Cancer patients 'lack same protection' after first jab
11/03/2021 | news | health | 39
A 12-week gap could leave those having two Pfizer jabs vulnerable to Covid-19, researchers suggest.
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11/03/2021 16:09:31 8 1
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Shouldn't the precautionary principle come into play? Just go ahead and bring forward our second doses of the vaccine immediately. Waiting for further evidence is completely inappropriate for those of us with blood cancer who had the first dose weeks ago, and the weeks continue to roll past. Will anything be lost by speeding things up, because it seems there's so much to lost by NOT doing so.
It is a disgrace that cancer sufferers are given second rate treatment. You all need the 2nd vaccine within a month.
The fools who want to vaccinate young healthy adults of whom 99.8% will not succumb to this coronavirus, are doing it because Zahawi claimed " you cannot live a normal life without a vaccine. Hence those who desperately need and deserve their 2nd jab at the right time are shafted.
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12/03/2021 07:46:04 0 0
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Even with the full dosage of any vaccine, vulnerable people are still vulnerable to disease, just not as vulnerable. The greater the number vaccinated will add protection.
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11/03/2021 16:18:05 4 1
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Does this include breast cancer patients who have had a mastectomy and are now on anti-oestrogen & calcium tablets, or is it primarily patients that have had chemotherapy? Enough information to be worrying, not enough to know what to do about it.
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11/03/2021 21:52:48 1 0
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Likely to be people on chemotherapy as these are immunosuppressive
When Clowning Street politicians tinker with a vaccine manufacturers protocol, then we are in trouble

Initially the vaccine was for clinically vulnerable, as Kate Bingham, UK Vaccine TaskForce Chair said, "no one under 50 would be getting vaccinated." Then Zahawi, said we couldn't lead a normal life without being vaccinated as a vaccine passport was muted. This is the only reason young are jabbed
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SK
12/03/2021 07:27:13 0 0
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Mooted
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12/03/2021 07:39:24 0 0
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Vaccination will eventually lead to social distancing and mask wearing to be dropped, but that depends on how much transmission is stopped by the jab.
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11/03/2021 16:30:42 3 5
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There is little, if any, risk to young healthy adults from coronavirus, unless they are in an area of high viral load

Under 50's were never going to be vaccinated, until the vaccine passport was muted. This is the only reason why people who need the 2nd jab as the vaccine manufacturer recommended within 4 weeks are not getting it, because suddenly the uk has to vaccinate everyone for a "passport"
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11/03/2021 21:39:54 1 1
bbc
Stop the Vino its giving you double vision, you ned to read sensible information

You are wrong all adults will get offered the vaccine it was always the plan. The second course is given because it improves effectiveness
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11/03/2021 16:09:31 8 1
bbc
Shouldn't the precautionary principle come into play? Just go ahead and bring forward our second doses of the vaccine immediately. Waiting for further evidence is completely inappropriate for those of us with blood cancer who had the first dose weeks ago, and the weeks continue to roll past. Will anything be lost by speeding things up, because it seems there's so much to lost by NOT doing so.
It is a disgrace that cancer sufferers are given second rate treatment. You all need the 2nd vaccine within a month.
The fools who want to vaccinate young healthy adults of whom 99.8% will not succumb to this coronavirus, are doing it because Zahawi claimed " you cannot live a normal life without a vaccine. Hence those who desperately need and deserve their 2nd jab at the right time are shafted.
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11/03/2021 21:51:08 2 0
bbc
The JCVI made this call as they believed it would offer greater options to treat more people quickly. However you do trials to get safety data. To rip that up is in my opinion poor judgement.

The government advice is that the interval for immunosuppressessed people should be 3/4 weeks Green Book Chaper 14a page 24-25 of the pdf.
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11/03/2021 18:03:45 1 1
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So if we can check peoples immune response, do have we the start of an early warning test for cancer? Is anyone looking into researching this?
No point, the cancer industry finances rely on chemotherapy and radiation. Early warnings would deplete their gross profits.
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11/03/2021 18:03:45 1 1
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So if we can check peoples immune response, do have we the start of an early warning test for cancer? Is anyone looking into researching this?
No point, the cancer industry finances rely on chemotherapy and radiation. Early warnings would deplete their gross profits.
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12/03/2021 07:58:21 0 0
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Twaddle.
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11/03/2021 19:36:58 1 1
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Ok, so my Mum has lung & bowel cancer but finished her chemo & radiotherapy a few years ago. Does this apply to her, or people who are currently undergoing treatment?
Truly glad to hear Mum got through treatment. Depends on how strong her immune system is. If she hasn't taken supporting drugs post chemo, like daily steroid treatment, she should be fine.
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12/03/2021 07:29:44 0 0
bbc
Roughly speaking, the older you are/ the more conditions you have the less your immune system works despite full vaccination. That's why it's important to take precautions around vulnerable people. Once we get a vaccine with minimal transmission, and the majority take the vaccine, this can then change.
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11/03/2021 19:39:51 0 1
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Who is going to answer our questions, or is this just a forum to exchange views?
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11/03/2021 19:36:58 1 1
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Ok, so my Mum has lung & bowel cancer but finished her chemo & radiotherapy a few years ago. Does this apply to her, or people who are currently undergoing treatment?
Truly glad to hear Mum got through treatment. Depends on how strong her immune system is. If she hasn't taken supporting drugs post chemo, like daily steroid treatment, she should be fine.
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11/03/2021 16:30:42 3 5
bbc
There is little, if any, risk to young healthy adults from coronavirus, unless they are in an area of high viral load

