Covid-19: School rapid test cannot be overruled, says minister
08/03/2021 | news | health | 951
Concerns have been raised that thousands of pupils could be incorrectly told they have the virus.
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08/03/2021 15:55:45 283 32
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A politician with no scientific training overrules several scientific experst saying she doesn't know what she's talking about. Genius
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Bob
08/03/2021 16:08:42 57 188
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They're not overruling the expert. Hence from next week it will be the route that is taken.

Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.

It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
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08/03/2021 16:33:27 8 22
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Was it the scientist formally known as Merkel and her vaccine roll out....?
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08/03/2021 16:34:56 24 5
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Try the scheme out on Westminster and Parliament first, bringing everyone back.
Iron out all the problems on the trial then we will know it is ok for the children & young people.
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08/03/2021 20:05:17 0 1
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You can bet some Tory Minister has a few bucks to be made from another government fiasco.
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08/03/2021 15:56:04 120 12
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Expect a rapid U-turn.
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08/03/2021 16:16:56 30 4
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It has already happened.
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08/03/2021 16:18:33 7 18
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Who from? Remember when the EU does them it is a change of mind of course.
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kh
08/03/2021 16:42:59 3 0
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Then it looks like they're responding to public demand when they are not if they planned it all along. Merely distraction from other policies.
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08/03/2021 16:55:21 6 2
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ah the rapid "U Turn" Test....
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Bob
08/03/2021 15:58:39 3 4
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I guess the difference today vs. next week when it will become the rule is that today the whole class doesn't have to consider isolating, whereas once children have returned they will. Therefore confirming with a PCR test means those students can exist isolation if required.
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08/03/2021 15:58:58 125 14
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A test with accuracy said to be as low as 75% by some experts trumps a test with 95% accuracy plus.

Me thinks the education secretary needs to go back to school. Or better still, resign like he should have last year. This clown is giving 'failing Grayling' a run for his money.
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08/03/2021 17:14:46 23 1
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Reasonable point but Grayling's CV is much much worse.
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08/03/2021 20:00:12 3 0
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This a government who don't do resigning, hence why the lying totally incompetent buffoon is still in office. Where's the £350 million/week for the nhs Boris?
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08/03/2021 15:59:07 10 3
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But wasn't it announced on the BBC 1 o'clock news that this stupid, irrational policy had been reversed?
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08/03/2021 15:59:09 21 4
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So just to be clear. A negative PCR test when they start home testing is enough to overrule positive lateral flow. But a negative PCR until home testing starts is not?
Because a PCR test by a trained professional is the same accuracy as a lateral flow done in school?
Tip, no, it's not.
This is stupid.
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08/03/2021 15:59:10 6 5
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We've spent the entire lockdown wishing we'd been better safe than sorry

Maybe it's time we tried that strategy for once...
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08/03/2021 15:59:20 83 10
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Lateral flow must be confirmed with a PCR for sequencing and analysis - end of.
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08/03/2021 16:12:07 22 81
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Armchair expert.
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08/03/2021 15:59:59 85 9
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But. she's a government minister and to be a government minister you have to be an expert in the field that your ministry represents. Boris wouldn't appoint anyone to such an important position without having thoroughly checked their ability. Would he? I mean look at the dept of education. Oh, wait a minute...
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08/03/2021 16:00:30 8 11
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There is no 'gold standard' for PCR, you just run it as you see fit, or until you get the false positive that you're looking for.
Removed
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08/03/2021 16:26:17 1 0
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Remind us which section of YouTube you obtained your medical degree from....
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08/03/2021 16:01:11 27 15
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If unwell with symptoms, stay home until you get better. Otherwise, carry on. The most vulnerable are and have been vaccinated so overall risk is much lower now. If this virus is as serious a problem as is being made we wouldn’t have to be testing for it constantly.
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08/03/2021 16:10:57 9 11
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Surely yourlast sentence is flawed.
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08/03/2021 17:06:18 5 3
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Pity government did not order this at the outset of the pandemic.

Protect the vunerable.
If unwell quarantine until recovered + 1 week.
Everyone else carry on as normal.

This would have saved £500 Billion and the country as a whole.
{Hindsight is the bill we are all going to be hit with}.
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08/03/2021 17:14:06 1 0
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Half vaccinated!
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08/03/2021 16:01:46 15 4
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That minister sounded as if she was trying to outdumb Williamson this morning on Radio 4’s Today. Talking of which please remember it’s a news/ current affairs programme NOT a breakfast tv version of EastEnders, auntie !
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08/03/2021 21:24:07 0 0
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"Welcome to our living room, todays news..."
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08/03/2021 15:58:17 37 4
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Gavin Williamson, eh ?

So well "suited" to the job, right ?

(irony)
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08/03/2021 22:52:40 3 0
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A bit like his boss.
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08/03/2021 15:58:36 73 6
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Effectively saying that the less accurate test is more accurate than the proven more accurate test. Hare-brained.
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08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 22
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Other news sources CONTRADICT the BBC version!
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08/03/2021 15:59:03 257 29
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Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?

Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
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08/03/2021 16:18:33 118 22
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Very true - I withdrew permission for my son's school testing this morning and went to pick up a box of tests from a testing site so if it is positive we can get a PCR test to check.
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08/03/2021 16:21:59 1 0
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Don't forget they are not taking previous positive tests into account. So if you tested positive 60-90 days ago would you send your kid to school or not?
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08/03/2021 16:50:44 23 6
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Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister? well judging by the lack of intelligence displayed by the clown 'leader'; very
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08/03/2021 17:25:44 12 4
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You have to be utterly bloody stupid to become a minister, with no sense of right or wrong, and no contrition.
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08/03/2021 17:32:16 6 12
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Silly comment, the more reliable one also gives false readings. Better to have one person extra isolated until a PCR test is taken after a certain number of days than the false positive is ignored and a class gets CoViD
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08/03/2021 17:46:18 1 8
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Good parents, the one’s who will not give permission for their children to be tested, who then catch COVID-19 and take it home and spreads it , that sounds really clever, forget booking a holiday
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08/03/2021 18:31:37 4 0
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It is likely that if a child tests positive on LFT, sensible parents will take them for a PCR and act according to the results thereof whatever some politician's mouthings suggest. My offspring is now adult, but if they were still in school that's what I'd do!
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08/03/2021 18:43:25 1 1
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It's a toxic mixture of stupidity and refusal to risk losing face. Very common amongst the government, but maybe not totally surprising because a change of approach in the face of better evidence will be immediately criticised as a "u-turn".
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08/03/2021 19:00:18 1 0
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"Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?"
Easy question! You have to be thick enough so there is no risk of you being brighter than the PM, so the bar has to be set VERY low!
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08/03/2021 16:03:43 36 5
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We'll see in the next few days whether 'case' numbers jump significantly due to false positives. I hope the positive lateral flow tests aren't going to be added directly to the daily government figures without further confirmation of infection.
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08/03/2021 16:12:19 33 21
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They will be I suggest to cause Project Fear to continue
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08/03/2021 16:53:44 10 0
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The one to watch in a few weeks will be hospital admissions, if that starts to rise then highly likely the real positive cases will be rising, and not based on some number that may be overshadowed by false positives.
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08/03/2021 17:01:45 3 3
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Only coughs and sneezes.
No human to human evidence.
NOT Airborne - only a few feet.

So why would opening windows affect a virus that is NOT Airborne?
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08/03/2021 17:41:39 4 1
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There is a risk in one week they will increase by between 3000 and 10000. Given that the current rate is around 40000 - it could increase the numbers by 8% to 25% - but given the drop is around 25% per week, it won't show up against the falling numbers very clearly. There will be no case numbers jumping - just not declining as much.
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08/03/2021 22:59:33 1 0
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You are being smoke-screened by the government! The problem with LFTs is false negatives not false positives - in trials around one third of actual positives (by PCR) were missed by LFTs!
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08/03/2021 16:02:43 98 20
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Utterly scandalous what the children of this country are being put through and those that have brought about these decisions should face the full wrath of the public! Scandalous!!
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08/03/2021 16:09:35 81 20
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Unfortunately most of the public doesn't care in the slightest what our young people have been put through.
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Ben
08/03/2021 18:32:52 2 2
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Young people don't vote. Corbyn's youth quake was a myth. Why run the country for the benefit of people who won't vote for you. Simples.
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nic
08/03/2021 19:28:15 3 3
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This exactly it’s child abuse
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08/03/2021 19:58:12 4 0
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The people of this country having been cowed and brainwashed by the BBC and others waging a campaign of terror ar ein full support of the governments mad measures that defy logic.
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08/03/2021 20:12:37 0 6
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your Remainer banner is showing :)
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08/03/2021 16:03:48 209 26
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The UK government's perfect example of "how not to manage a pandemic" just goes on.
Lateral flow tests not good enough for air passengers but now being used in a scenario where false positives could close everything down again.
They really are useless.
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08/03/2021 16:18:30 132 17
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They don't care. Enough people believe them to allow them to carry on regardless. The alternative would be to admit they are wrong and reverse all the stupid decisions - they'll never do that.
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08/03/2021 16:50:54 17 5
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As I have said elsewhere, we were told a year ago that the Covid virus would 'change the way that we lived'. That it has done. But is this only because we have allowed it do so? Vaccines, we are told, would change the game: so far they have not. Testing, we were told, would be the gold standard: it isn't. The game, I think, is up.
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08/03/2021 17:22:36 3 18
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Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all how it should have been handled using your expert past experience of having personally managed an epidemic?
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08/03/2021 20:04:45 1 0
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And more importantly they don't pick my many actual positives as accuracy rate is appalling. Therefore many children who have covid will be missed and able to spread it round in school and because they've had negative test result parent can say it can't be covid as the test was negative.
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08/03/2021 22:50:49 1 0
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Better to be born lucky than rich . Without the vaccine Johnson would be gone by because by every conceivable criteria his Covid strategy has been an unmitigated disaster.
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JBd
08/03/2021 16:05:46 9 1
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Seems very odd.
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08/03/2021 16:05:56 78 11
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THE government of false positives
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08/03/2021 16:23:11 22 1
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Perhaps they are quasi ineffective?
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08/03/2021 16:24:44 7 1
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The scientific fact is false negatives are much more likely.
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08/03/2021 16:06:33 13 12
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Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
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08/03/2021 16:08:21 13 9
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Nope fall in infections have all coincided with restrictions
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08/03/2021 16:11:43 3 3
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"it's seasonal" You may well have a good point.

Johnson (the uneducated idiot) tells porkies and it is such a pity - but hey you voted for him (hint I didn't, nor any other Tory)
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08/03/2021 16:12:14 6 2
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Of course KS wants this. He want's to see the government make themselves as unpopular as possible, so that he can become the next dictator. That's the only thing that matters to him.
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08/03/2021 16:06:51 9 7
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Took a (gold standard!!!) pcr test in November - they never returned it. (still haven't 6 months later)

(But note this whole story has been contradicted.)

What is this nonsense about "wiping you tonsils" - I had mine removed over 60 years ago when it was a fashionable surgery.

Too many lies. Too many borisisms.
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08/03/2021 16:28:12 4 5
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I "LOVE" Tory party porkies. Post factual posts and the Tories contradict them!

Never ever believe this Tory Part Government.
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08/03/2021 16:32:21 0 3
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The TORY central office posters always vote anything sensible or truthful down.

The BBC should no let Tory party posters on their hys. It brings them into disrepute.
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08/03/2021 16:07:37 19 11
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To thank kids for everything they've been through and putting up with over the top testing, they will be thanked by making them breathe in their own exhaled air for hours on end.
Which "scientists" are advising this ?
The same ones who told us for six months that wearing masks made no difference ?
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08/03/2021 16:06:33 13 12
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Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
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08/03/2021 16:08:21 13 9
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Nope fall in infections have all coincided with restrictions
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08/03/2021 16:14:37 1 2
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I detailed d****s - that's why we had loads of them in the summer last year - NOT
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08/03/2021 15:55:45 283 32
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A politician with no scientific training overrules several scientific experst saying she doesn't know what she's talking about. Genius
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Bob
08/03/2021 16:08:42 57 188
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They're not overruling the expert. Hence from next week it will be the route that is taken.

Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.

It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
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08/03/2021 16:28:18 63 5
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I'm not sure delaying the return to schooling is "not a big deal because they've already spent months out of it".
In my view, that makes it a bigger deal
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08/03/2021 16:36:14 11 6
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Nonsense. They wont have done 3 tests by next week. It takes a college as long as a week to test every pupil once. How are they going to have done three tests by next week ?
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08/03/2021 16:37:43 50 8
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Bob,
Do you have a teenager at home going crazy, literally?

Looking forward to going back and then suddenly facing another week of solitary confinement, whilst all their friends are meeting up?

It IS a big deal.
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pip
08/03/2021 16:48:50 50 5
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It isn't just about the child that tests positive - it is the impact on their parents and siblings who also have to self isolate.
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08/03/2021 17:07:48 12 4
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LFT are 2nd rate......your answer makes no sense in terms of health and welfare. Yawn.......experts on a keyboard are so...
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08/03/2021 17:28:42 6 0
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The comparison with next week is a red herring; the relevant costs & benefits are the ones for the case at hand. Yes it's "only" one household that ends up getting isolated this week. But if PCR is the right test in any other such one-household situation, then why not now? If the case for PCR next week is even stronger, that doesn't mean the case for PCR this week isn't strong enough.
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08/03/2021 17:34:24 9 2
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Its not just the child. It is their siblings. Their parents. Their childcare bubble. All being told to isolate when it could be false and for nothing. This being the case, parents can refuse legally to have their child tested in school. The risk of false positives is far to high. There could be somewhere between 3000 and 10000 families this week incorrectly being told to self isolate.
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08/03/2021 19:56:56 1 0
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"No big deal"... unless they are from the millions of families where the parents work multiple low paid jobs, so don't receive benefits, so aren't eligible for the £500 self isolation payment, so they either ignore the instruction to self-isolate, or have their families starve (if they don't receive benefits, they are also often not eligible for many foodbanks).
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08/03/2021 20:02:30 0 0
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Entire classes and bubbles do not isolate if there's a case, only children within 1 metre of infected child/staff member for more than 15 minutes have to isolate.
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08/03/2021 20:27:35 0 0
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Actually Bob it is a big deal and has the potential to create unnecessary and widespread isolations. How can a less reliable test overrule one that is considerably more reliable? Have you a role in government by any chance? Given your view you have the credentials. This just an idiotic stance flying in the face of expert advice!
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08/03/2021 20:46:58 0 0
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Try telling that to my children who had to be pulled out of school today because the eldest got a rogue positive LFT today. The schools seem to have pulled Teams assignments and lessons, so we go to bed tonight with no idea of how education will be continued tomorrow.
I can not prove the test is false +ve until I get the results of the PCR tests for the whole family tomorrow. I bet it is false.
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08/03/2021 20:47:24 0 0
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You're talking nonsense.

The "cost" of processing an extra 15000 PCR tests over a 3 week period is negligible. Vs the cost of 15000 families and school bubbles unecessarily isolating.

NB if you use PHE figures, 15,000 is an underestimate for the number of false positives.
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08/03/2021 20:47:43 2 0
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It won't "just mean a few people will have to delay a return to school." It will mean that up to 6,000 pupils AND THEIR FAMILIES will have to go into quarantine when a more accurate test might mean that the quarantine would only last for a day.
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08/03/2021 21:36:00 1 0
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It is an issue when the Prime Minister himself has said that we will follow the data. That 'data' could turn out to be a load of codswallop.
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08/03/2021 22:15:01 2 0
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With the current incident rate of 65.1 cases/100000, there will be more false positive results than real positive results. So there will be little benefit for the cost. This is being done for show as much as anything.
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08/03/2021 16:08:54 40 8
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Gavin Williamson's incompetence again then!
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08/03/2021 16:09:03 5 4
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Gavin
is gaffin
and public
is laffin
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08/03/2021 16:10:14 15 12
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Not content with indoctrinating children with regressive leftism and terrifying them with exaggerated climate catastrophe and pandemics, they are now being conditioned to jump through hoops just to live their lives.
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08/03/2021 16:02:43 98 20
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Utterly scandalous what the children of this country are being put through and those that have brought about these decisions should face the full wrath of the public! Scandalous!!
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08/03/2021 16:09:35 81 20
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Unfortunately most of the public doesn't care in the slightest what our young people have been put through.
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08/03/2021 16:32:23 6 22
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Snowflakes
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08/03/2021 16:38:15 18 12
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yeah too right. Tory voting boomers now all vacinated, sipping coffee of an afternoon with their chums and booking holidays to cyprus. Government doesn;t give a hoot about everyone else.
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08/03/2021 16:51:15 1 4
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Surely that 'care' should be up to the parents.

Who is/are the 'responsible persons' here?

I am too busy texting on my mobile phone to care?
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08/03/2021 19:14:49 2 10
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They haven't been 'put through' anything. Everyone has had to cope with the pandemic, doing a few tests is hardly taxing is it. This is just another example of the 'me' culture banging on about how they are somehow above what the vast majority are happy to get on with. If our young one's can't cope with being away from school for what has been about 24 weeks in total then God help us.
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08/03/2021 16:10:15 23 13
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"gold-standard tests processed by labs".

