Covid-19: School rapid test cannot be overruled, says minister
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Concerns have been raised that thousands of pupils could be incorrectly told they have the virus.
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A politician with no scientific training overrules several scientific experst saying she doesn't know what she's talking about. Genius
They're not overruling the expert. Hence from next week it will be the route that is taken.
Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.
It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.
It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
Was it the scientist formally known as Merkel and her vaccine roll out....?
Try the scheme out on Westminster and Parliament first, bringing everyone back.
Iron out all the problems on the trial then we will know it is ok for the children & young people.
Iron out all the problems on the trial then we will know it is ok for the children & young people.
Who from? Remember when the EU does them it is a change of mind of course.
Then it looks like they're responding to public demand when they are not if they planned it all along. Merely distraction from other policies.
I guess the difference today vs. next week when it will become the rule is that today the whole class doesn't have to consider isolating, whereas once children have returned they will. Therefore confirming with a PCR test means those students can exist isolation if required.
A test with accuracy said to be as low as 75% by some experts trumps a test with 95% accuracy plus.
Me thinks the education secretary needs to go back to school. Or better still, resign like he should have last year. This clown is giving 'failing Grayling' a run for his money.
Me thinks the education secretary needs to go back to school. Or better still, resign like he should have last year. This clown is giving 'failing Grayling' a run for his money.
So just to be clear. A negative PCR test when they start home testing is enough to overrule positive lateral flow. But a negative PCR until home testing starts is not?
Because a PCR test by a trained professional is the same accuracy as a lateral flow done in school?
Tip, no, it's not.
This is stupid.
Because a PCR test by a trained professional is the same accuracy as a lateral flow done in school?
Tip, no, it's not.
This is stupid.
Lateral flow must be confirmed with a PCR for sequencing and analysis - end of.
Armchair expert.
But. she's a government minister and to be a government minister you have to be an expert in the field that your ministry represents. Boris wouldn't appoint anyone to such an important position without having thoroughly checked their ability. Would he? I mean look at the dept of education. Oh, wait a minute...
There is no 'gold standard' for PCR, you just run it as you see fit, or until you get the false positive that you're looking for.
If unwell with symptoms, stay home until you get better. Otherwise, carry on. The most vulnerable are and have been vaccinated so overall risk is much lower now. If this virus is as serious a problem as is being made we wouldn’t have to be testing for it constantly.
Pity government did not order this at the outset of the pandemic.
Protect the vunerable.
If unwell quarantine until recovered + 1 week.
Everyone else carry on as normal.
This would have saved £500 Billion and the country as a whole.
{Hindsight is the bill we are all going to be hit with}.
Protect the vunerable.
If unwell quarantine until recovered + 1 week.
Everyone else carry on as normal.
This would have saved £500 Billion and the country as a whole.
{Hindsight is the bill we are all going to be hit with}.
That minister sounded as if she was trying to outdumb Williamson this morning on Radio 4’s Today. Talking of which please remember it’s a news/ current affairs programme NOT a breakfast tv version of EastEnders, auntie !
"Welcome to our living room, todays news..."
Gavin Williamson, eh ?
So well "suited" to the job, right ?
(irony)
So well "suited" to the job, right ?
(irony)
A bit like his boss.
Effectively saying that the less accurate test is more accurate than the proven more accurate test. Hare-brained.
Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
Very true - I withdrew permission for my son's school testing this morning and went to pick up a box of tests from a testing site so if it is positive we can get a PCR test to check.
Don't forget they are not taking previous positive tests into account. So if you tested positive 60-90 days ago would you send your kid to school or not?
Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister? well judging by the lack of intelligence displayed by the clown 'leader'; very
You have to be utterly bloody stupid to become a minister, with no sense of right or wrong, and no contrition.
