Covid-19: Is school mask and testing policy flawed?
06/03/2021 | news | health | 969
Will masks and mass testing actually help? Will infection rates go up - and would it matter?
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06/03/2021 12:23:03 37 23
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"Covid-19: Is school mask and testing policy flawed?"

Yes, it is
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06/03/2021 12:35:49 38 18
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Flawed, yes. Useless or damaging, no.
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06/03/2021 14:54:13 2 0
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Care to expand on that?
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06/03/2021 12:24:20 87 53
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Are you saying that mask are in general useless?
You come and follow me on my day to 5 different classrooms and sit for a hour at a time with 30 people without masks!
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06/03/2021 12:47:06 91 42
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The modern BBC are an agenda driven, social engineering monoculture, who now shamefully saturate their various platforms with whatever their view might be.
They think masks are a good thing, so they show people wearing them at every opportunity.
At no point do they acknowledge that the tiny benefit, if any, is more than cancelled out by the way people behave with them in the real world.
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06/03/2021 13:01:00 17 13
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Maybe you're in the wrong job if you are so fearful ?
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06/03/2021 13:15:52 22 8
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The sooner we get rid of masks for good the better. Filthy discarded masks littering the streets not to mention the single use plastic.

I'm surprised they've avoided the Single Use Plastic Tax like straws and shopping bags. Stick a £2 surcharge on single use masks and that might encourage washable ones!
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06/03/2021 15:50:25 4 1
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no one lives for ever.
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06/03/2021 16:02:42 5 2
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It is debatable whether they make a big difference. We weren’t wearing them in the first lockdown as the wearing of masks only came in July, and we actually have had more Covid deaths since mask wearing became compulsory. The problem is that the Covid droplets are much smaller than the holes in a mask and most people don’t wear them correctly and don’t wash them regularly
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06/03/2021 17:36:19 6 2
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of course they are useless. Not a single RCT to prove their effectiveness outside of medical facilities. And kids mix and build natural immunity, which lasts longer than any vaccine. Should never have closed schools - France didn't and other countries didnt. Now gran is protected, open everything up and ban masks as parts of Sweden have done, (citing lack of scientific evidence they work).
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06/03/2021 18:00:27 5 2
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If masks were really good then how do we explain the high rates of positive cases in hospitals, where everyone is wearing them (unless on a ventilator).
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06/03/2021 18:07:11 2 1
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So does that mean you have had covid? If not I think you've proved there's no point in masks.
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06/03/2021 20:17:45 1 0
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I'd happily do so given that in a well ventilated environment and testing with ME wearing a mask if I wanted I would be at lower risk than shopping let alone working in a supermarket.
Swap jobs with a nurse even with "full" PPE. Get yourself a filtered are supply helmet young children and teens present minimal risk unless symptomatic.
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06/03/2021 22:34:47 2 0
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no worries, I am quite unafraid of contracting a virus that statistically will be a dose of mild symptoms, I drive 50 miles a day to and from work, much more chance of serious injury or death.
need to start getting perspective back.
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06/03/2021 22:44:44 0 0
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So long as they're well distanced and the windows open
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07/03/2021 11:19:13 0 0
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Masks are not only effective at reducing projectile droplets containing the transmission-loads of virus, but importantly stop hand to nose/mouth to shared surfaces (and vice-versa) transmission routes. They are also a reminder of the need to change behaviour through the school day. These are things not captured in the design of most mask effectiveness studies.
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06/03/2021 12:24:57 8 7
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The test and obtaining false positives do not out-weigh the negatives so this still has to be a good thing to do. With regards to kids wearing masks in school classrooms during lessons, that is a much harder thing to support.
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06/03/2021 23:35:18 0 0
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The false positives of LF tests without confirmation by a PCR test will be a disaster for working families. LF tests are only of any value in showing who should be tested further by the PCR test. Fine for surge testing in the community.
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06/03/2021 12:26:08 12 14
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Testing schools is a waste of tax payers money. Kids ae not vulnerable and vulnerable teachers vaccinated. Leave it families to decide appropriate risk to their household.
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06/03/2021 12:41:35 6 2
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And on the evidence of that, we had second wave, probably a third wave to come..
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06/03/2021 12:41:38 4 2
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Maybe the people the kids live with are vulnerable. Maybe the teacher is pregnant.
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06/03/2021 12:42:09 4 2
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Just because few kids die doesn't mean they aren't affected in other ways by the virus, nor that they don't spread it.
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07/03/2021 00:00:49 0 0
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Not all vulnerable teachers have been vaccinated and school starts on Monday!
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06/03/2021 12:26:10 11 11
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There is no one action that will defeat Covid and no one action 100% perfect.
Masks help and I see no reason why they should not considered part of school uniform and hence consent not required.
Testing will help and the false positive issue needs to be put into context, worst case 3 in 1,000 i.e 3 in a large secondary. As long as the tested then have a PCR and if all clear, return in a few days.
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06/03/2021 12:34:13 8 3
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I don't know about your idea of a 'large' secondary. There are plenty with over 2000 students. That would mean around 6 false positives for each of which an entire class would have to isolate, not just 3 kids off for a few days, more like 180 kids off for nearly two weeks - in ONE school.
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06/03/2021 13:17:15 1 1
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Our child’s college are not sending pupils for PCR tests to confirm positive tests. Positive flow tests=Isolation. I believe government guidance says PCR tests are recommended after positive flow tests in workplaces but not within education.
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06/03/2021 12:28:17 56 17
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Not all school kids, like their parents, are responsible and well behaved.

I woke up this morning and went on my daily run to discover numerous large graffiti tags, obviously done last night.

Bottom line is this, if parents are ill-disciplined then most likely so are their kids.

Dare I suggest that stab vests are probably more appropriate in some areas..
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06/03/2021 14:57:55 18 5
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"Dare I suggest that stab vests are probably more appropriate in some areas"

Try sending your kid to school wearing a stab vest. They will be told by police to remove it, to avoid making others feel unsafe. Says it all really.
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06/03/2021 20:46:58 2 5
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What a stupid, snobbish and irrelevant comment. We’re you wearing a mask on your run incidentally?
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06/03/2021 20:49:31 1 1
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Consider that the tag artists could well not be school kids.
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06/03/2021 23:50:15 3 0
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Yes !! And Riot Gear for the Teachers !!!!
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07/03/2021 18:38:19 0 0
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Yes Grim you are certainly right about the vests...not around here yet...YET.
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06/03/2021 12:28:30 4 6
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Haven't been able to figure out the policy regarding kids and masks. All the way through the pandemic, they could run around stores etc unmasked as they weren't deemed to spread it, then they were superspreaders still unmasked. Now they go to school and have to wear one.
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06/03/2021 12:28:32 9 18
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More negative news from the BBC ! One goods news story to every 20 depressing pieces of information the media are probably responsible for half the suicides in Britain.
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06/03/2021 12:30:29 7 5
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Please do not shot the messenger!
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06/03/2021 12:48:42 4 1
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Easy answer, don't watch or read the BBC news if that's how you feel.
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06/03/2021 13:01:09 3 0
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Why negative?
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06/03/2021 12:28:43 13 17
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Teachers should be vaccinated along with all front line workers NOW. It's obvious.
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06/03/2021 12:34:52 2 3
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The vulnerable ones have been vaccinated. But if it gets things moving I'm for it.
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06/03/2021 12:39:54 6 1
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Far from obvious, actually. By vaccinating some early, others are delayed, leading to increased deaths. How many extra deaths are you willing to cause?
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07/03/2021 19:37:09 0 0
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Old arguement , AGE and pre mobidity are biggest risk , FACT .......
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06/03/2021 12:29:07 117 39
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"Covid-19: Is school mask and testing policy flawed?"... Yes
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06/03/2021 13:00:51 29 38
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As you exhale masks are quite effective at reducing the distance an aerosol can travel, but in a very short time the moisture evaporates(otherwise the mask would be dripping wet) and if you happen to be symptomatic or pre-symptomatic the virus is then free to drift through and round the mask.
We now know asymptomatic cases are highly unlikely to pass on the virus without extended close proximity.
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06/03/2021 13:02:46 20 11
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Masks may have been politicised because they are the most visible measure but, as the SAGE study suggests, they do very very little to stop the virus.

