'India favourites for T20 World Cup'
09/03/2021 | sport | cricket | 205
England limited-overs vice-captain Jos Buttler says India are favourites for this year's Twenty20 World Cup.
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09/03/2021 16:17:16 2 4
bbc
Not exactly going out on a limb there saying India in their own country, but the last one was there and they lost in the Semis. Anything is possible in T20 but one thing is for sure, Virat Kohli will get out for 1 if India make the semi final
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09/03/2021 16:33:11 3 4
bbc
Agree with this. Kohli might be the man of the high averages/chase master etc but to be a legend he needs to win some tournaments for India, not just bilateral matches.

But to be fair, that hasn’t really been done in this generation - Dhoni etc did it but they were the 2000-2010 generation.
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09/03/2021 16:17:55 10 6
bbc
Wouldnt surprise me if Silverwood tried to rest and rotate within the T20 World Cup itself! Such a successful experiment in India apparently....
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09/03/2021 16:19:09 3 5
bbc
India v England Final then :)
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09/03/2021 16:27:35 18 3
bbc
We miss you at Lancashire CCC Jos, remind me when did you last play red ball cricket for us? I guessing around 2years!
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jk
09/03/2021 16:40:34 4 4
bbc
I seem to recall he was 2nd/3rd choice keeper and couldn’t get in the Lance County side ??
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10/03/2021 19:42:25 0 1
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He’s garbage anyway, you’re not missing anything
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09/03/2021 16:27:58 5 3
bbc
Well England have a really strong squad as well, this siries is gonna be a cracker!
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09/03/2021 16:17:16 2 4
bbc
Not exactly going out on a limb there saying India in their own country, but the last one was there and they lost in the Semis. Anything is possible in T20 but one thing is for sure, Virat Kohli will get out for 1 if India make the semi final
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09/03/2021 16:33:11 3 4
bbc
Agree with this. Kohli might be the man of the high averages/chase master etc but to be a legend he needs to win some tournaments for India, not just bilateral matches.

But to be fair, that hasn’t really been done in this generation - Dhoni etc did it but they were the 2000-2010 generation.
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09/03/2021 16:34:34 1 13
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Of course India will win the T20 World Cup. Why is this even a story? It’s not even up for discussion or debate. The trophy ?? is coming back to the home of T20 cricket ??
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10/03/2021 00:44:34 3 2
bbc
Sure the English invented it!
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Mks
09/03/2021 16:35:38 9 4
bbc
India has not won the World T20 since the first one in 2007 in South Africa, when arguably Pakistan lost when victory was within their grasp, and not since the IPL first began in 2008. Why should that change in 2021?
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10/03/2021 03:22:11 1 3
bbc
Why not?
The racists medieval monarchy should be the immediate concern over who is favorite.
#Welcome2the21stcenturyBrits.
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ET
09/03/2021 16:51:09 3 3
bbc
Not sure you’re up to date. India is a democracy.
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09/03/2021 16:38:35 11 3
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India’s priority will be the WTC I think and trying to beat England this summer.

If they can hold 2/3 world cups then that’ll give them a boost into WC 2023 in India, but I think Kohli and the BCCI value test/50 over cricket more than T20s.

Should be an interesting tournament anyway. England made the final in Kolkata in 2016 and were denied only by Carlos Brathwaite hitting Stokes for 4 sixes.
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10/03/2021 04:21:43 4 2
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Remember the name.
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09/03/2021 16:27:35 18 3
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We miss you at Lancashire CCC Jos, remind me when did you last play red ball cricket for us? I guessing around 2years!
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jk
09/03/2021 16:40:34 4 4
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I seem to recall he was 2nd/3rd choice keeper and couldn’t get in the Lance County side ??
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10/03/2021 12:23:21 2 1
bbc
I quite like it that he is England's preferred wicket kleeper. It mean over at Surrey we gt to keep Foakes for the championship, the best red ball keeper batsman in the country.
The racists medieval monarchy should be the immediate concern over who is favorite.
#Welcome2the21stcenturyBrits.
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Mks
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09/03/2021 16:49:33 3 3
bbc
Who cares?
In the current environment just use 11 blokes in India who qualify to play.
Let the professionals come home, rest and give this trivia a miss.
The racists medieval monarchy should be the immediate concern over who is favorite.
#Welcome2the21stcenturyBrits.
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ET
09/03/2021 16:51:09 3 3
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Not sure you’re up to date. India is a democracy.
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09/03/2021 16:53:52 1 3
bbc
Quiet day in the Office it be then.

WC T20 not till October and anything can happen.

Yes we have the current T20 series to happen and nothing should be read into that either.

Plenty of time for Mind games and Media Trash talk to come and stories galore to stir and frenzy up some folks on here.
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09/03/2021 21:34:52 1 2
bbc
It must've been very quiet, Duncan.
Buttler has been quiet too.
Haven't heard from him since the 1st Test.
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09/03/2021 16:54:48 7 7
bbc
What is this obsession in English sport claiming the opposition are the favourites lol. Could you imagine Jordan announcing before a game that the opposition are favourites to win. Such a poor mindset and attitude.
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09/03/2021 17:24:38 12 2
bbc
Just imagine if we came out and said yes we can we in , etc ... Imagine the Social Media and Media comments and coverage. Either way they cannot win on the issues whether to say Yes or Underdogs.

Makes interesting reading anyway.
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09/03/2021 17:44:47 2 2
bbc
Seriously? I can only imagine they want keep the expectations under control as the world cup winners. T20 pitches tend to be pretty flat so where you're playing generally doesn't matter other than the crowd factor.
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09/03/2021 19:15:47 3 1
bbc
But then if English media and players come out and say England are favourites then go on to lose, they get lambasted and get called arrogant.

