Magicians' tactics found in politics and marketing
11/03/2021 | news | education | 165
Magicians use "powerful tools" of psychology to manipulate people's behaviour, say researchers.
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11/03/2021 10:29:10 9 1
bbc
People don't need to understand magic tricks - they just need listen for consistency in politicians answers. Is a particular politicians position consistent over time or do all politicians from a party say exactly the same quote? It's really not that difficult, but it does require actually listening to answers.
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11/03/2021 14:05:46 3 4
bbc
So you want a politician that is unyielding with their dogma despite the new facts being presented.

So what did happen with Corbyn after his principled position was seen as being pig-headed?
2
11/03/2021 10:31:46 36 7
bbc
We all know politicians of all parties lie. We're just simply content to believe whichever set of lies suits our own prejudice and agenda. They know it, we know it. We all know that Track and Trace has wasted between 4 -37 billion pounds. We know it was directed to Harding as a 'payment'. We know it but we're prepared to tolerate it. Then we wonder why they keep doing it...
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11/03/2021 11:00:29 26 4
bbc
Absolutely, shame on us really, complete public apathy. But....who do we vote for? Who is the best of a bad bunch? The rich keeping the poor poor and making them grateful for charity and handouts.
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11/03/2021 11:15:08 2 3
bbc
We all know?
139
11/03/2021 19:33:58 1 3
bbc
Because, sadly, so many of the British public live life on their knees in subservience to every arrogant idiot who blusters out false promises and panders to their prejudices in a posh-boy Eton accent!
Suckers, slaves and servants who deserve far, far better!
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DG
11/03/2021 10:33:12 7 5
bbc
This reminds of the Budget..... blind siding with untruths that only the rich can see through.
4
11/03/2021 10:35:50 6 3
bbc
I thought all politicians went to drama school and learned to lie with a straight face.
5
11/03/2021 10:36:39 5 6
bbc
Magicians are mostly harmless. Politicians & Big Pharma is a very different matter.
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11/03/2021 10:51:06 10 2
bbc
Pharma has given us a covid vaccine and many anticancer drugs.
6
11/03/2021 10:36:53 11 1
bbc
The easiest way of not being manipulated by politicians is to avoid listening to the lying bar stewards in the first place.
47
11/03/2021 12:18:10 5 1
bbc
Maybe we could saw one or two in half, or make them disappear from the Commons benches and reappear in the public gallery.
7
11/03/2021 10:38:13 17 6
bbc
That £350 million a week soon disappeared didn't it!
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11/03/2021 12:15:37 8 2
bbc
Up Track n Trace creek without a paddle.
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11/03/2021 14:07:41 0 2
bbc
In that case you really didnt listen what was being said.
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11/03/2021 10:41:21 3 4
bbc
It's called Marketing. It's hardly a shock that people use tactic to get us to believe things, or to buy things etc. That's just the way of the world. It would be very dull if we only ever did the things we absolutely have to do to survive.
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11/03/2021 10:42:58 15 8
bbc
He sees politicians increasingly drawing on the tactic of "misdirection", where a magician draws the audience's attention in one direction, with something noisy or spectacular, while the real moves are being made out of sight.

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you The Great Johnson
84
11/03/2021 14:09:37 1 5
bbc
Whereas Corbyn tried to fool people with being a nice?? How did that work
Or the Great Pretender Starmer who retro fits his policies
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11/03/2021 10:29:30 19 3
bbc
Of course, it's immensely helpful if people have the good sense to take the default view that, unless there is strong evidence to the contrary, a politician is a liar and a cheat who will seize every opportunity to deceive them.
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11/03/2021 15:59:45 5 2
bbc
Exactly.

The fact that the "record has been corrected" after Boris lied about Starmer's voting record, i.e. Boris was not made to apologise in parliament, suggests that lies will be told and then cover-ups attempted.

Same with the non-publication of COVID related contracts within the required period of time.
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11/03/2021 10:36:39 5 6
bbc
Magicians are mostly harmless. Politicians & Big Pharma is a very different matter.
11
11/03/2021 10:51:06 10 2
bbc
Pharma has given us a covid vaccine and many anticancer drugs.
18
11/03/2021 11:08:00 1 3
bbc
They sure did but however the pharma companys get sued 100s of millions for injury and deaths to meds you can look it up
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11/03/2021 14:55:40 0 1
bbc
Have you seen Pharma adverts? They are brilliant at creating fear and the media lap up their marketing money. Don't even get me started on the political lobbying...if we educated the next generation about good mental health, sensible diet and moderate physical exercise Big Pharma, fast food empires, supermarkets, the NHS as it works now would be reduced to bit part players in our lives.
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11/03/2021 10:51:46 5 3
bbc
Greatest illusion of the last 12 months is that every aspect of the lockdown is completely necessary. It's just not statistically possible that every measure is equal, we'll probably find out in a few years that some of them are even counter productive due to people rushing to do things before and after.

We are all told lockdown works, I'm not denying that, but which bits work better?
19
11/03/2021 10:58:51 3 4
bbc
The greatest illusion, over the last 12 months comes when one multiplies the government's own figure for the total number of covid-19 infections we have had by its well accepted 0.3% infection fatality rate. The number of expected deaths one gets is about one tenth of what have been reported. Try it for yourself!

