Covid-19: Don't think pandemic is over, Whitty warns
09/03/2021 | news | health | 5,342
Unlocking too quickly would lead to a substantial surge in infection, the UK's chief medical adviser says.
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09/03/2021 12:34:31 20 26
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Always the ray of sunshine
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Don’t shoot the messenger if you dislike the message
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09/03/2021 13:08:38 2 1
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...giving us melanoma!
09/03/2021 16:00:24 3 0
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Yes well we don't live in a fairytale fantasy world of rainbows and unicorns and most of us don't require meaningless cheery phrases to make us feel better - give me the hard honest truth anytime.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:34:46 29 52
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He does realise we've got this whole vaccine program going, right?

So much for listening to the science, he just wants us listening to him.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:38:56 15 21
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Oh no, that's clearly upset the controlling brigade who want us to live by their draconian rules forever.

Tough luck, we'll be back to normal very soon!
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09/03/2021 13:13:15 12 2
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You should try listening to the detail that he spoke about, instead of just reading the headline & start making inaccurate statements!??
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09/03/2021 12:34:50 252 104
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We’ve neglected other health problems to focus on Covid so much that a load of effective pandemics now exist for depression, cancer, addictions and more. There are very good reasons we didn’t forcibly shutdown society with pandemics in the past, the only reason we did is because Neil Ferguson admired a police state's way of doing it.
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09/03/2021 13:25:19 90 31
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In fairness to Ferguson Huawei did give ICL a substantial amount of money, it wasn’t just his admiration for China that made him trash the entire western world
09/03/2021 14:25:29 23 5
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The problem is that there is tunnel vision on Covid.Many people are dying and will die from other illnesses going untreated.Mass hysteria whipped up by media droning on about it 24 hrs a day.I have no intention of spending my life indoors in fear.Im more likely to get run over by a bus.Life must go on before we have no jobs or economy left.
kev
09/03/2021 15:59:46 12 1
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Neil Ferguson was the first to ignore his own lockdown when his mistress came knocking
09/03/2021 16:27:54 6 6
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But the hospitals were filling up with covid patients.

You can not just ignore it, once the hospitals are full all other treatment stops anyway.
What would your plan be?
09/03/2021 16:51:10 3 0
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Is it the same ferguson who led Blair's very poor and brutal response to foot and mouth disease?
09/03/2021 16:54:11 4 1
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Taiwan introduced quarantine before they had a single confirmed case. They've efficient testing and tracing & people wear masks. They're an island democracy, pop. 23.5 million & pop.density per sq. mile of 1689. The UK pop. 67.8 mill. & density of 725.
Taiwan: confirmed cases 995, deaths 9. They never needed to lockdown, shops have stayed open & restaurants, economy 5.1% up on a year ago.
09/03/2021 17:09:19 0 5
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How does this explain the lockdowns in every other major nation on Earth?

They were all guided by 1 man from Imperial? You seriously believe that?
09/03/2021 17:29:34 0 1
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What?
09/03/2021 17:58:49 1 0
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These problems have always been major issues, it is just that they have never been so publicised as they have been the past year. This virus happening has simply helped highlight the problems, where as before it was brushed under the carpet by so many who refused to believe so many others suffer MH issues. Its the social attitude of it's not me suffering, so why should I care about anyone else.
09/03/2021 20:28:26 0 0
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Neil Ferguson should have been sacked a long time ago and joined the ranks of the unemployed. He would then see what the real world is like, instead of just thinking of his highly selfish self, his persistent scaremongering and the severe damage he has caused to the UK.
09/03/2021 20:48:57 0 0
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The thing is we DID shut things down for pandemics and even for some epidemics. It is a complete myth that there were not restrictions through various outbreaks of dangerous disease going back to Spanish Flu and likely before.
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09/03/2021 12:35:10 1225 57
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No one is expecting the pandemic to end all of a sudden....However it's reasonable to expect a return to freedom and normality gradually in line with reduced infection, death and hospitalization rates.
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09/03/2021 12:37:09 247 960
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Return to freedom

We never had freedom
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Dee
09/03/2021 12:43:55 68 129
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And with the vaccine rollout over the next few months. If there's a third wave, as Whitty is saying, later in the year, then what's the point of the vaccines.
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09/03/2021 13:02:37 65 9
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I think MANY people expect the pandemic to end all of a sudden...
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xlr
09/03/2021 13:03:15 12 16
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And on the proviso that any spike in deaths will be followed by tighter restrictions again.
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09/03/2021 13:04:32 38 50
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Does nobody realise this isn't about a virus that has a 98.9% survival rate. We are not getting freedom back. For healthy people this virus is no worse than flu. One vulnerable people are vaccined then thete should be no reason to lockdown healthy people.
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09/03/2021 13:04:34 28 8
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Scrolling through this thread you really can see which people are high users of social media, petrified of saying the wrong thing and being 'cancelled'
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09/03/2021 13:09:02 9 11
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Another bleeding obvious comment. This is what the plan is supposed to be about. We have a particularly popularist government who will pander to their voters (as all governments do). If you don't like it lobby your MP (repeatably) and challenge their stance. Of course if you voted for them then you have little to complain about.
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09/03/2021 13:11:07 31 1
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Yes, you're spot on there. That is what Whitty is clearly advocating. It's very frustrating when some people on HYS seem to talk as though the only two options in existence are "lockdown until zero Covid" and "open up everything today". Most people understand that neither of those is realistic.
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09/03/2021 13:21:29 20 13
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"return to freedom" is it? What? Because you have had to wear a mask for a bit and not go to the pub? Oh dear, poor you! Grow a pair.
Your 'return to freedom' is another's death, a 200% increase in risk for a patient of 62 who will be left to die if a 57 year the same ICU bed under the present caseloads.
Wow bravery opening up a HYS..............expect it to be filled with Megan and Harry comments....

Standby, Standby...
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09/03/2021 12:36:42 8 1
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Who?
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You started it!
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Scientists don't want it to end. That's the problem.
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Your evidence for this assertion?
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09/03/2021 12:59:15 3 3
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Yes they do. They have opther things to do.
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09/03/2021 12:59:34 14 4
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What a horrible comment. Science has provided part of the solution with vaccines and allowed us to understand the behaviour of the disease with epidemiolgy. Contrarians are the problem.
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09/03/2021 13:27:03 2 0
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Utter nonsense.
09/03/2021 18:08:21 0 0
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Scientists do want this to end, because they need to get on with finding new ways to stop other viruses occurring and saving lives, that the human race are responsible for creating.
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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09/03/2021 12:38:00 538 218
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with you all the way....!!
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09/03/2021 12:38:41 29 131
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Too late. Unfortunately restrictions are here to stay in one form or other.
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09/03/2021 12:39:18 161 77
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Blimey......who died & put you in charge.....
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09/03/2021 12:40:19 146 124
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I’m s rue the government are quaking in their boots at your non-negotionable demands...

Who the hell do half of you on here think you are...
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09/03/2021 12:42:56 212 70
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It's scary just how many terrified people seem to want restrictions to stay indefinitely.
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09/03/2021 12:44:29 61 25
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It will be a new normal tho.
far more people will be working from home at least part time.
The world will change
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09/03/2021 12:45:50 81 49
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Exactly, enough is enough
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09/03/2021 12:40:24 100 166
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If wearing a mask becomes normal in shops etc...
then so be it

It's not up to people like you or I to decide
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09/03/2021 12:50:14 65 77
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You will be getting what you're given.

You voted the Tories to power, they are the people YOU chose to run your country. If they wish to keep certain restrictions then you have the power to vote in the next GE.
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09/03/2021 12:50:47 48 44
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Er...not your call, sunshine. You're not elected.
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09/03/2021 12:52:56 14 27
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Whole hearted agreement. Well put.
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Aj
09/03/2021 12:57:47 11 17
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100% my friend
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09/03/2021 13:01:31 22 18
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Will not be allowed by WHO? You? Don't make me laugh. If you end up in hospital you will be demanding your own room and treatment team!
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09/03/2021 13:02:53 9 5
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Not quite sure what you mean by normal.
If you mean nipping over to France for a day trip and returning to work the following day, then good luck.
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09/03/2021 13:03:25 16 14
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Who put you in charge then? Outstanding over confidence.
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09/03/2021 13:04:43 10 3
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To be fair I think thats what is being said but we must follow the designated time frame for opening up. Also zero COVID is being ruled out and an acceptable level of deaths will have to be accepted as with other infectious disease. Over to the politicians.
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09/03/2021 12:56:57 15 15
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“This is non-negotiable.”

Careful. You wouldn’t want anyone to think you pompous or self-important

“We have vaccines now.”

They might even work

Let’s wait and see if they do
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09/03/2021 12:57:15 17 16
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"These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'."

Nobody except the conspiracy theorist believers have ever claimed they will be. ??
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09/03/2021 13:06:10 5 15
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They will though, because that's what the sheep want
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09/03/2021 13:10:14 4 3
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I agree with Perseus, also good luck against Medusa.
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09/03/2021 13:11:57 11 15
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Sorry to point this out, but you are not in charge.
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09/03/2021 13:14:28 4 5
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They will until it levels out to numbers like seasonal flu so get used to it.
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09/03/2021 13:15:38 6 10
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We do not yet know whether the vaccines work against all new variants, so hold your horses!
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09/03/2021 12:36:33 92 23
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Surely this is plan - to open in parity with vaccine doses given. The more vaccines delivered, the more we can open.

You can't on the one hand argue that we shouldn't be opening up as it will cause cases to rise while at the same time saying the vaccine is working.
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09/03/2021 12:39:04 60 34
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Not everyone is having the vaccine
I know 2 nhs workers that won't have it
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09/03/2021 12:49:02 19 27
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Thats like saying your car is only half-built and but you want to drive off in it.....

Need to reach the finishing line (80% population vaccinated?) before dropping our guard.
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09/03/2021 18:13:54 5 0
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I agree , I have had my vaccine , have not turned into an alien with 2 heads ....On the other hand lockdown has turned me from an active sociable fit pensioner into a lonely very unfit isolated pensioner with nothing better to do but scroll down comments pages .... Yes I may be alive but I am not living .....
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09/03/2021 12:36:41 141 32
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From the crowd on the train last night, this does not seem.to.be universally recognised
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09/03/2021 13:19:14 105 48
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.....If you were there, it follows that you were part of the crowd and therefore don't "Universally Recognise" it ????? ........... There is a problem there I think.
09/03/2021 14:03:14 10 2
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how dare people take a train !
Wow bravery opening up a HYS..............expect it to be filled with Megan and Harry comments....

Standby, Standby...
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09/03/2021 12:36:42 8 1
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Who?
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09/03/2021 12:43:18 0 2
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My next door neighbours. He's alright. Bit under the thumb. She's always moaning and complaining that nobody likes her. She hasn't figured out yet that it's because she's always moaning and complaining.
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09/03/2021 12:35:10 1225 57
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No one is expecting the pandemic to end all of a sudden....However it's reasonable to expect a return to freedom and normality gradually in line with reduced infection, death and hospitalization rates.
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Return to freedom

We never had freedom
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09/03/2021 12:40:48 41 13
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You'll never take my freedom!
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09/03/2021 12:43:26 98 92
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Well, actually you are right. If you agree with lockdown or not, one thing the pandemic has shown us is how many laws there are that allow the government and Parliament to take away our freedom whenever they want. The idea of even being able to take it away means you are not free any more than your dog is while out for a walk.
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09/03/2021 12:54:46 306 56
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For lack of freedom see:
China
Myanmar
Venezuela
Iran
Syria
And a host of other places.