Classic case of damned if you do, and if you don't.
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10/03/2021 14:53:03 0 1
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Australia said the same during the last WC about England and so did Kohli. It's often used to pile a bit of pressure on the opposition especially if they are the host nation, it's whether or not you let it get to you that matters.
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09/03/2021 17:16:08 18 5
bbc
Best test side yes, best ODI side, probably, but T20? I am not sure about that, I am not sure that any team can really be favourites in this format, its so unpredictable, and anyone can beat any other team on any given day
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09/03/2021 18:21:48 10 19
bbc
The mighty kiwis were robbed in the WC and they sit proudly at the top of the rankings in test cricket and in t20 have beat aussies
So where do you get the dust bowls specialist are the best get them on fair wickets with neutral umpires is a bit different
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09/03/2021 16:54:48 7 7
bbc
What is this obsession in English sport claiming the opposition are the favourites lol. Could you imagine Jordan announcing before a game that the opposition are favourites to win. Such a poor mindset and attitude.
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09/03/2021 17:24:38 12 2
bbc
Just imagine if we came out and said yes we can we in , etc ... Imagine the Social Media and Media comments and coverage. Either way they cannot win on the issues whether to say Yes or Underdogs.

Makes interesting reading anyway.
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09/03/2021 19:07:33 1 1
bbc
And Australians claiming it was arrogance!
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09/03/2021 21:11:54 0 2
bbc
Than why the need to say that. Keep quite!
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09/03/2021 17:36:31 3 3
bbc
Sounds like an IPL love in
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09/03/2021 17:42:59 7 3
bbc
Is India strong? Undoubtedly. Is England evenly matched? I would say so. I reckon we have a good shot at winning too. Maybe Butler is downplaying how good England is in limited over formats. We are the world cup winners and better recognize that we are not the underdogs from the 90s/2000s.
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09/03/2021 17:49:19 3 9
bbc
Worst 10 years of English cricket, this latest series took me back to that period
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09/03/2021 16:54:48 7 7
bbc
What is this obsession in English sport claiming the opposition are the favourites lol. Could you imagine Jordan announcing before a game that the opposition are favourites to win. Such a poor mindset and attitude.
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09/03/2021 17:44:47 2 2
bbc
Seriously? I can only imagine they want keep the expectations under control as the world cup winners. T20 pitches tend to be pretty flat so where you're playing generally doesn't matter other than the crowd factor.
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09/03/2021 17:45:35 3 7
bbc
Buttler forgot to mention his bank balance. If unavailable for England due to IPL should never be picked again.
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09/03/2021 17:45:37 8 8
bbc
Joss "Teachers Pet" Buttler letting us all know which side his bread is buttered.

(Watched a charity match on one of the Sky Asian channels today: England Oldies vs Sachin's "Legends."
KP hitting eight sixes in every over getting polite applause and Sachin moves to second slip and its like the Beatles at Shea Stadium.)
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09/03/2021 18:00:32 9 2
bbc
....England won by 4 runs. KP 75 off 37 balls. Tendulkar b Panesar 9.
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09/03/2021 17:42:59 7 3
bbc
Is India strong? Undoubtedly. Is England evenly matched? I would say so. I reckon we have a good shot at winning too. Maybe Butler is downplaying how good England is in limited over formats. We are the world cup winners and better recognize that we are not the underdogs from the 90s/2000s.
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09/03/2021 17:49:19 3 9
bbc
Worst 10 years of English cricket, this latest series took me back to that period
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09/03/2021 17:45:37 8 8
bbc
Joss "Teachers Pet" Buttler letting us all know which side his bread is buttered.

(Watched a charity match on one of the Sky Asian channels today: England Oldies vs Sachin's "Legends."
KP hitting eight sixes in every over getting polite applause and Sachin moves to second slip and its like the Beatles at Shea Stadium.)
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09/03/2021 18:00:32 9 2
bbc
....England won by 4 runs. KP 75 off 37 balls. Tendulkar b Panesar 9.
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10/03/2021 03:23:19 2 1
bbc
Means nothing.
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09/03/2021 18:04:38 2 11
bbc
India will be favourites if they can take their own groundsman with them along with their own umpires

But the mighty kiwis will reign victorious just like the test championship
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Jay
09/03/2021 18:07:51 8 3
bbc
Give it a rest. Its boring
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09/03/2021 18:54:59 2 7
bbc
Its payback time. England and Australia have been fixing pitches for years
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09/03/2021 23:21:42 0 1
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Look at espncricinfo on stats on umpiring. It's a cricket site.
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09/03/2021 18:04:38 2 11
bbc
India will be favourites if they can take their own groundsman with them along with their own umpires

But the mighty kiwis will reign victorious just like the test championship
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Jay
09/03/2021 18:07:51 8 3
bbc
Give it a rest. Its boring
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09/03/2021 17:16:08 18 5
bbc
Best test side yes, best ODI side, probably, but T20? I am not sure about that, I am not sure that any team can really be favourites in this format, its so unpredictable, and anyone can beat any other team on any given day
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09/03/2021 18:21:48 10 19
bbc
The mighty kiwis were robbed in the WC and they sit proudly at the top of the rankings in test cricket and in t20 have beat aussies
So where do you get the dust bowls specialist are the best get them on fair wickets with neutral umpires is a bit different
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09/03/2021 19:51:00 6 3
bbc
You mean when they won in Australia with a 3rd string bowling attack and missing one of the very best batsmen in the world, THAT India?

Well aware of how good NZ are, and if they were playing literally anyone else, I'd cheer for them t win, there is a lot to admire about that team.

