't like they will simply ignore or dismiss.

Are there every any repercussions? No. They do what they like with impunity, yet some people still defend them.

Let us keep defending them and deflecting blame instead of admit that things aren't as great as they seem.
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11/03/2021 10:38:06 51 8
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Then vote them out at the next election.
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11/03/2021 11:25:37 15 2
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What with a first past the post system....? little chance.
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11/03/2021 12:03:38 14 4
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Difficult, given our insane voting system. i.e. 43% of the vote equates to
an 80 seat majority.
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11/03/2021 12:35:23 9 2
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If the Red Wall reverts to type because Boris' promises come to nothing - or even if they remember why they were "unlevelled" in the first place - and self-righteous grandad continues to annoy his kids and grandkids, I can see a backlash coming..... no matter how complacent and smug grandad is right now
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11/03/2021 12:24:55 6 11
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They won't. I suspect that the Conservatives will increase their majority at the next election. They will steer a decent path out of the pandemic, and reap the rewards. While Mr Starmer and his dreadful front bench will slip further behind.
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11/03/2021 13:16:30 6 4
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I have a friend who still believes what Bozo says, how many more people like her are there.
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11/03/2021 14:23:27 5 3
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We don't have democracy
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11/03/2021 18:00:29 2 1
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If only it were that simple!
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12/03/2021 12:03:35 0 0
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FTPT ? Fat chance.
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11/03/2021 10:41:28 15 8
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no problems with the mine (coking coal has to come from SOMEwhere so we may as well mine it here) OR road improvements (free-running roads generate massively less pollution than slow-moving queues). Of course in 10 years time the roads will be redundant as 'green measures' in the form of massively expensive milk floats will have priced all the middle and low income earners off the roads anyway
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11/03/2021 11:09:08 3 1
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Where is the market for the 85% for export? We cannot produce coal as cheap as Australia even with the delivery costs!
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11/03/2021 13:23:05 1 0
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I got my 'massively expensive milk float' for £6k second hand five year ago.

Still good as new. Still goes like a silent clean rocket. Still costs pennies to run. Still leaves massively expensive fume spewing petrol guzzlers standing at the traffic lights.
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11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
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You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 10:42:34 8 1
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so it reduces imports AND helps our balance of payments too, win-win scenario
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11/03/2021 11:11:23 1 0
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Who can afford UK prices?
More cosmetic Brexitory window dressing that allows them to close the curtain and deregulate to their hearts content.

Spineless Rees-Mogg is already a champion of lowering standards.

Liars and hypocrites.
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11/03/2021 10:42:39 31 9
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Rees-Mogg is already a champion of lowering standards.
Reese Mogg, a man of the people. He reinforced this in the HoC, when he said, " Everyone knows Heinz Means Beanz ". When in reality everyone knows Beanz Meanz Heinz.....
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11/03/2021 10:42:51 4 17
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oh no theyve opened a coal mine

were all gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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11/03/2021 10:46:53 10 3
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Yeah, stupid environmentalists! Nothing wrong with breathing in a bit of pollution, it never killed anyone!
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11/03/2021 11:24:14 0 0
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Or suffer from Mass Hysteria apparently.
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11/03/2021 10:44:12 43 15
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Are we surprised?

We voted Brexit to remove "red tape" well "red tape" is environmental protections, health and safety protections, employment protections, laws designed to protect the future for the next generation.

That's why the young who'll have to live with consequences don't want this change but the old (who don't) are much more positive.

The old vote more than the young so here we are.
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11/03/2021 10:52:34 22 32
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No we didn't. We voted Brexit to free ourselves from the EU. All of the EU laws in place at the time were tranferred into UK law.
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11/03/2021 11:22:12 16 1
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"We voted Brexit to remove "red tape" well "red tape" is environmental protections, health and safety protections, employment protections, laws designed to protect the future for the next generation."

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Most of those who voted for Brexit weren't thinking that deeply. They were just doing what their favourite tabloid told them to do.
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11/03/2021 11:32:54 4 0
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If that's true, then there's a message there; that more young voters need to make the effort, no matter how "boring" it may seem to participate in our democratic process in greater numbers.

That's the only way to change the outcomes.

Whining about the outcomes doesn't cut any ice.
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11/03/2021 11:40:58 5 0
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The old dwell on the past while the young try to look to the future.

Twas always the way.