Silly comment, the more reliable one also gives false readings. Better to have one person extra isolated until a PCR test is taken after a certain number of days than the false positive is ignored and a class gets CoViD
Good parents, the one’s who will not give permission for their children to be tested, who then catch COVID-19 and take it home and spreads it , that sounds really clever, forget booking a holiday
It is likely that if a child tests positive on LFT, sensible parents will take them for a PCR and act according to the results thereof whatever some politician's mouthings suggest. My offspring is now adult, but if they were still in school that's what I'd do!
It's a toxic mixture of stupidity and refusal to risk losing face. Very common amongst the government, but maybe not totally surprising because a change of approach in the face of better evidence will be immediately criticised as a "u-turn".
We'll see in the next few days whether 'case' numbers jump significantly due to false positives. I hope the positive lateral flow tests aren't going to be added directly to the daily government figures without further confirmation of infection.
They will be I suggest to cause Project Fear to continue
The one to watch in a few weeks will be hospital admissions, if that starts to rise then highly likely the real positive cases will be rising, and not based on some number that may be overshadowed by false positives.
Only coughs and sneezes.
No human to human evidence.
NOT Airborne - only a few feet.
So why would opening windows affect a virus that is NOT Airborne?
No human to human evidence.
NOT Airborne - only a few feet.
So why would opening windows affect a virus that is NOT Airborne?
There is a risk in one week they will increase by between 3000 and 10000. Given that the current rate is around 40000 - it could increase the numbers by 8% to 25% - but given the drop is around 25% per week, it won't show up against the falling numbers very clearly. There will be no case numbers jumping - just not declining as much.
You are being smoke-screened by the government! The problem with LFTs is false negatives not false positives - in trials around one third of actual positives (by PCR) were missed by LFTs!
Utterly scandalous what the children of this country are being put through and those that have brought about these decisions should face the full wrath of the public! Scandalous!!
Unfortunately most of the public doesn't care in the slightest what our young people have been put through.
Young people don't vote. Corbyn's youth quake was a myth. Why run the country for the benefit of people who won't vote for you. Simples.
The people of this country having been cowed and brainwashed by the BBC and others waging a campaign of terror ar ein full support of the governments mad measures that defy logic.
The UK government's perfect example of "how not to manage a pandemic" just goes on.
Lateral flow tests not good enough for air passengers but now being used in a scenario where false positives could close everything down again.
They really are useless.
Lateral flow tests not good enough for air passengers but now being used in a scenario where false positives could close everything down again.
They really are useless.
They don't care. Enough people believe them to allow them to carry on regardless. The alternative would be to admit they are wrong and reverse all the stupid decisions - they'll never do that.
As I have said elsewhere, we were told a year ago that the Covid virus would 'change the way that we lived'. That it has done. But is this only because we have allowed it do so? Vaccines, we are told, would change the game: so far they have not. Testing, we were told, would be the gold standard: it isn't. The game, I think, is up.
Perhaps you would care to enlighten us all how it should have been handled using your expert past experience of having personally managed an epidemic?
And more importantly they don't pick my many actual positives as accuracy rate is appalling. Therefore many children who have covid will be missed and able to spread it round in school and because they've had negative test result parent can say it can't be covid as the test was negative.
Better to be born lucky than rich . Without the vaccine Johnson would be gone by because by every conceivable criteria his Covid strategy has been an unmitigated disaster.
Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
Nope fall in infections have all coincided with restrictions
"it's seasonal" You may well have a good point.
Johnson (the uneducated idiot) tells porkies and it is such a pity - but hey you voted for him (hint I didn't, nor any other Tory)
Johnson (the uneducated idiot) tells porkies and it is such a pity - but hey you voted for him (hint I didn't, nor any other Tory)
Of course KS wants this. He want's to see the government make themselves as unpopular as possible, so that he can become the next dictator. That's the only thing that matters to him.
Took a (gold standard!!!) pcr test in November - they never returned it. (still haven't 6 months later)
(But note this whole story has been contradicted.)
What is this nonsense about "wiping you tonsils" - I had mine removed over 60 years ago when it was a fashionable surgery.
Too many lies. Too many borisisms.
(But note this whole story has been contradicted.)