Would love India to win the WTC but if NZ win it, I'll be happy for them.
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10/03/2021 12:31:00 1 1
bbc
New Zealand weren't robbed. Rules were there before the tournament began not made up during the final. Before the the WC England were the best O.D.I. team around for the last 3 years and beat NZ in the group stage. Some tactics were a bit mad like DeGrandomme ducking under a bouncer instead of trying to do his usual 'Hit it out of the ground' method, Santner doing the same off the last ball .
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09/03/2021 18:22:50 6 4
bbc
I still think the Test team should be separate to ODI and T20. Reward the players that are available for Tests over IPL etc.
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09/03/2021 18:29:22 9 2
bbc
To add in some factual data - India are indeed favourites - you can get 5/2 about them . England are second favourites at 7/2.

Both seem a bit short to me. NZ at 9/1 sounds a fairly handy bet right now given they beat the Aussies in the most recent series.
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09/03/2021 19:22:59 3 1
bbc
Get on the mighty kiwis great be at 9/1 just like India was a certainty to win 3 1 after England had a fair pitch in the first test
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ron
09/03/2021 18:36:51 2 2
bbc
Let the mind games begin. Psyche the Indians and the Aussies.
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09/03/2021 18:38:20 4 2
bbc
Hopefully a better performance from England in the one day format than the test series. Hopefully England will play a full strength team.
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09/03/2021 18:41:23 7 5
bbc
The T20 smash and grab is anyone's tournament. Entertaining, yes, but it's not cricket and never will be. Far too much priority is given to this format, including some of our best internationals ruling themselves out of test matches against a very strong India side.
And don't start with the Covid bubble scenario, citing these players need a break etc etc ...
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ET
10/03/2021 07:14:01 1 3
bbc
How is it entertaining?
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09/03/2021 18:04:38 2 11
bbc
India will be favourites if they can take their own groundsman with them along with their own umpires

But the mighty kiwis will reign victorious just like the test championship
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09/03/2021 18:54:59 2 7
bbc
Its payback time. England and Australia have been fixing pitches for years
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09/03/2021 20:44:46 5 2
bbc
Really, Anderson and others are good at 'SWINGING' a cricket ball, I think you will find that swing is done through the air, nothing to do with the pitches which are Brown coloured not green, it's a myth which you are perpetuating.
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09/03/2021 18:57:10 11 4
bbc
I bet the surfaces will be absolute concrete roads....
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09/03/2021 19:10:07 14 1
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And so they will. Just proving what everybody thought about the test “pitches” was 100% correct.
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09/03/2021 20:57:15 1 5
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I see its still hurting...??
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09/03/2021 23:19:32 0 3
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FFC2. The most intelligent boy in his village. A small village..
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09/03/2021 18:57:14 4 5
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I agree with those saying that players who make themselves unavailable for England because they're on the other side of the world chasing big money playing T20 should never be picked again... a bunch of mercenaries don't make a good team. T20 isn't even proper cricket in my opinion... you may as well play rounders or baseball. And as for T10, no-one over the age of 11 should play that nonsense.
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09/03/2021 19:06:35 4 3
bbc
I agree. You can tell the level of interest in it by the small amount of replies on the HYS. Personally I will be avoiding it as it is not cricket. Every game is exactly the same: 160-180 each innings. What is the point of that? There is not enough time for the subtle nuances of cricket to come through. This is one part of cricket that I will never ask 'Where is Woakes?'
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09/03/2021 18:57:14 4 5
bbc
I agree with those saying that players who make themselves unavailable for England because they're on the other side of the world chasing big money playing T20 should never be picked again... a bunch of mercenaries don't make a good team. T20 isn't even proper cricket in my opinion... you may as well play rounders or baseball. And as for T10, no-one over the age of 11 should play that nonsense.
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09/03/2021 19:06:35 4 3
bbc
I agree. You can tell the level of interest in it by the small amount of replies on the HYS. Personally I will be avoiding it as it is not cricket. Every game is exactly the same: 160-180 each innings. What is the point of that? There is not enough time for the subtle nuances of cricket to come through. This is one part of cricket that I will never ask 'Where is Woakes?'
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09/03/2021 19:53:05 0 2
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Lol ... His busy promoting his new puzzle game.

Yes not in the squad so least time back in Blighty in the nice weather.

Yes the thread does seem rather subdued when T20 or the IPL/BB had any HYS Open.
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09/03/2021 20:40:09 4 2
bbc
He must have gathered a few air miles for someone who gets picked to sit around. The amount of tours where we see 'Woakes' in the squad list and then they ignore him is ridiculous. They don't always pick him for home Tests so if they are not bothered, as a Warwickshire member, they can hand him back to we can watch him.
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09/03/2021 19:07:14 4 2
bbc
Anyone criticising this needs to think - Buttler is an ECB employee, they will use players to send messages out to try to build pressure on the opposition. Whatever you think about what he's said, remember he's speaking the ECB's words.
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09/03/2021 17:24:38 12 2
bbc
Just imagine if we came out and said yes we can we in , etc ... Imagine the Social Media and Media comments and coverage. Either way they cannot win on the issues whether to say Yes or Underdogs.

Makes interesting reading anyway.
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09/03/2021 19:07:33 1 1
bbc
And Australians claiming it was arrogance!
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09/03/2021 19:29:51 0 1
bbc
Never ??
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09/03/2021 19:09:23 5 2
bbc
All those never picking butler again, I assume will not be selecting Moeen, stokes, archer, curren, Bairstow, Roy, Malan, Morgan for the test team.
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09/03/2021 21:54:15 1 4
bbc
It would be an easy stance to take for most of them, but they can't really leave Stokes out.
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09/03/2021 18:57:10 11 4
bbc
I bet the surfaces will be absolute concrete roads....
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09/03/2021 19:10:07 14 1
bbc
And so they will. Just proving what everybody thought about the test “pitches” was 100% correct.
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09/03/2021 22:34:35 1 7
bbc
The test pitches were roads too, at least someone on both sides showed that in every innings. Just not enough people in England’s case haha.
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ADG
10/03/2021 09:21:19 0 3
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Still smarting? Love that!
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09/03/2021 19:15:23 3 2
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Clever by Jos, knows exactly what he's doing here! Putting the pressure on India which they'll inevitably bottle, again
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09/03/2021 23:16:31 0 1
bbc
Lolol.
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09/03/2021 16:54:48 7 7
bbc
What is this obsession in English sport claiming the opposition are the favourites lol. Could you imagine Jordan announcing before a game that the opposition are favourites to win. Such a poor mindset and attitude.
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09/03/2021 19:15:47 3 1
bbc
But then if English media and players come out and say England are favourites then go on to lose, they get lambasted and get called arrogant.

