Covid: Labour urges 'germ games' to plan for pandemics
09/03/2021 | news | politics | 703
The party's shadow health secretary says yearly drills would help the UK prepare for future threats.
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09/03/2021 14:23:38 3 2
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No need for 'games'; just research the history of microbial pandemics since the earliest human records. It's all there on how to deal with new ones. Shame it's not taught.
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09/03/2021 14:24:00 6 11
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Yes a Corbynite health games where you round everyone up and put them all together.
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09/03/2021 14:24:31 5 13
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Corbynite herd immunity games only north of watford!!
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09/03/2021 14:24:50 10 10
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Does anybody actually take Mr Ashworth seriously?

Could he be "just joshing" perhaps?
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09/03/2021 14:25:40 3 7
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Rather than being prepared for any future epidemics why not ensure that those in charge are fit for purpose! So far as I am aware there is not test of competence for any of our MPs or government ministers. The Civil Service has competency requirements for every grade and role; why not our elected representatives? We have a First Minister in Wales with a degree in Latin!
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09/03/2021 14:38:56 1 3
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I would like to know why those down voting the posting think it would be a bad idea to ensure we have competent politicians.
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09/03/2021 14:25:54 30 27
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"Years of cuts to public services and austerity left our health and care services lacking the capacity needed when disaster struck." Exactly right. Tory voters: at the next election stay home to protect the NHS.
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09/03/2021 14:28:44 30 33
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It is the Tory voters who pay the taxes to pay for the NHS
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09/03/2021 14:43:30 6 4
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Don't forget Good old Tony and Bullion Selling Gordon maxed out the UK's Credit Card before they exited Government.
The Public Sector needs better Financial Oversight, ROI and more importantly Value for money for the public in terms of services.
The NHS is no exception to this and the "frontline staff" always bear the brunt of this and it has to change where they are held in higher regard Than MM.
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09/03/2021 15:01:16 2 5
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The NHS gets more than is needed. Pen pushing managers on 100,000 wage is your "under funded" every country on the planet has struggled. So does that mean SOCIALIST countries were "underfunded" ? ??
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09/03/2021 14:26:07 4 7
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Are you having a laugh?! The ‘germ’ olympics will end up being held every 4 years soon.
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09/03/2021 14:26:30 10 18
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Typical Labour, too little too late, seeking clarity on its plan, affecting lowest paid the most, one rule for them another the rest, equality gap widening, etc
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09/03/2021 14:37:57 2 4
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Tory disaster, try to keep up!
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09/03/2021 15:00:06 0 0
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Going to blow your mind when you find out who's supposedly been in charge the last ten years..........
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09/03/2021 14:27:05 8 11
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Wow, an ‘era’ of pandemics?? Honestly give it a rest pal
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09/03/2021 14:28:12 8 8
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"He said an independent body should audit the plans"

For that, you need to have plans in the first place.

There have been 6 pandemics in the last century and still the UK was wholly unprepared for C19 - why would we be any different in future?

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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09/03/2021 14:31:47 6 6
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Actually measures identified and acted on in 2018 are largely why we as a nation were at the forefront of vaccine discovery and supply. Other countries and organizations not so much..
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09/03/2021 14:33:08 2 2
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Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have politicians who are competent. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:28:21 11 18
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Labour - playing games with everything as usual....
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09/03/2021 14:29:51 12 8
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Yes, because the Tories take running the country so seriously...
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09/03/2021 14:35:40 1 2
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It's a good idea, wake up!
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09/03/2021 14:28:27 11 9
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Why? So the findings can just be ignored again? Cygnus ended up being nothing but an expensive LARPing session.
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09/03/2021 14:25:54 30 27
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"Years of cuts to public services and austerity left our health and care services lacking the capacity needed when disaster struck." Exactly right. Tory voters: at the next election stay home to protect the NHS.
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09/03/2021 14:28:44 30 33
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It is the Tory voters who pay the taxes to pay for the NHS
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09/03/2021 14:38:49 10 2
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It's all taxpayers, but hey, keep talking rubbish
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09/03/2021 14:40:51 11 2
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Unless they keep their money in Tory sanctioned in tax havens.
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09/03/2021 14:47:22 3 0
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I'm due a very big refund then
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09/03/2021 14:36:09 5 6
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29% of the electorate voted Tory

71% didn't

The vast majority of people don't support the Tories
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09/03/2021 15:04:02 5 2
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Another lame Tory misdirection. Next?
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Pip
09/03/2021 15:04:36 4 1
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And it's Tory cronyism they're paying for, but none so blind, the saying goes.............?
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09/03/2021 15:08:23 2 0
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Not if they can find a loophole to avoid it, or shovel it abroad.
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09/03/2021 17:09:42 0 0
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No it isn't Ian, taxes are paid by people of working age.
Tory voters are very largely retired and in receipt of benefits (pensions), or left behind, not working and on benefits paid for out of the taxes of working age people.

Working age (and working) people largely voted Labour. They pay for the NHS, and also for Tory voters benefits as well.
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LS6
09/03/2021 14:28:55 30 8
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The govt needs to plan for more than just these pandemics.
Imagine if there was “solar activity” knocking out satellites and power grids. Even simple communications would become impossible.
How would such an event be handled? Emergency planning must be higher up the govts activity scale because they have been found wanting this time round.
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09/03/2021 14:32:14 10 3
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I would include in this more planning on dealing with any rogue state attacking us.
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09/03/2021 14:33:22 2 3
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How much money do you want to spend on once in a hundred year event? Or in the case of there being a “Solar activity” that knocks out satellites and power grid something that has never happened before
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09/03/2021 14:34:51 2 2
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Spot on, there are a wide and varied range of issues currently facing us including;
Pandemics
anti-biotic resistances
global warming
acidification of the oceans
sea grass and coral reef destruction (impacting ocean oxygen production)
water scarcity

I assume they have been planning for these sort of things but after covid i am not confident
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09/03/2021 14:41:04 3 0
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In this scenario and in a digital world I can tell you 100% what will happen, a complete breakdown of civil society within 24 hours.
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09/03/2021 14:48:44 7 1
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They had a plan for pandemics but they chose not to follow it and the results are for all to see.
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09/03/2021 14:55:14 1 1
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Map reading, chicken plucking, handwriting, planning ahead, self sufficiency, all being lost as the woke, social media obsessed generation lose touch with basic life needs.....
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bob
09/03/2021 15:12:44 0 0
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Someone’s been watching For All Mankind.
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09/03/2021 18:20:19 0 1
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There are contingencies for all you mention. There are even budgets for such.
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RM
09/03/2021 14:29:35 9 6
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Covid: Labour urges 'germ games' to plan for pandemics
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We did that already but the government didn't take any notice.
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09/03/2021 14:29:36 13 15
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Neither Labour nor Conservatives planned for a pandemic, spent money on PPE etc. in case.

