'England players may rest during Ashes'
07/03/2021 | sport | cricket | 859
England coach Chris Silverwood says players could be rested and rotated during next winter's Ashes series.
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07/03/2021 14:28:51 196 18
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Silverwood really doesn’t have a clue does he. Completely lost the plot.
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07/03/2021 18:47:01 26 5
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hear!hear!
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07/03/2021 14:31:45 16 0
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Q - What is the difference between rested, rotated & dropped (according to ECB, Ed Smith & Silverwood)?
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07/03/2021 14:34:43 14 0
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Just absolutely dumb founded on the article and comments made.
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07/03/2021 15:26:46 11 0
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Chris Woakes has been pretty much rested, rotated and dropped.
Now suffering from weak muscles, dizziness and concussion.
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07/03/2021 14:31:45 16 0
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Q - What is the difference between rested, rotated & dropped (according to ECB, Ed Smith & Silverwood)?
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07/03/2021 14:34:43 14 0
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Just absolutely dumb founded on the article and comments made.
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07/03/2021 14:35:01 85 2
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that ( the Ashes) seems a long way off!

Talking IPL it is just not right players are rested from England duty to play in the IPL ...
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07/03/2021 14:37:45 65 1
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Especially the Test Contracted players whom be missing the start of the Test series.
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07/03/2021 14:40:40 13 0
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Money talks!!
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07/03/2021 14:36:05 116 3
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When you are a Test-player, it's a test of skills, stamina, and the ability to represent your country for the duration of the series.

You do not want to give your opponents any advantage by resting your best players. Additionally, when you win the toss and bat for the first two days, the bowlers are being rested, sitting in the pavilion.

It is a patently self-defeating policy if I might say so.
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07/03/2021 14:38:31 49 4
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Is this an excuse already and waving the White Flag to surrender.
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07/03/2021 20:12:53 6 0
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Really, bat for 2 days? Not sure I'm confident that'll happen.
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08/03/2021 04:20:12 4 0
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You have summed the Test Captain's creed admirably. I doubt that Ray Illingworth would have put up with this, nor would Richie Benault
Root should step up and be the boss
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07/03/2021 14:36:57 4 1
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We start to make progress and then boom the wheels fall off.

Just in disbelief on this so Chris please say it was not your idea because I do not think so.

Are the players all behind this issue and you going to have a players say Yes go on your and not used or used once , then when they are due to come home you say please stay we need you.
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07/03/2021 14:49:40 9 0
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Yes, this is getting ridiculous now Duncan.
Clearly the rotation policy did not go well in India.
What makes them think that it will be any different in Australia?
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07/03/2021 15:05:51 3 2
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Im with you Dunc. This stinks of Ashley Giles and Andrew Strauss if you ask me
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07/03/2021 14:35:01 85 2
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that ( the Ashes) seems a long way off!

Talking IPL it is just not right players are rested from England duty to play in the IPL ...
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07/03/2021 14:37:45 65 1
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Especially the Test Contracted players whom be missing the start of the Test series.
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07/03/2021 14:36:05 116 3
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When you are a Test-player, it's a test of skills, stamina, and the ability to represent your country for the duration of the series.

You do not want to give your opponents any advantage by resting your best players. Additionally, when you win the toss and bat for the first two days, the bowlers are being rested, sitting in the pavilion.

It is a patently self-defeating policy if I might say so.
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07/03/2021 14:38:31 49 4
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Is this an excuse already and waving the White Flag to surrender.
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07/03/2021 14:54:54 2 0
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Hmnn, let me check in with the bookies: ))
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07/03/2021 14:40:16 2 4
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Agreed may disagree but with the idiotic test schedule thi test players had to be rested. The conditions in India meant we never had the ability or experience to win that series so rotation there was necessary and obvious prior to the Ashes that's far more important to most England fans.
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07/03/2021 14:41:58 1 1
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Aggers!!!
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07/03/2021 14:47:04 2 0
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It will keep happening again and again with that attitude.
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07/03/2021 14:35:01 85 2
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that ( the Ashes) seems a long way off!