What is this nonsense about "wiping you tonsils" - I had mine removed over 60 years ago when it was a fashionable surgery.
Too many lies. Too many borisisms.
I "LOVE" Tory party porkies. Post factual posts and the Tories contradict them!
Never ever believe this Tory Part Government.
Never ever believe this Tory Part Government.
To thank kids for everything they've been through and putting up with over the top testing, they will be thanked by making them breathe in their own exhaled air for hours on end.
Which "scientists" are advising this ?
The same ones who told us for six months that wearing masks made no difference ?
Which "scientists" are advising this ?
The same ones who told us for six months that wearing masks made no difference ?
Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
I detailed d****s - that's why we had loads of them in the summer last year - NOT
They're not overruling the expert. Hence from next week it will be the route that is taken.
Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.
It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
Using LFT result over PCR result will just mean a few people will have to delay their return to school. Not a big deal when they've already spent months out of it.
It is essentially a cost/benefit exercise. From next week entire class and bubbles would need to isolate, so a PCR confirmation prevents that.
I'm not sure delaying the return to schooling is "not a big deal because they've already spent months out of it".
In my view, that makes it a bigger deal
In my view, that makes it a bigger deal
Nonsense. They wont have done 3 tests by next week. It takes a college as long as a week to test every pupil once. How are they going to have done three tests by next week ?
Bob,
Do you have a teenager at home going crazy, literally?
Looking forward to going back and then suddenly facing another week of solitary confinement, whilst all their friends are meeting up?
It IS a big deal.
Do you have a teenager at home going crazy, literally?
Looking forward to going back and then suddenly facing another week of solitary confinement, whilst all their friends are meeting up?
It IS a big deal.
It isn't just about the child that tests positive - it is the impact on their parents and siblings who also have to self isolate.
LFT are 2nd rate......your answer makes no sense in terms of health and welfare. Yawn.......experts on a keyboard are so...
The comparison with next week is a red herring; the relevant costs & benefits are the ones for the case at hand. Yes it's "only" one household that ends up getting isolated this week. But if PCR is the right test in any other such one-household situation, then why not now? If the case for PCR next week is even stronger, that doesn't mean the case for PCR this week isn't strong enough.
Its not just the child. It is their siblings. Their parents. Their childcare bubble. All being told to isolate when it could be false and for nothing. This being the case, parents can refuse legally to have their child tested in school. The risk of false positives is far to high. There could be somewhere between 3000 and 10000 families this week incorrectly being told to self isolate.
"No big deal"... unless they are from the millions of families where the parents work multiple low paid jobs, so don't receive benefits, so aren't eligible for the £500 self isolation payment, so they either ignore the instruction to self-isolate, or have their families starve (if they don't receive benefits, they are also often not eligible for many foodbanks).
Entire classes and bubbles do not isolate if there's a case, only children within 1 metre of infected child/staff member for more than 15 minutes have to isolate.
Actually Bob it is a big deal and has the potential to create unnecessary and widespread isolations. How can a less reliable test overrule one that is considerably more reliable? Have you a role in government by any chance? Given your view you have the credentials. This just an idiotic stance flying in the face of expert advice!
Try telling that to my children who had to be pulled out of school today because the eldest got a rogue positive LFT today. The schools seem to have pulled Teams assignments and lessons, so we go to bed tonight with no idea of how education will be continued tomorrow.
I can not prove the test is false +ve until I get the results of the PCR tests for the whole family tomorrow. I bet it is false.
I can not prove the test is false +ve until I get the results of the PCR tests for the whole family tomorrow. I bet it is false.
You're talking nonsense.
The "cost" of processing an extra 15000 PCR tests over a 3 week period is negligible. Vs the cost of 15000 families and school bubbles unecessarily isolating.
NB if you use PHE figures, 15,000 is an underestimate for the number of false positives.
The "cost" of processing an extra 15000 PCR tests over a 3 week period is negligible. Vs the cost of 15000 families and school bubbles unecessarily isolating.