I'll take UK freedom any day of the week & I'm also happy to wait until those with a great deal more knowledge of the virus & economy deem it safe for the relatively mild restrictions to be lifted.
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09/03/2021 12:57:51 180 46
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Ah go live in China or Iran or North Korea

Then come back and tell us all about freedom
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09/03/2021 12:59:54 157 50
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Go and try living in Syria or China before you spout your drivel.
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09/03/2021 13:07:44 6 3
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Actually that Australian bloke called Wallace who painter his face blue and burned Hexham had freedom. Until he was hung, drawn and quartered obviously.
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09/03/2021 13:15:25 24 3
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We are free relative to many other countries,.The problem is many people don't appreciate the increased personal responsibility that comes with freedom. Politicians rarely mention this because it doesn't win votes.
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09/03/2021 13:25:07 6 2
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Really?
Where would you like to live then?
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09/03/2021 13:34:13 10 3
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If you only commented to display your ignorance then congratulations you have a 100% success rate
09/03/2021 13:41:45 10 9
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Some people had too much, hence the mess we're in!
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09/03/2021 12:35:56 40 51
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Scientists don't want it to end. That's the problem.
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09/03/2021 12:37:24 26 13
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Your evidence for this assertion?
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09/03/2021 12:39:29 6 11
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Read the article.
OwO
09/03/2021 14:10:37 1 3
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This article, for a start. Whitty doesn't seem to understand how vaccines work, or is allowing his mad ideology to blind him.
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09/03/2021 12:37:28 305 87
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Prisoners have more social interaction than I do
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09/03/2021 12:51:57 102 17
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Probably more TV too. It's a restricted life, but steady.
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09/03/2021 13:00:56 18 7
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Aye but that was probably the case before the lockdown for you too
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09/03/2021 13:09:39 8 7
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I highly doubt that.
xlr
09/03/2021 13:39:28 9 0
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You lucky devil. I have to put up with workmates.
09/03/2021 13:41:53 6 6
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Go on say it, say they're holiday camps, go on, you might as well, then I'll tell you to go to one then and see the reality. 3ben ti your point if they have more social intera from you'll be happy to put yourself in prison, money where your mouth is.
09/03/2021 14:03:03 6 7
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Like having to defecate in front of three other prisoners in a tiny cell as they turn their heads and hold their breath?

Nah. Didn’t think so.

Stop your whinging.
09/03/2021 14:00:05 12 2
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Not sure you'd want some of the 'social interaction' that prisoners get. ??
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09/03/2021 14:04:50 4 0
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Yeah and despite expectations prison populations were not wiped out by covid.
09/03/2021 14:09:25 1 1
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Perhaps not the kind you want though?
09/03/2021 15:01:44 0 0
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And get the vaccine early, apparently.
09/03/2021 15:30:07 1 0
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I think you’re right. Look at the governments covid case map broken down into small areas called MSOAs. Most the MSOAs with the very worst outbreaks over the last month were due to outbreaks in prisons. (Try Googling covid +the name of badly effected MSOA and you’ll find a local paper blaming it on a prison outbreak most the time) Far too much interpersonal contact in prisons to keep people safe.
09/03/2021 15:35:26 1 0
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Yep would have been a great year to have been banged up inside!
09/03/2021 15:41:53 1 0
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Why keep voting Tory ?
09/03/2021 17:28:52 2 1
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Well get arrested then if you you think being locked up for 23 hours a day is better than your current situation!
09/03/2021 18:43:53 0 0
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My bin goes out more than I do! :O)
09/03/2021 19:51:59 0 0
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I assume you know having been one?
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09/03/2021 12:37:30 56 39
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What, do you think, are the odds on the great British public right royally screwing this up? Judging by the amount of traffic on the roads at the moment I would say they are evens
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09/03/2021 12:41:09 40 9
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And yet all the covid charts of doom are plummeting! Go figure! ??
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09/03/2021 12:42:02 2 3
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ODDS ON SURELY!
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09/03/2021 12:42:05 9 6
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Why are you on the roads then ?

It's easy to be judgemental of others.
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09/03/2021 12:48:26 11 2
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"Judging by the amount of traffic on the roads at the moment I would say they are evens"

You should try reading the rules. People are traveling to work.
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09/03/2021 12:50:56 2 1
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Cue Richie and Eddie (Bottom): British catastrophes - best in the world.
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LBW
09/03/2021 13:13:51 2 15
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You idiot it's the government changing who is aloud to go to work which is making the roads busier, tory fool
09/03/2021 13:47:41 7 3
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Here's a suggestion, why not stay hidden in your house if you want to and realise that some people value their jobs, exercise and health Benefits from being outdoors. This whole pandemic has created more hyacinth bucket's than we have ever seen before
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09/03/2021 12:37:44 82 12
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"30,000 deaths by the summer of 2020." Surely this is a typo.
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09/03/2021 12:41:55 58 39
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Weve had well over 100,000 deaths so far so I don’t find this strange, however, the modelling is based on data from a time without a vaccine so the model could be off and as such should be taken with a grain of salt
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09/03/2021 12:51:16 6 30
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30 000 more on top of the 120 000 already. Is it OK to kill 30 000 people just so we can go to the pub sooner?
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09/03/2021 13:00:52 16 1
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The summer of 2020 was last year, we’re now looking forward to the summer of 2021!
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09/03/2021 13:05:59 1 7
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30K more deaths.
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09/03/2021 13:25:21 4 1
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Article may have been updated since your comment, it now reads:

"Modelling has suggested even with a gradual lifting of restrictions there could be 30,000 deaths by the summer of 2022."
09/03/2021 13:54:17 6 0
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It's from SAGE modelling. The 30,000 figure is their most optimistic number of death, they say in their paper that 81,000 is their most pessimistic.
However these figures are based on 60% efficacy being the most optimistic and were modelled in Jan/Feb.
09/03/2021 15:29:10 0 0
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If only it hadn't been.
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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with you all the way....!!
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09/03/2021 12:38:10 44 32
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He's probably right...and we will have more outbreaks etc. until everyone has been vaccinated.
However; We cant carry on like this & have to get back to normal & be more aware.

Cynically; I do have the suspicion that a lot of "advisors" have done very well (financially) out of this pandemic and can see their money making careers coming to an end ! - Hence why they dont want it to all end!
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09/03/2021 12:49:52 34 3
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Senior medical professonal are well paid, so I doubt he needs the money. I also doubt that's his motovation. I suspect he is a good guy.
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09/03/2021 12:38:10 274 45
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So the vaccines are rolling out, not everyone will be vaccinated by September... so there could be a rise in cases in July and August... kids back in school, society getting back to normal. Seems pretty obvious really that there might be? Scaremongering? Or just stating the obvious!?!
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09/03/2021 12:40:03 168 388
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With most people vaccinated by September, the virus will have a greatly reduced number of vectors through which to transmit. This isn't stating the obvious, it's Whitty getting scared he won't have much TV time anymore.
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09/03/2021 12:43:40 23 3
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All adults who want to be vaccinated and can be will be vaccinated long before September. A rise in cases in summer is extremely unlikely, considering like almost all respiratory viruses covid spreads more in winter and the vaccination take-up is very high.
It's much more likely if there was a resurgence it would be next winter, though it's not likely to be anything like this winter.
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09/03/2021 12:44:16 22 15
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A rise in cases means very little. There is normally a rise in cases of flu every winter but we don't lock the country down.

Either you agree the vaccine works or you just don't want lockdown to end.
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All schools should vaccinate
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09/03/2021 13:25:54 1 2
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scaremongering
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09/03/2021 13:32:54 2 0
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Yes there could be a rise in cases. But ffs, compared to where we have been, and by the time they rise most people will have been vaccinated? That should mean there won't be a surge in hospitalisations and deaths.

To say a surge in cases by that time is a concern will mostly be like saying a surge in cold cases is a concern.
09/03/2021 13:39:17 2 3
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Coronoviruses don't live after April, stop worrying about July and August. And I have been a virologist for 42 years! They are seasonal and are on their holidays after Easter.
09/03/2021 14:18:23 1 1
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The ongoing problem will be if we allow unvaccinated people to go abroad and bring back the virus.

It will never be possible to vaccinate the entire world.
09/03/2021 15:20:11 0 0
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The young and the healthy are barely affected by this virus - so with the most vulnerable vaccinated why would we not want to stop this extremely harmful lockdown? There is a point where lockdown kills more than it saves.
09/03/2021 15:26:28 0 0
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Look at the stats of who has died. The vast majority of the age groups badly effected have already been vaccinated at least once. Some are getting second vacs now.
09/03/2021 17:13:01 0 0
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No problem with mild cases. Deaths and hospitalisation are key.
09/03/2021 17:20:51 0 0
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Most of the people who will not have been vaccinated will be those who have chosen not to protect themselves (and the rest of society). Some may not be able to have a jab for medical reasons - they will be put at risk by the actions (or perhaps I should say inaction) of others.
09/03/2021 18:06:37 0 0
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There will be no rise in cases in July and August unless we get winter conditions, it is a seasonal virus and we have the data from last summer where from June until mid-September mortality was below average. No beach party resulted in a spike of infection or deaths, no BLM protest either. Science is rational, Scientists in SAGE, Imperial and Covid Cult posters on HYS are not.
09/03/2021 19:04:30 0 0
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Stating the obvious for all those who want to 'escape' lockdown now or in good time
09/03/2021 19:36:41 0 0
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If they've vaccinated 20m already then why won't everybody get the jab by september?
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09/03/2021 12:38:12 228 125
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Does seem strange with every bit of good news ie vaccine, deaths falling, the scientists bring out a huge red flag ??. Control maybe, who knows just strange to me!!
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09/03/2021 12:43:19 201 141
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Control and fear. They’re seeing people deciding themselves to ignore rules so stoke the fires once more to keep them in. I don’t know why they want to ruin this country because that’s exactly what continued lockdown will do. Then there won’t be an NHS for anyone.
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09/03/2021 12:46:49 38 15
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100% its narrative control - if the numbers keep going south more and more people will just say 'near enough is good enough' and the LD will end, so after another good few days of every measure falling and people seeing kids go back they wind out the brothers grim to try and halt the people making their own decisions - its written like a script.....
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09/03/2021 12:46:50 35 19
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It's their once in a lifetime chance to conduct a live experiment with the entire population as guinea pigs.

