Covid-19: NHS Test and Trace 'no clear impact' despite £37bn budget
10/03/2021 | news | health | 1,623
It was set up to help prevent lockdowns but there have been two more since its launch, MPs say.
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10/03/2021 10:42:05 272 34
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Grant Shapps stated on the BBC today that the £37 billion was used to contact 9.1 million people. That is £4,065 per customer. To put that in perspective that is 10 week’s wages for many people for each single person contacted. This insane government and the dead sheep opposition are a disgrace. Britain deserves better to get better, I’m dangerously sick of them. You do the maths.
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10/03/2021 10:48:38 47 233
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More lefty fibs. The budget was £37 billion, but only about £4 billion of that was spent.
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 55 12
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It's unbelievable that there are people, in government as well as outside, who are willing to steal, cheat and con taxpayers out of their hard earned money.

Heads must roll!
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Bob
10/03/2021 10:54:45 35 34
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£37bn is the budget for multiple years.

Prior to the budget announcement last week where an extra £15bn was added we stood at £22bn & the latest NAO report showed only £4bn had actually been spent.

Also, it encompasses every aspect of testing, and tracing. So simply dividing £37bn by contacts traced is fake news. Now divide it by tests taken. Testing sites set up. Staff employed, so on & so on.
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10/03/2021 11:04:14 33 9
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What about the massive cost of actually doing the tests, it’s not just a tracing system.
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10/03/2021 11:04:47 13 6
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You forgot the test part
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Rob
10/03/2021 11:10:33 3 10
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The cost of correcting people who flout rules. Government never spread Covid. It's people not following pecaustions.
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10/03/2021 11:12:31 18 8
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Unfortunately, the likes of the Daily Mail told the Brits to vote Tory without telling them what Corbyn’s plans were and character assassinating him with lies and mis truths. They fell for it. Sorry folks but it’s ALL YOUR FAULTS.
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10/03/2021 11:12:57 20 6
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Hostamosta is sort of right in his own way ie half the story.

£4 Billion spent so far, but the issue is whether the 'Trace' element was effective and value for money & the use of 'Consultants' at horrific daily rates is justified.

The answer to that has to be a resounding no.

The Govt has been, to put it mildly very opaque in releasing details of public spending on these contracts.
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10/03/2021 11:43:38 6 4
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But can't afford a payrise for nurses... or something.
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10/03/2021 12:18:19 3 3
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Seems like many are doing the maths and correcting yours (£37B is not what has been spent).
When you post your correction, let us know what price is worth paying for each life potentially saved?
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10/03/2021 12:24:00 1 2
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Your clearly mixing up the difference between tracing & testing...
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10/03/2021 12:30:45 2 2
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come on, use your brain. it's not that simple is it. If the 37billion was spent on people contacting people then fair enough. You're forgetting everything that's now in place to perform a million tests a day.
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10/03/2021 12:39:48 1 2
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Your statistical ability is truly amazing.
Seeing as the £37bn hasn't all been spent, has paid for more than 98 million tests & is intended to pay for another year's worth of Test & Trace....
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10/03/2021 10:42:55 154 29
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The stupid amounts of money that ended up being spent wouldn't have been needed had the Govt imposed a lockdown in mid-March rather than attempted herd immunity before dawdling for two weeks. The sheer panic that ensued following this mistake has meant that billions have been wasted. Second, why was our system so unprepared for this? It's really shocking for a country of our affluence and science.
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10/03/2021 10:50:12 5 35
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If we'd have continued pursuing herd immunity instead of the government caving in to twitter and imposing a damaging (and pretty much useless) politically motivated lockdown then it would have all been over by last summer.

Sure there would have been a few more deaths then (less this winter though) but we'd have saved BILLIONS of wasted tax payers money and would be back to normal now.
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10/03/2021 10:52:34 13 9
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We were told Germany had the best test, track and trace in Europe, it hasn't helped there and they currently have more weekly deaths from Covid than we do.
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10/03/2021 11:14:15 3 10
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What country was prepared for it?
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BBB
10/03/2021 11:37:05 9 3
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Unprepared because the report of 2011 and later were not fully implimented
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10/03/2021 11:43:15 0 5
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This post is full of rubbish, make-believe and opinion pieces
10/03/2021 12:52:30 1 5
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We were no more or less unprepared than our neighbours and managed to avoid our health service being overwhelmed unlike our friends in Italy, Spain and elsewhere. True it was often under pressure but we coped.
Dido Harding has a great future career path thanks to test and trace: she can advise African and South American despots on how to better milk their subjects Removed
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10/03/2021 10:47:45 36 13
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Harding is useless, I think we all agree on that. But test and trace was never going to work, it failed in all European countries.
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10/03/2021 11:26:48 4 1
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And she was stupendously good when in charge of TalkTalk too. Her talents know no bounds..........??????
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10/03/2021 10:43:09 7 12
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Money well spent... ?????
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10/03/2021 11:15:20 5 1
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Is that you Dido?
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10/03/2021 10:43:38 80 14
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Total waste of taxpayers money. I only know of 2 people who downloaded the app and they soon deleted it!
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10/03/2021 11:27:26 18 45
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"I only know of 2 people who downloaded the app"
Says it all, really. Add a lack of compliance when people were contacted and that sounds as much of a failure on the part of the general population as a failure of Government to me.
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10/03/2021 11:45:04 3 3
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educate yourself. Track and Trace is NOT the app
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10/03/2021 12:13:52 1 9
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The government can’t legislate for idiots not taking responsibility
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10/03/2021 10:44:29 203 39
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So £37bn wasted on test and trace, 11% pay rise for vulture politicians, tory apologists stating nurses don't deserve more than 1%. We need a general election to get these wastrels out of power.
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10/03/2021 10:46:36 69 100
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But they'd win? In your southern, middle-class, studenty bubble you might all hate the tories but opinion polls suggest public opinion is otherwise...
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10/03/2021 10:49:23 14 44
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Lefty fibs, as usual. £37 million was the budgeted amount. Only about £4 billion was actually spent.
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10/03/2021 10:52:34 19 5
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If only a general election would solve it. Unfortunately there's just another bunch of humans waiting in the wings to demonstrate a similar level of incompetence.

The democracy and government we have is probably the best of all possible evils, just have to get used to it and hold people to account as much as possible.
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10/03/2021 10:54:38 29 5
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Out of power and into jail.
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Bob
10/03/2021 11:03:38 10 33
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"Nurses at the bottom of band 5 in 2017/18 have seen a 22% cash terms pay rise by 2020/21, which would be around 15%-16% in real terms."

Not everything the unions say is true.
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10/03/2021 11:04:02 3 18
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Only to get bigger wastrels into power.
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10/03/2021 11:20:14 9 33
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Get real! The Conservatives have a decent lead in the polls. I doubt you will ever see another left of centre government in the UK. They don't work and people are sick of leftie politics.
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10/03/2021 11:42:42 1 5
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so we shouldn't have spent money on the testing infrastructure that does around a million tests a day now? No testing at all? Good luck population
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10/03/2021 12:05:48 3 3
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Agreed - the problem is there's no real alternative these days and none on the horizon. Starmer's heart is in the right place but can he control the hard left?

Bliar still takes a lot stick and it's unfashionable to point it out but he is the nearest we've had to a centerist politician in many years. I'm no Labour supporter (was he?) but I know we'd be better off with his ilk in charge.
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10/03/2021 12:27:42 2 1
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don't forget the £20,000 expenses to turn their spare room into an office so they could work from home
10/03/2021 16:38:42 0 0
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What makes you think the other side will be any better. They are all the same.
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10/03/2021 10:45:01 94 13
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We were talking Test and Trace at work last week, not one of the 14 people in that conversation had received any contact from the system, nor did they know anyone who has. It's almost as if it's not really working as it should......hmmm...
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10/03/2021 10:55:23 48 6
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There were 5 cases to members of staff in my restaurant, all in the space of 1 week. No-one at test and trace forced the restaurant to shut down though.
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10/03/2021 10:45:02 273 18
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It has had a huge impact...on the pockets of the taxpayer
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10/03/2021 10:53:51 73 157
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So has everything about this pandemic. Shocking mismanagement by a government that does policy by opinion poll and caves in to every negative tweet.