Funny, that.
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RPH
11/03/2021 15:29:47 1 1
bbc
"we'll probably find out in a few years that some of them are even counter productive". Yes, it's called hindsight. And it's easy to be clever what that's what you are using.
165
12/03/2021 22:53:05 0 0
bbc
Shut up, you're not a doctor.
13
11/03/2021 10:54:34 18 7
bbc
One of the biggest illusions the government uses is in the realm of public sector pay and pay increases. The government only has to pay public service workers' their NET pay. The tax and National Insurance deducted is money the government would have in its possession whether a person is employed by the the government or not. It is like paying yourself for decorating your home.
48
11/03/2021 12:19:36 13 7
bbc
Sunak pulled a rabbit from a hat when he printed £400 billion and gave 10% of it straight to Dido's snout in troughers.
59
11/03/2021 12:37:07 5 1
bbc
There's another piece of magic you've missed, The Idea that "The Government" pays anyone"! "The government" doesn't have any money, It's Our money, We pay all the civil service, NHS and council workers.
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11/03/2021 12:39:18 4 7
bbc
So? Net, it comes to the same thing and accounting is much easier to be fair this way round. Tax codes and rates vary it would have to be adjusted in every individual pay rate if net. As some would lose out and be whinging they lost beneficial tax positions!

Public sector pay needs cutting.
118
11/03/2021 15:20:14 1 4
bbc
And then there's certain public pensions too. 25-35% employer(the government) deduction and 8-13% employee deduction - ergo potential claw-back of 48% of staffing costs....and then there's NI and IT...puts a whole new perspective on announced funding figures...obviously there is the pension cost! Cue the public pension comments!!!!
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MVP
11/03/2021 10:57:11 2 1
bbc
Politicians using slight of hand to deceive the public?

They are devious bunch aren't they?
15
11/03/2021 10:58:17 2 1
bbc
LOL you dont say ( Bidermans chart )
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11/03/2021 18:42:54 0 1
bbc
It really depends how success is measured.
2
11/03/2021 10:31:46 36 7
bbc
We all know politicians of all parties lie. We're just simply content to believe whichever set of lies suits our own prejudice and agenda. They know it, we know it. We all know that Track and Trace has wasted between 4 -37 billion pounds. We know it was directed to Harding as a 'payment'. We know it but we're prepared to tolerate it. Then we wonder why they keep doing it...
16
11/03/2021 11:00:29 26 4
bbc
Absolutely, shame on us really, complete public apathy. But....who do we vote for? Who is the best of a bad bunch? The rich keeping the poor poor and making them grateful for charity and handouts.
132
11/03/2021 16:34:27 2 6
bbc
Typical left wing propaganda. There us no such thing as poverty in the U.K. What you have is needy lazy people afraid of hard work.
17
11/03/2021 11:06:13 3 3
bbc
No illusion about the £37 billion spent on a 99% failed test and trace , the 1% pay rise for nurses nor that Johnson is PM and Brexit did happen. The rest of the illusions are the norm, like pension fund landlords can’t evict a business if they haven’t paid rent. So pension fund gets less and guess what, magic, the public will get less pension. Illusion? Chancellor has done what it takes!
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11/03/2021 11:14:27 1 3
bbc
How has test and trace failed exactly? Please be specific.
11
11/03/2021 10:51:06 10 2
bbc
Pharma has given us a covid vaccine and many anticancer drugs.
18
11/03/2021 11:08:00 1 3
bbc
They sure did but however the pharma companys get sued 100s of millions for injury and deaths to meds you can look it up
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RPH
11/03/2021 15:33:14 0 1
bbc
So will you be refusing the anti-cancer drugs, vaccines, blood-pressure drugs, pain-killers, statins......Or are you going to accept their offerings while making accusations about the damage those offerings do?
12
11/03/2021 10:51:46 5 3
bbc
Greatest illusion of the last 12 months is that every aspect of the lockdown is completely necessary. It's just not statistically possible that every measure is equal, we'll probably find out in a few years that some of them are even counter productive due to people rushing to do things before and after.

We are all told lockdown works, I'm not denying that, but which bits work better?
19
11/03/2021 10:58:51 3 4
bbc
The greatest illusion, over the last 12 months comes when one multiplies the government's own figure for the total number of covid-19 infections we have had by its well accepted 0.3% infection fatality rate. The number of expected deaths one gets is about one tenth of what have been reported. Try it for yourself!