Why would they want it to end?
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09/03/2021 12:50:35 24 9
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You should look at the rate of fall of cases/deaths in Portugal comapred to the UK. Very similar outcomes, yet one country has vaccinated a far far larger proportion. Is it vaccines that have caused the decrease, is it lockdown, or is it just a natural progression of the disease? Nobody quite knows.
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09/03/2021 12:51:30 30 33
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Because they know full well that if you give the numpties and deniers an inch they'll take a mile. Those least happy with so called lockdowns are those most likely to cause them to be continued.
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09/03/2021 12:51:48 7 11
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Perhaps you're paranoid.
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09/03/2021 12:57:05 30 3
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There'll be an announcement about a new variant at each key milestone - that has been the routine pretty much so far.
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09/03/2021 13:08:49 12 18
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His job is to report the scientific findings and issue advice. What would you rather, he makes it up as he goes along? Science does not work that way.
09/03/2021 14:56:59 0 5
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So virus adapt and change format, vaccines become ineffective and dumb people continue to do dumb things . Only strange if you are clueless.
09/03/2021 15:04:55 5 1
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Good for you! Someone's got the message...it's all about control. SAGE, Big Pharma, Bill Gates and the government, more need to do their research in this. It will all become apparent. The Great Reset is underway.
09/03/2021 15:40:11 5 0
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Exactly. They are worrying we're becoming complacent. Chris Witty is definitely a glass half-empty type
09/03/2021 17:11:56 1 0
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I think the scientists involved do tend to be absolutists, and they are working for politicians with little or no scientific education; they're terrified of taking the blame for anything and don't know enough to realise when the 'Science' isn't very scientific.
09/03/2021 17:29:10 0 1
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Not strange at all, the virus is still here and will strike if we let our guard down, vaccine only reduces deaths and hospitalizations, you can still catch it and and still pass it on. How long those that are vaccinated will be protected for will be the next big question, without that data, planning when to give the annual covid vaccine.
09/03/2021 18:25:35 0 0
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There has to be caution in unknown territory....unless you think you know better than trained scientific officers & medical professors!! Despite doctors & scientists learning more each day about this virus, there is still a great deal unknown about it.
09/03/2021 19:46:52 0 0
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It has always been about control - a social experiment. Next time they release another virus it will probably kill animals as well. Open Pandora’s box to get Control
09/03/2021 20:50:14 0 0
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No, just reality. That we have to be CAREFUL and not go crazy or we will end up back in a state of disaster
09/03/2021 20:57:16 0 0
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It's not control scientists are cautious not some nutjob you find in James Bond movies
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09/03/2021 12:38:20 755 441
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Why do these ‘expert’ keep spouting doom and gloom. The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter. So in other words they don’t know. The pandemic is coming to an end due to the vaccine. Lockdown is ending whether they like it or not. People have had enough of this now and want to return to normal life. If people are so scared then stay in forever.
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09/03/2021 12:40:10 262 192
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Couldn't agree more!!!
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09/03/2021 12:40:44 79 65
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So you know better than the "experts". Perhaps they spout doom and gloom because that is where the science takes them. Alternatively you believe that all experts are lefties trying to bring the country down.
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09/03/2021 12:41:32 38 29
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Exactly. Have the models even considered that nearly all vulnerable have been vaccinated?
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09/03/2021 12:47:11 32 22
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The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter. So in other words they don’t know.
Realistically we could have another 20 million people vaccinated by then giving us about 80 % of the population done so give us a break Professor Doom.
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09/03/2021 12:47:20 69 21
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He's not spouting doom or gloom, he is just telling it as it is and trust me I hate hearing it as well but somebody needs to be frank. Besides, he isn't proposing eternal lockdowns, he's just saying what will realistically happen but leaving the decision making to the Government.
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09/03/2021 12:48:49 61 24
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It's not 'doom and gloom', it's reality in an attempt (probably doomed) to stop the numpties from ruining the good but hard fought progress. Have you got your hand up?
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09/03/2021 12:49:04 46 6
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You are mixing reality and expert advise with doom and gloom
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09/03/2021 12:50:42 24 4
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As Roy Keane says

"That's his job"
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09/03/2021 12:51:11 20 67
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They spout doom to justify the cost the taxpayers bear for their services, doom and doom frighten the population. I would like to see SAGE (Senseless Advisory Group of extras) pensioned off, frankly we need to move on. Furlough does not pay mortgages.
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09/03/2021 12:53:55 2 5
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I completely agree.
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09/03/2021 12:56:18 13 7
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Poor Andy is struggling with the reality of it all.

"If people are so scared then stay in forever"?

It's a government Lockdown, not by the people. Do you understand this?
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09/03/2021 12:57:13 7 6
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cases in the uk are dropping and our vaccine programme is great but worldwide this is still not the case. The UK may be coming out of this but it will be some time still before we get total normality back and then that new normality is going to different to what we had pre covid and even though they say there wont be any restrictions will still exist one way or another
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09/03/2021 13:00:11 17 7
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So what is your background to refute these models, have you got data of your own?

All you are showing is your own ignorance
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09/03/2021 13:03:28 8 2
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It's only "coming to an end" in the UK. Everywhere else on the planet still has live cases so get ready to be locked down in your own country!
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09/03/2021 13:04:19 10 7
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Because they know a LOT more than any HYS armchair "expert".
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09/03/2021 13:14:40 7 6
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He is an epidemiologist, they only tend think worst case scenario
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09/03/2021 13:16:49 14 8
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Maybe it is because they're experts in their field? Just a wild stab in the dark there.

I'd far rather listen to Chris Whitty who knows a thing or two about science etc. than listen to BoJo the Clown who has bluffed and blundered his way through the last year.
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09/03/2021 13:17:23 2 6
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Most pandemics have a third wave - historical fact.
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09/03/2021 13:18:02 1 3
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They have half an eye on what is happening right now in Central Europe, where cases are now raising again. Have to remember this is a global pandemic, it won't come to complete end for us until others.

UK is fast, but 3 months on we are not quite half way through adults. Other countries need to get a move on with vaccine rollout particularly our neighbours in the EU...
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09/03/2021 13:22:17 3 3
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"The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter"

The models showed that a major global viral pandemic was statistically inevitable and we were due one. It's clear that we've been really seriously under-prepared for this.
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09/03/2021 13:28:45 8 4
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You have a very short memory. These same experts awarded of a winter surge and that it might be worse than the first. We ignored them and have paid the price. We must not make the same mistake again.
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09/03/2021 13:29:38 5 4
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They are experts Because they know what they're talking by virtue of their education, training and experience. Which is presumably why you're not an expert in anything other than making vacuous comments on here.
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09/03/2021 13:37:24 2 3
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What would you consider an expert? Is it someone that agrees with you? Bet it is.
09/03/2021 13:39:22 3 0
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It's not a bravery competition
09/03/2021 13:44:22 4 1
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Experts are "spouting down and gloom" because if they are too upbeat Boris will think it is overt and only cock it up again, which is why we have had a 12 month rolling lock-down!!
09/03/2021 13:44:57 2 0
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Why attack the experts who are giving the best advice possible to our politicians. When they say that lockdown is no longer necessary then it will be over and not before.
09/03/2021 13:45:30 2 1
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Perhaps because they are 'experts' - there is more complexity in life than is acknowledged on HYS. Vaccines will protect us if we manage to get enough people vaccinated before mutations that can undo all our hard work. We are also supposing that young people can be persuaded to have the vaccine 'for the common good'. 90% vaccine efficacy means 10% people require protection from herd immunity
09/03/2021 13:49:13 1 1
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Doom and gloom is what keeps the public in line. If they just called it house arrest and restriction of human rights, it would be anarchy.
09/03/2021 13:50:24 1 0
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Have you considered the possibility , albeit highly inlikely , that experts like Whitty just might know a tad more than you about this pandemic .
09/03/2021 13:54:42 2 0
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This "expert" is the Chief Scientific Officer in the country. One of the most qualified and experienced scientists in a country of 68 million people. But you know more? Of course you do. You've heard about vaccines and you think that you understand them. I suspect you know the square of zero.
09/03/2021 14:18:05 1 1
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Experts always project doom and gloom.They are not concerned with people losing their businesses and jobs.Mental health problems are now off the scale and life must resume as quickly as possible.We know the virus will not disappear and we must live with it.People are dying from so many other causes but it seems to me if its not covid,well then its not that important.Many ops have been cancelled
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09/03/2021 14:22:07 0 0
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Ah so you are more of an "expert" then Andy? I doubt that somehow. Your implication that these "experts" WANT to keep lockdown going is dangerous and wrong. Your comments are sadly typical of a certain group within society which seeks to undermine our confidence in science and evidence based advice. Thanks to "experts" we are headed toward the beginning of the end but we are not there yet.
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09/03/2021 12:36:30 1591 555
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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09/03/2021 12:38:41 29 131
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Too late. Unfortunately restrictions are here to stay in one form or other.
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09/03/2021 13:07:56 10 7
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I fear you may be right. Now a precedent has been set, I can see people calling for lockdowns every single winter when inevitably disease, hospitalisation and sadly deaths always increase as does pressure on the NHS.
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09/03/2021 12:38:45 103 59
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For goodness sake we've not even started unlocking yet and we're already with the doom and gloom. Time to throw everyone a bone!
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09/03/2021 13:11:21 50 62
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We unlocked for Christmas and look what happened :(
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09/03/2021 12:38:56 10 5
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" Modelling has suggested even with a gradual lifting of restrictions there could be 30,000 deaths by the summer of 2020. ". Erm 2020 was last year? What do you mean?
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09/03/2021 12:50:42 3 3
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journolist cut and paste from last year
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09/03/2021 13:14:05 1 2
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1)That will cause a red face somewhere I'm sure. I hope that we wasn't suggesting another 30,000 dead by this summer...although horrifyingly enough, more people have died since January the 1st this year (2 months) than died in the first 7 months of Covid last year, despite an increasing percentage of the population being vaccinated. Perhaps this shows how much more dangerous the B117 variant is.
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09/03/2021 13:16:13 1 1
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2) Or perhaps it's just Winter. However in the early stages of the virus late Winter/Sprint last year we weren't as careful (as a nation) as we were last Autumn/Winter and yet the number of cases is considerably more since the B117 variant rose to dominance.
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09/03/2021 12:34:46 29 52
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He does realise we've got this whole vaccine program going, right?

So much for listening to the science, he just wants us listening to him.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:38:56 15 21
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Oh no, that's clearly upset the controlling brigade who want us to live by their draconian rules forever.

Tough luck, we'll be back to normal very soon!
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09/03/2021 13:11:38 8 3
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Why????? There is no advantage to anyone including government to prolong forever. Get over this so called conspiracy and lobby your MP
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09/03/2021 12:39:05 8 11
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Witty is only upset that some minor Royals are hogging the headlines!
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09/03/2021 12:45:54 8 4
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Very thick minor royals!
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09/03/2021 13:14:46 1 1
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I think many of us are upset that 'said Royals' are hogging the headlines, there's a lot more important matters occurring in the world than them............?
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09/03/2021 12:39:12 582 26
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We need to work on improving hospital capacity and staff numbers to ensure better winter resilience if Covid and flu will cause more problems in future.

There were problems with resourcing and capacity every winter, and as more people approach life expectancy (by virtue of there being more people overall), demand is only going in one direction.
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09/03/2021 12:44:40 569 424
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.... and a 1% "payrise" (that is a pay cut when inflation is factored in) isn't the way to motivate and retain existing staff members, much less recruit more.
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09/03/2021 12:48:14 92 27
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We cannot afford to operate a taxpayer funded health service on that scale. If we did, we would have to cut back on other public expenditure. Prevention is always better than cure so the focus has to be on keeping people out of hospital in the first place.
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09/03/2021 12:52:12 19 30
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Thank you! Why aren't we unlocking but making an insurance plan that involves keeping nightingale hospitals open for COVID patients (to keep them out of hospitals for routine care) and allocating staff (e.g. training junior doctors, medical students, retired doctors) to these places if we need them. The lack of foresight is costing us our freedom.
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09/03/2021 12:57:14 62 6
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That is such a sensible comment they will never think of it. Every autumn we have the same warnings about the NHS being under pressure over the winter. DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT THEN!!
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09/03/2021 13:03:29 51 42
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Indeed. A Covid levy on air travel (that’s the reason we are bankrupt and 125k dead) to fund contingency capacity in the NHS and PPE stock piles etc.

20% on every flight ticket.
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09/03/2021 13:35:15 0 9
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Covid won't be the next 'pandemic' - we have been promised another one soon. But it won't be Covid, more likely HIV or Smallpox, isn't that what they keep warning us about.!
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09/03/2021 13:37:09 8 1
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Staff number is biggest factor. Nightingale's increased capacity but were largely unused because there was simply not enough trained staff.
09/03/2021 13:50:18 6 2
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There’s 1.5M NHS staff which costs £130bn a year - where is the money going?
09/03/2021 13:57:05 4 2
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Come on, now, you can't go around applying 'good sense' to this issue.....that would be a first!!
09/03/2021 14:05:51 3 0
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Flu ?! Lost me there , what's that ?
09/03/2021 14:07:11 5 5
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We have the worst ICU capacity in Europe. About half the French and German levels. If we were better equipped we would not have needed all theses Nightingale hospitals. Except the Tories are in charge and they hate the NHS.
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09/03/2021 12:39:12 221 71
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Any science experiment will manage the variables by incrementally increasing the degrees of freedom. This approach is necessary for us to understand the effectiveness of the limitations we have endured.
Its uncomfortable, but scientifically the right approach.
Factor in economics, and the approach is rightly challenged. Whitty is doing HIS job.
09/03/2021 13:43:25 84 45
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This rational, thinking approach is either not understood, or is rejected by those who respond to everything with an emotional rush of blood.