Lockdown - unnecessary and damaging.

Border restrictions - unnecessary and damaging.

Just pandering to the loudest tweet every time!!
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10/03/2021 11:41:49 4 9
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nearly a million tests a day wouldn't be carried out if it wasn't for the T&T budget. Read into it, the vast majority has gone on testing labs, infrastructure, tests etc. Would you really prefer we didn't do any tests and save the money instead?
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10/03/2021 11:52:26 3 2
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And a small number of 'suppliers'.
10/03/2021 15:14:52 3 0
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Well its money that the BoE has magicked into existence and transferred via banks into businesses with Tory links.

It's hard to believe that anyone apart from the paid Tory Bots would defend the Tories on this waste and dodgy dealing.

It's Serco Test & Trace not NHS, the NHS do things right, as the vaccine programme shows.
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10/03/2021 10:45:08 270 11
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This is our money being spent so it’s right those spending it are scrutinised accordingly.

In recent years tribalism has caused blind acceptance of those we like, even though no-one is perfect, while our media now look for spectacle over substance (for profit), which together have led to more incompetence in our politics.

These issues need fixing to make society better in the long run.
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10/03/2021 10:55:32 119 76
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A fool's errand from day one.
To be expected, when we are led by a Ship of Fools with Captain Pugwash at the helm.
I include the Opposition, the Nationalists and our Covid high priests from SAGE (who's narrow field of view has been given too much credence) amongst the crew, by the way.
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10/03/2021 11:15:19 27 3
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The ‘establishment’, rich and famous have learnt how to condition the public to be happy to support them.
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10/03/2021 11:19:14 32 3
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The problem is the Government has not released all the details of contracts & spending within 30 days as it was supposed to have done. Its way overdue.

That alone rings alarm bells.

No wonder PAC are jumping up an down on this.
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xlr
10/03/2021 11:58:18 15 2
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"Party of aspiration" sending out a clear message that no matter how hard you aspire or how much you sacrifice, you'll never get as much money as their friends and cronies will, even when they're clearly not good at it.

Now here's your 1% payrise, plebs. If it is completely swallowed by the rise in personal alliance, dunno, get a new job or something
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JR
10/03/2021 12:32:56 6 1
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Is it her husband doing the scrutinising though
10/03/2021 12:46:40 0 1
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Who are the 9 who have flagged this down?
10/03/2021 13:28:18 1 0
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Way too late now. When THE BBC describes Sochul Media 'Influencers' as 'The thinkers' of their generation then we really are in the brown stuff. Society is beyond rescue if the statement is true. "We, like sheep, have gone astray" & there's no way back following self & product promoting 'thinkers'.
10/03/2021 13:55:13 6 0
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Tribalism? It's cronyism of biblical proportions under this lot.
10/03/2021 15:12:44 2 1
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It's hard to believe that anyone apart from the paid Tory Bots would defend the Tories on this waste and dodgy dealing.

It's Serco Test & Trace not NHS, the NHS do things right, as the vaccine programme shows.
11/03/2021 11:28:53 0 0
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I disagree that the media are the issue here. They have been key in exposing this nonsense. The only tribalism which has affected judgement is/was Brexit where you had the tories appointing people on the basis of their leaver soundness and the leaver drones willing to accept anything (proroguing parliament, abandoning NI) to get their preferred outcome.
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10/03/2021 10:45:33 2 26
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I'd take more notice of what the Labour chaired Public Accounts Committee had to say if just once it said something positive about what the government does but it doesn't so I don't.

Nice click bait though.
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10/03/2021 10:48:04 14 1
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It will still have more Tories on the committee, so your premise is a fallacy
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10/03/2021 11:12:35 0 1
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Something positive about what the government does.........................your so funny
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10/03/2021 10:45:33 7 7
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Test and trace and the great British public not adhering to the rules what could go wrong
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10/03/2021 10:55:58 2 5
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Pretty much all of Europe set up test and trace schemes that failed.
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10/03/2021 10:45:39 78 7
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Absolutely disgusting, yes use consultants to consult but this is full time for 2500, who should mostly be PAYE by now! IT people taking taxpayers for a ride!
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10/03/2021 10:55:31 54 7
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The public sector is always milked by people such as these 'consultants', because the people making the decisions are spending tax payers money, not their own.
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10/03/2021 11:10:24 3 4
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It's not the IT people's fault. If you advertise a job as a "project only" contract and you suddenly need very skilled people to drop everything and do crazy hours for you for short term then you would expect to be compensated. Admittedly £6k is mental, however hiring a small army on contracts yet penalizing others (IR35) for doing the same isn't the answer. It's the hiring companies at fault.
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Roy
10/03/2021 10:46:01 2 18
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Wait for the usual hindsight experts' comments on another government slapping bbc report.
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10/03/2021 11:02:31 4 3
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How much longer will you allow government failure to hide behind "hindsight "?

125,000+ Britons are dead under their watch.
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10/03/2021 11:11:35 2 1
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Is that the same BBC that is run by the Tory's?
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10/03/2021 10:46:34 216 21
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I don't know why anyone would be upset. Harding is a friend of the ERG, and looking after them is the priority of this govt - find any one thing they've done that doesn't benefit the ERG.

Why would we expect our money to be invested in helping us when Harding et al still enjoy tax loopholes?
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10/03/2021 11:55:02 27 69
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What has that got to do with anything? Read the article. Admittedly, as it's the BBC, the most important part of the whole article is only half a sentence long.

Vast majority of the money spent is on the actual testing network. The one that didn't exist 12 months ago and is now better than any in Europe.

UK has conducted more Covid tests that France & Germany combined. Fact.
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10/03/2021 12:40:57 4 17
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Typical fact free, far left politically motivated nonsense.
10/03/2021 15:15:58 6 2
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It's hard to believe that anyone apart from the paid Tory Bots would defend the Tories on this waste and dodgy dealing.

It's Serco Test & Trace not NHS, the NHS do things right, as the vaccine programme shows.
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10/03/2021 10:44:29 203 39
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So £37bn wasted on test and trace, 11% pay rise for vulture politicians, tory apologists stating nurses don't deserve more than 1%. We need a general election to get these wastrels out of power.
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10/03/2021 10:46:36 69 100
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But they'd win? In your southern, middle-class, studenty bubble you might all hate the tories but opinion polls suggest public opinion is otherwise...
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10/03/2021 10:58:24 39 13
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Why are you assuming that the original poster is a middle class, Southern, student?

Many people from many different parts of society are fed up with this government!!

We've had more lockdown than pretty much any other country. And we have more deaths per million than pretty much any other country.

Worst of both worlds.

Why? Cos the timing of the lockdowns has been atrocious. Always too late!!
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10/03/2021 11:23:54 17 4
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Nothing further from the truth. I come from the North West, working class upbringing now have my own business. Just look at my handle, no preference for any political viewpoint. Total fail fella.
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10/03/2021 12:13:47 4 2
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Look it up how YouGov polls work, they are highly manipulated to get the result required
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10/03/2021 12:19:01 4 2
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Yes so sorry to say,the british public are so thixk,they believe papers,yes newspapers, instead of investigation of policies.They believe people because they are on the TV,it's frightening.
Don't they realize these people have their own agenda
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10/03/2021 12:33:23 5 1
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that "southern, middle-class, studenty bubble" as you call it is where the wealth of this nation is currently generated. Sooner or later we'll have had enough of being used as cash cows.
10/03/2021 12:54:00 1 1
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So sad we have to pay for you though.
10/03/2021 13:02:08 2 1
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You are correct. We can never overestimate the stupidity of the British electorate.
10/03/2021 14:17:49 2 0
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Not really. The Tories get an 80 seat majority on 43% of the vote.
10/03/2021 15:31:24 1 0
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? Liar. Ah, tory.
10/03/2021 23:27:56 0 0
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And in your northern, leisure-class, pensioner bubble, you've forgotten who "unlevelled" you in the first place
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xlr
10/03/2021 10:46:38 364 20
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Clear impact on Dido Harding's bank account though.
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10/03/2021 11:34:19 279 21
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The £37 billion could have been used to halve business rates for a year and give all NHS staff a £5,000 bonus. And still have £10 billion spare to expand bed capacity.
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10/03/2021 12:25:27 5 2
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The woman who made a total mess of Talk Talk while she was in charge...
10/03/2021 15:11:51 5 0
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It's hard to believe that anyone apart from the paid Tory Bots would defend the Tories on this waste and dodgy dealing.