Probably if they had done they would have been criticised for spending on something that might never happen if stuff went to waste.

I don't think any country did.

Bit rich Labour criticizing, dread to imagine J Corbyn handling this crisis.

Not a bad thing to learn and plan in case of another.
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09/03/2021 14:34:32 8 1
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The U.S. had a stockpile of PPE in storage for many years "just in case". When the pandemic started, much of it was useless due to deterioration over the years.
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09/03/2021 14:29:39 83 22
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It had been held in 2016. Exercise Cygnus was its name. It’s results were not acted upon.
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09/03/2021 14:37:26 50 28
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That's a failing of management i.e. the tories on not acting on the results, but the activity itself seems to have been a sensible one
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09/03/2021 14:57:35 5 6
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For the life of me, I cannot fathom how Ferguson's irregularly published, non peer reviewed, flawed, academic study convinced the UK and the US to ignore their own internal guidance and the WHO guidance, and execute everything from the "Never Do This" column for pandemic responses.
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09/03/2021 15:12:13 4 1
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Thanks for repeating what's already in the article for the short attention span/instant gratification generation who probably stopped at the pictures of the two nurses.
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kh
09/03/2021 15:07:42 1 0
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yeah they were
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09/03/2021 17:19:56 3 1
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Yes, the Tories ignored it and look what happened!
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09/03/2021 14:28:21 11 18
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Labour - playing games with everything as usual....
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09/03/2021 14:29:51 12 8
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Yes, because the Tories take running the country so seriously...
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09/03/2021 14:29:56 12 18
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This sort of tag line thinking is why Labour remain unelectable.
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09/03/2021 14:42:45 1 0
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Yes voting for the party of 150,000 dead

And the worst economic hit in the world

Yep they clearly are the party for you
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09/03/2021 14:30:18 8 10
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If the Tories can find yet another ill-qualified crony to run the ‘germ games’, they’ll probably give it a bash. They can ignore any interesting findings, just like the did with the most recent, similar exercise.
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09/03/2021 14:30:42 14 12
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It was suggested when Blair was in power, but he preferred to spend the money on buying votes rather than saving lives.
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09/03/2021 14:41:09 3 2
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Or selling the gold....
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09/03/2021 14:41:36 1 1
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Best Prime minister this country every had

I don't think he needed to buy votes
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09/03/2021 14:30:50 13 17
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Captain Hindsight with more rubbish....
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 6 8
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More sad deflection
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09/03/2021 14:35:03 0 1
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Excalty ! Boris has done every thing write since day one which is why were the first country to of beaten the virus and no one in the world had done better than Boris not even the failed eu supper state but the so called bbc cant report that because it doesnt suite there agender !
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09/03/2021 14:31:13 9 5
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As he well knows the government regularly carry out 'games' for all sorts of scenarios including pandemics. The results of these are reviewed and recommendations made. Whether those recommendations are implemented depends on many factors e.g. finances, how likely the scenario is to occur, to name a couple. Doing more on the same one will be unlikely to make us any more prepared.
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09/03/2021 14:31:15 7 14
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Mrs Thatcher would have had this sorted out by now anyway.....
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09/03/2021 14:31:23 5 4
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As Cygnus proved, there is no point at all in doing this unless politicians actually take action and put detailed plans in place - Which I'm sure the opposition would be the first to criticize if any costs were involved.
Back in your box, Ashworth, you've had little to contribute throughout the pandemic, so now is not the time to seek glory.
Also, "games"...... Seriously????????????
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09/03/2021 14:31:23 24 9
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Mr Ashworth said ministers had been "unprepared, complacent and inept"

That about says it all. Doesn't matter which ministers, which party or what crises. Ministers are always unprepared, complacent and inept.
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09/03/2021 14:33:48 17 26
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Tory ministers.
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09/03/2021 14:35:09 3 4
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Very true. Mr Ashworth is an example of an enraptured politician
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09/03/2021 15:19:19 2 1
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Lab / Lib voter and totally agree. Every govt, every minister - woefully unprepared. But guess what, move an engineer into my teaching job they would be woefully unprepared. Yet for the top jobs in the country it appears to be a requirement that the appointee has no professional experience that would aid in their work. Williamson (Education secretary) worked as manager in a fireplace manufacturer
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09/03/2021 14:31:34 32 24
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Hey, they DID run Operation Cygnus - and then ignored the results.

So there doesn't seem to be much point in "gaming" epidemics, at least so long as we have a Tory administration which deliberately underfunds public services.
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09/03/2021 14:33:16 11 21
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If they ignored the results then how come england has done so good in beating the virus ! Cant answer that can you !
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09/03/2021 14:31:43 17 5
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Follow "Mike Kenner" who is a cold war researcher and you'll find that we used to do things such as this - but for more sinister reasons. I think we need to dust off those old plans and reports.
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09/03/2021 14:28:12 8 8
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"He said an independent body should audit the plans"

For that, you need to have plans in the first place.

There have been 6 pandemics in the last century and still the UK was wholly unprepared for C19 - why would we be any different in future?

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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09/03/2021 14:31:47 6 6
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Actually measures identified and acted on in 2018 are largely why we as a nation were at the forefront of vaccine discovery and supply. Other countries and organizations not so much..
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09/03/2021 14:39:27 2 3
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Of course, we in the UK are so good that for the first vaccine we had Turkish scientists working for a German company making it in the EU then having a French company bring it to us... You're right, I was wrong.
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LS6
09/03/2021 14:28:55 30 8
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The govt needs to plan for more than just these pandemics.
Imagine if there was “solar activity” knocking out satellites and power grids. Even simple communications would become impossible.
How would such an event be handled? Emergency planning must be higher up the govts activity scale because they have been found wanting this time round.
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09/03/2021 14:32:14 10 3
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I would include in this more planning on dealing with any rogue state attacking us.
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09/03/2021 14:58:23 2 1
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Actually, just ANY planning would be highly beneficial. Just look at the Brexit fiasco.

It's really irritating (to put it mildly) that in 2016 the govt held exercise Cygnus to work out exactly what to do in case of a pandemic. Then chose to ignore most of the recommendations.
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09/03/2021 16:30:36 0 0
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And on any British Company, ripping us off.
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09/03/2021 14:32:17 7 9
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If they can further feather their nests it will be a goer.
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09/03/2021 14:32:32 38 10
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It's called war gaming and is something many departments do, seems a very sensible approach
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09/03/2021 14:39:49 22 38
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Maybe, with regular war games, the time it takes for Tory donors and friends of friends of cabinet minister's spouses to call up an get a juicy contract to supply defective PPE could be reduced to mere minutes.
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09/03/2021 14:28:12 8 8
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"He said an independent body should audit the plans"

For that, you need to have plans in the first place.