Classic case of damned if you do, and if you don't.
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09/03/2021 19:19:17 4 3
bbc
Home team - and the top 6 T20 ICC rankings are so close I'd suggest there is little between them

I'd say this is true but probably doesn't need saying

And I'm sure it's a strategy to allow England to have some time to foul up their selection policy as usual

India doesn't have any bowlers in the top 12 and only 2 in the top 23

But it doesn't matter - batsmen win T20's bowlers lose them
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09/03/2021 19:21:35 2 2
bbc
Great, they can slog on a road which doesn't swing or spin
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09/03/2021 18:29:22 9 2
bbc
To add in some factual data - India are indeed favourites - you can get 5/2 about them . England are second favourites at 7/2.

Both seem a bit short to me. NZ at 9/1 sounds a fairly handy bet right now given they beat the Aussies in the most recent series.
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09/03/2021 19:22:59 3 1
bbc
Get on the mighty kiwis great be at 9/1 just like India was a certainty to win 3 1 after England had a fair pitch in the first test
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09/03/2021 19:28:51 17 3
bbc
The sad bit is that 20/20 cricket seems to be the way forward. A lot of players now do not have the skills, technique and patience for test cricket. Young players being developed through limited overs cricket.
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09/03/2021 20:00:51 8 1
bbc
It's a worry, indeed. Even schools cricket - the public schools which are often seen as the last bastion of "proper" cricket - is becoming focused on limited overs.

It feels as if, in the amateur game, only my beloved wandering clubs are still playing timed declaration matches.
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10/03/2021 10:04:31 0 1
bbc
They have the innate ability

But they may not have the technique to turn that into skills

Patience - well that was dirty word in the England set up under Bayliss and it's a long way back from there
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10/03/2021 12:24:10 0 1
bbc
It isn't the way forward, proper cricket followers know that. But India bankrolls cricket now so we have to put up with the IPL.
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09/03/2021 19:07:33 1 1
bbc
And Australians claiming it was arrogance!
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09/03/2021 19:29:51 0 1
bbc
Never ??
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09/03/2021 19:48:11 26 4
bbc
Anyone has a chance in the game of Hit and Hope.
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09/03/2021 20:34:19 13 2
bbc
You are bang on, the shorter the format the more every team has a chance. If we had T5, then it would even things up even more. If you look at domestic T20 cricket, Northamptonshire and Leicestershire have generally spent a lot of time in Division 2 of the championship but have won the T20 5 times between them.
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10/03/2021 09:36:36 1 2
bbc
Correct, provided England can manage to bat out 20 overs! They do have the Calypso Collapso technique in Tests so should be able to transfer the skills to T20
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10/03/2021 11:26:08 0 2
bbc
The facts don't really back that up. The T20 has usually been won by the best team
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10/03/2021 11:35:46 2 2
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Buttler is correct. India will win the trifecta: T20 world cup, Test World Championship and ODI world cup in 2023 being held in India
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09/03/2021 18:21:48 10 19
bbc
The mighty kiwis were robbed in the WC and they sit proudly at the top of the rankings in test cricket and in t20 have beat aussies
So where do you get the dust bowls specialist are the best get them on fair wickets with neutral umpires is a bit different
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09/03/2021 19:51:00 6 3
bbc
You mean when they won in Australia with a 3rd string bowling attack and missing one of the very best batsmen in the world, THAT India?

Well aware of how good NZ are, and if they were playing literally anyone else, I'd cheer for them t win, there is a lot to admire about that team.

Would love India to win the WTC but if NZ win it, I'll be happy for them.
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09/03/2021 20:51:32 8 2
bbc
I'd sooner New Zealand won the WTC although lucky to be there. They won 60% of their Test series compared to England's 66%. The whole format needs a rethink for next time and the ICC need to start doing something about it now or we will have the same farce again. If England had beaten India 2-1 in the recent series, Australia would be in the final having won 50% of their series. Stupid or what.
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09/03/2021 19:06:35 4 3
bbc
I agree. You can tell the level of interest in it by the small amount of replies on the HYS. Personally I will be avoiding it as it is not cricket. Every game is exactly the same: 160-180 each innings. What is the point of that? There is not enough time for the subtle nuances of cricket to come through. This is one part of cricket that I will never ask 'Where is Woakes?'
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09/03/2021 19:53:05 0 2
bbc
Lol ... His busy promoting his new puzzle game.

Yes not in the squad so least time back in Blighty in the nice weather.

Yes the thread does seem rather subdued when T20 or the IPL/BB had any HYS Open.
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09/03/2021 19:53:58 9 2
bbc
billy 59: 17:45
"Buttler forgot to mention his bank balance. If unavailable for England due to IPL should never be picked again"

Sorry, but that's a bit silly. Do you think the ECB doesn't work with the 'talent' to manage their availability? If Buttler weren't available for certain games because of IPL, it would definitely be with ECB's agreement.
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09/03/2021 20:53:19 7 2
bbc
Plus if he's not available they have Foakes to play so maybe not that worried.
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09/03/2021 20:59:47 5 1
bbc
Tbh of all the ones playing in ipl Stokes is the only one that would be a major miss in test cricket imo
The rest have equal players.
Something Dale Steyn said about the long term benefits of rotation means you have a bigger pool of players with experiancei
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09/03/2021 19:28:51 17 3
bbc
The sad bit is that 20/20 cricket seems to be the way forward. A lot of players now do not have the skills, technique and patience for test cricket. Young players being developed through limited overs cricket.
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09/03/2021 20:00:51 8 1
bbc
It's a worry, indeed. Even schools cricket - the public schools which are often seen as the last bastion of "proper" cricket - is becoming focused on limited overs.