It's Serco Test & Trace not NHS, the NHS do things right, as the vaccine programme shows.
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jon
10/03/2021 10:46:39 6 12
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Another report using the same methods as captain hindsight yet infections, hospitalisations and deaths are all down. Cases are still increasing in France and Italy and around the world. Maybe those told to self-isolate should have been given a payment for lost earnings equivalent to furlough. People were giving false information, switching off apps and Bluetooth, or simply ignoring instructions.
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10/03/2021 10:50:41 8 4
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The UK has the highest Covid-19 death rate in Europe.

Says it all....
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10/03/2021 10:51:50 6 2
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Sad deflection

Private companies loyalt to Tory HQ got contracts without a tender process, and either underdelivered or failed to deliver at all.

And these companies have a string of failures in the past. So it's not about hindsight, it's about corruption and cronyism
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10/03/2021 11:10:44 0 1
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another but but blither speak
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10/03/2021 10:47:10 2 19
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Useless NHS, over 140000 covid-related deaths in hands of NHS that has shown worse even than developing countries like India if not Nigeria or Bangladesh
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CJR
10/03/2021 10:54:15 3 4
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My friend Uk ranks 18th in the world for health care, China 144th I feel so very sorry sorry for all those poor Chinese people with a health care system that’s so poor.
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10/03/2021 11:44:31 0 1
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Click bait
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10/03/2021 10:47:20 26 5
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An outrageous waste of public money.
And they say there isn't enough money to give NHS workers more than 1% payrise, or commit more than a few hundred million towards Green recovery investment schemes.

Oh well, at least we're not wasting a similar amount of billions on a useless railway project that's already obsolete. Oh wait....
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10/03/2021 10:47:26 9 3
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Good idea.

Terrible execution. I think it's easy to know why...
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10/03/2021 11:08:29 0 2
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Track and Trace was never going to work in this country. It goes against the grain of the British psyche and culture to be physically tracked and tracable by authorities with the power to incarcerate you almost arbitrarily.

It's a slippery slope to go down for a free society. Only something truly serious would achieve mass acceptance to sacrifice such freedoms.
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 123 10
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UKGOV prepared to sink 37 billion into a non-effective system yet not prepared to honour a pre-agreed NHS worker pay-rise which WOULD be an effective use of money - nice one Boris!!!
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10/03/2021 11:44:26 6 33
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so we shouldn't be spending to support a testing infrastructure ?
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 7 5
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Spending £1.14 million per life saved was always going to be questionable in the medium-long term

We simply can’t afford it and anyone who says otherwise should be happy to empty their bank account and give it to the NHS
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10/03/2021 11:09:14 4 2
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Nothing to do with the NHS, more to do with clown fest giving his chums obscene amounts of money and looking to pin it on the NHS.
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10/03/2021 10:47:33 2 13
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'MPs say' is the BBC translation for Meg Hillier says... ??
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10/03/2021 10:47:48 17 1
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There hearts were never in it - hardly any communication about using the app. And the main issue is general infection rates were and are too high for T and T to be effective.
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10/03/2021 11:03:22 8 3
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And the reason why we never quite got infection rates low enough to get test and trace to be effective. Was because we reopened too quickly.

What are the odds that we do the same this time around and a new variant sends us into lockdown 4 next winter?
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TC
10/03/2021 10:47:57 159 7
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Harding"s responses demonstrate that she doesn't really get what she is supposed to be running.
A track record of failure is a riduclous cv for such a high budget position
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10/03/2021 10:50:47 134 10
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What also annoys me is how she calls it NHS test and trace Next thing this Govt will count this appalling waste as money they have spent on the NHS, when local authorities would have done a far better job for a fraction of those £billions
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10/03/2021 11:36:41 13 4
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Her husband heads the think tank and pressure group seeking to privatise the NHS.
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10/03/2021 12:16:04 10 3
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Her voice was very shaky this morning
I want her gone
She sounds like she wants gone
But she can't be the sole sacrifice
This was a joint enterprise
And whilst she may feel the shame
I fear her co conservative spirators know no shame
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10/03/2021 10:45:33 2 26
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I'd take more notice of what the Labour chaired Public Accounts Committee had to say if just once it said something positive about what the government does but it doesn't so I don't.

Nice click bait though.
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10/03/2021 10:48:04 14 1
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It will still have more Tories on the committee, so your premise is a fallacy
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10/03/2021 10:48:15 100 16
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Only the Tories could spend £37,000,000,000 of taxpayers’ money on something that doesn’t work.
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10/03/2021 10:52:57 13 61
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But it does work, if people download it and adhere to its recommendations. People didn't, so it couldn't be effective.
10/03/2021 13:26:05 0 0
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Humber Bridge?
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10/03/2021 10:48:26 10 4
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"But it warned compliance with self-isolation seemed to be low."

You can spend what you want, have whatever tech you want but if people don't play ball it will be wasted
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10/03/2021 10:59:53 1 2
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Maybe if the government hadn't !@#$ on their public health messaging to protect a certain super forecaster...
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10/03/2021 11:57:26 0 1
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Which is why it was not Fit for Purpose.
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10/03/2021 10:48:45 41 1
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There's certainly a clear impact for the companies who got the billions.
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Kes
10/03/2021 10:48:57 140 16
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NHS wage will is ~£50billion per year. Money wasted on test and trace would cover a 12.5% pay rise for NHS staff for 6 years. Somehow we've only got enough to give them 1%.
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10/03/2021 11:00:59 98 7
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Still - trebles all round for gilded insiders!

And if they can use an insulting payrise to destroy the NHS and sell the residue to their chums, all the better!

This is POLICY not accident
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10/03/2021 11:01:21 16 2
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"That's all we can afford" the government says.

As they keep on funding insane schemes, through their forest of magic money trees!!
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Bob
10/03/2021 11:23:19 1 16
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"Nurses at the bottom of band 5 in 2017/18 have seen a 22% cash terms pay rise by 2020/21, which would be around 15%-16% in real terms. "

Don't believe the union lies that the entry level and lower band staff have seen such dire pay rises over the past few years and need a high rise now because of prior caps.

The lower paid aren't suffering as claimed, it is management & high brass who want it.
10/03/2021 22:44:36 0 1
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I do not work in the public sector, with all it's benefits and safety nets, I have not had a pay rise for 15 yrs, not really interested in what a nurse does, or does not get paid.....
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10/03/2021 10:49:34 11 3
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We should be marching on parliament for this. Imagine the good that could be done with £37 billion!
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10/03/2021 10:44:19 13 3
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Every single "person" involved in instigating and signing off this absolutely eye watering extortionate waste of public money MUST be sacked for Gross Misconduct ...arrested for Misconduct in Public Office , have ALL their pension rights stripped ......and hopefully the big cheese at the top whose name is on the document(s) gets locked up for LIFE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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10/03/2021 10:58:36 7 2
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Any investigation will say:

Legal. Reasonable. Move On.