I just wish that a few of my follow oldies would consider what our young people might want from the future, rather than selfishly prescribing it.
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11/03/2021 19:26:51 0 0
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So, your new concept is to change the law without a mandate?
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11/03/2021 19:27:43 0 0
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Why can the young not vote? So much for youthful endeavour.
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11/03/2021 10:33:10 27 3
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"Campaigners have accused the government of hypocrisy"

Hypocrisy is something baked into the job of most politicians. They often rely on most people having short memories, when it comes to what they have previously said or promised. Sadly, all too often this proves to be a successful strategy.
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11/03/2021 17:52:30 6 10
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Most of these ecological campaigners are scientifically ignorant virtue signallers. There is no evidence that atmospheric CO2 levels have ever driven Earth's climate. Their strings are being pulled by globalist interests.
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11/03/2021 10:45:44 24 4
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An article and HYS stating the Government doesn’t mean what it says, or say what it means...

Shocking!
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11/03/2021 10:45:59 33 11
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Put profit before environment and when we've gone past the point of no return, just let the younger generations clear up the mess. Is this not the core tory message?
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11/03/2021 11:06:42 4 20
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Point of no return from what?
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11/03/2021 11:10:12 1 8
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No they have put some common sense before science denying alarmists.
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11/03/2021 10:46:45 47 10
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The Conservative government's environmental protection policies sum up the totality of their approach to every big issue...hot air, distraction, deception and downright lies. It is propaganda before substance, a total contempt for the electorate.
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11/03/2021 14:45:14 16 3
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Spot on, though you forgot that they are hypocrites as well.

Unfortunately the Tory worshippers on this HYS are incapable of realising the double standards. They say that they want high environmental standards, yet continue with HS2, new coal mines, building new roads through Stonehenge etc.

Indoctrination of a large portion of the population that still believes them is a
serious problem.
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11/03/2021 23:16:40 0 1
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Or a total contempt for the twitteratti perhaps.
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11/03/2021 10:42:51 4 17
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oh no theyve opened a coal mine

were all gonna dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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11/03/2021 10:46:53 10 3
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Yeah, stupid environmentalists! Nothing wrong with breathing in a bit of pollution, it never killed anyone!
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11/03/2021 10:49:03 31 10
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The coal plant was only given the go-ahead by an excited Michael Gove, as he was told the UK would be able to produce its own coke. Much to his disappointment, he has since learnt that there is more than one type of coke.
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11/03/2021 11:12:59 19 4
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It was given the go ahead by the local authorities. The government chose not to override them.
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11/03/2021 12:11:50 4 2
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Best post for ages, loved it.
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11/03/2021 12:27:36 3 3
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Gotta love when they take an obvious joke seriously enough to try to correct you.
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11/03/2021 13:12:26 5 0
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Steelmaking coak will always be in demand as it is the cheapest option.

It might be better to produce it here under some control than simply let China, Russia, India, USA etc. fill the gap with virtually no control at all.
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11/03/2021 10:27:27 76 20
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I thought that, post-Brexit, we were going to STRENGTHEN our environmental protections ?
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11/03/2021 10:50:42 77 31
bbc
You, me, all of us, looks like Brexit was a con!
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11/03/2021 13:15:28 8 3
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It's been a con ever since Bozo promised the £350 million a week for the NHS and Farage resorted to "Too many foreigners on trains" as he had no sensible arguments for leaving the EU..
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11/03/2021 10:37:21 4 18
bbc
Sometimes you have to bend the rules out of national necessity.
38
11/03/2021 10:51:52 9 1
bbc
Sometimes you have to lie, steal, cheat, even to the point that it becomes standard govt policy.
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11/03/2021 11:08:48 0 0
bbc
Politics is a dirty business and I thought Armando Innucci hit it spot on with "In The Loop" about spiced up documents and political machinations.
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11/03/2021 10:44:12 43 15
bbc
Are we surprised?

We voted Brexit to remove "red tape" well "red tape" is environmental protections, health and safety protections, employment protections, laws designed to protect the future for the next generation.

That's why the young who'll have to live with consequences don't want this change but the old (who don't) are much more positive.

The old vote more than the young so here we are.
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11/03/2021 10:52:34 22 32
bbc
No we didn't. We voted Brexit to free ourselves from the EU. All of the EU laws in place at the time were tranferred into UK law.
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11/03/2021 11:00:33 16 1
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And they are being broken already - that is the whole point of the story! And now there is now no higher court to stop our govt selling our kids future to their mates in big business (like road building and mining).