Talking IPL it is just not right players are rested from England duty to play in the IPL ...
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07/03/2021 14:40:40 13 0
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Money talks!!
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07/03/2021 14:43:06 14 0
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Yep and as ECB get their share they be happy and benefit from it too.
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07/03/2021 14:41:45 320 8
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That's it - test cricket is no longer a priority for this administration. What a shame. And this rotation process is clearly affecting the team. It's a shocking look for test cricket that the last two games have not lasted beyond three days. And a tragedy for Channel 4 who have been excellent, but may not be so keen to take on future contracts.
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07/03/2021 18:04:31 86 4
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I've thought this for a while, even taking into account this damn 100 series too, just more matches to play! Being World number one test side and winning the Ashes, means more to me than any World Cup win! This series against India, except for the first match, was a disaster for me, as it means we aren't in the test final!
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07/03/2021 18:18:02 6 1
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I've always said if a test match is over within 3 days, the two teams should play a 2 day game in addition.
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07/03/2021 21:17:59 14 3
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ECB isn't fit for purpose. Never been held to account for its management of the game and never will be. Yet another bunch of corporate chancers lining their pockets at the expense of a national sport, defending themselves with the mantra of modern Britain - deflect, deny and hire a PR agency to tell everyone you're great and everything you do is a success. Con artists.
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08/03/2021 16:39:26 1 1
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Looks like all the focus is on the women's game nowadays.
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07/03/2021 14:40:16 2 4
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Agreed may disagree but with the idiotic test schedule thi test players had to be rested. The conditions in India meant we never had the ability or experience to win that series so rotation there was necessary and obvious prior to the Ashes that's far more important to most England fans.
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07/03/2021 14:41:58 1 1
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Aggers!!!
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07/03/2021 14:42:01 140 4
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The players rest 50% of a normal match anyway longer if we are away in India. Play your best team for the conditions every time.
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07/03/2021 21:53:24 55 3
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Lol good point. Show of hands... how many of us fans give a s**t about the t20 world cup? None. How many want to win in Australia. All of us.
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08/03/2021 00:47:00 1 0
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Mental wellbeing !
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07/03/2021 14:40:40 13 0
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Money talks!!
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07/03/2021 14:43:06 14 0
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Yep and as ECB get their share they be happy and benefit from it too.
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07/03/2021 14:43:08 235 2
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How has the policy worked? Moeen took wickets then went home and we was left with an off spinner with 0 confidence. Rotating the bowlers obviously hasn't worked and we've picked the wrong bowlers for the conditions. Why rotate mid series? We hammered India in the first test then changed the team and then he got hammered the next 3 so yes the players are fresh but we lost heavily so how did it work
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07/03/2021 18:05:37 129 1
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Agreed. For the Ashes we need our best team for each of the 5 tests. What Silverwood said doesn't make sense. How can they be 'prioritising' the Ashes, rest players 'so they arrive fit' and then rotate the selection! Am I missing something!?
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07/03/2021 23:07:53 10 1
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Mo’s benefited, he turned it miles to bowl Kohli, smacked their spinners around when everyone else failed then got rotated home. He comes out of this tour looking awesome when it turned into a train wreck for everyone else ??
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07/03/2021 14:45:53 48 0
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Ok. 5-0 Aus then.
Incidentally, is Joe Root gonna be rested? That game could get ugly.
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08/03/2021 11:15:03 2 0
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I expect Glen McGrath has already punted a sizeable bet on his favourite pre-series prediction, this time he'll be spot on if this farce continues.
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07/03/2021 14:46:30 201 2
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I’m sorry but that’s delusional at best...how exactly did that work? We were annihilated?
Bess demoralised and the Bairstow experiment...farce
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07/03/2021 19:07:20 13 55
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It worked because none of the players broke down injured during a match, and with more back to back tests, it is something we are likely to see more of to protect the players and keep them fresh (justifiably in my view). What would also be justified would be to teach our batsmen how to bat against spin or even just how to bat at all....
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07/03/2021 14:47:02 8 2
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Never understood the point of resting players, cricketers and footballers why not rest them when their tired, then play the second best players? It doesn't make much sense to me, we've now got replacements who need to be rested!
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07/03/2021 14:50:19 5 2
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The medical staff would say if you leave it till players feel tired they are more likely to get injured and then you lose them for months.
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07/03/2021 14:40:16 2 4
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Agreed may disagree but with the idiotic test schedule thi test players had to be rested. The conditions in India meant we never had the ability or experience to win that series so rotation there was necessary and obvious prior to the Ashes that's far more important to most England fans.
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07/03/2021 14:47:04 2 0
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It will keep happening again and again with that attitude.
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07/03/2021 14:48:51 40 0
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Hard to sell that one Mr Silverwood. Better win t20 wc and ashes for policy to have worked I would say.
How much is management and how much players. They don't have to go to ipl in fact Wood withdrew from auction.
But they also have the right to earn a living hard to turn down 500k plus for a couple months work
Difficult
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07/03/2021 14:56:47 8 0
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Actions speak louder than words comes to mind and how have then actions worked so far. Ooh still in its early days so by the time Ashes happens it be perfect as they say.
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07/03/2021 15:01:09 7 1
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Give up the central contract then or reduce it because of IPL money.
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07/03/2021 14:49:05 34 3
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Why aren't root and stokes being rotated? Won't they burn out? If they stay then keep other good players in the team too. If you go, go all the way otherwise don't even bother.
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07/03/2021 14:59:54 22 2
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Stokes was rested for Sri Lanka tour
Don't think Root is in t20 squad atm might not make t20 wc squad so there's his rest
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07/03/2021 14:36:57 4 1
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We start to make progress and then boom the wheels fall off.

Just in disbelief on this so Chris please say it was not your idea because I do not think so.

Are the players all behind this issue and you going to have a players say Yes go on your and not used or used once , then when they are due to come home you say please stay we need you.
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07/03/2021 14:49:40 9 0
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Yes, this is getting ridiculous now Duncan.
Clearly the rotation policy did not go well in India.
What makes them think that it will be any different in Australia?
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07/03/2021 14:54:55 3 0
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Nearly as bad as some of our chin wags on here .... No they are better than what Silverwood has said.