It's this government's goto message.
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10/03/2021 10:46:01 5 22
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Before the lefties start going 'moan moan moan', most countries have failed in their test and trace systems, because the majority of people just ignore them. Unless of course you are somewhere like Japan. But remember, in Japan 99% of people charged buy the police are found guilty! Fancy that, all you left wing libertarians?
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10/03/2021 10:54:45 6 3
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We’ve beaten the rest of the world by countless £billions on how much you alt righters have wasted on this. I thought the alt right like Bojo bill themselves as libertarians??
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10/03/2021 10:58:37 0 1
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In emergencies, the government have the power to mandate things e.g. rationing during WW2. The problem is making such systems voluntary. Basing the tracing on a mobile phone app was never going to work AND the government were warned that, in creating a system from scratch, they were increasing costs & it was very likely the software wouldn't be compatible with different phone operating software.
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10/03/2021 10:59:47 0 1
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Err.... "Libertarian" - you don't actually know what the word means do you? Its almost as if you have no idea what you are talking about.
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10/03/2021 11:01:29 0 1
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What on earth are you talking about? 37 billion on this system and your talking about Japanese conviction rates? Left or right leaning the amount spent for the service provided is unbelievable, a large chunk of people here don't even have the opportunity to ignore the advice because they're never contacted. Tremendous waste of money going to fat cats rubbing their hands together of the back of T+T
189
10/03/2021 11:06:50 0 1
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but but but blither time
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10/03/2021 11:25:01 0 1
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More likely those ignoring the rules are the "I'm all right Jack, No such thing as society." types who are, unfortunately, common in Britain.
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10/03/2021 10:46:54 8 18
bbc
Whatever is said about the whole Covid situation, things would have been no better under labour.
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10/03/2021 10:52:32 5 4
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You have no way of knowing that.
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10/03/2021 10:57:19 1 2
bbc
Maybe under labour (please stop with 70s chants) the same money might have been spent on the people who actually pay their taxes instead of giving it covertly & now overtly to those that do not pay fair taxes which is the Tory way, they fool the gullible in to thinking they are "in the club" and turn them against one another. (See Conservative playbook USA for more info, same thing)
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10/03/2021 10:57:31 2 2
bbc
Sad deflection post
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10/03/2021 10:58:53 2 2
bbc
Utterly pitiful. Rather than allow any criticism of a truly spectacular failure you state with no evidence whatsoever it would have been worse under the opposition?

The countries that have had the most abject response, and the biggest piles of dead, are run by shouty right wing buffoons like Johnson or - until recently - Trump.

India, Brazil....
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10/03/2021 11:03:53 3 1
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Maybe they wouldn't have given £37Billion to their friends and family.
Maybe they would have let the NHS run it, just like the successful vaccine rollout.
Maybe don't try to justify Tories ripping off tax-payers wholesale just by pointing the finger at people who have nothing to do with the Tories corrupt CV19 spending!
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10/03/2021 11:45:31 0 1
bbc
Worst in the world!
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10/03/2021 10:42:55 154 29
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The stupid amounts of money that ended up being spent wouldn't have been needed had the Govt imposed a lockdown in mid-March rather than attempted herd immunity before dawdling for two weeks. The sheer panic that ensued following this mistake has meant that billions have been wasted. Second, why was our system so unprepared for this? It's really shocking for a country of our affluence and science.
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10/03/2021 10:49:50 43 9
bbc
The headline isn't correct, NHS Test and Trace has made loads o' money for many Con MPs, their spouses and their mates.

And it's the tip of the iceberg, don't forget PPE for the NHS, face masks etc etc etc

DISGUSTING CONS.
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10/03/2021 11:01:02 10 16
bbc
And did your beloved Labour party call them out?
Where has the opposition been for the past twelve months?
10/03/2021 17:05:06 0 2
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Didn’t the last labour gov give lucrative contracts to their mates, and put them in the House of Lords and any quango they could get them into. THEY ARE ALL THE SAME.
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10/03/2021 10:50:04 96 6
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Well dido harding the failed CEO at TalkTalk at the helm what was to be expected!!!
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sw
10/03/2021 11:19:01 59 5
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They are horsey mates. Dido Harding , Matt Handcock and Nadhim Zahawi.
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10/03/2021 10:50:05 9 11
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It hasn't helped much in Germany, Italy or France either, in fact, all those countries are seeing rising deaths now compared to the UK.
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10/03/2021 11:05:55 1 1
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but, but but blither
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10/03/2021 10:42:55 154 29
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The stupid amounts of money that ended up being spent wouldn't have been needed had the Govt imposed a lockdown in mid-March rather than attempted herd immunity before dawdling for two weeks. The sheer panic that ensued following this mistake has meant that billions have been wasted. Second, why was our system so unprepared for this? It's really shocking for a country of our affluence and science.
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10/03/2021 10:50:12 5 35
bbc
If we'd have continued pursuing herd immunity instead of the government caving in to twitter and imposing a damaging (and pretty much useless) politically motivated lockdown then it would have all been over by last summer.

Sure there would have been a few more deaths then (less this winter though) but we'd have saved BILLIONS of wasted tax payers money and would be back to normal now.
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10/03/2021 10:57:01 25 4
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Absolute nonsense - look at those countries which didn't impose a full Govt-backed lockdown: Sweden and Brazil to name 2.

Sweden: highest death rates and worst economic damage in Scandinavia
Brazil: highest death rate in the world and currently in the midst of a third wave despite having hit 'herd immunity' last summer due to a mutation meaning they can get it again...
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10/03/2021 11:33:00 12 4
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If there had been no lockdown we would have had ~ 1.2 million deaths by now - 600k because of the 1% fatality rate and an additional 1% avoidable deaths because of lack of ICU capacity. You can balance that against whatever cost (PPE, T&T, economic damage, whatever) to calculate what value you place on a human life. But that would be inhuman, right?
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10/03/2021 11:55:28 2 5
bbc
'a few more deaths'......

Brilliant analysis!

If you were in charge then, with 50k new cases a day and rising at what point would you have realised your mistake?

Maybe just let all the hospitals fill and hope, while people of all ages died of all sorts of preventable causes?
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Doc
10/03/2021 11:50:20 6 2
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Have you noticed the pattern of higher levels of mutations in communities where transmission has been higher?

Herd immunity doesn't work in this context.
10/03/2021 18:22:57 0 0
bbc
That approach is not going down well in Brazil is it?
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10/03/2021 10:50:24 13 2
bbc
How can it work properly when most people didn't/couldn't' download the app to start with?
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10/03/2021 10:50:34 9 2
bbc
Local track & trace (council) from my experience good - called regularly, provided advice & support and knew local area and support available. There's a lot to be said for local knowledge & previous experience in dealing with infectious outbreaks - eg norovirus. One size rarely fits all & imo a lesson from this is that local teams should have more input - which can still be coordinated centrally
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10/03/2021 10:50:38 13 4
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World beating?
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10/03/2021 10:57:01 6 1
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World beating corruption and incompetence
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jon
10/03/2021 10:46:39 6 12
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Another report using the same methods as captain hindsight yet infections, hospitalisations and deaths are all down. Cases are still increasing in France and Italy and around the world. Maybe those told to self-isolate should have been given a payment for lost earnings equivalent to furlough. People were giving false information, switching off apps and Bluetooth, or simply ignoring instructions.
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10/03/2021 10:50:41 8 4
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The UK has the highest Covid-19 death rate in Europe.

Says it all....
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10/03/2021 10:57:57 2 1
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If by "says it all" you mean completely ignores all context and important demographic/geographic/cultural/political/health factors, then yes, you're right.
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TC
10/03/2021 10:47:57 159 7
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Harding"s responses demonstrate that she doesn't really get what she is supposed to be running.
A track record of failure is a riduclous cv for such a high budget position
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10/03/2021 10:50:47 134 10
bbc
What also annoys me is how she calls it NHS test and trace Next thing this Govt will count this appalling waste as money they have spent on the NHS, when local authorities would have done a far better job for a fraction of those £billions
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10/03/2021 11:49:37 12 4
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Of course local authorities would have done a better job:

They already had staff who do it for a living.
They already have contact data for many of the local people.
They already have the facility to go door to door.
They know the local area and leaders within the communities.

I wish you could buy that sort of expertise for £6k a day.
10/03/2021 13:02:50 4 0
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Spot on!
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10/03/2021 10:51:13 552 36
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Let's not forget that the Tory MP in charge of anti-corruption is Dido Harding's husband.

Absolute joke.
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10/03/2021 11:31:54 238 23
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It's too ridiculous to have been a Blackadder plot.

Though I'd certainly trust Baldrick in government than at least half of the cabinet
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10/03/2021 11:31:54 33 12
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The Tory's have mismanaged this pandemic throughout.

