Covid-19: UK rejects 'false' vaccine export ban claim by EU
10/03/2021 | news | politics | 2,449
An EU diplomat is summoned to the Foreign Office following comments by the bloc's top official.
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10/03/2021 10:42:54 193 20
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...our 'friends' in the EU!
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10/03/2021 10:44:34 17 136
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Why would they not be friends Mark? Did we have a falling out?
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jon
10/03/2021 10:43:29 802 68
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The entire EU Commission, including Charles Michel, is embarrassed by the vaccine procurement fiasco. There has been widespread criticism from EU member states and MEPs. This is simply desperation and an attempt by Michel, without evidence, to deflect focus on Brussels failures and EU vaccine nationalism.
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10/03/2021 10:52:14 528 111
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EU are a disgrace

Who knew?
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10/03/2021 10:53:32 114 7
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I was very against leaving the EU - I thought is was a mistake and I still do.

But I have been very disappointed with the attitude the EU commission has adopted toward the UK since Brexit.

We aren't going away, the EU isn't going away - surely it is in everyones best interest not to be making unfounded accusations such as this.
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10/03/2021 10:53:40 31 177
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Vaccine nationalism is a Little Englander speciality.

The reality is that the vaccine is made in the EU by a part Swedish company. It was approved to EU standards and received EU funding.

Wave your Union Jack at the 900 UK staff that lost their jobs when the European Medicines Agency moved from London to Amsterdam.
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10/03/2021 10:57:20 20 55
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from the article it doesnt look as if uk has exported any vaccine, just say they will.
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10/03/2021 11:03:32 105 10
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The part mystifying me about your comment is that there are at 11.02am 13 people who think you are wrong and that the vaccination rollout in the EU is a roaring success. Blinkered vision springs to mind. Even the most EU ardent admirers have got to confess this has been a huge failure by the EU.
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VoR
10/03/2021 11:07:17 15 32
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Actually it's all about semantics. In practice, the UK is effecting a (temporary) ban without formally banning the export. However, one could argue that the UK is within their legal rights (under contract law) even if it is morally open to challenge.

That said, at least some EU member states also seem to be blocking exports in order to secure domestic supply.
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10/03/2021 11:18:49 44 1
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I am a remainer and I believe we were better off in the EU, but the whole vaccine deal is very much sour grapes on their part and it really doesn’t help anyone. I believe the original post here is spot on
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10/03/2021 11:22:27 21 1
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The shape of things to come
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10/03/2021 11:23:57 22 1
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Agree, none of which has been reported by the BBC.
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10/03/2021 11:38:29 2 27
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10/03/2021 11:47:04 3 27
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Brexiteers are too busy hating an organisation they are not even part of to be able to tell us how many vaccines the UK has exported.
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10/03/2021 11:41:50 17 1
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The EU is finished after this. Most countries in it are economically feeble, and the few strong ones will not keep bailing out the rest forever more.
10/03/2021 12:07:15 1 9
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Deflecting focus...

Now where have we heard that before (cough-brexit!)?
10/03/2021 12:08:33 8 1
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I agree. The sad thing (I like the EU btw) is that this looks like a deflection exercise and punishment. A real shame if the EU is behaving like this, as it is not "just" - unless there is clear evidence (which I don't believe there is). Looks like a deepening issue for the Commission (sad for our friends on the Continent).
10/03/2021 12:44:39 0 3
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The EU has been naïve and supported the UK ever since WW2 . It's time to grow up .
Politicians are the same everywhere - they lie.
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10/03/2021 10:50:01 4 43
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Although AZ isn't entirely without blame here. Most of the blame should still go to borris - he still can't see the difference between a lie and an honest mistake.

Neither can most on here, it would seem.
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10/03/2021 10:44:23 209 19
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Very disappointed with the EU.
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10/03/2021 10:53:18 154 30
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Not surprised , though
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SP
10/03/2021 11:06:26 17 4
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As a past remain voter I am actually disgusted for voting that way. Thanks to EU's bully attitude all over the negotiations and later
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10/03/2021 10:42:54 193 20
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...our 'friends' in the EU!
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10/03/2021 10:44:34 17 136
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Why would they not be friends Mark? Did we have a falling out?
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10/03/2021 10:50:23 5 17
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We fell out when we went to war with Germany to save Europe and the world. The war isn't over yet.
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10/03/2021 10:51:05 13 5
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No we had an agreement were we paid them £40 billion and let them use our fishing grounds
10/03/2021 12:04:07 11 1
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Didn't do as we were told I think. Now the bully tries to...well... bully.
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10/03/2021 10:44:43 471 43
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EU, Covid laughing stock, looking to stir up trouble to cover their own disastrous failings....
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10/03/2021 10:50:19 99 400
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We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
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10/03/2021 10:54:27 12 35
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Glad you find covid a laughing matter. Says more about you if I'm honest.
10/03/2021 12:34:48 0 4
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120,000 plus deaths, nothing to see hear.
10/03/2021 12:48:38 0 1
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look out, Megan and Hazza might go over there and get the Germans to declare war on us.
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10/03/2021 10:44:53 9 42
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So we know vaccines have been exported by the EU; indeed we use them.

Still waiting to hear how many vaccines we’ve exported from the UK...

Or are we “waiting until everyone in the UK has been vaccinated”?
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10/03/2021 10:49:09 11 5
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You must hate the uk to take eu side ......wow
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10/03/2021 10:50:28 4 1
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We export the lipids for the Pfizer vaccine for a start

Without that they couldn't make them

We also sell the "UK" vaccine at cost and have set up production across the globe to supply the world

Nothing for that? No good will or thanks?

Cool
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10/03/2021 10:53:54 0 4
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Excellent comment, Tommy.
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10/03/2021 10:54:24 1 1
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Just like an airplane oxygen emergency, put your mask on before assisting others. Its is just sensible practice.

We have bought over 400 million doses and I look forward to the UK helping out other nations in a few months time.
10/03/2021 13:03:18 0 0
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by the EU or from the EU?
It is not for the UK government to determine how private companies fulfil their contracts.
Is it not the case that exporting the technology to make doses is as important in saving lives as exporting the physical vials?
50 million doses a month of the Oxford/AZ vaccine produced in India
perhaps we should have kept all the manufacturing here and charged them £15 a dose
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10/03/2021 10:44:59 600 39
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The EU seem a bit obsessed by the UK and its vaccine success...jilted ex syndrome...maybe they should focus on their own shortcomings like the 'reason for 800k doses of AZ sat in German fridges because of the politics, not science based, attack on its effectiveness.
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10/03/2021 10:53:06 26 515
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Yes and the reason is that AZ has an efficacy of 62%.
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10/03/2021 10:55:10 14 34
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Achtung, mind your grammar: "sitting" in German fridges.
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10/03/2021 11:01:02 7 107
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There was no "politics based" attack on the AZ vaccine. What possible political capital could any EU nation's leaders make out of denigrating a fully effective vaccine when their own voters do not give a **** about the UK? The US and Switzerland, and even Sweden, expressed doubts about the effectiveness of the AZ product having been demonstrated for older people. Was that all "politics"??
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10/03/2021 11:03:53 6 89
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That UK success that allows all vaccine companies immunity from any eventual problem that may arise in the future, whereas the EU have not given that immunity.

So we have been used as guinea pigs.
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10/03/2021 11:28:29 1 14
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We were lucky in the Netherlands that we found some of the first human antibodies to work with .. There would not be a vaccine by this time without it at this time .. But yes , the EU is slow .. This virus is mutating faster light and than calculated - expected by scientists .. It's not cool to import and export from the UK to the EU and the other way around ..
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10/03/2021 11:37:02 15 1
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Love the 'jilted ex syndrome' comment!

So true....
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10/03/2021 11:46:36 2 13
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It was is not political, their scientists had not approved it
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10/03/2021 11:47:54 3 25
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Funny. I can say the same of the UK. Consistently cherry picking our vaccine success as a example to try and justify Brexit (When it had nothing to do with Brexit in the first place), When completely ignoring every other aspect of our society where Brexit is ruining industries, lives and our economy...

Brexiteers really are delusional. Still banging on about the EU even after we have left...
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10/03/2021 10:45:01 748 83
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Like it or not, we are currently in a quasi trade war with the EU. Our Govt is partly to blame but the EU decision to ban shellfish exports, refuse financial equivalence, and over-impose checks on goods is nothing short than punishing us for leaving the EU - don't get me wrong, I voted remain, but it reeks of sour grapes and punishment for leaving.
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10/03/2021 10:47:41 308 40
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It goes beyond 3rd party treatment too. That is the key point.
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10/03/2021 10:55:01 30 6
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We should have been a bit better prepared for countries not playing fair though. We have no control over what the EU does beyond what we can negotiate. Sometimes they will be wrong, sometimes we will be wrong. It will be complicate. But ultimately ordinary people will suffer
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10/03/2021 10:55:53 34 64
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The UK government is only "Partly" to blame? You mean fully.