It feels as if, in the amateur game, only my beloved wandering clubs are still playing timed declaration matches.
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10/03/2021 09:09:49 0 1
bbc
School cricket is only limited overs. I don't know of any school that played any test match cricket.
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09/03/2021 20:32:15 1 2
bbc
Q: If you had one cricket ball in one hand and another cricket ball in your other hand, what would you have?

A: A bloody big cricket.
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09/03/2021 19:48:11 26 4
bbc
Anyone has a chance in the game of Hit and Hope.
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09/03/2021 20:34:19 13 2
bbc
You are bang on, the shorter the format the more every team has a chance. If we had T5, then it would even things up even more. If you look at domestic T20 cricket, Northamptonshire and Leicestershire have generally spent a lot of time in Division 2 of the championship but have won the T20 5 times between them.
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Sam
10/03/2021 08:36:55 2 3
bbc
Teams like Northants and Leics have specifically prioritised the short form - that's part of the reason they do well. Bought players who specialise at it. Trained at it. The fact they *routinely* do so well, shows you that it isn't really chance.
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10/03/2021 09:08:48 1 1
bbc
T5 would be grossly unfair: it would have to be F5. Remember that T20 means "twenty-twenty" and T10 means "ten-ten".
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09/03/2021 19:06:35 4 3
bbc
I agree. You can tell the level of interest in it by the small amount of replies on the HYS. Personally I will be avoiding it as it is not cricket. Every game is exactly the same: 160-180 each innings. What is the point of that? There is not enough time for the subtle nuances of cricket to come through. This is one part of cricket that I will never ask 'Where is Woakes?'
56
09/03/2021 20:40:09 4 2
bbc
He must have gathered a few air miles for someone who gets picked to sit around. The amount of tours where we see 'Woakes' in the squad list and then they ignore him is ridiculous. They don't always pick him for home Tests so if they are not bothered, as a Warwickshire member, they can hand him back to we can watch him.
62
09/03/2021 20:58:33 2 1
bbc
Problem is will the same happen to Stone as well barring injuries.

Yes a nice tidy squad at Edgbaston now and more lads resigning new deals too.

We see how the summer goes.
34
09/03/2021 18:54:59 2 7
bbc
Its payback time. England and Australia have been fixing pitches for years
57
09/03/2021 20:44:46 5 2
bbc
Really, Anderson and others are good at 'SWINGING' a cricket ball, I think you will find that swing is done through the air, nothing to do with the pitches which are Brown coloured not green, it's a myth which you are perpetuating.
50
09/03/2021 19:51:00 6 3
bbc
You mean when they won in Australia with a 3rd string bowling attack and missing one of the very best batsmen in the world, THAT India?

Well aware of how good NZ are, and if they were playing literally anyone else, I'd cheer for them t win, there is a lot to admire about that team.

Would love India to win the WTC but if NZ win it, I'll be happy for them.
58
09/03/2021 20:51:32 8 2
bbc
I'd sooner New Zealand won the WTC although lucky to be there. They won 60% of their Test series compared to England's 66%. The whole format needs a rethink for next time and the ICC need to start doing something about it now or we will have the same farce again. If England had beaten India 2-1 in the recent series, Australia would be in the final having won 50% of their series. Stupid or what.
105
10/03/2021 00:38:49 2 1
bbc
I agree, the points system needs a bit of a revamp, as you rightly point out, it doesn't add up.

India are my team, it just so happens NZ are the only other team I root for, and you are right about how it doesn't quite add up how NZ got there. I suspect their series win against India last year may have played a huge part, yet they couldn't beat Australia.

This summer will be interesting
52
09/03/2021 19:53:58 9 2
bbc
billy 59: 17:45
"Buttler forgot to mention his bank balance. If unavailable for England due to IPL should never be picked again"

Sorry, but that's a bit silly. Do you think the ECB doesn't work with the 'talent' to manage their availability? If Buttler weren't available for certain games because of IPL, it would definitely be with ECB's agreement.
59
09/03/2021 20:53:19 7 2
bbc
Plus if he's not available they have Foakes to play so maybe not that worried.
60
09/03/2021 20:53:53 5 7
bbc
Okay, that's it.
Strip him of the vice-captaincy, rotate him for the next six months, make him open the batting & give the gloves to Bairstow.
68
09/03/2021 21:06:25 2 3
bbc
Ooh ..... Missus titter ye not.

Imagine the Uproar of that happening YJB not know if he coming or going.

Then again do they not do that anyway in the team when Jos and JYB play or that just my imagination.
Removed
35
09/03/2021 18:57:10 11 4
bbc
I bet the surfaces will be absolute concrete roads....
61
09/03/2021 20:57:15 1 5
bbc
I see its still hurting...??
56
09/03/2021 20:40:09 4 2
bbc
He must have gathered a few air miles for someone who gets picked to sit around. The amount of tours where we see 'Woakes' in the squad list and then they ignore him is ridiculous. They don't always pick him for home Tests so if they are not bothered, as a Warwickshire member, they can hand him back to we can watch him.
62
09/03/2021 20:58:33 2 1
bbc
Problem is will the same happen to Stone as well barring injuries.

Yes a nice tidy squad at Edgbaston now and more lads resigning new deals too.