They just pander to the loudest tweet without ever looking at the long term consequences. Society will be paying for this for decades - long after all those we are supposedly 'protecting' have died. Lockdown, test and trace and border restrictions are all abject failures.

The government need to open up now and start prioritising the future.
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10/03/2021 11:32:44 16 1
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At least it is world beating.
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10/03/2021 11:34:42 43 4
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Spot on, they have messe dup the pandemic response and given money to their mates. the only thing they seemed to do well was furlough and the vaccine rollout but that shouldnt mean we forget about all the failures theyve had during this time.
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10/03/2021 11:35:41 34 8
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The whole lot of them should be investigated. Billions and billions down the Tory gravy drain.

Please, please, please can we have a charismatic, honest, centrist and effective leader of the opposition? I don't mind Starmer but he's not working out.
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10/03/2021 11:38:16 51 4
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Grant Shapps stated on the BBC today that the £37 billion was used to contact 9.1 million people. That is £4,065 per customer. To put that in perspective that is 10 week’s wages for many people for each single person contacted. This insane government and the dead sheep opposition are a disgrace. Britain deserves better to get better, You do the maths.
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10/03/2021 12:00:14 10 1
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It is a joke, and we are more than happy to play along or we would have done something about it all by now.
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10/03/2021 12:01:27 16 2
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Can the Conswervatives not see that spaffing billions to their mates and awarding positions to their friends with no aptitude for the job and then awarding NHS workers 1% is political suicide.

Do they just not see it, or are they so arrogant that they think answering 'we believe it offered value for money' or 'that's all the Government can afford' will be swallowed by the electorate.
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10/03/2021 12:06:26 11 1
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John Penrose the former JP Morgan banker whose think tank wants to dismantle and privatise the NHS.
10/03/2021 13:23:08 8 1
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Unfortunately, it's beyond a joke. £37bn on funding for a system that failed to deliver and it's is not the only example of money siphoned out of the public purse into the personal coffers of Tory cronies. When will the general public of this country wake up to the fact that they are being ripped off? The PM is a charlatan and the government is corrupt. For the love of God UK, wake up!!
10/03/2021 14:08:13 3 0
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Its amazing how those in the know have made vast fortunes, yet we allowed it and then, we will accept higher taxes to pay it all over again.
We deserve it because we are stupid to allow it to happen.
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10/03/2021 10:51:29 15 3
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'no clear impact' despite £37bn budget"..... Yes there is , on the bank accounts of the Tory donors and friends who got the track and trace contacts.
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10/03/2021 10:51:34 2 6
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I think it's pretty likely that there has been a benefit from testing. The tracing part though is questionable, plus the app but we were following the example of South Korea, just like the opposition demanded.
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10/03/2021 10:51:36 18 10
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I'm waiting for the Con sheeple to blame this all on Labour.

PATHETIC.
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 2 5
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#hindsight
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10/03/2021 10:59:17 0 2
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Labour have encouraged lockdown, test & trace, school closures and mask wearing; so yes, all parties are responsible.
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10/03/2021 10:55:22 0 4
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Nobody I can see has blamed Labour. Lord only knows what their solution to this would have been.

PATHETIC
Dido Harding has a great future career path thanks to test and trace: she can advise African and South American despots on how to better milk their subjects Removed
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10/03/2021 10:47:45 36 13
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Harding is useless, I think we all agree on that. But test and trace was never going to work, it failed in all European countries.
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10/03/2021 11:16:03 10 2
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But their useless was £37 billion cheaper
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10/03/2021 11:17:21 6 1
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It worked in some but as the pandemic drew on they became less effective as people stopped buying into the product
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sw
10/03/2021 11:36:23 1 1
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Track and Trace can only really work, if there is a small amount of infection, in a low population country. With money given to people to isolate if infected, if they cannot work from home.
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10/03/2021 10:42:05 272 34
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Grant Shapps stated on the BBC today that the £37 billion was used to contact 9.1 million people. That is £4,065 per customer. To put that in perspective that is 10 week’s wages for many people for each single person contacted. This insane government and the dead sheep opposition are a disgrace. Britain deserves better to get better, I’m dangerously sick of them. You do the maths.
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10/03/2021 10:48:38 47 233
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More lefty fibs. The budget was £37 billion, but only about £4 billion of that was spent.
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10/03/2021 10:56:00 69 20
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Even £4 would have been too much on this completely useless exercise. I know you don't like criticism directed at your beloved borris, but even you have to concede that he messed up good when it comes to T&T.
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10/03/2021 11:08:41 30 4
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So where has the rest gone?
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10/03/2021 11:10:01 35 10
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Do you know how budgets work? This money was set aside for the service and will likely be used. That is 37 billion that can't go onto public services because it has been set aside and the Tory government have decided to gift it to their mates.

Why does this not bother you? It's your money they are spaffing up the wall
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10/03/2021 11:12:18 26 7
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It's not NHS Test and Trace, isn't it Servo? It's certainly a private contractor that have failed.

At least the Tories gave the vaccination programme to the NHS, and what a wonderful job the NHS has done.

Lots of our money has been wasted by the Tories and the links to the Tory Party stink.
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10/03/2021 11:07:34 25 9
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So who came up with the £37 Billions

IT'S IN THE TORY GOVERNMENT BUDGET STATEMENT

IT'S THE GOVERNMENT OWN FIGURES

You Tory reality denier
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10/03/2021 11:17:18 16 7
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You’ve spent a long time bleating in about lefties fibs without any concrete evidence to support your patriotic point of view, t&t in the uk is crap, doesn’t work nearly as well as the system in italy (I know because I was living there in 1st lockdown) here its just a business opp for the Tory mafia??
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10/03/2021 11:36:10 11 4
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You might want to re-read the first paragraph of the article. If, of course, you read it in the first place. It clearly says '£37bn' [over two years]. The sentence ends 'MPs are warning'.
Not a 'lefty fib' then. Just another made up righty claim for the purposes of deflection.
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GEH
10/03/2021 12:24:48 2 1
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And the vast majority of expenditure is on the millions and millions of tests.
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10/03/2021 12:35:02 5 1
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Tory bot.. ignore.
10/03/2021 12:48:44 4 1
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So can we have the £33 Billion back please to pay towards Furlough and a better pay rise for Nurses? And let a competent network of Local Authorities run it instead?
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10/03/2021 10:44:29 203 39
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So £37bn wasted on test and trace, 11% pay rise for vulture politicians, tory apologists stating nurses don't deserve more than 1%. We need a general election to get these wastrels out of power.
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10/03/2021 10:49:23 14 44
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Lefty fibs, as usual. £37 million was the budgeted amount. Only about £4 billion was actually spent.
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10/03/2021 11:14:02 34 7
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It was reported in all the Tory run media, nothing lefty there.
11/03/2021 08:16:02 0 0
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If that's true, I'm surprised nobody from the government has said it.
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10/03/2021 10:49:39 35 10
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Let me guess ?

The BBC will get the blame for reporting this, from Boris fanboys.
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10/03/2021 10:53:05 9 4
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It's already started

#hindsight
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jon
10/03/2021 10:46:39 6 12
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Another report using the same methods as captain hindsight yet infections, hospitalisations and deaths are all down. Cases are still increasing in France and Italy and around the world. Maybe those told to self-isolate should have been given a payment for lost earnings equivalent to furlough. People were giving false information, switching off apps and Bluetooth, or simply ignoring instructions.
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10/03/2021 10:51:50 6 2
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Sad deflection

Private companies loyalt to Tory HQ got contracts without a tender process, and either underdelivered or failed to deliver at all.

