'Hybrid working will become the norm'
09/03/2021 | news | business | 250
The return to the office after the pandemic will be only partial, says global workspace provider IWG.
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09/03/2021 12:21:34 17 6
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Working from home makes sense if you have a home that allows you to work from it otherwise it is a pain.
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09/03/2021 12:29:52 13 7
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It can also be very isolating.
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09/03/2021 12:23:21 7 17
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Everyone must work from home all the time to save the planet, the gases created travelling to work are destroying the planet and must stop
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MVS
09/03/2021 12:26:34 7 4
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Bless!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:23:27 9 14
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Hard doubt.

While some individuals might enjoy working from home, the negative impact to collaboration is clear.

Good luck too, being recognised properly if you're hardly ever around.
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09/03/2021 12:28:48 17 1
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The proposal was for hybrid working.

I think commuting 2 days a week would be a good compromise (if compromise is possible on HYS!)
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09/03/2021 12:30:15 3 2
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I agree with your main point but I still feel a hybrid approach can work as a lot of roles that require collaboration don’t require people to be side by side the whole time.

Structuring it might be the challenge so let’s hope HR teams are on top of it..
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09/03/2021 12:59:27 6 1
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Why?

I can speak/see any of my staff at a moments notice to colaborate- Microsoft Teams, telephone and WhatsApp
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09/03/2021 13:58:36 1 0
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Says the landlord of a commercial property
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09/03/2021 12:23:45 18 3
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I can see that becoming the norm for those that are able to work from home. Hopefully it could prove greener and bring more housing back to the city centres in place of offices.
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09/03/2021 13:44:32 1 1
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Housing is a good idea if there was any reason to live in the town/city centre. The supermarkets moved out years ago and the independents can't trade cheaply enough to attract the locals.
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MVS
09/03/2021 12:26:08 50 3
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It's been the norm for me and my companies for 20 years. I have always encouraged my staff to work from home if it better suited them on any given day. As long as the work gets done, why should any of us care where and when it is done?
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09/03/2021 14:12:28 5 0
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Ironically and amusingly, right next to this article about the new "Norm" is one entitled Unilever drops word 'normal'......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56331524
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09/03/2021 12:26:27 35 6
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Excellent idea and I know my workplace are considering it. Yes it’ll damage the sandwich and coffee shop industry but it’ll be beneficial for the environment and for most workers pockets as well as their wellbeing.
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09/03/2021 14:10:37 14 0
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The local sandwich and coffee shop businesses with thrive though - they certainly are where I live. Totally agree with your other points.
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09/03/2021 12:26:33 19 3
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I considered myself fortunate because I was already split between home & office working before the lockdown & found the transition very easy.

I've always found real benefits to having the split work life and am glad that others will also have the opportunity to enjoy the same benefits, from spending more time with family to working with fewer distractions.
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09/03/2021 12:23:21 7 17
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Everyone must work from home all the time to save the planet, the gases created travelling to work are destroying the planet and must stop
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MVS
09/03/2021 12:26:34 7 4
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Bless!
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09/03/2021 15:26:51 1 2
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This is why the planet is doomed, too many folk with your attitude. You think it`s a big joke but you won`t be laughing when we are all roasted alive
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09/03/2021 12:26:40 10 11
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Prof Whitty gave a stark warning today. There will be a third wave and more deaths even when the vaccination programme is complete. The vaccine is only partially effective. Work from home as much as you can.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:29:38 7 10
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If the options are:

1) Stay at home forever
2) Risk catching a disease with minimal fatality rates

I know which option everyone's choosing. Stay living in fear if you insist, the rest of us will get on with our lives.
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09/03/2021 12:35:18 2 4
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He said those whom chose not to vaccinate and those for whom the vaccine is ineffective

Won’t be anywhere near the numbers we had earlier in the pandemic so stop spreading the irrational fear
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09/03/2021 12:27:13 12 11
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The trouble with people who don't want to ever have to go back to work is that this just puts them at the top of the list for off-shoring. If you can do the job totally remotely, why can't someone in a lower paid country?

Groups of people are more creative and most people miss aspects of collaborative working. I think we've proved that we can work from home, but personally I prefer the office.
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09/03/2021 12:33:44 10 3
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They tried it years ago and it just didn’t work in most cases

Contact centres are a case in point

Plus if you’re needed in the office like I am 2 days a month it’s not that cheap having 12 return flights a year from Mumbai
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09/03/2021 12:27:47 10 3
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Let's say someone paid £5k for an annual season ticket to commute.

If they now work 3 days a week in the office and 2 days from home, that season ticket has to cost £3k or less to be viable. Which begs the question how can transport companies afford to keep them running? It will also cause a shift into what the new "peak" days and hours are.
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09/03/2021 12:36:04 5 1
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Good?
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09/03/2021 12:38:32 7 0
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Exactly. The train companies have been dragging their feet on this for a decade. They will do everything they can to resist flexible ticketing.

Interesting that TfL have been doing something like this for many years now: you can pay AFTER using the service, if you want, not before.

The whole ticketing model has to change.
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09/03/2021 14:33:21 0 0
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Flexible ticketing will have to be the way forward but I think this will come with a newly nationalised rail service. Train companies won't be financially viable if they're only operating at 20% of pre-Covid capacity if most of their users are now working from home around 4 days a week.
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09/03/2021 12:28:16 15 4
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Throughout history the economy has evolved with technology, and will continue to evolve. Increasing remote working for those that can is part of that evolution.