We see how the summer goes.
87
09/03/2021 21:52:40 3 1
bbc
RIP JOEY BENJAMIN as well.
52
09/03/2021 19:53:58 9 2
bbc
billy 59: 17:45
"Buttler forgot to mention his bank balance. If unavailable for England due to IPL should never be picked again"

Sorry, but that's a bit silly. Do you think the ECB doesn't work with the 'talent' to manage their availability? If Buttler weren't available for certain games because of IPL, it would definitely be with ECB's agreement.
63
09/03/2021 20:59:47 5 1
bbc
Tbh of all the ones playing in ipl Stokes is the only one that would be a major miss in test cricket imo
The rest have equal players.
Something Dale Steyn said about the long term benefits of rotation means you have a bigger pool of players with experiancei
77
09/03/2021 21:38:47 5 1
bbc
I knew there had to be a benefit somewhere to all this rotation! :-D

More seriously, I have defended (to a certain extent) the policy of rotation - you need to manage resources to win the series, not only the next game. And blooding players when you can do it at relatively low risk is a very good point.

But that doesn't mean I defend the way they rotated the Test squad in India. That was shoddy.
64
09/03/2021 21:03:18 10 2
bbc
A bit of Psychology by Buttler, getting into their heads. Don't think they will take much notice. But anything can happen inT20 games. Games do not always go to form.
Buttler worth his place in the side. Keeping could improve but his batting can win a match when he hits his best form.
65
09/03/2021 21:05:32 16 1
bbc
Just so peopple know Nz have also said their players will be available for whole of ipl and will Therfore miss the 2 test series.
So not just the ecb making this decision
172
10/03/2021 12:22:07 5 2
bbc
Unfortunately India bankrolls cricket now, so we have to put up with the IPL and with some wickets that are not of test standard.
66
09/03/2021 21:05:36 4 1
bbc
England had always planned it this way to give as many of there T20 squad as possible experience at the IPL prior to this year's World Cup in India. The two home tests against New Zealand were added later, hence the potential clash.
67
09/03/2021 21:05:53 2 2
bbc
Jo,, by any chance did Morgan wrote this piece under your name. Good tactic thugh
60
09/03/2021 20:53:53 5 7
bbc
Okay, that's it.
Strip him of the vice-captaincy, rotate him for the next six months, make him open the batting & give the gloves to Bairstow.
68
09/03/2021 21:06:25 2 3
bbc
Ooh ..... Missus titter ye not.

Imagine the Uproar of that happening YJB not know if he coming or going.

Then again do they not do that anyway in the team when Jos and JYB play or that just my imagination.
71
09/03/2021 21:12:46 3 1
bbc
Nz also choosing to let their players play for whole of ipl.
Hmmm so what do you make of that seems all boards have now been "forced" to recognise that compromises have to be made.
79
09/03/2021 21:40:54 1 1
bbc
You may be right about the two of them alternating the keeping in 20/20, Duncan.
How do you & Wolf feel about Jos opening the batting?
Do you prefer him opening or coming in at the death?
69
09/03/2021 21:07:47 5 2
bbc
Home advantage - India has been making the most of it for decades. However, being favourites has been a poisoned chalice in the past, and in the short format could well be again.
18
09/03/2021 17:24:38 12 2
bbc
Just imagine if we came out and said yes we can we in , etc ... Imagine the Social Media and Media comments and coverage. Either way they cannot win on the issues whether to say Yes or Underdogs.

Makes interesting reading anyway.
70
09/03/2021 21:11:54 0 2
bbc
Than why the need to say that. Keep quite!
72
09/03/2021 21:18:25 0 1
bbc
Making a balanced observation and also another post similar reply too has been made in the same comments they being singled out as well.

Joys of HYS . Enjoy
68
09/03/2021 21:06:25 2 3
bbc
Ooh ..... Missus titter ye not.

Imagine the Uproar of that happening YJB not know if he coming or going.

Then again do they not do that anyway in the team when Jos and JYB play or that just my imagination.
71
09/03/2021 21:12:46 3 1
bbc
Nz also choosing to let their players play for whole of ipl.
Hmmm so what do you make of that seems all boards have now been "forced" to recognise that compromises have to be made.
73
09/03/2021 21:23:26 1 1
bbc
Yes just read your comments, perhaps they just waiting to see how the English trialled it and the response.

Many of the lads are in the IPL as it's a bigger Franchise Brand plus been around for longer too.

As we know many versions are being played to keep the interest and fan base enjoying the game.

As long as the game survives is the key factor.
70
09/03/2021 21:11:54 0 2
bbc
Than why the need to say that. Keep quite!
72
09/03/2021 21:18:25 0 1
bbc
Making a balanced observation and also another post similar reply too has been made in the same comments they being singled out as well.

Joys of HYS . Enjoy
71
09/03/2021 21:12:46 3 1
bbc
Nz also choosing to let their players play for whole of ipl.
Hmmm so what do you make of that seems all boards have now been "forced" to recognise that compromises have to be made.
73
09/03/2021 21:23:26 1 1
bbc
Yes just read your comments, perhaps they just waiting to see how the English trialled it and the response.

Many of the lads are in the IPL as it's a bigger Franchise Brand plus been around for longer too.

As we know many versions are being played to keep the interest and fan base enjoying the game.

As long as the game survives is the key factor.
74
09/03/2021 21:30:56 4 1
bbc
They said it 3 weeks ago but not reported which is strange that reporters saying the English players would miss the tests didn't add that in to the conversation.
Anyway seems that prioritising tests has gone now boards treating all formats equally.
73
09/03/2021 21:23:26 1 1
bbc
Yes just read your comments, perhaps they just waiting to see how the English trialled it and the response.

Many of the lads are in the IPL as it's a bigger Franchise Brand plus been around for longer too.

As we know many versions are being played to keep the interest and fan base enjoying the game.