Better off washing your hands.
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06/03/2021 13:23:33 14 12
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this whole government is flawed
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06/03/2021 13:57:58 9 19
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Testing is just dosh for chums. Masks work in reducing transmission.
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06/03/2021 14:07:48 9 2
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Care to tell us why? I'm on the edge of my seat waiting to hear your explanation based on what I assume is vast experience and of course scientific qualifications.
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06/03/2021 16:18:20 0 0
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the first thing that some 13 year olds will do when another 13 year old puts their mask on, is..
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06/03/2021 12:29:46 21 25
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If you have no symptoms there's no need to get tested. If you've got Covid supposedly with no symptoms then the chances of passing it on to others are low.
The asymptomatic spread isn't 1 in 3 like the government want you to believe.
I've been listening to scientists who aren't sponsored by the government or big pharma.
No test for healthy people
and no masks for kids in schools either
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06/03/2021 12:44:13 3 6
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Dr Fakebook presumably. Now why would this government, which couldn't even control the borders, want to make things more difficult and costly for themselves?
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06/03/2021 23:53:47 1 0
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If asymptomatic sufferers did not pass on the virus we would have beaten it long ago.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
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Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:37:28 17 4
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You forget Jeremy Corbyn was the other choice.
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06/03/2021 12:38:42 1 4
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They'll never learn. Too many of them 'changed sides' (like Johnson did) to get something done and still can't see all the damage it's doing. Unfortunately there still isn't an attractive alternative but there's time. Personally I'd be happy with a good Con gov't - certainly not with this one.
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06/03/2021 12:38:58 5 0
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Insulting people's intelligence won't make them change their vote. Conversely it appears you lack a bit of savy.
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06/03/2021 12:38:59 7 4
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Obi wan, you clearly don't remember the appalling mess tony bliar made of this country...
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06/03/2021 12:39:46 4 8
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Worst ever.
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06/03/2021 12:30:23 13 19
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What a farce. We must be in 'herd immunity' with kids by now. Innoculate the teachers, remove the masks and get back to normal now.
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06/03/2021 12:28:32 9 18
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More negative news from the BBC ! One goods news story to every 20 depressing pieces of information the media are probably responsible for half the suicides in Britain.
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06/03/2021 12:30:29 7 5
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Please do not shot the messenger!
Masks have never been shown to be effective in the uncontrolled reality of normal life. Every country that has had a mask mandate has had no impact on cases. Fine in an operating theatre, pointless around the shops. Thumb me down all you like, but I’m afraid it is true. Removed
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06/03/2021 12:32:52 23 21
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Just use logic it will help you so much in your life.
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06/03/2021 12:55:27 13 2
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Masks may have a worthwhile benefit in certain situations - such as public transport - but to far too many people they've just become a talisman. Something to cling to in the belief it must keep you safe regardless. In reality, I'd prefer to avoid the crowded situations where one would make any difference at all.
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06/03/2021 13:08:04 9 2
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The Government’s “Pandemic Preparedness Strategy” acknowledged that “although there is a perception that the wearing of facemasks by the public in the community and household setting may be beneficial, there is in fact very little evidence of widespread benefit from their use…”
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06/03/2021 13:10:38 7 6
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Unfortunately your belief simply isn't true.

Masks reduce transmission, by protecting others from the wearer.

They're not magic, nor a complete solution. They're just one of the measures that help.

Whether they should be used in the classroom is another matter entirely. The point being that the group is in such close contact for so long that the effects of masks are largely negated.
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06/03/2021 13:11:21 11 6
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The mask obsession is tiresome. It’s a tokenism, bordering on pointless wearing them outside like some do. Not long now til the madness is meant to end though. They’ll be some who’ll wear them all the time now - brainwashed and cowered by the sensationalism surrounding this virus.
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06/03/2021 13:30:47 5 2
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Boris said himself that the law making masks mandatory in shops was to give people confidence to go shopping as a measure to kick-start the economy.

The science behind masks is tenuous at best (see the linked SAGE study).
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06/03/2021 13:47:11 4 3
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Exactly. If they worked so well then why did we just see the biggest ever spike in cases? Many times bigger than pre-mask culture. Granted more testing, but come on a braindead squirrel can see they're nothing more than a gimmick. What saddens me is people ENJOY wearing masks and have some fetish about it.
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06/03/2021 14:49:31 0 3
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I agree and if masks don't work what will the Government force through next. Compulsory vaccination of school children? How do feel about that?
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06/03/2021 12:32:26 2 9
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A new UK variant of the virus became dominant.
That is worrying indeed.
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06/03/2021 12:41:40 2 0
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Along with the other 11,699 variants
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06/03/2021 12:32:28 25 22
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What you need in situations like this is trust in government. Johnson is a proven liar & he's just been reprimanded for lying again.

'The PM had claimed that the covid contracts were “there on the record for everybody to see”.

But a final order handed down by the High Court on Friday said the government had in fact only published “608 out of 708 relevant contracts”.'
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06/03/2021 12:41:43 7 8
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And you'd think they were beyond embarrassment by now but obviously not. Johnson's government gives even the Cons a bad name!

Still, they'll get support from the 'get it done' mob (down to 25% now).
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06/03/2021 12:45:21 5 2
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When someone tells as many lies as he does, you don't know when he is telling the truth.
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06/03/2021 12:47:43 1 7
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Stop calling people liars how long is your own nose.
I find it hard to imagine that anyone is looking at Johnson, sunak,patel, Hancock and Williamson and feeling like they weren’t duped into backing the most incompetent, deceitful and corrupt government of all time.