Proof is in the Pudding.
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07/03/2021 14:50:07 128 3
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May aswell not bother turning up in Australia then.

Completely understand resting during bubble life but Silverwood was meant to be the answers to the red ball side of things and yet again white ball cricket is prioritised.
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07/03/2021 21:25:36 12 1
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To be fair to Silverwood the priority between white and red ball cricket happens in the echelons above him, he's just gets told which to focus on.
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07/03/2021 14:50:17 32 1
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Nothing's worked. Wouldn't have loss the series so badly otherwise. Delusional.
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07/03/2021 14:47:02 8 2
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Never understood the point of resting players, cricketers and footballers why not rest them when their tired, then play the second best players? It doesn't make much sense to me, we've now got replacements who need to be rested!
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07/03/2021 14:50:19 5 2
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The medical staff would say if you leave it till players feel tired they are more likely to get injured and then you lose them for months.
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07/03/2021 15:02:47 8 1
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That's what they used to say to the players who did a shift down the pit then play a match in the afternoon. I think Harold Larwood was still pretty quick
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07/03/2021 15:26:09 3 2
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It's mind blowing most of them hardly play for their County, some have 10 tests per County game, it's a hard life. I'll take a week off, I think I'm getting tired by trying too hard!
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 14:57:11 7 1
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Tend to agree he was OK but got a lot of wickets with bad balls in Sri Lanka was bowling inconsistently b4 that.
Hence them asking Mo to stay(unfairly).
Anyway don't think we will be using 2 spinners next Yr anyway so let him go to Yorkshire and get some overs in
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07/03/2021 14:59:54 4 1
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Ouch Dreadlock, that hurts ... lol.
Maksi will not take kindly to your comment about the Yorkshireman.
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07/03/2021 15:03:06 3 2
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That is not the way to treat anyone whatever the sport
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07/03/2021 15:03:55 4 0
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Plus he be with Rashid too so hope that he be a good Mentor and someone to feed off vast experience and knowledge ...
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07/03/2021 15:05:42 8 0
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I tend to agree, Dreadlock. Bess was not treated all that well by England, but at some point you need to take personal responsibility.

Root had no choice but to drop him after that first game. You can't keep bowling rank full tosses and expect to play at Test level.
How much is this idiot being paid to come up with this nonsense. Not like they've been spending a year on shift in an ICU fighting Covid. Time to get a grip. They are coddled highly paid people playing a fairly unimportant game. I'm sure many would like to be in their position. Removed
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07/03/2021 15:25:39 0 0
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m
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07/03/2021 14:54:47 3 2
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I think it too soon to say whether to say rotation has worked or not. Let’s evaluate the situation after the summer but before the Ashes, that will be a fairer time rather than now.
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07/03/2021 14:38:31 49 4
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Is this an excuse already and waving the White Flag to surrender.
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07/03/2021 14:54:54 2 0
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Hmnn, let me check in with the bookies: ))
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07/03/2021 15:05:24 6 1
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Probably fell off their chairs when hearing this Article or reading as the case may be.
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07/03/2021 14:49:40 9 0
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Yes, this is getting ridiculous now Duncan.
Clearly the rotation policy did not go well in India.
What makes them think that it will be any different in Australia?
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07/03/2021 14:54:55 3 0
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Nearly as bad as some of our chin wags on here .... No they are better than what Silverwood has said.

Proof is in the Pudding.
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Sam
07/03/2021 15:47:32 2 0
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Technically the 'proof of the pudding is in the eating'.
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07/03/2021 14:55:01 0 1
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INDIA will be ready for T20 against ENGLAND as most of our players for T20 will come rested and fresh. I am hoping that ISHAN KISHAN will play in the first one with ROHIT & the rest to decide. Morgan & Malan to be marked in ENGLISH team. I believe INDIA will take the series at 60/40
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Sam
07/03/2021 15:53:07 1 0
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100 matches - that's an awful lot of cricket.
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07/03/2021 14:48:51 40 0
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Hard to sell that one Mr Silverwood. Better win t20 wc and ashes for policy to have worked I would say.
How much is management and how much players. They don't have to go to ipl in fact Wood withdrew from auction.
But they also have the right to earn a living hard to turn down 500k plus for a couple months work
Difficult
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07/03/2021 14:56:47 8 0
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Actions speak louder than words comes to mind and how have then actions worked so far. Ooh still in its early days so by the time Ashes happens it be perfect as they say.
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08/03/2021 09:14:43 0 0
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But it won't be. Do we have such strength in depth. Clearly, we don't. Abandon it.
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 14:57:11 7 1
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Tend to agree he was OK but got a lot of wickets with bad balls in Sri Lanka was bowling inconsistently b4 that.
Hence them asking Mo to stay(unfairly).
Anyway don't think we will be using 2 spinners next Yr anyway so let him go to Yorkshire and get some overs in
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07/03/2021 14:58:15 77 7
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Mishandling of Bess a disgrace if i was him i wouldn't want to play for this management again. Players going to IPL to earn big money as is their right then can't turn round and say they play too much cricket. And as for Bairstow total farce
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07/03/2021 16:20:15 38 5
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How can you 'handle' a bowler who sends down four full tosses in an over? That was before he was dropped and 'mishandled' as you put it. It would have been better to send him home after the first Test if his head was scrambled, wouldn't it?
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07/03/2021 17:30:39 7 2
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Bess won’t be playing for this management again, but he won’t have any say in it.
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07/03/2021 22:04:36 2 2
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Bess had 17 wickets at 22.41 for the three Tests before he was dropped, beyond a farce and totally agree about Bairstow as well.
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07/03/2021 14:59:49 35 0
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Many of them seem to have had a prolonged rest in India.
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07/03/2021 14:59:50 9 0
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Rotating mid series is just odd, the whole thing reminded me of Sven-Goran Eriksson’s approach to England friendlies.
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 14:59:54 4 1
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Ouch Dreadlock, that hurts ... lol.
Maksi will not take kindly to your comment about the Yorkshireman.
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07/03/2021 15:12:07 4 0
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He will be delighted to have such a wonderful cricketer playing for his beloved county
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07/03/2021 15:20:06 1 1
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Lol .