If businesses reliant on office use diminish, other sectors will be boosted, just like with evolution before, and should also be utilised also allow more of the workforce to vacate London and support other areas more.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:23:27 9 14
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Hard doubt.

While some individuals might enjoy working from home, the negative impact to collaboration is clear.

Good luck too, being recognised properly if you're hardly ever around.
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09/03/2021 12:28:48 17 1
bbc
The proposal was for hybrid working.

I think commuting 2 days a week would be a good compromise (if compromise is possible on HYS!)
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:31:15 3 5
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Why though? In most cases there aren't any real benefits and you're just slowing down everyone else.
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09/03/2021 12:26:40 10 11
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Prof Whitty gave a stark warning today. There will be a third wave and more deaths even when the vaccination programme is complete. The vaccine is only partially effective. Work from home as much as you can.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:29:38 7 10
bbc
If the options are:

1) Stay at home forever
2) Risk catching a disease with minimal fatality rates

I know which option everyone's choosing. Stay living in fear if you insist, the rest of us will get on with our lives.
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09/03/2021 12:21:34 17 6
bbc
Working from home makes sense if you have a home that allows you to work from it otherwise it is a pain.
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09/03/2021 12:29:52 13 7
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It can also be very isolating.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:23:27 9 14
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Hard doubt.

While some individuals might enjoy working from home, the negative impact to collaboration is clear.

Good luck too, being recognised properly if you're hardly ever around.
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09/03/2021 12:30:15 3 2
bbc
I agree with your main point but I still feel a hybrid approach can work as a lot of roles that require collaboration don’t require people to be side by side the whole time.

Structuring it might be the challenge so let’s hope HR teams are on top of it..
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09/03/2021 12:30:44 31 4
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Working from home would improve work / life balance and benefit environment, not to reducing / removing commuting costs.

In turn, this will reduce the need for office space and mean that people don't need to live as close to their employer's site - which will reduce the need for office provision, most especially in London.

Win / win, it seems - apart from those who like to micromanage staff...
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:33:33 7 23
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And apart from those who like to work effectively as a team.

It's not about what you personally want, but how to effectively contribute to your job.
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09/03/2021 18:07:07 0 0
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Not win for your pension which is probably invested in commercial property companies. Not a win for the cleaners & other lowly paid maintenance people who service those offices. Not a win for city centres or for the train companies. Not a win for the Treasury with lost VAT, PAYE, NIC, business rates. Fine don't return to the office. Stay at home & pay higher tax instead. No win for you now
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09/03/2021 12:30:50 6 6
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It all looks rosy until you realise that your employer needs to monitor every second of your working day.

I did work for a global player that introduced "working from home" as a concept. It became obvious after six months that closer monitoring was required if the practice was to continue. They now have a programme which not only looks at what you are doing on the lap top but also the phone.
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09/03/2021 12:32:34 8 3
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Why does your employer need to monitor every second of your working day?
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09/03/2021 12:34:46 5 2
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A previous tried that this then scrapped it for nearly all job roles. A weekly catch up over deliveries for the past week will suffice for nearly all job roles. For call center roles the monitoring s/ware might be appropriate. Any company that tries to use this will have to pay more or find it harder to attract the better candidates. It's a high tech soln for an outdated management style.
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09/03/2021 12:35:42 3 2
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Then you’re fine as long as you’re doing what you’re supposed to be doing. If not......
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09/03/2021 12:52:06 1 2
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So you are saying "What is the point of working from home if I can't cheat"?
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09/03/2021 12:28:48 17 1
bbc
The proposal was for hybrid working.

I think commuting 2 days a week would be a good compromise (if compromise is possible on HYS!)
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:31:15 3 5
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Why though? In most cases there aren't any real benefits and you're just slowing down everyone else.
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09/03/2021 12:40:23 4 1
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In your opinion.
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09/03/2021 12:30:50 6 6
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It all looks rosy until you realise that your employer needs to monitor every second of your working day.

I did work for a global player that introduced "working from home" as a concept. It became obvious after six months that closer monitoring was required if the practice was to continue. They now have a programme which not only looks at what you are doing on the lap top but also the phone.
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09/03/2021 12:32:34 8 3
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Why does your employer need to monitor every second of your working day?
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09/03/2021 12:30:44 31 4
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Working from home would improve work / life balance and benefit environment, not to reducing / removing commuting costs.

In turn, this will reduce the need for office space and mean that people don't need to live as close to their employer's site - which will reduce the need for office provision, most especially in London.

Win / win, it seems - apart from those who like to micromanage staff...
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:33:33 7 23
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And apart from those who like to work effectively as a team.

It's not about what you personally want, but how to effectively contribute to your job.
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09/03/2021 12:40:23 14 1
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Does a team only function if it is co-located?