Which is one of the things that gets us into messes like the climate crisis, a problem soluble only with rational thinking.

We say we have learnt from the pandemic, but at the same time we hasten into plane travel again and feed more meat to cats and dogs.
09/03/2021 13:55:04 11 1
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You'd think, but masks were bought in when infection rates were virtually nil following JVT advising last May they added nothing.
09/03/2021 13:58:06 7 6
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The economy is not a light switch that can be Flicked on and off, next year when a loaf of bread costs £74, due to this insane level government Banana-republic money printing, people will get a severe dose of reality
09/03/2021 13:59:03 8 6
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Agree with following data. So far data ca 50% better than the models presented to SAGE, this is ignored so that they can keep us lab rats in isolation as long as possible
09/03/2021 15:00:07 1 12
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Add to that the fact that they're all getting paid vast amounts from Big Pharma companies and Bill Gates for vaccines. Whitty is scaremongering!
09/03/2021 16:55:44 0 1
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Incrementally increasing the degrees of Freedom could give the virus more chance to mutate if it continues to be spread at a reduced rate through non compliance compared to letting it rip with a fully vaccinated population.
09/03/2021 18:05:20 0 0
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HIS job is to advise ministers; it is then the government’s job to interpret that along with that of other relevant specialists. He should never been put up as a spokesman. More and more countries seem to be run by hopeless politicians: we have a PM who is still at the level of the overconfident schoolboy who thinks a bit of Greek and Latin is all that it takes.
09/03/2021 18:09:39 0 0
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It is a corona virus, we already know how they behave, we also have a year's worth of data, though mortality for one is fiddled to increase the count ('with' included with 'of') The NHS was virtually closed for a year to anything but Covid -IF that doesn't result in excess deaths what need for the NHS? Last summer we had lower than average mortality despite the Cultists whinging about beach fests
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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09/03/2021 12:39:18 161 77
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Blimey......who died & put you in charge.....
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09/03/2021 13:10:15 14 4
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The original poster is exercising their right to free speech and defending their freedom and liberty. The only thing you need to be "in charge" of in order to do that is your own mind!
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09/03/2021 12:39:20 456 94
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What, we have to live with Covid just like we do with Flu? Quelle surprise!
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09/03/2021 12:52:04 457 387
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125,000 dead. It is not flu as we know it
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09/03/2021 13:00:23 17 7
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Yes context is everything. The ONS says there were over 50,000 excess deaths just in the winter of 2017/18, due to flu and cold weather. A global pandemic is exceptional and we need good border controls. While the UK is going in the right direction France and Italy are showing an increased incidence of Covid, with Italy now exceeding 100,000 deaths.
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09/03/2021 13:11:55 3 1
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flu is down covid is high
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09/03/2021 12:39:24 175 131
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Oh, please Whitty. Stop it. We have had enough of scaremongering . A bit of optimism please. Same from BBC. It's Spring time. It's lovely out there. Enjoy life. Carpe Diem as much as you can . Seize the day. The " Memento mori "can wait.
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09/03/2021 12:41:40 94 80
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He is following the science.
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09/03/2021 12:51:07 30 15
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Just because you don't like what he says doesn't make it scaremongering. I don't like hearing it either but he's saying what could realistically happen. Besides he admits anyway that the choice between this virus and societal freedoms will come down to people/Government. He's only doing his job by telling you the outcomes of choices.
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09/03/2021 12:53:45 25 9
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Ok, here's a bit of optimism. The vaccines already deployed have eradicated the virus and you are not at risk of dying any more and all restrictions can be lfted. However, this is not the truth. Would you rather have optimism or the truth?.
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09/03/2021 12:55:03 13 8
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I wish people would engage their brain before blaming him. Its the typical scenario as always, somehow everyone is forgetting the politicians call the shots. The experts only present the data, taking into account worst / best and expected risks.
Also dont forget its the media which is cherry picking these statements and presenting them.
He may have said all will be ok if we continue as hoped...
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09/03/2021 13:09:03 16 3
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Fools rush in where Angels fear to tread. Maybe now it should read "The ignorant rush in where the learned fear to tread." Or perhaps to quote Russell, "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
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09/03/2021 13:12:13 9 9
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It's only "scaremongering" to precious types & those who put their "fun" above the lives of others.
09/03/2021 13:42:50 4 2
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You can throw your tantrums as much as you want. Makes no difference to the science.
09/03/2021 14:10:55 2 1
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Who is he “scaring”?
This should be interesting assuming you can answer.
09/03/2021 14:15:07 2 1
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Unfortunately, most of what he's said over the last year or so has come true. :-( . But still with you on the positive vibes. We need that.
09/03/2021 14:49:46 0 0
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Well said!
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09/03/2021 12:39:26 116 82
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Enough is enough. The vast majority who can die and are hospitalised have been vaccinated. These dystopian restrictions and rule-by-diktat needs to stop. These scientists are so far removed from the real world and have a very narrow focus.
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09/03/2021 12:42:39 34 34
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Scientists not in the real world. They study the real world.
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09/03/2021 12:46:19 6 11
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Senseless advisory group of extras living the good life funded by taxpayer not living in the real world. Some of us who have been furloughed need to get back to normality. Furlough does not pay the mortgage neither does any lockdown.
Maybe the narrow focus of scientists helped them produce vaccines? Which I think in your comment you are suggesting has been the game changer.
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09/03/2021 12:50:08 7 8
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one third of population is HALF vaccinated. Good progress if the numpties can be constrained for a little while longer.
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09/03/2021 12:51:04 3 6
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The same 'experts' who tried to tell us early last year that face masks were not effective!!
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09/03/2021 12:51:35 4 7
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The fools in government and their cheerleaders are the ones removed from reality who have contributed directly to the huge number of deaths compared with other western countries. Scientists developing the vaccine and the NHS rolling it out have contributed to the solution. What have you done?
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09/03/2021 12:56:21 3 4
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Every can die if they contract covid. The majority of people who can die have not been vaccinated.
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09/03/2021 12:57:00 6 7
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1) The biggest danger now is that we spread the virus and get a new mutant strain which is able to bypass the vaccine, putting us back 7-9 months, with lockdowns. If you think that that is a risk worth taking then it is a good job that you aren't in charge. If the B117 variant has taught us one think it is to be cautious until the majority are vaccinated, to reduce the chance of a new strain.
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09/03/2021 12:58:16 4 5
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2) I certainly do not want to end up back in lockdown due to a new variant, because someone couldn't hold their nerve for a short while longer. Remember the B117 variant evolved at the end of the summer in the lowest period of transmission and death last year. I am looking forward to enjoying a lockdown free summer this year which we will get if no one does anything rash.
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09/03/2021 13:03:34 1 1
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It is not the job of scientists to create legislation regarding restrictions, for that is the job of the cabinet. Scientists feed back their findings to the government, who ultimately produce the guidance. If what you are saying, is the case? How come other countries are in a much better situation than the one we find ourselves in. Give credit where credit is due.
09/03/2021 13:51:24 1 1
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Correct! Who are these members of society who are all suddenly going to get infected, hospitalised and die other than those vulnerable groups who have refused to be vaccinated.
I can't believe Whitty is mentioning them as a reason to keep us in lockdown??
If you refuse the vaccine then tough, live with the possible consequences and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
09/03/2021 15:16:43 0 0
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These scientists are all on six figure salaries with gold plated pensions and civil service jobs for life. Many seem to own hundreds of thousands of £ in shared in the biotech industry as well (e.g. Valance who has nearly £1M in astro zenica, having sold £6M of shares in them a couple of years ago.
09/03/2021 15:58:33 0 0
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"Who are these members of society who are all suddenly going to get infected, hospitalised and die other than those vulnerable groups who have refused to be vaccinated."

Everyone over the age of 50 who hasn't been vaccinated yet? All the group 6 people with underlying conditions who havent been vaccinated yet?? I don't get my second jab until mid June. Bit of a wait yet.
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09/03/2021 12:37:24 26 13
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Your evidence for this assertion?
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09/03/2021 12:39:29 6 11
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Read the article.
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09/03/2021 13:03:46 4 1
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No where does anyone say they don't want it to end.!
The statements are all factually true (apart from his 30000 which seems to have been lifted from Witty's statements last year. Witty's job is to advise on potential outcomes from the modelling (most of which are stating the bleeding obvious to anyone with a modicom of intelligence). The virus will not go away so he will still have a job.
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09/03/2021 12:39:39 11 18
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I see the truth is starting to come out about Sunak, seems he was responsible for dithering and delay for the second wave and the thousands more avoidable deaths.
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09/03/2021 12:45:03 3 2
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Weak words without providing evidence, anyone can just spout out unsubstantiated rubbish!!!
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09/03/2021 12:39:44 120 63
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“They think it’s all over - it is now”

If we keep on listening to these two, life, economy and enjoyment sure is.
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09/03/2021 12:43:00 67 22
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Grim and Grimmer!
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09/03/2021 12:55:39 8 17
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It was for my mother, who we buried yesterday after contracting covid. Which member of your family will you sacrifice in order for restrictions to be lifted?
09/03/2021 13:46:58 6 8
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Yes, let's disregard the qualified experts because we don't like the idea of bad things.
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09/03/2021 12:39:49 15 18
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Witty hangs on to his power and influence at all costs. Vulnerable people isolate and install an air lock and let the rest of us live our lives.
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09/03/2021 12:48:21 2 3
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Says the person ignorant of long covid, which doesn't respect the same boundaries between what we define as vulnerable and what we don't.
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09/03/2021 12:39:49 10 10
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For the swivel eyed screaming it’s flu and asking where the flu deaths are, bbc have mentioned them above.
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09/03/2021 13:00:12 3 1
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Yes, included in the 2019-2020 column. But this only includes flu deaths upto March 2020, because if you look at the PHE data, it pretty much disappears after that, culminating in the ridiculous assertion that there were 0 cases (let alone deaths) in this country from around mid-January 2021.
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09/03/2021 13:09:14 0 3
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For the completely illiterate, ITS NOT FLU. Simply similar symptoms.
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09/03/2021 12:39:52 4 8
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Can someone tell this to the over 80s!
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09/03/2021 12:40:01 38 31
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Yes the modelling has been great so far.... (sarcasm).
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09/03/2021 12:48:29 30 10
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Could you have modelled the data any better, if so step forward and publish your modelling data.
270
09/03/2021 12:53:59 2 2
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It actually has been pretty good!
273
09/03/2021 12:54:09 3 4
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Sarcastic and wrong
Models pretty good . If we hadn't had lockdown death toll would of been even higher
519
09/03/2021 13:08:03 1 3
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If the government had followed the science, rather than just claiming to..... /snark
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09/03/2021 12:38:10 274 45
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So the vaccines are rolling out, not everyone will be vaccinated by September... so there could be a rise in cases in July and August... kids back in school, society getting back to normal. Seems pretty obvious really that there might be? Scaremongering? Or just stating the obvious!?!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:40:03 168 388
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With most people vaccinated by September, the virus will have a greatly reduced number of vectors through which to transmit. This isn't stating the obvious, it's Whitty getting scared he won't have much TV time anymore.
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09/03/2021 12:50:51 7 4
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Or its saying that there may be a few more cases in time, but less hopsitalising because of the vaccines so its much ado about nothing?!?!?
259
09/03/2021 12:53:28 3 10
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Yeah, yeah, yeah! Fully paid up member of the 'they're out to get me' club!
279
09/03/2021 12:54:53 23 11
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What are your credentials for disagreeing with Whitty? Solving the COVID pandemic has been lead by scientists, not by people like yourself.
473
09/03/2021 13:05:09 13 5
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Not two doses they won't. That will run on into October. First dose in July for many . Second dose October plus 15 days for it to work. Back into winter.
09/03/2021 13:38:12 5 4
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You are missing the word CURRENT.

"With most people vaccinated against the current strains by September, the current virus will have a greatly reduced number of vectors through which to transmit"

Fixed it for you...