Funny, that.
20
11/03/2021 10:59:19 10 1
bbc
Wow! Politicians use smoke and mirrors - who'd have known?
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11/03/2021 14:12:11 5 1
bbc
In Tony Blairs case he actually believed his own lies about the WMD.
Scary
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11/03/2021 11:05:00 2 4
bbc
Over the years I've heard many politicians spout their drivel and insult my intelligence. I eventually came to the conclusion that the only one who told the truth - who did what he said he'd do - was Hitler.
Change my mind.
25
11/03/2021 11:15:56 9 2
bbc
Well, he said he'd win the war...
62
11/03/2021 12:46:07 0 1
bbc
As above :)
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11/03/2021 11:14:23 11 4
bbc
Just look at the voting record of each politician, it will tell you far more than whatever comes out their mouth but most importantly show you evidence if the politician is a liar, If you judged each politician by comparing their voting record with what they say you'll find the diamonds from the coal, I personally don't vote because of a particular party but the individual MP's own record.
42
11/03/2021 12:14:11 8 4
bbc
Look into my eyes.....look into my eyes.........you are feeling sleepy.
Now give me half your pay packet.
17
11/03/2021 11:06:13 3 3
bbc
No illusion about the £37 billion spent on a 99% failed test and trace , the 1% pay rise for nurses nor that Johnson is PM and Brexit did happen. The rest of the illusions are the norm, like pension fund landlords can’t evict a business if they haven’t paid rent. So pension fund gets less and guess what, magic, the public will get less pension. Illusion? Chancellor has done what it takes!
23
11/03/2021 11:14:27 1 3
bbc
How has test and trace failed exactly? Please be specific.
28
11/03/2021 11:22:29 3 1
bbc
Didnt bring R rate down, we had to go into lockdown and shut down the economy. Unlike, for example, South Korea where they didn't have to go into full lock down because their test and trace system worked efectively
2
11/03/2021 10:31:46 36 7
bbc
We all know politicians of all parties lie. We're just simply content to believe whichever set of lies suits our own prejudice and agenda. They know it, we know it. We all know that Track and Trace has wasted between 4 -37 billion pounds. We know it was directed to Harding as a 'payment'. We know it but we're prepared to tolerate it. Then we wonder why they keep doing it...
24
11/03/2021 11:15:08 2 3
bbc
We all know?
67
11/03/2021 12:57:17 3 1
bbc
Ok then, 'a great many of us firmly believe..'
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RPH
11/03/2021 15:23:11 4 1
bbc
Darwin is just over-estimating some people's intelligence: easy mistake to make.
21
11/03/2021 11:05:00 2 4
bbc
Over the years I've heard many politicians spout their drivel and insult my intelligence. I eventually came to the conclusion that the only one who told the truth - who did what he said he'd do - was Hitler.
Change my mind.
25
11/03/2021 11:15:56 9 2
bbc
Well, he said he'd win the war...
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11/03/2021 11:19:05 8 2
bbc
Politicians would claim any misunderstanding is due to the fact that everyday words have different meanings in government use of the English language: 'Maybe' = No. 'Yes' = maybe. 'Unaffordable' = unaffordable, because we want to spend the money elsewhere.
54
11/03/2021 12:27:25 6 3
bbc
And they managed to conjure up a Magic Money Tree out of thin air.
Ali Bongo eat your heart out.
27
11/03/2021 11:22:03 19 6
bbc
You'll like this

Not a lot

But you'll like it

Pass me the blindfold, Debbie

Now, watch as I find my way to Barnard castle
40
11/03/2021 12:13:08 1 2
bbc
Derren Brown for PM.
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11/03/2021 11:14:27 1 3
bbc
How has test and trace failed exactly? Please be specific.
28
11/03/2021 11:22:29 3 1
bbc
Didnt bring R rate down, we had to go into lockdown and shut down the economy. Unlike, for example, South Korea where they didn't have to go into full lock down because their test and trace system worked efectively
46
11/03/2021 12:17:16 0 1
bbc
No but it kept food on your table
29
11/03/2021 11:24:50 32 6
bbc
A bit like filling our news outlets with stuff like Royalty, Brexit and WAG spats to keep corruption, lying and genocide from being uppermost in political items.
For example, Ministers broke the rules over contracts pals, tell lies at PMQs, squander more money than the hospitals cost, yet there is no national debate, no one is punished, no changes are made. 50% of NHS staff will still vote Boris.
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RSO
11/03/2021 12:11:04 5 17
bbc
take the government to court then if you are so certain
53
11/03/2021 12:25:17 6 3
bbc
Taking £100 million of Aid from Yemen while flogging bombs and tanks to their Saudi tormentors. More tragic than magic.
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11/03/2021 14:32:46 2 5
bbc
Nice trick! Lots of dramatic accusations, no evidence for any of them.
30
11/03/2021 11:25:54 11 3
bbc
Tommy Cooper would have made a good PM.
31
11/03/2021 11:37:41 6 4
bbc
Ah I understand now Bunter needs a fez!
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11/03/2021 11:43:00 0 3
bbc
No, we need crooks apparently.
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11/03/2021 12:14:39 4 2
bbc
Just like that.
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11/03/2021 14:14:24 2 2
bbc
Tommy Cooper was actually a good magician
30
11/03/2021 11:25:54 11 3
bbc
Tommy Cooper would have made a good PM.
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11/03/2021 11:37:41 6 4
bbc
Ah I understand now Bunter needs a fez!
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11/03/2021 11:38:57 20 2
bbc
"Magicians' tactics found in politics and marketing"

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I think we have all known this for a long long time. It is hardly news!
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11/03/2021 14:49:34 1 4
bbc
Yeah, we know it..........but it still works! Even on you!