Shellfish exports is our fault for not understanding how that industry would be fully affected by leaving. Equivalence would imply that we are equally sized entities, we are not. The EU market is far larger than the UK's. Imposing checks on good is a result of us leaving. It isn't "punishment" in the slightest. That was part of the deal
There is no "ban" on shellfish exports. Shellfish from third countries was always subject to controls, we didn't have it as part of the EU, now we do - not new, just reality. The EU is just doing what they have always done and what we used to benefit from as a member - protectionism for the member states. Why should they bend over backwards to harm their members by making it easy for us to export? Removed
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10/03/2021 10:59:38 30 34
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ummm TheMiller, we signed the shellfish thingy in 2008 so not a ban. Financial Equivelance was always going to require further negotiation - please read government assessment that 2020 date allowed only time for bare bones trade. Checks are what happens to third countries and that was what Johnson decided. It's not sour grapes and not punishment sir. It's our choice - not explained to us
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10/03/2021 11:04:25 47 13
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100% true

For EU UK is not even third party like USA

They are treating us with vengeance
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10/03/2021 11:05:49 10 7
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Yep, We should all try and BUY BRITISH wherever we can, to help the British economy. I am currently boycotting anything from the EU. And that includes in my business.
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10/03/2021 11:17:52 6 1
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Get used to it - you're a competitor now.
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del
10/03/2021 11:39:52 10 2
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Shellfish exports are just following the regulations for non EU imports. nothing else. If we were still part of the EU then different rules would apply.
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10/03/2021 11:40:00 10 2
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The EU did not ban shellfish exports. They implemented the pre-existing rules, which the UK had a hand in writing, in regard to shellfish from 3rd party countries.

Whether he knew it or not, this is what Johnson imposed on his own fishing community in signing off his wonderful agreement which consigned the UKL to being a 3rd party country.
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10/03/2021 11:42:28 8 2
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But the EU are only applying the rules , for third party countries, that we helped put in place. Its not sour grapes or punishment this is what johnson negotiated and signed off
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10/03/2021 11:43:15 4 4
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One of the main Leaver complaints against the EU was that they are a bullying, protectionist dictatorship. So nothing's changed then. If they didn't play nice when we were in the gang, how likely are they going to do it now we've left?
10/03/2021 12:03:48 2 2
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So why would you want to remain among such people do you not see the damage they have done to this country over the years the plundering of our wealth stealing our companies, technology and know how, flooding our labour market ,dumbing down of our kids. Time for change and it is they who are looking down the barrel of the gun not us we make our own destiny they have no control.
10/03/2021 12:04:02 3 2
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I'd hardly call it a trade way, but yes, we are in competition with them and thay have to be seen as our competitors. I rather think we will do rather well out of leaving the dictatorial and over regulated European Union.
10/03/2021 12:19:03 3 1
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What other countries have granted the UK “financial equivalence”, or is this just a favour you expect from the EU?
10/03/2021 12:21:50 2 4
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Oh yes. I was listening to radio 4 this morning - they were discussing the post-Brexit lower levels of trade between Germany and the UK. Funnily enough, there was much bigger reduction one way then the other.... aside from China and the USA, we buy more German cars than any other country on the planet. We don't want a trade war, but the EU needs to mind its arrogance.
10/03/2021 12:33:25 2 0
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It's the UK's fault for not agreeing a financial services agreement. The UK govt. prioritised a fishing agreement, for an industry that employs 10,000 in the UK, 0.1% of GDP, over financial services that employs nearly 1 million and produces 10% of GDP, 100x more than fishing.
10/03/2021 12:38:28 2 2
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Most of what you list is simple EU law and was EU law before we left. In fact, the British demanded a lot of it. To the extent that it's punishment for leaving, so what? The nationalists in Britain are a disgrace. They caused the rancour, they pulled the trigger no matter which gun fired. I have zero sympathy.
10/03/2021 12:39:17 2 1
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Well you're just as naive as these that voted Leave then. All the EU is doing is applying the rules. We're now a 3rd country that has signed an extremely thin deal. The EU is working for the benefit of its members, why should it do us any favours. I work in Financial Services and it was obvious to anyone with more than 1 brain cell that the EU would look to grab as much of the sector as it could.
10/03/2021 12:48:19 1 2
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You didn't vote remain.
Sorry the uk is a third country now. Brexit is a growing fiasco
10/03/2021 12:52:37 1 1
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As predicted .. the EU “handing out punishment beatings”
10/03/2021 14:22:04 0 0
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I voted remain too and you are absolutely right! Ultimately the EU Commission's performance on Covid will be the undoing of the EU.
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10/03/2021 10:45:47 389 18
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Seems a very odd comment from someone so high up in the EU. You would have thought they might have checked the facts before speaking especially after the cock up with Northern Ireland recently....
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10/03/2021 10:58:20 332 43
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If we had a referendum this summer whether to rejoin the EU 90% would say NO
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10/03/2021 11:01:13 45 6
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Not odd. Remember the day after the 2016 referendum, an emotional Martin Schulz (then President of the EU Parliament) threatened to dismiss the UK from the EU immediately. It was then pointed out to him that the EU do not have the legal means to dismiss any member state. Lesson: the EU must learn to send their best people to EU institutions, not amateurs such as Charles Michel and Martin Schulz.
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10/03/2021 11:10:47 18 38
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How do you know what the facts are? You are just assuming that the UK Government are telling the truth. Quite a large assumption !
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10/03/2021 11:30:57 14 7
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Well Boris never checks his facts does he - "World Beating".
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10/03/2021 11:48:00 12 7
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Michel is just incompetent. Most EU officials are, as exemplified by their high priestess Von der Leyen.
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10/03/2021 12:27:42 4 5
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It's not odd at all. The EU has always been a bombastic, undemocratic quango intent on overriding national governance, hence why the UK voted to have nothing more to do with it. The EU's now behaving like a petulant child that hasn't got it's own way, entirely in character.
11/03/2021 06:29:01 0 0
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It has become increasingly obvious that the EU will use misinformation to wrong foot those who do not align with them. The recent financial crisis in Greece being an example.
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10/03/2021 10:46:09 177 39
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More disgraceful lies from the lying EU
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10/03/2021 10:48:03 97 29
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If there is a hold up because of EU's own regulations regarding medicine

it would be poetic justice.
Bojo was sacked for lying twice.

He lied his way to Number 10.

Pot, kettle?
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10/03/2021 10:52:05 7 10
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That's rich coming from a nation with a government based on disgraceful lies.
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10/03/2021 11:13:36 7 1
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There seems to be a lot of damaging untruths coming from outside of these shores lately !
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10/03/2021 10:46:31 261 7
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Surely these claims are prime for a BBC ‘Fact Check’, no??
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10/03/2021 10:52:52 297 22
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I like your style but I think we will be waiting a long time for EU claims to be put under scrutiny.

The BBC 'fact check' could have a look at Meghan and Harry's claims too (but we aren't allowed to have 'our say' on that are we beeb),
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10/03/2021 11:01:41 3 27
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Who's claims? Raab's or Michel's, or both?
Michel's parting shot was 'there were "different ways of imposing bans or restrictions on vaccines/medicines". '
I expect Raab is is suspending his natural proclivity to disingenuousness when he says there's no outright ban, but unless the "different ways" are specified there is nothing to fact check.
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10/03/2021 11:36:37 21 5
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I wouldn't trust a BBC 'Fact Check' anymore than I trust the EU
10/03/2021 12:34:59 2 10
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I wish they would do that for this HYS. The amount of misinformation, skewing and exaggeration made by delusional Brexiteers truly is disgraceful. Ridiculous claims are being made faster than those refuting them.
10/03/2021 13:11:12 1 1
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Fat chance of that happening, for starters it would require impartiality not to mention a seismic agenda change.
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10/03/2021 10:46:31 436 31
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If the EU spent a fraction of their energy focusing on innovation and getting things done opposed to protectionism and bureaucracy....it might actually work.
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10/03/2021 10:55:26 79 38
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The EU troll themselves, though
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10/03/2021 11:10:19 23 4
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It cannot though. Protectionism and bureaucracy were hardwired into the EEC/EU at its birth in 1957 when it used 1950's France as its template. It has been almost impossible to reform ever since.
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10/03/2021 11:28:29 6 14
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But they do. They are a hub of international research. That is why membership of the EU is favoured more than not in all other EU countries.

You also can't accuse the EU of doing something and then refuse to look at your own side if they are doing the same thing. The bureaucracy, Brexit "red tape" that WE imposed on ourselves for trade is destroying currently many industries. This is UK's fault.
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10/03/2021 11:31:39 1 7
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The truth will always come out .. Same as with the death of diana and so on .
10/03/2021 12:05:41 12 1
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They are certainly not winning any friends in Australia.
10/03/2021 12:24:56 6 2
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Sadly, I think they are well past that. The UK's departure should shake it up, but we'll see. It's a narcissistic organisation.
10/03/2021 12:43:09 3 5
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Your grasp of what the EU actually is is amazingly poor, even by Kipper standards.
10/03/2021 15:41:41 0 1
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Since brexit, I have realised how protectionist the EU is, it is very scary but I hope we can truly break free. I voted remain but Brexit has opened my eyes to how nasty the EU are. Would I vote to rejoin, I am not sure. What is the worse they can do, not sign the free trade agreement?
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10/03/2021 10:47:09 61 8
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The EU screwed up its vaccination programme and now they want to blame everyone but themselves.