Once everyone jets off on their well earned holiday and brings all sorts of mutations back, everything resets. What you think you know today won't be true by August.
09/03/2021 14:38:12 0 0
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Just follow Whittysadvice. He knows best. You obviously don't take it seriously or you wouldn't be sarcastic about Whitty being scared of losing his TV time
09/03/2021 14:51:48 0 2
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Wrong! Whitty is there to scare the population and too many are swallowing it...
09/03/2021 15:00:17 0 0
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Perhaps he will write a book and call it an Idiots guide for the fools who make stupid comments
09/03/2021 15:03:56 2 1
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Easy to mock Professor Whitty, who is I recall is a practicing medic who used his TV downtime over the Christmas holidays to work on the wards. I expect he will be more than grateful to be able to give up his TV career and return to more front line NHS consultancy UCLH as well as his 'regular' government advisory roles when he has helped steer us out of this.
09/03/2021 15:19:54 1 0
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Another stupid, ill-informed comment.
09/03/2021 15:22:31 3 0
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I see the far right Tory Bots are out telling us that OUR opinion should be that lockdown should finish now.

That isn't the general British public opinion. Most people do not want to be in and out of lockdown.

So let's do the sensible thing and wait until the scientists/experts say it's right to do so.
09/03/2021 16:21:34 0 0
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I seriously doubt many of these experts are enjoying the limelight.
And they will all hope their worst case scenarios do not come to pass. It would be remiss of them not to point out the dangers though.
09/03/2021 16:41:21 0 0
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Rubbish, the man talks sense just like chief scientific officer, all that they have said since last March has come to pass, forget the populist government, listen to the people who have spent their lives working in those specific fields. They talk without waffle unlike Johnson and co, the best we can hope for is modified vaccines administered annually to keep us ahead of the curve.
09/03/2021 17:00:40 0 0
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15 minutes of fame..
09/03/2021 17:35:19 0 0
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unless it mutates to a point where the vaccines are ineffective.
09/03/2021 18:15:47 0 0
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What a horrible thing to say your ignorant fool
09/03/2021 19:44:23 0 0
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Dead right it’s about time he was pensioned off
09/03/2021 20:00:14 0 0
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Tell me how long immunity lasts. Has anyone got an answer
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09/03/2021 12:40:05 17 17
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Strange that there has been no coverage of Vietnam in recent months; population 95 million, just a few pandemic deaths, life back to normal. The UK should learn from these other countries, not carry on with failed policies.
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VoR
09/03/2021 12:47:23 8 3
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Some of the learning will be of limited benefit because it is so late. Vietnam cut off incoming virus early and got effective test and trace in place early. We did neither and now that it is in our communities, even a good test and trace can't be that effective until the case count is way down.
276
09/03/2021 12:54:24 0 1
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Sack Boris and invite politicians who actually know what they're doing
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Pip
09/03/2021 13:09:55 1 1
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A pound to a pinch, the Vietnamese have no idea how many people have actually died, 'within 28 days of having a positive Covid test'.................?
925
09/03/2021 13:21:24 0 0
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Ah yes; magical numbers coming from unelected dictatorships...

What should we learn:
Repression?
Falsification?
REAL lockdown?
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09/03/2021 12:40:06 12 13
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I fear he may be right. I hope this is the last lockdown and we get back to a much more normal way of living and at the same time control the virus with the long term aim of eradicating it. My fear though is that our scared PM under the control of a small group of scientists will be spooked into a fourth lockdown staring in early summer lasting well into autumn. I hope to God I'm wrong.
83
09/03/2021 12:44:17 2 3
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We've never gone for a national eradication strategy (national, not global), as NZ did, & that isn't going to change. Politicians & scientists in UK have been 100% clear about it. Scientists will continue to be led by the data & politicians will continue to be advised by scientists but will make the decisions. Do I think UK Gov's decision making has been good.... No, been untimely & panicked.
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09/03/2021 12:45:35 2 1
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Eradicating it? Lol. You realise novel coronaviruses have been present for almost a century?
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CJR
09/03/2021 12:49:56 0 1
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If people will be responsible there will be no need
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09/03/2021 12:38:20 755 441
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Why do these ‘expert’ keep spouting doom and gloom. The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter. So in other words they don’t know. The pandemic is coming to an end due to the vaccine. Lockdown is ending whether they like it or not. People have had enough of this now and want to return to normal life. If people are so scared then stay in forever.
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09/03/2021 12:40:10 262 192
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Couldn't agree more!!!
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09/03/2021 12:49:13 32 18
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But only because you don't understand.
722
09/03/2021 13:20:38 3 3
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And if we get another surge (or worse a new variant), we're all stuck in lockdown again. If we're careful we could be reach Stage 3 on the 17th of May. I would love to be at that position by Easter, but then we could end up in lockdown again. We've put up with this for 12 months, only two more months (and one week) to go if we hold the line.
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09/03/2021 12:36:30 1591 555
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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09/03/2021 12:40:19 146 124
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I’m s rue the government are quaking in their boots at your non-negotionable demands...

Who the hell do half of you on here think you are...
84
09/03/2021 12:44:20 128 76
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Citizens who will rebel if this continues much longer
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09/03/2021 12:50:43 4 9
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The sensible ones.
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IJ
09/03/2021 12:53:59 21 9
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The electorate in a democratic society. The Government govern by consent of the people. I thought this would be self-evident to the vast majority of people but maybe not.
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09/03/2021 12:55:18 22 9
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Who do half of us think we are?

Last time I checked I was an adult voter. So maybe if half or more of us think a certain way the government would do well to listen.
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09/03/2021 12:38:20 755 441
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Why do these ‘expert’ keep spouting doom and gloom. The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter. So in other words they don’t know. The pandemic is coming to an end due to the vaccine. Lockdown is ending whether they like it or not. People have had enough of this now and want to return to normal life. If people are so scared then stay in forever.
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09/03/2021 12:40:44 79 65
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So you know better than the "experts". Perhaps they spout doom and gloom because that is where the science takes them. Alternatively you believe that all experts are lefties trying to bring the country down.
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09/03/2021 12:57:06 6 11
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They are talking worse case scenarios, like they always do. We have never come close to the worst case predictions from the models. He's also using it warn off a growing number of MPs who are starting to push for things to be relaxed faster. We are going to have another wave, no different to flu, we can't avoid it - he's right more people will need hospital and die IF they don't take the vaccine
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09/03/2021 13:34:27 2 3
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Just like the "experts" estimates of 250,000 hospitalisations at the start of the pandemic. Then in October 60,000 infections and 100.000 a day deaths.
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09/03/2021 12:37:09 247 960
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Return to freedom

We never had freedom
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09/03/2021 12:40:48 41 13
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You'll never take my freedom!
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09/03/2021 12:40:50 49 21
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He's not actually saying anything that anyone with a brain could'nt work out. Hence the reason every stage is a wait and see. Shame on the media for reporting anything other than that. It will be the early part of next year before anything like normal returns.
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09/03/2021 12:43:03 47 36
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No it won’t we will be back to normal by June 21st if you want to hide away till next year be my guest
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09/03/2021 13:01:14 3 2
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No it won't the country can't afford it!!
09/03/2021 15:56:34 3 1
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If that is ok with you stay at home (presumably you are financially secure?) but there is no way many of us can cope with anything more than a few more weeks of this. Maybe that's the idea, kill of the the mindful and just have the unconscious masses to 'deal' with which is easy of course because they believe in Project Fear and that beast has Whitty's lined up infinitum.
Doctor Death speaks!
People are so compliant and subservient, they can say anything now and people swallow it whilst ignoring the fact that the only people getting rich from the situation are Big Pharma, Tech and Politiks.
Coincidence?!
I think that if Boris told everybody that, to be cured, all they had to do was lean back and let him squirt his own warm dia****** into their mouths, they'd obey
Removed
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09/03/2021 12:41:08 607 211
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Ignore Prof Whitty and we're all boned. Stick to the plan and keep monitoring. Schools have only been back for 1 day, for crying out loud...
Prof. Whitty needs a shot of testosterone STAT! Removed
669
09/03/2021 13:16:22 10 9
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Exactly see what’s happened by next Wednesday
986
09/03/2021 13:36:48 40 55
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Just leave it at 'ignore Witty'. That is all you need to know.
xlr
09/03/2021 13:38:52 46 18
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Indeed. Ignoring experts has been an increasingly expensive practice in the UK over the last 5 years.
09/03/2021 13:40:55 12 16
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It's not current variants that they worry about but new ones like the New York one that seems to affect the young and still people won't be vaccinated because they fear it's a con by rich old westerners be it reckless drinkers or worried minority communities being hardrdt hit and sadly may fester mutations that could render vaccination innefective, lets do this 100% once and for all!
kh
09/03/2021 14:03:41 20 11
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The most compelling question is who really is Chris Whitty and where did he come from
09/03/2021 14:53:06 7 3
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Correct, let the experts decide what is good for the country, there seems to be an awful lot of self proclaim experts making comments on here, whats thier occupations I wonder.
09/03/2021 15:21:01 8 3
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I see the far right Tory Bots are out telling us that OUR opinion should be that lockdown should finish now.

That isn't the general British public opinion. Most people do not want to be in and out of lockdown.