This isn’t a strategy but a headline with the details provided much later if ever.
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06/03/2021 12:36:19 3 1
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The guy that's currently running it was duped into running it? Corruot and deceitful? I'd say it's was his choice that it remains that way and you're an apologist for saying they were duped.
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06/03/2021 12:32:35 34 32
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Of course it's flawed. Deeply flawed. It was dreamed up by the conmen in Westminster.
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06/03/2021 12:37:36 20 37
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That's not the issue... sending all pupils back to school to start the next infection wave is what is truly flawed..
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06/03/2021 12:46:40 3 4
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Nonsense as usual if you have nothing constructive to say best keep quiet there's a good 1cey go climb up a spout somewhere.
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06/03/2021 13:15:10 3 0
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What the medical experts?
Masks have never been shown to be effective in the uncontrolled reality of normal life. Every country that has had a mask mandate has had no impact on cases. Fine in an operating theatre, pointless around the shops. Thumb me down all you like, but I’m afraid it is true. Removed
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06/03/2021 12:32:52 23 21
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Just use logic it will help you so much in your life.
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06/03/2021 12:37:06 7 8
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The clowns told us masks would put us at greater risk, remember? How can anyone be expected to trust them when they tell people to wear them?
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06/03/2021 12:26:10 11 11
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There is no one action that will defeat Covid and no one action 100% perfect.
Masks help and I see no reason why they should not considered part of school uniform and hence consent not required.
Testing will help and the false positive issue needs to be put into context, worst case 3 in 1,000 i.e 3 in a large secondary. As long as the tested then have a PCR and if all clear, return in a few days.
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06/03/2021 12:34:13 8 3
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I don't know about your idea of a 'large' secondary. There are plenty with over 2000 students. That would mean around 6 false positives for each of which an entire class would have to isolate, not just 3 kids off for a few days, more like 180 kids off for nearly two weeks - in ONE school.
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06/03/2021 12:28:43 13 17
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Teachers should be vaccinated along with all front line workers NOW. It's obvious.
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06/03/2021 12:34:52 2 3
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The vulnerable ones have been vaccinated. But if it gets things moving I'm for it.
Bbc deleted my comment saying this is winged strategy thrown together for headlines but is devoid of details before it even appeared!

Hys, but only if our Tory supporting mod agrees. I will appeal and I will get a reply saying it’s been re-added on Wednesday, but laughable as usual
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06/03/2021 12:45:38 1 0
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Laughable is your rhetoric nonsense is what you spout.
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06/03/2021 12:23:03 37 23
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"Covid-19: Is school mask and testing policy flawed?"

Yes, it is
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06/03/2021 12:35:49 38 18
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Flawed, yes. Useless or damaging, no.
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06/03/2021 13:55:04 3 17
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So you don't think instilling a mask culture into children is damaging? You're happy to see a generations mental health decline and for them to be scared to live their lives with their birth faces out?
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06/03/2021 12:35:58 15 15
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I gather we have already brought millions these unreliable lateral test kits which maybe why the government wants to use them rather than the more reliable antigen type.

Masks are still an issue. Personally I'd prefer the clear visor type. They are more comfortable if you wear them for long periods and don't impede your voice as much as over the mouth types.
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06/03/2021 13:26:03 7 3
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Unfortunately a head visor, worn on it's own without some form of nose and mouth covering such as a mask, is next to useless.
I find it hard to imagine that anyone is looking at Johnson, sunak,patel, Hancock and Williamson and feeling like they weren’t duped into backing the most incompetent, deceitful and corrupt government of all time.

This isn’t a strategy but a headline with the details provided much later if ever.
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06/03/2021 12:36:19 3 1
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The guy that's currently running it was duped into running it? Corruot and deceitful? I'd say it's was his choice that it remains that way and you're an apologist for saying they were duped.
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06/03/2021 12:36:22 35 13
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Seems like the sensible thing to do. False positives are only 1-3 in a 1000. Very small percentage. Too many doom mongerers around. Let’s keep doing the vaccinations.
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06/03/2021 12:44:44 12 4
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Hooray someone who talks sense.
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Now that the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated and shielded by the whole nation locking down at a cost of trillions it's time to stop persecuting the young and healthy for being....... well young and healthy.

If you have no symptoms and all who should be are vaccinated then fine go out and enjoy yourself and get back to normal for gods sake.
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06/03/2021 12:42:16 12 17
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You just might have the virus and not know it so go out and enjoy yourself and spread the virus onto people that haven't been vaccinatrd
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06/03/2021 12:43:27 10 9
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And it's exactly that attitude and jumping the gun that leads to idiots breaking the rules AGAIN.

I've been shielding a year, have so far had my one vax and won't be safe until early May when my 2nd vax will be effective.

But Covidiots you get back to 'normal' in your usual me, me, me selfish fashion.

I won't be to blame if this gets out of control again.

Shameful. Shame. Shame.
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06/03/2021 12:44:17 6 3
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Cuckoo lander wow this board is full of them.
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06/03/2021 12:50:42 7 7
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Completely agree, if the vaccines work then I don’t know why we need all the measures still. Where I live they are doing under 65s already so that’s the bulk of the vulnerable with a small number of exception who can stay in and shield
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06/03/2021 13:02:10 5 1
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Vast majority of the people in the ranges you have included have only had half the vaccine so far. The vaccines only prevent serious illness and hospitalisation for most and a certain number will still die. Until the world is vaccinated and the infection rate is small we are going to have to continue to take precautions and slightly alter the way we live.
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06/03/2021 12:32:52 23 21
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Just use logic it will help you so much in your life.
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06/03/2021 12:37:06 7 8
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The clowns told us masks would put us at greater risk, remember? How can anyone be expected to trust them when they tell people to wear them?
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06/03/2021 12:40:38 7 7
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They only said that as they hadn't stock piled any for nhs so believed with they would all run out.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
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Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:37:28 17 4
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You forget Jeremy Corbyn was the other choice.
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06/03/2021 12:42:13 1 5
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No! failing companies remove CEOs all the time tories need to remove the clown: everyone knows it
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06/03/2021 12:59:43 1 2
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And that was a problem why?
Bet you cannot/will not answer.
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06/03/2021 12:32:35 34 32
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Of course it's flawed. Deeply flawed. It was dreamed up by the conmen in Westminster.
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06/03/2021 12:37:36 20 37
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That's not the issue... sending all pupils back to school to start the next infection wave is what is truly flawed..
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06/03/2021 13:57:28 4 1
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Even though there's an abundance of evidence to suggest infections among school kids is near the very bottom of the 'league table' and the majority come from supermarkets and restaurants (did someone say Eat out to Help Out)... I suggest you read some scientific studies and educate yourself.
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06/03/2021 14:19:57 1 0
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Other countries are happy to do it..........
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06/03/2021 14:38:45 3 1
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School's didn't casue the infection waves
So why would they this time probably atmost see 5% increase
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06/03/2021 14:39:11 0 8
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"Waves" occur because it is impossible to stem an epidemic of this nature. They result from efforts to slow spread. Meanwhile, people at high risk kept in isolation have suffered misery for many months. The longer they remain isolated the greater chance defences are breached. Hastily introduced vaccines have negligible influence on this outbreak. Properly evaluated, they may have future role.
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06/03/2021 15:03:37 4 0
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There probably will be an increase in positive tests however what matters now is that hospitalisations continue down as the vaccine rollout continues.
Then on the other hand people are rushing to book pubs and holidays. The vaccine will not prevent someone importing new variant but it appears a holiday is more important than education.
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06/03/2021 12:38:33 17 23
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I think making a child to sit in a face muzzle all day, 5 days a week and expect them to concentrate at the same time is nothing short of child abuse.
What abject nonsense talk sense or shut up. Removed
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06/03/2021 12:49:32 1 0
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I agree bill, but not with you Bill
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06/03/2021 13:05:25 3 2
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It's no different from wearing socks.