There have been 6 pandemics in the last century and still the UK was wholly unprepared for C19 - why would we be any different in future?

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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09/03/2021 14:33:08 2 2
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Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have politicians who are competent. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:40:06 2 0
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Now, I understand the word "politicians" and I understand the word "competent"... but you lost me.
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LS6
09/03/2021 14:28:55 30 8
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The govt needs to plan for more than just these pandemics.
Imagine if there was “solar activity” knocking out satellites and power grids. Even simple communications would become impossible.
How would such an event be handled? Emergency planning must be higher up the govts activity scale because they have been found wanting this time round.
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09/03/2021 14:33:22 2 3
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How much money do you want to spend on once in a hundred year event? Or in the case of there being a “Solar activity” that knocks out satellites and power grid something that has never happened before
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09/03/2021 15:20:51 2 1
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It (“Solar activity” that knocks out satellites and power grid) happened in 1989. It affected Canada and the USA.
Probably not reported in your newspaper though. Which would explain your ignorance of it.
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09/03/2021 14:31:23 24 9
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Mr Ashworth said ministers had been "unprepared, complacent and inept"

That about says it all. Doesn't matter which ministers, which party or what crises. Ministers are always unprepared, complacent and inept.
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09/03/2021 14:33:48 17 26
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Tory ministers.
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jay
09/03/2021 14:22:40 4 5
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Covid alert ??
Covid 20
En route
Pandemic ??
Pandemic ??
Pandemic ??

Just welcome your universal basic income
And smile ??
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09/03/2021 14:29:36 13 15
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Neither Labour nor Conservatives planned for a pandemic, spent money on PPE etc. in case.

Probably if they had done they would have been criticised for spending on something that might never happen if stuff went to waste.

I don't think any country did.

Bit rich Labour criticizing, dread to imagine J Corbyn handling this crisis.

Not a bad thing to learn and plan in case of another.
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09/03/2021 14:34:32 8 1
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The U.S. had a stockpile of PPE in storage for many years "just in case". When the pandemic started, much of it was useless due to deterioration over the years.
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09/03/2021 15:01:18 0 0
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The UK had a PPE stockpile, the Tories ran it down as a quick win for Austerity
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LS6
09/03/2021 14:28:55 30 8
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The govt needs to plan for more than just these pandemics.
Imagine if there was “solar activity” knocking out satellites and power grids. Even simple communications would become impossible.
How would such an event be handled? Emergency planning must be higher up the govts activity scale because they have been found wanting this time round.
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09/03/2021 14:34:51 2 2
bbc
Spot on, there are a wide and varied range of issues currently facing us including;
Pandemics
anti-biotic resistances
global warming
acidification of the oceans
sea grass and coral reef destruction (impacting ocean oxygen production)
water scarcity

I assume they have been planning for these sort of things but after covid i am not confident
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 13 22
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I find it unbelievable that people are actually defending this government.
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09/03/2021 14:38:41 12 2
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you would, as your hatred of the govt obscures you to rational observation. You are of the misguided opinion that Govts can stop pandemics
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09/03/2021 14:38:42 3 0
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Never mind, mate !

If you can't see why !
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09/03/2021 14:30:50 13 17
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Captain Hindsight with more rubbish....
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 6 8
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More sad deflection
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09/03/2021 14:37:21 0 2
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He must have approved this policy?
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09/03/2021 14:31:23 24 9
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Mr Ashworth said ministers had been "unprepared, complacent and inept"

That about says it all. Doesn't matter which ministers, which party or what crises. Ministers are always unprepared, complacent and inept.
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09/03/2021 14:35:09 3 4
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Very true. Mr Ashworth is an example of an enraptured politician
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09/03/2021 14:28:21 11 18
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Labour - playing games with everything as usual....
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09/03/2021 14:35:40 1 2
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It's a good idea, wake up!
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09/03/2021 14:36:15 16 13
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No wonder Labour is losing ground daily in the polls.

Soon, all they'll have left will be metropolitan elite, mass-immigration London.
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09/03/2021 14:40:34 2 3
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Tories pay for the polls

Are you really this easily taken in?
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09/03/2021 15:07:26 1 1
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But, it was the Tories that ignored the recommendations of the panel they set up specifically to plan for this kind of thing. You couldn't possibly condemn them for being incompetent though, could you?
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09/03/2021 14:37:03 3 4
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bpmkent,

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have competent politicians. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:42:28 2 6
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Again, I am really puzzled by the down votes here. Do you honestly think we should continue to be governed by incompetent but eloquent Clever Dicks?
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:47:35 0 2
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Personally I think Starmer seems to have the kind of logical thought processes and rounded outlook necessary to be a good leader.

Unlike Boris who essentially makes all his decisions in the context of how it will impact on him personally. Which is a terrible way to be making them, and doesn't require showing any leadership at all.
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 6 8
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More sad deflection
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09/03/2021 14:37:21 0 2
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He must have approved this policy?
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09/03/2021 14:29:39 83 22
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It had been held in 2016. Exercise Cygnus was its name. It’s results were not acted upon.
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09/03/2021 14:37:26 50 28
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That's a failing of management i.e. the tories on not acting on the results, but the activity itself seems to have been a sensible one
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09/03/2021 16:10:57 2 0
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Yes Labour had a similar exercise in 2008, the difference is that Labour introduced all the recommended changes immediately for the 2008 exercise, and the Tories ignored all the recommendations from Exercise Cygnus, and indeed did the exact opposite of many of them.
Even worse than that they actually reversed some of the changes Labour introduced as a result of the 2008 exercise.
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09/03/2021 14:37:32 45 31
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This is the UK's first real pandemic since the Spanish flu of 1919. In other words, a once-in-a-hundred years event.

Spending money on "germ games", to combat a once-in-hundred-years event is just a waste of money. Typical Labour nonsense. Nice work though for civil servants who get themselves cushy well-paid jobs, with gold-plated pensions of course, sitting around playing these games.
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:44:33 19 13
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Except the world is now a far more interconnected place than it was 100 years ago. We'd therefore expect the frequency of these events to increase.
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09/03/2021 14:47:13 2 1
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Agree with you on that one
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09/03/2021 14:47:35 7 9
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Don't worry, it'll be 100 more years until Labour get in power again, with or without a pandemic...
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09/03/2021 14:48:59 10 7
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Typical Tory Bot response. Instead of proper planning, we spend £Billions more than we should have on inferior quality PPE. Lack of correct PPE could have been addressed when we saw that Covid-19 had spread to mainland Europe; we chose not to; then contract awarded left, right & centre to Tory party donors for which much is fit only for the bin.
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Pip
09/03/2021 14:51:54 0 0
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Ther We Are Then...............?
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09/03/2021 14:42:26 1 5
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Yeah exactly ! The country is over populated any way so why should I let the lefty liberal do gooder soliticters in labour take money out of my benefits just to save a few old people !
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09/03/2021 15:01:01 3 0
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Worth adding too, that just because pandemics are generally "once-in-a-hundred years event[s]" does not mean they will happen every hundred years.