Then there are modern communications systems to consider - which reduce the need for, often timewasting, face-to-face meetings.
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09/03/2021 14:30:22 11 1
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E-mail, telephone, Skype, Microsoft Teams and Zoom ring any bells? Heck, we even have a team WhatsApp group for more informal stuff. It's easily done.
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09/03/2021 14:38:01 6 1
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I like to work effectively as a team and have done so for several years. Even before the pandemic my team would be based in London, Edinburgh, Poland and various bits of India. Doesn't impact us one bit. Not the same for all businesses but hopefully they can adapt.
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09/03/2021 15:03:05 0 2
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In reality things are lost with remote work, the cohesion and functionality between staff members declines and the ability to measure remote workers starts to become prime - with laptop-tracing software that takes a photo of the user every few minutes and monitors their work far more than when in the office.
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09/03/2021 15:36:21 2 0
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Not many jobs need staff all pulling the same rope at the same time in the same place place any more! The modern internet and phone communications make the world one office. These will only get better and more possibly as VR grows.
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09/03/2021 12:33:43 80 4
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Not commuting in the London rush hour had great benefits for mental health. Rat race!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:35:39 17 61
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That's a situation you put yourself in. Work and/or live elsewhere and you can easily avoid this without having to skive.
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09/03/2021 12:27:13 12 11
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The trouble with people who don't want to ever have to go back to work is that this just puts them at the top of the list for off-shoring. If you can do the job totally remotely, why can't someone in a lower paid country?

Groups of people are more creative and most people miss aspects of collaborative working. I think we've proved that we can work from home, but personally I prefer the office.
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09/03/2021 12:33:44 10 3
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They tried it years ago and it just didn’t work in most cases

Contact centres are a case in point

Plus if you’re needed in the office like I am 2 days a month it’s not that cheap having 12 return flights a year from Mumbai
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09/03/2021 12:33:58 90 4
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Due to less travel costs we'll have more money in our pockets.
Less traffic on the road, crowded trains etc.
We've worked from home for a year with the same output, if not more, so why not?

This should of happened a long time ago with the likes on VPN being available
to the masses
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ljs
09/03/2021 12:47:47 41 5
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Agreed SHOULD have happened 20 years ago.
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09/03/2021 14:47:06 3 11
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Would you be therefore willing to accept a pay cut as the cost of your commute will be factored in to your wages?
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09/03/2021 15:04:28 5 4
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Gives your employer an opportunity to pay you less going forwards as they can find a far wider range of replacements.
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09/03/2021 15:12:24 8 3
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The same output??? No matter which company I had to deal with during the lockdown, always Ive been told that due to the WFH I need to wait longer in the que or service is not fully provided etc. I can understand that for some employees its ideal but for me as a customer its not the most pleasant experience.
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09/03/2021 15:19:14 3 1
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No! What will and must happen is pay will fall. There will be plenty very happy to take jobs at lower pay to work at home. There will be competition to get them and the better life that goes with it. Much lower pay can be offered. Customers get a better deal. All gain not just the employee hanging on to higher pay.
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09/03/2021 19:31:33 0 0
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But presumably you worked where you did because they paid you a salary which meant it was worth it. I quite understand why you are happy to get the same salary without the commute, but the reality will be over time that companies will reduce salaries, not yours, but when they recruit
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09/03/2021 12:33:58 12 6
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It will not take long for employers to notice that employees are saving money in commuting costs and use that as an excuse to pay less.
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09/03/2021 12:36:52 16 0
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If you just spend it on train fares who cares
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09/03/2021 15:05:12 0 0
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And for them to notice that Pavel who used to live in the UK but now lives in Poland can do the job at half the wage.
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Ads
09/03/2021 15:20:12 0 0
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Employers pay as little as they can get away with; this changes nothing
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09/03/2021 12:34:29 67 4
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“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” - Lenin

Covid has meant we have participated in the largest WFH trial ever.
The benefits to the employee, employer and society ( including the environment ) is clear to see.
Companies that don't offer hybrid working will be reducing their access to talent.
This is our generations 40 hour work week.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
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"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
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09/03/2021 14:22:23 4 0
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“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” - Lenin

So true, I now know why the chinese saying of "may you live in interesting times" is actually a curse and not an aspiration
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09/03/2021 12:30:50 6 6
bbc
It all looks rosy until you realise that your employer needs to monitor every second of your working day.

I did work for a global player that introduced "working from home" as a concept. It became obvious after six months that closer monitoring was required if the practice was to continue. They now have a programme which not only looks at what you are doing on the lap top but also the phone.
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09/03/2021 12:34:46 5 2
bbc
A previous tried that this then scrapped it for nearly all job roles. A weekly catch up over deliveries for the past week will suffice for nearly all job roles. For call center roles the monitoring s/ware might be appropriate. Any company that tries to use this will have to pay more or find it harder to attract the better candidates. It's a high tech soln for an outdated management style.
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09/03/2021 12:26:40 10 11
bbc
Prof Whitty gave a stark warning today. There will be a third wave and more deaths even when the vaccination programme is complete. The vaccine is only partially effective. Work from home as much as you can.
28
09/03/2021 12:35:18 2 4
bbc
He said those whom chose not to vaccinate and those for whom the vaccine is ineffective

Won’t be anywhere near the numbers we had earlier in the pandemic so stop spreading the irrational fear
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09/03/2021 12:33:43 80 4
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Not commuting in the London rush hour had great benefits for mental health. Rat race!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:35:39 17 61
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That's a situation you put yourself in. Work and/or live elsewhere and you can easily avoid this without having to skive.
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09/03/2021 12:38:09 21 5
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You go where you are employed unfortunately for me that's London!
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Rob
09/03/2021 12:45:35 20 6
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Blimey, someone’s bitter
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09/03/2021 12:30:50 6 6
bbc
It all looks rosy until you realise that your employer needs to monitor every second of your working day.