And these companies have a string of failures in the past. So it's not about hindsight, it's about corruption and cronyism
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10/03/2021 10:51:51 118 3
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I hope the government realise the freedom we gave them on spending money during COVID, did not mean freedom from later scrutiny.
10/03/2021 15:26:09 6 6
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They've wasted £7000 per UK inhabitant on these unnecessary lockdowns that didn't even work.
Career politicians are the problem and all the Corona zealots need to be voted out.
10/03/2021 20:03:39 0 0
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Scrutiny by who. any committee will be packed with Tory MPs.
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10/03/2021 10:51:53 82 5
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How controls the budget. Where is the breakdown of costs. What are the project deliverables. How are they measured. Who independently audits this office. Where does accountability and liability lie. Harding, Hancock and Johnson need to answer these questions.
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10/03/2021 10:57:29 54 5
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Handcock must have clicked thumbs down here because if anybody else has they are supporting grand scale corruption and incompetence.
10/03/2021 12:48:32 6 2
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Hancock and Bozo couldn't project manage a soiree in a brewery...
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10/03/2021 10:51:55 204 25
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37,000,000,000 pounds of taxpayers money spent/wasted on this and counting, yet still we end up with Europe's highest death rate, strictest and still ongoing lockdown and inevitably the worst economic downturn.
How will the government appointed cronies, contract recipients and their families be passing their time over the next decades as the nation in general goes about paying for their mistakes ?
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10/03/2021 11:01:10 46 102
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It’s small beer compared to the other £363Bn.

The UK decided to virtue signal about 0.3% of the population (the most elderly and chronically ill that were 98% at risk).

Fine, if that’s what the 99.7% wanted, but the Lockdowners need to suck it up and own it when the £400Bn overdraft letter lands on the mat...nobody has yet found the magic money tree. ??
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Bob
10/03/2021 11:05:07 17 14
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£37 billion has not been spent.

You are fake news.
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10/03/2021 11:12:25 12 5
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Ironically if we had spend less, and done fewer tests, our covid deaths would be lower.

In the UK and Belgium excess deaths are roughly equal to reported covid deaths.

In Italy and Spain excess deaths are 50% higher than the number of reported covid deaths.
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10/03/2021 11:12:27 15 14
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Strictest lockdowns? Try telling that to the French, who have had overnight curfews in place, or the Spanish, who were not allowed out of their homes without a letter of authority.

As for death tolls, we have one of the biggest populations in the EU. Other countries have higher or similar death rates, and some count in different ways. Time will tell on the true numbers.
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10/03/2021 11:20:57 6 17
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take a look at ONS website for flu death last year then you will understand that a lot of death have been miscounted as covid so that number is false
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10/03/2021 11:33:17 7 6
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1) The bulk of that money (~80%) is being spent on tests. Are you saying that all testing was a waste?
2) £37bn hasn't been spent - that's the total *allocated* over 2 years.
3) We also have Europe's highest obesity rate, which is now seen as the key risk factor in turning a high infection rate into high mortality rate.

But apart from that... yeah, evil corrupt Tories, BOOO!
10/03/2021 12:49:52 1 2
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We have the ninth highest excess death rate in Europe despite having the second highest population density. It would be nice to stamp Covid out totally but no state in europe has yet achieved that. Many states in europe with a higher excess death rate than us do not know how much of that is due to Covid, we do now thanks to the testing we are able to do.
10/03/2021 12:53:35 5 1
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The only measure of success for test-and-trace was stopping the spread of infection. But Bojo's pondlife says success is doing the most tests - hence every kit sent through the post and every double swab at a testing centre is added into his "world-beating" operation. Now 120,000 deaths and still in lockdown. Total failure.
The ever invisible Queen Dido and her entourage of £1k- a-day courtiers dance endlessly on at her Palace of Unlimited Public Funding and for what? How dare this grubby administration yelp about debt and tax or whimper at nurses pay when this over paid under performing shambles of a project still breathes the same air as us! Money back in full please! Dido can pawn her pearls! Removed
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10/03/2021 10:55:55 4 1
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Who clicked thumbs down to this? Was it you Handcock?
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10/03/2021 10:46:54 8 18
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Whatever is said about the whole Covid situation, things would have been no better under labour.
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10/03/2021 10:52:32 5 4
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You have no way of knowing that.
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10/03/2021 11:00:59 0 1
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True, but they're probably right.
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10/03/2021 10:56:20 0 3
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50-odd years of life experience
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10/03/2021 10:42:55 154 29
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The stupid amounts of money that ended up being spent wouldn't have been needed had the Govt imposed a lockdown in mid-March rather than attempted herd immunity before dawdling for two weeks. The sheer panic that ensued following this mistake has meant that billions have been wasted. Second, why was our system so unprepared for this? It's really shocking for a country of our affluence and science.
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10/03/2021 10:52:34 13 9
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We were told Germany had the best test, track and trace in Europe, it hasn't helped there and they currently have more weekly deaths from Covid than we do.
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10/03/2021 10:57:45 7 11
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Always fun to point out to the the UK haters that Germany often fails t things too!
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10/03/2021 11:50:37 3 2
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yesterday they had 50 more which allowing for their bigger population put it about equal. Overall there death rate per million population is under half ours, and that is despite their complete mess up on the vaccination, so clearly something else must be working pretty well. Not that it really matters, the article is about our gov wasting £37bn.
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10/03/2021 10:44:29 203 39
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So £37bn wasted on test and trace, 11% pay rise for vulture politicians, tory apologists stating nurses don't deserve more than 1%. We need a general election to get these wastrels out of power.
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10/03/2021 10:52:34 19 5
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If only a general election would solve it. Unfortunately there's just another bunch of humans waiting in the wings to demonstrate a similar level of incompetence.

The democracy and government we have is probably the best of all possible evils, just have to get used to it and hold people to account as much as possible.
10/03/2021 13:51:57 1 0
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It took me a while to form a reply to this point. I agree with you that the current form of government we have is probably the best, for now. Calling a general election is how we change a bad government. Although I don't see any current political party being able to provide a decent government. Maybe we need to find a better form of government, clearly party politics isn't working.
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10/03/2021 10:49:39 35 10
bbc
Let me guess ?

The BBC will get the blame for reporting this, from Boris fanboys.
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10/03/2021 10:53:05 9 4
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It's already started

#hindsight
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10/03/2021 10:53:17 4 12
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There isn’t a country that’s got it right yet. The UK was screaming do something March last year. They did. Now it’s why did you spend that much? There’s no winners. This is what happens in unprecedented Pandemics.
If individuals weren’t so selfish and greedy we wouldn’t be in the hell hole we are now.
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10/03/2021 11:04:37 2 2
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If Boris's friends weren’t so selfish and greedy we wouldn’t be in the hell hole we are now.
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10/03/2021 10:42:05 272 34
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Grant Shapps stated on the BBC today that the £37 billion was used to contact 9.1 million people. That is £4,065 per customer. To put that in perspective that is 10 week’s wages for many people for each single person contacted. This insane government and the dead sheep opposition are a disgrace. Britain deserves better to get better, I’m dangerously sick of them. You do the maths.
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 55 12
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It's unbelievable that there are people, in government as well as outside, who are willing to steal, cheat and con taxpayers out of their hard earned money.

Heads must roll!
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Pip
10/03/2021 12:20:36 2 2
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Yes they must, but they won't..........?
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10/03/2021 10:51:36 18 10
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I'm waiting for the Con sheeple to blame this all on Labour.

PATHETIC.
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 2 5
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#hindsight
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10/03/2021 10:45:02 273 18
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It has had a huge impact...on the pockets of the taxpayer
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10/03/2021 10:53:51 73 157
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So has everything about this pandemic. Shocking mismanagement by a government that does policy by opinion poll and caves in to every negative tweet.

Lockdown - unnecessary and damaging.

Border restrictions - unnecessary and damaging.

Just pandering to the loudest tweet every time!!
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10/03/2021 11:09:55 10 5
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So you could make the same accusation of every western government that has closed borders and had lockdowns.
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10/03/2021 11:12:26 22 7
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Considering over 120,000 people died despite lockdown measures in place, how many do you suppose would have died without lockdown? Society would have ground to a halt anyway, with all sectors of the economy affected by staff shortages
Just stay off here please. You talk absolute guff on every hys Removed
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10/03/2021 11:45:09 4 8
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Sad, but true.
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10/03/2021 11:48:28 16 3
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Lockdowns - necessary and worked.
There that has corrected that for you.
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10/03/2021 11:50:49 5 3
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Suppression (implying closed borders) has worked well for those that tried it. Not great news for travel based businesses though.