Gambler's Fallacy
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09/03/2021 15:06:44 6 0
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First pandemic since 1919?

No it isn't.

This may help you.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(2031201-0/fulltext
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09/03/2021 15:15:05 4 0
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Wow welcome to 20th century thinking. The world has moved on since then, people, goods, animals moved everywhere, regularly. The fact is this will happen again and it will be a lot fast than 100 years. We got lucky that SARS was such a bad transmitter or that had the potential for Black Death II. Remember what we are dealing with now does not even make it into the 10 top of deadly diseases.
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09/03/2021 15:16:54 2 1
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Wrong. The games are cheap. Implementing the lessons might not be, but then politicians will take the blame when they screw things up (something, in fact the only thing, that the current administration has been truly world class at doing).

Implementing the lessons from Cygnus would have been a heck of a lot cheaper than the £300 billion (at least) this Government has squandered on Covid.
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09/03/2021 15:21:15 2 0
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What about SARS and MERS?
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09/03/2021 16:39:12 4 0
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Failed to notice the AIDS pandemic did you?
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09/03/2021 17:21:52 2 0
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"It hadn't happened for 100 years before this, therefore it will be 100 years before the next one" is the type of dunderheaded thinking you might expect from a ToryBot.

It's a pandemic, not the appearance of Brigadoon.
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09/03/2021 20:21:06 0 0
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surely germs are ongoing and to survive we've always had to find cures. eg prevention from some of the past nasties like smallpox and the recent ebola and sars. We need to think ahead.
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09/03/2021 14:37:41 160 80
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Unprepared, inept and complacent yes. But who wasn't. But try to imagine where we would have been with Labour in power. Still in Europe and still waiting for vaccination.
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:43:33 61 122
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Being in Europe would not necessarily impact on vaccination. EU members didn't have to sign up to the vaccination scheme and EU members are free to approve vaccines in their own nation in emergencies.
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09/03/2021 14:47:56 6 14
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Is it NZ, Taiwan, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong or little old IOM?
Surely by now you are educated enough to understand that Bexit had nothing to do with the UKs vaccination programme

The UK made its plan whilst still a full member of the EU

Every EU nation was completly free to do as it wished regarding their redpective nations vaccination programme

This is all common knowledge jezz so please educate yourself before posting next time!!!
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09/03/2021 14:54:46 19 6
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"Whatifery" in it's purest form.
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09/03/2021 15:01:23 21 17
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Oh give up! Labour didn't get in and still the apologetics for the disgrace that is this government! Look at you trying to blame a government that doesn't even exist. Tragic.
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09/03/2021 15:15:41 9 9
bbc
Yes, it's whataboutery, but it's also worth remembering that we'd have Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott and Thornberry occupying the four great offices of state. That is so scary that the virus seems like a little pussycat by comparison.
Your point is aa ridiculous as saying that the reason the UK has the highest number of deaths per capita of any nation worldwide is due to Brexit

Or the fact we have the worst performing economy of any large nation on earth is due to Brexit
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09/03/2021 15:17:21 1 1
bbc
So you don’t think we should hold germ games?
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09/03/2021 15:18:06 6 4
bbc
"try to imagine where we would have been with Labour in power."

The tens of billions that went to Tory cronies would still be in the public coffers for a start.

Pitiful stuff
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09/03/2021 15:24:36 7 2
bbc
Blaming Labour! You couldn't make it up!
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09/03/2021 15:31:13 0 0
bbc
But but, but blither
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09/03/2021 15:37:24 1 1
bbc
Still in Europe that is a good thing. And is the best thing you can say is that this lot are incompetent but maybe Labour would be worst with no proof.
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09/03/2021 15:46:29 4 0
bbc
Exercise Cygnus, 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exercise_Cygnus

Many recommendations ignored.
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09/03/2021 15:48:41 5 1
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In a much better position as was NZ with the Labour party in power, or Denmark with their socialist government, or Canada vs the Trumpite right across their border.

Indeed when Labour had a pandemic exercise in 2008 they implemented all the recommendations immediately. When they tories had one in 2016 they ignored all the recommendations and did the exact opposite of many of them.
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09/03/2021 17:39:46 4 0
bbc
If Labour had been in power for the last 11 years we would still have a properly funded NHS and social care. We wouldn't have ignored the Exercise Cygnus findings and would have implemented them.

We would have behaved more like Germany, NZ, Australia, S Korea, Japan and Vietnam.

We would probably have enjoyed Christmas and be attending sporting/musical events, pubs etc.
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as
09/03/2021 20:50:19 0 0
bbc
Had the Tories not ignored the findings of the 2016 Cygnus exercise, we might have been considerably better prepared and resourced. But I guess you would blame Labour for that as well?
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09/03/2021 14:37:50 13 10
bbc
Regular exercises are held already to test response teams, but trying to plan for a Pandemic that will be global within 24 hours sounds like a waste of money and resources that could be spent more productively elsewhere.
Another soundbite from the "Benefit of Hindsight" Labour Party trying to be the party of "responsibility"
Passing an act similar to the "US War Act" would help us react better.
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Pip
09/03/2021 14:50:58 1 1
bbc
'Bongo' sums that comment up good and proper, just read it, it's non sensical.............?
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09/03/2021 14:26:30 10 18
bbc
Typical Labour, too little too late, seeking clarity on its plan, affecting lowest paid the most, one rule for them another the rest, equality gap widening, etc
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09/03/2021 14:37:57 2 4
bbc
Tory disaster, try to keep up!
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09/03/2021 14:38:06 2 5
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So do what we used to do

Gee Every company I know uses war rooms

This is just normal
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09/03/2021 14:38:40 8 13
bbc
There's no point in doing any exercises like that when the Cons simply ignore the findings, remember Exercise Cygnus that the Cons shamefully ignored in October 2016.

How many tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths did that cause?

The murderers should be taken to court.
Are you meant to be out? Removed
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09/03/2021 14:38:41 24 14
bbc
Another opportunity for Goldman Sachs and their likes to fleece the UK tax payer of billions?
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09/03/2021 14:50:07 17 8
bbc
What's an investment bank got to do with pandemic preparedness?