Under 50's were never going to be vaccinated, until the vaccine passport was muted. This is the only reason why people who need the 2nd jab as the vaccine manufacturer recommended within 4 weeks are not getting it, because suddenly the uk has to vaccinate everyone for a "passport"
11
11/03/2021 21:39:54 1 1
bbc
Stop the Vino its giving you double vision, you ned to read sensible information

You are wrong all adults will get offered the vaccine it was always the plan. The second course is given because it improves effectiveness
You don't know what you are talking about. The UK vaccine chair Kate Bingham totally contradicts what you just said.

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-half-population-vaccinated-covid-19-677292
It is a disgrace that cancer sufferers are given second rate treatment. You all need the 2nd vaccine within a month.
The fools who want to vaccinate young healthy adults of whom 99.8% will not succumb to this coronavirus, are doing it because Zahawi claimed " you cannot live a normal life without a vaccine. Hence those who desperately need and deserve their 2nd jab at the right time are shafted.
12
11/03/2021 21:51:08 2 0
bbc
The JCVI made this call as they believed it would offer greater options to treat more people quickly. However you do trials to get safety data. To rip that up is in my opinion poor judgement.

The government advice is that the interval for immunosuppressessed people should be 3/4 weeks Green Book Chaper 14a page 24-25 of the pdf.
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11/03/2021 21:48:31 0 0
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Are the patients in the study already in relapse or have active/progressive disease?
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11/03/2021 16:18:05 4 1
bbc
Does this include breast cancer patients who have had a mastectomy and are now on anti-oestrogen & calcium tablets, or is it primarily patients that have had chemotherapy? Enough information to be worrying, not enough to know what to do about it.
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11/03/2021 21:52:48 1 0
bbc
Likely to be people on chemotherapy as these are immunosuppressive
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11/03/2021 22:02:17 1 0
bbc
Remember antibodies are not everything in terms of protection from COVID-19 and T cells are important in getting rid of the virus. In other studies looking at natural infections there was protection in people who had not made an antibody response but had T cells.
Well at least you have got that part right. Vino help, did it?
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11/03/2021 21:39:54 1 1
bbc
Stop the Vino its giving you double vision, you ned to read sensible information

You are wrong all adults will get offered the vaccine it was always the plan. The second course is given because it improves effectiveness
You don't know what you are talking about. The UK vaccine chair Kate Bingham totally contradicts what you just said.

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-uk-half-population-vaccinated-covid-19-677292
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11/03/2021 22:02:17 1 0
bbc
Remember antibodies are not everything in terms of protection from COVID-19 and T cells are important in getting rid of the virus. In other studies looking at natural infections there was protection in people who had not made an antibody response but had T cells.
Well at least you have got that part right. Vino help, did it?
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11/03/2021 22:02:17 1 0
bbc
Remember antibodies are not everything in terms of protection from COVID-19 and T cells are important in getting rid of the virus. In other studies looking at natural infections there was protection in people who had not made an antibody response but had T cells.
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12/03/2021 07:20:41 1 0
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Not surprising, we know many with long term health problems, not just cancer, have poor immune response despite vaccines. I hope they are reviewing other health conditions too.
When Clowning Street politicians tinker with a vaccine manufacturers protocol, then we are in trouble

Initially the vaccine was for clinically vulnerable, as Kate Bingham, UK Vaccine TaskForce Chair said, "no one under 50 would be getting vaccinated." Then Zahawi, said we couldn't lead a normal life without being vaccinated as a vaccine passport was muted. This is the only reason young are jabbed
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SK
12/03/2021 07:27:13 0 0
bbc
Mooted
8
11/03/2021 19:36:58 1 1
bbc
Ok, so my Mum has lung & bowel cancer but finished her chemo & radiotherapy a few years ago. Does this apply to her, or people who are currently undergoing treatment?
22
12/03/2021 07:29:44 0 0
bbc
Roughly speaking, the older you are/ the more conditions you have the less your immune system works despite full vaccination. That's why it's important to take precautions around vulnerable people. Once we get a vaccine with minimal transmission, and the majority take the vaccine, this can then change.
When Clowning Street politicians tinker with a vaccine manufacturers protocol, then we are in trouble