I did work for a global player that introduced "working from home" as a concept. It became obvious after six months that closer monitoring was required if the practice was to continue. They now have a programme which not only looks at what you are doing on the lap top but also the phone.
30
09/03/2021 12:35:42 3 2
bbc
Then you’re fine as long as you’re doing what you’re supposed to be doing. If not......
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09/03/2021 12:27:47 10 3
bbc
Let's say someone paid £5k for an annual season ticket to commute.

If they now work 3 days a week in the office and 2 days from home, that season ticket has to cost £3k or less to be viable. Which begs the question how can transport companies afford to keep them running? It will also cause a shift into what the new "peak" days and hours are.
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09/03/2021 12:36:04 5 1
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Good?
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09/03/2021 12:33:58 12 6
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It will not take long for employers to notice that employees are saving money in commuting costs and use that as an excuse to pay less.
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09/03/2021 12:36:52 16 0
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If you just spend it on train fares who cares
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09/03/2021 12:34:29 67 4
bbc
“There are decades where nothing happens; and there are weeks where decades happen.” - Lenin

Covid has meant we have participated in the largest WFH trial ever.
The benefits to the employee, employer and society ( including the environment ) is clear to see.
Companies that don't offer hybrid working will be reducing their access to talent.
This is our generations 40 hour work week.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
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09/03/2021 12:50:23 21 3
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"Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this"

Really?
"Productivity has increased due to the current lockdown situation, according to around half of UK workers. The majority (56 percent) of workers who don’t usually work from home feel more productive than in the office"
www.workplaceinsight.net
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09/03/2021 12:54:21 12 1
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Some links to peer-reviewed reports from reputable institutions would be useful - unless, of course, it was an unsubstantiated claim?
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09/03/2021 12:54:27 18 0
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My workforce has increased productivity by about 22% - so no, not everywhere!
and more work is being completed than ever before
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09/03/2021 12:55:18 14 1
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You are stating without any supporting evidence what you WANT to be true as if it were fact.

Pure Trumpism.
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09/03/2021 13:22:55 6 0
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Source for the claim?
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09/03/2021 13:44:00 5 0
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It's common sense that motivated peole work better when allowed to work from home some of the time. You clearly don't like this idea so go work for a company that does'nt provide it.
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09/03/2021 17:40:16 1 0
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Not seeing this in our business nor any of my friends or people I come across on calls. Productivity is much higher. For example it takes me 3 mins to get a coffee at home but sometimes 30 minutes in the office due to all the side conversations to and from the coffee area.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:35:39 17 61
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That's a situation you put yourself in. Work and/or live elsewhere and you can easily avoid this without having to skive.
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09/03/2021 12:38:09 21 5
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You go where you are employed unfortunately for me that's London!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:41:19 7 26
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There are plenty of jobs elsewhere around the country. Stop making excuses.
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09/03/2021 12:27:47 10 3
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Let's say someone paid £5k for an annual season ticket to commute.

If they now work 3 days a week in the office and 2 days from home, that season ticket has to cost £3k or less to be viable. Which begs the question how can transport companies afford to keep them running? It will also cause a shift into what the new "peak" days and hours are.
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09/03/2021 12:38:32 7 0
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Exactly. The train companies have been dragging their feet on this for a decade. They will do everything they can to resist flexible ticketing.

Interesting that TfL have been doing something like this for many years now: you can pay AFTER using the service, if you want, not before.

The whole ticketing model has to change.
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09/03/2021 12:39:26 19 6
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Presumably all these city works will be happy to have the London weighting of their salary reoved if they are no longer working in the city. After all, it is there in the first place to reflect the increased costs of living in or commuting into central London.
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09/03/2021 12:49:11 11 3
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Problem is many still have houses in areas that allow achieveable commutes so just removing it entirely isn't going to be acceptable.
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09/03/2021 18:25:49 0 0
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True and a yet another argument in favour of not making people commute, it saves on otherwise necessary business overheads.
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09/03/2021 12:39:56 5 4
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Great news, time to kick the office manager into the recycle bin
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09/03/2021 12:43:20 10 1
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If the office manager cannot adapt to managing remote worker's then I agree.

But the best can and will.
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09/03/2021 15:06:35 0 0
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And export the jobs of the office peons to others who are far cheaper around the world now it is clear it can be so readily undertaken remotely.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:31:15 3 5
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Why though? In most cases there aren't any real benefits and you're just slowing down everyone else.
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09/03/2021 12:40:23 4 1
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In your opinion.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:43:52 2 5
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In the measured output statistics across a range of businesses, productivity is down. For individuals it might be nice, but that's the only benefit.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:33:33 7 23
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And apart from those who like to work effectively as a team.

It's not about what you personally want, but how to effectively contribute to your job.
39
09/03/2021 12:40:23 14 1
bbc
Does a team only function if it is co-located?

Then there are modern communications systems to consider - which reduce the need for, often timewasting, face-to-face meetings.
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09/03/2021 12:38:09 21 5
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You go where you are employed unfortunately for me that's London!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:41:19 7 26
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There are plenty of jobs elsewhere around the country. Stop making excuses.
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09/03/2021 12:49:47 20 4
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clueless
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09/03/2021 12:56:53 11 6
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Lol, where?
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09/03/2021 16:59:53 5 1
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Perhaps the kind of general job that you do. My job only exists in London. But I can work from home some of the time, so will. Now, back to your general job with you.
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09/03/2021 12:42:15 16 5
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Seems like businesses are really pushing the narrative that working at the office should be a 'norm'

Anecdotally I've seen businesses claim productivity has remained the same or increased.