Besides, with the number of their former employees in government, including the chancellor, they hardly need new avenues for enriching themselves with public money.
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 13 22
bbc
I find it unbelievable that people are actually defending this government.
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09/03/2021 14:38:41 12 2
bbc
you would, as your hatred of the govt obscures you to rational observation. You are of the misguided opinion that Govts can stop pandemics
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Pip
09/03/2021 14:55:04 1 0
bbc
They could certainly have done better than they did, our death rate is totally undefensible...............?
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09/03/2021 16:16:26 0 0
bbc
You'll lose your mind when you look up the number of deaths in NZ, Australia, Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea..........
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09/03/2021 14:34:55 13 22
bbc
I find it unbelievable that people are actually defending this government.
55
09/03/2021 14:38:42 3 0
bbc
Never mind, mate !

If you can't see why !
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09/03/2021 14:28:44 30 33
bbc
It is the Tory voters who pay the taxes to pay for the NHS
56
09/03/2021 14:38:49 10 2
bbc
It's all taxpayers, but hey, keep talking rubbish
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09/03/2021 14:25:40 3 7
bbc
Rather than being prepared for any future epidemics why not ensure that those in charge are fit for purpose! So far as I am aware there is not test of competence for any of our MPs or government ministers. The Civil Service has competency requirements for every grade and role; why not our elected representatives? We have a First Minister in Wales with a degree in Latin!
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09/03/2021 14:38:56 1 3
bbc
I would like to know why those down voting the posting think it would be a bad idea to ensure we have competent politicians.
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09/03/2021 14:39:12 46 20
bbc
Labour quick on the draw as usual, there's no better way to plan for an pandemic that to actually have one, it's a bit like war really.
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09/03/2021 14:42:16 31 51
bbc
Not if like BoZo you ignore the findings.
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Pip
09/03/2021 14:47:32 4 5
bbc
A Pandemic and a war are about as far apart from each other as you can get. And planning is the obvious thing to practice, had we have taken any notice of Exercise Cygnus in 2016, we'd have been much better prepared for Covid, but we chose to ignore, and pick up the pieces instead...........?
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09/03/2021 16:18:41 2 1
bbc
We saw the effects of delaying lockdown in March 2020, and the Tories still ignored the calls from SAGE for a second lockdown in September until the virus wage raging across the country again.
Seems the Tories don't do learning from experience, just repeating the same failures again and again.
So perhaps another exercise where they have nanny on hand to explain the lesson to them would help...
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09/03/2021 18:37:55 1 0
bbc
The public sector are constrained by the Tory Government they work for... look up Exercise Cygnus and how the Tories ignored it!!

Also remember that the Tories have cut GDP spending on the NHS from 7.6% down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care onto it. Also take into account inflation & that health sector inflation runs much higher, and you should see the Tories are the problem!
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09/03/2021 14:31:47 6 6
bbc
Actually measures identified and acted on in 2018 are largely why we as a nation were at the forefront of vaccine discovery and supply. Other countries and organizations not so much..
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09/03/2021 14:39:27 2 3
bbc
Of course, we in the UK are so good that for the first vaccine we had Turkish scientists working for a German company making it in the EU then having a French company bring it to us... You're right, I was wrong.
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09/03/2021 14:32:32 38 10
bbc
It's called war gaming and is something many departments do, seems a very sensible approach
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09/03/2021 14:39:49 22 38
bbc
Maybe, with regular war games, the time it takes for Tory donors and friends of friends of cabinet minister's spouses to call up an get a juicy contract to supply defective PPE could be reduced to mere minutes.
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09/03/2021 14:33:08 2 2
bbc
Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have politicians who are competent. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:40:06 2 0
bbc
Now, I understand the word "politicians" and I understand the word "competent"... but you lost me.
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09/03/2021 14:49:49 1 0
bbc
Subject each electoral candidate to a competence test and we would filter out those who have no track record of delivering anything in the real world. It should be a legal requirement for all candidates to demonstrate a track record of achievement in the real world. In that way the words "politician" and "competent" could be used to describe an elected representative!
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09/03/2021 14:40:16 21 10
bbc
Although I understand why Labour might want to be seen as taking a lead, the incidence of UK based or truely global pandemics is relatively infrequent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
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09/03/2021 14:45:06 12 7
bbc
So your point is? Proper planning and preparation prevents poor performance. Just because something might not happen, doesn't mean that you don't plan and prepare for it.
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09/03/2021 14:54:04 1 2
bbc
Damn that Black Death... I won't be voting for the House of Plantagenet again
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09/03/2021 16:46:56 2 0
bbc
We don't have wars very often either, but that doesn't stop us having an army or training them to deal with one should it happen.
I've never had my current house broken in to in the 20 years since I moved in, but I still lock the door, and have an alarm.
My house has never burned down, but I still buy house insurance that cover the risk.

Understand yet?
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09/03/2021 14:40:34 2 1
bbc
Nothing to get excited about as it’s a standard approach
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09/03/2021 14:28:44 30 33
bbc
It is the Tory voters who pay the taxes to pay for the NHS
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09/03/2021 14:40:51 11 2
bbc
Unless they keep their money in Tory sanctioned in tax havens.
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09/03/2021 14:40:58 5 13
bbc
They already did this plan BEFORE the pandemic and it was a SARS type pandemic exercise. It is no use doing these and having a massively incompetent PM like BoZo who just ignored it and did everything wrong. Worst PM in modern history.
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09/03/2021 14:43:41 2 4
bbc
I seem to recall that it was the Cameron Government who carried out this exercise and it exposed serious shortfalls in the ability of the NHS to be able to handle such a scenario. instead of acting upon the findings, the Tory Government continued to cut costs; so we are now left with an NHS which has less beds yet are expected to cope with an ever increasing population. Nothing has changed.
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LS6
09/03/2021 14:28:55 30 8
bbc
The govt needs to plan for more than just these pandemics.
Imagine if there was “solar activity” knocking out satellites and power grids. Even simple communications would become impossible.
How would such an event be handled? Emergency planning must be higher up the govts activity scale because they have been found wanting this time round.
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09/03/2021 14:41:04 3 0
bbc
In this scenario and in a digital world I can tell you 100% what will happen, a complete breakdown of civil society within 24 hours.
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09/03/2021 14:30:42 14 12
bbc
It was suggested when Blair was in power, but he preferred to spend the money on buying votes rather than saving lives.
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09/03/2021 14:41:09 3 2
bbc
Or selling the gold....
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MVS
09/03/2021 14:41:31 94 30
bbc
Yet further blinding statements of the bleeding obvious from a Labour front bench so devoid of talent as to make one despair that they will ever properly hold the current government to account.
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09/03/2021 14:54:25 32 41
bbc
Yeah its obvious, so why isn't the government doing it? Have you ever heard of the emperor's clothes?
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09/03/2021 15:00:01 8 3
bbc
But, if it's bleeding obvious, why did the Tory government ignore it? Who are you criticizing here?
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09/03/2021 15:18:13 5 6
bbc
So why hasn’t Johnson done it yet?