Its sad.
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 10 31
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"Dominic Raab has described the suggestion as "completely false""

And we all know the value of a Tory's word.
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10/03/2021 10:50:09 2 1
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So are you claiming that M Michel's statement is correct?
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10/03/2021 10:50:57 0 2
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In this instance it is valued higher than the EU's.
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10/03/2021 10:53:45 0 1
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Same as yours !
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 135 22
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The EU has totally failed to protect the EU population. Now they are thrashing about looking for somebody to blame. We need to make sure that EU citizens understand the extent of EU failure to encourage more states to quit this failed project
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10/03/2021 10:50:50 27 193
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Nothing failed about the European project. Increasingly looks like the UK is fast becoming a failed project, with countries wanting out and turmoil throughout the land. Of course if it makes you feel better to vilify the EU then go ahead. Most people can see the truth: the future doesn't look good for the UK.
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10/03/2021 10:53:21 25 7
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Absolutely spot on remainers who cannot now see the deceit the EU visits on the people are blind in both eyes and deaf not dumb unfortunately they still keep spouting garbage.
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10/03/2021 10:56:47 5 35
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You are on your own mate no other country are daft enough to do what the UK have done
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10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
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The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
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10/03/2021 10:51:40 5 3
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Oh what complete and utter tosh where do you dream up such rubbish give it a rest and get with the programme.
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10/03/2021 10:51:15 4 2
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Wow. The EU isn't the only thing desperate around here. Stockholm syndrome?
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Sam
10/03/2021 10:52:01 5 2
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I think you'll find it's the self absorbed EU Gravy train politicians that are the problem. The 27 member countires (who remain our friends) are suffering at their hands just like we are...
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10/03/2021 10:53:59 4 1
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Your comment makes no sense with regards to this article.
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10/03/2021 10:55:14 6 2
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Think you need to exit your fantasy world.
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10/03/2021 10:57:22 2 2
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Which world do you live in ?, Fantasyland.
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10/03/2021 10:47:41 173 25
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Typical EU misbehaviour; we are well out of it.
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10/03/2021 10:45:01 748 83
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Like it or not, we are currently in a quasi trade war with the EU. Our Govt is partly to blame but the EU decision to ban shellfish exports, refuse financial equivalence, and over-impose checks on goods is nothing short than punishing us for leaving the EU - don't get me wrong, I voted remain, but it reeks of sour grapes and punishment for leaving.
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It goes beyond 3rd party treatment too. That is the key point.
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10/03/2021 11:02:54 19 27
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It does't. Like those complaining about shellfish? We signed that in 2008. Why didn't anyone remind the fishermen? Probably the government hadn't bothered t think it through. Third country status? What we wanted I was told. The "Norway" leave pushed by Johnson and Farage before the referendum vanished as soon as the votes were counted. We are next door, not the far side of the Atlantic
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10/03/2021 11:43:48 7 3
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Not really Johnson negotated third party status and signed it off. They are only following the rules we helped set up
10/03/2021 12:17:19 2 0
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Can you give a concrete example of going “beyond 3rd party treatment”?
10/03/2021 13:06:09 2 0
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If it goes beyond 3rd party treatment then surly the UK has to lodge a complaint. Has this been done ? Everyone one knew the EU would never offer a good deal this one is terrible. The EU have everything they wanted. Free access to the UK for Exports.
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10/03/2021 10:47:47 337 25
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The EU has become your angry drunk uncle at a christening

Just flailing around being obnoxious but nobody knows how to stop him ....they all just shake their heads and look sad
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10/03/2021 11:36:30 26 210
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Funny. That analogy is more accurate for the UK if anything.

Apart from the "nobody knows how to stop him" part. That bit is easy for the US and EU to do if we continue to break international law and law abiding agreements on a regular basis.
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10/03/2021 10:46:09 177 39
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More disgraceful lies from the lying EU
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10/03/2021 10:48:03 97 29
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If there is a hold up because of EU's own regulations regarding medicine

it would be poetic justice.
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10/03/2021 10:48:26 266 18
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EU has made a complete disaster of their vaccine rollout, to the extent that members states are procuring vaccines form outside of the centralised EU system. Note the key word here - centralised. A bureaucratic monster like the EU is failing its citizens. And what better way to lash out, than to tell porkies of the ex-member state that got its act together for its citizens. The shame.
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10/03/2021 10:56:47 40 269
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Brexiteers always see what they want to see, and often they already see it before even opening their eyes.

The EU vaccination scheme is going fine. A country like NL (which was last to start) now expects to finish by mid-July, which is actually a few weeks earlier than the UK.

A central policy makes a lot of sense. There is no point vaccinating one country but not the country next to it.
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10/03/2021 11:42:42 7 1
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It is very usual for failing organisations to blame "others" especially if it can be pinned on "foreigners"
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10/03/2021 10:46:09 177 39
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More disgraceful lies from the lying EU
Bojo was sacked for lying twice.

He lied his way to Number 10.

Pot, kettle?
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10/03/2021 10:50:49 5 20
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This has nothing to do with Boris, though
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Sam
10/03/2021 10:48:53 155 11
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Just trying to divert the attention away from themselves and the total mess they have made of the vaccine rollout. They've even messed up help from Russia. And as for blocking vaccines going legitimately to Australia..... They should hang their heads in shame.
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10/03/2021 10:44:53 9 42
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So we know vaccines have been exported by the EU; indeed we use them.

Still waiting to hear how many vaccines we’ve exported from the UK...

Or are we “waiting until everyone in the UK has been vaccinated”?
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10/03/2021 10:49:09 11 5
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You must hate the uk to take eu side ......wow
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10/03/2021 11:03:26 1 1
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That does not follow logically at all. It's an asinine comment.
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10/03/2021 10:49:13 404 17
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UK didn't officially banned any vaccine export. original issue is between EU and Astra Zeneca. .

Now EU turned that into UK vs EU fight

Fact is EU cannot even justify its row with AZ

How EU can expect to jump the queue having placed the order 3 months late and then blame UK for getting its order earlier?
113
10/03/2021 10:57:29 220 34
bbc
They're still sulking about not getting their diplomats based in London, though
10/03/2021 12:58:43 2 8
bbc
The UK have over 100 drugs banned from export because they ‘may’ be of use in covid treatment. But do not let the truth get in the way of hate comic headlines.
27
10/03/2021 10:49:18 47 8
bbc
every time the EU speaks shows how right we were to get out of such a useless and dictatorial bloc. We will be so better off in the future and the EU is finished.
28
10/03/2021 10:49:22 229 48
bbc
How can any remainer look at the disgraceful way the EU are behaving over this and still think we should be part of this is beyond me.

People who are Pro EU should be ashamed.
79
10/03/2021 10:54:03 42 207
bbc
The EU is protecting their member countries, as we knew they would. Now we are a third country we are seeing how the EU deals with people outside the group - just as remain warned. Project Hate always claimed to know better, dismissing warnings as Project Fear and like every other lie they told, it's been exposed. UK used to have a powerful voice in the world as part of the EU, now we are isolated
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SP
10/03/2021 10:58:13 40 12
bbc
I voted remain back in 2016. But accepted the referendum result immediately after the referendum

Few more remainers took some more time to accept the result

And further more remainers accepted it atleast after the Brexit

But remainers who are still supporting EU are not original remainers of 2016.

They are EU fanatics and they are mostly against UK which is actually disgusting
163
10/03/2021 11:01:04 1 1
bbc
It's not really anything to do with frictionless trade though
197
10/03/2021 11:03:44 11 35
bbc
You decimated your country's economy over some false nationalist rhetoric, you have no business saying anyone else should be ashamed lol
281
10/03/2021 11:10:18 9 27
bbc
Might it be because the behaviour and actions of the UK government is considerably worse than just comments from the EU? Broken an international law abiding agreement twice. Not to mention Brexit really has badly affected the economy much more than you Brexiteers seem to realize.

Brexiteers are the ones who should be ashamed for being so ignorant and deluded for ruining their own country.
458
10/03/2021 11:23:46 15 7
bbc
Many UK people are thanking their lucky stars in sheer relief, that we we finally left the shambles that is the EU
The EU represents a post-war economic experiment, that has failed and let down all of their own Nation states
A mighty financial & political crunch is coming, which will destroy this failing institution
The 'Euro' may be the first to collapse, followed, by the whole 'House of cards'
10/03/2021 13:36:03 1 1
bbc
Ashamed about what? This tiny spat? Unseemly, unnecessary, but a storm in a tea cup.

What I'm ashamed about is our Govt agreeing a protocol that gave NI "the best of both worlds" (Gove) but was prepared to break within a year and is now doing so. Granted the EU hasn't covered itself in glory here but this wasn't an issue before the lies of Brexit. I remember before the GFA, don't want to go back
29
10/03/2021 10:49:49 31 3
bbc
They have to blame someone to justify their completely haphazard way of ordering vaccines. Caused their own problems by not using AZ saying it was not good enough, which proved to be wrong.
Politicians are the same everywhere - they lie.
30
10/03/2021 10:50:01 4 43
bbc
Although AZ isn't entirely without blame here. Most of the blame should still go to borris - he still can't see the difference between a lie and an honest mistake.