All in all I'm glad the wider population has been exposed to the idea of WFH and think it's a viable option for many. Certain personality types are more suited to it though, some need to be around people.
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09/03/2021 15:28:26 6 0
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Agreed. My personality type definitely does not enjoy the open plan office and the constant small talk and general noise.
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09/03/2021 12:43:18 5 19
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Hybrid working ie working part utime

The achievers will be working in the office and travelling to meet clients. In other words making an effort

Those working from home will soon fall behind
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09/03/2021 12:47:53 9 3
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you old dinosaur; have you graduated from Dunder Mifflin?
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09/03/2021 12:52:07 3 1
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except, in my experience over the last year, 90% of those working from home have excelled!
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09/03/2021 13:09:10 3 1
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except most of my clients are based overseas, so video calling is the norm anyway ... Why spend a fortune & waste time traveling to an office to do it when I can do it from home?
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09/03/2021 12:39:56 5 4
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Great news, time to kick the office manager into the recycle bin
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09/03/2021 12:43:20 10 1
bbc
If the office manager cannot adapt to managing remote worker's then I agree.

But the best can and will.
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09/03/2021 12:40:23 4 1
bbc
In your opinion.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:43:52 2 5
bbc
In the measured output statistics across a range of businesses, productivity is down. For individuals it might be nice, but that's the only benefit.
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Rob
09/03/2021 12:51:40 6 1
bbc
You’re wrong - and you cannot possibly speak for all industries
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09/03/2021 12:56:45 5 0
bbc
Then provide a link to your 'evidence' otherwise we will assume you just made it up.
45
09/03/2021 12:45:11 33 2
bbc
Work from home has to be the way forward, we just don't have the infrastructure to cope with much more demands on road, transport or the underground. Inhumane in the rush hour!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:35:39 17 61
bbc
That's a situation you put yourself in. Work and/or live elsewhere and you can easily avoid this without having to skive.
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Rob
09/03/2021 12:45:35 20 6
bbc
Blimey, someone’s bitter
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ljs
09/03/2021 12:46:38 44 3
bbc
'Hybrid working will become the norm'

ABOUT TIME

The daily commute was the MAIN reason I retired early.

40 YEARS of two hours per day stuck in traffic jams, MADNESS.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:50:52 9 45
bbc
40 years, and you never moved closer or took a job somewhere else? That's all on you.
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09/03/2021 15:30:29 2 4
bbc
Your choice. I chose to live within cycling distance of workplace. Grubby little flat. But the no costs life paid the mortgage off fast and laid in savings so I retired early, had decades of my life free for myself. Those that are greedy for a lifestyle, children, wives, cars, holidays, drink, eating out, have to slave far far longer, as they waste money away to live like 'everyone else'.
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09/03/2021 12:33:58 90 4
bbc
Due to less travel costs we'll have more money in our pockets.
Less traffic on the road, crowded trains etc.
We've worked from home for a year with the same output, if not more, so why not?

This should of happened a long time ago with the likes on VPN being available
to the masses
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ljs
09/03/2021 12:47:47 41 5
bbc
Agreed SHOULD have happened 20 years ago.
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09/03/2021 17:32:13 2 0
bbc
As if the internet of 20 years ago - which was still basically dial up on a 56k modem for most - could handle it. We are 'lucky' the pandemic happened now, 20 years ago we would not be WFH like we are now.
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09/03/2021 12:43:18 5 19
bbc
Hybrid working ie working part utime

The achievers will be working in the office and travelling to meet clients. In other words making an effort

Those working from home will soon fall behind
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09/03/2021 12:47:53 9 3
bbc
you old dinosaur; have you graduated from Dunder Mifflin?
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09/03/2021 12:39:26 19 6
bbc
Presumably all these city works will be happy to have the London weighting of their salary reoved if they are no longer working in the city. After all, it is there in the first place to reflect the increased costs of living in or commuting into central London.
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09/03/2021 12:49:11 11 3
bbc
Problem is many still have houses in areas that allow achieveable commutes so just removing it entirely isn't going to be acceptable.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:41:19 7 26
bbc
There are plenty of jobs elsewhere around the country. Stop making excuses.
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09/03/2021 12:49:47 20 4
bbc
clueless
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
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09/03/2021 12:50:23 21 3
bbc
"Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this"

Really?
"Productivity has increased due to the current lockdown situation, according to around half of UK workers. The majority (56 percent) of workers who don’t usually work from home feel more productive than in the office"
www.workplaceinsight.net
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ljs
09/03/2021 12:46:38 44 3
bbc
'Hybrid working will become the norm'

ABOUT TIME

The daily commute was the MAIN reason I retired early.

40 YEARS of two hours per day stuck in traffic jams, MADNESS.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:50:52 9 45
bbc
40 years, and you never moved closer or took a job somewhere else? That's all on you.
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09/03/2021 12:52:32 9 1
bbc
.... and if ones partner / spouse works a similar distance away, in the opposite direction?
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:43:52 2 5
bbc
In the measured output statistics across a range of businesses, productivity is down. For individuals it might be nice, but that's the only benefit.
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Rob
09/03/2021 12:51:40 6 1
bbc
You’re wrong - and you cannot possibly speak for all industries
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09/03/2021 12:30:50 6 6
bbc
It all looks rosy until you realise that your employer needs to monitor every second of your working day.