NB if you use PHE figures, 15,000 is an underestimate for the number of false positives.
It won't "just mean a few people will have to delay a return to school." It will mean that up to 6,000 pupils AND THEIR FAMILIES will have to go into quarantine when a more accurate test might mean that the quarantine would only last for a day.
It is an issue when the Prime Minister himself has said that we will follow the data. That 'data' could turn out to be a load of codswallop.
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Utterly scandalous what the children of this country are being put through and those that have brought about these decisions should face the full wrath of the public! Scandalous!!
yeah too right. Tory voting boomers now all vacinated, sipping coffee of an afternoon with their chums and booking holidays to cyprus. Government doesn;t give a hoot about everyone else.
Surely that 'care' should be up to the parents.
Who is/are the 'responsible persons' here?
I am too busy texting on my mobile phone to care?
Who is/are the 'responsible persons' here?
I am too busy texting on my mobile phone to care?
They haven't been 'put through' anything. Everyone has had to cope with the pandemic, doing a few tests is hardly taxing is it. This is just another example of the 'me' culture banging on about how they are somehow above what the vast majority are happy to get on with. If our young one's can't cope with being away from school for what has been about 24 weeks in total then God help us.
"gold-standard tests processed by labs".
I have never heard ANY scientist describe PCR testing as gold standard. Heard it described as many other things though.
I have never heard ANY scientist describe PCR testing as gold standard. Heard it described as many other things though.
I'm a scientist who's worked with diagnostic testing and the PCR test, which is actually Taqman QRT-PCR is recognised as a 'gold standard' test.....conspiracy theorist loons often try to attack it though
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
Maybe they got bored of scaring everyone senseless and keeping up the level of fearmongering. Time for something else to occupy their time now
They are numerically illiterate and do not understand the issues of false positive and false negatives
The BBC create their own news agenda- as they have to deliver borris's serial lies. Democracy is dead - we all now live in a fascist dictatorship- the police are stopping alcoholics buying their daily fix - which is the only positive thing I can find in Coivid.
Project fear has been temporarily replaced with elections coming...after elections the 'cases' will soar and lockdowns return.
More to do with the media obsession with a dysfunctional family that no one actually give a fig about than anything to do with covid news.
It's all the Harry and Meghan show now mate
There is no such thing as project fear. Only in your own, fevered imagination.
It does seem a very odd position to take. I do think that the government plus advisers have a level of intelligence. So I wonder what reason they had for taking this stance. And why can't they tell us their reasoning
From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
We'll see in the next few days whether 'case' numbers jump significantly due to false positives. I hope the positive lateral flow tests aren't going to be added directly to the daily government figures without further confirmation of infection.
If unwell with symptoms, stay home until you get better. Otherwise, carry on. The most vulnerable are and have been vaccinated so overall risk is much lower now. If this virus is as serious a problem as is being made we wouldn’t have to be testing for it constantly.
Sounds like amass accuracy test to me, control group first and see how many are over ruled by PCR, if low enough error rate they will be in airports
Lateral flow must be confirmed with a PCR for sequencing and analysis - end of.
Loads available to read on both LFT and PCR and their failings.
Sir KS wants to extend lockdown - have I read this correctly - wake up you Bonzo's across all political parties - look at the d***h rate now never mind infections - it's seasonal
This is what happens when the vast majority of MPs, government and cabinet members are humanities graduates. There's always been precious few scientists in power. Of course, they have scientists to guide them, but they probably don't understand the guidance.
Yeh. Merkel is a scientist and look what a tip top job she has done with the vaccine roll out.
I reckon a genetically modified culture of yoghurt could be a contender for leadership
But seriously, where is the technocractic government?
Can politics be described as a science? I mean, really? can it?
But seriously, a technocractic government is exactly what we need right now, not a bunch of career diktats mired in corruption, as has been the case for too long now
But seriously, where is the technocractic government?
Can politics be described as a science? I mean, really? can it?