Neither can most on here, it would seem.
259
10/03/2021 11:07:57 3 0
bbc
Dont forget to count yourself in that statement
883
10/03/2021 11:52:48 2 0
bbc
You still think you're debating in the Forum of Ancient Rome don't you ?
31
10/03/2021 10:50:03 212 22
bbc
Even the most die-hard EU supporter is going to have a hard time trying to defend their beloved institution's disastrous vaccination programme, but I'm sure they will try their hardest to do so.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.
54
10/03/2021 10:52:03 22 98
bbc
Oh the irony . . .
149
10/03/2021 10:59:48 7 3
bbc
I still think protectionism will be damaging overall, even with their poor political handling of their vaccine rollout
225
10/03/2021 11:05:46 16 4
bbc
My thoughts exactly. How anyone is down arrowing these comments about the EU vaccine rollout being a disaster is beyond me. Even EU countries say it is except Macron of course.
334
10/03/2021 11:14:46 11 18
bbc
The problem is, we accept when there are faults in the EU. But Brexiteers are utterly incapable of the reverse, seeing the problems for the UK. You lot still delude yourselves into thinking that the "EU is going to collapse" any day now. 40 years of the same nonsensical message.

Fundamental differences into the way we think and act, and Britain is on the losing end because of people like you.
520
10/03/2021 11:27:52 8 9
bbc
The EU has failed miserably on this issue.

VarIous UK governments over the years have also had some bad failures.

No institution is perfect.
But on balance I would still prefer to be in the EU with the ability to opt out of EU schemes such as the Covid vaccine, as well as other opt-outs that the UK enjoyed.
552
10/03/2021 11:30:17 10 4
bbc
Did you see Layla Moran Lib Dem?
Blames EU vaccines mess on the fact we left & weren't there to use our 'negotiating expertise'!!

Hilarious thought these remainers said we couldn't negotiate our way out of a paper bag.
Yet any way they can, try to blame us for the EUs failings
10/03/2021 18:04:33 1 0
bbc
They'll probably just take solace in the fact that Germany and France have managed to keep their death toll far lower than the UK. And always will be.
15
10/03/2021 10:47:30 10 31
bbc
"Dominic Raab has described the suggestion as "completely false""

And we all know the value of a Tory's word.
32
10/03/2021 10:50:09 2 1
bbc
So are you claiming that M Michel's statement is correct?
241
10/03/2021 11:07:25 0 0
bbc
His post implies no such claim. The most you can infer is that the statement may not be "completely false"
6
10/03/2021 10:44:43 471 43
bbc
EU, Covid laughing stock, looking to stir up trouble to cover their own disastrous failings....
33
10/03/2021 10:50:19 99 400
bbc
We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
60
10/03/2021 10:52:52 61 8
bbc
This not about deaths which are well known; it's about an accusation that the UK blocked vaccine exports.
71
10/03/2021 10:53:22 93 13
bbc
You need to educate yourself on a few things.

Namely, population numbers, population density, demographics, transport links, Alpha cities and global hubs.
75
10/03/2021 10:53:51 63 10
bbc
Because we have more obesity and more BAME
98
10/03/2021 10:55:39 42 13
bbc
It could be that France, Italy and Germany have higher weekly Covid deaths which are rising whereas ours a falling, remember the UK is four countries, add the three European countries together I mentioned and their deaths are far higher.
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JGC
10/03/2021 11:11:43 37 5
bbc
No we have not. Figure are collated differently so no comparison available apart from excessive deaths. Educate yourself
350
10/03/2021 11:16:08 15 1
bbc
You need to check how those numbers are obtained!! the UK counts any death within 28 days of a positive covid test whereas a lot of the EU only count those with Covid written as the actual cause of death so difficult to compare death rates
369
10/03/2021 11:17:47 8 4
bbc
Have you looked at the footnote to the latest number of deaths, it states that the the total is for the number of deaths of anyone who has tested positive within 28 days whether or not the actual cause was caused by covid, try halving the total and you might get nearer to the truth. Scaremongering at it's best.
389
10/03/2021 11:18:33 13 1
bbc
Germany catching up fast as ours slows down. Should have used AZ for over 65s earlier.
528
10/03/2021 11:28:39 6 1
bbc
Yes your right. However our flu deaths and deaths by natural causes have massively decreased. Europe on the other hand have the largest death toll from pneumonia ever . Teaks a bit if you read between the lines.
557
10/03/2021 11:30:29 5 2
bbc
In addition to population, demographics etc. you're also confusing 'of' and 'had' Covid. We may never know the true numbers, the actual causes or the contributory factors and these may never be known. Until then it's all criticism and armchair expertise.
589
10/03/2021 11:32:26 8 1
bbc
Why, though?
Probably having Heathrow and Gatwick connected to London has a lot to do with it.
Families coming back from half term holidays in France, Spain and Italy and spreading the virus throughout the UK before anyone was aware of it had an effect.
Demographics, population densities, obesity rates......etc etc etc
Perfect storm for a virus.
643
10/03/2021 11:36:06 2 2
bbc
Mainly due to our inclination to obesity and liking for all things American perhaps?
667
10/03/2021 11:38:40 2 3
bbc
What exactly has that got to do with us v the EU? The EU has zero responsibility for what individual countries do re lockdowns etc....
696
10/03/2021 11:41:00 4 1
bbc
We also have the most idiots who think it is smart to have mass demonstrations involving people that are more likely to catch and die from Covid. But that bit doesn't fit your liberal dogma, right.
766
10/03/2021 11:44:32 2 0
bbc
"Deaths within 28 days of a positive covid test."
Not all necessarily covid deaths.
926
10/03/2021 11:56:18 4 1
bbc
Not for long - other EU countries are about to overtake us.
939
10/03/2021 11:57:30 3 0
bbc
Than ANY, not EVERY. There is a difference. We also have a densely packed ageing population.
977
10/03/2021 11:59:49 3 0
bbc
what has deaths got to do with it, how is the government responsible for the victims innate immune system and the speed at which the acquired immune system kicks in? men are 3 times more likely to die of covid than women, is that the Govt fault? Mixed race are the most likely to survive, is that the govt's doing?
999
10/03/2021 12:01:21 4 0
bbc
So as an example I am travelling down the motorway and get into RTA where I sadly loose my life, 25 days prior to that I had a positive test result for Covid 19, my death certificate mentions I had Covid 19 within the last 28 days and this gets recorded in the national figures, so do yo see how these figures are distorted and the actual death toll from Covid 19 is not actually known!
10/03/2021 12:04:18 3 0
bbc
Context needed. It is now clear that there are many factors which influence the number of deaths. Obesity, percentage of ethnic minority population, population density and so on.

Perhaps if half the UK population (myself included) was slimmer and fitter then the number of deaths would have been fewer. And perhaps the NHS is not as proficient or lacks staff/equipment/drugs to prevent death.
10/03/2021 12:00:58 4 1
bbc
So you aren't aware we are the most densely populated country in Europe? That might help a disease to spread don't you think?
10/03/2021 12:06:05 4 1
bbc
New cases in the EU:

France: 23,302
Italy: 19,749
Poland: 9,971
Germany: 6,841
Hungry: 6,494
UK: 5,766

With this in mind, it suggests that these countries will continue to see new cases, while the UK should now start to see far fewer. And we are.
10/03/2021 12:17:08 4 1
bbc
If all europe counted their deaths like we do there would very little difference .
10/03/2021 12:28:11 2 1
bbc
Have they measured deaths in the same way that we have? I think not, therefore you can not possibly reliably make that statement.
10/03/2021 12:30:18 1 1
bbc
Do you automatically believe every statistic put out by the mass media? Or only the anti-UK ones?
10/03/2021 12:31:23 3 1
bbc
Not as many per 100,00 as Belgium.

Also depends how deaths are counted in each country.
10/03/2021 12:33:08 2 0
bbc
This is a very debatable statistic, it seems that there is a huge variation in how deaths are ascribed. We need to look at excess deaths, which tells us that if we remove the covid deaths the death rate in the UK is down on what would normally be expected pointing to the fact that the UK is overcounting covid deaths, including those who died because they didn't get the help they needed
10/03/2021 12:33:14 0 1
bbc
Yes, but they do not have a "feisty" population like the UK.
10/03/2021 12:42:23 0 3
bbc
The idea that Britain was a success by buying large amounts of a vaccine that hadn't at that time been produced, let alone approved, which was only approved due to British government pressure, and which when it was was the least effective on the planet (even the Russian one is said to be better) -- well, the nationalists can at least claim credit for killing more people.
10/03/2021 12:48:01 1 1
bbc
Strange how you are so trusting of governments.... but only when it suits your argument. To make your statement means you believe with question all deaths reported by all governments are on a level playing field basis. Would it interest you to know Italy had 100,000 excess deaths in 2020, and UK had 75,000?
5
10/03/2021 10:44:34 17 136
bbc
Why would they not be friends Mark? Did we have a falling out?
34
10/03/2021 10:50:23 5 17
bbc
We fell out when we went to war with Germany to save Europe and the world. The war isn't over yet.
10/03/2021 17:27:30 0 0
bbc
Haha crikey Bill, don't sit on the fence. The war is over darling, put your rolling pin down and take a few deep breaths
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10/03/2021 10:44:53 9 42
bbc
So we know vaccines have been exported by the EU; indeed we use them.

Still waiting to hear how many vaccines we’ve exported from the UK...

Or are we “waiting until everyone in the UK has been vaccinated”?
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10/03/2021 10:50:28 4 1
bbc
We export the lipids for the Pfizer vaccine for a start

Without that they couldn't make them

We also sell the "UK" vaccine at cost and have set up production across the globe to supply the world

Nothing for that? No good will or thanks?