I did work for a global player that introduced "working from home" as a concept. It became obvious after six months that closer monitoring was required if the practice was to continue. They now have a programme which not only looks at what you are doing on the lap top but also the phone.
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09/03/2021 12:52:06 1 2
bbc
So you are saying "What is the point of working from home if I can't cheat"?
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09/03/2021 12:43:18 5 19
bbc
Hybrid working ie working part utime

The achievers will be working in the office and travelling to meet clients. In other words making an effort

Those working from home will soon fall behind
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09/03/2021 12:52:07 3 1
bbc
except, in my experience over the last year, 90% of those working from home have excelled!
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:50:52 9 45
bbc
40 years, and you never moved closer or took a job somewhere else? That's all on you.
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09/03/2021 12:52:32 9 1
bbc
.... and if ones partner / spouse works a similar distance away, in the opposite direction?
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09/03/2021 12:53:59 4 2
bbc
Does working from home have Public and/or Employee Liability Insurance implications?
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
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09/03/2021 12:54:21 12 1
bbc
Some links to peer-reviewed reports from reputable institutions would be useful - unless, of course, it was an unsubstantiated claim?
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
60
09/03/2021 12:54:27 18 0
bbc
My workforce has increased productivity by about 22% - so no, not everywhere!
and more work is being completed than ever before
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
61
09/03/2021 12:55:18 14 1
bbc
You are stating without any supporting evidence what you WANT to be true as if it were fact.

Pure Trumpism.
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09/03/2021 13:10:54 15 0
bbc
Team I work in has increased it's productivity. Even just working during the time that would have previously been lost on communting has had a big impact. Sounds like you need to change jobs/company.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:43:52 2 5
bbc
In the measured output statistics across a range of businesses, productivity is down. For individuals it might be nice, but that's the only benefit.
62
09/03/2021 12:56:45 5 0
bbc
Then provide a link to your 'evidence' otherwise we will assume you just made it up.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:41:19 7 26
bbc
There are plenty of jobs elsewhere around the country. Stop making excuses.
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09/03/2021 12:56:53 11 6
bbc
Lol, where?
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09/03/2021 12:57:42 9 2
bbc
And yet they will continue to build more and more and more office space that will never get occupied. Where I live, there is an office estate built in 2007 and to this day, some of the outlets have NEVER been used, yet three miles down the road (under the same local authority), they are building EVEN MORE offices. Absolute joke!
67
09/03/2021 13:00:51 8 3
bbc
and even more local authorities will pump millions into high streets around the country, and most people buy stuff online
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09/03/2021 12:59:21 70 3
bbc
If you love working from home, work from home. The money you spent travelling to work can spent on other things. If you don't like working from home go back into the office, that's great as well and contribute to that area you have travelled, also great. People who worked hard in the office will work hard at home, people who were lazy in the office will be lazy be at home.
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09/03/2021 13:02:30 33 2
bbc
Fully agree, but will also add that some that didnt enjoy office life also thrive working from home
98
09/03/2021 13:26:02 1 0
bbc
Nice thought, I wonder if employers will obligingly agree?
105
09/03/2021 13:32:35 8 0
bbc
But i'll have to have an affair with my wife.
Nobody else to flirt with.
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mc
09/03/2021 13:21:56 2 15
bbc
if you work from home you must also accept a pay cut at same time as unfair on those forced to cover
150
09/03/2021 14:44:53 6 0
bbc
I agree. I don't enjoy working in an open plan office where I can hear everyone's noise.I work much better at home as I don't have to put up with pointless small talk.There is something to be said about getting together as a team but this is not necessary 5 days a week.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:23:27 9 14
bbc
Hard doubt.

While some individuals might enjoy working from home, the negative impact to collaboration is clear.

Good luck too, being recognised properly if you're hardly ever around.
66
09/03/2021 12:59:27 6 1
bbc
Why?

I can speak/see any of my staff at a moments notice to colaborate- Microsoft Teams, telephone and WhatsApp
64
09/03/2021 12:57:42 9 2
bbc
And yet they will continue to build more and more and more office space that will never get occupied. Where I live, there is an office estate built in 2007 and to this day, some of the outlets have NEVER been used, yet three miles down the road (under the same local authority), they are building EVEN MORE offices. Absolute joke!
67
09/03/2021 13:00:51 8 3
bbc
and even more local authorities will pump millions into high streets around the country, and most people buy stuff online
100
09/03/2021 13:28:14 1 0
bbc
While at the same time the LA is making parking more difficult, more expensive or both.
68
09/03/2021 13:02:15 10 2
bbc
So few here on HYS who can debate a sensible compromise.

Dear me, such polarisation over an issue that proposes an obvious hybrid solution.