And, yet, you don't get wallys calling socks "foot muzzles" or trying to insist that someone somehow won't be able to concentrate if they wear socks. Funny that, its almost as if they just want attention.
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06/03/2021 12:38:37 92 31
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Touching, putting in the pocket, putting it back on again. Disposing it of onto the pavement , bushes. Animals get entangled, trapped , running around with masks on . Foxes, squirrels, wood pigeons. Animals do suffer. Planet suffers. We are the virus to these being. We. The human beings as we are unable to live in harmony with our fellow animal creatures. We should never use disposable masks
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06/03/2021 13:35:42 20 42
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I wish you well living in 'harmony' with Covid 19.
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06/03/2021 14:51:41 12 1
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All the issues around what people do with the masks are nothing to do with their effectiveness. We have been in this now for well over a year and if people are still unable to wear masks properly and sanitise hands regularly then where do we go?

This is all about responsibility, something that is increasingly missing from society.
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06/03/2021 19:38:08 2 0
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If only bats had worn their masks earlier we wouldn’t be in this mess.
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06/03/2021 20:04:41 0 0
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And a lot of other things.
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06/03/2021 21:51:18 1 0
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So wear a washable one. And wash it.
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06/03/2021 23:34:06 2 0
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No. Nothing wrong with disposable masks. The problem is the people who drop them. Litter dropping in this country is appalling, because it largely goes unpunished and people are not afraid to do it. In Canada you never see litter. It IS always punished so people don't do it.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
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Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:38:42 1 4
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They'll never learn. Too many of them 'changed sides' (like Johnson did) to get something done and still can't see all the damage it's doing. Unfortunately there still isn't an attractive alternative but there's time. Personally I'd be happy with a good Con gov't - certainly not with this one.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
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Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:38:58 5 0
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Insulting people's intelligence won't make them change their vote. Conversely it appears you lack a bit of savy.
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06/03/2021 12:56:35 1 2
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How do tory supporters justify supporting the clown and his cabinet of fools, to themselves? Sometimes you just have to cut through the waffle and be direct.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
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Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:38:59 7 4
bbc
Obi wan, you clearly don't remember the appalling mess tony bliar made of this country...
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06/03/2021 12:57:39 1 1
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I am not arguing for a Labour gov just a massively better tory leadership team.
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06/03/2021 13:00:44 2 1
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What mess?
Please do explain clearly and concisely how.
I suggest you cannot/will not or have evidence to prove your assertion.
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06/03/2021 12:39:14 9 15
bbc
Of course it's flawed, everything this shower in power do is flawed
57
06/03/2021 12:43:09 7 5
bbc
Really methinks the flaw is in you yourself not being able to see past the end of your nose.
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06/03/2021 12:52:53 3 1
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You are being far too generous to Boris and co. they are retarded as ought to be obvious to everyone by now. Sadly so is a large percentage of the population!
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06/03/2021 12:39:20 12 24
bbc
They don't have the right to treat our children like this - and it's indoctrinating them to accept all the things my grandparents fought against and spent a lifetime bringing others up to resist.
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06/03/2021 12:42:36 18 8
bbc
Really what absolute tosh.
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06/03/2021 12:42:41 8 2
bbc
What on earth are you talking about. Their grandparents fought against taking the correct steps to prevent unnecessary deaths, did they??
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06/03/2021 13:05:09 4 0
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Did your parents really fight against protecting society from disease.
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06/03/2021 12:39:23 7 10
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I've been involved with discussions on school policy on this. Of the two - testing is of most benefit (despite few false positives) as it helps reduce the anxiety if all there clear. Must have high consent though. Masks on eleven year olds to 14 (Y7 to 10) of hardly any benefit (badly worn etc.) and very negative to education process=catch up slower.

Kids need normality in classrooms now.
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06/03/2021 12:49:45 3 4
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"Few" false positives? At current infection rates, we're talking about more of the positive test results being due to false positives - as the graph makes clear!

Lateral flow tests may have benefits when case rates are high - but at low infection levels the inaccuracy makes them hardly worth the effort.
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06/03/2021 12:30:15 12 18
bbc
Uk's worst gov in recent times. Clown + cabinet idiots have not given the schools enough time to prepare. When will the tory supporters see they are backing fools? Only a fool follows a fool.
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06/03/2021 12:39:46 4 8
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Worst ever.
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06/03/2021 12:28:43 13 17
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Teachers should be vaccinated along with all front line workers NOW. It's obvious.
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06/03/2021 12:39:54 6 1
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Far from obvious, actually. By vaccinating some early, others are delayed, leading to increased deaths. How many extra deaths are you willing to cause?
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07/03/2021 00:24:07 0 1
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Not all vulnerable school staff have been vaccinated yet schools open Monday. I wonder if this will lead to increased deaths or long-Covid symptoms potentially for some staff members!
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06/03/2021 12:37:06 7 8
bbc
The clowns told us masks would put us at greater risk, remember? How can anyone be expected to trust them when they tell people to wear them?
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06/03/2021 12:40:38 7 7
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They only said that as they hadn't stock piled any for nhs so believed with they would all run out.
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jay
06/03/2021 12:41:23 43 32
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School letter ...” most testing will be completed by 11:30 am ,

Half the day gone , I get it but this truly will be the lost generation
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06/03/2021 12:51:46 25 8
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Having just been allowed first visits to a care home who are also using these tests before entry to the building, with the tests being done by trained nurses, I think the school is being very optimistic in their thinking. It took just over an hour to get three tests done, including all the paperwork that goes with it and registering the results on the Government’s website.
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06/03/2021 13:00:28 6 0
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My daughters school is going to take all week, eldest pupils tested first down to youngest on Friday 12th, after testing they are to return home until next day, so it will Monday 15th return for a few hundred children
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06/03/2021 15:55:37 7 0
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Which is why after the initial tests, students will perform them at home, in the evening, so no school time is lost. It will have minimal effect after the inschool tests are completed. And 'half a day' is better than weeks more at home.
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06/03/2021 16:25:24 2 2
bbc
They are a lost generation anyway. With lack of discipline and Micky Mouse qualifications, a lot of young people are going to have an almighty shock when they reach the real world!
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06/03/2021 18:07:42 2 0
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Yes i know i had this exact conversation earlier, by the time the kids have been tested in each class. it would have eaten 2-3 hours into that days teaching .... far better to continue home schooling, this is going to be one big mess ! Or employ separate people to carry out the testing - so the teachers can do what they are paid to do - TEACH, and testers can test - it isn't rocket science!
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06/03/2021 12:26:08 12 14
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Testing schools is a waste of tax payers money. Kids ae not vulnerable and vulnerable teachers vaccinated. Leave it families to decide appropriate risk to their household.
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06/03/2021 12:41:35 6 2
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And on the evidence of that, we had second wave, probably a third wave to come..
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06/03/2021 12:26:08 12 14
bbc
Testing schools is a waste of tax payers money. Kids ae not vulnerable and vulnerable teachers vaccinated. Leave it families to decide appropriate risk to their household.
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06/03/2021 12:41:38 4 2
bbc
Maybe the people the kids live with are vulnerable. Maybe the teacher is pregnant.
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06/03/2021 12:32:28 25 22
bbc
What you need in situations like this is trust in government. Johnson is a proven liar & he's just been reprimanded for lying again.

'The PM had claimed that the covid contracts were “there on the record for everybody to see”.

But a final order handed down by the High Court on Friday said the government had in fact only published “608 out of 708 relevant contracts”.'
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06/03/2021 12:41:43 7 8
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And you'd think they were beyond embarrassment by now but obviously not. Johnson's government gives even the Cons a bad name!