You have just proved what Remainers have been saying about Brexiters!
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11/03/2021 11:09:26 11 2
bbc
"All of the EU laws in place at the time"

The key words being "at the time". Now they are being eroded and replaced.
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11/03/2021 11:20:23 8 2
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A tory? Lying ? Gosh . .
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11/03/2021 11:41:07 5 0
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..and are now being steadily eroded, as planned...
445
11/03/2021 20:21:11 0 0
bbc
No, they were already there.
453
11/03/2021 20:32:02 2 0
bbc
Free from the EU - Britain first really ? Britain on its own more like - I suppose we can be self sufficient in winter cabbages - who needs food from Europe, or trade with Europe, or workers, or scientific cooperation, or cultural interaction? We do and we continue to share a planet, values, culture, business, history, etc - Brexit is a mess and will always be a disaster!
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12/03/2021 13:18:17 0 0
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Then why did we vote to leave, if we were just going to bring the EU laws with us. And of course, in order to keep trading with the EU we will still have to abide by their laws regarding product safety etc. Seems like leaving was a waste of time...
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12/03/2021 14:18:51 0 0
bbc
No you and a tiny majority voted for Brexit because we were told that there would be 350 million extra a week for the NHS. Others voted Brexit because they did not like that idiot Cameron after his farcical "renegotiation" or because they were Labour voters and thought they it was an election!
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11/03/2021 10:36:49 36 14
bbc
Most leave voters happily dismiss the climate catastrophe as "fake news", see also Trumpists.
40
11/03/2021 10:52:41 11 3
bbc
But there is no such thing as climate, not once is it mentioned in the Bible.
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11/03/2021 11:09:25 1 2
bbc
Wrong judges chapter 3 verse 2
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11/03/2021 10:48:41 11 0
bbc
The government's priorities are clear.
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11/03/2021 10:58:29 9 3
bbc
Yes, profit before all else, like the song: Profit Uber alles.
Removed
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11/03/2021 10:35:51 5 14
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just start digging, and measure the impact and then decide
Effect of one mine is negligible
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11/03/2021 10:53:29 4 0
bbc
Take any one thing, e.g. one diesel car and its impact is negligible.
22
11/03/2021 10:27:27 76 20
bbc
I thought that, post-Brexit, we were going to STRENGTHEN our environmental protections ?
43
11/03/2021 10:53:31 2 12
bbc
Why?
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11/03/2021 10:32:27 8 20
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Environmental campaigners would say that wouldn't they.
44
11/03/2021 10:54:38 3 7
bbc
The Environment is a myth made up by woke commie remoaner lefties.
7
11/03/2021 10:30:20 26 8
bbc
The UK not meeting its pre-agreed climate change targets? No surprise there.

Net zero carbon emissions will never be met in this country, I fear.
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11/03/2021 10:55:13 1 6
bbc
Good. Finally some commen sense.
3
11/03/2021 10:28:25 53 15
bbc
As always with this government their actions never match their words.
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11/03/2021 10:55:40 33 7
bbc
Untrue, Boris Johnson promised to line the pockets of his friends and he's been true to his word.
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11/03/2021 10:27:27 76 20
bbc
I thought that, post-Brexit, we were going to STRENGTHEN our environmental protections ?
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sw
11/03/2021 10:56:14 28 7
bbc
This is what BREXIT was about. To make as much money as possible, as quickly as possible for the Tory elite. With a race to the bottom with no care for the environment, or employment protection, and many other other good laws that they will shred as soon as they can. What a legacy for the future, with a "goldrush" mentality. Obscene.
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11/03/2021 12:23:01 2 10
bbc
The Tory Elite were against Brexit! Because they benefited hugely from being in the EU. Just see how much Micheal Heseltine, a wealthy man, received from the CAP scheme. The EU is about as corrupt as it comes.
2
11/03/2021 10:27:03 112 35
bbc
The UK is lowering its environmental standards post-Brexit.

Seriously, what did people expect?
48
11/03/2021 10:56:40 89 34
bbc
Brexit is the gateway to becoming a fully fledged Banana Republic.
66
11/03/2021 11:03:40 13 20
bbc
No bananas wont grow here, but bigots do.
195
11/03/2021 12:26:37 9 1
bbc
They'll be free range, organic, bananas
Or so Boris says
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11/03/2021 12:41:49 4 4
bbc
You sound like the sort of chap who needs a multi-million pound PPE contract!
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11/03/2021 13:12:02 4 3
bbc
Perhaps Bozo is counting on Global Warming so that we can grow the Banana's here!

};-)
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12/03/2021 01:09:27 0 0
bbc
Bananas are in short supply.