It speaks volumes for the current mindset of too many who wrongly equate an extreme position with strength of argument.
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09/03/2021 17:35:32 1 0
bbc
Couldn't agree more, for many the hybrid compromise is the way forward but not according to what seems to be the majority of narrow mind snarling statements seen on a typical HYS, no wonder the same style story's are opened up to population to comment on
65
09/03/2021 12:59:21 70 3
bbc
If you love working from home, work from home. The money you spent travelling to work can spent on other things. If you don't like working from home go back into the office, that's great as well and contribute to that area you have travelled, also great. People who worked hard in the office will work hard at home, people who were lazy in the office will be lazy be at home.
69
09/03/2021 13:02:30 33 2
bbc
Fully agree, but will also add that some that didnt enjoy office life also thrive working from home
With so many other stories, most far more interesting than this one; why has the BBC decided to focus its attention on this one and not allowing comments on the meatier stories of the day? Removed
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09/03/2021 13:04:08 4 1
bbc
because it relates to the future of hundreds of thousands of employees
sorry if that bores you
because they do not want lots of little piers morgans ranting and raving their little heads off Removed
With so many other stories, most far more interesting than this one; why has the BBC decided to focus its attention on this one and not allowing comments on the meatier stories of the day? Removed
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09/03/2021 13:04:08 4 1
bbc
because it relates to the future of hundreds of thousands of employees
sorry if that bores you
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09/03/2021 13:04:22 5 0
bbc
Wednesdays will become the new Thursdays.
73
09/03/2021 13:04:31 85 5
bbc
I have to laugh at some of these comments on here saying "Well, if they're working from home, pay them less 'cos there not paying to travel....". There was even some clown suggesting that home workers should be taxed more to take into account the money they're NOT spending!

Its just envy and resentment and it really sums up the attitudes of some people in this country.
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09/03/2021 13:12:20 40 0
bbc
Does that mean if I live next door to the office I should be paid less?
158
09/03/2021 14:58:27 0 4
bbc
the whole system of pay and tax would need to change, simple as that. wfh is not without downsides.
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09/03/2021 15:23:54 2 4
bbc
In practice pay will fall hopefully.
It is not that anyone pays for travel. They set pay at a rate they can attract the staff. Travel or not is their problem.

So now people will rush to grab home working jobs and in that competition will accept lower pay for it. It is a personal evaluation that you will save on getting to work costs. You also gain back time for yourself. Market will lower pay.
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09/03/2021 15:48:31 4 1
bbc
I used to cycle into work and claim the mileage, so I guess I should be paid more to compensate!!?? :)
With so many other stories, most far more interesting than this one; why has the BBC decided to focus its attention on this one and not allowing comments on the meatier stories of the day? Removed
because they do not want lots of little piers morgans ranting and raving their little heads off Removed
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09/03/2021 13:06:22 8 5
bbc
So example above is man living in Eastbourne working in the City - either he was already working there and moved or he already lived there and took a job in London. Either way it should be no surprise to him he has a long commute, why not choose to work or live elsewhere if thats a problem?
78
09/03/2021 13:08:31 10 4
bbc
house prices maybe, family nearby for childcare?
76
09/03/2021 13:08:02 5 12
bbc
Working from home = death of town centre cafes and higher public transport costs.
82
09/03/2021 13:12:57 6 2
bbc
Working from home = revitalisation of local centre shopping
less buses are not nececarily more expensive
83
09/03/2021 13:14:32 3 1
bbc
No, I disagree.

Those that cannot work remotely will be able to live in the cities when office space gives way to homes, the cities will be alive 24 hours instead of just working hours. The cafes will have evening customers.
85
09/03/2021 13:17:13 1 0
bbc
Not my problem.
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09/03/2021 13:17:41 2 0
bbc
public transport should be free or very cheap
77
09/03/2021 13:08:03 6 2
bbc
Guy lives three hours from his office say's he doesn't like his commute.

Company selling casual office space says casual office space is the future.

Large company says lots of it staff worked from home when recommended in pandemic and this will continue until at least June...which is like forever.
75
09/03/2021 13:06:22 8 5
bbc
So example above is man living in Eastbourne working in the City - either he was already working there and moved or he already lived there and took a job in London. Either way it should be no surprise to him he has a long commute, why not choose to work or live elsewhere if thats a problem?
78
09/03/2021 13:08:31 10 4
bbc
house prices maybe, family nearby for childcare?
42
09/03/2021 12:43:18 5 19
bbc
Hybrid working ie working part utime

The achievers will be working in the office and travelling to meet clients. In other words making an effort

Those working from home will soon fall behind
79
09/03/2021 13:09:10 3 1
bbc
except most of my clients are based overseas, so video calling is the norm anyway ... Why spend a fortune & waste time traveling to an office to do it when I can do it from home?
61
09/03/2021 12:55:18 14 1
bbc
You are stating without any supporting evidence what you WANT to be true as if it were fact.

Pure Trumpism.
80
09/03/2021 13:10:54 15 0
bbc
Team I work in has increased it's productivity. Even just working during the time that would have previously been lost on communting has had a big impact. Sounds like you need to change jobs/company.
73
09/03/2021 13:04:31 85 5
bbc
I have to laugh at some of these comments on here saying "Well, if they're working from home, pay them less 'cos there not paying to travel....". There was even some clown suggesting that home workers should be taxed more to take into account the money they're NOT spending!

Its just envy and resentment and it really sums up the attitudes of some people in this country.
81
09/03/2021 13:12:20 40 0
bbc
Does that mean if I live next door to the office I should be paid less?
76
09/03/2021 13:08:02 5 12
bbc
Working from home = death of town centre cafes and higher public transport costs.
82
09/03/2021 13:12:57 6 2
bbc
Working from home = revitalisation of local centre shopping
less buses are not nececarily more expensive
76
09/03/2021 13:08:02 5 12
bbc
Working from home = death of town centre cafes and higher public transport costs.
83
09/03/2021 13:14:32 3 1
bbc
No, I disagree.