He was ready to drive him back to Somerset as well ...

Yes could say he has been thrown in at the deep end with no arm bands and cannot swim.

He has just about kept his head above though but needs nurturing to become smoother and fluent in his bowling which comes down to Experience, Practice , Game Time , Support and Self Confidence.
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07/03/2021 15:37:59 2 0
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??
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07/03/2021 14:49:05 34 3
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Why aren't root and stokes being rotated? Won't they burn out? If they stay then keep other good players in the team too. If you go, go all the way otherwise don't even bother.
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07/03/2021 14:59:54 22 2
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Stokes was rested for Sri Lanka tour
Don't think Root is in t20 squad atm might not make t20 wc squad so there's his rest
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07/03/2021 14:48:51 40 0
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Hard to sell that one Mr Silverwood. Better win t20 wc and ashes for policy to have worked I would say.
How much is management and how much players. They don't have to go to ipl in fact Wood withdrew from auction.
But they also have the right to earn a living hard to turn down 500k plus for a couple months work
Difficult
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07/03/2021 15:01:09 7 1
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Give up the central contract then or reduce it because of IPL money.
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07/03/2021 15:08:42 11 1
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There must be a clause saying if you make yourself unavailable for selection for games for which you are contracted then you forfeit some payment.
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07/03/2021 14:50:19 5 2
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The medical staff would say if you leave it till players feel tired they are more likely to get injured and then you lose them for months.
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07/03/2021 15:02:47 8 1
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That's what they used to say to the players who did a shift down the pit then play a match in the afternoon. I think Harold Larwood was still pretty quick
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07/03/2021 15:09:52 4 2
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How many tests/yrs did he last.
Compared with Jimmy and Broad?
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 15:03:06 3 2
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That is not the way to treat anyone whatever the sport
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07/03/2021 15:37:29 4 0
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What drop them when they don’t perform well enough? Why not?
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 15:03:55 4 0
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Plus he be with Rashid too so hope that he be a good Mentor and someone to feed off vast experience and knowledge ...
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07/03/2021 15:04:49 68 3
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You pick your best available eleven based on the wicket, period.

In the last test we only had four front line bowlers. You can't seriously expect to beat India away from home on that basis.
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07/03/2021 15:09:51 21 2
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Are you implying the DB is a frontline bowler? It reduces the number to the frontliners.
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07/03/2021 15:11:22 16 1
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We had others available e.g Woakes just didn't pick em that's nothing to do with rotation that was just p*** poor selection
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07/03/2021 15:27:42 5 0
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One of which barely bowled and another with no confidence.
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07/03/2021 16:16:04 6 0
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Not sure we had 4 front line bowlers? 3 at most.
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08/03/2021 00:55:13 0 0
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....do tell..what was your best 11 ?
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07/03/2021 14:54:54 2 0
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Hmnn, let me check in with the bookies: ))
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07/03/2021 15:05:24 6 1
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Probably fell off their chairs when hearing this Article or reading as the case may be.
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07/03/2021 14:52:24 11 10
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I don’t agree with those saying Bess has been ruined. There was nothing to ruin.
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07/03/2021 15:05:42 8 0
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I tend to agree, Dreadlock. Bess was not treated all that well by England, but at some point you need to take personal responsibility.

Root had no choice but to drop him after that first game. You can't keep bowling rank full tosses and expect to play at Test level.
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07/03/2021 14:36:57 4 1
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We start to make progress and then boom the wheels fall off.

Just in disbelief on this so Chris please say it was not your idea because I do not think so.

Are the players all behind this issue and you going to have a players say Yes go on your and not used or used once , then when they are due to come home you say please stay we need you.
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07/03/2021 15:05:51 3 2
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Im with you Dunc. This stinks of Ashley Giles and Andrew Strauss if you ask me
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07/03/2021 15:16:49 4 1
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Last winter when he came in during or before the SA Tour I was and still supportive of what and how he has built up.

Especially over the summer too with the New lads coming in.

Saw the Team ethos growing and yes I know keep on about the Team Ethos but it was there ...