As long as the game survives is the key factor.
74
09/03/2021 21:30:56 4 1
bbc
They said it 3 weeks ago but not reported which is strange that reporters saying the English players would miss the tests didn't add that in to the conversation.
Anyway seems that prioritising tests has gone now boards treating all formats equally.
82
09/03/2021 21:45:15 1 1
bbc
Has this been in the Pipeline for a while you reckon even before the Covid.

Maybe just waiting for the moment to bring it in seeing how the ECB work in mysterious ways.

Anyway it's done now so we march on and reap the rewards hopefully.
15
09/03/2021 16:53:52 1 3
bbc
Quiet day in the Office it be then.

WC T20 not till October and anything can happen.

Yes we have the current T20 series to happen and nothing should be read into that either.

Plenty of time for Mind games and Media Trash talk to come and stories galore to stir and frenzy up some folks on here.
75
09/03/2021 21:34:52 1 2
bbc
It must've been very quiet, Duncan.
Buttler has been quiet too.
Haven't heard from him since the 1st Test.
83
09/03/2021 21:46:56 1 1
bbc
Lol ... Quick on the button tonight.
76
09/03/2021 21:35:33 1 16
bbc
I'd be happy if T20, 100 and Test cricket died.

Just saying.

If there had to be a choice.
78
09/03/2021 21:39:56 3 2
bbc
To qualify that, ODI would offer enough with bat and ball

Whilst giving most paying public.

And Test is my preferred form.
80
09/03/2021 21:41:13 6 1
bbc
I’d be happy if opinions like that did.
81
09/03/2021 21:44:50 5 2
bbc
There's room for all the ones we have atm not the hundred and structuring needs to be better
85
09/03/2021 21:50:23 1 2
bbc
Personally I do think t20 international matches should be 1 or 2 a series leave that to the franchises.
I guess atm there are more due to upcoming wc
63
09/03/2021 20:59:47 5 1
bbc
Tbh of all the ones playing in ipl Stokes is the only one that would be a major miss in test cricket imo
The rest have equal players.
Something Dale Steyn said about the long term benefits of rotation means you have a bigger pool of players with experiancei
77
09/03/2021 21:38:47 5 1
bbc
I knew there had to be a benefit somewhere to all this rotation! :-D

More seriously, I have defended (to a certain extent) the policy of rotation - you need to manage resources to win the series, not only the next game. And blooding players when you can do it at relatively low risk is a very good point.

But that doesn't mean I defend the way they rotated the Test squad in India. That was shoddy.
90
09/03/2021 22:01:47 3 2
bbc
Certainly was and I hope lesso
ns have been learnt.
As I've said b4 Im more concerned about the poor selection.
4 seamers one game
8 batsmen the next sheer lunacy
76
09/03/2021 21:35:33 1 16
bbc
I'd be happy if T20, 100 and Test cricket died.

Just saying.

If there had to be a choice.
78
09/03/2021 21:39:56 3 2
bbc
To qualify that, ODI would offer enough with bat and ball

Whilst giving most paying public.

And Test is my preferred form.
68
09/03/2021 21:06:25 2 3
bbc
Ooh ..... Missus titter ye not.

Imagine the Uproar of that happening YJB not know if he coming or going.

Then again do they not do that anyway in the team when Jos and JYB play or that just my imagination.
79
09/03/2021 21:40:54 1 1
bbc
You may be right about the two of them alternating the keeping in 20/20, Duncan.
How do you & Wolf feel about Jos opening the batting?
Do you prefer him opening or coming in at the death?
84
09/03/2021 21:47:00 2 1
bbc
Death for me but I'd be flexible send him in from over 12 onwards
86
09/03/2021 21:51:45 1 1
bbc
One of those things is it not in T20 on the batting order to slightly tinker with.

End of the day it should ultimately be the player to say Yes I can go to Open or move up the order. Been there as a coach and captain asking lads on how they feel to open or bat in the order of which they feel comfortable

Yes Team game and flexible needed but common sense too

So it's a Yes/No ... We shall see
76
09/03/2021 21:35:33 1 16
bbc
I'd be happy if T20, 100 and Test cricket died.

Just saying.

If there had to be a choice.
80
09/03/2021 21:41:13 6 1
bbc
I’d be happy if opinions like that did.
76
09/03/2021 21:35:33 1 16
bbc
I'd be happy if T20, 100 and Test cricket died.

Just saying.

If there had to be a choice.
81
09/03/2021 21:44:50 5 2
bbc
There's room for all the ones we have atm not the hundred and structuring needs to be better
89
09/03/2021 22:00:14 1 2
bbc
Payment structure a lot better
74
09/03/2021 21:30:56 4 1
bbc
They said it 3 weeks ago but not reported which is strange that reporters saying the English players would miss the tests didn't add that in to the conversation.
Anyway seems that prioritising tests has gone now boards treating all formats equally.
82
09/03/2021 21:45:15 1 1
bbc
Has this been in the Pipeline for a while you reckon even before the Covid.

Maybe just waiting for the moment to bring it in seeing how the ECB work in mysterious ways.

Anyway it's done now so we march on and reap the rewards hopefully.
75
09/03/2021 21:34:52 1 2
bbc
It must've been very quiet, Duncan.
Buttler has been quiet too.
Haven't heard from him since the 1st Test.
83
09/03/2021 21:46:56 1 1
bbc
Lol ... Quick on the button tonight.
79
09/03/2021 21:40:54 1 1
bbc
You may be right about the two of them alternating the keeping in 20/20, Duncan.
How do you & Wolf feel about Jos opening the batting?
Do you prefer him opening or coming in at the death?
84
09/03/2021 21:47:00 2 1
bbc
Death for me but I'd be flexible send him in from over 12 onwards
76
09/03/2021 21:35:33 1 16
bbc
I'd be happy if T20, 100 and Test cricket died.

Just saying.