I have never heard ANY scientist describe PCR testing as gold standard. Heard it described as many other things though.
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08/03/2021 16:19:02 31 7
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I'm a scientist who's worked with diagnostic testing and the PCR test, which is actually Taqman QRT-PCR is recognised as a 'gold standard' test.....conspiracy theorist loons often try to attack it though
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08/03/2021 16:22:59 6 3
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It is the closest we have to accuracy. Well, unless you subscribe to Antivax News....
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08/03/2021 16:11:25 18 11
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Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
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08/03/2021 16:14:41 18 8
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Maybe they got bored of scaring everyone senseless and keeping up the level of fearmongering. Time for something else to occupy their time now
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08/03/2021 16:15:15 4 2
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They are numerically illiterate and do not understand the issues of false positive and false negatives
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08/03/2021 16:24:35 4 4
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The BBC create their own news agenda- as they have to deliver borris's serial lies. Democracy is dead - we all now live in a fascist dictatorship- the police are stopping alcoholics buying their daily fix - which is the only positive thing I can find in Coivid.
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08/03/2021 16:27:53 3 3
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Project fear has been temporarily replaced with elections coming...after elections the 'cases' will soar and lockdowns return.
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08/03/2021 16:31:13 3 1
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More to do with the media obsession with a dysfunctional family that no one actually give a fig about than anything to do with covid news.
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08/03/2021 17:10:42 0 0
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You sound disappointed!
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08/03/2021 18:09:12 2 0
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It's all the Harry and Meghan show now mate
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08/03/2021 18:30:12 1 3
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There is no such thing as project fear. Only in your own, fevered imagination.
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08/03/2021 16:11:26 4 2
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It does seem a very odd position to take. I do think that the government plus advisers have a level of intelligence. So I wonder what reason they had for taking this stance. And why can't they tell us their reasoning
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08/03/2021 16:11:29 2 6
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From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
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D
08/03/2021 16:14:11 14 3
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Can we have that in English please?
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08/03/2021 16:24:48 2 0
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We are still a little behind Mao & his 40 MILLION deaths in his great leap into the unknown. I really think that you should not be on the pop at this time of day
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08/03/2021 16:06:33 13 12
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Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
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08/03/2021 16:11:43 3 3
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"it's seasonal" You may well have a good point.

Johnson (the uneducated idiot) tells porkies and it is such a pity - but hey you voted for him (hint I didn't, nor any other Tory)
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08/03/2021 17:24:17 0 0
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Actually he was very expensively educated. What a waste of money that was!
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08/03/2021 16:03:43 36 5
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We'll see in the next few days whether 'case' numbers jump significantly due to false positives. I hope the positive lateral flow tests aren't going to be added directly to the daily government figures without further confirmation of infection.
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08/03/2021 16:12:19 33 21
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They will be I suggest to cause Project Fear to continue
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08/03/2021 18:18:25 6 6
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There might be incompetence but your words 'project fear' only project YOUR OWN FEAR. It's paranoia!
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08/03/2021 23:01:23 2 0
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Wasn't remain project fear?

Everything is project fear to you paranoid right wingers.....
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08/03/2021 16:01:11 27 15
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If unwell with symptoms, stay home until you get better. Otherwise, carry on. The most vulnerable are and have been vaccinated so overall risk is much lower now. If this virus is as serious a problem as is being made we wouldn’t have to be testing for it constantly.
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08/03/2021 16:10:57 9 11
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Surely yourlast sentence is flawed.
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08/03/2021 16:12:32 0 2
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Sounds like amass accuracy test to me, control group first and see how many are over ruled by PCR, if low enough error rate they will be in airports
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08/03/2021 15:59:20 83 10
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Lateral flow must be confirmed with a PCR for sequencing and analysis - end of.
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08/03/2021 16:12:07 22 81
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Armchair expert.
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08/03/2021 16:19:47 12 1
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Loads available to read on both LFT and PCR and their failings.
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08/03/2021 17:09:24 7 2
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Which the PM is for sure. Boris the clown...
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08/03/2021 17:24:14 12 0
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Did you read the article?
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xlr
08/03/2021 21:30:25 6 0
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I designed and verified lateral flow devices for three years and am an actual expert.

He's right.
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08/03/2021 16:06:33 13 12
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Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
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08/03/2021 16:12:14 6 2
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Of course KS wants this. He want's to see the government make themselves as unpopular as possible, so that he can become the next dictator. That's the only thing that matters to him.
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08/03/2021 16:57:42 2 1
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They don't need help from him. Quite competent at making themselves unpopular.
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08/03/2021 16:13:36 12 4
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This is what happens when the vast majority of MPs, government and cabinet members are humanities graduates. There's always been precious few scientists in power. Of course, they have scientists to guide them, but they probably don't understand the guidance.
97
08/03/2021 16:26:38 7 4
bbc
Yeh. Merkel is a scientist and look what a tip top job she has done with the vaccine roll out.
830
08/03/2021 21:30:34 2 0
bbc
I reckon a genetically modified culture of yoghurt could be a contender for leadership

But seriously, where is the technocractic government?
Can politics be described as a science? I mean, really? can it?

But seriously, a technocractic government is exactly what we need right now, not a bunch of career diktats mired in corruption, as has been the case for too long now
41
08/03/2021 16:13:41 54 6
bbc
The inaccurate rapid test is Johnson's moonshot. He doesn't want it being usurped by an accurate test.
588
08/03/2021 18:51:25 4 2
bbc
It's only for the first 3 tests which are taken in school under supervision.

After that tests are done at home and if positive can be confirmed by a PCR test.
42
08/03/2021 16:13:44 144 3
bbc
I don't understand the problem with taking a 2nd more accurate test to confirm +ve or -ve, An extra 6000 tests right now at this stage of the pandemic should be small potatoes.
215
08/03/2021 16:55:56 29 3
bbc
That would depend upon the number of false positives.

If there are too many, it undermines the authority (medical) and political embarass (U-turn).
43
08/03/2021 16:12:37 28 12
bbc
If we have mass testing
If we have the majority of the nation vaccinated