So let's do the sensible thing and wait until the scientists/experts say it's right to do so.
09/03/2021 15:25:07 4 1
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Increasing cases may well happen. The at risk groups are largely vaccinated. So what?
09/03/2021 15:55:25 3 0
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Yes..like SAGE have done such a good job so far..oh , wait a minute.
09/03/2021 16:17:22 1 1
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oh your the one that listens to him! i wondered who did so!
09/03/2021 16:13:24 0 1
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Because that worked out so well last year, didn’t it?
Jim
09/03/2021 16:50:11 0 0
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Vaccine!!! If it works and has been given to the most vulnerable than what exactly are we waiting for.
09/03/2021 16:51:38 2 0
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In October 2019 Prof Whitty gave a seminar convincing world scientists that there could NOT be a virus Pandemic in the West due to the high hygiene, clean drinking water, good diet etc.. Also stated in the same speech that International travel would not spread a virus. How has that gone Chris? He has no more common sense than Government that he works for. There is such a thing as bad science.
09/03/2021 17:38:11 1 0
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It is still a seasonal virus where over 90% of the mortality is very hold and very sick, with a least ONE co-morbidity, the co-morbidities listed by the ONS are all killers in their own right The counting of Covid deaths is scandalous and one day the truth will come out, I expect when the current 20 year olds are 50 year olds as the reality is too toxic for many careers in SAGE and Parliament
09/03/2021 17:53:38 0 0
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The facts show only 18 Children up to 19 years old have died of covid in England and Wales up to Jan21 where covid was a factor so likely within the 28 day postiive test rule which we all know is wrong. Now the over 60's are vaccinated we shouldnt have an issue and if we do its because the vaccine doesnt work clearly!
09/03/2021 20:21:44 0 0
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It will take more than a week to see if there is any change.
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09/03/2021 12:37:30 56 39
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What, do you think, are the odds on the great British public right royally screwing this up? Judging by the amount of traffic on the roads at the moment I would say they are evens
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09/03/2021 12:41:09 40 9
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And yet all the covid charts of doom are plummeting! Go figure! ??
09/03/2021 14:36:25 1 0
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Plummeting because of the current lockdown. People are ignoring current lockdown rules and this will result in the charts reversing and an additional unavoidable fourth wave
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09/03/2021 12:41:23 12 18
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Whitty is right. I feel so sorry for teachers, who should have been prioritized in the vaccination lists.
I saw several maskless families, with kids being taken to school, and teenagers hugging each other, when I was stopping at traffic lights this morning.
The virus doesn't care about the age of it's 'host'.
There's a guaranteed spike coming if this complacency continues.
How is this happening?
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09/03/2021 12:45:03 5 2
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Because people are stupid+++++
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09/03/2021 12:45:28 1 2
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Surely you didn’t see teenagers hugging, that’s terrible, I think you should go and hide away.
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09/03/2021 12:41:26 13 19
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Right now, I'm fed up with Professor s**ding Whitty.
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09/03/2021 12:51:50 3 1
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I doubt he'd think very highly of you
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09/03/2021 12:41:28 486 45
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Co-vid will not disappear, we're going to have to live with it, and we can't stay in LD forever.
So sadly some will choose not to get the vaccine and will die, or others it won't work and they will die, but we have to re-open in line with the plan and get back to "normal".
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09/03/2021 13:09:24 184 378
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This is all just a continuation of project fear, in case you start to think that maybe the shredding of our society wasn't necessary after all.
Remember Whitty works for HMG, which is why he switched his Preplanned Pandemic response to the Stay Popular response last March.
09/03/2021 13:51:27 26 9
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Those who choose not to take it also choose the risk. The rest of us should not have our lives governed by their stupidity.
09/03/2021 14:01:23 22 19
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I’ll choose not to have it and i’m pretty sure I wont die ????
09/03/2021 14:04:06 8 10
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The ongoing problem will be if we allow unvaccinated people to go abroad and bring back the virus.
It will never be possible to vaccinate the entire world.
09/03/2021 14:30:29 4 2
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It's called survival of the fittest, sadly.
09/03/2021 14:39:49 3 8
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The vaccine won't prevent Covid, so vaccines aren't the answer, pity so many see it as the answer to their freedom. SAGE are in this with the Big Pharma companies, get your head round that and you'll see lockdowna are here until later this year. The PHE England spokeswoman even warned us of that the other day. We're being taken for fools! Normal has gone, get used to it.
dai
09/03/2021 14:53:23 5 0
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we all die one day. fact of life
09/03/2021 14:43:10 6 1
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So what is " normal" in TORY BRITAIN? Child poverty, homeless, rich getting richer !
09/03/2021 14:43:41 1 3
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and a regular revaccination.
09/03/2021 15:13:09 3 1
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There are a number of people who cannot have a vaccine for medical reasons, as with people who are allergic to anti-biotics, so we have to make sure they are kept safe, if to some extent isolated. Refusal on medical reasons is not the same as "I don't want it".
09/03/2021 15:16:11 4 1
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And, at the moment, without the full protection of the vacine the situation is dangerous for many. It is likely that the proportion of carriers without symptoms will increase untril the vaccination project is rolled out, with both doses and sufficient time for them to work.
09/03/2021 15:17:16 1 3
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The 'normal' to which you refer will never return. The whole world will have to get used to a new 'normal' - one that takes into account the existence of covid-19 (which will never cease to exist) and live their lives accordingly. A new 'normal' that will be be less pleasant in every respect than the 'normal' we had. Many simply refuse to accept that: truth deniers; ostrich syndrome.
09/03/2021 15:21:16 2 3
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I see the far right Tory Bots are out telling us that OUR opinion should be that lockdown should finish now.

That isn't the general British public opinion. Most people do not want to be in and out of lockdown.

So let's do the sensible thing and wait until the scientists/experts say it's right to do so.
09/03/2021 15:25:01 1 3
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You're going to die anyway covid will just be like cancer . As for getting the vaccination you could get run over when coming out of the jab centre. Should have just let it run it's course from the outset.
09/03/2021 15:27:02 4 0
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"So sadly some will choose not to get the vaccine and will die" - around 97-99% who choose not to have the vaccine will have mild symptoms and be absolutely fine.
09/03/2021 16:14:34 1 0
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To the best of my knowledge people have always died of something...
09/03/2021 16:18:51 2 0
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Wow - Dont get the vacine and you will die? Apocolyse? A virus that kills 2% of people who are infected and 95% of those with pre-existing conditions (Look at ONS).
This is akin to saying anyone who gets in a car / airplane is going to die.
Irresponsible comment and fear mongering
09/03/2021 16:19:09 1 0
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You allow that sort of thinking to become part of our society then what next ? ...they will eventually come for you
09/03/2021 16:40:28 1 0
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We all have a choice, the covid virus will not disappear completely but yes to levels we can live with, there are other concerns that the next pandemic maybe around the corner there is concern about the Nipah virus which has a 75% death rate I believe.
This pandemic has taught us that we are not immune to the natural order, it is about choice I think some of us will be much wiser and careful
09/03/2021 17:31:18 1 1
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Or some will choose not to get the vaccine and will let their healthy immune system do its job.
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09/03/2021 12:41:30 15 15
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In yesterdays briefing, the NHS woman reminded everyone that last summer when they opened things up, we got the spikes in Autumn. But she neglected to point out over 50% of the adults will now be immune in April when we unlock this year.
Either the vaccine has worked or it hasn't, no more shifting goalposts please!
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09/03/2021 12:51:19 2 1
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What's the latest conspiracy lunacy on why scientists want to keep you locked up?
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09/03/2021 12:54:58 1 2
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Bit of a sod if they open everything, you're not in the 50% that's been vaccinated, and you catch C19!
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09/03/2021 12:38:20 755 441
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Why do these ‘expert’ keep spouting doom and gloom. The models showing there could happen in summer or autumn or winter. So in other words they don’t know. The pandemic is coming to an end due to the vaccine. Lockdown is ending whether they like it or not. People have had enough of this now and want to return to normal life. If people are so scared then stay in forever.
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09/03/2021 12:41:32 38 29
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Exactly. Have the models even considered that nearly all vulnerable have been vaccinated?
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09/03/2021 12:51:31 22 10
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Well, some of the assumptions made in the modelling were definitely very wrong and we know that already - only 85% vaccine take up in the vulnerable groups when it's actually been more like 95% and less than 50% efficacy from a first dose to name two.
Those assumptions alone would affect the modelling so substantially that those models are going to be wildly inaccurate.
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09/03/2021 13:34:30 2 0
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1) If nearly all the vulnerable have been vaccinated, why are there still over 100 people a day dying from it. Because of vaccination lag. You're only "protected" once a few weeks have elapsed after your vaccination. Only 1.1m people have had their 2nd dose, 22m have had their 1st dose. But if the aim is to vaccinate all adults, then another 30m will need to be vaccinated before next Winter.
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09/03/2021 13:34:45 5 0
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2) Watch the recent BBC Horizon programme if you want to understand why it is key to get a large take up of the vaccine. It's not all about the R number. Reduced take up of a vaccine is the reason for the larger numbers of Measles infections in recent years. If we want to dramatically reduce the impact of Covid in the future we have to have a successful vaccination programme now.
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09/03/2021 12:41:39 12 18
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This is absurd! Let's continue to spread as much 'doom and gloom' as possible, even stating the blindingly obvious as regards winter and possible respiratory infections.

Still, their two jobs are secure for another twelve months at least!
79
09/03/2021 12:43:56 7 1
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Their jobs were secure before the pandemic.
90
09/03/2021 12:45:03 3 1
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"Let's continue to spread as much 'doom and gloom' as possible, even stating the blindingly obvious"

Stating the likely reality is merely informing the public of the potential repercussions and impacts ahead. Whitty is being rightly truthful with the public, something Johnson can only aspire to.
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09/03/2021 12:39:24 175 131
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Oh, please Whitty. Stop it. We have had enough of scaremongering . A bit of optimism please. Same from BBC. It's Spring time. It's lovely out there. Enjoy life. Carpe Diem as much as you can . Seize the day. The " Memento mori "can wait.
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09/03/2021 12:41:40 94 80
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He is following the science.
Have you ever watched Kieslowski's Dekalog, part 1?
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09/03/2021 12:54:12 21 11
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folLOWing ThE ScieNce

I wish everyone would stop this mantra. What the models are are borderline science (in the Kuhnian sense). Models must be falsifiable, but modellers insist on calling their models "projections" to avoid scientific scrutiny. If we assess their model performance by any standard statistical measure they are shown to be utterly useless at forecasts outside of a week ahead.
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09/03/2021 12:56:15 3 14
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Then it is probably way past time he stopped following and started leading.
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JGC
09/03/2021 13:16:38 8 11
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The problem is there is no such thing as "the" science. There are differing opinions. The problem is the Government only listens to the opinion of the most doom and gloom scientist there is, Chris Whitty.
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09/03/2021 13:19:20 8 4
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No he's not. Like the other key influencers he's following the money. The 'science' not to mention the inventor of the PCR test knows that the PCR was never designed for detecting infections. Plus, anything over 25 cycles the data from the PCR is "meaningless". The PCR was rolled out at 45 cycles.
09/03/2021 13:54:46 2 3
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No he isn't. The 'model' that was used to justify the first lockdown was so flaky it gave wildly different results dependent on which computer you ran it on and he knowingly gave a presentation using data that was 2 weeks out of date to justify the November lockdown. Like most that become 'celebrities' he just doesn't want to let his little bit of fame go.
09/03/2021 15:45:07 0 0
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Nothing to do with power and money then?
09/03/2021 16:59:38 1 0
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He is following a particular set of scientific views and dodgy modelling to promote doom mongering, NOT the entire range of scientific data views & evidence that exist in the whole world for COvid 19
09/03/2021 17:58:51 0 0
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The Science is wrong and mostly funded by Bill gates. He needs to tell us the truth about whos dying and why because the ONS figures show Covid is of little risk to under 60s and virtually no risk to children. 95% of deaths have been above 60 and remember these deaths are using the fraudulent test. Why destroy a country, peoples livelihoods, children's lives now the above 60s have been vaccinated?
09/03/2021 18:15:01 0 0
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I thought he was supposed to be a leader.
As to ‘The Science’: no such thing, only people called scientists exploring the material world and reaching conclusions - which may be challenged by subsequent exploration. All Science is provisional.
09/03/2021 18:35:04 0 0
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No he isn't, never before in history have we locked down the immune to protect the vulnerable. There is no science behind that at all, IF lock-down works then lock-down the vulnerable. The consequences of this are even more deaths over time AND of younger people. You are mad if you support this lock-down hysteria.
09/03/2021 19:52:18 0 0
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No he’s cashing fat cheques from the government every month!!!! Strange how the science and the virus knows the time and day when we can suddenly do things
09/03/2021 19:58:35 0 0
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Science told people in 1918 to take aspirin - the advised levels of which created toxin and killed many! Science told people in 2000 (obesity) to stop eating fat and the low fat diet has caused an upsurge in heart disease. Scientists have doctored our food for years and everything has malto dextrin in it (cancer forming) and it goes on and on .... Follow and check what you believe not scientists.
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09/03/2021 12:41:45 106 26
bbc
I can only play the cards I'm given. If the vaccine(s) doesn't work for me, and I get ill, and I end up in hospital, and I die, so be it. The odds are so slim now. I've done everything I find reasonable. Let me get on with my life. I'm willing to take the risk.
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09/03/2021 12:43:30 11 23
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How slim what are the statistics?
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09/03/2021 12:48:28 13 4
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Whilst I don't disagree that the vaccines will free us up to recover something pretty close to normality, you do have to remember that you aren't taking the risk solely for yourself.... You are taking it for your family, your friends, your neighbours, the people you get close to in supermarkets, restaurants, pubs etc.
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09/03/2021 12:49:35 11 8
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You are willing to take the risk of infecting other people, how very big of you.
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Sam
09/03/2021 12:55:31 10 8
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How very selfish of you. Well done you on getting the jab and balls to everyone else.....
09/03/2021 14:34:50 9 2
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I agree.Why has the Gov got the right to dictate to me what level of risk I can take with my own life.I will do what I consider right for me and my mental health.Some people seem to want the Gov to do their thinking for them.Data shows everything is going well so there is no justificationfor keeping us locked up and denying people the right to see their families and loved ones.
09/03/2021 21:03:01 0 0
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What level of risk though?
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09/03/2021 12:41:50 15 28
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The doom goblin is back spouting more fear-inducing nonsense. Last summer, amongst the lowest restrictions in 12 months, we saw the least amount of deaths/cases. There will be no spike. The vulnerable are jabbed, let's get the country opened up asap.
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09/03/2021 12:46:38 2 2
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Last Summer, we reaped the positive effects of lockdown, hence lower spread / cases. And then there was a lagged spike, when things opened up (particularly schools & Unis). The only difference now is that we have the vaccine. So, maybe...... MAYBE..... we won't get a spike or, if we do, it won't be as large & cases won't be as serious.
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CJR
09/03/2021 12:46:55 0 2
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Your qualifications are?
257
09/03/2021 12:53:11 0 1
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And how would you define "as possible"?
342
09/03/2021 12:58:26 0 1
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Have a seat, take a deep breath in through your nose and release it through your mouth. Feeling relaxed? Good. Now take another read at the rubbish you have subjected your keyboard to. Last summer, we were well behind in introducting restrictions, testing and tracing. Which ultimately led to the high death toll we are sitting with now a year later. Logical thinking is not your forte, obviously.
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09/03/2021 12:37:44 82 12
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"30,000 deaths by the summer of 2020." Surely this is a typo.
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09/03/2021 12:41:55 58 39
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Weve had well over 100,000 deaths so far so I don’t find this strange, however, the modelling is based on data from a time without a vaccine so the model could be off and as such should be taken with a grain of salt
09/03/2021 13:58:36 7 8
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Died with, not of
09/03/2021 15:34:34 1 0
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It's not a massive number when you consider 1500 deaths a day from all causes is quite normal.
09/03/2021 18:21:52 0 0
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How many 'of' covid is the question. Pity the Norwegians and Pfizer aren't counting them in the UK, we'd have far fewer covid deaths. 33 Norwegians who died after Pfizer's vaccine didn't die 'of' the vaccine. It seems they were very old, very ill & it tipped them. Try reading the report & replace 'vaccine' with 'covid' and wonder who is fiddling the data and why?
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09/03/2021 12:37:30 56 39
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What, do you think, are the odds on the great British public right royally screwing this up? Judging by the amount of traffic on the roads at the moment I would say they are evens
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09/03/2021 12:42:02 2 3
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ODDS ON SURELY!
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09/03/2021 12:42:34 10 10
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Why are all "the scientists" epidemiologists, infectious disease specialists etc., and not psychologists, social scientists etc., covering the whole range of medical sciences?