That's why UK spends £24 billion a year on advertising

And if you think you're immune to their fibs then you are the one who is most in danger!
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11/03/2021 11:41:17 9 6
bbc
Yes, the tory governmend cheat at cards too ;)

Their cheating-ability is legendary.
30
11/03/2021 11:25:54 11 3
bbc
Tommy Cooper would have made a good PM.
34
11/03/2021 11:43:00 0 3
bbc
No, we need crooks apparently.
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bbc
The ultimate parasites - 'royals' excepted. Removed
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11/03/2021 11:54:27 7 4
bbc
.... and the non-dom owned (I do wonder why?) EU opposing / Brexit supporting newspapers will assist in the deliberate misdirection, as they have done for years.
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RSO
11/03/2021 12:10:06 17 3
bbc
These type of tactics are used by the media too, including the bbc
What sleight of hand landed Amol Rajan the Today gig? Removed
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11/03/2021 11:24:50 32 6
bbc
A bit like filling our news outlets with stuff like Royalty, Brexit and WAG spats to keep corruption, lying and genocide from being uppermost in political items.
For example, Ministers broke the rules over contracts pals, tell lies at PMQs, squander more money than the hospitals cost, yet there is no national debate, no one is punished, no changes are made. 50% of NHS staff will still vote Boris.
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RSO
11/03/2021 12:11:04 5 17
bbc
take the government to court then if you are so certain
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11/03/2021 13:17:51 5 2
bbc
Already been tried ... it was ruled that manifesto promises aren't legally binding ... therefore any politician can come up with any sort of rubbish to con the voters and isn't obliged to carry it out if elected.

Try that in your job and see how your boss likes it.
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RSO
11/03/2021 12:10:06 17 3
bbc
These type of tactics are used by the media too, including the bbc
What sleight of hand landed Amol Rajan the Today gig? Removed
27
11/03/2021 11:22:03 19 6
bbc
You'll like this

Not a lot

But you'll like it

Pass me the blindfold, Debbie

Now, watch as I find my way to Barnard castle
40
11/03/2021 12:13:08 1 2
bbc
Derren Brown for PM.
41
11/03/2021 12:13:19 2 2
bbc
Wonder who the 'govt' mouthpiece is . . . ??
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11/03/2021 11:14:23 11 4
bbc
Just look at the voting record of each politician, it will tell you far more than whatever comes out their mouth but most importantly show you evidence if the politician is a liar, If you judged each politician by comparing their voting record with what they say you'll find the diamonds from the coal, I personally don't vote because of a particular party but the individual MP's own record.
42
11/03/2021 12:14:11 8 4
bbc
Look into my eyes.....look into my eyes.........you are feeling sleepy.
Now give me half your pay packet.
30
11/03/2021 11:25:54 11 3
bbc
Tommy Cooper would have made a good PM.
43
11/03/2021 12:14:39 4 2
bbc
Just like that.
7
11/03/2021 10:38:13 17 6
bbc
That £350 million a week soon disappeared didn't it!
44
11/03/2021 12:15:37 8 2
bbc
Up Track n Trace creek without a paddle.
164
12/03/2021 22:52:00 0 0
bbc
You are on fire ??
Playing cards must be banned. Spades are racist like some Royals. Removed
28
11/03/2021 11:22:29 3 1
bbc
Didnt bring R rate down, we had to go into lockdown and shut down the economy. Unlike, for example, South Korea where they didn't have to go into full lock down because their test and trace system worked efectively
46
11/03/2021 12:17:16 0 1
bbc
No but it kept food on your table
6
11/03/2021 10:36:53 11 1
bbc
The easiest way of not being manipulated by politicians is to avoid listening to the lying bar stewards in the first place.
47
11/03/2021 12:18:10 5 1
bbc
Maybe we could saw one or two in half, or make them disappear from the Commons benches and reappear in the public gallery.
13
11/03/2021 10:54:34 18 7
bbc
One of the biggest illusions the government uses is in the realm of public sector pay and pay increases. The government only has to pay public service workers' their NET pay. The tax and National Insurance deducted is money the government would have in its possession whether a person is employed by the the government or not. It is like paying yourself for decorating your home.
48
11/03/2021 12:19:36 13 7
bbc
Sunak pulled a rabbit from a hat when he printed £400 billion and gave 10% of it straight to Dido's snout in troughers.
73
11/03/2021 13:11:16 1 4
bbc
Why was this voted down? It's what happened. It's a fact!
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11/03/2021 12:21:07 6 3
bbc
‘OK Ladies and Gentlemen, stare carefully at Harry & Megan and the Royals, think about who is right and wrong.....’

(While we bury the worst death rate in the world caused by our incompetence and the billions of your taxes we’ve stolen from you to give our offshore tax-dodging chums and Tory Party donors)
War Propaganda Psyops Slavery Racism Terrorism straight to the peoples head the KKK will protect the old ways of the nation and it's colonies and will fight against communism integration mongrelism Removed
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11/03/2021 12:22:28 3 7
bbc
Brexit certainly ticks the "illusory sense of control" concept.
Wrong footing the lumpen hoi polloi to keep the fatcats tax havens safe.
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11/03/2021 12:27:58 7 4
bbc
Lies the bbc debunked long ago by fact checking.