Cool
36
10/03/2021 10:50:30 37 2
bbc
Didn't italy stop a shipment?
840
10/03/2021 11:49:03 13 0
bbc
Yes, ironic isn't it :-) Fancy the EU criticising the UK for (allegedly) doing something it does itself. You really couldn't make it up.
37
10/03/2021 10:50:46 47 5
bbc
Is this what we are in for now a constant stream of lies, carping and spite from the EU demonstrating yet again it is not fit for prurpose and is simply a manifestation of the Fourth Reich the more they carp the more the Brits will dig in their heels it's who we are it is well and truly stuck in their craw. ??
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MVS
10/03/2021 10:53:06 8 2
bbc
Yes, sadly it is.
Bojo was sacked for lying twice.

He lied his way to Number 10.

Pot, kettle?
Removed
38
10/03/2021 10:50:49 5 20
bbc
This has nothing to do with Boris, though
88
10/03/2021 10:54:49 4 10
bbc
Brexit has nothing to do with lying Bojo?
16
10/03/2021 10:47:30 135 22
bbc
The EU has totally failed to protect the EU population. Now they are thrashing about looking for somebody to blame. We need to make sure that EU citizens understand the extent of EU failure to encourage more states to quit this failed project
39
10/03/2021 10:50:50 27 193
bbc
Nothing failed about the European project. Increasingly looks like the UK is fast becoming a failed project, with countries wanting out and turmoil throughout the land. Of course if it makes you feel better to vilify the EU then go ahead. Most people can see the truth: the future doesn't look good for the UK.
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10/03/2021 10:53:21 22 9
bbc
The EU is like an angry drunk clown ??

Not funny

And nobody knows why we ever thought it was a good idea in the first place
103
10/03/2021 10:56:09 37 8
bbc
At least the UK has democracy and everyone has a vote.

"WHEN THINGS GET SERIOUS WE HAVE TO LIE" - EU President

"MAKE THEM VOTE AGAIN UNTIL THEY VOTE CORRECTLY" - EU President
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10/03/2021 11:05:25 3 27
bbc
They will say anything to make themselves look better and the EU is an easy target. They will still be taking shots at the EU in 10 years time and beyond, it's part of their national identity now lol
244
10/03/2021 11:07:38 4 3
bbc
He! He! is this meant as tongue in cheek humour? good one !
332
nfn
10/03/2021 11:14:42 14 3
bbc
Scotland wanted independence according to the snp , before we voted to leave the e.u. so the uk voting to leave had no bearing on the Scottish opinion.
408
10/03/2021 11:11:43 24 3
bbc
Clearly, you would be much happier living in a EU country. Shut the door behind you please
490
10/03/2021 11:25:59 16 0
bbc
The problem with the independence theories is a lack of truth from those advocating it, biggest assumption is getting immediate access back into the EU and the facts about how they will replace the money currently allocated out of the UK budget which for Wales & Scotland is higher per capita than for England due to the Barnett formula. Would love to see how they budget without it
663
10/03/2021 11:38:29 10 3
bbc
Even EU members don't believe that load of old rubbish!
701
10/03/2021 11:41:12 7 2
bbc
The pandemic is the most serious crisis countries will face other than being at war. When the chips are down you want your government to protect your population. There is no bigger challenge than keeping your people safe. Can you honestly say the EU has done this ?
10/03/2021 12:46:56 2 2
bbc
What do you mean by 'most people?' Paid up members of the EU Appreciation Society?
10/03/2021 14:06:02 2 2
bbc
Most people can see the truth..... oh yes, 10 upvotes and 41 downvotes. That statement proven.
10/03/2021 15:28:22 1 1
bbc
You are free to exercise your right to live elsewhere if you wish!
10/03/2021 17:59:18 0 0
bbc
Enjoy the EU blaming everybody else for their continuing failures.
40
10/03/2021 10:50:54 52 5
bbc
Finally (and amazingly) a HYS on this subject

I think that it is absolutely fantastic that the EU has made these claims, and not because they are even remotely true

Quite the opposite, in fact
15
10/03/2021 10:47:30 10 31
bbc
"Dominic Raab has described the suggestion as "completely false""

And we all know the value of a Tory's word.
41
10/03/2021 10:50:57 0 2
bbc
In this instance it is valued higher than the EU's.
5
10/03/2021 10:44:34 17 136
bbc
Why would they not be friends Mark? Did we have a falling out?
42
10/03/2021 10:51:05 13 5
bbc
No we had an agreement were we paid them £40 billion and let them use our fishing grounds
43
10/03/2021 10:51:13 6 4
bbc
He said - she said politics.

So fed up with our political "Elite"
44
10/03/2021 10:51:22 5 16
bbc
It's a good job that the UK never lies about the EU. That would make the UK a bunch of hypocrites.
45
10/03/2021 10:51:25 125 8
bbc
Clearly the EU is not as "unified" as it likes to project to the rest if the world and this petty blame game is no good to anyone.
It clearly demonstrates when the UK was not in a strong political position in the early years of the Brexit discussions just how much "bullying" and forceful pressure they actually used.
A level playing field is something they clearly are not happy with.
979
10/03/2021 12:00:07 10 59
bbc
But there isn't a "level playing field". Because the UK and the EU are not equals. Look at the demographic and economic statistics or even just look at a map! The EU has the upper hand in almost every way.

The fact that you think they were/are "bullying", just shows how little you have actually spent the time into reading into the situation.

We have a lot more problems than they do.
46
10/03/2021 10:51:36 52 3
bbc
More lies from the EU
17
10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
bbc
The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
47
10/03/2021 10:51:40 5 3
bbc
Oh what complete and utter tosh where do you dream up such rubbish give it a rest and get with the programme.
48
10/03/2021 10:49:36 63 6
bbc
Lets see how the EU luvvies praise the EU today. The EU didnt get world reaction on the NI issue, now they targeting vaccinations. If its becoming norm for EU to berate UK constantly then you know the UK is doing something right and the EU is scared for their holy project.
10/03/2021 12:15:42 2 9
bbc
You are being fooled.
49
10/03/2021 10:51:47 51 3
bbc
Just unnecessary and nasty from the EU.

Grow up and love your neighbour.
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ian
10/03/2021 10:51:58 14 5
bbc
Surely this would have been reported on, in the same way the EUs actions regarding notification of intent to export and more recently blocking the export of vaccine has been. This looks like mud slinging to justify their actions with no evidence of anyone else doing this and that included President Trump. How unfortunate that Trump appears to have more morals that the EU.
51
10/03/2021 10:51:59 185 12
bbc
I voted Remain and I am a supporter of the EU as a project.

However, their handling of this vaccine situation has been very poor. They seem to be using the Brexit fallout for political point-scoring on this mishandling.

Fortunately, many of my European contacts see through this. I hope those responsible are held to task when this blows over!
220
10/03/2021 11:05:09 88 24
bbc
As a remainer you know no one will lose their jobs their unelected...so keep on thinking its Democratic in your blinkered dreams
300
10/03/2021 11:12:17 5 9
bbc
Ahh!! never mind, you have the full sympathy of all us 'Brexiteers' and we hope you will at some time you will see the error of your ' Thoughts'
10/03/2021 13:20:24 0 1
bbc
unelected bureaucrats?
17
10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
bbc
The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
52
10/03/2021 10:51:15 4 2
bbc
Wow. The EU isn't the only thing desperate around here. Stockholm syndrome?
17
10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
bbc
The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
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Sam
10/03/2021 10:52:01 5 2
bbc
I think you'll find it's the self absorbed EU Gravy train politicians that are the problem. The 27 member countires (who remain our friends) are suffering at their hands just like we are...
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10/03/2021 10:50:03 212 22
bbc
Even the most die-hard EU supporter is going to have a hard time trying to defend their beloved institution's disastrous vaccination programme, but I'm sure they will try their hardest to do so.

There's none so blind as those who will not see.
54
10/03/2021 10:52:03 22 98
bbc
Oh the irony . . .
10/03/2021 12:42:13 4 1
bbc
Oh the blindness...
11
10/03/2021 10:46:09 177 39
bbc
More disgraceful lies from the lying EU
55
10/03/2021 10:52:05 7 10
bbc
That's rich coming from a nation with a government based on disgraceful lies.
81
10/03/2021 10:54:12 7 16
bbc
It's coming from my post, though, I said it, not the government
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Bob
10/03/2021 10:52:10 21 6
bbc
Perhaps a shooting war is about to break out. Wars have started over far less important issues. But there again Germany, France and Italy have a track record for starting conflicts.
902
10/03/2021 11:44:29 0 3
bbc
GUESS which country has started more wars than all the rest put together?
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jon
10/03/2021 10:43:29 802 68
bbc
The entire EU Commission, including Charles Michel, is embarrassed by the vaccine procurement fiasco. There has been widespread criticism from EU member states and MEPs. This is simply desperation and an attempt by Michel, without evidence, to deflect focus on Brussels failures and EU vaccine nationalism.
57
10/03/2021 10:52:14 528 111
bbc
EU are a disgrace

Who knew?
453
10/03/2021 11:23:29 42 1
bbc
17.4m of us!
835
10/03/2021 11:39:02 1 1
bbc
Do you mean Germany France Italy Spain Holland Belgium ....
10/03/2021 12:00:44 5 1
bbc
17.4m Knew.
58
10/03/2021 10:52:26 47 3
bbc
The EU = the gift that keeps on giving. Not vaccines however.
59
MVS
bbc
Second rate failed politician from Belgium tries to be all grown-up and important and fails spectacularly. The cover up of incompetence over vaccines in Brussels is almost as thorough and sickening as the SNP cover-up of the incompetence of the Scottish government over the Salmond affair. Removed
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10/03/2021 10:57:53 0 1
bbc
Failing to see what the SNP, SG or HR have anything to do with a vaccine story regarding Brussels. Don't worry about a cover-up re SNP. Come May we in Scotland will give our verdict on the SNP (and the Tories and WM) come the HR elections. PMH
169
10/03/2021 10:55:31 0 0
bbc
The list for SNP incompetence is much longer than just trying to frame Salmond for being a sex pest.
33
10/03/2021 10:50:19 99 400
bbc
We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
60
10/03/2021 10:52:52 61 8
bbc
This not about deaths which are well known; it's about an accusation that the UK blocked vaccine exports.
12
10/03/2021 10:46:31 261 7
bbc
Surely these claims are prime for a BBC ‘Fact Check’, no??
61
10/03/2021 10:52:52 297 22
bbc
I like your style but I think we will be waiting a long time for EU claims to be put under scrutiny.