Governing Nuts are aplenty.
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11/03/2021 10:58:03 22 6
bbc
But Gove stated we would not do. Just goes to show you cannot trust the tories to stick to their word.
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11/03/2021 10:59:52 3 9
bbc
Personally I trust the word of oily snake Gove.
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11/03/2021 11:18:37 1 0
bbc
Followers their leaders example.
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11/03/2021 10:48:41 11 0
bbc
The government's priorities are clear.
50
11/03/2021 10:58:29 9 3
bbc
Yes, profit before all else, like the song: Profit Uber alles.
51
11/03/2021 10:58:55 2 20
bbc
Pesonally, I am fed up with all this ennvironment rubbish. The planet will survice long after we have gone. The next generation(s) will find alternative fuels and ways of doing things just as we have. We do not need to save the planet, we need to save humanity. That starts with hygene. I'd rather use disposable (clean) carrier bags if it means that I'm less likely to catch a virus.
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11/03/2021 11:01:33 13 1
bbc
Yeah! Sod everyone else! It's every man for himself! Grab what you can!
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sw
11/03/2021 11:02:26 3 2
bbc
There is too much humanity. If we do not save the planet, there will be no humanity, it is all interconnected.
You ar environmental rubbish - just like your Liar clown. Removed
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11/03/2021 10:59:23 25 3
bbc
Alternative facts.
Continue to say how well everything is going while the plain evidence is totally the opposite.
49
11/03/2021 10:58:03 22 6
bbc
But Gove stated we would not do. Just goes to show you cannot trust the tories to stick to their word.
53
11/03/2021 10:59:52 3 9
bbc
Personally I trust the word of oily snake Gove.
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11/03/2021 11:08:47 3 4
bbc
After reading threereplies from you I don't trust anything that you say either.
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11/03/2021 10:31:44 7 4
bbc
I tend to agree with you on some points there, but the fact that the first comment you make is about how "biased" this piece is shows your own bias, wouldn't you say?
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11/03/2021 11:00:00 1 1
bbc
One simple example: Quoting FoE anti road building, whereas relief roads ease congestion & increase air quality. So just saying roads are evil is just biased propaganda from his usual friends & sources
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11/03/2021 10:52:34 22 32
bbc
No we didn't. We voted Brexit to free ourselves from the EU. All of the EU laws in place at the time were tranferred into UK law.
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11/03/2021 11:00:33 16 1
bbc
And they are being broken already - that is the whole point of the story! And now there is now no higher court to stop our govt selling our kids future to their mates in big business (like road building and mining).

You have just proved what Remainers have been saying about Brexiters!
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11/03/2021 16:15:13 0 6
bbc
Just what is wrong with, mining speciality coal for use in steel making?

What is wrong with road building? Do we need to get from A to B?

It is really sad that people open their mouths without thinking.

I have never met an environmentalist who is not a hypocrite!

Do you live your lives without transport, minerals, electricity, internet, medicine, windows, bricks, tiles. The list is endless.
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11/03/2021 11:00:33 56 7
bbc
The government promised a bonfire of regulation once we left the EU. It has increased trade regulation dramatically, but is looking to deliver elsewhere. The environment, health and safety, workers rights, the constitution etc. are all under threat
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11/03/2021 11:01:59 10 55
bbc
and about time too
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11/03/2021 11:17:06 13 1
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You missed food standards, animal welfare, customer rights.
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11/03/2021 13:01:13 1 1
bbc
I can vouch for the complexity of EC directives as they applied to water quality and far more time had to be spent reading and digesting the regulations than actually implementing them.

At one point, there were about 200 standards applying to drinking water alone and that's before starting the bathing water directive, then the surface water directives and so on.
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11/03/2021 22:19:57 0 0
bbc
the uk has an unwritten constitution
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11/03/2021 11:00:54 48 15
bbc
Most people know the Tories have never cared about the environment - the investment doesn't return enough profit for them. Its always in the manifesto though as it tempts a few more gullible people into voting for them
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11/03/2021 11:11:56 21 29
bbc
Most people know this isn't true.
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11/03/2021 13:06:54 3 1
bbc
No government, Labour, Tory or coalition ever put the environment top of the agenda.

The Greens, with one MP, like to say what they would do, but their economics don't match the real world.
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11/03/2021 12:55:14 2 3
bbc
Do you care about the environment. Which environmental and conservation charities do you belong to? How do you reduce your own footprint? Any green tips you would like to share with us?
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11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
bbc
News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
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11/03/2021 11:02:46 4 9
bbc
Well said.
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11/03/2021 11:04:17 7 1
bbc
Newsflash: I have nothing but contempt for you all! (core tory belief).
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11/03/2021 11:07:35 4 2
bbc
News flash.
Any coal mined in this new venture will not be used in the UK anyway it is reported. Keep up
77
11/03/2021 11:08:29 2 3
bbc
Can't you avoid using coal by using an Electric arc furnace? Or is this not practical?
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11/03/2021 11:14:19 3 1
bbc
You’re not suggesting, a previous Tory Government closed our mines for nothing?
That we have the resources to distribute globally?
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11/03/2021 11:14:36 3 2
bbc
"steel is made with coal"

What about recycling with clean energy?

What about investing in clean, coal-free steel production?
Is there the political will, or does this government rely on continual greenwash?
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11/03/2021 10:37:50 6 3
bbc
Yes it is - read the articles

Some is for export to Europe - still better than shipping it in from Australia though.
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11/03/2021 11:01:09 6 2
bbc
I have read the articles. One from just 2 days ago stated that "85% of the coal from this mine will be exported."