But seriously, a technocractic government is exactly what we need right now, not a bunch of career diktats mired in corruption, as has been the case for too long now
The inaccurate rapid test is Johnson's moonshot. He doesn't want it being usurped by an accurate test.
I don't understand the problem with taking a 2nd more accurate test to confirm +ve or -ve, An extra 6000 tests right now at this stage of the pandemic should be small potatoes.
If we have mass testing
If we have the majority of the nation vaccinated
Then why are we in lockdown and how many lockdowns could it take to admit the strategy needs to change?
If we have the majority of the nation vaccinated
Then why are we in lockdown and how many lockdowns could it take to admit the strategy needs to change?
That would imply that they would admit they got it wrong - never going to happen. They are in far too deep to admit that now.
Because we aren't yet out of the woods. Not all vulnerable groups have been vaccinated and they will need a second dose before real immunity kicks-in - and that could be a further 3-4 months for everyone to get vaccinated.
there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
I thought it was me being slow- thank you!
Nope fall in infections have all coincided with restrictions
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
Good point! Royal Family and racism should do the trick. Any opportunity to drive a wedge through a country surely takes precedence over a global pandemic people are beginning to see through now.
Effectively saying that the less accurate test is more accurate than the proven more accurate test. Hare-brained.
And what are those exactly ? The published data from the test manufacturers themselves matches with the BBC quoted information. So really from that point anyone with a brain can draw the same conclusion as the BBC have done. It really boils down to if to care about kids missing school for the price of a test
Talk about stating the obvious, it's actually how I filter their BS, from all of them.
They do all spew a lot of BS, I heard they are at BS junction, and are right in the thick of it, they got BS coming out of their ears, there is that much BS
They do all spew a lot of BS, I heard they are at BS junction, and are right in the thick of it, they got BS coming out of their ears, there is that much BS
there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
You are the one who is ridiculous. Didn’t they teach you about nano technology at school? Perhaps you didn’t attend school.
I don't understand why the media focus is solely on false positives. Lateral flow tests produce lots of false negatives. However much you tell people that a negative result doesn't mean that you don't have Covid, some will take it that way and will be more relaxed in their social distancing, especially with others who've tested negative. This could result in more transmission of the virus.
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Absolute tripe. I have worn a surgical mask five days a week for 23 years. Alive and well
Given that an oxygen level below 90% requires support, at 50% there'd be a lot of dead schoolchildren
Shaky 'data'
Shaky 'data'
Reducing oxygen levels by 50% leads to death. Clearly you were the clown at school.
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Smooth brain anti mask myth I'm afraid.
Smooth brain anti mask myth I'm afraid.
Not enough time left before the next election to undo all their mistakes.
If the upvotes are anything to go by, Come the next election we should have a change in government, Unless of course those upvoting fall for the usual media hyperbole.
Nor make as much illegal profit.
Such narrow minded people you are..rest in your own isolation
Sorry but I’ll not be happy to send my kids in unless they are tested daily!!
I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
I’m afraid that unless children and teenagers are tested daily they will pick something up from another child and bring that back into our household and my husband has asthma
The worse thing is that the tests are optional. Many parents refuse to give consent.
My parents would have put the education of myself and my siblings way ahead of any risk to themselves.
Mind you, my dad spent 2 years in a Russian labour camp and then saw several years active WW II service with the British army. So he knew what real risk was.
Mind you, my dad spent 2 years in a Russian labour camp and then saw several years active WW II service with the British army. So he knew what real risk was.
Project fear has been very effective on you. Unless your husband has very severe asthma (in which case he should be vaccinated anyway?) then statistically Covid isn't dangerous
That’ll be your kids never going to school then. Why did you have them?
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
It can be overruled , easy I’m doing it right now ??, send my child to that place you call school .... good luck to you , I have a conscience thanks if I won’t sit for hours in a mask my children certainly won’t
Considering the average age of someone dying with Covid is 82, with the majority of the 60+s now vaccinated, who cares any more? No need to be scared any more.