Okay, I get that "not dying" is important, but it's not the only thing that's important, yet it is treated as such.
DK
09/03/2021 14:46:35 0 1
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Because the media ask whoever says what they want to hear.
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09/03/2021 12:42:39 7 11
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The data should start to monitor refusenik deaths separated from those vaccinated. The NHS will have this data in its systems.

The rest of us should not have to stay under house arrest because of the selfish...
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Pip
09/03/2021 13:01:36 1 1
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Hopefully, and the numbers of people being vaccinated would suggest, that after the effect of reaching 80+% immunity to Covid, that 'Herd Immunity, will override the anti-vaxxers effect on transmission.

At this point maybe a modicum of reality will be there for all to enjoy..............?
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09/03/2021 12:39:26 116 82
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Enough is enough. The vast majority who can die and are hospitalised have been vaccinated. These dystopian restrictions and rule-by-diktat needs to stop. These scientists are so far removed from the real world and have a very narrow focus.
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09/03/2021 12:42:39 34 34
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Scientists not in the real world. They study the real world.
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09/03/2021 12:48:05 7 6
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Their modelling assumptions are fatally flawed. We have counter examples of where places have opened and either haven't seen surges or have seen small surges that healthcare systems can cope with. We are doing untold damage at the moment to people's lives, let alone to fundamental rights to freedom.
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09/03/2021 12:59:44 2 3
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Not in a labratory they don't. The real is outside, in homes, workplaces and on the streets. Whitty and his team don't venture out to those ordinary places. They study data and use theories to make models of what MAY happen.
451
09/03/2021 13:04:50 3 2
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Speaking as a scientist, I live in the real world, where else would I live? I made sure when I was young to work in a variety of jobs to give me an idea of the "real world". I've worked as a builder's labourer, retail delivery driver, library assistant, trainee engineer and shop assistant. Now I'm a scientist. If you want dystopian restrictions try the ones they employed in Wuhan.
794
09/03/2021 13:25:10 1 2
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Pre COVID, scientists also went to restaurants , went on holiday saw friends and family went to pubs, commutes etc. They are part of the real world
09/03/2021 13:52:25 1 2
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They have all been paid during the pandemic. Bet the science would change if they had no income.
09/03/2021 16:04:13 0 0
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You could not be further from the truth franksol and 400 words cannot even touch the explanation as to why I believe that. Google 'Making decisions from the heart not the head' is a starting point for those who still listen to 'the scientists' hooked into the political system that wants to control us with this nonsense.
09/03/2021 18:41:49 0 0
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Not Ferguson, he 'models' it, and if you think his Model is anywhere near accurate then you are ignorant. He has form for his pathetic modelling too. 2005 Bird Flu & 2009 Swine Flu - this nut case advises WHO! No wonder the West locked down

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2005/sep/30/birdflu.jamessturcke
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09/03/2021 12:42:50 9 20
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The scientists have had their "15 minutes of fame". Please let us get on, use the benefits of the vaccination programme and manage the virus like we do flu.
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09/03/2021 12:45:46 3 1
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Shame Boris is still enjoying his minutes of fame.
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09/03/2021 12:51:09 0 1
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Exactly, well said! How are we proving the vaccine works by staying innlockdown, and if the vaccine doesn’t work, can we even afford to remain in lockdown!! This is the time, open up, hope the vaccine (which has been given to those that account for 99.9% of Covid deaths already) works, or learn to accept the reality of it doesn’t!
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09/03/2021 12:51:11 0 1
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Got to get everyone vaccinated first, and then a rolling vaccination programme put in place, once the true effectiveness of the vaccines have been determined.
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09/03/2021 12:42:55 14 15
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I find it so sad that the Govt has tried to cover up their failings by blameing the people instead of accepting responsability & that so many Brits seem to believe this spin

There are rule breakers in every nation, many much worse then here

But its better for Boris if you blame a tiny minority for the fact the UK has the highest number of Covid deaths per capita of any major nation worldwide
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09/03/2021 12:47:59 8 3
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I find it even sadder that you don't feel that people are responsible for their own actions ... in what way is the government responsible for idiots holding illegal raves, parties, or gathering at football grounds etc ?

Still, much simpler to blame someone else isn't it ?
161
09/03/2021 12:49:19 0 3
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Blah, blah.... tory bash, tory bash... blah blah blah tory bash,... incompetent... blah blah tory bash tory bash... blah blah blah...
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09/03/2021 12:51:02 3 3
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This tiny minority that have broken the rules was shown to be 15% in 1st lockdown, and 40% not fully adhering to rules in the latest lockdown! No the government hasn't been perfect, but we have not helped!
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Pip
09/03/2021 12:55:55 2 1
bbc
I trust you, the tiny minority that rule the country, are to blame, with their obfuscations of the facts presented to us...............?
848
09/03/2021 13:19:19 0 0
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Deaths from all cases within 28 days of a positive covid test.
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09/03/2021 12:36:30 1591 555
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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09/03/2021 12:42:56 212 70
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It's scary just how many terrified people seem to want restrictions to stay indefinitely.
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FF
09/03/2021 12:52:03 42 58
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Many peoples lives aren't affected by restrictions.

So many people are struggling without a Pub being open. This may surprise you but many couldn't care less if a pub never opened again.
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09/03/2021 12:56:52 13 10
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I've read quite a few articles where people have stated they are terrified of lockdown ending either because they've become a recluse or some other social worry - therein lies your answer.
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09/03/2021 12:59:34 22 9
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It's amusing how many people claim to know what others think.

I've yet to meet anyone "terrified" by the virus & nobody at all who desires indefinite restrictions.
This is just more self-propelled nonsense.
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09/03/2021 13:13:44 14 9
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The only people saying that there is a will for the place to stayed locked down indefinitely are those who want all restrictions removed...

it's a complete and utter hyperbole used to discredit those who urge caution. Its odd just how many people only ever perceive the extremes of the debate
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09/03/2021 12:39:44 120 63
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“They think it’s all over - it is now”

If we keep on listening to these two, life, economy and enjoyment sure is.
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09/03/2021 12:43:00 67 22
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Grim and Grimmer!
09/03/2021 18:12:55 0 0
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Come to Scotland and listen to Sturgeon- the GRIMMEST!!!!
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09/03/2021 12:43:01 7 9
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Data should be driving these decisions, not dates. Someone needs to remind Sturgeon of that, especially since it was her that said it in the first place.
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CJR
09/03/2021 12:45:31 3 2
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Think you will find she’s forgotten that.
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09/03/2021 12:46:58 0 1
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It was Bozo
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09/03/2021 12:40:50 49 21
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He's not actually saying anything that anyone with a brain could'nt work out. Hence the reason every stage is a wait and see. Shame on the media for reporting anything other than that. It will be the early part of next year before anything like normal returns.
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09/03/2021 12:43:03 47 36
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No it won’t we will be back to normal by June 21st if you want to hide away till next year be my guest
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CJR
09/03/2021 12:48:45 6 2
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Your qualifications are?
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09/03/2021 12:57:17 9 1
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Funny how people are forgetting that all the dates are "at the earliest" already.
09/03/2021 14:30:00 7 2
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iT AMAZES ME HOW PEOPLE HAVE BECOME LIKE SHEEP AND ARE QUITE PREPARED TO GIVE UP OUR FREEDOMS WITH NO ARGUMENT AND JUST ACCEPT IT.VIRUS IS NOT GOING AWAY AND UNLESS YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A PRISON FOR YEARS,LIFE MUST GET BACK TO SOME NORMALITY.OUR WHOLE ECONOMY IS ON THE EDGE AND MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS WILL OVERWHELM THE NHS FOR A LONG TIME TO COME.
09/03/2021 15:24:07 0 1
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Why your guest? Who are you?
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09/03/2021 12:43:09 15 12
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All everyone has to do is same as they always should have.

Learn what 2M looks like and stop infringing other people’s space and all will be well.

This only spread anyway as so many never got the basics. Lockdown only needed to enforce what many are incapable of.
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09/03/2021 12:46:37 1 2
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Yeah, it's that simple, who needs experts ah? Just open it up on HYS and they'll know what to do.
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09/03/2021 12:48:11 0 1
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What utter nonsense. Tell me which UK town or city or even a shop that's designed for humans to stay 2m apart?
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Pip
09/03/2021 12:52:17 0 2
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In most activities that humans engage in, the 2m rule is incompatible with. We just have to accept that now most will have be vaccinated, and 'Herd Immunity' kicks in, that Covid won't affect us to the same degree that it has thus far.

Reality has to return................?
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09/03/2021 12:36:42 8 1
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Who?
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09/03/2021 12:43:18 0 2
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My next door neighbours. He's alright. Bit under the thumb. She's always moaning and complaining that nobody likes her. She hasn't figured out yet that it's because she's always moaning and complaining.
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09/03/2021 12:38:12 228 125
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Does seem strange with every bit of good news ie vaccine, deaths falling, the scientists bring out a huge red flag ??. Control maybe, who knows just strange to me!!
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09/03/2021 12:43:19 201 141
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Control and fear. They’re seeing people deciding themselves to ignore rules so stoke the fires once more to keep them in. I don’t know why they want to ruin this country because that’s exactly what continued lockdown will do. Then there won’t be an NHS for anyone.
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09/03/2021 12:55:38 18 7
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More fear than control. Scientists know they’ll get the blame if there’s another surge.

And scientists aren’t in control.
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09/03/2021 13:07:50 4 21
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Those deciding to break the rules are killing people.

All for their "right to have fun".