85% isn't just "some," it's rather a lot.
7
11/03/2021 10:30:20 26 8
bbc
The UK not meeting its pre-agreed climate change targets? No surprise there.

Net zero carbon emissions will never be met in this country, I fear.
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11/03/2021 11:01:24 2 3
bbc
As usual you lack the evidence for you claim.
51
11/03/2021 10:58:55 2 20
bbc
Pesonally, I am fed up with all this ennvironment rubbish. The planet will survice long after we have gone. The next generation(s) will find alternative fuels and ways of doing things just as we have. We do not need to save the planet, we need to save humanity. That starts with hygene. I'd rather use disposable (clean) carrier bags if it means that I'm less likely to catch a virus.
61
11/03/2021 11:01:33 13 1
bbc
Yeah! Sod everyone else! It's every man for himself! Grab what you can!
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11/03/2021 11:07:08 0 4
bbc
That's not what I said. Please read before replying.
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11/03/2021 11:00:33 56 7
bbc
The government promised a bonfire of regulation once we left the EU. It has increased trade regulation dramatically, but is looking to deliver elsewhere. The environment, health and safety, workers rights, the constitution etc. are all under threat
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11/03/2021 11:01:59 10 55
bbc
and about time too
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sw
11/03/2021 11:20:13 15 2
bbc
You must be one of the one the money grabbing Tory elite.
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11/03/2021 11:21:04 8 2
bbc
? Are you British ?
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11/03/2021 11:48:19 13 1
bbc
Grenfell not soon enough for you then.

The deadly cladding material sold by Arconic came here because they were targetting 'low regulation' environments for sales of their fatal product.
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11/03/2021 10:58:55 2 20
bbc
Pesonally, I am fed up with all this ennvironment rubbish. The planet will survice long after we have gone. The next generation(s) will find alternative fuels and ways of doing things just as we have. We do not need to save the planet, we need to save humanity. That starts with hygene. I'd rather use disposable (clean) carrier bags if it means that I'm less likely to catch a virus.
63
sw
11/03/2021 11:02:26 3 2
bbc
There is too much humanity. If we do not save the planet, there will be no humanity, it is all interconnected.
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11/03/2021 11:13:18 4 1
bbc
Ou cannot reason with people like Andy. They are Myopic Self Centered Rightwing zealots. With them it’s always Me, Me, Me what can I get out of it. They remind me of Gollem from Lord of the Rings and just as disgusting. They hold progress back in most fields of human advancement, if it doesn’t benefit them. Mind you if there’s a War they’re all for others going first.
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11/03/2021 11:59:19 0 0
bbc
Really? So I suppose you welcom COVID? You sound like the type of person that wants a world war every few yeas to cull the population.
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11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
bbc
News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
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11/03/2021 11:02:46 4 9
bbc
Well said.
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11/03/2021 10:37:03 105 6
bbc
We live in the information age but it is ironic that the tools are being used to construct a post-truth society, a society were falsehood are elevated above facts, were lies are more valued than the truth.
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11/03/2021 11:02:55 28 117
bbc
which lies? You mean climate hysteria, promulgated by the MSM but not supported by inconvenient facts??
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sw
11/03/2021 11:09:28 36 7
bbc
Are you Donald Trump?
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RPH
11/03/2021 11:22:08 26 6
bbc
If you tell us your qualifications, we will be able to judge if we should listen to you, rather than the world's scientific community. (" I did research on YouTube" does not count as a qualification)
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11/03/2021 12:38:14 28 7
bbc
Almost everything bozo says is a lie. Still no apology from this week’s lie at PMQs on Labour voting against the NHS funding even though there was no vote! For other lies, read any of his columns from his time at the torygrapgh. Or £350 million extra per week to the NHS after brexicide...........
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11/03/2021 13:10:40 6 1
bbc
And your scientific qualifications are?
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11/03/2021 13:10:11 7 1
bbc
No, all the ones that come out of Boris's gob. He has proven form for lying (he has even been sacked from two jobs for lying), so yes, there seem to be a lot of people in this country who elevate his lies above the truth.
353
11/03/2021 14:22:26 7 1
bbc
99% of the world's scientists agree that climate change is the biggest threat to mankind