Again Labour leading the way for U turn tories to ridicule then copy.

See also ; he wants to cancel Christmas, before Johnson cancelled Christmas
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09/03/2021 15:46:10 5 4
bbc
Labour to bring in the 'Stable Door' tax just as soon as the horse has bolted.
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09/03/2021 16:06:11 6 3
bbc
Compare to the Tory front bench...

Boris Johnson proven serial liar, a man who left his wife and children to move in with his mistress while his wife was battling cancer. Shown himself incompetent in every role he has ever had.
Priti Patel, twice found to have broken the ministerial code
Dominic Raab, so dim he sucks the light out of any room he enters
Richi Sunak, a failed investment banker...
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09/03/2021 16:09:42 5 3
bbc
It was so bleeding obvious that the Tories ignored Exercise Cygnus, which is in all intents and purposes what Labour is suggesting.
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09/03/2021 17:10:58 4 2
bbc
"Yet further blinding statements of the bleeding obvious from a Labour front bench so devoid of talent as to make one despair that they will ever properly hold the current government to account."

You got the afternoon Clowns shift? If its so bleeding obvious why has it utterly defeated the mediocre toff journalists that make up the ruling party?

Their family members are much richer though...
521
09/03/2021 17:41:28 1 0
bbc
MVS is Tory HQ!!
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09/03/2021 14:41:40 0 9
bbc
So in response, the Department of Health and Social Care trumpet the UK government's one (!) positive achievement, which has been to get the vaccinations out quickly. All the failures are to be ignored and brushed under the carpet! (And they haven't even commented on Ashworth's idea itself!)
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09/03/2021 14:43:18 1 0
bbc
Comment on Ashworth ?

We all know why !
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09/03/2021 14:39:12 46 20
bbc
Labour quick on the draw as usual, there's no better way to plan for an pandemic that to actually have one, it's a bit like war really.
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09/03/2021 14:42:16 31 51
bbc
Not if like BoZo you ignore the findings.
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gbs
09/03/2021 16:28:43 1 1
bbc
Funny, don't recall Boris being PM in 2016. Maybe he was on your planet?
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09/03/2021 14:38:40 8 13
bbc
There's no point in doing any exercises like that when the Cons simply ignore the findings, remember Exercise Cygnus that the Cons shamefully ignored in October 2016.

How many tens of thousands of unnecessary deaths did that cause?

The murderers should be taken to court.
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bbc
Are you meant to be out? Removed
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09/03/2021 14:37:03 3 4
bbc
bpmkent,

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have competent politicians. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:42:28 2 6
bbc
Again, I am really puzzled by the down votes here. Do you honestly think we should continue to be governed by incompetent but eloquent Clever Dicks?
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09/03/2021 14:49:28 0 0
bbc
We are not.
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09/03/2021 15:02:18 1 0
bbc
Compared to the alternative, who will only decide next week what they should have done last week
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09/03/2021 14:42:30 54 20
bbc
The man is a dunce

We had this

It was called Cygnus

Trouble is its recommendations weren't implemented
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09/03/2021 14:57:35 36 37
bbc
So, the Tories didn't implement the recommendations, but Ashworth is the dunce? How does that work?
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09/03/2021 15:18:40 6 3
bbc
You don’t have a problem with it not being acted upon?
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09/03/2021 16:02:28 6 3
bbc
So when people say how worse we would have been under labour if they had implemented Cygnus then we would have been in a better position but that's all supposition coming from Tories trying to make excuses for the worst most corrupt government that we have ever had in modern times coupled with a PM who is morally bankrupt
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09/03/2021 18:36:11 3 0
bbc
The public sector are constrained by the Tory Government they work for... look up Exercise Cygnus and how the Tories ignored it!!

Also remember that the Tories have cut GDP spending on the NHS from 7.6% down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care onto it. Also take into account inflation & that health sector inflation runs much higher, and you should see the Tories are the problem!
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09/03/2021 14:43:04 42 18
bbc
The last pandemic we really had animal based, Michael Foot & Jeremy Mouth. It was utterly devastating for Labour.
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09/03/2021 14:56:17 23 6
bbc
I wouldn't open your stand up routine with it........
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09/03/2021 15:19:53 3 5
bbc
Deflection from Tory failure.

Do you think there should be germ games and do you think operation Cygnus should have been acted upon?
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09/03/2021 14:41:40 0 9
bbc
So in response, the Department of Health and Social Care trumpet the UK government's one (!) positive achievement, which has been to get the vaccinations out quickly. All the failures are to be ignored and brushed under the carpet! (And they haven't even commented on Ashworth's idea itself!)
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09/03/2021 14:43:18 1 0
bbc
Comment on Ashworth ?

We all know why !
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09/03/2021 14:25:54 30 27
bbc
"Years of cuts to public services and austerity left our health and care services lacking the capacity needed when disaster struck." Exactly right. Tory voters: at the next election stay home to protect the NHS.
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09/03/2021 14:43:30 6 4
bbc
Don't forget Good old Tony and Bullion Selling Gordon maxed out the UK's Credit Card before they exited Government.
The Public Sector needs better Financial Oversight, ROI and more importantly Value for money for the public in terms of services.
The NHS is no exception to this and the "frontline staff" always bear the brunt of this and it has to change where they are held in higher regard Than MM.
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09/03/2021 14:57:14 3 0
bbc
It's going to blow your mind when you see debt as a proportion of GDP now champ............
492
09/03/2021 17:13:10 0 0
bbc
The Financial times did an analysis of the decision to sell the Gold. Their conclusion was that 'even with the benefit of hindsight the decision was the right one'
& in terms of 'maxing out the credit card' the 2008 banking crisis (caused by bankers like Richi Sunak) was small fry compared to Tory borrowing during this crisis.

Facts vs Tory propaganda
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09/03/2021 14:37:41 160 80
bbc
Unprepared, inept and complacent yes. But who wasn't. But try to imagine where we would have been with Labour in power. Still in Europe and still waiting for vaccination.
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:43:33 61 122
bbc
Being in Europe would not necessarily impact on vaccination. EU members didn't have to sign up to the vaccination scheme and EU members are free to approve vaccines in their own nation in emergencies.
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09/03/2021 14:51:14 17 4
bbc
So why did they sign up to the scheme and not approve the vaccines themselves?
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09/03/2021 14:57:27 20 13
bbc
"Being in Europe would not necessarily impact on vaccination."

But it obviously did though?