Initially the vaccine was for clinically vulnerable, as Kate Bingham, UK Vaccine TaskForce Chair said, "no one under 50 would be getting vaccinated." Then Zahawi, said we couldn't lead a normal life without being vaccinated as a vaccine passport was muted. This is the only reason young are jabbed
23
12/03/2021 07:39:24 0 0
bbc
Vaccination will eventually lead to social distancing and mask wearing to be dropped, but that depends on how much transmission is stopped by the jab.
1
11/03/2021 16:09:31 8 1
bbc
Shouldn't the precautionary principle come into play? Just go ahead and bring forward our second doses of the vaccine immediately. Waiting for further evidence is completely inappropriate for those of us with blood cancer who had the first dose weeks ago, and the weeks continue to roll past. Will anything be lost by speeding things up, because it seems there's so much to lost by NOT doing so.
24
12/03/2021 07:46:04 0 0
bbc
Even with the full dosage of any vaccine, vulnerable people are still vulnerable to disease, just not as vulnerable. The greater the number vaccinated will add protection.
25
12/03/2021 07:52:19 1 0
bbc
Blood cancers are a disease of the immune system as I understand things, having NHL myself. The response to a vaccination will depend on how damaged an individuals immune system is.
I am disappointed but unsurprised at the recent reports, the solution seems to be to reduce the interval between the primary and booster vaccine doses if the science indicates an advantage.
Over to you Boris.
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12/03/2021 11:31:42 1 0
bbc
I also am a blood cancer victim, I have CLL. I had my first dose of Astra Zenica five weeks ago and with an already depleted immune system and little hope from the vaccine I can see a long period of isolation for blood cancer patients.
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12/03/2021 18:13:46 0 0
bbc
My girlfriend is undergoing treatment for MDS/CMML/AML after her transplant failed. Even right after her transplant, 95% engraftment, they didn't give the basic course of immunizations. Seems that oncologists and hematologists know more... And they won't allow her to get ANY immunizations because she doesn't have an immune system.
No point, the cancer industry finances rely on chemotherapy and radiation. Early warnings would deplete their gross profits.
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12/03/2021 07:58:21 0 0
bbc
Twaddle.
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12/03/2021 08:51:00 0 1
bbc
Is that your second name?
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12/03/2021 07:58:21 0 0
bbc
Twaddle.
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12/03/2021 08:51:00 0 1
bbc
Is that your second name?
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12/03/2021 09:16:22 0 0
bbc
My GP advised me that it was important for those about to start chemotherapy. I guess the rest of us who are vulnerable will have to watch and wait.
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12/03/2021 10:01:29 0 1
bbc
Well, considering its a very small study and is not published or peer reviewed, perhaps Media outlets should wait until it has been before reporting on it. Because regardless of saying it hasn't been, many will believe every word of it. As can be seen from many comments on here. At least Cancer UK seem to be treating it with the caution it deserves.
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12/03/2021 10:18:14 2 0
bbc
I think what's missing is that a politician has tinkered with the vaccine manufacturers protocol of dosing, which is how the trials were carried out. There is no trial which shows that delaying the second dose for 3 months is efficacious.
Of course cancer victims should not be the recipients of clowning politicians changing trial procedures.

Give vulnerable people a 2nd jab within a month.
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12/03/2021 10:49:22 1 0
bbc
But it is a study, which is more than the government carried out before deciding to ignore Pfizer’s instructions to give the second jab after a 3 week gap. The government gambled on changing the way they gave this vaccine, and in doing so they may have put the lives of the most vulnerable people at continued risk of dying from Covid.
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12/03/2021 18:07:04 0 0
bbc
Show me a person with a compromised immune system producing antibodies like a normal person and I'll show you someone who it A. A genetic mutation or B. Someone who was lying.
29
12/03/2021 10:01:29 0 1
bbc
Well, considering its a very small study and is not published or peer reviewed, perhaps Media outlets should wait until it has been before reporting on it. Because regardless of saying it hasn't been, many will believe every word of it. As can be seen from many comments on here. At least Cancer UK seem to be treating it with the caution it deserves.
30
12/03/2021 10:18:14 2 0
bbc
I think what's missing is that a politician has tinkered with the vaccine manufacturers protocol of dosing, which is how the trials were carried out. There is no trial which shows that delaying the second dose for 3 months is efficacious.
Of course cancer victims should not be the recipients of clowning politicians changing trial procedures.