99%
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11/03/2021 17:21:42 2 0
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But supported by good science. How inconvenient for a peddler offline so such as yourself.
436
11/03/2021 19:49:45 3 0
bbc
Climate hysteria? Shut up. Climate and the natural world is in real crisis, down to mankind.
442
11/03/2021 20:12:37 6 0
bbc
Lapthorn - you really need to do some basic scientific analyses - thin layer of air, a bit more ocean, carbon inputs to these masses in the last 50 years, destruction of the biomass = climate change. Its not hysteria it's scientic consensus based on empirical evidence and observations - your opinion counts for nothing and you are in a tiny minority - do you believe the earth is flat as well?
471
11/03/2021 23:06:28 1 1
bbc
If we don't mine the coking coal in Cumbria we'll just have to import it from somewhere else.
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12/03/2021 12:02:44 0 0
bbc
berxit, covid, HS2, healthcare, tax-dodging, fracking - those Lies, remember now ?
559
12/03/2021 14:03:12 0 0
bbc
That's a bit vague for me. You need to make your point more clearly - try again.
48
11/03/2021 10:56:40 89 34
bbc
Brexit is the gateway to becoming a fully fledged Banana Republic.
66
11/03/2021 11:03:40 13 20
bbc
No bananas wont grow here, but bigots do.
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sw
11/03/2021 11:18:35 16 0
bbc
Banana plants do grow here in the UK.
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Pip
11/03/2021 14:29:38 0 0
bbc
Talking of which.........?
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11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
bbc
News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
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11/03/2021 11:04:17 7 1
bbc
Newsflash: I have nothing but contempt for you all! (core tory belief).
More cosmetic Brexitory window dressing that allows them to close the curtain and deregulate to their hearts content.

Spineless Rees-Mogg is already a champion of lowering standards.

Liars and hypocrites.
68
11/03/2021 11:04:18 1 5
bbc
Dear me triggered again. Find a cushion to bite.
7
11/03/2021 10:30:20 26 8
bbc
The UK not meeting its pre-agreed climate change targets? No surprise there.

Net zero carbon emissions will never be met in this country, I fear.
69
11/03/2021 11:05:38 5 3
bbc
Net zero is a con, a meaningless con and frankly cannot be achieved, its pure and simple greenwash.
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11/03/2021 11:35:53 3 2
bbc
It depends on how it is calculated. I followed a "net zero" diesel taxi in a traffic jam for a while which is plainly nonsense. If emissions reductions were calculated on a full life cycle assessment approach without carbon credits, people would have a lot more faith. But there needs to be standardised assessment as being introduced in the EU PEFCR (we hope).
13
11/03/2021 10:33:08 28 8
bbc
To be fair, nor will any other country on the planet.
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11/03/2021 11:06:09 3 5
bbc
spot on....its just greenwash
33
11/03/2021 10:45:59 33 11
bbc
Put profit before environment and when we've gone past the point of no return, just let the younger generations clear up the mess. Is this not the core tory message?
71
11/03/2021 11:06:42 4 20
bbc
Point of no return from what?
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11/03/2021 11:22:37 5 0
bbc
Health. Dur . .
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11/03/2021 23:25:21 0 0
bbc
People making vast amounts of cash from "green energy". Al Gore having been rejected bu US voters produced his famous film which the High Court said was political propaganda and shoudn't be shown in Schools. He thgan came up with the idea of carbon permits and set up a carbon trading company which netted him millions.
14
11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
bbc
You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 11:06:45 5 0
bbc
A portion of it is for steel making in the UK, the rest is for the EU.

So a simple question that you & your ilk have completely failed to answer many times before is:

For steel making is it "greener" to:
a) use high quality grade coal from the UK with less transport emissions to EU

b) use poor quality coal transported from the other side of the planet.
91
11/03/2021 11:12:37 4 1
bbc
Poland, Ukraine and Russia also produce anthracite, so no need to fetch it from Australia.
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11/03/2021 11:52:55 0 0
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Not sure what you mean by "you and your ilk," Grumpy. I'll let it slide, though.