The BBC 'fact check' could have a look at Meghan and Harry's claims too (but we aren't allowed to have 'our say' on that are we beeb),
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10/03/2021 11:09:56 13 2
bbc
Is there a way to link vaccine exports to UK Test & Trace & Migraine & Harry. Then we could an HYS. Perhaps replace Fiona Bruce on QT with the Grand Old Opry. Dreams!
EU could export all the AZ vaccine it hasn't used. I guess it chose Pfizer as best vaccine because the Germans are the only ones who can make super cooled fridges for its storage. Graft again in politics. Amazing
729
10/03/2021 11:29:02 2 2
bbc
Off topic, Bro!
805
10/03/2021 11:46:46 9 0
bbc
You can't 'fact check' a media circus!
969
10/03/2021 11:59:05 3 8
bbc
You can add "anti-Meghan" to the list of anti-EU, anti-BBC, anti-BLM, anti-immigration, anti-climate change, anti-mask, anti-lockdown.....such easy steps.
10/03/2021 12:33:51 3 2
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Your comment wont be up for long I made the same comment yesterday and BBC pulled it down for breaking the house rules.
10/03/2021 12:42:51 0 1
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Neither was Piers Morgan...
10/03/2021 13:04:16 1 2
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Fully agree with your second point. History shows that relationships between American divorcees and members of the British Royal Family are very bad for the UK. Time to strip Harry and Meghan of any titles - and any financial support. I feel sorry for the hard working Royal Family left to carry the burden. Meghan certainly acted in her interview. She should also learn about the 'stiff upper lip'.
aa
10/03/2021 18:30:54 0 0
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Perhaps the Queen's statement did it for us. "others may remember things differently". So take the statements from the interview with a pinch of salt. The BBC should stop promoting the WOKE output and let people have their say.
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10/03/2021 10:52:54 11 2
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Isn't about time these two close neighbours stopped rowing and bickering over the garden fence and got down to some amicable relationship. One gets the feeling that the tit for tat weekly disputes are being stirred up by self seeking politicians for what nefarious political purposes.
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10/03/2021 10:53:02 5 10
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Most here portray the EU as a vicious force erecting barriers between people. How can you say this? The EU is considered a peace project. In communist days the Iron Curtain divided East from West. Normal Central Europeans could not travel abroad or buy Western goods. Letters scanned, telephones tapped (no internet then). Propaganda, censorship. Militarisation. Never again please.
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10/03/2021 10:55:33 1 1
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All those things were already in planning by the EU.
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10/03/2021 10:55:59 0 2
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Take off your rose tinted glasses and look at reality because it doesn't correspond to your rosy view. Remember we have had four votes and everyone wanted us out so please shut up.
NATO guaranteed the peace. The eu did not exist before the berlin wall came down.
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10/03/2021 10:57:45 0 1
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All true, but it wasn't the EU (EEC at the time) that saved the central Europeans from oppression. The first ex-communist states to join the EU did so only 15 years after the fall of the Iron Curtain.
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10/03/2021 10:58:05 0 1
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What has that to do with the EU?
NATO possibly, but the end of the communist USSR had more to do with economic failure from trying to match US defence spending.
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10/03/2021 10:59:34 0 1
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The EU didn't stop that, the fall of communism and the control of Russia did.
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10/03/2021 11:04:57 1 1
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The EU a "peace project" ? pretty ridiculous comment, the EU is totally incapable of keeping any peace, the only time that they should have made an effort to keep the peace was in the Yugoslavia conflict, in which they completely failed.
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10/03/2021 10:50:46 47 5
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Is this what we are in for now a constant stream of lies, carping and spite from the EU demonstrating yet again it is not fit for prurpose and is simply a manifestation of the Fourth Reich the more they carp the more the Brits will dig in their heels it's who we are it is well and truly stuck in their craw. ??
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10/03/2021 10:53:06 8 2
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Yes, sadly it is.
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10/03/2021 10:44:59 600 39
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The EU seem a bit obsessed by the UK and its vaccine success...jilted ex syndrome...maybe they should focus on their own shortcomings like the 'reason for 800k doses of AZ sat in German fridges because of the politics, not science based, attack on its effectiveness.
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10/03/2021 10:53:06 26 515
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Yes and the reason is that AZ has an efficacy of 62%.
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10/03/2021 10:58:11 95 4
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which has been proven BS,
So are you saying that if AZ was the only vaccine that works you would refuse it. Idiot Removed
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VoR
10/03/2021 11:09:37 30 0
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You also need to consider the definition of efficacy. For example, 100% effective against people dying, vs 50% effective against avoiding hospitalisation vs 20% effective against preventing any symptoms etc.

Some of the vaccines with lower headline rates of efficacy perform better in terms of keeping people out of hospital and saving lives.
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10/03/2021 11:25:11 21 0
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You’re a bit out of date mate! Keep up!
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10/03/2021 11:26:14 20 3
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As you well know, that level is after the first jab. The efficacy after the second jab is above 90%.

No-one is recommending only 1 jab. Again, no reasons for the EU to turn their nose up at it. Apart from the company is part British. What a disgusting, racist organisation they are.
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10/03/2021 11:29:42 8 0
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Which is significantly better than no vaccine at all.
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10/03/2021 11:35:02 13 0
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Even the EU has moved on from that lie now!
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10/03/2021 11:35:53 10 0
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I'd rather have 62% efficacy than none at all, if indeed your 62% is correct.
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10/03/2021 11:44:02 14 1
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Wow! You get called for spouting absolute BS and you resort to calling people racist bigots when the EU is an institution and not a race, do you see how foolish this makes you look, we left get over it!
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10/03/2021 11:45:56 3 0
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800,000 * 0.62 = 496,000 protected people
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10/03/2021 11:50:13 8 0
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Liar, liar, pants on fire!
If you post childish stupid things expect similar response.
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10/03/2021 11:50:44 5 0
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Interesting - the german press praise Britain more than some of our own!

https://www.thearticle.com/why-is-germanys-biggest-newspaper-telling-its-readers-to-envy-the-british
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GS
10/03/2021 11:55:19 5 1
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Are you part of the EU Fourth Reich, or just as dumb as your comment?
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10/03/2021 11:55:52 9 1
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It does not when a gap is allowed between doses - then its 86%. In fact in real world data its working slightly better in the over 80s than the Pfizer - based on 1.2 million jabs.
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10/03/2021 11:58:40 5 1
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There's fake news, and then there's half baked lies.
10/03/2021 12:04:07 3 1
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Even if 62% efficiency were the case that's better than the zero to low percentage of vaccinations which have been administered and organised by much of the EU and it's member states
10/03/2021 12:05:46 4 1
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62% BETTER THAN ( ZERO )
10/03/2021 12:07:53 5 1
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Even if that were correct, which it isn't (as others have linked you to). Those figures would be good by vaccine standards in general. Aside from that the EU seem awfully keen to get hold of a vaccine they ordered late, withheld approval for, rubbished in the media and then blocked the export of. Not good optics whatever your political persuasion.
10/03/2021 12:08:01 5 1
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Check your facts!! Incorrect - see latest data before making ridiculous comments!!
10/03/2021 12:09:49 3 1
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"AZ has an efficacy of 62%."
===

Twin-round-objects.

Not what the MEDICAL DOCTOR (note, doctor, not nurse or volunteer) who vaccinated me with it yesterday said.
10/03/2021 12:16:09 5 0
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Get brain in gear please. Current stats suggest an efficiency of over 90%, Please don't peddle the anti-vax rubbish from Merkel and Macron.
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10/03/2021 10:53:10 50 6
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Did anyone expect this bunch of lying, unelected bullies to say anything different?
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10/03/2021 10:44:23 209 19
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Very disappointed with the EU.
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10/03/2021 10:53:18 154 30
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Not surprised , though
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 135 22
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The EU has totally failed to protect the EU population. Now they are thrashing about looking for somebody to blame. We need to make sure that EU citizens understand the extent of EU failure to encourage more states to quit this failed project
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10/03/2021 10:53:21 25 7
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Absolutely spot on remainers who cannot now see the deceit the EU visits on the people are blind in both eyes and deaf not dumb unfortunately they still keep spouting garbage.
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10/03/2021 10:50:50 27 193
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Nothing failed about the European project. Increasingly looks like the UK is fast becoming a failed project, with countries wanting out and turmoil throughout the land. Of course if it makes you feel better to vilify the EU then go ahead. Most people can see the truth: the future doesn't look good for the UK.
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10/03/2021 10:53:21 22 9
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The EU is like an angry drunk clown ??