Then why are we in lockdown and how many lockdowns could it take to admit the strategy needs to change?
55
D
08/03/2021 16:16:59 21 5
bbc
That would imply that they would admit they got it wrong - never going to happen. They are in far too deep to admit that now.
56
08/03/2021 16:17:02 5 3
bbc
we don't have the majority of the nation vaccinated
203
08/03/2021 16:52:32 0 0
bbc
Just one.
Indefinite
536
08/03/2021 18:26:48 1 3
bbc
Because we aren't yet out of the woods. Not all vulnerable groups have been vaccinated and they will need a second dose before real immunity kicks-in - and that could be a further 3-4 months for everyone to get vaccinated.
728
08/03/2021 20:14:36 1 0
bbc
The majority are not vaccinated yet and mass testing using LFT tests is useless as they are very inaccurate.
10
08/03/2021 16:00:30 8 11
bbc
There is no 'gold standard' for PCR, you just run it as you see fit, or until you get the false positive that you're looking for.
Removed
45
08/03/2021 16:13:03 3 10
bbc
there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
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D
08/03/2021 16:16:20 8 2
bbc
Ridiculous. Utterly bizarre that anyone would think this a good idea.
98
08/03/2021 16:27:04 2 0
bbc
Or we could not wear dystopian masks and get back to normal.
262
08/03/2021 17:08:13 0 0
bbc
If so I'm sure gov would be promoting their use.
33
08/03/2021 16:11:29 2 6
bbc
From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
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D
08/03/2021 16:14:11 14 3
bbc
Can we have that in English please?
185
08/03/2021 16:48:59 1 0
bbc
I thought it was me being slow- thank you!
24
08/03/2021 16:08:21 13 9
bbc
Nope fall in infections have all coincided with restrictions
47
08/03/2021 16:14:37 1 2
bbc
I detailed d****s - that's why we had loads of them in the summer last year - NOT
31
08/03/2021 16:11:25 18 11
bbc
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
48
08/03/2021 16:14:41 18 8
bbc
Maybe they got bored of scaring everyone senseless and keeping up the level of fearmongering. Time for something else to occupy their time now
159
08/03/2021 16:41:43 5 2
bbc
Good point! Royal Family and racism should do the trick. Any opportunity to drive a wedge through a country surely takes precedence over a global pandemic people are beginning to see through now.
14
08/03/2021 15:58:36 73 6
bbc
Effectively saying that the less accurate test is more accurate than the proven more accurate test. Hare-brained.
49
08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 22
bbc
Other news sources CONTRADICT the BBC version!
165
08/03/2021 16:43:01 4 2
bbc
TM, Torygraph, etc?
168
08/03/2021 16:43:51 11 0
bbc
And what are those exactly ? The published data from the test manufacturers themselves matches with the BBC quoted information. So really from that point anyone with a brain can draw the same conclusion as the BBC have done. It really boils down to if to care about kids missing school for the price of a test
714
08/03/2021 20:06:42 3 1
bbc
You should not read the Daily Fail then.
789
08/03/2021 21:10:33 0 0
bbc
Talk about stating the obvious, it's actually how I filter their BS, from all of them.
They do all spew a lot of BS, I heard they are at BS junction, and are right in the thick of it, they got BS coming out of their ears, there is that much BS
906
08/03/2021 22:59:24 1 0
bbc
Right win rags like the Daily Mail were constantly telling us Covid was no worse than the flu this time last year!

Funny how they've all gone quiet over that.......
45
08/03/2021 16:13:03 3 10
bbc
there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
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D
08/03/2021 16:16:20 8 2
bbc
Ridiculous. Utterly bizarre that anyone would think this a good idea.
96
08/03/2021 16:26:24 1 0
bbc
You are the one who is ridiculous. Didn’t they teach you about nano technology at school? Perhaps you didn’t attend school.
51
08/03/2021 16:15:11 5 6
bbc
I don't understand why the media focus is solely on false positives. Lateral flow tests produce lots of false negatives. However much you tell people that a negative result doesn't mean that you don't have Covid, some will take it that way and will be more relaxed in their social distancing, especially with others who've tested negative. This could result in more transmission of the virus.
64
08/03/2021 16:20:39 8 6
bbc
Yes. Both LFTs and PCRs are much more likely to produce a false neg than false pos, but certain sections of society (antivaxxers) have been spreading utter tripe to the contrary.
408
08/03/2021 17:39:04 1 0
bbc
You can't educate stupid.
31
08/03/2021 16:11:25 18 11
bbc
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
52
08/03/2021 16:15:15 4 2
bbc
They are numerically illiterate and do not understand the issues of false positive and false negatives
53
08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 17
bbc
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.

Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.

Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.

At least the unions will be happy though.
59
08/03/2021 16:18:52 14 5
bbc
Absolute tripe. I have worn a surgical mask five days a week for 23 years. Alive and well
71
08/03/2021 16:22:54 10 0
bbc
Given that an oxygen level below 90% requires support, at 50% there'd be a lot of dead schoolchildren

Shaky 'data'
87
08/03/2021 16:24:55 7 1
bbc
Reducing oxygen levels by 50% leads to death. Clearly you were the clown at school.
93
08/03/2021 16:26:05 4 1
bbc
?????

Smooth brain anti mask myth I'm afraid.
109
08/03/2021 16:28:44 3 1
bbc
Please show us the source of this tripe
443
08/03/2021 17:48:10 0 0
bbc
50% lower oxygen levels, hmm. So they're dead then?
2
08/03/2021 15:56:04 120 12
bbc
Expect a rapid U-turn.
54
08/03/2021 16:16:56 30 4
bbc
It has already happened.
43
08/03/2021 16:12:37 28 12
bbc
If we have mass testing
If we have the majority of the nation vaccinated

Then why are we in lockdown and how many lockdowns could it take to admit the strategy needs to change?
55
D
08/03/2021 16:16:59 21 5
bbc
That would imply that they would admit they got it wrong - never going to happen. They are in far too deep to admit that now.
43
08/03/2021 16:12:37 28 12
bbc
If we have mass testing
If we have the majority of the nation vaccinated

Then why are we in lockdown and how many lockdowns could it take to admit the strategy needs to change?
56
08/03/2021 16:17:02 5 3
bbc
we don't have the majority of the nation vaccinated
18
08/03/2021 16:03:48 209 26
bbc
The UK government's perfect example of "how not to manage a pandemic" just goes on.
Lateral flow tests not good enough for air passengers but now being used in a scenario where false positives could close everything down again.
They really are useless.
57
D
08/03/2021 16:18:30 132 17
bbc
They don't care. Enough people believe them to allow them to carry on regardless. The alternative would be to admit they are wrong and reverse all the stupid decisions - they'll never do that.
176
08/03/2021 16:47:37 13 2
bbc
Not enough time left before the next election to undo all their mistakes.
245
08/03/2021 17:02:13 14 2
bbc
If the upvotes are anything to go by, Come the next election we should have a change in government, Unless of course those upvoting fall for the usual media hyperbole.
367
08/03/2021 17:31:49 4 1
bbc
Nor make as much illegal profit.
370
08/03/2021 17:33:13 2 9
bbc
Such narrow minded people you are..rest in your own isolation
487
08/03/2021 18:09:55 0 0
bbc
It would take too long
58
08/03/2021 16:18:39 6 17
bbc
Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!