The answer to your extremely leading and patronising question is obvious. Just so we're clear, I am not inherently against the building of this coal mine.
61
11/03/2021 11:01:33 13 1
bbc
Yeah! Sod everyone else! It's every man for himself! Grab what you can!
73
11/03/2021 11:07:08 0 4
bbc
That's not what I said. Please read before replying.
1
11/03/2021 10:26:05 18 11
bbc
The Dirty Man of Europe ?
74
11/03/2021 11:07:17 1 1
bbc
I think you will find that it isnt the UK
58
11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
bbc
News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
75
11/03/2021 11:07:35 4 2
bbc
News flash.
Any coal mined in this new venture will not be used in the UK anyway it is reported. Keep up
76
11/03/2021 11:08:00 9 1
bbc
Be better if government got all open & honest, said "Sheet's accelerating down the pan Baby! & pretty soon we all gonna be dead on the back of that sheet". Get Jacob Rees-Mogg announce it!
58
11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
bbc
News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
77
11/03/2021 11:08:29 2 3
bbc
Can't you avoid using coal by using an Electric arc furnace? Or is this not practical?
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11/03/2021 11:13:57 5 1
bbc
Not really for primary steel production. Only on reworking.
Removed
17
11/03/2021 10:37:03 105 6
bbc
We live in the information age but it is ironic that the tools are being used to construct a post-truth society, a society were falsehood are elevated above facts, were lies are more valued than the truth.
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11/03/2021 10:58:03 16 23
bbc
A very sound comment. You only have to look a little closer at the bilge and deliberate misinformation spouted about the monarchy by - amongst others, the BBC - to see the truth in your statement.
Who was it said that if you tell a big enough lie, it becomes the truth?
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11/03/2021 11:19:10 8 4
bbc
Or you can use your eyes :) Try that someday.
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RPH
11/03/2021 11:19:43 19 5
bbc
Probably the same person who coined the phrase "Sticking your head in the sand". Come on, get your head out of that hole and look at the evidence, if only for the sake of your children.
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Pip
11/03/2021 14:26:30 1 0
bbc
Brexit being a good case in point.............?
441
11/03/2021 20:10:11 1 0
bbc
Dominic Cummings.
444
11/03/2021 20:17:53 1 0
bbc
Biffo - Lapthorns' comment isn't sound at all - its baseless and making a link between BBC reporting of the Monarchy and the Climate Change issue is simply not the only thing to look at is it - how can you not see that 8B people consuming and polluting on a finite planet at an increasing rate won't cause environmental problems? Look at the facts rather than what's in your head maybe!
473
11/03/2021 23:09:00 0 0
bbc
Geobbels.
53
11/03/2021 10:59:52 3 9
bbc
Personally I trust the word of oily snake Gove.
79
11/03/2021 11:08:47 3 4
bbc
After reading threereplies from you I don't trust anything that you say either.
38
11/03/2021 10:51:52 9 1
bbc
Sometimes you have to lie, steal, cheat, even to the point that it becomes standard govt policy.
80
11/03/2021 11:08:48 0 0
bbc
Politics is a dirty business and I thought Armando Innucci hit it spot on with "In The Loop" about spiced up documents and political machinations.
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11/03/2021 10:36:49 36 14
bbc
Most leave voters happily dismiss the climate catastrophe as "fake news", see also Trumpists.
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11/03/2021 11:08:55 3 9
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You clearly dont read the IPCC full report, which states very clearly there is no climate emergency.
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11/03/2021 11:28:27 5 1
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Can you link to that please?
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11/03/2021 11:29:03 7 1
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You really do live in an alternative universe.
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11/03/2021 10:41:28 15 8
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no problems with the mine (coking coal has to come from SOMEwhere so we may as well mine it here) OR road improvements (free-running roads generate massively less pollution than slow-moving queues). Of course in 10 years time the roads will be redundant as 'green measures' in the form of massively expensive milk floats will have priced all the middle and low income earners off the roads anyway
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11/03/2021 11:09:08 3 1
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Where is the market for the 85% for export? We cannot produce coal as cheap as Australia even with the delivery costs!
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11/03/2021 10:52:41 11 3
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But there is no such thing as climate, not once is it mentioned in the Bible.
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11/03/2021 11:09:25 1 2
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Wrong judges chapter 3 verse 2
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11/03/2021 10:52:34 22 32
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No we didn't. We voted Brexit to free ourselves from the EU. All of the EU laws in place at the time were tranferred into UK law.
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11/03/2021 11:09:26 11 2
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"All of the EU laws in place at the time"

The key words being "at the time". Now they are being eroded and replaced.
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11/03/2021 11:02:55 28 117
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which lies? You mean climate hysteria, promulgated by the MSM but not supported by inconvenient facts??
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11/03/2021 11:09:28 36 7
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Are you Donald Trump?
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11/03/2021 10:45:59 33 11
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Put profit before environment and when we've gone past the point of no return, just let the younger generations clear up the mess. Is this not the core tory message?
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11/03/2021 11:10:12 1 8
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No they have put some common sense before science denying alarmists.
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11/03/2021 10:35:00 14 3
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You realise most of the coal that will be mined from this particular mine will be exported, right? It's not for UK steel.
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11/03/2021 11:10:49 2 0
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Except there is not market for expensive anthracite.
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11/03/2021 12:25:01 1 0
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Wrong, there is a market for high grade coal in steel making,
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11/03/2021 10:42:34 8 1
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so it reduces imports AND helps our balance of payments too, win-win scenario
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11/03/2021 11:11:23 1 0
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Who can afford UK prices?
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11/03/2021 11:00:54 48 15
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Most people know the Tories have never cared about the environment - the investment doesn't return enough profit for them. Its always in the manifesto though as it tempts a few more gullible people into voting for them
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11/03/2021 11:11:56 21 29
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Most people know this isn't true.
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11/03/2021 11:21:45 2 1
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Put it to a vote - talk is so cheap.
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11/03/2021 11:50:26 7 2
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I wish it wasn't true Dave, I really do. I'm a real environmentalist so follow all the policies put forward. I'm not even saying the other major parties are much better. The Greens (an obvious minority party) have a great vision, but are too minor to influence greatly. This 'revelation' is just one of many unfortunately. The environment is too far down the Tories list of importance unfortunately.
Removed
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11/03/2021 11:12:23 11 1
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The Tories always take the short term profit today view.
There is money to be made in Green technology but it requires investment and investors who would have to put off profits for several years before payback. A complete no-no for this gang of profiteers.
They forget that Bezos et al ran loss making online companies for years. Look at them now.
It was said to be all change after Covid. Not.
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11/03/2021 11:06:45 5 0
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A portion of it is for steel making in the UK, the rest is for the EU.