Still, they'll get support from the 'get it done' mob (down to 25% now).
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06/03/2021 12:40:02 19 12
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12:28bobin

Teachers should be vaccinated along with all front line workers NOW. It's obvious.
Funny how teachers are 70% down the list of most vulnerable professions produced from data from 90m tests. Please explain why they should jump the q ahead of the other 69%.
Concentrating on professions will only slow things down
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06/03/2021 14:40:56 5 4
bbc
Exactly if anyone should be done first is supermarket and shop worker's these people have far higher risksethen teacher's
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06/03/2021 15:07:47 1 0
bbc
So if we vaccinate all the teachers now then who is not going to get the vaccine?
The speed that the program is rolling out with age as the most significant risk factor, older teachers will still be vaccinated sooner. We are already in the 56-60 band.
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07/03/2021 00:13:06 1 0
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You forget supermarket staff and shop workers have plastic screens at check out's, one-way systems and see customers for a short amount of time. Teachers are in the same room with 30 students for an hour, approx five times a day. Adults do know how to social distance, teenagers are not always that good at it!
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Rae
07/03/2021 18:54:14 0 0
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An old arguement put to bed by the experts , age is the main risk factor of deaths , move on and accept that teachers will be vaccinated by age group .
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06/03/2021 12:26:08 12 14
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Testing schools is a waste of tax payers money. Kids ae not vulnerable and vulnerable teachers vaccinated. Leave it families to decide appropriate risk to their household.
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06/03/2021 12:42:09 4 2
bbc
Just because few kids die doesn't mean they aren't affected in other ways by the virus, nor that they don't spread it.
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06/03/2021 12:52:51 1 1
bbc
What other ways facts and numbers please? What about the loss of education for the most needy in society? If the vulnerable in society are vaccinated then the risk af spreading to them is negligible. Or at least no woorse than flu?
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06/03/2021 12:37:28 17 4
bbc
You forget Jeremy Corbyn was the other choice.
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06/03/2021 12:42:13 1 5
bbc
No! failing companies remove CEOs all the time tories need to remove the clown: everyone knows it
Now that the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated and shielded by the whole nation locking down at a cost of trillions it's time to stop persecuting the young and healthy for being....... well young and healthy.

If you have no symptoms and all who should be are vaccinated then fine go out and enjoy yourself and get back to normal for gods sake.
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06/03/2021 12:42:16 12 17
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You just might have the virus and not know it so go out and enjoy yourself and spread the virus onto people that haven't been vaccinatrd
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06/03/2021 12:49:00 6 8
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you "might" have lots of things. Lots of things "might" happen. If you spend your life overly worrying about what might happen, then pretty much nothing will happen in your life.
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06/03/2021 13:09:11 0 3
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But nearly all the vulnrrable gave been jabbed
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06/03/2021 12:39:20 12 24
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They don't have the right to treat our children like this - and it's indoctrinating them to accept all the things my grandparents fought against and spent a lifetime bringing others up to resist.
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06/03/2021 12:42:36 18 8
bbc
Really what absolute tosh.
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06/03/2021 12:39:20 12 24
bbc
They don't have the right to treat our children like this - and it's indoctrinating them to accept all the things my grandparents fought against and spent a lifetime bringing others up to resist.
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06/03/2021 12:42:41 8 2
bbc
What on earth are you talking about. Their grandparents fought against taking the correct steps to prevent unnecessary deaths, did they??
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06/03/2021 12:42:43 10 5
bbc
If classrooms were well ventilated then mask wearing may not be required.

For those suggesting masks are ineffective

researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday offered fresh evidence of the importance of face coverings, reporting that mask-wearing mandates were linked to fewer infections with the coronavirus and Covid-19 deaths in counties across the United States
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06/03/2021 12:50:34 4 2
bbc
Wales held back on mandating mask wearing compared to the rest of the UK last year and the rate of infection was no higher than anywhere else at that time.
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06/03/2021 13:03:30 1 2
bbc
Oh tes, temperatures down to -1 or -2 next week and you want the windows open.
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06/03/2021 13:07:37 3 1
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It's a question of degree. Masks may have a benefit in certain situations, but in others any benefit is very, very low, and arguably the risk of contamination may even increase the risk of infection. Unfortunately the argument has got polarised - to either "masks are always good" or "masks have no benefit". Neither of those is fully correct.
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06/03/2021 12:39:14 9 15
bbc
Of course it's flawed, everything this shower in power do is flawed
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06/03/2021 12:43:09 7 5
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Really methinks the flaw is in you yourself not being able to see past the end of your nose.
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06/03/2021 12:53:18 0 2
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Or the flaw with your brain being that you don't use it?
Now that the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated and shielded by the whole nation locking down at a cost of trillions it's time to stop persecuting the young and healthy for being....... well young and healthy.

If you have no symptoms and all who should be are vaccinated then fine go out and enjoy yourself and get back to normal for gods sake.
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06/03/2021 12:43:27 10 9
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And it's exactly that attitude and jumping the gun that leads to idiots breaking the rules AGAIN.

I've been shielding a year, have so far had my one vax and won't be safe until early May when my 2nd vax will be effective.

But Covidiots you get back to 'normal' in your usual me, me, me selfish fashion.

I won't be to blame if this gets out of control again.

Shameful. Shame. Shame.
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06/03/2021 12:59:12 2 5
bbc
You won't be safe in May as new variants 'could' kill you and the vaccines are not 100% effective, so the risk is still there. I'd stay in if were I you until 2032 when the next virus comes out and we start over again.
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06/03/2021 13:14:23 0 2
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The world dosent revolve around you !. Protecting you is destroying the country permanently. No one is that important.
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06/03/2021 12:38:33 17 23
bbc
I think making a child to sit in a face muzzle all day, 5 days a week and expect them to concentrate at the same time is nothing short of child abuse.
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What abject nonsense talk sense or shut up. Removed
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06/03/2021 12:42:43 10 5
bbc
If classrooms were well ventilated then mask wearing may not be required.

For those suggesting masks are ineffective

researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday offered fresh evidence of the importance of face coverings, reporting that mask-wearing mandates were linked to fewer infections with the coronavirus and Covid-19 deaths in counties across the United States
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06/03/2021 12:54:34 1 3
bbc
"The study does not prove cause and effect". Move on or shut the world down forever.
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06/03/2021 12:44:01 12 11
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Bojo Clownface said this about a year ago.."You can't expect people to learn with face coverings"
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06/03/2021 12:50:05 3 4
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If he said it, then who knows if it's true.

Let's listen to the virologists for a change
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06/03/2021 12:44:02 4 13
bbc
Of course it is flawed. It is just pr to excuse opening up free childcare. Popularism with the child dumping parents that the bbc loves to promote whinging about having their own children at home.
Let's hope large numbers never take up a school place again and continue with better education at home with good parents! The6 will be the ones ahead.
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06/03/2021 12:29:46 21 25
bbc
If you have no symptoms there's no need to get tested. If you've got Covid supposedly with no symptoms then the chances of passing it on to others are low.
The asymptomatic spread isn't 1 in 3 like the government want you to believe.
I've been listening to scientists who aren't sponsored by the government or big pharma.
No test for healthy people
and no masks for kids in schools either
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06/03/2021 12:44:13 3 6
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Dr Fakebook presumably. Now why would this government, which couldn't even control the borders, want to make things more difficult and costly for themselves?
Now that the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated and shielded by the whole nation locking down at a cost of trillions it's time to stop persecuting the young and healthy for being....... well young and healthy.