Then suddenly we gone back to the Bayliss era it seems.
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Sam
07/03/2021 15:47:45 2 0
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Why?
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07/03/2021 15:08:31 138 3
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If Chris Silverwood genuinely believes that rotating and resting players mid-series "worked" during the tour of India, then I don't think he's the right man for the job. Similarly, if he thinks it's something he has to say to please his bosses but doesn't actually believe it, then I also don't think he's the right man for the job. He must accept that it's mistake and learn from it.
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08/03/2021 19:30:37 2 0
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I quite agree with you the best team should have played in the remaining test series.
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07/03/2021 15:01:09 7 1
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Give up the central contract then or reduce it because of IPL money.
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07/03/2021 15:08:42 11 1
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There must be a clause saying if you make yourself unavailable for selection for games for which you are contracted then you forfeit some payment.
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07/03/2021 15:09:23 2 0
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This is crazy, Test cricket as the highest form of the game has to be the priority and totally respected. If we continue to treat is as some football managers treat the FA cup and the like, then lets all give up, go home and pass on this great game and its history to those luddites who have the attention spell of a goldfish. This could be the REAL ashes moment.
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07/03/2021 15:04:49 68 3
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You pick your best available eleven based on the wicket, period.

In the last test we only had four front line bowlers. You can't seriously expect to beat India away from home on that basis.
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07/03/2021 15:09:51 21 2
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Are you implying the DB is a frontline bowler? It reduces the number to the frontliners.
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07/03/2021 17:22:50 2 3
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You mean Bess who took 17 wickets at 22.41 in the Sri Lanka series and the first India Test, until the clowns dropped him that is.
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07/03/2021 22:46:41 1 2
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He was before being shamefully dropped. Look at this record in the 3 tests prior.
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07/03/2021 15:02:47 8 1
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That's what they used to say to the players who did a shift down the pit then play a match in the afternoon. I think Harold Larwood was still pretty quick
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07/03/2021 15:09:52 4 2
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How many tests/yrs did he last.
Compared with Jimmy and Broad?
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07/03/2021 15:04:49 68 3
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You pick your best available eleven based on the wicket, period.

In the last test we only had four front line bowlers. You can't seriously expect to beat India away from home on that basis.
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07/03/2021 15:11:22 16 1
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We had others available e.g Woakes just didn't pick em that's nothing to do with rotation that was just p*** poor selection
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07/03/2021 15:11:35 175 1
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Will there be any need for a rest if matches only last two or three days?
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08/03/2021 09:04:20 18 0
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For sale, English cricket bats.......Hardly used.
37
07/03/2021 14:59:54 4 1
bbc
Ouch Dreadlock, that hurts ... lol.
Maksi will not take kindly to your comment about the Yorkshireman.
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07/03/2021 15:12:07 4 0
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He will be delighted to have such a wonderful cricketer playing for his beloved county
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07/03/2021 15:12:27 18 3
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Sack him now if that what he thinks!
56
07/03/2021 15:16:12 1 18
bbc
Why? They rotate in other sports so why not in cricket ???
359
07/03/2021 19:02:06 2 0
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Please sack him after Indian series in summer, I hope he rests top players during the series so its easy for ????.. Fingers crossed ??
55
07/03/2021 15:12:27 18 3
bbc
Sack him now if that what he thinks!
56
07/03/2021 15:16:12 1 18
bbc
Why? They rotate in other sports so why not in cricket ???
60
07/03/2021 15:18:46 10 1
bbc
Never played cricket then?
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07/03/2021 19:04:09 4 0
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Yes they do it in the football FA Cup and as a result the competition has been totally devalued. Also look at the audience for the final nowadays. Dad's Army repeats gets more.
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Ed
07/03/2021 15:16:46 18 1
bbc
Obviously the IPL and the T20 series are more important then Test Cricket
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07/03/2021 15:05:51 3 2
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Im with you Dunc. This stinks of Ashley Giles and Andrew Strauss if you ask me
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07/03/2021 15:16:49 4 1
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Last winter when he came in during or before the SA Tour I was and still supportive of what and how he has built up.

Especially over the summer too with the New lads coming in.

Saw the Team ethos growing and yes I know keep on about the Team Ethos but it was there ...

Then suddenly we gone back to the Bayliss era it seems.
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07/03/2021 15:42:47 1 1
bbc
But is it Ecb going over the top with a duty of care attitude.
One thing was central contracts were brought in to obtain a cricket England ethos rather than a county player who turns up to play for England.
The rise of franchise cricket imo has blown this out of the water players now are all over the world not just county/country anymore
Is it the players demanding rest periods in the background.
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07/03/2021 15:17:56 50 0
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I'm more worried about the lack of consistancy/pitch reading/ in the selection of wjo is available for whatever reason.
4 seamers one test on a pitch that turned square on day one.
Then 7 batsmen the next test and a bowler who being kind lacks confidence.
79
07/03/2021 15:31:14 48 1
bbc
Spot on, rotation works it's football. Cricket coaches using rotation is completely laughable. This year is a WC year, India n Sri Lanka visit these shores. Already their talking Ashes. Yet don't even know whose their best top six batsmen!!!! Utter madness, reflects a very disoriented leadership group
56
07/03/2021 15:16:12 1 18
bbc
Why? They rotate in other sports so why not in cricket ???
60
07/03/2021 15:18:46 10 1
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Never played cricket then?
78
07/03/2021 15:29:21 3 0
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Just likes ?? I think.
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07/03/2021 15:37:21 4 5
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Sure I’ve played cricket ?? plenty of years. Having a break is healthy and refreshes the body and mind. Did you see how shattered Ben Stokes looked in the final test? In Australia they play 6 test matches in the soaring heat. I think rotation will be the new thing personally ????
37
07/03/2021 14:59:54 4 1
bbc
Ouch Dreadlock, that hurts ... lol.
Maksi will not take kindly to your comment about the Yorkshireman.
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07/03/2021 15:20:06 1 1
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Lol .