So a simple question that you & your ilk have completely failed to answer many times before is:

For steel making is it "greener" to:
a) use high quality grade coal from the UK with less transport emissions to EU

b) use poor quality coal transported from the other side of the planet.
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11/03/2021 11:12:37 4 1
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Poland, Ukraine and Russia also produce anthracite, so no need to fetch it from Australia.
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11/03/2021 10:49:03 31 10
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The coal plant was only given the go-ahead by an excited Michael Gove, as he was told the UK would be able to produce its own coke. Much to his disappointment, he has since learnt that there is more than one type of coke.
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11/03/2021 11:12:59 19 4
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It was given the go ahead by the local authorities. The government chose not to override them.
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11/03/2021 11:34:17 5 1
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The government have not overridden the council. The council passed the planning application BEFORE the environmental assessment by the government was done. It still has not been done.
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11/03/2021 11:02:26 3 2
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There is too much humanity. If we do not save the planet, there will be no humanity, it is all interconnected.
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11/03/2021 11:13:18 4 1
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Ou cannot reason with people like Andy. They are Myopic Self Centered Rightwing zealots. With them it’s always Me, Me, Me what can I get out of it. They remind me of Gollem from Lord of the Rings and just as disgusting. They hold progress back in most fields of human advancement, if it doesn’t benefit them. Mind you if there’s a War they’re all for others going first.
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11/03/2021 12:01:03 0 0
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You crack me up. Actually I served time in th army. Should bring back Natinal Service. That would teach tdays young a few things.
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11/03/2021 10:26:05 18 11
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The Dirty Man of Europe ?
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11/03/2021 11:13:57 3 0
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So Germany has more road miles per citizen.
Poland & Germany use more coal than the UK

so no the UK is not the worst. Not the best either.
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11/03/2021 11:08:29 2 3
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Can't you avoid using coal by using an Electric arc furnace? Or is this not practical?
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11/03/2021 11:13:57 5 1
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Not really for primary steel production. Only on reworking.
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11/03/2021 11:15:59 0 0
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Oh well. Perhaps one day, eh?
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11/03/2021 11:14:13 7 4
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The elephant in the room is that all efforts to reduce our environmental impact are undermined if our governments continue to ignore the UK's population growth.

More people = more pollution.

Up to now; governments have been encouraging population growth for distinctly non-environmental reasons.
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11/03/2021 11:29:09 3 4
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Population's decreased by a million in the last year according to the ONS. Keep up.
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11/03/2021 11:51:48 1 1
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Current projections for population decline in the UK (which is already happening) don't yet take account of the massive decline in human sperm count recently reported . We can expect far fewer people of working age by the end of the century. And by the way, by this time well over half the population will be 'mixed race' which should please the quitters...
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11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
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News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
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11/03/2021 11:14:19 3 1
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You’re not suggesting, a previous Tory Government closed our mines for nothing?
That we have the resources to distribute globally?
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11/03/2021 11:14:31 1 8
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That Cumbrian coal project isn't a blot on the landscape is it?

At least Saddique hasn't built one of those in Croydon................yet
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11/03/2021 11:18:58 9 1
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What are you on about? Another Tory Clown
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11/03/2021 11:01:08 8 17
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News flash environmentalists.... steel is made with coal, steel is used to make cool stuff. Its better to mine it on shore than have it imported from Australia or china. Its obvious to anyone with half a brain cell. Second news flash...All gases produced both human and natural move around the planet. Unilateral action is utterly pointless
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11/03/2021 11:14:36 3 2
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"steel is made with coal"

What about recycling with clean energy?

What about investing in clean, coal-free steel production?
Is there the political will, or does this government rely on continual greenwash?
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11/03/2021 11:13:57 5 1
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Not really for primary steel production. Only on reworking.
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11/03/2021 11:15:59 0 0
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Oh well. Perhaps one day, eh?