The 'tricksters' con men, liars, were Lawyers against Brexit, and you still believe their deception despite the fact checking showing you how it was done!
Pure White is the biggest Con of hue man kind Removed
29
11/03/2021 11:24:50 32 6
bbc
A bit like filling our news outlets with stuff like Royalty, Brexit and WAG spats to keep corruption, lying and genocide from being uppermost in political items.
For example, Ministers broke the rules over contracts pals, tell lies at PMQs, squander more money than the hospitals cost, yet there is no national debate, no one is punished, no changes are made. 50% of NHS staff will still vote Boris.
53
11/03/2021 12:25:17 6 3
bbc
Taking £100 million of Aid from Yemen while flogging bombs and tanks to their Saudi tormentors. More tragic than magic.
26
11/03/2021 11:19:05 8 2
bbc
Politicians would claim any misunderstanding is due to the fact that everyday words have different meanings in government use of the English language: 'Maybe' = No. 'Yes' = maybe. 'Unaffordable' = unaffordable, because we want to spend the money elsewhere.
54
11/03/2021 12:27:25 6 3
bbc
And they managed to conjure up a Magic Money Tree out of thin air.
Ali Bongo eat your heart out.
51
11/03/2021 12:22:28 3 7
bbc
Brexit certainly ticks the "illusory sense of control" concept.
Wrong footing the lumpen hoi polloi to keep the fatcats tax havens safe.
55
11/03/2021 12:27:58 7 4
bbc
Lies the bbc debunked long ago by fact checking.

The 'tricksters' con men, liars, were Lawyers against Brexit, and you still believe their deception despite the fact checking showing you how it was done!
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11/03/2021 14:24:08 0 2
bbc
& who runs the bbc.
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11/03/2021 12:33:02 13 8
bbc
Yes the bbc is great at it! The entire new religion of political correctness and the modern description 'woke'. All lies and deceptions. Leading attention by the nose by news selection and prioritising. Suckering people in with mere emotionality. Ahh poor kitten give it lots of other people’s money. You are bad and nasty and must be stopped from voicing anti our agendas.
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11/03/2021 12:33:49 20 9
bbc
"psychologists looked at how tricks create an "illusion of choice", when the audience has no real control"

That is the entire premise of the recent 'culture wars', no one democratically voted for this 'woke' stuff that is being rammed down everyone's throats by all media outlets including the BBC. This is why democratic politics is in danger !
58
11/03/2021 12:36:25 9 6
bbc
Bang On!
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11/03/2021 12:59:29 2 2
bbc
no one democratically voted against it either... i don't believe 'woke' or 'anti woke' - whatever that even means - featured in any manifesto or campaign?
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11/03/2021 13:13:41 2 6
bbc
What woke (childish term misused by the far right) stuff? It's all in the minds of the paranoid far right!
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11/03/2021 14:34:57 0 1
bbc
I agree the MSM including BBC have been hopeless in questioning the logic of the pseudo-politico scientists et al but now (exactly a year on), which begs the question why are they are publishing this now?
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11/03/2021 12:33:49 20 9
bbc
"psychologists looked at how tricks create an "illusion of choice", when the audience has no real control"

That is the entire premise of the recent 'culture wars', no one democratically voted for this 'woke' stuff that is being rammed down everyone's throats by all media outlets including the BBC. This is why democratic politics is in danger !
58
11/03/2021 12:36:25 9 6
bbc
Bang On!
13
11/03/2021 10:54:34 18 7
bbc
One of the biggest illusions the government uses is in the realm of public sector pay and pay increases. The government only has to pay public service workers' their NET pay. The tax and National Insurance deducted is money the government would have in its possession whether a person is employed by the the government or not. It is like paying yourself for decorating your home.
59
11/03/2021 12:37:07 5 1
bbc
There's another piece of magic you've missed, The Idea that "The Government" pays anyone"! "The government" doesn't have any money, It's Our money, We pay all the civil service, NHS and council workers.
13
11/03/2021 10:54:34 18 7
bbc
One of the biggest illusions the government uses is in the realm of public sector pay and pay increases. The government only has to pay public service workers' their NET pay. The tax and National Insurance deducted is money the government would have in its possession whether a person is employed by the the government or not. It is like paying yourself for decorating your home.
60
11/03/2021 12:39:18 4 7
bbc
So? Net, it comes to the same thing and accounting is much easier to be fair this way round. Tax codes and rates vary it would have to be adjusted in every individual pay rate if net. As some would lose out and be whinging they lost beneficial tax positions!

Public sector pay needs cutting.
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11/03/2021 12:40:27 9 4
bbc
Hardly 'magic', the cultivation of ignorance and division, ultimately our self-extinction. The power of Money has for millennia been asserting itself through the entrapment of citizens at every level in every culture. Atomised by income-inequality and insecurity - even in families and tribes and class-parties the rule of fear and greed - we are made agents of our own and our children's betrayal.
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11/03/2021 11:05:00 2 4
bbc
Over the years I've heard many politicians spout their drivel and insult my intelligence. I eventually came to the conclusion that the only one who told the truth - who did what he said he'd do - was Hitler.
Change my mind.
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11/03/2021 12:46:07 0 1
bbc
As above :)
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11/03/2021 12:46:33 8 4
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Oven-ready conservative effluent as usual.
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11/03/2021 12:47:10 3 4
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We've been mislead for decades by snake oil salesmen who tried to sell nothing for something.
The 50's woman in the kitchen & man smoking in the lounge.
In the 70's the 'perfect' 2.4 children nuclear family.
In the 80's the 'greed is good' ethos.
And today?
Every relationship is mixed. And white children must have red hair.

Evolution of propaganda before your eyes and none of it real.
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11/03/2021 12:52:01 31 4
bbc
The Great Disappearing Magic Money Tree Trick !