I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
75
08/03/2021 16:23:31 4 0
bbc
The worse thing is that the tests are optional. Many parents refuse to give consent.
81
08/03/2021 16:23:25 5 1
bbc
My parents would have put the education of myself and my siblings way ahead of any risk to themselves.

Mind you, my dad spent 2 years in a Russian labour camp and then saw several years active WW II service with the British army. So he knew what real risk was.
82
08/03/2021 16:24:29 6 3
bbc
Project fear has been very effective on you. Unless your husband has very severe asthma (in which case he should be vaccinated anyway?) then statistically Covid isn't dangerous
90
08/03/2021 16:25:35 4 0
bbc
Look at the actual data Alice and don't be afraid.
111
08/03/2021 16:28:53 6 1
bbc
That’ll be your kids never going to school then. Why did you have them?
267
08/03/2021 17:09:35 0 0
bbc
Hubby should be vaxed by now.
53
08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 17
bbc
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.

Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.

Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.

At least the unions will be happy though.
59
08/03/2021 16:18:52 14 5
bbc
Absolute tripe. I have worn a surgical mask five days a week for 23 years. Alive and well
258
08/03/2021 17:06:31 1 0
bbc
Well said triggered my bull detector as well.
30
08/03/2021 16:10:15 23 13
bbc
"gold-standard tests processed by labs".

I have never heard ANY scientist describe PCR testing as gold standard. Heard it described as many other things though.
60
08/03/2021 16:19:02 31 7
bbc
I'm a scientist who's worked with diagnostic testing and the PCR test, which is actually Taqman QRT-PCR is recognised as a 'gold standard' test.....conspiracy theorist loons often try to attack it though
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CJR
08/03/2021 19:51:55 0 2
bbc
Please post your qualifications
61
jay
08/03/2021 16:18:15 9 9
bbc
It can be overruled , easy I’m doing it right now ??, send my child to that place you call school .... good luck to you , I have a conscience thanks if I won’t sit for hours in a mask my children certainly won’t
134
08/03/2021 16:33:49 1 2
bbc
Well done!
310
08/03/2021 17:18:26 0 0
bbc
I have a conscience thanks if I won’t sit for hours in a mask my children certainly won’t

Wearing a mask for hours on end can only present later problems.

Open air education is the probable answer.
62
08/03/2021 16:19:47 51 30
bbc
Considering the average age of someone dying with Covid is 82, with the majority of the 60+s now vaccinated, who cares any more? No need to be scared any more.

It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
70
08/03/2021 16:22:20 44 20
bbc
25% of those hospitalised are under 50.
102
08/03/2021 16:27:40 6 11
bbc
The majority of the over 60,s have NOT been vaccinated!
208
08/03/2021 16:53:36 2 3
bbc
Well said
Removed
411
08/03/2021 17:40:09 2 3
bbc
I do not think the ave age of those dying is now 82; it is much lower.
521
08/03/2021 18:21:00 2 1
bbc
Utterly stupid! Not all the vulnerable have been vaccinated because they aren't all over 60! Many vulnerable people still to be vaccinated in the younger age groups. Also, it takes 2 jabs to be properly protected, which will take MONTHS.
727
08/03/2021 20:13:39 2 0
bbc
There are still many vulnerable people who have not been vaccinated. All asthma sufferers whose asthma is managed have been removed form group 6 so may have to wait a long time to be vaccinated. They are still at risk and there are an awful lot of young people who end up seriously ill in hospital. If we just let it rip through the unvaccinated we run the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again.
908
08/03/2021 23:01:07 1 1
bbc
A 41 year year old teacher colleague of mine died 2 weeks ago, leaving two kids aged 6 and 11. Wise up!
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Kat
08/03/2021 16:19:49 1 4
bbc
The issue of false positives, etc. is confusing & I wouldn't trust a government minister. It's a shame Radio 4's More or Less is off-air at the moment.

Clearly if the "gold standard" test contradicts lateral flow, you should trust the more reliable test. Why let science guide govt policy?

The schools have been back one day. I'm waiting for a govt announcement that they will be closed tomorrow.
101
08/03/2021 16:27:08 1 2
bbc
It is your choice not to trust any government ministers. What will you do if Labour get into power? Not trust them? Or the Lib Dem’s?

And I wouldn’t hold your breath in the hope that schools will be closed tomorrow. Maybe if the teaching Unions were powerful enough you would get your wish..........
51
08/03/2021 16:15:11 5 6
bbc
I don't understand why the media focus is solely on false positives. Lateral flow tests produce lots of false negatives. However much you tell people that a negative result doesn't mean that you don't have Covid, some will take it that way and will be more relaxed in their social distancing, especially with others who've tested negative. This could result in more transmission of the virus.
64
08/03/2021 16:20:39 8 6
bbc
Yes. Both LFTs and PCRs are much more likely to produce a false neg than false pos, but certain sections of society (antivaxxers) have been spreading utter tripe to the contrary.
2
08/03/2021 15:56:04 120 12
bbc
Expect a rapid U-turn.
65
08/03/2021 16:18:33 7 18
bbc
Who from? Remember when the EU does them it is a change of mind of course.
131
08/03/2021 16:34:46 1 1
bbc
Check Government propaganda on the Guardian's we site.
901
08/03/2021 22:55:03 3 1
bbc
Jesus, what's this got to do with the EU?

Get that chip off your shoulder and stop trying to turn every article into some Brexit debate
15
08/03/2021 15:59:03 257 29
bbc
Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?

Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
66
08/03/2021 16:18:33 118 22
bbc
Very true - I withdrew permission for my son's school testing this morning and went to pick up a box of tests from a testing site so if it is positive we can get a PCR test to check.
114
08/03/2021 16:29:12 11 23
bbc
You just went and picked up a box of LFT's from a testing site? I don't think so...
130
08/03/2021 16:34:22 1 5
bbc
lol. you could have done that anyway.
148
rob
08/03/2021 16:36:27 2 5
bbc
pmsl ill pop round for a box now like free confetti round here
38
08/03/2021 16:12:07 22 81
bbc
Armchair expert.
67
08/03/2021 16:19:47 12 1
bbc
Loads available to read on both LFT and PCR and their failings.
68
08/03/2021 16:21:08 41 5
bbc
If its possible to cock it up, this is the man for it
69
08/03/2021 16:21:30 14 3
bbc
With Gavin Williamson in charge it is all going to end in tears (and deaths).
62
08/03/2021 16:19:47 51 30
bbc
Considering the average age of someone dying with Covid is 82, with the majority of the 60+s now vaccinated, who cares any more? No need to be scared any more.

It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
70
08/03/2021 16:22:20 44 20
bbc
25% of those hospitalised are under 50.
91
08/03/2021 16:25:37 29 10
bbc
The number of healthy under 50s who have died is absolutely minimal. No reason to shut down their lives, destroy their jobs and businesses, and have them under house arrest at all.
116
08/03/2021 16:29:32 22 4
bbc
The majority of hospitalised patients have co-morbidities such as obesity.
136
08/03/2021 16:34:13 19 2
bbc
Only with pre existing health conditions it is.

Only 571 in total under the age of 60 with n o pre existing health condition have died in the whole pandemic of covid. Source: NHS
169
08/03/2021 16:44:04 14 3
bbc
Yes and about 80% of those are clinically obese!
177
08/03/2021 16:47:41 12 3
bbc
And probably overweight, with no underlying heath conditions, of course.
932
08/03/2021 23:36:00 0 0
bbc
And how many of them are dying? Probably less than would die long term because of a needlessly prolonged quasi-lockdown.
53
08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 17
bbc
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.

Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.

Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.

At least the unions will be happy though.
71
08/03/2021 16:22:54 10 0
bbc
Given that an oxygen level below 90% requires support, at 50% there'd be a lot of dead schoolchildren

Shaky 'data'
To avoid creating a new blip in the figures and causing more overkill (pun intended) lockdowns, train your children to wave the swab generally inside the mouth/nose instead of meticulously, which will allow the government tickbox target to be reached and life to continue with minimal risk. Removed
30
08/03/2021 16:10:15 23 13
bbc
"gold-standard tests processed by labs".

I have never heard ANY scientist describe PCR testing as gold standard. Heard it described as many other things though.
73
08/03/2021 16:22:59 6 3
bbc
It is the closest we have to accuracy. Well, unless you subscribe to Antivax News....
74
08/03/2021 16:23:00 1 4
bbc
Kids wont do the test so it wont matter
58
08/03/2021 16:18:39 6 17
bbc
Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!

I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
75
08/03/2021 16:23:31 4 0
bbc
The worse thing is that the tests are optional. Many parents refuse to give consent.
129
08/03/2021 16:33:05 6 2
bbc
Any good parent who really cares about their kids will refuse consent both for testing and masks!
144
08/03/2021 16:37:05 0 0
bbc
That’s why my kids will be tested.
15
08/03/2021 15:59:03 257 29
bbc
Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?

Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
76
08/03/2021 16:21:59 1 0
bbc
Don't forget they are not taking previous positive tests into account. So if you tested positive 60-90 days ago would you send your kid to school or not?
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jay
08/03/2021 16:22:11 4 2
bbc
School ... happiest days of your life

Another old saying that carries zero meaning
257
08/03/2021 17:06:25 0 0
bbc
Not mine.
78
08/03/2021 16:24:08 58 8
bbc
If this doesn't wake people up to the total farce these tests are. I don't know what will.
666
08/03/2021 19:36:57 2 11
bbc
Your comment makes no sense,
79
08/03/2021 16:24:12 5 7
bbc
I will not give permission for my daughter to take a rapid Covid test until a positive result can be confirmed via a PCR test.
99
08/03/2021 16:27:05 0 1
bbc
I can be.
149
08/03/2021 16:37:28 1 0
bbc
Well done on making the right choice. And don't make her miserable by consenting to her wearing a mask all day.
20
08/03/2021 16:05:56 78 11
bbc
THE government of false positives
.
80
08/03/2021 16:23:11 22 1
bbc
Perhaps they are quasi ineffective?
205
08/03/2021 16:52:54 1 0
bbc
Also known as the placebo effect.

Does no real good and much more damage in the longer term.

Nice one ;-) Government.
378
08/03/2021 17:33:17 1 0
bbc
The real deal unfortunately - damaging.
733
08/03/2021 20:16:46 1 1
bbc
Unlike Labour, who are totally ineffective.
58
08/03/2021 16:18:39 6 17
bbc
Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!

I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
81
08/03/2021 16:23:25 5 1
bbc
My parents would have put the education of myself and my siblings way ahead of any risk to themselves.

Mind you, my dad spent 2 years in a Russian labour camp and then saw several years active WW II service with the British army. So he knew what real risk was.
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Ian
08/03/2021 16:57:43 0 0
bbc
Comforting to know if one of their parents catches covid from them and dies.
Why all the fuss about academic qualifications anyway?
58
08/03/2021 16:18:39 6 17
bbc
Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!

I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
82
08/03/2021 16:24:29 6 3
bbc
Project fear has been very effective on you. Unless your husband has very severe asthma (in which case he should be vaccinated anyway?) then statistically Covid isn't dangerous
276
08/03/2021 17:11:06 1 0
bbc
Got your sensible hat on today andy
325
08/03/2021 17:22:35 1 0
bbc
statistically Covid isn't dangerous

Within a year, 120,000 gone and it is not dangerous?