He was ready to drive him back to Somerset as well ...

Yes could say he has been thrown in at the deep end with no arm bands and cannot swim.

He has just about kept his head above though but needs nurturing to become smoother and fluent in his bowling which comes down to Experience, Practice , Game Time , Support and Self Confidence.
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07/03/2021 15:20:23 2 1
bbc
Flying the white flag already it sounds to me and I suggest the wrong head coach put into place - again from an inside perspective of the squad and surroundings and a Yorkshire ex player with a current Yorkshire player suggests the closeness of the two - great batsman but never captain material- you're best player doesn't mean he's the captain and need to shake this up but won't happen
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07/03/2021 15:21:23 4 0
bbc
In what way has it worked?

It started with talk of Anderson not burning out before the Ashes. In which case he should not have gone on the winter tours.
Then Covid came knocking and it made more sense to pick a smaller more consistent squad for health reasons.
Instead they have taken it to heart and think it works. Sums up the ECB and management.
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07/03/2021 15:23:41 2 2
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IPL - Glorified club game - 6s and 4s. Too much control for India. test cricket is the game not this turgid stuff.
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07/03/2021 15:24:46 4 0
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Is there some other, more important, tournament we'll be preparing for after the Ashes?
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07/03/2021 15:25:35 13 1
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What a stupid suggestion

First football and now cricket

They have killed the games we all grew up with
How much is this idiot being paid to come up with this nonsense. Not like they've been spending a year on shift in an ICU fighting Covid. Time to get a grip. They are coddled highly paid people playing a fairly unimportant game. I'm sure many would like to be in their position. Removed
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07/03/2021 15:25:39 0 0
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m
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07/03/2021 14:50:19 5 2
bbc
The medical staff would say if you leave it till players feel tired they are more likely to get injured and then you lose them for months.
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07/03/2021 15:26:09 3 2
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It's mind blowing most of them hardly play for their County, some have 10 tests per County game, it's a hard life. I'll take a week off, I think I'm getting tired by trying too hard!
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07/03/2021 15:26:12 28 3
bbc
Sorry folks, but I think there's only one way back from here. Dump the central contracts, send all the players back to their counties, get some match practice in, batting and bowling and then select your match day test squad on the basis of their performances during the summer. If the only stage that newcomers are to perform on is the Test one, and they fail, their confidence is shot...for good!
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07/03/2021 15:35:08 15 1
bbc
Three loud cheers for the voice of common sense. You are spot on, sir !
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07/03/2021 15:26:31 5 1
bbc
How about rotating the coach?
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07/03/2021 15:34:39 0 0
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Good idea!
Then they can park the bus.
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07/03/2021 14:31:45 16 0
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Q - What is the difference between rested, rotated & dropped (according to ECB, Ed Smith & Silverwood)?
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07/03/2021 15:26:46 11 0
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Chris Woakes has been pretty much rested, rotated and dropped.
Now suffering from weak muscles, dizziness and concussion.
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07/03/2021 16:11:20 10 0
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Lol, Billy.
I really do feel that Woakes has been treated rather shabbily by the ECB.
Not a single game on that tour.
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07/03/2021 15:27:04 1 3
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Sack Giles Silverwood and Ed Smith.Bring back Strauss and Alex Stewart as coach
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07/03/2021 16:29:49 0 1
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I don't rate Giles, but Strauss is worse.... not sure who is really up to the job though.
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07/03/2021 15:27:06 3 0
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Cricket is more than the ashes. That’s their issue
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Sam
07/03/2021 15:56:15 1 0
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It is.
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07/03/2021 15:27:19 42 3
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If this chump really believes this he should be nowhere near coaching the England side. It failed dramatically. There should have been a Test squad & then an ODI squad. Foakes could have kept in both series, Archer could have missed the Test leg as he would only have bowled a minimal number of overs, if Bairstow had remained he may actually have a Test career to look forward to as it is well......
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07/03/2021 16:32:50 24 2
bbc
I really don't understand that Bairstow thing. First he isn't given a full contract and is allowed to sign with Melbourne in the BB. Then he gets called up for Sri Lanka and the last two India tests. That was known from the start. If t was because he could play spin which he showed in Sri Lanka why leave him out for ANY India game? Boycott knows him well and says he was desperate to stay.
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07/03/2021 17:19:37 5 4
bbc
I don't get the arguments around Bairstow that people have ben coming up with. He didn't even score a fifty in Sri Lanka so I doubt he would have scored any runs even if he hadn't been rested. I would rather they stick with Crawley/Lawrence at number 3 who only play test cricket at the moment.
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07/03/2021 15:04:49 68 3
bbc
You pick your best available eleven based on the wicket, period.