It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
25% of those hospitalised are under 50.
The majority of the over 60,s have NOT been vaccinated!
I do not think the ave age of those dying is now 82; it is much lower.
Utterly stupid! Not all the vulnerable have been vaccinated because they aren't all over 60! Many vulnerable people still to be vaccinated in the younger age groups. Also, it takes 2 jabs to be properly protected, which will take MONTHS.
There are still many vulnerable people who have not been vaccinated. All asthma sufferers whose asthma is managed have been removed form group 6 so may have to wait a long time to be vaccinated. They are still at risk and there are an awful lot of young people who end up seriously ill in hospital. If we just let it rip through the unvaccinated we run the risk of the NHS being overwhelmed again.
A 41 year year old teacher colleague of mine died 2 weeks ago, leaving two kids aged 6 and 11. Wise up!
The issue of false positives, etc. is confusing & I wouldn't trust a government minister. It's a shame Radio 4's More or Less is off-air at the moment.
Clearly if the "gold standard" test contradicts lateral flow, you should trust the more reliable test. Why let science guide govt policy?
The schools have been back one day. I'm waiting for a govt announcement that they will be closed tomorrow.
Clearly if the "gold standard" test contradicts lateral flow, you should trust the more reliable test. Why let science guide govt policy?
The schools have been back one day. I'm waiting for a govt announcement that they will be closed tomorrow.
It is your choice not to trust any government ministers. What will you do if Labour get into power? Not trust them? Or the Lib Dem’s?
And I wouldn’t hold your breath in the hope that schools will be closed tomorrow. Maybe if the teaching Unions were powerful enough you would get your wish..........
And I wouldn’t hold your breath in the hope that schools will be closed tomorrow. Maybe if the teaching Unions were powerful enough you would get your wish..........
I don't understand why the media focus is solely on false positives. Lateral flow tests produce lots of false negatives. However much you tell people that a negative result doesn't mean that you don't have Covid, some will take it that way and will be more relaxed in their social distancing, especially with others who've tested negative. This could result in more transmission of the virus.
Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
You just went and picked up a box of LFT's from a testing site? I don't think so...
lol. you could have done that anyway.
Armchair expert.
With Gavin Williamson in charge it is all going to end in tears (and deaths).
Considering the average age of someone dying with Covid is 82, with the majority of the 60+s now vaccinated, who cares any more? No need to be scared any more.
It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
It's no longer a risk to the risk groups, let the kids (and everyone else for that matter) have their freedom back.
The number of healthy under 50s who have died is absolutely minimal. No reason to shut down their lives, destroy their jobs and businesses, and have them under house arrest at all.
The majority of hospitalised patients have co-morbidities such as obesity.
Only with pre existing health conditions it is.
Only 571 in total under the age of 60 with n o pre existing health condition have died in the whole pandemic of covid. Source: NHS
Only 571 in total under the age of 60 with n o pre existing health condition have died in the whole pandemic of covid. Source: NHS
And probably overweight, with no underlying heath conditions, of course.
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
To avoid creating a new blip in the figures and causing more overkill (pun intended) lockdowns, train your children to wave the swab generally inside the mouth/nose instead of meticulously, which will allow the government tickbox target to be reached and life to continue with minimal risk.
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Only a government minister could be stupid enough not to allow a more reliable test to overrule one that is less reliable. Just how thick do you have to be to become a minister?
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
Of course the result of this ruling will be that good parents, who care about their kids' education, will either not give permission for testing or withdraw it.
If this doesn't wake people up to the total farce these tests are. I don't know what will.
Your comment makes no sense,
I will not give permission for my daughter to take a rapid Covid test until a positive result can be confirmed via a PCR test.
I can be.
Well done on making the right choice. And don't make her miserable by consenting to her wearing a mask all day.
THE government of false positives
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Also known as the placebo effect.
Does no real good and much more damage in the longer term.
Nice one ;-) Government.
Does no real good and much more damage in the longer term.
Nice one ;-) Government.
The real deal unfortunately - damaging.