Why talk hypotheticals here? How anyone can think that the EU's vaccination programme, as ranging from actual, measurable performance metrics to appallingly bad optics such as Section 16 invocation and withholding vaccine to Australians, is anything other than "beyond terrible" is a mystery.
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09/03/2021 15:22:08 2 4
bbc
Of course it would. We would be lucky to have 1 m vaccinated by now let alone 22m. Worth Brexit on its own.
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09/03/2021 15:30:52 4 5
bbc
If the UK had remained in the EU I am 100% sure we would have signed up to the EU vaccination program. The reason being a pro EU vote in the Ref would have invigorated all the EU nutcases to ensure we were 100% supportive.

No way would the UK have gone it alone ... not a chance
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09/03/2021 15:32:20 2 2
bbc
EU countries agreed to a collaborative approach for the procurement of the main vaccines (Pfizer, AZ etc) to avoid a free for all. This as we have seen recently with the shortfalls, has impacted on their ability to vaccinate their populations as fast as the UK. The UK would have signed up to the group approach so yes, being in the EU would have had an impact.

Doesn't mean Brexit is good though!
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09/03/2021 14:40:58 5 13
bbc
They already did this plan BEFORE the pandemic and it was a SARS type pandemic exercise. It is no use doing these and having a massively incompetent PM like BoZo who just ignored it and did everything wrong. Worst PM in modern history.
78
09/03/2021 14:43:41 2 4
bbc
I seem to recall that it was the Cameron Government who carried out this exercise and it exposed serious shortfalls in the ability of the NHS to be able to handle such a scenario. instead of acting upon the findings, the Tory Government continued to cut costs; so we are now left with an NHS which has less beds yet are expected to cope with an ever increasing population. Nothing has changed.
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09/03/2021 14:43:54 56 11
bbc
You would expect senior officers in the NHS to be doing this routinely, just like military officers plan for wars. The public sector could learn from the military.
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09/03/2021 14:45:44 39 1
bbc
I entirely agree. Though last time I checked, the military was public-sector too :-))
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09/03/2021 15:01:05 7 0
bbc
So, the military isn't in the public sector now? That was privatised on the quiet!
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09/03/2021 15:09:29 4 1
bbc
You can plan all you want but if you are given neither power or money you will failed.
239
09/03/2021 15:19:18 1 2
bbc
Employ 17 year old northerners with no skills, Stick them on minimum wage
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09/03/2021 15:21:29 6 2
bbc
The Tory government - specifically Hunt - ignored the last such exercise and cancelled the ones planned after it.

Why waste money on keeping the filthy plebs alive, they'll only want to claim their pensions - and that money has already been spent long ago by the banks on ...er... themselves!

Oh yes - and a small percentage on Tory Party donations, naturally

Trebles all round!
447
09/03/2021 16:47:49 1 0
bbc
Military are public sector.
542
09/03/2021 18:18:10 4 0
bbc
The public sector are constrained by the Tory Government they work for... look up Exercise Cygnus and how the Tories ignored it!!

Also remember that the Tories have cut GDP spending on the NHS from 7.6% down to 7.1% and dumped unfunded social care onto it. Also take into account inflation & that health sector inflation runs much higher, and you should see the Tories are the problem!
586
09/03/2021 18:50:55 1 0
bbc
Not a lot of point if the Government who hold the purse strings ignore the results i.e. operation Cygnus.
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09/03/2021 14:44:13 7 3
bbc
You always plan to fight the last war.
Black Swans cannot be predicted.
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09/03/2021 14:44:25 5 3
bbc
And we know what will perpetuate the next pandemic ... international travel ... so lets all get flying again asap
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09/03/2021 14:37:32 45 31
bbc
This is the UK's first real pandemic since the Spanish flu of 1919. In other words, a once-in-a-hundred years event.

Spending money on "germ games", to combat a once-in-hundred-years event is just a waste of money. Typical Labour nonsense. Nice work though for civil servants who get themselves cushy well-paid jobs, with gold-plated pensions of course, sitting around playing these games.
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:44:33 19 13
bbc
Except the world is now a far more interconnected place than it was 100 years ago. We'd therefore expect the frequency of these events to increase.
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09/03/2021 14:47:28 3 1
bbc
It has been for quite a few decades and yet.....
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09/03/2021 14:51:17 3 3
bbc
I'm not so sure. The discovery of Zoom meetings , the 'green' agenda, and ever-more expensive fuel oil, may soon put an end to the period of global jet-setting.
553
09/03/2021 18:27:20 1 1
bbc
However you could eqally argue that international travel facilitates the rapid transmission of immunity. Thus preventing the establishment of isolated communities that become more susceptible over time.
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09/03/2021 14:40:16 21 10
bbc
Although I understand why Labour might want to be seen as taking a lead, the incidence of UK based or truely global pandemics is relatively infrequent https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_epidemics
83
09/03/2021 14:45:06 12 7
bbc
So your point is? Proper planning and preparation prevents poor performance. Just because something might not happen, doesn't mean that you don't plan and prepare for it.
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09/03/2021 14:45:24 3 1
bbc
"Since it was first published in 2008, its National Risk Register has identified a pandemic as the most serious threat facing the country."

It specifically mentions a pandemic influenza. We all know covid is nothing like flu.
284
09/03/2021 15:36:32 0 0
bbc
Irrespective of being influenza or not, a pandemic is a pandemic and should have triggered action earlier.
85
09/03/2021 14:45:35 6 5
bbc
Labour needs to train the British public how to live in caves to prepare us for when they scrap Trident & rogue states use us as target practice

Talk about the blind leading the blind
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09/03/2021 14:50:45 3 1
bbc
You were far better when playing in nets for Forest, Wales etc. I'd stick to that
79
09/03/2021 14:43:54 56 11
bbc
You would expect senior officers in the NHS to be doing this routinely, just like military officers plan for wars. The public sector could learn from the military.
86
09/03/2021 14:45:44 39 1
bbc
I entirely agree. Though last time I checked, the military was public-sector too :-))
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09/03/2021 15:09:24 3 3
bbc
If the government make any more cuts to the military, it'll be hard pushed to plan anything except for surrender.
87
09/03/2021 14:46:08 44 23
bbc
Yeah nice one Labour from Captain Hindsight...lets go the whole hog...why not prepare for an earthquake...or tidal wave...or alien invasion, any of those could happen in the next 100 years
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09/03/2021 14:58:53 30 25
bbc
Exercise Cygnus, October 2016.

Results ignored by Bozo and the Clowns. No foresight.
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09/03/2021 15:07:00 5 7
bbc
But this is Labour thinking forward. How can it be hindsight? Is English not your first language?
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09/03/2021 15:12:04 5 3
bbc
Earthquake unlikely. Alien invasion - meh. Tidal Wave - totally not ridiculous and we should have a plan in place.
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09/03/2021 15:20:41 1 1
bbc
Yea why not.
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09/03/2021 16:22:34 4 1
bbc
The hindsight of calling for a lockdown in September in line with the recommendations of SAGE...
How many months was that before Bozo took that advice?
Advice that could have realistically saved 80,000 lives if he had taken it at the time Starmer called for the action to be taken.