In the last test we only had four front line bowlers. You can't seriously expect to beat India away from home on that basis.
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07/03/2021 15:27:42 5 0
bbc
One of which barely bowled and another with no confidence.
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GWL
07/03/2021 15:28:29 4 1
bbc
It's not cricket they need a rest from. It is the pressure of bubble living and their mental health that is being looked after by the rotation policy. In recent years there have been a number of successful cricketers who have developed stress related problems . Not being able to go home to your nearest and dearest is hard for some to deal with. ECB have a duty of care for their players.
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07/03/2021 15:33:27 1 0
bbc
Agree but see my post above they could do it better.
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07/03/2021 15:34:15 3 1
bbc
These players chose to play cricket and sign the Contract so they knew what they expected. Plus their families too knew sacrifice and time apart would come for them to play and represent their County and Country.

If that bothered about it do not play Franchise Cricket around the Globe.

You apply for a job you know what you are letting yourself in for hence why you took the job.
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bnc
07/03/2021 17:12:20 1 0
bbc
So why is Ali in another bubble for the ipl starting in April.
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07/03/2021 15:28:54 21 1
bbc
If you are going to rest/rotate then I think you should do it for a whole block of either test/odi or t20 games.
Don't pick those people you want to rest for those squads.
Or is that too simple
What hasn't worked IMHO is sending people home or bringing in the middle of a series
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07/03/2021 15:18:46 10 1
bbc
Never played cricket then?
78
07/03/2021 15:29:21 3 0
bbc
Just likes ?? I think.
59
07/03/2021 15:17:56 50 0
bbc
I'm more worried about the lack of consistancy/pitch reading/ in the selection of wjo is available for whatever reason.
4 seamers one test on a pitch that turned square on day one.
Then 7 batsmen the next test and a bowler who being kind lacks confidence.
79
07/03/2021 15:31:14 48 1
bbc
Spot on, rotation works it's football. Cricket coaches using rotation is completely laughable. This year is a WC year, India n Sri Lanka visit these shores. Already their talking Ashes. Yet don't even know whose their best top six batsmen!!!! Utter madness, reflects a very disoriented leadership group
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GWL
07/03/2021 15:28:29 4 1
bbc
It's not cricket they need a rest from. It is the pressure of bubble living and their mental health that is being looked after by the rotation policy. In recent years there have been a number of successful cricketers who have developed stress related problems . Not being able to go home to your nearest and dearest is hard for some to deal with. ECB have a duty of care for their players.
80
07/03/2021 15:33:27 1 0
bbc
Agree but see my post above they could do it better.
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GWL
07/03/2021 15:28:29 4 1
bbc
It's not cricket they need a rest from. It is the pressure of bubble living and their mental health that is being looked after by the rotation policy. In recent years there have been a number of successful cricketers who have developed stress related problems . Not being able to go home to your nearest and dearest is hard for some to deal with. ECB have a duty of care for their players.
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07/03/2021 15:34:15 3 1
bbc
These players chose to play cricket and sign the Contract so they knew what they expected. Plus their families too knew sacrifice and time apart would come for them to play and represent their County and Country.

If that bothered about it do not play Franchise Cricket around the Globe.

You apply for a job you know what you are letting yourself in for hence why you took the job.
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07/03/2021 15:36:41 2 1
bbc
Harsh critical post ... Yes it is but that's life.

As always Worcs makes valid points too.
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Sam
07/03/2021 15:57:26 1 0
bbc
Except in the last 12 months it wasn't exactly what they signed up for.
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07/03/2021 15:26:31 5 1
bbc
How about rotating the coach?
82
07/03/2021 15:34:39 0 0
bbc
Good idea!
Then they can park the bus.
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07/03/2021 15:35:02 5 3
bbc
This was the time (2021) when Test cricket was officialy de-prioritised to the third rate form of international cricket.
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07/03/2021 15:26:12 28 3
bbc
Sorry folks, but I think there's only one way back from here. Dump the central contracts, send all the players back to their counties, get some match practice in, batting and bowling and then select your match day test squad on the basis of their performances during the summer. If the only stage that newcomers are to perform on is the Test one, and they fail, their confidence is shot...for good!
84
07/03/2021 15:35:08 15 1
bbc
Three loud cheers for the voice of common sense. You are spot on, sir !
85
07/03/2021 15:35:11 1 5
bbc
Sack Giles Silverwood and Ed Smith Bring back Strauss and Alec Stewart as coach
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07/03/2021 15:34:15 3 1
bbc
These players chose to play cricket and sign the Contract so they knew what they expected. Plus their families too knew sacrifice and time apart would come for them to play and represent their County and Country.

If that bothered about it do not play Franchise Cricket around the Globe.

You apply for a job you know what you are letting yourself in for hence why you took the job.
86
07/03/2021 15:36:41 2 1
bbc
Harsh critical post ... Yes it is but that's life.