What a thoroughly unpleasant "I'm all right Jack..." attitude.
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09/03/2021 13:27:04 4 11
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So many people in the country have ignored the 'rules' all along. They are collectively partly responsible - the government's mishandling of the pandemic being also partly responsible - for this country having one of the worst COVID death rates (behind Slovenia and San Marino only). All of these people spouting rubbish about control and fear have a lot of blood on their hands!
09/03/2021 17:37:44 0 0
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You got it the other way round.
If you want to ruin the country and damage the NHS, you'd open the floodgates, allow there to be a spike in cases, overwhelm the NHS, and do nothing about it.
And when it does happen, and a lockdown hasn't been put in place, people would start asking why, and come to the conclusion that the government are negligent, corrupt, and don't care about their people.
09/03/2021 18:33:26 0 1
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The country is not in ruins, the economy is not ruins. Our economy is in a severe slump, which happens every so often anyway, because that is just the way it is, there has to be a slump to regain prosperity. The country does however always come back out on top. Jobs are lost, new ones are created etc. If it wasn't for this pandemic, then something else would have caused an economic slump.
09/03/2021 20:58:31 0 0
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How about 'seeing people deciding themselves to ignore rules' surely that's the real problem
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09/03/2021 12:43:20 27 14
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"Modelling has suggested even with a gradual lifting of restrictions there could be 30,000 deaths by the summer of 2020."

Interesting bit of hindsight there or is it a case of the BBC proof reader taking the day off......again
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09/03/2021 12:37:09 247 960
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Return to freedom

We never had freedom
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09/03/2021 12:43:26 98 92
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Well, actually you are right. If you agree with lockdown or not, one thing the pandemic has shown us is how many laws there are that allow the government and Parliament to take away our freedom whenever they want. The idea of even being able to take it away means you are not free any more than your dog is while out for a walk.
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09/03/2021 12:52:16 255 99
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None of us have lost our freedom we are just being asked as adults to do what is right to protect health and lives
09/03/2021 13:38:05 10 2
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Its taken a pandemic to teach you that? Defence of the realm act allows the govt to seize your house and if need be conscript you and send you to die in war. Blair with his terrorism mania tried bringing in detention without charge or lawyer for 50 days. It was the UNELECTED upper house blocked that.
BD
09/03/2021 13:40:55 14 11
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And how do you think society works?
The UK government is not the only government in the world imposing restrictions. And, the less of the 'Me, me, my rights' people the sooner we will be out of these restrictions.
I have not, in any of the lockdowns imposed in the last year, heard that people are not allowed to walk their dog.
Perhaps use some facts in your next pathetic bleat ...
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09/03/2021 12:41:45 106 26
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I can only play the cards I'm given. If the vaccine(s) doesn't work for me, and I get ill, and I end up in hospital, and I die, so be it. The odds are so slim now. I've done everything I find reasonable. Let me get on with my life. I'm willing to take the risk.
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09/03/2021 12:43:30 11 23
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How slim what are the statistics?
09/03/2021 15:23:20 8 2
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Don't be lazy, do your own research, do your own risk assessment and then action it. My risk is minimal verging on neglidgable.
09/03/2021 19:48:28 0 0
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120k divided by 70m = 0.00171.
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09/03/2021 12:43:39 6 9
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All i want to know is that the vaccines that all our freedoms are hinged upon are working? If that's the case why can't the PM or SAGE come out and announce it. Actually stand there and say that all we are waiting on is everyone getting a jab. Once thats done, were X% sure it will be fine. Because there is no plan B.
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09/03/2021 12:47:13 2 2
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They won't do that.....they are like rock stars now, the whole population hanging on their every word.

Drunk on power!
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09/03/2021 13:18:17 0 0
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The vaccines do work. It’s been all over the news.
Eve. Against brazil variant. See Reuters
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09/03/2021 12:38:10 274 45
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So the vaccines are rolling out, not everyone will be vaccinated by September... so there could be a rise in cases in July and August... kids back in school, society getting back to normal. Seems pretty obvious really that there might be? Scaremongering? Or just stating the obvious!?!
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09/03/2021 12:43:40 23 3
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All adults who want to be vaccinated and can be will be vaccinated long before September. A rise in cases in summer is extremely unlikely, considering like almost all respiratory viruses covid spreads more in winter and the vaccination take-up is very high.
It's much more likely if there was a resurgence it would be next winter, though it's not likely to be anything like this winter.
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09/03/2021 12:53:56 1 1
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Let's hope you're right.
09/03/2021 20:11:02 0 0
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At last, it is really nice to see one of the most sensible and correct comments of the day on this site.
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09/03/2021 12:35:10 1225 57
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No one is expecting the pandemic to end all of a sudden....However it's reasonable to expect a return to freedom and normality gradually in line with reduced infection, death and hospitalization rates.
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Dee
09/03/2021 12:43:55 68 129
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And with the vaccine rollout over the next few months. If there's a third wave, as Whitty is saying, later in the year, then what's the point of the vaccines.
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09/03/2021 13:00:54 74 6
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It depends on how the 'wave' is measured.

If he's expecting detected cases are high while deaths are virtually zero then the vaccine works.

If he's expecting high deaths again then the vaccine is pointless.
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09/03/2021 13:11:30 20 4
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With the vaccine it’s a matter of being unwell at home or in hospital dying on a ventilator. That’s the main point of the vaccine.
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09/03/2021 13:14:21 0 7
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Bit of an own goal that one wasn't it.
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09/03/2021 13:25:35 7 3
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To protect upwards of 90 % of people.
09/03/2021 13:39:18 6 1
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Its likely to affect those who haven't yet been immunised or who for whatever reason can't be protected by the vaccine (like people on chemo, MS patients etc). No vaccine can be 100% effective in 100% of people.
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09/03/2021 12:41:39 12 18
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This is absurd! Let's continue to spread as much 'doom and gloom' as possible, even stating the blindingly obvious as regards winter and possible respiratory infections.

Still, their two jobs are secure for another twelve months at least!
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09/03/2021 12:43:56 7 1
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Their jobs were secure before the pandemic.
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bbc
Someone sack this psychopath please..... Removed
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09/03/2021 12:46:05 0 1
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Where do you work.....?
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09/03/2021 12:47:58 1 1
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I agree, Boris needs to go.
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09/03/2021 12:44:15 359 38
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Covid will never disappear, infact, there will be new versions & variants morphing all the time just like the common cold. We cannot therefore have perpetual lockdowns, instead we need to accept it's here to stay and a % of the population will become ill & die

The best way to the reduce the incidence of new pandemics plaguing us all in the future is to reassess human v animal kingdom interactions
"The best way to the reduce the incidence of new pandemics plaguing us all in the future is to reassess human v animal kingdom interactions"

Is that a reference to David Cameron?
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GJC
09/03/2021 12:57:26 32 8
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Another way to reduce the effects of pandemics is to have spare capacity in intensive care units, plenty of doctors and nurses, proper PPE stockpiled efficiently, decent track and trace. If all that had been in place this time last year things would not have been half as bad, but at the moment I see no evidence we will have this in place in time for the next one.
09/03/2021 13:57:11 1 3
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0.01% at that!
09/03/2021 14:09:02 10 3
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Good point Bill.

Unfortunately some Scientific Labs are going in search to study of different Coronavirus as there are known to be over a couple hundred of them.

Wuhan Lab was one of them.
09/03/2021 14:34:55 12 2
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Covid 19 will indeed keep morphing. Eventually it will morph into a variant which is easily transmittable but much less deadly - It's inevitable as the whole point of it's being is to infect and multiply. If it kills the host it is failing it's purpose therefore at some point it has to morph into something less deadly, similar to the common cold or seasonal flu at worst. We won't need lockdowns.
09/03/2021 14:47:02 2 4
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so how many times have people died from a cold?
09/03/2021 15:00:51 2 1
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In China.
09/03/2021 15:02:12 0 0
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You mean eat them all !?
09/03/2021 15:10:16 1 2
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Yes and dirty people should wash their hand and not cough or sneeze without a handkerchief. When I say dirty people I refer to those who exit a toilet without washing their hands. Probably the cause of half of all deaths.
09/03/2021 15:18:53 1 0
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At last! A comment that reflects reality!
09/03/2021 15:21:54 0 3
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I see the far right Tory Bots are out telling us that OUR opinion should be that lockdown should finish now.

That isn't the general British public opinion. Most people do not want to be in and out of lockdown.

So let's do the sensible thing and wait until the scientists/experts say it's right to do so.
09/03/2021 16:33:22 1 0
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Excellent point - human contact with animals brought us to this point. We may want to reduce meat consumption, give aid to impoverished societies, engage in a bit more emergency planning, and maybe test what our leaders would do in an all out crisis during election campaigns rather than just engage in personality contests. But for now.. let the schools go back, pause, assess and then go on.
09/03/2021 16:45:59 1 0
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Correct. Covid is the 7th coronavirus to be identified. The other 6 have been with us a long time and give us "a cold". In time (generations), CoVid 19 will give us cold symptoms but it will be with us forever now.
09/03/2021 16:58:32 0 0
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That's a given, and not just with the various Covid-type viruses that China and parts of SE Asia produces every year. We've got very lucky so far that some truly horrible infections stemming from the bushmeat trade (especially the eating of primates) in central and west Africa haven't spread outside their home area.
09/03/2021 17:03:00 0 0
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How do you know they will be like the common cold? Perhaps they'll be more like The Spanish Flu (mk2)

That's the trouble when hope counts more than evidence
09/03/2021 18:04:51 0 0
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I guess you would ban muffin the mule then.
09/03/2021 19:33:08 0 0
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"will never disappear" - and you are? where is the more deadly flu of 1918 now!
09/03/2021 19:57:54 0 0
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Not so sure about the animal kingdom comment. I would have thought the best way to reduce future pandemic potential would be to keep an eye on china. I suspect the animal kingdom only has a small part to play.
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09/03/2021 12:38:10 274 45
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So the vaccines are rolling out, not everyone will be vaccinated by September... so there could be a rise in cases in July and August... kids back in school, society getting back to normal. Seems pretty obvious really that there might be? Scaremongering? Or just stating the obvious!?!
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09/03/2021 12:44:16 22 15
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A rise in cases means very little. There is normally a rise in cases of flu every winter but we don't lock the country down.

Either you agree the vaccine works or you just don't want lockdown to end.
09/03/2021 16:23:21 1 0
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We don't lock the country down every winter because flu cases are not that high.
We were not getting 50k, 60k 70k new flu cases each day were we?
What would your plan be once all the hospitals were full?
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09/03/2021 12:40:06 12 13
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I fear he may be right. I hope this is the last lockdown and we get back to a much more normal way of living and at the same time control the virus with the long term aim of eradicating it. My fear though is that our scared PM under the control of a small group of scientists will be spooked into a fourth lockdown staring in early summer lasting well into autumn. I hope to God I'm wrong.
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09/03/2021 12:44:17 2 3
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We've never gone for a national eradication strategy (national, not global), as NZ did, & that isn't going to change. Politicians & scientists in UK have been 100% clear about it. Scientists will continue to be led by the data & politicians will continue to be advised by scientists but will make the decisions. Do I think UK Gov's decision making has been good.... No, been untimely & panicked.
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09/03/2021 12:47:19 1 1
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I believe that eradication is a long term goal that will take some time. The problem is that zero covid supporters believe we should stay locked down till eradication.
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09/03/2021 12:40:19 146 124
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I’m s rue the government are quaking in their boots at your non-negotionable demands...

Who the hell do half of you on here think you are...
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09/03/2021 12:44:20 128 76
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Citizens who will rebel if this continues much longer
You are a self centred idiot Removed
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09/03/2021 13:00:31 13 20
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Yeah, righto - you mean break the rules & thus fulfil the prediction of a third wave & more dangerous mutations.

Well done!!! ??
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09/03/2021 12:36:30 1591 555
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We need to be clear about one thing.

We are going back to normal. And we are doing so as quickly as possible.

This is non-negotiable.

We have vaccines now. There is no longer any suggestion that the NHS is under pressure. Infectious disease is a part of life. It always has been and it always will be.

These lockdown restrictions cannot, and will not, be allowed to become 'normal'.
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