If you have no symptoms and all who should be are vaccinated then fine go out and enjoy yourself and get back to normal for gods sake.
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06/03/2021 12:44:17 6 3
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Cuckoo lander wow this board is full of them.
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06/03/2021 12:36:22 35 13
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Seems like the sensible thing to do. False positives are only 1-3 in a 1000. Very small percentage. Too many doom mongerers around. Let’s keep doing the vaccinations.
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06/03/2021 12:44:44 12 4
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Hooray someone who talks sense.
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RM
06/03/2021 12:32:26 2 9
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A new UK variant of the virus became dominant.
That is worrying indeed.
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06/03/2021 12:41:40 2 0
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Along with the other 11,699 variants
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06/03/2021 12:32:28 25 22
bbc
What you need in situations like this is trust in government. Johnson is a proven liar & he's just been reprimanded for lying again.

'The PM had claimed that the covid contracts were “there on the record for everybody to see”.

But a final order handed down by the High Court on Friday said the government had in fact only published “608 out of 708 relevant contracts”.'
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06/03/2021 12:45:21 5 2
bbc
When someone tells as many lies as he does, you don't know when he is telling the truth.
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06/03/2021 13:25:22 0 1
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Exactly!
Bbc deleted my comment saying this is winged strategy thrown together for headlines but is devoid of details before it even appeared!

Hys, but only if our Tory supporting mod agrees. I will appeal and I will get a reply saying it’s been re-added on Wednesday, but laughable as usual
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06/03/2021 12:45:38 1 0
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Laughable is your rhetoric nonsense is what you spout.
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06/03/2021 12:32:35 34 32
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Of course it's flawed. Deeply flawed. It was dreamed up by the conmen in Westminster.
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06/03/2021 12:46:40 3 4
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Nonsense as usual if you have nothing constructive to say best keep quiet there's a good 1cey go climb up a spout somewhere.
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06/03/2021 13:52:50 0 3
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Oh Bill, touched a wee never there did I? Seems I'm climbing up your spout quite successfully. Go and wave your flag somewhere else.
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06/03/2021 12:46:41 43 10
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I'm not a fan of politicians, but they do make decisions that affect all of us - some good, some bad; indeed, some schools will do better at testing etc. than others. Interestingly, I've just read on this website that a nursing union says nurses will either quit or go on strike over a 1% pay rise, which is a shame, they deserve more. But...the government debt is £2tn - 2 sides of the coin; discuss
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06/03/2021 12:52:42 57 31
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No nurse will quit, more bbc scamming to their agendas. There is a massive surge in people applying for training as nurses as the young have seen the huge pay, pension, and safe secure job, that even gets loads of emoting approval and support from the pathetic part of the public. So schools going back will line up ever more for an over rewarded job.
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06/03/2021 13:16:20 18 5
bbc
I'd like to see nurses get paid more - but in reality shouldn't any extra money go to the huge numbers who have lost their job because of the pandemic? At least nurses have earned full pay throughout the pandemic, with full security of job - a lot haven't been so fortunate.
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06/03/2021 14:19:05 10 8
bbc
If they were planned to receive a 2% rise, they should get it. The government has wasted billions on less worthy things, the contents of the budget, being a good example.
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06/03/2021 16:38:10 5 4
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It looks as though Johnson press briefing room is getting a face-lift costing millions and he is hoping charities will pay for Carrie's decorating ambitions. Different subject I agree but double standards.
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06/03/2021 17:21:56 12 0
bbc
The £2tn debt is not the governments’s it is ours!

High time the word “free” was banned in connection to the provision of public services. The NHS, education and all other government spending has to be paid for by the taxpayer!
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06/03/2021 20:56:02 0 1
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Nurses aren't responsible for the debt as they have worked through the crisis as have many others. Quitting would leave vacancies often leading to the need to employ more agency nurses at greater cost. Rather pay a decent increase to nurses than import nurses with limited English who could best serve their own countries.
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07/03/2021 14:03:32 0 0
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HMRC getting a 13% pay rise
“3% backdated, 5% this year, 5% next”
If true, it makes working for the taxpayer look like a sick joke; they weren’t protected in the beginning, understaffed, lost staff through sickness, lost lives within their teams, and face a back log never before seen
With applications for nursing on the rise, I assume Gov will string them along till they let them go/not interested
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06/03/2021 12:24:20 87 53
bbc
Are you saying that mask are in general useless?
You come and follow me on my day to 5 different classrooms and sit for a hour at a time with 30 people without masks!
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06/03/2021 12:47:06 91 42
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The modern BBC are an agenda driven, social engineering monoculture, who now shamefully saturate their various platforms with whatever their view might be.
They think masks are a good thing, so they show people wearing them at every opportunity.
At no point do they acknowledge that the tiny benefit, if any, is more than cancelled out by the way people behave with them in the real world.
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06/03/2021 13:05:31 14 17
bbc
What a load of tosh.
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06/03/2021 13:12:13 6 7
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I disagree with your assessment in the BBC but your comments on masks are spot on.
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06/03/2021 13:29:20 10 21
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Making your views known in a strident tone do not make them accurate. Your ' tiny benefit' comment has no scientific validity and your suggestion of a BBC monoculture lacks evidence.
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06/03/2021 13:30:09 11 14
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Utter drivel.
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06/03/2021 13:49:49 15 11
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Best description I've heard so far. Well put. Unfortunately mask fanatics will be at your throat for this one, like you've insulted their religion.
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06/03/2021 14:12:00 14 6
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Your remark "The modern BBC are an agenda driven, social engineering monoculture, who now shamefully saturate their various platforms with whatever their view might be"
is an observation that is, unfortunately, painfully true.
Reported. Unsafe, never mind anti-BBC Removed
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06/03/2021 15:19:05 3 6
bbc
If the BBC are pushing mask-wearing and suppressing any doubt about the benefits of it, why have they have they questioned whether the policy is flawed in the headline? And why have they made that point in the body of the article?
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06/03/2021 16:08:25 5 3
bbc
I disagree with you on masks, anything we can do to reduce infection, however small, is a good thing.

But I agree with you about the liberal elite 'woke' pushing BBC!
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06/03/2021 17:32:58 1 0
bbc
Easy for you to say.
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06/03/2021 17:38:25 8 1
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You are right to draw attention to the BBC's unquestioning agenda. Remember Deborah Cohens statement back in July that the decision at the WHO to recommend face masks was due to political lobbying not hard science? Buried that didn't they? Not a SINGLE RCT proves their effectiveness outside of medical facilities in the real world.
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jay
06/03/2021 12:47:29 6 9
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My children are happier at home without a test or a mask ??, we” choose that for the good of there own mental health & wellbeing sorry but that’s not
“ school “
Fine me , do as you will , my 1st job is my child’s teacher I shall continue
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06/03/2021 12:55:56 2 4
bbc
Just remove you child from the school place, many have it was reported last time they tried on forcing children back into school disease gulags. It is your right and your, not the State's, responsibility to educated your child. It will do far better than in any school.
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06/03/2021 12:47:31 6 12
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Testing in school a complete waste of education time and money
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RPH
06/03/2021 12:52:14 5 1
bbc
What a well set out argument; hard to see how anyone could disagree with your evidence. Oh, wait....
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06/03/2021 12:32:28 25 22
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What you need in situations like this is trust in government. Johnson is a proven liar & he's just been reprimanded for lying again.