Not funny

And nobody knows why we ever thought it was a good idea in the first place
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 13 4
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Once again the EU show themselves incapable of being a serious organisation more of a kinder garden of petulant children.
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We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
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10/03/2021 10:53:22 93 13
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You need to educate yourself on a few things.

Namely, population numbers, population density, demographics, transport links, Alpha cities and global hubs.
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10/03/2021 11:03:55 13 50
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All of which is equivocal to many of the countries in the EU. The truth is the UK government until the most recent lockdown did a very poor job in trying to manage the spread of Covid-19. Not even the most deluded of Brexiteers can deny this.

You are the one who needs to educate yourself.
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10/03/2021 11:06:11 13 37
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I think you have a good point there.

It has certainly been proved that the population is more dense in the UK
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10/03/2021 11:08:09 15 1
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Quiet right. Belgium and Slovakia have higher rates of death. Also Italy has just passed 100,000 deaths and rates across Europe are rising. Very sadly it looks as if the rest of Europe will soon catch up with the UK.
The final tally is not in.
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10/03/2021 10:43:29 802 68
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The entire EU Commission, including Charles Michel, is embarrassed by the vaccine procurement fiasco. There has been widespread criticism from EU member states and MEPs. This is simply desperation and an attempt by Michel, without evidence, to deflect focus on Brussels failures and EU vaccine nationalism.
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10/03/2021 10:53:32 114 7
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I was very against leaving the EU - I thought is was a mistake and I still do.

But I have been very disappointed with the attitude the EU commission has adopted toward the UK since Brexit.

We aren't going away, the EU isn't going away - surely it is in everyones best interest not to be making unfounded accusations such as this.
10/03/2021 12:04:14 0 9
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"We aren't going away, the EU isn't going away"

In the same way that Biden is, I imagine they are hoping Johnson goes away some time soon. I don't think their gripe is with the UK, but with these current Tories.
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10/03/2021 10:43:29 802 68
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The entire EU Commission, including Charles Michel, is embarrassed by the vaccine procurement fiasco. There has been widespread criticism from EU member states and MEPs. This is simply desperation and an attempt by Michel, without evidence, to deflect focus on Brussels failures and EU vaccine nationalism.
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10/03/2021 10:53:40 31 177
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Vaccine nationalism is a Little Englander speciality.

The reality is that the vaccine is made in the EU by a part Swedish company. It was approved to EU standards and received EU funding.

Wave your Union Jack at the 900 UK staff that lost their jobs when the European Medicines Agency moved from London to Amsterdam.
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10/03/2021 11:04:48 95 11
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Ignoring the evidence as usual Strawcat
Yes, we will wave our Union Jacks.

In the meantime you can cry moar.
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10/03/2021 11:21:38 61 2
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What planet you on. AZ vaccine developed in Oxford, yes that’s in England last time I checked, with UK money by a Swedish based international company. EU has stopped at nothing to rubbish the AZ vaccine. Changed their tune now eh! How about you changing you tune! It’s boring now!
Bitter and ignorant... this year's look for Remainers... you wear it so well. Removed
The continent is only an hour away. Last flight is at about 10pm. Removed
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10/03/2021 11:44:07 21 0
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I mean, the EU can't do "vaccine nationalism" as it has no vaccines having made sure a horlicks of vaccine procurement and approval.
After all, which of the UK and the EU has publicly introduced measures to prevent vaccines moving across borders? Oh yes, that was the EU.
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10/03/2021 11:51:17 12 0
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Then why haven't they got enough?
10/03/2021 12:09:42 10 0
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here we are back with Anglophobic rhetoric, I take it you arent English then ??
10/03/2021 12:10:53 11 0
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Not a very constructive post, Strawcat. Sorry. Ignorant post. In fact just the sort of unhelpful post that hardens attitudes (not needed really).
10/03/2021 12:21:15 7 0
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You're wrong, the vacine was not made in the EU. Problems at AstraZeneca Plc's European production site in January kicked off a six-week push to get a version of its COVID-19 vaccine made at an Indian facility approved by Canada's drug regulator, according to the Canadian pharmaceutical company that filed the application. Vaccine nationalism is an EU speciality, their stopping the shipments not us
10/03/2021 12:24:10 5 0
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The 900 staff joined the MHRA and were able to approve the vaccines for use in the UK before the EMA knew what was happening.
The Pfizer vaccines requires components that are manufactured in the UK, if the UK is not exporting Pfizer are not manufacturing.
The AZ vaccine is being manufactured around the world now, biggest plant I believe is in India, 800 million capacity I believe
10/03/2021 12:29:02 5 0
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Current supplies of Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine used in the UK, as you well know, are made in England and packaged in Wales. Initial doses were made in Europe. It is the Pfizer vaccine that is made in EU. Most, if not all, of the Oxford/AstraZeneca sent out as part of the COVAX scheme is made in India.
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10/03/2021 10:47:30 10 31
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"Dominic Raab has described the suggestion as "completely false""

And we all know the value of a Tory's word.
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10/03/2021 10:53:45 0 1
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Same as yours !
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10/03/2021 10:50:19 99 400
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We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
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10/03/2021 10:53:51 63 10
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Because we have more obesity and more BAME
10/03/2021 12:57:12 0 1
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Stop telling the truth! Not acceptable on BBC sites
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10/03/2021 10:53:54 8 2
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Bild nailed it when they suggested a couple of weeks back that the EU is "throwing **** at the wall to see if anything sticks"
When Donald trump manages to get vaccines ordered before you even begin negotiations a look in the mirror is in order.
Remember the upgrades being done to eu plants being done now where done in the UK and US months ago as the investments went in early.
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10/03/2021 10:44:53 9 42
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So we know vaccines have been exported by the EU; indeed we use them.

Still waiting to hear how many vaccines we’ve exported from the UK...

Or are we “waiting until everyone in the UK has been vaccinated”?
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10/03/2021 10:53:54 0 4
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Excellent comment, Tommy.
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10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
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The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
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10/03/2021 10:53:59 4 1
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Your comment makes no sense with regards to this article.
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10/03/2021 10:58:27 1 5
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Read the article then. There's even a picture showing where Europe is and where the vaccines are made.
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10/03/2021 10:49:22 229 48
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How can any remainer look at the disgraceful way the EU are behaving over this and still think we should be part of this is beyond me.

People who are Pro EU should be ashamed.
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10/03/2021 10:54:03 42 207
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The EU is protecting their member countries, as we knew they would. Now we are a third country we are seeing how the EU deals with people outside the group - just as remain warned. Project Hate always claimed to know better, dismissing warnings as Project Fear and like every other lie they told, it's been exposed. UK used to have a powerful voice in the world as part of the EU, now we are isolated
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10/03/2021 11:04:32 26 6
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I must have missed when the EU gave the UK any 'Voice' over EU matters before Boris our PM's were lap dogs of the unelected Commission i.e. Blair, Brown, Cameron, May, I rest my case.
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10/03/2021 11:21:46 21 8
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Sorry, you're arguing that it's better to remain part of a bullying, xenophobic, protectionism raquet ('people' outside the group) than to leave it and work with other nations as equals, but Vote Leave is project hate?
You need to adjust your moral compass somewhat, the UK will be helping poorer nations, the EU will be leaving them to suffer!
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10/03/2021 11:31:16 2 2
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Middle class word salad
We are no such thing. World leaders in bio sciences. The EU on the other hand is behaving like a spoilt brat. And the whole world can see it. No other country has such a highly centralised system of governance so why does the EU cling to a 1950s model that has long had its day?
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10/03/2021 11:42:35 0 0
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Which is why the EU and Ireland are trying to bully the US to take their side over the ridiculous situation in NI. They know that they would never have agreed to what they have set up within their own borders. Imagine if France and Italy had internal borders with Corsica and Sardinia and Spain with the Balearics
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10/03/2021 11:37:22 3 1
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"The EU is protecting their member countries"

Not very well it would seem! The US (comparable in size and population) has managed to vaccinate over 25% of its population (despite the upheavals of the past year) while the EU has not yet reached 10%.
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10/03/2021 11:45:45 4 1
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Far from the truth. The world can see how incompetent the EU is. I voted remain but am so glad we are out of it.
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10/03/2021 12:20:18 2 1
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So your Remain argument seems to be based on not wanting the EU being nasty and lying about those outside of the union. I don't think I want to be part of that thank you. The truth is they are nasty and lying about one specific nation who had the temerity to leave - again, unedifying and justifying of the decision. The UK now has its own voice; unadulterated by EU influence.
10/03/2021 12:30:30 1 1
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Not protecting their member countries from Covid by any metric.
10/03/2021 12:33:47 2 1
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So what you are saying is that the EU operate like a mafia 'insurance' scheme. Pay up or we burn your house down.