The other options have lead to lots of economic and health harms. I'm not aware of anyone who has succeeded with either suppression or laissez-faire.

You argument would be more persuasive if you had data to support it.
712
10/03/2021 11:47:29 3 6
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Absolute rubbish ignoring health professionals advice. Please tell us what you would have done to reduce infection rate, save pressure on NHS and save lives. Most of EU are way behind UK
959
10/03/2021 12:37:41 0 2
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Disgraceful!
10/03/2021 12:57:33 1 0
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Your logic is broken as you're shouting the loudest, but they haven't done as you say.
10/03/2021 15:09:56 0 4
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Rubbish.

Cases and deaths both falling and the most successful vaccine progframme in the world.

You should concentrate on facts, not propaganda.
66
10/03/2021 10:53:56 175 13
bbc
A mobile phone app which cost five times the price of the large hadron collider. How can anyone say that was good value for public money?
472
10/03/2021 11:34:57 53 5
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Especially when anybody with the slightest knowledge about radio frequency propagation could have told them it won't work.
539
10/03/2021 11:43:42 5 7
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You're talking rubbish, do some reading and educate yourself
567
10/03/2021 11:46:12 9 2
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Wasn't there also a cheaper, better and more privacy secure solution offered by Google for a fraction of the price?
743
10/03/2021 12:04:20 4 5
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Nobody. But there is no phone app that cost anything a single LHC.

Nearly all T&T money is testing. Second is trace. The UK has been testing and tracing far more than any other European nation. At a world level it has only been beaten by countries that allready had systems in place.

Maybe that's a bad thing, but it has nothing to do with phone apps.
786
10/03/2021 12:09:56 2 3
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I've never tried to use a large Hadron collider to make a phone call, what's the coverage like?
798
10/03/2021 12:11:16 1 3
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It is not just the app it includes all testing that has been carried out
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DbD
10/03/2021 12:44:18 3 3
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TEST and trace - they did 1.5 million tests yesterday. Cost so far is $4 billion, they haven't spent the rest of it.
10/03/2021 13:04:27 3 1
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This is the same as claiming it cost £37 billion for an Excel spreadsheet. Or buying a car for £20k and claiming it cost £20k for a car stereo.

A relatively very small amount of the overall total. I'm not defending the government's performance, but basing an argument on a fundamental mistruth doesn't help.
67
10/03/2021 10:54:09 28 4
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Well well well, who would have thought! Another HUGE waste of money that generations are going to be paying for for decades to come!
18
10/03/2021 10:47:10 2 19
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Useless NHS, over 140000 covid-related deaths in hands of NHS that has shown worse even than developing countries like India if not Nigeria or Bangladesh
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CJR
10/03/2021 10:54:15 3 4
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My friend Uk ranks 18th in the world for health care, China 144th I feel so very sorry sorry for all those poor Chinese people with a health care system that’s so poor.
142
10/03/2021 11:01:28 0 2
bbc
HAHA, are you living on the same earth ?
148
10/03/2021 11:02:14 1 1
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Can't say I'll ever feel anything close to sorry for China.
69
10/03/2021 10:54:35 12 4
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You can’t have an effective test, trace & isolate if people are forced to go out to work to earn money to pay the bills.
70
10/03/2021 10:54:38 22 2
bbc
NO CLEAR INPACT !!! LOL??????????????????????

YOU SHOULD SEE MY AND MY MATES BANK ACCOUNTS!!.????????????????????
86
10/03/2021 10:55:53 13 1
bbc
Fat cat Tory cronies always do well out of the public purse
71
10/03/2021 10:54:44 22 3
bbc
"no clear impact' despite £37bn budget" of course there is pals and family members of the Tory party got RICH
1
10/03/2021 10:42:05 272 34
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Grant Shapps stated on the BBC today that the £37 billion was used to contact 9.1 million people. That is £4,065 per customer. To put that in perspective that is 10 week’s wages for many people for each single person contacted. This insane government and the dead sheep opposition are a disgrace. Britain deserves better to get better, I’m dangerously sick of them. You do the maths.
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Bob
10/03/2021 10:54:45 35 34
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£37bn is the budget for multiple years.

Prior to the budget announcement last week where an extra £15bn was added we stood at £22bn & the latest NAO report showed only £4bn had actually been spent.

Also, it encompasses every aspect of testing, and tracing. So simply dividing £37bn by contacts traced is fake news. Now divide it by tests taken. Testing sites set up. Staff employed, so on & so on.
711
10/03/2021 11:47:14 2 8
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But that is telling the truth with facts rather than Meg Hillier and other left wing commentators agenda. The govt got a lot wrong who wouldn’t in the circumstances. What the wash up and shake down will show however is how Labour has been behind, wrong and out of step with pubic opinion through this whole thing.
Vaccine any body.
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10/03/2021 10:46:01 5 22
bbc
Before the lefties start going 'moan moan moan', most countries have failed in their test and trace systems, because the majority of people just ignore them. Unless of course you are somewhere like Japan. But remember, in Japan 99% of people charged buy the police are found guilty! Fancy that, all you left wing libertarians?
73
10/03/2021 10:54:45 6 3
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We’ve beaten the rest of the world by countless £billions on how much you alt righters have wasted on this. I thought the alt right like Bojo bill themselves as libertarians??
74
10/03/2021 10:55:07 11 1
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And who will be held responsible for this debacle? It will be handily slid under the carpet of Government cock-ups!
75
10/03/2021 10:55:08 9 2
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£37bn

Is that a misprint?

That's utterly ridiculous
158
10/03/2021 11:03:44 5 1
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add in the the billions for useless PPE from another one of the clowns.
76
10/03/2021 10:55:08 41 3
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Pay £37B to your old school chums and THEN say you can't give health workers a rise .......... hmm!
77
10/03/2021 10:55:17 18 2
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We could eradicate homelessness and hunger in this country with that sum of money!!

If we did I wouldn’t even care if some of it got skimmed to some private companies bank account with links to the govt

But it doesn’t even work!!
918
10/03/2021 12:31:41 5 0
bbc
Yes but how would the poor tories cope without being able to purchase a 4th home or luxury car??
78
10/03/2021 10:55:20 1 4
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Why do people even complain on here. We know that the money has given us a huge capacity to test, but the worry is how much of the money has leaked out. Complaining will get us nowhere, we all know that there are rich people getting their cut and some smug politician telling us in their coded language to suck it up and get on with it. Which most of us will do.
105
10/03/2021 10:58:29 0 2
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It’s not just the rich. Many people are taking Furlough and still working
7
10/03/2021 10:45:01 94 13
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We were talking Test and Trace at work last week, not one of the 14 people in that conversation had received any contact from the system, nor did they know anyone who has. It's almost as if it's not really working as it should......hmmm...
79
10/03/2021 10:55:23 48 6
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There were 5 cases to members of staff in my restaurant, all in the space of 1 week. No-one at test and trace forced the restaurant to shut down though.
463
10/03/2021 11:33:48 1 2
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That would be shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted though wouldn't it, maybe send the restaurant some info and some inspectors to ensure it's thouroughly cleaned and complying with requirements.
808
10/03/2021 12:13:08 4 2
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You would think you would do the responsible think and shut your restaurant down without needing to be told
80
10/03/2021 10:55:25 27 3
bbc
I'm sure some difficult questions, regarding this will be totally ignored, by the Government at PMQ's today......
171
10/03/2021 10:57:50 3 24
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If I was the PM, i'd be ignoring anything Captain Hindsight said as well.

No doubt, you'll claim that Sir Kier-starmer 'won' at PMQs again.
215
10/03/2021 11:08:43 6 1
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It's all Starmer's fault, apparently. #hindsight
9
10/03/2021 10:45:08 270 11
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This is our money being spent so it’s right those spending it are scrutinised accordingly.

In recent years tribalism has caused blind acceptance of those we like, even though no-one is perfect, while our media now look for spectacle over substance (for profit), which together have led to more incompetence in our politics.