'The PM had claimed that the covid contracts were “there on the record for everybody to see”.

But a final order handed down by the High Court on Friday said the government had in fact only published “608 out of 708 relevant contracts”.'
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06/03/2021 12:47:43 1 7
bbc
Stop calling people liars how long is your own nose.
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06/03/2021 13:24:59 2 3
bbc
There's something wrong with people who consistently lie & there's something wrong with people who like to be lied to. You should get professional help. I'm serious!
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06/03/2021 12:48:17 4 7
bbc
So the bbc open a hys on if the new plan is flawed.

I have twice answered yes as the government hasn’t provided the details and seem more hell bent on slogan headlines and dates than actually having a coherent plan.

Twice removed for being off topic. More like off agenda
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06/03/2021 12:48:20 91 26
bbc
i would rather have a quick test that can pick up the covid virus rather than none at all, people screaming children have to be in school, ok lets send them to school, people screaming it is not safe, well are we just supposed to sit until the virus is completely eliminated? finding at least 50% of cases or more is better than none, i am a teacher and people need to stop whinging.
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06/03/2021 13:03:01 27 49
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It is ridiculous this virus isn’t going away any time soon. The virus is like a bully and the only way to deal with a bully is to face them head on and try to ignore them.
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Bob
06/03/2021 13:21:36 17 0
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Thank you for some realism.
A test that is 99.7+% selective is actually fantastic.
Sample quality drives quality of result far more than theoretical test accuracy (I used to run clinical chemistry and haematology lab).
The virus does not care about 'fairness' or the 'convenience' of anyone.
We are still in a pandemic and anything we can do to reduce public health risk is good by me.
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06/03/2021 13:51:24 2 17
bbc
And having 50% of people needlessly suffering in isolation is better than none too right? Pathetic.
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06/03/2021 21:55:38 1 2
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Exactly. It is a screening test. It's bit foolproof either way, so we all need to continue to take appropriate measures for the local case rate, and get a follow up PCR test to confirm whether definitely positive. But how many more people will we be able to screen out from transmission chains in schools & workplaces than we were back in September? Lateral flow tests are as important as vaccine.
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Fo
06/03/2021 23:18:55 2 0
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I agree. People are the problem - can’t educate stupid - should have an intelligence tests before allowed to have kids
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07/03/2021 10:38:31 0 1
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It’s the not insignificant number of false positives with lateral flow tests that’s the problem. You and your class may be quarantined unnecessarily. Plus pupils parents may be not able to work.
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06/03/2021 12:28:32 9 18
bbc
More negative news from the BBC ! One goods news story to every 20 depressing pieces of information the media are probably responsible for half the suicides in Britain.
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06/03/2021 12:48:42 4 1
bbc
Easy answer, don't watch or read the BBC news if that's how you feel.
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06/03/2021 12:42:16 12 17
bbc
You just might have the virus and not know it so go out and enjoy yourself and spread the virus onto people that haven't been vaccinatrd
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06/03/2021 12:49:00 6 8
bbc
you "might" have lots of things. Lots of things "might" happen. If you spend your life overly worrying about what might happen, then pretty much nothing will happen in your life.
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06/03/2021 13:10:37 0 2
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Yes agree half fullers will always achieve more and enjoy life more.
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06/03/2021 12:49:15 15 9
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Nick Triggle is the only person at the BBC who writes sensibly about Covid and this is another balanced article.
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06/03/2021 15:04:21 2 4
bbc
It undermines what schools are having to do - relying on parental consent so already on a hiding to nothing!
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06/03/2021 12:49:27 4 11
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Given that Boris and his challenged government never learn lessons that the average chimpanzee would grasp nothing the fools do should surprise anyone. These tests are like Boris - useless.

Shame that a large percentage of the UK population is apparently a step down in intelligence from chimps who would be banned from joining the Tory party as their IQ would be too high .
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06/03/2021 12:38:33 17 23
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I think making a child to sit in a face muzzle all day, 5 days a week and expect them to concentrate at the same time is nothing short of child abuse.
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06/03/2021 12:49:32 1 0
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I agree bill, but not with you Bill
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06/03/2021 12:39:23 7 10
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I've been involved with discussions on school policy on this. Of the two - testing is of most benefit (despite few false positives) as it helps reduce the anxiety if all there clear. Must have high consent though. Masks on eleven year olds to 14 (Y7 to 10) of hardly any benefit (badly worn etc.) and very negative to education process=catch up slower.

Kids need normality in classrooms now.
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06/03/2021 12:49:45 3 4
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"Few" false positives? At current infection rates, we're talking about more of the positive test results being due to false positives - as the graph makes clear!

Lateral flow tests may have benefits when case rates are high - but at low infection levels the inaccuracy makes them hardly worth the effort.
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06/03/2021 12:59:50 1 0
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I am aware about the issue with false positives potentially being greater than real positives. This will not be a hugely useful exercise in disease control as schools mirror community levels rather than driving the change in levels. But we need the schools open - and (as you can see from HYS comments) the range of views is huge. If this helps open the schools then do it.
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06/03/2021 13:04:06 4 0
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We have been testing 150 staff twice a week since Christmas and only seen one false positive which to be honest was a questionable result as it was a broad streak on the T line and we erred on caution.
Not sure the false positives are as high in practice as people suggest.
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06/03/2021 12:44:01 12 11
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Bojo Clownface said this about a year ago.."You can't expect people to learn with face coverings"
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06/03/2021 12:50:05 3 4
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If he said it, then who knows if it's true.

Let's listen to the virologists for a change
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06/03/2021 12:42:43 10 5
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If classrooms were well ventilated then mask wearing may not be required.

For those suggesting masks are ineffective

researchers at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday offered fresh evidence of the importance of face coverings, reporting that mask-wearing mandates were linked to fewer infections with the coronavirus and Covid-19 deaths in counties across the United States
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06/03/2021 12:50:34 4 2
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Wales held back on mandating mask wearing compared to the rest of the UK last year and the rate of infection was no higher than anywhere else at that time.
Now that the elderly and vulnerable have been vaccinated and shielded by the whole nation locking down at a cost of trillions it's time to stop persecuting the young and healthy for being....... well young and healthy.