Nice.
10/03/2021 12:43:17 2 2
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The EU is crumbling, and their voice will diminish as ours grows stronger.
10/03/2021 13:23:36 2 0
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I don't want to be in the bully's gang. Picking on the less fortunate.
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10/03/2021 10:54:11 2 2
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Where's all this fish and shellfish that the French are not buying? It's not on a fish counter anywhere near me.
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10/03/2021 10:52:05 7 10
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That's rich coming from a nation with a government based on disgraceful lies.
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10/03/2021 10:54:12 7 16
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It's coming from my post, though, I said it, not the government
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10/03/2021 10:54:15 33 3
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...and the EU say we can't be trusted!!
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10/03/2021 10:44:53 9 42
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So we know vaccines have been exported by the EU; indeed we use them.

Still waiting to hear how many vaccines we’ve exported from the UK...

Or are we “waiting until everyone in the UK has been vaccinated”?
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10/03/2021 10:54:24 1 1
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Just like an airplane oxygen emergency, put your mask on before assisting others. Its is just sensible practice.

We have bought over 400 million doses and I look forward to the UK helping out other nations in a few months time.
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10/03/2021 10:44:43 471 43
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EU, Covid laughing stock, looking to stir up trouble to cover their own disastrous failings....
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10/03/2021 10:54:27 12 35
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Glad you find covid a laughing matter. Says more about you if I'm honest.
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10/03/2021 11:11:33 43 10
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A bit like remainers taking enjoyment in wishing financial hardship upon Brexit voters.
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10/03/2021 11:34:23 12 1
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Take it you are not British.
He said laughing stock which is totally different to laughing about, at or finding Covid a laughing matter.
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10/03/2021 10:54:32 37 2
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If Charles Michel wants to blame anyone for the EU's terrible handling of their vaccine rollout then maybe he starts by looking in the mirror as the answer is closer to home (his) than he thinks
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10/03/2021 10:54:32 42 6
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Ain't we glad we're OUT that club !!
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10/03/2021 10:54:40 21 4
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Yet again the EU is found to be less then truthful, in fact, I would say they are lying as they always do when dealing with GB matters, when are people going to realise that they have no concern for anyone outside the non democratic EU, best thing that happend to our country when we threw off the yoke of an unelected gang of commissioners.
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10/03/2021 10:50:49 5 20
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This has nothing to do with Boris, though
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10/03/2021 10:54:49 4 10
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Brexit has nothing to do with lying Bojo?
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10/03/2021 10:58:27 10 16
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This ain't Brexit , though, did you even read the article?
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10/03/2021 10:54:57 6 12
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There may not be an actual block on exports, but the fact remains that, as of the
25th February, 95% of vaccines made in the EU had been exported whereas close to 0% of UK made vaccines have been exported, so the EU definitely have a point here. Actions speak louder then words.
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10/03/2021 10:58:03 3 2
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There is either a block on exports or there isn't.

Saying no vaccines have been exported does not amount to a ban on exports.
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10/03/2021 10:57:44 1 0
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or maybe its in the detail of the contract? As the UK was sponsoring the vaccination, our ordered quotas should be fulfilled first.
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10/03/2021 10:45:01 748 83
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Like it or not, we are currently in a quasi trade war with the EU. Our Govt is partly to blame but the EU decision to ban shellfish exports, refuse financial equivalence, and over-impose checks on goods is nothing short than punishing us for leaving the EU - don't get me wrong, I voted remain, but it reeks of sour grapes and punishment for leaving.
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10/03/2021 10:55:01 30 6
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We should have been a bit better prepared for countries not playing fair though. We have no control over what the EU does beyond what we can negotiate. Sometimes they will be wrong, sometimes we will be wrong. It will be complicate. But ultimately ordinary people will suffer
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10/03/2021 11:01:39 25 40
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The EU are a rules based organisation. The UK helped set up the rules, so the only reason we are not prepared is that we ignored reading the rules!
It was farage on the CFP when the shellfish rules were created in 2008, so blame him, not the EU!
10/03/2021 12:03:40 1 2
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Yes we do. The WTO can step in to settle trade disputes.
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10/03/2021 10:44:59 600 39
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The EU seem a bit obsessed by the UK and its vaccine success...jilted ex syndrome...maybe they should focus on their own shortcomings like the 'reason for 800k doses of AZ sat in German fridges because of the politics, not science based, attack on its effectiveness.
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10/03/2021 10:55:10 14 34
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Achtung, mind your grammar: "sitting" in German fridges.
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10/03/2021 10:55:13 3 9
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"In January, it introduced a system of controls on exports, requiring manufacturers to seek permission from national governments for planned sales."

Seems reasonable.
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10/03/2021 10:58:24 3 3
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Seems reasonable if you support the idea that the bureaucracy in Brussels can order sovereign states to get permission from it to impose dubiously lawful trading restrictions on companies.
Otherwise it looks rather dictatorial.
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10/03/2021 10:58:55 1 1
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"Seems", to you ??

Everyone else NOT !
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10/03/2021 10:47:33 15 51
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The UK has turned 27 friends into enemies and is now engaged in petty diplomatic posturing. Nationalists falsely claim that the vaccine is a purely British affair. Tory MPs pose in front of Union Jacks whilst the Union falters. Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster.
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10/03/2021 10:55:14 6 2
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Think you need to exit your fantasy world.
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10/03/2021 10:58:58 2 7
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Brexiteers are living in their 1950s fantasy world where everything is made in Britain.
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10/03/2021 10:46:31 436 31
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If the EU spent a fraction of their energy focusing on innovation and getting things done opposed to protectionism and bureaucracy....it might actually work.
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10/03/2021 10:55:26 79 38
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The EU troll themselves, though
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10/03/2021 10:55:27 36 6
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The EU does a very good impression of a rat trapped in a corner, thrashing out at everything without acknowledging it is in the corner by it's own choice.

A big gamble on a French Sanofi Vaccine did not pay off. Well done for pandering to Macron and French hubris.

Come on EU, OWN your problem.
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10/03/2021 11:04:21 0 11
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Irony alert!
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10/03/2021 10:53:02 5 10
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Most here portray the EU as a vicious force erecting barriers between people. How can you say this? The EU is considered a peace project. In communist days the Iron Curtain divided East from West. Normal Central Europeans could not travel abroad or buy Western goods. Letters scanned, telephones tapped (no internet then). Propaganda, censorship. Militarisation. Never again please.
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10/03/2021 10:55:33 1 1
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All those things were already in planning by the EU.
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10/03/2021 10:55:37 9 5
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What a horrible nasty group of incompetent people they are in the EU I have noted their treatment of small developing nations and Islands over the years and it is disgusting. Any other body would have had media attention revealing outride racism, but it didn't happen because papers like the Guardian think the EU is some upper level of social existence & can't be criticised
So pleased the UK is out
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10/03/2021 11:02:19 0 2
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EU say give under developed countries 5% of their vaccines now

UK says they can have our leftovers

Which one is nasty
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We have had more COVID deaths than every single EU country, not sure how else you could quantify "disastrous failings"....
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10/03/2021 10:55:39 42 13
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It could be that France, Italy and Germany have higher weekly Covid deaths which are rising whereas ours a falling, remember the UK is four countries, add the three European countries together I mentioned and their deaths are far higher.
10/03/2021 12:23:27 1 1
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The UK is one country.
10/03/2021 12:48:50 1 1
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UK is not 4 countries, that's what the U means. England, Wales and Scotland are not self governing countries, they do not each have their own national parliaments, armed forces, passports etc. and are not recognised as separate entities by any other country; we don't have 4 or 5 embassies in other countries.
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10/03/2021 10:55:47 5 7
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So if a government minister says it's false, it is? Come on, the government have a proven record of lies, u-turns and cock-ups. I would suggest there is no smoke without fire as far as this government is concerned. Notwithstanding that I do agree that the EU have made a pigs ear of the vaccination process.
10/03/2021 13:11:50 0 0
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Pfizer need components made in the UK for their vaccines, how come Pfizer European manufacturing plants can continue without the UK supply
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10/03/2021 10:45:01 748 83
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Like it or not, we are currently in a quasi trade war with the EU. Our Govt is partly to blame but the EU decision to ban shellfish exports, refuse financial equivalence, and over-impose checks on goods is nothing short than punishing us for leaving the EU - don't get me wrong, I voted remain, but it reeks of sour grapes and punishment for leaving.
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10/03/2021 10:55:53 34 64
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The UK government is only "Partly" to blame? You mean fully.

Shellfish exports is our fault for not understanding how that industry would be fully affected by leaving. Equivalence would imply that we are equally sized entities, we are not. The EU market is far larger than the UK's. Imposing checks on good is a result of us leaving. It isn't "punishment" in the slightest. That was part of the deal
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10/03/2021 10:59:11 60 13
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I don't fully disagree with you but there is a nuance - the EU will go out of their way to prevent trade in anything that isn't written down and by the book. The financial equivalence and shellfish exports are beyond what's imposed on other third parties, the only logic behind each is punishment.
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10/03/2021 11:05:12 21 26
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What the brexit elite insisted we wanted. Not understanding? But the leave elite werent interested in ordinary working people or fishermen. Otherwise someone like Farage would have attended more than 1 meeting of the fisheries committee...
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10/03/2021 11:45:40 5 0
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Shellfish. We need to improve our water quality. If we can get a 'clean' classification then the problem will go away.