I would say that if just 20,000 had become a statistic it would have been classified as dangerous.
(20,000 being the original UK Health warning number of deaths)
31
08/03/2021 16:11:25 18 11
bbc
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
83
08/03/2021 16:24:35 4 4
bbc
The BBC create their own news agenda- as they have to deliver borris's serial lies. Democracy is dead - we all now live in a fascist dictatorship- the police are stopping alcoholics buying their daily fix - which is the only positive thing I can find in Coivid.
279
08/03/2021 17:12:05 0 0
bbc
Is it the plonk which affecting your grammar or is it always that bad?
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DG
08/03/2021 16:24:39 4 1
bbc
Ministers have no clue. LBC Radio said, 1400 today, that the rule had been changed to trust a negative gold standard test result when a rapid test shows positive.
20
08/03/2021 16:05:56 78 11
bbc
THE government of false positives
.
85
08/03/2021 16:24:44 7 1
bbc
The scientific fact is false negatives are much more likely.
158
08/03/2021 16:41:30 0 4
bbc
Is that a scientific fact? Surely it depends entirely on the size of population of infected people vs uninfected people which is more likely ? That's just a mathmatical fact.
33
08/03/2021 16:11:29 2 6
bbc
From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
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08/03/2021 16:24:48 2 0
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We are still a little behind Mao & his 40 MILLION deaths in his great leap into the unknown. I really think that you should not be on the pop at this time of day
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08/03/2021 16:56:09 0 2
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The magnitude of 'excess death' from Covid-19 (or from Johnson's Toryism) will be long-argued, against long background lack of democracy (REAL not sham) in the thinking of popular protest, a mocking 'free press' and a captive BBC. Moral difference is great between imperatives in WWII or 'cultural revolution' in Mao's China, and the anxiety of our PM to be getting on with 'getting Brexit done'.
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08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 17
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In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.

Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.

Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.

At least the unions will be happy though.
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08/03/2021 16:24:55 7 1
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Reducing oxygen levels by 50% leads to death. Clearly you were the clown at school.
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08/03/2021 16:25:03 9 6
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But....but......what about Meghan?
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08/03/2021 16:43:07 2 1
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Dear Meghan is away from this little country,don't blame her
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08/03/2021 16:25:09 63 6
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Little Joey tests positive at school Mum,Dad isolate with no work and mounting debt.Where is the get the country back to work that BJ keeps spouting about for the want of a proper test.
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08/03/2021 16:38:21 62 14
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This is why if Little Joye's parents are sensible they don't give permission for the test.
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08/03/2021 16:53:00 8 12
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And that's why this roadmap out of lockdown will take longer than they say
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08/03/2021 16:18:39 6 17
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Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!

I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
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08/03/2021 16:25:35 4 0
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Look at the actual data Alice and don't be afraid.
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08/03/2021 16:22:20 44 20
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25% of those hospitalised are under 50.
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08/03/2021 16:25:37 29 10
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The number of healthy under 50s who have died is absolutely minimal. No reason to shut down their lives, destroy their jobs and businesses, and have them under house arrest at all.
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08/03/2021 16:28:25 4 6
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Whatever.
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08/03/2021 16:58:15 1 2
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If hospitals get inundated with 'healthy under 50's ', then all age groups will be at risk from all causes.
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08/03/2021 17:11:37 2 0
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House Arrest.....haha. You really need to think more, before you post.
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08/03/2021 17:33:32 1 3
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While obviously death is the most serious risk with covid, you're ignoring the fact that a great many people need lengthy hospital treatment but recover. Do you really want to risk a return to overwhelmed hospitals? It will be a while before everyone has had their first jab. Until they are vaccinated, there's also the risk of Long Corvid leaving them disabled.
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08/03/2021 18:21:28 1 0
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Only 'minimal' if it aint YOU.
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08/03/2021 16:25:55 5 2
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Insanity, after the sacrifices made this haphazard policy has the potential to undermine, or otherwise cause more unnecessary mahem within the educational and domestic platforms.
The schools minister is an idiot obviously from the same ilk as the ' oik ' Williamson.
There should be one test that will stand, none of this yes no idiotic format.
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08/03/2021 16:39:31 5 1
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If ministers were a box of pencils you would have to look hard to find a sharp one.
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08/03/2021 16:15:37 12 17
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In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.

Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.

Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.

At least the unions will be happy though.
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08/03/2021 16:26:05 4 1
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?????

Smooth brain anti mask myth I'm afraid.
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08/03/2021 16:26:13 7 2
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If the kids don't do the test wittys pre prepared graphs will have to be remapped.
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08/03/2021 16:00:30 8 11
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There is no 'gold standard' for PCR, you just run it as you see fit, or until you get the false positive that you're looking for.
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08/03/2021 16:26:17 1 0
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Remind us which section of YouTube you obtained your medical degree from....
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08/03/2021 16:16:20 8 2
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Ridiculous. Utterly bizarre that anyone would think this a good idea.
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08/03/2021 16:26:24 1 0
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You are the one who is ridiculous. Didn’t they teach you about nano technology at school? Perhaps you didn’t attend school.
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D
08/03/2021 16:13:36 12 4
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This is what happens when the vast majority of MPs, government and cabinet members are humanities graduates. There's always been precious few scientists in power. Of course, they have scientists to guide them, but they probably don't understand the guidance.
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08/03/2021 16:26:38 7 4
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Yeh. Merkel is a scientist and look what a tip top job she has done with the vaccine roll out.
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08/03/2021 21:34:46 0 0
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What has she done?
Where are you hearing these things?
Did you get another opinion?
Was conclusive evidence provided where you heard this?
Are you just regurgitating something you read in corporate mainstream media?
Are you guarding againt bias or are you swimming in an echo chamber?

echo echo
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08/03/2021 16:13:03 3 10
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there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
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08/03/2021 16:27:04 2 0
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Or we could not wear dystopian masks and get back to normal.
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08/03/2021 16:24:12 5 7
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I will not give permission for my daughter to take a rapid Covid test until a positive result can be confirmed via a PCR test.
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08/03/2021 16:27:05 0 1
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I can be.
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08/03/2021 16:27:06 14 2
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I work at a college and this is how it's been today.
Roughly 50% of parents have refused tests for their children.
One class were in for an hour, then someone tested positive and so the whole lot were sent back home for 10 further days.
We know results in 30 minutes and report them to NHS, who then take several hours to notify the student. Their site hasn't coped with the additional traffic today.
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08/03/2021 16:39:42 4 1
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What college was this?
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08/03/2021 16:41:17 6 1
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In other words, the less parents that give permission for tests, the better the chance of all kids getting some education again.
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08/03/2021 23:43:52 0 0
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If the students are in college then they are over 16 and and don't need parental permission