It’s there for Cummins’ massive payout
It’s there to squander on fancy wallpaper for the Johnson family palace
It’s there for the BILLIONS given to their greedy mates with no questions asked and records hidden

But, ABRACADABRA !!! It vanishes when the true heroes of the pandemic ask for more!
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11/03/2021 15:00:31 5 20
bbc
True hero's ? ... you mean people paid to do a job but you want them paid more for really having to do their job ?
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11/03/2021 12:56:44 3 4
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The 'spell' is wearing thin of hope in sham-democracy. Tory and Tory-Lite, vilest offer now is shared, of 'Get ahead and Stay ahead'. From the House of Windsor confession comes of 'entrapment by fear', Harry and Meghan escaping for the sake of sanity and Archie, maybe for the saving of us all. Long the UK has traded on democratic promise. Time is running-out for DUE example in our Lost World.
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11/03/2021 11:15:08 2 3
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We all know?
67
11/03/2021 12:57:17 3 1
bbc
Ok then, 'a great many of us firmly believe..'
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11/03/2021 17:37:06 2 2
bbc
Still doesn't mean it is true or that you can prove your belief.
(I can't disprove it either but that isn't the point)

So in effect someone is managing to manipulate you (and many others according to you) into believing something is fact when we know no such thing.

So you are a living example of what this article is about!
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11/03/2021 12:33:49 20 9
bbc
"psychologists looked at how tricks create an "illusion of choice", when the audience has no real control"

That is the entire premise of the recent 'culture wars', no one democratically voted for this 'woke' stuff that is being rammed down everyone's throats by all media outlets including the BBC. This is why democratic politics is in danger !
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11/03/2021 12:59:29 2 2
bbc
no one democratically voted against it either... i don't believe 'woke' or 'anti woke' - whatever that even means - featured in any manifesto or campaign?
No magician or politician, Prince Harry has woken to the price of sham-democracy, ALL being made accessories, witting-or-not, to our entrapment by fear, and so our universal corruption. Census Day will find many, even of British-birth, debating our 'identification': Cornish or Highland, European or Californian, Human or Doomed? Our world needs the conscience of all. If not now, WHEN to speak-up? Removed
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11/03/2021 13:04:38 3 4
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Good over evil? Joe Biden asks John Kerry to save the world. We must wake to the price of sham-democracy, all made accessories witting-or-not to our entrapment by fear and so universal corruption. Census Day will find many (even British-born) debating WHAT 'identification': Cornish or Highland, European or Californian, Human or Doomed? We need the conscience of ALL. If not now, WHEN to speak-up?
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11/03/2021 13:05:36 6 4
bbc
Teachers should teach, NOT to live in fear, NOT to be silenced by fear, NOT to leave 'what we do', so the fate of our One World, to direction by Money, NOT to allow ourselves to be made witting-or-not members of an endlessly self-corrupting quisling-hierarchy, we NEED the self-education of all for existential awareness and shared freedom to be and do our best in a democratic market serving all.
By Harry and Meghan a mirror is held-up to ourselves. From the institution of monarchy - constitutionally supposed 'safely apart from politics' - to the horror of politicians on all sides the revelation as come again of high-and-low our entrapment by insecurity and by fear, our universal institutionalised corruption, dictated 'by Money' through nightmarish income-inequality. Removed
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11/03/2021 12:19:36 13 7
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Sunak pulled a rabbit from a hat when he printed £400 billion and gave 10% of it straight to Dido's snout in troughers.
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11/03/2021 13:11:16 1 4
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Why was this voted down? It's what happened. It's a fact!
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11/03/2021 17:46:29 2 2
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Because it's not factual!

First it isn't 10% of £400m and second it didn't go personally to Dido

If people were less prone to exaggeration then perhaps more people would take their posts more seriously but when it is obviously written with the pure intent of disparaging someone or a particular group then it gets treated with contempt in the same way they are treating the subject of their post
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11/03/2021 12:33:49 20 9
bbc
"psychologists looked at how tricks create an "illusion of choice", when the audience has no real control"

That is the entire premise of the recent 'culture wars', no one democratically voted for this 'woke' stuff that is being rammed down everyone's throats by all media outlets including the BBC. This is why democratic politics is in danger !
74
11/03/2021 13:13:41 2 6
bbc
What woke (childish term misused by the far right) stuff? It's all in the minds of the paranoid far right!
79
11/03/2021 13:21:18 5 4
bbc
Weaponized by the Far Left using Inter-sectional Marxist ideology, policing speech & currently infecting UK & US Media,Academia & now Business too...
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11/03/2021 14:18:50 1 2
bbc
You mean "It's all in the minds of the paranoid of Labour & those to the right".

btw: how has the term been misused? Perhaps you need to check the history of its new meaning. But that might mean using an ultra right wing device called a dictionary or the evil tory internet!!!!!

How your tin foil supplies holding out?
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11/03/2021 13:15:02 2 3
bbc
Finally the depths might be recognised of threat, to not just our own integrity and sanity but to the health and security and fulfilment of innocent partners and innocent children. Choices may become possible - in hope or terror - no longer to downplay the deepest of promptings for creative freedom and social conscience. Smiling pretences of 'wellness' risks fatal misleading. First step 'decency'?
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11/03/2021 13:17:47 2 3
bbc
'Too much truth for people to handle', might be the judgement of our celebrated 'free press' and claimed 'duly impartial' broadcasters, but on whose behalf do our mediators of 'news' decide? Deep awareness being universal of income-inequality and insecurity, how can we doubt our rule by fear and corruption? Senator Joe McCarthy gave the answer, well-exploited in abuse of captive Jewry 2017-19.
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RSO
11/03/2021 12:11:04 5 17
bbc
take the government to court then if you are so certain
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11/03/2021 13:17:51 5 2
bbc
Already been tried ... it was ruled that manifesto promises aren't legally binding ... therefore any politician can come up with any sort of rubbish to con the voters and isn't obliged to carry it out if elected.