These issues need fixing to make society better in the long run.
81
10/03/2021 10:55:32 119 76
bbc
A fool's errand from day one.
To be expected, when we are led by a Ship of Fools with Captain Pugwash at the helm.
I include the Opposition, the Nationalists and our Covid high priests from SAGE (who's narrow field of view has been given too much credence) amongst the crew, by the way.
327
10/03/2021 11:19:16 25 3
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The difference being that only Pugwash and his mates will ultimately benefit financially from this theft.
544
10/03/2021 11:44:28 21 3
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Look up the projections for lockdown 3 from Warwick Uni and London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. The scientists of both are on SAGE, they correctly called the max no of daily deaths (just under 2000 it was 1862). They both also called when the peak would be, within a week.

The UK press retrospectively find the least accurate modelling to quote, these 2 teams both nailed it.
10/03/2021 14:46:45 2 1
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I dont know how you can implicate the opposition for something the Govt has done...even if by saying they are not a credible opposition. The govt majority can just ignore the opposition because their majority delivered in England is so large...345 Tory seats in England ...20 tory seats outside England...elected by fools....
82
10/03/2021 10:55:42 28 4
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We did not have the penalties that Australia, New Zealand & isle of man had. People deliberately ignored the covid19 laws. Famous people ignored the law & were not fined, that is the problem
151
10/03/2021 11:02:47 27 3
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A certain Barnard Castle visitor got a 40% pay rise and a £30,000 tax cut. That has been part of the problem.
83
10/03/2021 10:55:46 27 4
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Full public enquiry needed now to hold the wasteful Conservatives fully to account for all the mistakes they have made. 140,000 deaths !!
423
10/03/2021 11:30:21 7 13
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and when that enquiry shows that it not 140000 covid deaths but much much less what then
84
10/03/2021 10:55:47 11 1
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The principal aim of the entire sorry mess has been to enrich insiders to a truly fabulous degree. They are insulated from all and any criticism.

The heavy lifting and effective work has been done by dedicated professional people who the Tories have set out to undermine from day one.

& while counting the loot, they offer a contemptible pay rise to the nurses and others in the hope they all quit
85
10/03/2021 10:55:53 34 3
bbc
Absolutely a corrupt regime !
70
10/03/2021 10:54:38 22 2
bbc
NO CLEAR INPACT !!! LOL??????????????????????

YOU SHOULD SEE MY AND MY MATES BANK ACCOUNTS!!.????????????????????
86
10/03/2021 10:55:53 13 1
bbc
Fat cat Tory cronies always do well out of the public purse
574
10/03/2021 11:46:38 3 1
bbc
Privatise the profits and socialise the losses is well understood by private investors.
The ever invisible Queen Dido and her entourage of £1k- a-day courtiers dance endlessly on at her Palace of Unlimited Public Funding and for what? How dare this grubby administration yelp about debt and tax or whimper at nurses pay when this over paid under performing shambles of a project still breathes the same air as us! Money back in full please! Dido can pawn her pearls! Removed
87
10/03/2021 10:55:55 4 1
bbc
Who clicked thumbs down to this? Was it you Handcock?
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10/03/2021 10:48:38 47 233
bbc
More lefty fibs. The budget was £37 billion, but only about £4 billion of that was spent.
88
10/03/2021 10:56:00 69 20
bbc
Even £4 would have been too much on this completely useless exercise. I know you don't like criticism directed at your beloved borris, but even you have to concede that he messed up good when it comes to T&T.
172
10/03/2021 10:59:21 18 59
bbc
I bet you love Germany. Tell us, how well did their test and trace system do?
202
10/03/2021 11:04:06 8 28
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I bet you didn't even bother to download the app yourself.
267
10/03/2021 11:14:06 7 11
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That is a ridiculous comment, and an insult to those working on the front line. The cost to set up one of the biggest testing regimes in the world is not overly high.
I bet you were one of those moaning we needed to be more like Germany at the start of the pandemic. Well, we now test more than twice as many as Germany and trace contacts at over 88.5% (England) success.
89
10/03/2021 10:56:09 23 2
bbc
What a disaster. Test and trace was abandoned in March 2020 because the large new private labs hadn't been set up but scores of commercial and Uni labs could have done enough testing to keep it going. A neighbour who's retired with a medical background says she has spent the last year being paid £40/hr to watch Netflix
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Bob
10/03/2021 10:56:29 5 2
bbc
What do you expect with a crooks like ALL politicians pulling the strings and snouts in the trough.
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10/03/2021 10:50:38 13 4
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World beating?
91
10/03/2021 10:57:01 6 1
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World beating corruption and incompetence
39
10/03/2021 10:50:12 5 35
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If we'd have continued pursuing herd immunity instead of the government caving in to twitter and imposing a damaging (and pretty much useless) politically motivated lockdown then it would have all been over by last summer.

Sure there would have been a few more deaths then (less this winter though) but we'd have saved BILLIONS of wasted tax payers money and would be back to normal now.
92
10/03/2021 10:57:01 25 4
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Absolute nonsense - look at those countries which didn't impose a full Govt-backed lockdown: Sweden and Brazil to name 2.

Sweden: highest death rates and worst economic damage in Scandinavia
Brazil: highest death rate in the world and currently in the midst of a third wave despite having hit 'herd immunity' last summer due to a mutation meaning they can get it again...
154
10/03/2021 11:03:30 6 2
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Equally, one can look at Peru. Strict, early, military enforced lockdown but death rate very close to Brazil (whose response has mostly consisted of repeatedly sacking ministers).
While avoiding lockdown does not guarantee everything is wonderful, locking down also doesn't guarantee this
93
10/03/2021 10:57:03 4 3
bbc
As Baroness Dido you said this system is built from scratch and that is the problem. No account is taken of local knowledge but contracts placed at great expense without proper analysis. NHS hospitals and GP's have that local knowledge and should have been given a greater role. That would have been more effective, cheaper. Can't help wondering if there was back scratching!
94
10/03/2021 10:57:11 0 5
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The Lateral Flow testing at school has been absolutely fantastic. It’s incredible what has been achieved in one year. Unfortunately, that costs.
34
10/03/2021 10:46:54 8 18
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Whatever is said about the whole Covid situation, things would have been no better under labour.
95
10/03/2021 10:57:19 1 2
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Maybe under labour (please stop with 70s chants) the same money might have been spent on the people who actually pay their taxes instead of giving it covertly & now overtly to those that do not pay fair taxes which is the Tory way, they fool the gullible in to thinking they are "in the club" and turn them against one another. (See Conservative playbook USA for more info, same thing)
55
10/03/2021 10:51:53 82 5
bbc
How controls the budget. Where is the breakdown of costs. What are the project deliverables. How are they measured. Who independently audits this office. Where does accountability and liability lie. Harding, Hancock and Johnson need to answer these questions.
96
10/03/2021 10:57:29 54 5
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Handcock must have clicked thumbs down here because if anybody else has they are supporting grand scale corruption and incompetence.
Handcock is as bent as a 9 bob note.
34
10/03/2021 10:46:54 8 18
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Whatever is said about the whole Covid situation, things would have been no better under labour.
97
10/03/2021 10:57:31 2 2
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Sad deflection post
173
10/03/2021 11:00:32 0 3
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True, though
98
10/03/2021 10:57:33 4 1
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Other countries like Australia, and South Korea, had track and trace systems in place before ours was developed and it seemed to be working well for them,
I don't know why we could not have bought the tech to run the same system that those countries were running and it would have probably been a lot less expensive than developing a whole new system.
632
10/03/2021 11:52:29 1 1
bbc
I think we do know why. Because we have a clown in charge who tries very hard to cover up his Brexit fiasco but getting us to believe we are the best in the world and should go it alone.
99
10/03/2021 10:57:34 30 4
bbc
Why can't we give nurses a proper pay rise? Because of ridiculous wastage like this:
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10/03/2021 11:01:10 6 11
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We could have sat back and done completely nothing of course
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Bob
10/03/2021 10:57:34 1 3
bbc
Yes that is clearly too much money but how are you meant to judge the impact anyway?