As always Worcs makes valid points too.
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07/03/2021 15:49:06 1 1
bbc
Restraint of trade and court action spring to mind when you start taking that attitude with people. Anyway just because you have a test contract doesn't mean you will be picked and visa versa.
e. g Moeen bairstow
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07/03/2021 15:36:42 7 0
bbc
Understand rotation thro the Covid period and during a heavy annual schedule. That said, why are they then letting key players play in the IPL (£’s, I know)? Secondly, if we are focused on the Ashes series then surely rotation should be a tool to ensure we have our strongest squad of players fit for the whole of that series! Doubt the Aussies will take that approach.
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07/03/2021 15:18:46 10 1
bbc
Never played cricket then?
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07/03/2021 15:37:21 4 5
bbc
Sure I’ve played cricket ?? plenty of years. Having a break is healthy and refreshes the body and mind. Did you see how shattered Ben Stokes looked in the final test? In Australia they play 6 test matches in the soaring heat. I think rotation will be the new thing personally ????
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07/03/2021 16:12:28 9 0
bbc
Maybe im just old school then, like playing the best wicketkeeper and bowlers for the conditions!
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07/03/2021 15:03:06 3 2
bbc
That is not the way to treat anyone whatever the sport
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07/03/2021 15:37:29 4 0
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What drop them when they don’t perform well enough? Why not?
And this is why this idiot should be nowhere near the England set up, bang average player who has developed into a piss poor coach. Removed
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07/03/2021 14:59:54 4 1
bbc
Ouch Dreadlock, that hurts ... lol.
Maksi will not take kindly to your comment about the Yorkshireman.
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07/03/2021 15:37:59 2 0
bbc
??
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07/03/2021 15:38:06 2 1
bbc
let's get this in a real perspective, We play cricket because we are good enough and we want too We join the Army because we want too so we are in a war hypothetically does that mean I can down my rifle and go home every Wednesday and Thursday Stupid example I know but relevant.
Simple really, SMITH and SILVERWOOD make the decisions. GILES sack em next week
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07/03/2021 15:39:12 22 1
bbc
Thats it ! I've defended the management long enough , if we rest top players during a Ashes series im done with England cricket
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07/03/2021 15:42:33 4 23
bbc
Support your team through thick and thin. Rotation is the new way forward. Having a break refreshes the body and mind ????
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07/03/2021 15:39:13 7 0
bbc
Silverwood has a remarkable poker face
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07/03/2021 15:41:53 1 0
bbc
Getting the excuses in early for a ashes white wash down under!
100
07/03/2021 15:44:39 0 1
bbc
You never know may win Test like we did v India ??.

Mind Games and Psychological warfare it is now.
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07/03/2021 15:42:09 1 0
bbc
This is Club England gone too far. If you are in then it seems you stay in no matter what and with totally flexibility to come and go. If you are out - Vince, Hales and so on - you can't get back. And if you are simply a fine player who hasn't been selected how can you break through? Same is true of team Morgan, the ruler of everything white ball. Strauss or somebody needs to shake this tree.
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07/03/2021 15:48:38 4 0
bbc
If you get 10-15 tests and have a batting average in the mid 20s, like Vince and Hales and others, at what point do you say enough?
93
07/03/2021 15:39:12 22 1
bbc
Thats it ! I've defended the management long enough , if we rest top players during a Ashes series im done with England cricket
97
07/03/2021 15:42:33 4 23
bbc
Support your team through thick and thin. Rotation is the new way forward. Having a break refreshes the body and mind ????
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08/03/2021 00:04:47 1 1
bbc
But losses cricket matches
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07/03/2021 15:16:49 4 1
bbc
Last winter when he came in during or before the SA Tour I was and still supportive of what and how he has built up.

Especially over the summer too with the New lads coming in.

Saw the Team ethos growing and yes I know keep on about the Team Ethos but it was there ...

Then suddenly we gone back to the Bayliss era it seems.
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07/03/2021 15:42:47 1 1
bbc
But is it Ecb going over the top with a duty of care attitude.
One thing was central contracts were brought in to obtain a cricket England ethos rather than a county player who turns up to play for England.
The rise of franchise cricket imo has blown this out of the water players now are all over the world not just county/country anymore
Is it the players demanding rest periods in the background.
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07/03/2021 15:56:14 2 2
bbc
In short ... Yes.

Like rest of society panicking and snowflake culture.

The only we will know how the players feel if one of them is prepared to go Public and say how it is. Then their playing career is over at Country level.
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07/03/2021 15:44:32 1 0
bbc
I do wonder who is coaching this Emgland team. Silverwood isn't exactly a household name. If Thorpe is still batting coach, he needs to get to work asap, because what we have seen in India was a shambles. For years, our batters made average spinners look world beaters. India's are world beaters, so we were bound to struggle but not that badly. I'm a fan of Bairstow, but he was as guilty as any
95
07/03/2021 15:41:53 1 0
bbc
Getting the excuses in early for a ashes white wash down under!
100
07/03/2021 15:44:39 0 1
bbc
You never know may win Test like we did v India ??.

Mind Games and Psychological warfare it is now.
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07/03/2021 16:14:59 1 0
bbc
1 out of 5, still means you lose that silly ?? ??