Give vulnerable people a 2nd jab within a month.
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RM
12/03/2021 10:43:36 2 0
bbc
Cancer patients 'lack same protection' after first jab
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Well, that is to be expected if the immune system is compromised.
Maybe immunodeficient patients due to cancer treatment or otherwise could be given an exception by their GP and have their next jab after 4 weeks as recommended by the manufacturer. Who would dare to oppose this?
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RFM
12/03/2021 10:52:30 3 0
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These findings are obviously concerning and should prompt an urgent evaluation of the detail, with decisions taken on action based on the precautionary principle. The type of cancer and the treatment given will both affect the risk of a poor immune response, particularly if immunosuppressive drugs are used. It should be possible for the NHS to target those at greatest risk for swifter vaccination.
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12/03/2021 10:43:52 0 0
bbc
My wife has a solid cancer and I was always concerned about the Pfizer vaccine being given in a manner that hadn’t been verified as successful, especially as the first recipients of the vaccine are all in the highest vulnerability groups. On the figures given, my wife won’t even have 50% immunity after the second jab.
29
12/03/2021 10:01:29 0 1
bbc
Well, considering its a very small study and is not published or peer reviewed, perhaps Media outlets should wait until it has been before reporting on it. Because regardless of saying it hasn't been, many will believe every word of it. As can be seen from many comments on here. At least Cancer UK seem to be treating it with the caution it deserves.
34
12/03/2021 10:49:22 1 0
bbc
But it is a study, which is more than the government carried out before deciding to ignore Pfizer’s instructions to give the second jab after a 3 week gap. The government gambled on changing the way they gave this vaccine, and in doing so they may have put the lives of the most vulnerable people at continued risk of dying from Covid.
25
12/03/2021 07:52:19 1 0
bbc
Blood cancers are a disease of the immune system as I understand things, having NHL myself. The response to a vaccination will depend on how damaged an individuals immune system is.
I am disappointed but unsurprised at the recent reports, the solution seems to be to reduce the interval between the primary and booster vaccine doses if the science indicates an advantage.
Over to you Boris.
35
12/03/2021 11:31:42 1 0
bbc
I also am a blood cancer victim, I have CLL. I had my first dose of Astra Zenica five weeks ago and with an already depleted immune system and little hope from the vaccine I can see a long period of isolation for blood cancer patients.
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12/03/2021 17:41:03 0 0
bbc
We'll just forget that someone on chemo has a compromised immune system from the start and that each round of chemo does more damage to the immune system. Never mind those who are dealing with blood cancers. Let's add in that without an immune system, your body won't produce the antibodies anyway. Does this "doctor" even know HOW the immune system works?
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12/03/2021 18:02:03 0 0
bbc
I've dealt with friends who had cancers. And my girlfriend is currently being treated for MDS/CMML/AML after a failed transplant. If immune systems "worked" like this "doctor" thinks, they would have already given my girlfriend the BASIC course of immunizations given to everyone, and they haven't. Why not? Because oncology and hematologists know more than this moron.
29
12/03/2021 10:01:29 0 1
bbc
Well, considering its a very small study and is not published or peer reviewed, perhaps Media outlets should wait until it has been before reporting on it. Because regardless of saying it hasn't been, many will believe every word of it. As can be seen from many comments on here. At least Cancer UK seem to be treating it with the caution it deserves.
37
12/03/2021 18:07:04 0 0
bbc
Show me a person with a compromised immune system producing antibodies like a normal person and I'll show you someone who it A. A genetic mutation or B. Someone who was lying.
36
12/03/2021 17:41:03 0 0
bbc
We'll just forget that someone on chemo has a compromised immune system from the start and that each round of chemo does more damage to the immune system. Never mind those who are dealing with blood cancers. Let's add in that without an immune system, your body won't produce the antibodies anyway. Does this "doctor" even know HOW the immune system works?
38
12/03/2021 18:02:03 0 0
bbc
I've dealt with friends who had cancers. And my girlfriend is currently being treated for MDS/CMML/AML after a failed transplant. If immune systems "worked" like this "doctor" thinks, they would have already given my girlfriend the BASIC course of immunizations given to everyone, and they haven't. Why not? Because oncology and hematologists know more than this moron.
25
12/03/2021 07:52:19 1 0
bbc
Blood cancers are a disease of the immune system as I understand things, having NHL myself. The response to a vaccination will depend on how damaged an individuals immune system is.
I am disappointed but unsurprised at the recent reports, the solution seems to be to reduce the interval between the primary and booster vaccine doses if the science indicates an advantage.
Over to you Boris.
39
12/03/2021 18:13:46 0 0
bbc
My girlfriend is undergoing treatment for MDS/CMML/AML after her transplant failed. Even right after her transplant, 95% engraftment, they didn't give the basic course of immunizations. Seems that oncologists and hematologists know more... And they won't allow her to get ANY immunizations because she doesn't have an immune system.