Try that in your job and see how your boss likes it.
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11/03/2021 13:20:03 2 3
bbc
NO magic can hide forever, compared to others, we have had 'a bad pandemic', costly in lives and prospects. Despite Cygnus-warning and despite SAGE-advice we lack universal support for isolation, and still we are failing to set in-advance the short sharp circuit-breaks needed for probably two years more, AGAINST new-variant threats, FOR 'life to continue' in planned lockdown-intervals. Why?
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11/03/2021 13:13:41 2 6
bbc
What woke (childish term misused by the far right) stuff? It's all in the minds of the paranoid far right!
79
11/03/2021 13:21:18 5 4
bbc
Weaponized by the Far Left using Inter-sectional Marxist ideology, policing speech & currently infecting UK & US Media,Academia & now Business too...
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11/03/2021 13:36:57 4 3
bbc
Essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what is going on and make up their own mind, rather than listening to politicians' mouthings & empty press... it's almost surprising that a journalist has dared to report this.

Downloaded paper & will study it.
89
11/03/2021 14:15:31 0 2
bbc
Bet you think you you formed your own opinions on politicians and journalists, instead of being directed by a certain very noise element.
92
11/03/2021 14:20:35 1 1
bbc
Or try any book on logical fallacies, slow-fast thinking etc. They all amount to the same thing.
People are just to lazy
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11/03/2021 14:00:27 1 2
bbc
But how does a money tree work if there’s no magic?
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11/03/2021 14:14:54 0 2
bbc
No Money!
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11/03/2021 10:29:10 9 1
bbc
People don't need to understand magic tricks - they just need listen for consistency in politicians answers. Is a particular politicians position consistent over time or do all politicians from a party say exactly the same quote? It's really not that difficult, but it does require actually listening to answers.
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11/03/2021 14:05:46 3 4
bbc
So you want a politician that is unyielding with their dogma despite the new facts being presented.

So what did happen with Corbyn after his principled position was seen as being pig-headed?
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11/03/2021 14:30:51 4 1
bbc
"So you want a politician that is unyielding with their dogma".

You know full well that's not what I mean or am saying. I mean listen whether a politician changes their 'opinion' depending on the audience or whether they all repeat phrases supplied by the Central Office or lobby groups.

We want politicians to be flexible due to changing facts, not convenience.
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11/03/2021 15:50:42 1 1
bbc
Corbyn went back to the irrelevant obscurity from which he had been plucked. Still holding the same outdated world view that he has held for half a century.
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11/03/2021 10:38:13 17 6
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That £350 million a week soon disappeared didn't it!
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11/03/2021 14:07:41 0 2
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In that case you really didnt listen what was being said.
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11/03/2021 10:42:58 15 8
bbc
He sees politicians increasingly drawing on the tactic of "misdirection", where a magician draws the audience's attention in one direction, with something noisy or spectacular, while the real moves are being made out of sight.

Ladies and Gentlemen I give you The Great Johnson
84
11/03/2021 14:09:37 1 5
bbc
Whereas Corbyn tried to fool people with being a nice?? How did that work
Or the Great Pretender Starmer who retro fits his policies
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11/03/2021 10:59:19 10 1
bbc
Wow! Politicians use smoke and mirrors - who'd have known?
85
11/03/2021 14:12:11 5 1
bbc
In Tony Blairs case he actually believed his own lies about the WMD.
Scary
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11/03/2021 11:25:54 11 3
bbc
Tommy Cooper would have made a good PM.
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11/03/2021 14:14:24 2 2
bbc
Tommy Cooper was actually a good magician
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11/03/2021 15:06:25 1 2
bbc
Exactly - you have to be really good at something to be really bad - cf Les Dawson on the piano...
87
11/03/2021 14:14:33 3 1
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Politicians tell lies only for people's votes, so it should not come as a surprise to the majority. Politicians are only interested in what keeps them in office, e.g. looking out for themselves!
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11/03/2021 14:17:44 4 1
bbc
Exactly what Trump says, while running for political office ion order to enrich himself.
81
11/03/2021 14:00:27 1 2
bbc
But how does a money tree work if there’s no magic?
88
11/03/2021 14:14:54 0 2
bbc
No Money!
94
11/03/2021 14:21:53 0 1
bbc
Check the Caymans.
80
11/03/2021 13:36:57 4 3
bbc
Essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what is going on and make up their own mind, rather than listening to politicians' mouthings & empty press... it's almost surprising that a journalist has dared to report this.