If there had to be a choice.
85
09/03/2021 21:50:23 1 2
bbc
Personally I do think t20 international matches should be 1 or 2 a series leave that to the franchises.
I guess atm there are more due to upcoming wc
79
09/03/2021 21:40:54 1 1
bbc
You may be right about the two of them alternating the keeping in 20/20, Duncan.
How do you & Wolf feel about Jos opening the batting?
Do you prefer him opening or coming in at the death?
86
09/03/2021 21:51:45 1 1
bbc
One of those things is it not in T20 on the batting order to slightly tinker with.

End of the day it should ultimately be the player to say Yes I can go to Open or move up the order. Been there as a coach and captain asking lads on how they feel to open or bat in the order of which they feel comfortable

Yes Team game and flexible needed but common sense too

So it's a Yes/No ... We shall see
62
09/03/2021 20:58:33 2 1
bbc
Problem is will the same happen to Stone as well barring injuries.

Yes a nice tidy squad at Edgbaston now and more lads resigning new deals too.

We see how the summer goes.
87
09/03/2021 21:52:40 3 1
bbc
RIP JOEY BENJAMIN as well.
91
09/03/2021 22:08:06 2 1
bbc
Wow! just heard, what a great shame.
40
09/03/2021 19:09:23 5 2
bbc
All those never picking butler again, I assume will not be selecting Moeen, stokes, archer, curren, Bairstow, Roy, Malan, Morgan for the test team.
88
09/03/2021 21:54:15 1 4
bbc
It would be an easy stance to take for most of them, but they can't really leave Stokes out.
81
09/03/2021 21:44:50 5 2
bbc
There's room for all the ones we have atm not the hundred and structuring needs to be better
89
09/03/2021 22:00:14 1 2
bbc
Payment structure a lot better
77
09/03/2021 21:38:47 5 1
bbc
I knew there had to be a benefit somewhere to all this rotation! :-D

More seriously, I have defended (to a certain extent) the policy of rotation - you need to manage resources to win the series, not only the next game. And blooding players when you can do it at relatively low risk is a very good point.

But that doesn't mean I defend the way they rotated the Test squad in India. That was shoddy.
90
09/03/2021 22:01:47 3 2
bbc
Certainly was and I hope lesso
ns have been learnt.
As I've said b4 Im more concerned about the poor selection.
4 seamers one game
8 batsmen the next sheer lunacy
87
09/03/2021 21:52:40 3 1
bbc
RIP JOEY BENJAMIN as well.
91
09/03/2021 22:08:06 2 1
bbc
Wow! just heard, what a great shame.
Only a moron would put a 'Thumbs down' when a person who has just died is mentioned. Removed
92
09/03/2021 22:10:21 24 2
bbc
Just read a lovely article about Chris Woakes that queries why he doesn't get more games for England because: 'He reached the milestone of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets in fewer Tests than Stokes and Sir Garry Sobers. Despite having a better bowling average at home in Test cricket than James Anderson and Broad. Despite taking more ODI wickets than Sir Ian Botham, from fewer matches.'
A mystery.
96
09/03/2021 22:21:28 12 3
bbc
I think the main reason is that he averages over 50 with the ball and 19 with the bat in overseas tests and 22 with the ball and 35 with the bat in home tests. Chris Woakes is one of my favourite players, but his record away from home isn't really good enough to warrant a place in the side when England go abroad.
197
10/03/2021 14:04:06 1 1
bbc
Considering players from around the cricket playing countries, It is a very rare player who performs better abroad than at home.
94
09/03/2021 22:15:27 4 8
bbc
Why BBC cricket columns haven't shown the news on EDM on racial issues in the UK?
114
10/03/2021 06:11:03 1 7
bbc
Because most posters here cannot read.
92
09/03/2021 22:10:21 24 2
bbc
Just read a lovely article about Chris Woakes that queries why he doesn't get more games for England because: 'He reached the milestone of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets in fewer Tests than Stokes and Sir Garry Sobers. Despite having a better bowling average at home in Test cricket than James Anderson and Broad. Despite taking more ODI wickets than Sir Ian Botham, from fewer matches.'
A mystery.
96
09/03/2021 22:21:28 12 3
bbc
I think the main reason is that he averages over 50 with the ball and 19 with the bat in overseas tests and 22 with the ball and 35 with the bat in home tests. Chris Woakes is one of my favourite players, but his record away from home isn't really good enough to warrant a place in the side when England go abroad.
109
10/03/2021 01:06:53 4 3
bbc
So it's the same as most of them that do go.
157
10/03/2021 11:56:17 4 1
bbc
He will never get the chance to improve if not given the chance.
170
10/03/2021 12:20:34 0 1
bbc
Agreed, He seems to be a really decent bloke and a top quality cricketer, but Stokes is the incumbent allrounder, and comes with that magical self belief that can rub off on the rest of the team, which is something beyond technical capability that few players have.
41
09/03/2021 19:10:07 14 1
bbc
And so they will. Just proving what everybody thought about the test “pitches” was 100% correct.
97
09/03/2021 22:34:35 1 7
bbc
The test pitches were roads too, at least someone on both sides showed that in every innings. Just not enough people in England’s case haha.
165
10/03/2021 12:14:21 1 1
bbc
You obviously do not know what you are talking about. It only needs 2 sentences and you have proved it.
98
cjb
09/03/2021 23:13:41 2 8
bbc
If Guptill fires, the rest can forget it.

ABs for revenge in final. Bring it on
42
09/03/2021 19:15:23 3 2
bbc
Clever by Jos, knows exactly what he's doing here! Putting the pressure on India which they'll inevitably bottle, again
99
09/03/2021 23:16:31 0 1
bbc
Lolol.
35
09/03/2021 18:57:10 11 4
bbc
I bet the surfaces will be absolute concrete roads....
100
09/03/2021 23:19:32 0 3
bbc
FFC2. The most intelligent boy in his village. A small village..