Tories still can't tell the difference between foresight and hindsight....
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09/03/2021 16:29:12 0 1
bbc
Not an alien invasion. Tony's still here.
596
09/03/2021 19:02:00 1 0
bbc
Labour's Captain hindsight, is totally outranked by the Tory's Major Stupidity and General incompetence.
656
09/03/2021 20:12:01 0 0
bbc
sure why not? Thought we'd just had the alien invasion.
88
09/03/2021 14:46:35 3 6
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Top of the national risk register and the Tories never prepared adequately, tens of thousands unnecessarily dead as a result, shocking.
Does one have to be a complete loon to be a Labour Party member or does it come with membership? Removed
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09/03/2021 14:50:18 4 2
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Membership, it's not a requirement - to accept a front bench position...
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09/03/2021 14:57:31 2 0
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Same can be said for tory party members as well remember brexit will be great its oven ready lets have our cake and eat it.£350 million spent on the NHS instead of giving it to the EU taking back control of our borders the list never ends.
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09/03/2021 15:05:34 0 0
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But, it was the Tories that ignored the recommendations of the panel they set up specifically to plan for this kind of thing. You couldn't possibly condemn them for being incompetent though, could you?
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09/03/2021 14:37:32 45 31
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This is the UK's first real pandemic since the Spanish flu of 1919. In other words, a once-in-a-hundred years event.

Spending money on "germ games", to combat a once-in-hundred-years event is just a waste of money. Typical Labour nonsense. Nice work though for civil servants who get themselves cushy well-paid jobs, with gold-plated pensions of course, sitting around playing these games.
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09/03/2021 14:47:13 2 1
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Agree with you on that one
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09/03/2021 14:47:14 1 1
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As if they don't already do this, and a myriad other local and national event scenarios up to and including the arrival of extraterrestrial starships.

What the Gov't of the day do with that info and which events they deem significant enough to spend budget on and prepare for - well that might be more worth arguing about.
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09/03/2021 14:28:44 30 33
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It is the Tory voters who pay the taxes to pay for the NHS
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09/03/2021 14:47:22 3 0
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I'm due a very big refund then
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VoR
09/03/2021 14:44:33 19 13
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Except the world is now a far more interconnected place than it was 100 years ago. We'd therefore expect the frequency of these events to increase.
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09/03/2021 14:47:28 3 1
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It has been for quite a few decades and yet.....
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09/03/2021 14:39:12 46 20
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Labour quick on the draw as usual, there's no better way to plan for an pandemic that to actually have one, it's a bit like war really.
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09/03/2021 14:47:32 4 5
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A Pandemic and a war are about as far apart from each other as you can get. And planning is the obvious thing to practice, had we have taken any notice of Exercise Cygnus in 2016, we'd have been much better prepared for Covid, but we chose to ignore, and pick up the pieces instead...........?
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OwO
09/03/2021 15:25:02 3 1
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You mean the report which suggesting utilising herd immunity as a significant defense? Funny, I remember you railing against that idea.
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09/03/2021 15:45:17 2 1
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"A Pandemic and a war are about as far apart from each other as you can get." Eh ?

Were you asleep in microbiology and immunology lessons ?
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09/03/2021 14:37:32 45 31
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This is the UK's first real pandemic since the Spanish flu of 1919. In other words, a once-in-a-hundred years event.

Spending money on "germ games", to combat a once-in-hundred-years event is just a waste of money. Typical Labour nonsense. Nice work though for civil servants who get themselves cushy well-paid jobs, with gold-plated pensions of course, sitting around playing these games.
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09/03/2021 14:47:35 7 9
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Don't worry, it'll be 100 more years until Labour get in power again, with or without a pandemic...
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09/03/2021 14:37:03 3 4
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bpmkent,

To use a popular quote - "The only thing we learn from history is that we don't learn from history"
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Societal amnesia! The remedy is to have competent politicians. People who have a history of delivering outcomes in the real world. People qualified and experienced in non-productive professions are unlikely to perform well. Just look at our current government and opposition leaders!
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09/03/2021 14:47:35 0 2
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Personally I think Starmer seems to have the kind of logical thought processes and rounded outlook necessary to be a good leader.

Unlike Boris who essentially makes all his decisions in the context of how it will impact on him personally. Which is a terrible way to be making them, and doesn't require showing any leadership at all.
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09/03/2021 16:31:46 0 0
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Oh Dear..
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09/03/2021 14:30:56 5 8
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What a very good suggestion

This lying corrupt useless Tory government

Have prepared for nothing other than giving their mate's money

Which they now expect NHS workers to pay out of their wages

Time for the Tory liar's and their corruption to go
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09/03/2021 14:51:03 0 1
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you'll get your chance to get rid of them late 2024
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09/03/2021 15:03:18 0 0
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You did not mention 150K deaths, makes a change!
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09/03/2021 14:31:34 32 24
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Hey, they DID run Operation Cygnus - and then ignored the results.

So there doesn't seem to be much point in "gaming" epidemics, at least so long as we have a Tory administration which deliberately underfunds public services.
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09/03/2021 14:33:16 11 21
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If they ignored the results then how come england has done so good in beating the virus ! Cant answer that can you !
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09/03/2021 14:54:58 6 5
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"Done so good". Yep, 125,000 deaths is indeed world beating.
Highest number of deaths per capita of any major nation on earth

Worst performing economy of any major nation worldwide

And "viva Brexit" calls that a success

Truely laughable comment from a probable Tory troll
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09/03/2021 16:51:56 1 1
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We have the worst death rate of any G20 country.

That is not doing 'good' in any form of sane calculation.
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09/03/2021 19:43:03 0 0
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130 000 dead is GOOD??? beggars belief.
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09/03/2021 14:33:46 6 9
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Tory failure deniers don't care if 150,000 people have died

They only care about the economy being DESTROYED by the Tory failure to deal with the pandemic properly

But they just blame the EU for it

Tory deniers are going to get a wake up very shortly
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09/03/2021 14:50:09 0 1
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Yet the WHO reveals the biggest threat to death from Covid is obesity ... the UK has an obesity rate of 60%
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09/03/2021 15:02:26 0 0
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Why this obsession with 150K deaths, so what should the Tories have done, wiseacre!
Perhaps you should have been co-opted into a lead role in our handling of the pandemic, then we really would be in trouble.
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09/03/2021 14:37:41 160 80
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Unprepared, inept and complacent yes. But who wasn't. But try to imagine where we would have been with Labour in power. Still in Europe and still waiting for vaccination.
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09/03/2021 14:47:56 6 14
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Is it NZ, Taiwan, Australia, Japan, Hong Kong or little old IOM?