Downloaded paper & will study it.
89
11/03/2021 14:15:31 0 2
bbc
Bet you think you you formed your own opinions on politicians and journalists, instead of being directed by a certain very noise element.
87
11/03/2021 14:14:33 3 1
bbc
Politicians tell lies only for people's votes, so it should not come as a surprise to the majority. Politicians are only interested in what keeps them in office, e.g. looking out for themselves!
90
11/03/2021 14:17:44 4 1
bbc
Exactly what Trump says, while running for political office ion order to enrich himself.
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12/03/2021 05:08:18 0 0
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Most people seem to have missed the point that what Trump wanted was to create a New America, with a Royal Family, morphing in time to an Empire, and not in real estate but ROYAL Estate

Ave Imperator Trump

And then who knows, in time, just as with some Roman Emperors, deification

Credo in unum deum, Trump!
74
11/03/2021 13:13:41 2 6
bbc
What woke (childish term misused by the far right) stuff? It's all in the minds of the paranoid far right!
91
11/03/2021 14:18:50 1 2
bbc
You mean "It's all in the minds of the paranoid of Labour & those to the right".

btw: how has the term been misused? Perhaps you need to check the history of its new meaning. But that might mean using an ultra right wing device called a dictionary or the evil tory internet!!!!!

How your tin foil supplies holding out?
80
11/03/2021 13:36:57 4 3
bbc
Essential reading for anyone who wants to understand what is going on and make up their own mind, rather than listening to politicians' mouthings & empty press... it's almost surprising that a journalist has dared to report this.

Downloaded paper & will study it.
92
11/03/2021 14:20:35 1 1
bbc
Or try any book on logical fallacies, slow-fast thinking etc. They all amount to the same thing.
People are just to lazy
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11/03/2021 14:21:17 1 1
bbc
Does Lying take months to learn then ?
88
11/03/2021 14:14:54 0 2
bbc
No Money!
94
11/03/2021 14:21:53 0 1
bbc
Check the Caymans.
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11/03/2021 12:27:58 7 4
bbc
Lies the bbc debunked long ago by fact checking.

The 'tricksters' con men, liars, were Lawyers against Brexit, and you still believe their deception despite the fact checking showing you how it was done!
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11/03/2021 14:24:08 0 2
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& who runs the bbc.
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11/03/2021 14:27:18 0 9
bbc
Well this is interesting, add this other BBC article https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-56357760 out today into the mix and the question is has the worm turned? I want no illness to afflict those that have had a jab but those like me have held back precisely because we know propaganda when we see it and are worried that the vaccines were rushed through.
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11/03/2021 14:43:55 4 1
bbc
Covid has caused 2.3 million people to die
Vaccines have caused ZERO people to die

Or is this all lies and propaganda to you?
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11/03/2021 14:45:39 6 1
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But you're happy to believe propaganda which supports your worries?

The vaccines WERE rushed through, but corners WEREN'T cut. They did precisely what they would have done normally over several years in a much shorter time frame.

Thromboembolism happens in normal populations. It's higher in smokers. That it happens following some event/vaccination doesn't mean the event is the cause.
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11/03/2021 14:50:24 2 1
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Try some basic maths, rough figures easily found on net.
450million population of EU, of which 22 MIGHT have died of vaccine. A 1 in 20million chance.
68million population of UK of which 100 000 have died of Covid-19. A 1 in 680 chance.
20million divided by 680 is 30 000.
You are 30 000 times more likely to die of the virus than the vaccine, even ASSUMING those deaths weren't just coincidental.
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RPH
11/03/2021 15:35:41 1 1
bbc
Polly Parton said it all really....
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11/03/2021 14:29:50 4 1
bbc
Even while admiring the magic tricks, nobody really likes magicians, something to do with knowing you'er being conned.
82
11/03/2021 14:05:46 3 4
bbc
So you want a politician that is unyielding with their dogma despite the new facts being presented.

So what did happen with Corbyn after his principled position was seen as being pig-headed?
98
11/03/2021 14:30:51 4 1
bbc
"So you want a politician that is unyielding with their dogma".

You know full well that's not what I mean or am saying. I mean listen whether a politician changes their 'opinion' depending on the audience or whether they all repeat phrases supplied by the Central Office or lobby groups.

We want politicians to be flexible due to changing facts, not convenience.
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11/03/2021 11:24:50 32 6
bbc
A bit like filling our news outlets with stuff like Royalty, Brexit and WAG spats to keep corruption, lying and genocide from being uppermost in political items.
For example, Ministers broke the rules over contracts pals, tell lies at PMQs, squander more money than the hospitals cost, yet there is no national debate, no one is punished, no changes are made. 50% of NHS staff will still vote Boris.
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11/03/2021 14:32:46 2 5
bbc
Nice trick! Lots of dramatic accusations, no evidence for any of them.
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11/03/2021 19:24:17 2 3
bbc
No evidence? You been following the news?
Asking for evidence seems to be Central Offices latest catch all question for any criticism. Are you saying Matt Hancock did not get found guilty of breaking the law, but all the pundits confined their comments to Meghan that day. Any comeback on Hancock?What about if it had been Starmer in the dock?
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11/03/2021 12:33:49 20 9
bbc
"psychologists looked at how tricks create an "illusion of choice", when the audience has no real control"

That is the entire premise of the recent 'culture wars', no one democratically voted for this 'woke' stuff that is being rammed down everyone's throats by all media outlets including the BBC. This is why democratic politics is in danger !
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11/03/2021 14:34:57 0 1
bbc
I agree the MSM including BBC have been hopeless in questioning the logic of the pseudo-politico scientists et al but now (exactly a year on), which begs the question why are they are publishing this now?