If you have no symptoms and all who should be are vaccinated then fine go out and enjoy yourself and get back to normal for gods sake.
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06/03/2021 12:50:42 7 7
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Completely agree, if the vaccines work then I don’t know why we need all the measures still. Where I live they are doing under 65s already so that’s the bulk of the vulnerable with a small number of exception who can stay in and shield
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06/03/2021 12:58:47 7 3
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Because the more we allow the virus to spread unchecked through the unvaccinated population, the greater the chance of vaccine-resistant strains developing, rendering the entire vaccine effort far less effective and potentially taking us back to square one.
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06/03/2021 12:51:32 4 7
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'If you tolerate this, then your children will be next...'. Very pertinent song lyrics from over 20 years ago.
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06/03/2021 13:01:16 4 0
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Actually the words were from a Spanish Government Poster showing a dead child and German Bombers overhead during the Spanish Civil War. The MS preachers merely borrowed the phrase
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06/03/2021 12:41:23 43 32
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School letter ...” most testing will be completed by 11:30 am ,

Half the day gone , I get it but this truly will be the lost generation
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06/03/2021 12:51:46 25 8
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Having just been allowed first visits to a care home who are also using these tests before entry to the building, with the tests being done by trained nurses, I think the school is being very optimistic in their thinking. It took just over an hour to get three tests done, including all the paperwork that goes with it and registering the results on the Government’s website.
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06/03/2021 13:00:35 15 5
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It takes literally a couple of minutes to do the swabbing and immerse the swab. The result is available in 30 minutes. That's the important bit. My daughter, a headteacher, set up her school's testing station over the Christmas break and runs a rota to get the testing done - no problem in her eyes. As for "half the day gone".... good grief.
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06/03/2021 13:12:57 5 5
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Care home visiting is not allowed until Monday!
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06/03/2021 15:14:04 2 1
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Your nit supposed to do 3 tests all at the same time. The tests in schools are 2 days apart how can it take over an hour to three tests?
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06/03/2021 15:45:24 8 0
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I have been tested by my school, and the tests take about 3 minutes, with results 30 mins later. It has to be done. It’s the only way to keep students and staff safe, and keep the schools open.
There is no easy answer, and we all have the responsibility to do everything in our power to stop it spreading.
No one is exempt. We all have a job to do. Stop the spread.
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06/03/2021 18:02:03 2 1
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I agree. Having tried a pgce in physics some years ago, I am not convinced that all pupils will have the manual dexterity to provide a good swab.
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Rob
06/03/2021 12:52:04 45 20
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Schoolchildren have parents at home, some of whom are vulnerable (and unvaccinated) to Covid despite being in their 30’s/40’s. Now is the time to throw everything at this disease and get the numbers right down.
Then tracing will be come easier and every positive test can be genetically sequenced. With low levels in the summer, high levels of vaccination will allow us to behave much more normally
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06/03/2021 13:11:34 39 44
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Is it comfy behind that sofa Rob? You'll be there a few more years if you continue with that attitude!

Life is for living; not solely for existing.
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06/03/2021 13:56:08 8 16
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You appear not to understand viruses. Numbers will only ever be down temporarily. To achieve your desired result we'd have to stay in lockdown for the rest of human history...
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06/03/2021 14:15:20 9 12
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By now all those with underlying health issues will had had their first jab. If unvaccinated, it will be their choice, in the majority of cases.
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06/03/2021 16:35:28 1 1
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I agree but has anyone told you how long immunity lasts.
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06/03/2021 12:52:09 9 12
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Can't we just rejoice at the news that they are testing all students this time and wish our Prime Minister well?
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06/03/2021 12:54:27 2 0
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They are not testing all students just those whose parents consent, which in some schools is about 30%
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06/03/2021 12:57:48 2 1
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No!
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06/03/2021 12:59:43 2 1
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perhaps you would like to give the PM some of your money so carrie can do up their flat?
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06/03/2021 12:47:31 6 12
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Testing in school a complete waste of education time and money
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RPH
06/03/2021 12:52:14 5 1
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What a well set out argument; hard to see how anyone could disagree with your evidence. Oh, wait....
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06/03/2021 12:46:41 43 10
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I'm not a fan of politicians, but they do make decisions that affect all of us - some good, some bad; indeed, some schools will do better at testing etc. than others. Interestingly, I've just read on this website that a nursing union says nurses will either quit or go on strike over a 1% pay rise, which is a shame, they deserve more. But...the government debt is £2tn - 2 sides of the coin; discuss
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06/03/2021 12:52:42 57 31
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No nurse will quit, more bbc scamming to their agendas. There is a massive surge in people applying for training as nurses as the young have seen the huge pay, pension, and safe secure job, that even gets loads of emoting approval and support from the pathetic part of the public. So schools going back will line up ever more for an over rewarded job.
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06/03/2021 13:03:36 11 6
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How do YOU KNOW?
Have you asked them personally?
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06/03/2021 16:39:11 3 2
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Wow have you got some inside information. You seem to know more than the nurses themselves.
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06/03/2021 17:59:05 1 1
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Being married to a nurse, I want her out of the sh!tshow the NHS was becoming before covid asap.
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06/03/2021 21:02:38 0 2
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Many are being rejected for nursing in favour of importing from abroad. Sunak has frittered cash away on furloughs for jobs that won't exist, wasted billions on track and trace that doesn't work, plus purchasing and employing Tory cronies. Back to austerity for most.
If he fancies his chances to replace Boris he won't be getting my vote.
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Fo
06/03/2021 23:22:01 3 1
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Exactly right ! Yes a decent pay rise would be great but some people lost there jobs and I can tell you this, the are 1,000’ s yet to lose theirs too.
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07/03/2021 07:17:20 1 1
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The stench of sour grapes permeates this strand. With a strong note of ignorance driving it!
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06/03/2021 12:42:09 4 2
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Just because few kids die doesn't mean they aren't affected in other ways by the virus, nor that they don't spread it.
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06/03/2021 12:52:51 1 1
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What other ways facts and numbers please? What about the loss of education for the most needy in society? If the vulnerable in society are vaccinated then the risk af spreading to them is negligible. Or at least no woorse than flu?
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06/03/2021 12:39:14 9 15
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Of course it's flawed, everything this shower in power do is flawed
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06/03/2021 12:52:53 3 1
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You are being far too generous to Boris and co. they are retarded as ought to be obvious to everyone by now. Sadly so is a large percentage of the population!
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06/03/2021 12:43:09 7 5
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Really methinks the flaw is in you yourself not being able to see past the end of your nose.
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06/03/2021 12:53:18 0 2
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Or the flaw with your brain being that you don't use it?
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06/03/2021 12:53:26 3 9
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It’s not only flawed, it’s nonsense.
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06/03/2021 12:54:19 14 13
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Thanks BBC for your article. After spending weeks preparing volunteers to deliver this and convincing parents to give testing a go you are trying to undermine this at the last minute. Congrats
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06/03/2021 12:56:53 9 5
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It’s not the BBC’s fault lateral flow tests aren’t sensitive to pick up a lot of infections!
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06/03/2021 12:52:09 9 12
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Can't we just rejoice at the news that they are testing all students this time and wish our Prime Minister well?
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06/03/2021 12:54:27 2 0
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They are not testing all students just those whose parents consent, which in some schools is about 30%
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06/03/2021 12:54:34 1 3
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"The study does not prove cause and effect". Move on or shut the world down forever.
Masks have never been shown to be effective in the uncontrolled reality of normal life. Every country that has had a mask mandate has had no impact on cases. Fine in an operating theatre, pointless around the shops. Thumb me down all you like, but I’m afraid it is true. Removed
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06/03/2021 12:55:27 13 2
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Masks may have a worthwhile benefit in certain situations - such as public transport - but to far too many people they've just become a talisman. Something to cling to in the belief it must keep you safe regardless. In reality, I'd prefer to avoid the crowded situations where one would make any difference at all.
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06/03/2021 12:55:30 24 2
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The lateral flow tests are used to pick up asymptomatic infection. If a pupil has no other symptoms then a positive could prevent further infection.
If it is a false positive then a pcr should easily identify if it is covid and appropriate actions taken.
But if all the pupils were tested only one or two false positives should happen per week.
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06/03/2021 17:48:03 6 0
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For the at home tests this makes sense but the policy to ignore any follow up pcr for the in school tests seems unhelpful.