Unlike Labour, who are totally ineffective.
Only one headline on Covid-19 today BBC? It's as if it has gone away all of a sudden. What happened to Project Fear?
THE government of false positives
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Is that a scientific fact? Surely it depends entirely on the size of population of infected people vs uninfected people which is more likely ? That's just a mathmatical fact.
From our World King and his side-kick bidding to match that Great Leap Forward of China's one-time Great Leader, we have in England a big-bang return to school for all, gambling against the likelihood of a variant-Covid fourth-wave, NHS-paralysing and forcing return to prolonged life-paralysing lockdown. More to follow from CYGNUS-neglect and SAGE-truth barring: need of programmed circuit-breaks.
The magnitude of 'excess death' from Covid-19 (or from Johnson's Toryism) will be long-argued, against long background lack of democracy (REAL not sham) in the thinking of popular protest, a mocking 'free press' and a captive BBC. Moral difference is great between imperatives in WWII or 'cultural revolution' in Mao's China, and the anxiety of our PM to be getting on with 'getting Brexit done'.
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
But....but......what about Meghan?
Dear Meghan is away from this little country,don't blame her
Little Joey tests positive at school Mum,Dad isolate with no work and mounting debt.Where is the get the country back to work that BJ keeps spouting about for the want of a proper test.
25% of those hospitalised are under 50.
Whatever.
If hospitals get inundated with 'healthy under 50's ', then all age groups will be at risk from all causes.
House Arrest.....haha. You really need to think more, before you post.
While obviously death is the most serious risk with covid, you're ignoring the fact that a great many people need lengthy hospital treatment but recover. Do you really want to risk a return to overwhelmed hospitals? It will be a while before everyone has had their first jab. Until they are vaccinated, there's also the risk of Long Corvid leaving them disabled.
Only 'minimal' if it aint YOU.
Insanity, after the sacrifices made this haphazard policy has the potential to undermine, or otherwise cause more unnecessary mahem within the educational and domestic platforms.
The schools minister is an idiot obviously from the same ilk as the ' oik ' Williamson.
There should be one test that will stand, none of this yes no idiotic format.
The schools minister is an idiot obviously from the same ilk as the ' oik ' Williamson.
There should be one test that will stand, none of this yes no idiotic format.
If ministers were a box of pencils you would have to look hard to find a sharp one.
In France parents are testing oxygen levels of children pre school and after to see the affects of mask wearing.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
Data shows that they have reduced oxygen levels, worryingly as high as 50%.
Germany has done similar and since taken an approach of no masks in schools.
Perhaps we are causing young persons more damage by wearing masks.
At least the unions will be happy though.
What has she done?
Where are you hearing these things?
Did you get another opinion?
Was conclusive evidence provided where you heard this?
Are you just regurgitating something you read in corporate mainstream media?
Are you guarding againt bias or are you swimming in an echo chamber?
echo echo
Where are you hearing these things?
Did you get another opinion?
Was conclusive evidence provided where you heard this?
Are you just regurgitating something you read in corporate mainstream media?
Are you guarding againt bias or are you swimming in an echo chamber?
echo echo
there are new masks out on the market now that have a copper nano layer on the woven layers that kills covid/flu virus for up to seven hours. another great British invention that needs pushing to assist in the opening up of schools and other venues along with the vaccine roll out.
I work at a college and this is how it's been today.
Roughly 50% of parents have refused tests for their children.
One class were in for an hour, then someone tested positive and so the whole lot were sent back home for 10 further days.
We know results in 30 minutes and report them to NHS, who then take several hours to notify the student. Their site hasn't coped with the additional traffic today.
Roughly 50% of parents have refused tests for their children.
One class were in for an hour, then someone tested positive and so the whole lot were sent back home for 10 further days.
We know results in 30 minutes and report them to NHS, who then take several hours to notify the student. Their site hasn't coped with the additional traffic today.
In other words, the less parents that give permission for tests, the better the chance of all kids getting some education again.