Those that cannot work remotely will be able to live in the cities when office space gives way to homes, the cities will be alive 24 hours instead of just working hours. The cafes will have evening customers.
84
09/03/2021 13:15:56 3 1
bbc
My only issue with working from home is the divide between work life and family life, or rather the lack of it.
89
09/03/2021 13:21:34 10 1
bbc
when you finish for the day close the laptop, even put a cover over it
If anyone calls 'after hours' remind them that they wouldnt have done that in the office

Sometimes that divide can be positive though, I am more than happy for my staff to take extra breaks to put the washing out, take kid sto school/deliver the car for MOT etc etc
They make the time up and have a better home/work life balance
76
09/03/2021 13:08:02 5 12
bbc
Working from home = death of town centre cafes and higher public transport costs.
85
09/03/2021 13:17:13 1 0
bbc
Not my problem.
76
09/03/2021 13:08:02 5 12
bbc
Working from home = death of town centre cafes and higher public transport costs.
86
09/03/2021 13:17:41 2 0
bbc
public transport should be free or very cheap
87
09/03/2021 13:18:18 5 4
bbc
I’m amazed the headline says ‘norm’ is this a shorter version of the word normal? The wokeys don’t normally like the word normal ?????
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09/03/2021 13:24:21 2 3
bbc
ok boomer
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09/03/2021 15:18:56 0 0
bbc
Amazed? What did you do at school? Have you not heard the word 'norm' before?
88
09/03/2021 13:14:06 4 3
bbc
Office space spreads cold flu and now covid. So best to work from home and also save transport and lunch costs
84
09/03/2021 13:15:56 3 1
bbc
My only issue with working from home is the divide between work life and family life, or rather the lack of it.
89
09/03/2021 13:21:34 10 1
bbc
when you finish for the day close the laptop, even put a cover over it
If anyone calls 'after hours' remind them that they wouldnt have done that in the office

Sometimes that divide can be positive though, I am more than happy for my staff to take extra breaks to put the washing out, take kid sto school/deliver the car for MOT etc etc
They make the time up and have a better home/work life balance
90
09/03/2021 13:22:22 10 1
bbc
This should be the next part of our evolution, it will level up housing cost, put less burden on transport, save massive cost upgrading out dated infrascture, less child care cost, less transport cost, better for the environment, your mental health, family and pocket. Win win ??
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sw
09/03/2021 14:07:57 0 4
bbc
The people that will loose are the BAME community.As a large proportion work in the service sector. The office cleaners, coffee shop workers, in transport like buses and trains. With less office based work these people will loose their jobs.
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OwO
09/03/2021 12:36:55 17 77
bbc
"The benefits to the employee, employer....is clear to see."

Really? Everywhere is suffering lower productivity as a result of this. You might enjoy sitting at home, but it becomes more difficult for the work to be completed.
91
09/03/2021 13:22:55 6 0
bbc
Source for the claim?
130
09/03/2021 14:02:55 5 1
bbc
There is no source, its just some gibberish that's been made up.
92
09/03/2021 13:23:52 6 6
bbc
Who would want to permanently blend their employment into their home and private life?

This WFH issue says more about people's approach to life, than approach to work

I can't wait to get work out of my home again
87
09/03/2021 13:18:18 5 4
bbc
I’m amazed the headline says ‘norm’ is this a shorter version of the word normal? The wokeys don’t normally like the word normal ?????
93
09/03/2021 13:24:21 2 3
bbc
ok boomer
94
09/03/2021 13:24:29 6 2
bbc
This hybrid would also benefit those who can't work from home. They will be able to live in the city centres when unused office space gives way to much needed homes, the cities will be alive 24 hrs instead of just working hours. There will be a proper community living in the city centres where shops, cafes and pubs will have evening customers, hospitality jobs will be created and crime will fall.
95
09/03/2021 13:25:36 17 2
bbc
The commuter slaves have smelt freedom. And it smells great.
96
09/03/2021 13:25:46 5 1
bbc
Hybrid people, driving hybrid cars, working hybrid jobs in hybrid locations wearing mules.
111
09/03/2021 13:35:38 1 0
bbc
Hybrid has touched a nerve in the BBC maybe there having office joke about lets make up articles to have trending words in, make internet search rankings are dropping for the BBC
97
09/03/2021 13:25:53 9 8
bbc
Only works for pen pushers, not for people actually making stuff.
104
09/03/2021 13:30:35 8 1
bbc
Like seamstresses, jewellers and artists?
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Ads
09/03/2021 15:18:34 1 0
bbc
Software Developers make stuff
65
09/03/2021 12:59:21 70 3
bbc
If you love working from home, work from home. The money you spent travelling to work can spent on other things. If you don't like working from home go back into the office, that's great as well and contribute to that area you have travelled, also great. People who worked hard in the office will work hard at home, people who were lazy in the office will be lazy be at home.
98
09/03/2021 13:26:02 1 0
bbc
Nice thought, I wonder if employers will obligingly agree?
135
09/03/2021 14:14:10 1 0
bbc
Up to the employees to proactively have these conversations as well with the employers.
99
09/03/2021 13:26:19 10 7
bbc
Most of the people I have come across that could work from home wouldn't be missed if they never came in at all.
67
09/03/2021 13:00:51 8 3
bbc
and even more local authorities will pump millions into high streets around the country, and most people buy stuff online
100
09/03/2021 13:28:14 1 0
bbc
While at the same time the LA is making parking more difficult, more expensive or both.